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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28797	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: First post of the New Year....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28798	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: second post of the New Year....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28799	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28800	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28801	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28802	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Keith Kuzma's floor layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28803	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28804	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28805	From: geep39	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Repro parts & paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28806	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28807	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28808	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts & paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28809	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28810	From: larryasp	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28811	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Paints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28812	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts & paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28813	From: starr007	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28814	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28815	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28816	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28818	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Volume VII of S-Gauge Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28819	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28820	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28821	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28822	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28823	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28824	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Can motor and reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28825	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28826	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor and reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Paints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28829	From: editor	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide 2004 Calendar in Posted on our web site (Blata
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28830	From: TCS	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28831	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28832	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28833	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28834	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28835	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28836	From: keefer1	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28837	From: steve	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Parts and paint ... More information and pics too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28838	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28840	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Parts and paint ... More information and pics too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28841	From: TCS	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: correction on set 809
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28842	From: firex43	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: The 497 Saga Continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28843	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28844	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: CHEAPER CARS 1/64th BUT IT'S E-BAY $2.00 ea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28845	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28846	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28847	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28848	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28849	From: larryasp	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28850	From: roy inman	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28851	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28852	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28853	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolutions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28854	From: steve	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28855	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28856	From: Tim	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28857	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2127
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28858	From: starr007	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: whistle controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28859	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28860	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: "Challengers", and beat up hard-to-find equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28861	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28862	From: keefer1	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: paint match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28864	From: William Lange	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Corner modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28865	From: William Lange	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: DCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28866	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28867	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Krispy Kreme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28868	From: TCS	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28869	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Almost too late
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Hallmark's 1948 Panhead Harley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28871	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: yahoo groups message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28872	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: yahoo groups message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28873	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: S Gauge Model Railroading Video Vol.VII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28874	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: yahoo groups message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28875	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Photo Album Tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28876	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28877	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28878	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28879	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28880	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Greenberg Show - North Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28881	From: Tim	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28882	From: runtro	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28883	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28884	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Panhead tree ornament
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28885	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28886	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28887	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28888	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: The GATS show in CA.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28889	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28890	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28891	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28892	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28893	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Video oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28894	From: waldootten	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28895	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Archives--Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28896	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28897	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28898	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28899	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28900	From: waldootten	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28901	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28902	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: THE LCL CORPORATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28903	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28904	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28905	From: rfgiardina	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28906	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Krispy Kreme store photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28907	From: steve	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28908	From: Dan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28909	From: roy inman	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28910	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: PADDING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28912	From: steve	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: the $3.85 thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28913	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: S-Helper Service Kudos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28914	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme store photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28915	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Test of the great bounce machine at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28916	From: philpotridge	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28917	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Yahoo - Try 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28918	From: roy inman	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] PADDING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28919	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Image Expert 2000 images from Album "January 4, 2004"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28920	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Image Expert 2000 images from Album "January 4, 2004"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28921	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Hot-running locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28922	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Car mold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28923	From: philpotridge	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: s scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28924	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Photo of my train room.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28925	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Film at 11!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28926	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28927	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: A good book to get on Gilbert A/F
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28928	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Mike's VWs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28929	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Film at 11!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28930	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Car mold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28931	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Photo of my train room.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28932	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: PADDING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28933	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28934	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Filming trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28935	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28936	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Did some one need ......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28937	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Did some one need ......Tom Barker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28938	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Need some help.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28939	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Car mold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28940	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28941	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: The New Joe and Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28942	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: The New Joe and Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28943	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Classified Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28944	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28945	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28946	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28947	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: S gauge Trolley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28948	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28949	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28950	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28951	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Christmas layout turns into the Winter layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28952	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28953	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout turns into the Winter layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28954	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Moe & Joe Lumber Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28955	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Hot running locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28957	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: New Mo & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28958	From: William Lange	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: time, time, time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: "S" figures question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28960	From: TCS	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28961	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28962	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28963	From: Hannon	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Hot Running Loco - 336 and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28964	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28965	From: steve	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28966	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28967	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28968	From: clarkw23	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28969	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Engine problem now transformer button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28970	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Mold on the train parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28971	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28972	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Mold on the train parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28973	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: The New Joe and Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28974	From: Tim	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: The New Joe and Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28975	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Mold on the train parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28976	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28977	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Trains in Dallas, TX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28978	From: knockbill	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: engine.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28979	From: knockbill	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine reverse buitton, Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28980	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Layout Wireing question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28981	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28982	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28983	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: locomotive likes to run one way only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28984	From: Ronald	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Box Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28985	From: Tim	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28986	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28987	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: I"M ALMOST GONE/ RAT-HOLE DELETE NOT TRAIN RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28988	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: BYE FOR AWHILE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28989	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: 343 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28991	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28992	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Trolleys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28993	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28994	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: I hope I did the right thing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28995	From: David	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28996	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28997	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: A real dust magnet it is.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28998	From: John G	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28999	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29000	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29001	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: About the metal in your Die cast train.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29002	From: Dan	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29003	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29004	From: Marty	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: reverse contact switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29005	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29006	From: Marty	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: reversing switch pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29007	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Attaching decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29008	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Attaching decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29009	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Insta-cycle button for reverse units: WAS: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29010	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem now transformer button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29011	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29012	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29013	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29014	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: About the metal in your Die cast train.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29015	From: rayklesc	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Horizon Hobby Acquires Athearn Trains...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29016	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Lumberyard look a like
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29017	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29018	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: I hope I did the right thing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29019	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: Insta-cycle button for reverse units: WAS: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29020	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29021	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29022	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29023	From: Carl	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: eBay listing prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29024	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29025	From: Tim	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29026	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29027	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Mandatory Time Out!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29028	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29029	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29030	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Billy the Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29031	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29032	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29033	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: Billy the Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29034	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: More: Rotting Metal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29035	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Pot metal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29036	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: 1997 Christmas Box car never been run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29037	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: I hope I did the right thing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29038	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Magazines - free to good homes (almost free)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29039	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: Pot metal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29040	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29041	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29042	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: #696 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29043	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29044	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: #696 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29045	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Petes Molasses Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29047	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29048	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29049	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29050	From: larryasp	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29051	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29052	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Zamac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29053	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29054	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29055	From: Bruce	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Catching Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29056	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29057	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29058	From: Brad Anderson	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Rulers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29059	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: TEST: Please deleate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29060	From: prince71443	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29061	From: doug	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29062	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: More "Decomposing" Metal on S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29063	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Rulers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29064	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29065	From: martyl11	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Looking for layout plans.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29066	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: MTH vrs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29067	From: Marty	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Trestle Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29068	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29069	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S-Friendly Train Store in SW Chicagoland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29070	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29071	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29072	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29073	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29075	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29076	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: S-Friendly Train Store in SW Chicagoland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29077	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29078	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29079	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Savannah, GA Train Show(AmericanFlyerTrains.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29080	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Slightly OT: MTH vs Lionel LLC case to continue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29081	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29082	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29083	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29084	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: 21107 disintegrates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29085	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29086	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29087	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29089	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2139
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29090	From: Hall G	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29091	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29092	From: G Nichol	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S-Friendly Website - updated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29093	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Critters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29094	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Article from Baltimore Sun on MTH vs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29095	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29096	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Miniature Christmas lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29097	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29098	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29099	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29100	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29101	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S Friendly store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29102	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2140
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29103	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: S Friendly store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29104	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: S friendly store(www.trainsandsuch.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29105	From: Tim	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Greenberg Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29106	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29107	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Repainting Notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29108	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: GATS in Santa Barbara, CA.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29109	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re-Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29110	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Train shops around Sarasota, Fla?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29111	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Cow on Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29112	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29113	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29114	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29115	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29116	From: waldootten	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel -- hidden agenda?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29117	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29118	From: waldootten	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29119	From: stanley	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: hi shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29121	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: hi shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29122	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: 696 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29123	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Thanks - American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29124	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Hi shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29125	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Lionel Delivery Delays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29126	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29127	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29128	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29129	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Shipping Fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29130	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29131	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Fwd: eBay Shipping Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29132	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Trying again - eBay Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29133	From: TCS	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29134	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Trying again - eBay Charges MY 2 CENTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29135	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29136	From: John G	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Cow on Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29137	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29139	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Catalogue Madness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29140	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29141	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC : Barred Owl Watch List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29142	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC : Barred Owl Watch List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29143	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Ore Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29144	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29145	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Blinker update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29146	From: waldootten	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Wheel trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29147	From: Roger Young	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Fwd: [toytrains] Looking for a model train set to video tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29148	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29149	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Scratch building question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29150	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 761 semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29151	From: waldootten	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29152	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29153	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29154	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 18 B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29155	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29156	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29157	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29158	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29159	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Scratch building question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29160	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29161	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29162	From: roy inman	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29163	From: Dan	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Wig-wag page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29164	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff AD PLUG PLUG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29165	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 761 Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29166	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29167	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Long Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29168	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Lanes Trains Custom Painting is open for Business (:->)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: long trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29170	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: AF #48964 NYC Baggage Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29171	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29172	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29173	From: steve	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: A decision to paint.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29174	From: John A Foley	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: TCA Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29175	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: A decision to paint.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29176	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29177	From: wayned10@comcast.net	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29178	From: Hall G	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: NMRA show Seattle 2004?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29179	From: Hall G	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: NMRA 2004 Seattle!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29180	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Layout Wireing question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29181	From: keefer1	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: paint match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29182	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [S-Trains] paint match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29183	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: Layout Wireing question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29184	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: CAIG ......... SOMEWHAT OF A BLANTANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29185	From: rebendever	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: New poll for ModelingGuide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29186	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: NMRA 2004 Seattle!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29187	From: waldootten	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: Layout Wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29188	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29189	From: rtanson	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: puter crash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29190	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [S-Trains] paint match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29191	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: AF Crinkle paint finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29192	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF Crinkle paint finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29193	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2149
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29194	From: thefireman2473	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29195	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Radio controlled tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29196	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Seattle show this summer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29197	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29198	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: 4-8-4 and AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29199	From: Tim	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29200	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Does anyone have an AM pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29201	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Any suggestions for New Steam locos?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29202	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: PHM RDC Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29203	From: Alex	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29204	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: GATS in Akron
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29205	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29206	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29207	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29208	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29209	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for New Steam locos?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29210	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Akron
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29211	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Akron
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29212	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29213	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: GATS show in Chicago and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29214	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Seattle show this summer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29215	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Radio controlled tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29216	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29217	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF Crinkle paint finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29218	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS show in Chicago and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29219	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29220	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29221	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Re: AM pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29222	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29224	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29225	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Wanted: Southern Railway Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29226	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Have surplus SHS Catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29227	From: steve	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29228	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29229	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29230	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Another Mikado Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29231	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: What is "AC" and "K"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29232	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: PAYPAL????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29233	From: Marty	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: PAYPAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29234	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29235	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29236	From: roy inman	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29237	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Mikado delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29238	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29239	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: What is "AC" and "K"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29241	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29242	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29243	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29244	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Anniversary Site Addition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29245	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29246	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Seattle NTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29247	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29248	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Lionel help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29249	From: Don McGinnis	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AM turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29250	From: aleisen@juno.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Digest 2151
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29251	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29252	From: keefer1	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29253	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: How to remove rust? + stripping gloves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29254	From: Ken Kinyon - W7TS	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29255	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29256	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? WAY OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29257	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29258	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29259	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AF loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29260	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [showcaseline] S-Helper SW-1 Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29261	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29262	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29263	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29264	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Wally World
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29265	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Wally World
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29266	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29267	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? WAY OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29268	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29269	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29270	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29271	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29272	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29273	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29274	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Engine #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29275	From: keefer1	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: 466 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29276	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29277	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29278	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: MAIL OFF TOPIC A BIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29279	From: steve	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: american flyer switcher operation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29280	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: american flyer switcher operation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29281	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Okay, here's another What Is It?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29282	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, here's another What Is It?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29283	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: What is it 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29284	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, here's another What Is It?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29285	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: ANSWER: What is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29286	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: micro mark grit blaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29287	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: NEW ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29288	From: steve	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: american flyer switcher operation? Next question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29289	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29290	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29291	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29293	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29294	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: TRP application
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29295	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: OOPS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29296	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: K5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29297	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Engine #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29298	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: "dead" section of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29299	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: "dead" section of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29300	From: larryasp	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29301	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29302	From: afherky	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29303	From: fnmichong	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29304	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29305	From: John G	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: "dead" section of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29306	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Models new release
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29307	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: 466 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29308	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel - A HANDCAR !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29309	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29310	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel - A HANDCAR !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29311	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF / Lionel HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29312	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29313	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29314	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29315	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29316	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29317	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29318	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Musings and Responses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29319	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29320	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29321	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29322	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Nice item on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29323	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: K5 Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29324	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29325	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 1:64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29326	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29327	From: vickiec40403	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 466 brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29328	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: Nice item on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29329	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Nice item on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29330	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29331	From: John A Foley	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: S Scale for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29332	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29333	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29334	From: David Engle	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29335	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29336	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Worried.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29338	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: whats a remote control unit on a 307 do? how do i get my 307 to st
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29339	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: whats a remote control unit on a 307 do? how do i get my 307 t
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29340	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29341	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29342	From: xitter1224	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29343	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29345	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29346	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Does anyone know about the file that seems to be a list of Russ Mob
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29347	From: firex43	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 4 Wheel Lead Truck Derailments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29348	From: fnmichong	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29349	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 4 wheel lead truck derailments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29350	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29351	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29352	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 1/64 scale cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29353	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Lionel & 1/64th SCALE???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29354	From: William Lange	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: ]Worried.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29355	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel & 1/64th SCALE???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29356	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Vehicles for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29357	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: J & L Tank car painting special FREE FREE FREE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29358	From: doug	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29359	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: B & O Light Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29360	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: steam drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29361	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: steam drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29362	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Adding pictures to classified ads.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29363	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Looking for.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29364	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: Worried
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 scale cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29366	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: New museum in Virginia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29367	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29368	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Worried....???....Maybe Not....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29369	From: Tim	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: New year's greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29370	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] B & O Light Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29371	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Announcing my new website (:->)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29372	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Preliminary Layout Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29373	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: TRAIN SHOWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29374	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29375	From: stanley	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29377	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Smoke problems again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29378	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Looking for parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29379	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Vehicles for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29380	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29381	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29382	From: rfgiardina	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29383	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29384	From: Jim Dunn	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29385	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18 B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29386	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29387	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29388	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29389	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF-K325 Pick-up Shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29390	From: Jim Dunn	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29391	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: AF-K325 Pick-up Shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29392	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29393	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29394	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29395	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29396	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29397	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29398	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29399	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: 027 is 1/64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29400	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: 18B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29401	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29402	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29403	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29404	From: keefer1	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: vacuum tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29405	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Tender repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29406	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Tender repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29407	From: vickiec40403	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: GP 371
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29408	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Baggage & B units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29409	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Tender repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29410	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: GP 371
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29411	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: UP 3985 Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29412	From: waldootten	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: VIRUS INFO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29413	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29414	From: doug	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order, Baggage Smashers. etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29415	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: UP Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29416	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29417	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29418	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29419	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order, Baggage Smashers. etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29420	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: UP Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29421	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] UP Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29422	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29423	From: waldootten	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29424	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: vacuum tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29425	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29426	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29427	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29428	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Baggage cars & B units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29429	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Real NYC Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29430	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29431	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29432	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: American Idol auditions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29433	From: Tim	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29434	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29435	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Passerger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29436	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29437	From: TCS	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: new CNW caboose decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29438	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29439	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Passerger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29440	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Model Railroader Sweepstakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29441	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: VACUUM TUBES & Blantant AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29442	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Passerger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29443	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29444	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29445	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29446	From: roy inman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29447	From: the Reis's	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Train Room cleaning 2004 - Stuff foe sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29448	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: 18B revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29449	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: (Bulls Eye)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29450	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: FALL S-FEST 2002 CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29451	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29452	From: waldootten	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29453	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29454	From: Steve Roche	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2164
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29455	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29456	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29457	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29458	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Warning! Ebay and shipping cost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29459	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Please edit your replies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29460	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: please submit pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29461	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29462	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2165
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29464	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29465	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29467	From: Tim	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29468	From: prince71443	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: erector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29469	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29470	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29471	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Please edit your replies & ANOTHER thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29472	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29473	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Showroom Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29474	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29475	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29476	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29477	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29478	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: WAY WAY OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29479	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29480	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Bridge Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29481	From: John Harvey	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: In Praise of Port Lines Hobby Supplies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29482	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29483	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29484	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29485	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29486	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29487	From: JCB_Brent	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29488	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29489	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29490	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29491	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29492	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29493	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control Addendum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29494	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Bridge Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29495	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29496	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: "modern" track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29497	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Portable layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29498	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Bridge Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29499	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Follow up!`
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29500	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Good News or Bad News?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29501	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29502	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29503	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29504	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: B & O Light Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29505	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: The Value of the Small Retailer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29506	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29507	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29508	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29509	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: PRR tender trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29510	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29511	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29512	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29513	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29514	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29515	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Good News or Bad News?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29516	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29517	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29518	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29519	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29520	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: The Value of the Small Retailer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29521	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Good News or Bad News? Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2168
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29522	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: PRR Boiler weight sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29523	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29524	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2169
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29525	From: steve	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: how do you remove a rivet - knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29526	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: rivet removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29527	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: message failures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29528	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: CWHISTLE CONTROL TUBES BLATANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29529	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29530	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Free Mags - Wrap up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29531	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2170
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29532	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: knuckle coupler rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29533	From: steve	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29534	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29535	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Lionel 2004 Book 1 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29536	From: Bruce	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: Portable layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29537	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Glenn Ritter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29538	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Plastic air hose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29539	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29540	From: TCS	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Fw: [RPM-forum] Re: Yahoo SpamGuard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29541	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: air hose part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29542	From: steve	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Still looking for a pin conector for a 21115 Loco to tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29544	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29545	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29546	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Lionel #741 Handcar and Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29547	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Scale Ruler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29548	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29549	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: U25B's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29550	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: That time ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29551	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: [Fwd: [Switchers] Digest Number 166]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29552	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Wiring diagrams for AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29553	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Wiring diagram for AF Steam locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29554	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: off topic - S-scale 'erector set' ferris wheel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29555	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam engine motor bearing specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29556	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam derrick boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29557	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: Steam engine motor bearing specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29558	From: steve	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: whats a 2 pin male conector for a 21115 loco to tender worth?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29559	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Website Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29560	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29561	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam engine motor bearing specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29562	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: derrick boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29563	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29564	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Here's one to take a L@@K at.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29565	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Here's one to take a L@@K at.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29566	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: off topic - S-scale 'erector set' ferris wheel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29567	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: Steam engine motor bearing specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29568	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29570	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29571	From: vickiec40403	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: resistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29572	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Purchase Advice - AF 747 Cardboard Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29573	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Trains Display at the Library!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29574	From: Alex	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: resistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29575	From: keefer1	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29576	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: Trains Display at the Library!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29577	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: repro knuckle coupler--punt???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29578	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: New drawbar attachment for AF #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29580	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: repro knuckle coupler--punt???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29581	From: Alex	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: resistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29582	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Book (was resistance measurements)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29583	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: ethnic diversity on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: GILBERT & MALTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29585	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29586	From: Chris Burger	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Portland/Hermiston Oregon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29587	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29588	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: ethnic diversity on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29589	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Purchase Advice - AF 747 Cardboard Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29590	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29591	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29592	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: ethnic diversity on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29593	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: repro knuckle coupler--punt???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29594	From: waldootten	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: What happened to trainweb.org?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29595	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Ebay item question - AF 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29596	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29597	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay item question - AF 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29598	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: AF 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29599	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: What happened to trainweb.org?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29600	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: E-BAY & OTHERS PHONE #'s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29601	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29602	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29603	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: AF 375 - Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29604	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: SHS USRA hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29605	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: gluing flex track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29606	From: Tim	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: My layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29607	From: waldootten	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout W O W !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29608	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29609	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375 - Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29610	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29611	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: 21158 Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29612	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Train Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29613	From: waldootten	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Live steam in June on the Milwaukee Road 261
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29614	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: UP 3985 Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29615	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29617	From: firex43	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: AF 21205-1 Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29618	From: MrBlase	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29619	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29620	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: converting e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29621	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: FWD: Weathering Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29622	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29623	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29624	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29625	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Spring S Spree is coming April 30 - May 1 in Columbus Ohio!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29626	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29627	From: larryasp	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29628	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: SHS Hi-Rail Diesel wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29629	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29630	From: Hall G	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29631	From: jay walsh	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarko on transformers ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29632	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29633	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29634	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29635	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29636	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Yahoo Outages and other things.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29637	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Yahoo Outages and other things.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29638	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Re: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29639	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarko on transformers ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29640	From: Al Galli	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: tampa train store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29641	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: H & R Trains - St. Pete/Clearwater Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29642	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: groups calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29643	From: waldootten	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Phasing transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29644	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: x29
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29645	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29646	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: More Challenger 3985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29647	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: More Challenger 3985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29648	From: waldootten	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: UP-3985 -- Steam beats diesel any day.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29649	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29650	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: knuckle coupler rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29651	From: seg60133	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375 - Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29652	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29653	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Atlanta Train Show February 21 and 22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29654	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2179
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29655	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: HOME BUT NO TRAINS YET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29656	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Multiple Transformer Dangers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29657	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: further Flyer tx facts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29658	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29659	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: insulating pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29660	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29661	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Omule] Digest Number 6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29662	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29663	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Postings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29664	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Postings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29665	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Help - Glue Recommendations wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29666	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29667	From: Carl	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29668	From: butchclimax	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Pike Master
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29670	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: HOME BUT NO TRAINS YET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29671	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Postings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29672	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Light bulbs (off topic but you brought it up)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29673	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: AF Whistling Billboards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29674	From: Alex	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Some soldering hints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29675	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Winross
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29676	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29677	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29678	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: New K-Line 2004 S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29679	From: William Lange	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: BK Truscale Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29680	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Sparking 370 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29681	From: dat08901	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: Light bulbs vs. LED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29682	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: K-Line 2004 correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29683	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29684	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: FLYONEL NYC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29685	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: Sparking 370 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29686	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: 977 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29687	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: 2 new records!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29688	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: sintered trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29689	From: steve	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Duke the Walking Cowboy 970 Silver Meteor blues!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29690	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29691	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: AF Whistling Billboards!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29692	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: sintered trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29693	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29694	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29695	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: 2004 K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29696	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: sintered trucks, repairing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29697	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: sintered trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29698	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: 370 Runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29700	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29701	From: Alan and Sherry	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: American Models Caboose Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29702	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29703	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29704	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29705	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Caboose Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29706	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29707	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29708	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: [S/Sn3 Modeling Guide] S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Allentown, PA "Spr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29709	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29710	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29711	From: Carl	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Unknown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29712	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Frank Titman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29713	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Unknown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29714	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29715	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29716	From: Dave	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: 2004 Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29717	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29718	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: General Request to ALL on the list...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29719	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29720	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29721	From: waldootten	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29722	From: Tim	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29723	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29724	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29725	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29726	From: jt12313	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29727	From: jt12313	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Lionel car hauler in 2004 book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29728	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2182
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29729	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Supertrain Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29730	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29731	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1951 sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29732	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29733	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29734	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Interesting eBay item closing today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29735	From: firex43	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Sintered Iron Truck Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29736	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Sintered Iron Truck Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29737	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay item closing today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29738	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: OT: Lionel's Latest newsletter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29739	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29740	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1952 K5210W set K335, Wooden 928, Setbox, wraps, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29741	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29742	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29743	From: keefer1	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29744	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29745	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29746	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: #913 Great Northern Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29747	From: luchocastrope	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Big,Big,Big American Flyer train colection for sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29748	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29749	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29750	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1951 sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29751	From: roy inman	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, et
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29752	From: Tim	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29753	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29754	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29755	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2187
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29756	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29757	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29758	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: K-Line Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29759	From: jt12313	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29760	From: Tim	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29761	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29762	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29763	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: train repairs etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29764	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29765	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: train repairs etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29766	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29767	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29768	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29769	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29770	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29771	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29772	From: Don	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Off Scale Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29773	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29774	From: editor	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Allentown, PA "Spring Thaw" This Weekend!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29775	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29776	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: RECTIFORMER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29778	From: amflyers53	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29779	From: William Lange	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] BK Truscale Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29780	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Crane gear
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29781	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: AF Collector Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29782	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Rectiformer Tube Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2189
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29783	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29784	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Atlanta GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29785	From: William Lange	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29786	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: WHISTLE CONTROL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29787	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29788	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29789	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: 22 gauge superflex wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29790	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Rectiformer tube #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29791	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: I picked up a sleeper on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29792	From: Ray Boemler	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: New guy looking for resources
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29793	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29794	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: To the Sunday Chat crowd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29795	From: Steven J Schwartz	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29796	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29797	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: 945 Caboose Steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29798	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29799	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29800	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29801	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: phasing transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29802	From: editor	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29803	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29804	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Black engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29805	From: BluePrince	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Black engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29806	From: Tom Young	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Black engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29807	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: VERY RARE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29808	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: K-Line Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29809	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Black engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29810	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Link Passenger Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29811	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Black engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29812	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: green 21424 B&M gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29813	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29814	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29815	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Decal removal update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29816	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Engine paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29817	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29818	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Speaking of the AFCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of the AFCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29820	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Link Passenger Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29821	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Green 24124 Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29822	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Complete K335 Freight Set to be listed tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29823	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: AFCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29824	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: wealth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29825	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Set Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29826	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Green 24124 Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29827	From: steve	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Stripped screw hole on my deisel truck help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29828	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: 290 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29829	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: 646 Search Light Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29830	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29831	From: pmcelroy	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29832	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29833	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Website update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29834	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: diesel truck screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29835	From: waldootten	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29837	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Green 24124 Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29838	From: doug	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29839	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: ThankS to everyone for the tran plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29840	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: New Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29841	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29842	From: firex43	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Reluctant E-Unit, Voltmeters & AFCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29843	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Jones and Laughlin tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29844	From: doug	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29845	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29846	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29847	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29848	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Reluctant E-Unit, Voltmeters & AFCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29849	From: doug	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29850	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: group membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29851	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29852	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Subscriber vs Group Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29853	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Naval (Navel?) Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29854	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: S Helper Christmas 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29855	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29856	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: PRR X29 in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29857	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29858	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Re: 595 talking tool shed - Link to catalog page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29859	From: LeRoy Price	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29860	From: john.kernan@kodak.com	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: A few AF cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29862	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Catalog.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29863	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: "Nesquick" Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29864	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Greenberg's Train Show Timonium Md
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29865	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: "Nesquick" Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29866	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29867	From: John G	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Roundhouse column / S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29868	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Roundhouse column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29869	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Roundhouse column / S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29870	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Chat tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29872	From: john crotty	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29873	From: john crotty	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29874	From: Bruce	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29875	From: afjeff_56	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Smokey Bear Tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29876	From: keefer1	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29877	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29878	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29879	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29880	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Talking Tool Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29881	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Bogus Stuff......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29882	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Bogus Stuff......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29883	From: Bruce	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29884	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29885	From: firex43	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Wanted: Original PM Trucks With Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29886	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29887	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29888	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: photo albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29889	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29890	From: Tim	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29891	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Big Bird
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29892	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29893	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29894	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: List of Stuff 4 Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29895	From: Tim	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29896	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: BIG bIRD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29897	From: steve	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29898	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29899	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29901	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Train shows in Seattle-Tacoma?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29902	From: Larry Huff	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: For the birds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29903	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Worried about your trains being stolen?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29904	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen?REPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29905	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Gilles Peppin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29906	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29907	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29908	From: jt12313	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Baldwin chassis & trucks wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29909	From: Tim	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29910	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Problems /....PROUBLEMS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29911	From: TCS	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29912	From: busyboy@optonline.net	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29913	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: SCALE & MATH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29915	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: List of Stuff 4 Sale...UPDATE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29916	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Copper thieves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29917	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29918	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29919	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29920	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29921	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29922	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29923	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: BK Truscale Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29924	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Puget Sound Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29925	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29926	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29927	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29928	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: SCALE & MATH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29929	From: Tim	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: SCALE & MATH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29930	From: steve	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29931	From: steve	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29932	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29933	From: john.kernan@kodak.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Remaining LTI-AF Collection Items For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29934	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29935	From: David Engle	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled???????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29936	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29937	From: keefer1	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29938	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29939	From: keefer1	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29940	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29941	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29942	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29943	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Can motor installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29944	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Ebay response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29945	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29946	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29947	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Lionel AF Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29948	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: AF 21140 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29949	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29950	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29951	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29952	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29953	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29954	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29955	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29957	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29958	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29959	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29960	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29961	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29962	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29963	From: starr007	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: A.F. 963 chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29964	From: Steve Roche	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: acknowledgements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29965	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: acknowledgements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29966	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Turnout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29967	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29968	From: Carl	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: TRUE backbone of the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29969	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29970	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29971	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29972	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: YORK........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29973	From: steve	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: TRUE backbone of the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29974	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29975	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29976	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: TRUE backbone of the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29977	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Barb's Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29978	From: Bill Roberts	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: New List Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29979	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: New List Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29980	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Un-claimed Photo Albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29981	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: YORK........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29982	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29983	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: New List Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29984	From: waldootten	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Need help -- AM smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29985	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2203
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29986	From: Alex	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Train trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29987	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29988	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29989	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29990	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29991	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29992	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29993	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29994	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29995	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29996	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29997	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29998	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 29999	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30000	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30001	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30002	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30003	From: BeechCrRR@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30004	From: Tim	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30005	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30006	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Girls and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30007	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30008	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30009	From: Alex	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30010	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30011	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: Girls and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30012	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: el Virus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30013	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: It was 1964 and I loved trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30014	From: waldootten	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Okay, I looked closer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30015	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30017	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30018	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30019	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30020	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30021	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30022	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Trolley Motor Regauged to 1:64 std ga
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30023	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30024	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30025	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30026	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30028	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30029	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 trolley motor conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30030	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: What's on your bench.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30031	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 trolley motor conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30032	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30033	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Needed: AF GP7 sideframe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30034	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Train Trailer 1/64 and S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30035	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Needed: Uncouplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30036	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Train Chimes ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30037	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30038	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: That $4K EBAY lot...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30039	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30040	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Airplane Loco Carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30041	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30042	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30043	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30044	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30045	From: waldootten	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: More on the 1946 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30046	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30047	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: LAST CALL: 2004 Lionel Book 1 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30048	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30049	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30050	From: shoestring02140	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Slightly off-topic query: Lionel HO American Flyer set for Sears (1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Slightly off-topic query: Lionel HO American Flyer set for Sear
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30052	From: trainman634	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30053	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30054	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30055	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30056	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Western Train shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30057	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30058	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Sanborn Maps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30059	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30060	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30061	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Uncouplers Found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30062	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Motor Regauged to 1:64 std ga
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30063	From: Tim	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Transformers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30064	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30065	From: waldootten	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30066	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30067	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: oh my goodness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30068	From: Todd McGowan	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30069	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30070	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30071	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30072	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30073	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: I think I know why that train went for so much.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30075	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30076	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30077	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Ideal radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30078	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30079	From: Art	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Set Searcher Database
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30080	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30081	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30082	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Set Searcher Database
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30083	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Set Searcher Database
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30084	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Greenberg's Timonium Md
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30085	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: B&O rust on truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30086	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: NASG Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30087	From: David Avedesian	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Looking for William Schmitz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30088	From: David Avedesian	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Ideal radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30089	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Pre-TCA York shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30090	From: frbpman	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Re: B&O rust on truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30091	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: S South
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30092	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Re: Pre-TCA York shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30093	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Double-Whammy Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30094	From: trainman634	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: AF #26752 Uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30095	From: eddiee456	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: background sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30096	From: trainman634	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: New AF Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30097	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: New Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30098	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Modeling guide Issue 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30099	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Ideal Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30100	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30101	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30102	From: waldootten	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Smoke unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30103	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Modeling guide Issue 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30104	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30105	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30106	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30107	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2212
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30108	From: Rick	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Hi everyone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30109	From: David Engle	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Hi everyone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30110	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Modern Poles Not In Warsaw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30111	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Ideal radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30112	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2212
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30113	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Ebay Auction Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30114	From: larryasp	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Auction Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30115	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Auction Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30116	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30117	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer website award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30118	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Smoke wick question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30119	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke wick question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30120	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Modeling guide Issue 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30121	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-Together at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30122	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30123	From: keefer1	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: HO Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30124	From: jt12313	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Alco/GP-7 trucks... eventually wanted:)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30125	From: jt12313	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Showcase-Flyer track adaptors and other track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30126	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: Showcase-Flyer track adaptors and other track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30127	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: York Gilbert Get-Together Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30128	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30129	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Get-Together Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30130	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Jerry Dobbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30131	From: David Engle	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30132	From: starr007	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: rust removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30133	From: Hall G	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Lots of S at Seattle GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30134	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: $650.00 981 Central Of Georgia Boxcar sold on e-BAY????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30135	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: S scale Fox Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30136	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke wick question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30137	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Very Neat Signaling Web Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30139	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: $650.00 981 Central Of Georgia Boxcar sold on e-BAY????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30140	From: john crotty	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: INPUTS WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30141	From: vickiec40403	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: diesel armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30142	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: INPUTS WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30143	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30144	From: Irving washington	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: INPUTS WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30145	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: CTT renewal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30146	From: knockbill	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Tender side hole
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30147	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30148	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30149	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Christmas in March?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30150	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: "S" sized engine........SORRY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30151	From: trainman634	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Gargraves S Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30152	From: larryasp	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER PREWAR 2-4-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30153	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30154	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30155	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30156	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: Irish Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30157	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30158	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30159	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30160	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: DPH Husky Stacks Coupler Height Improvement Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30161	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30162	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Happy S Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30163	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30164	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER U
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30165	From: xitter1224	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30166	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revistied
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30167	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: St. Gilbert Day!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30168	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revisti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30169	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Greenberg" Timonium Md
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30170	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30171	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30173	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: SORRY ABOUT THE MATH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30174	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: AF Baldwin by "L"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30175	From: Bob Tufts	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30176	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: track blocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30177	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: Re: Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revistied
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30178	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Christmas videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30179	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: AF Baldwin by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30180	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Baldwin by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30181	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30182	From: beebear	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Looking for decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30183	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30184	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Back-to-Back American Flyer Wheel Spacing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30185	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30186	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: GATS at St Louis/Collinsville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30187	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Ebay jerk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30188	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30189	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay jerk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30190	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together (York)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30191	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30192	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30193	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30194	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Seller's note about the 21130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30195	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Caboose purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30197	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30198	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30199	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-Together (York)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30200	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: schedule openings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30201	From: trainman634	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: AF Uncouplers on D.C.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30202	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Honesty in Sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30203	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30204	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30205	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30206	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30207	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30208	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30209	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Uncouplers on D.C.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30210	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 771 Stockyard help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30211	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30212	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 771 Stockyard help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30213	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Alder Models' S Switchstands: B&O Use of Racor 31-B and CP Tall?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30214	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Route 66
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30215	From: editor	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: *Newly Created*: The NMRA 1/64th-scale Special Interest Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30216	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30217	From: john crotty	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: japan -S- TRAINMFG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30218	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30219	From: Al Galli	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Set price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30220	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30221	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30222	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30223	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30224	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30225	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: 200!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30226	From: nasglibrary	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30227	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Car photos.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30228	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: TMCC for American Flyer Now with the New AC/DC MDB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30229	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30230	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: FS SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30231	From: trainman634	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: MRC Direct Current Powerpack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30232	From: Brian Chapman	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Should we manufacture in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30233	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Thanks for the 771 Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30234	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30235	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30236	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: vehicle idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30237	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: vehicle idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30239	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Car Photos......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30240	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: recall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30241	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Back-to-Back American Flyer Wheel Spacing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30242	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Smoke Unit mystery solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30243	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Model RR Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30244	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30245	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Actually building now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30246	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: O GAGE DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30247	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30248	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2222
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30249	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30250	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30251	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30252	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: MRC Direct Current Powerpack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30253	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Flyer 6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30254	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30255	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30256	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30257	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30258	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30259	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30260	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30261	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: New member from Canada soon!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30262	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: membership fee, out of US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30263	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: diaphragns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30264	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: eBay item 3183620995.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30265	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Thanks and.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30266	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30267	From: jhan coble	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30268	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30269	From: roy inman	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Addition to S Trains guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30270	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30271	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30272	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: American Flyer makes the eBay home page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30273	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Thanks and.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30274	From: stevemcguire63	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: White decal paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30275	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: MAJOR Announcement - Pennsy S Models S Scale Brass X29 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30276	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer makes the eBay home page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30277	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: New S scale layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30278	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: New S scale layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30279	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30280	From: Linda & Ted Weiler	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: New S scale layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30281	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Installing DCC in Thomas the Tank engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30282	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: naming the base post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30283	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Track Maint. Car 23743
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30284	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30285	From: roy inman	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30286	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30287	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention in Fresno
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30288	From: starman19811	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: C&O standard station in S scale FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30289	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Track Maint. Car 23743
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30290	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30291	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30292	From: roy inman	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30293	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: naming the base post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30294	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30295	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30296	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30297	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30298	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30299	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30300	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30301	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale Modeling] New Web - Site!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30302	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: TTOS Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30303	From: editor	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30304	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2227
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30305	From: Kenny.C.Palmer@phil.frb.org	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2227
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30306	From: Tim	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Four rehab Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30308	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: New S scale layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30309	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car variation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30310	From: Hall G	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30311	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30312	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30313	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Maine Central Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30314	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30315	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: eBay item 3184447070 (Ends Mar-31-04 174625 PST) - American Flyer 6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30316	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30317	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30318	From: Alex	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30319	From: keefer1	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30320	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Layout software?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30321	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30322	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: misleading or misfortune
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30323	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: Layout software?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30324	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30325	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30326	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30327	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30328	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30329	From: jt12313	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: What to use for a kitbashed diesel frame/chassis?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30330	From: jt12313	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: S-Gaugian subscription price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30331	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Software and Macintosh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30332	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30333	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30334	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30335	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: SHS Wheel Sets and Couplers For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30336	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30337	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Front coupler for AM steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30338	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30339	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: S/O gauge cork roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30340	From: Tim	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Work Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30341	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Work Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30342	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Work Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30343	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Playground Slide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Plasticville Bank needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30345	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Easter Layout?? Oops!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30346	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: WHERE have allTHE PIECES GONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30347	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Plasticville Bank needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30348	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Timonuim MD Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30349	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2231
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30350	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Timonuim MD Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30351	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: 20'-30's pick-ups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30352	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: John Huster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30353	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: John Huster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30354	From: beebear	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Track Cleaning Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30355	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: AF Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30356	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: AF Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30357	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: AF Rubber Road Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30358	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30359	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Easter Layout?? Oops!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30360	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30361	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention In Fresno, Ca. August 3 - 7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30362	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: 326 Vacuum CONTROLLER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Ebay 21130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30364	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30365	From: David Engle	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30366	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30367	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30368	From: Tim	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30369	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Model Tech Industries S-Scale items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30370	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30371	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30372	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30373	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30374	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: New email address for Chuck and Betty Smith
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30375	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30376	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30377	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30378	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30379	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: 30's Towtrucks on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30380	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: 20's & 30's trucks on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30381	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30382	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Prewar American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30383	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30384	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: NEW GREAT IDEA..... CONTEST.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30385	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30386	From: waldootten	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30387	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30388	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30389	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: CONTEST WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30390	From: Tim	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30391	From: Tim	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Too long
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30392	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: FW: S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30393	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30394	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30395	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30396	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30397	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Lledo "Days Gone" trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30398	From: beebear	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Just looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30399	From: trainman634	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: MRC Power Command 9500
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30400	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Just looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30401	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30402	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: MRC Power Command 9500
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30403	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30404	From: Alex	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30405	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30406	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Central of Georgia (and others) Depot(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30407	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Atlas O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30408	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30409	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30410	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30411	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Circular Slide Rule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30412	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30413	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30414	From: Tim	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30415	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30416	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: NORM SCHREINER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30417	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30418	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30419	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Abandoned steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30420	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30421	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: 631 T&P dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30422	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: 631 T&P dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30423	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30424	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Central of Georgia (and others) Depot(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30425	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Abandoned steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30426	From: starr007	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: GP7 or Alco trucksideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30427	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30428	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the slippery srick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30429	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30430	From: Chris	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: American Flyer Circus Train Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30431	From: Hannon	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2236 - York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30432	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30433	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30434	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: So old it's new!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30435	From: Bruce	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30436	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30437	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30438	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30439	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the Slippery Stick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30440	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: GONDOLA WINNER........ WATCH FOR NEXT CONTEST!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30441	From: Alex	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: More memories of the slippery stick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30442	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30443	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Check out Online machine shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30444	From: Al Galli	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: york
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30445	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30446	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30447	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Fw: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30448	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30449	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fw: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30450	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: More Slide Rule Memories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30451	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the Slippery Stick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30452	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the Slippery Stick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30453	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2237
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30454	From: editor	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30455	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: TONIGHTS CONTEST........... HARTOY TRUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30456	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30457	From: race944t	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30458	From: geep39	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Davey & Goliath-I Saw Flyer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30459	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30460	From: larryasp	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Power Loss.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30461	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30462	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Power loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30463	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30464	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30465	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: S-Trains Badge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30466	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Badge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30467	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30468	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30469	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30470	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30471	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30472	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30473	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Grand Excursion 1854-2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30474	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: 915 Auto Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30475	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Daylight savings Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30476	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: You can see me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30477	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Atlas Turntable, and space problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30478	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Last Night's Contest Winner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Last Night's Contest Winner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30480	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30481	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: York Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30482	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30483	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30484	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Atlas TT & Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30485	From: stan9432	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: set boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30486	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30487	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30488	From: waldootten	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Looking for Greenberg AF Catalog book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30489	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Speaking of Greenberg......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30490	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30491	From: John Frankforther	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30492	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Saturday Night's Contest Outcome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30493	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30494	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30495	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: My "Oh Brother" layout.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30496	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30497	From: jackotrains	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: K-Line :S" Tankers-Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30498	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30499	From: waldootten	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30500	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30501	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: 755A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30502	From: waldootten	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30503	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30504	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30505	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line :S" Tankers-Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30506	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30507	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30508	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2238
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30509	From: roy inman	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30510	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: The "Oh Brother" train....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30511	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30512	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: "Oh Oh"...Daddy had to take over.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30513	From: waldootten	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Flyer in the movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30514	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: 770/775 loading platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30515	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: TCA Quarterly and S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30516	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30517	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30518	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30519	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30520	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30521	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30522	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30523	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30524	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York list and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30525	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: 770/775 loading platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30526	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: "Oh Brother" train in the movie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30528	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Happy news on my model railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30529	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30530	From: Chris	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Badges? We don' need no stinkin' badges!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30531	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: did you know
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30532	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30533	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Redesign of the #5 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30534	From: race944t	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: 24403 IL Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30535	From: theheadliner	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: did you know
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30536	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30537	From: David Engle	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: 24403 IL Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30538	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30539	From: Tim	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Fw: Printing out decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30540	From: Tim	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Printing out decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30541	From: doug	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30542	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Meeting others on S list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30543	From: Mike Vana	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: American Flyer 470-471-473 variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30544	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: York list and Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30545	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Miniature piano-type hinges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30546	From: Chris	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Badge for York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30547	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer 470-471-473 variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30548	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Miniature Piano Hinges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30549	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature piano-type hinges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30550	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: J & L Tank car for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30551	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Moving Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30552	From: trainman634	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: PRR Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30553	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2232
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30554	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Replating siderods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30555	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2243
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30556	From: finnhill	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Have AM streamline passenger cars to trade.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30557	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: PRR Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30558	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: PRR Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30559	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Apathy or Lack of Marketing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30560	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: shells for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30562	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2242
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30563	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Honesty in eBay advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30564	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Pennsy Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30565	From: Tim	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30566	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30567	From: roy inman	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Model train photography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30568	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Opaque ink cartridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30569	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Sam E's Manufacturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30570	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30571	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: York - Final Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30572	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Tonight's Flyer Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30573	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest Winner is:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30574	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Flyer Contest Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30575	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Industrial Rail cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30576	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Grooves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30577	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: GROOVES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30578	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: GROOVES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: In the groove
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30580	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: grooves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30581	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: grooves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30582	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: IR Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30583	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Get into The Groove...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30584	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: New S scale layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30585	From: johntech2004	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Imitation Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30586	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Imitation Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30587	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30588	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30589	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Engine runs for the first time in years
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30590	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: linkage ties to lineage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30591	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: linkage ties to lineage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30592	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: linkage ties to lineage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30593	From: Tim	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Invisible meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30594	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: Invisible meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30595	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Modeling Duryea underframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30596	From: Tim	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: Invisible meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30597	From: Chris	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30598	From: waldootten	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Engine wraps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30599	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: FW: Sunday S-Helper Trains on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30600	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Flyer trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30601	From: Tim	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30602	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Collection For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30603	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: linkage ties to lineage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30604	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: All Along, Mom Was on the Right Track (washingtonpost.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30605	From: plb6211@AOL.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 - OO Gauge Live Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30606	From: plb6211@AOL.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 OO Gauge Live Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30607	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30608	From: Chris	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom Was on the Right T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30609	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30610	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30611	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Found It - NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30612	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI S Scale Switchstands: Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30613	From: roy inman	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom Was
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30614	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30615	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30616	From: larryasp	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30617	From: larryasp	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30618	From: finnhill	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: AM Streamline cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30619	From: sparkee664	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Hi group and Newbie question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30620	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30621	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30622	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30623	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: AF 322 choo-choo inside the tender!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30624	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Badges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30625	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Printing out decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30626	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Badges, Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30627	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2248
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30628	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: steam whistle in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30629	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2248
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30630	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Switch switch broke!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30631	From: Tim	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: steam whistle in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30632	From: Tim	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: One more time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30633	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: One more time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30634	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: O-Mule (MP Plymouth DDT) to S - The saga continues!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30635	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Possible new product: etched Geep steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30636	From: roy inman	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: virus spams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30637	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: virus spams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30638	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30639	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: UPDATE American flyer 322 tender choo-choo....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30640	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30641	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30642	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Putt trolleys...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30643	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30644	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Mapping Suggestions Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30645	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: A New National High-Speed Train Network
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30646	From: Chris	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Artistic Liberties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30647	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: Artistic Liberties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30648	From: theheadliner	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30649	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Greatest toy train bloopers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30650	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Why should I
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30651	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30652	From: Chris	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: The Dangers of Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30653	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: Possible new product: etched Geep steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30654	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: ac gilberts secret or is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30655	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: ac gilberts secret or is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30656	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30657	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: A Momentous Occasion!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30658	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: S events
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30659	From: trainman634	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: American Models Track & Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30660	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30661	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: ac gilberts secret or is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30662	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: On30 -> S conversion pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30663	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30664	From: Dave W	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: 2004 Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: The group meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30666	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: On30 -> S conversion pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30667	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Track & Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30668	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 on Tour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30669	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: ARE repros worth it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30670	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30671	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Omule conversion to 1:64 atd ga photo essay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30672	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Pictures of the portable / public display layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30673	From: Tim	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30674	From: xitter1224	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30675	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30676	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30677	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: York, not the last word
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30678	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: EDIECAST - Diecast Merchandise Search Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30679	From: Tim	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30680	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Railway gun project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30681	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: Railway gun project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30682	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30683	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: On30 conversions....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30684	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30685	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Then there's Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30686	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: trades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30687	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: What did you Yorkies get?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30688	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: What did you Yorkies get?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30689	From: sparkee664	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Thanks for the responses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30691	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Roaring Camp--Felton, Calif.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30692	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Roaring Camp--Felton, Calif.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30693	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30694	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Fighter figures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30696	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30697	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Spring S Spree Update!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30698	From: beebear	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Information Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30699	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30700	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Information Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30701	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: 660
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30702	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: polpolk9@yahoo.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30703	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Wanted: Geep Cab
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30704	From: knockbill	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 660
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30705	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30706	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 925 conversion....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Salt Lake Tribune Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30708	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30709	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2253
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30710	From: knockbill	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Paint color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30711	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Compare
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30712	From: trainman634	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30713	From: trainman634	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30714	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30715	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30716	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30717	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30718	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30719	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: CURVED RUBBER ROAD BED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30720	From: Alex	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30721	From: Alex	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Putt trolleys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30722	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30723	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30724	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30725	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30726	From: uvl97222	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Sound card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30727	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30728	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30729	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30730	From: keefer1	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30731	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: My First York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30732	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2254
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30733	From: dav21248	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 988 Reefer door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30734	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: 988 Reefer door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30735	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: My First York....and the Airlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30736	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: My first York Al Kielek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30737	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: My First York....and the Airlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30738	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: THE BOARD vs. GREENBERG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30740	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30741	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Musings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30742	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Musings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30743	From: knockbill	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30744	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: My First York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30745	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Musings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30746	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30747	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30748	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Friday Dinner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30749	From: waldootten	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30750	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30751	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30752	From: Tim	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30753	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30754	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30755	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30756	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: NMRA special car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30757	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30758	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30759	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30760	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30761	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30762	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: First York and airlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30763	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: My Goodness!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30764	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30765	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: First York and airlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30766	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30767	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: You York Newbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30768	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30769	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30770	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30771	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30772	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: My Goodness!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30773	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30774	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30775	From: David Engle	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30776	From: editor	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30778	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30779	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30780	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: The New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30781	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The Diesel Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30782	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The Diesel Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30783	From: editor	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30784	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: new locos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30785	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30786	From: David Engle	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Room availability for S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30787	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: new locos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30788	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Rates for S Spree Holiday Inn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30789	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30790	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Ol' Timey Locos....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30791	From: geep39	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Oh NO! Those Polls Again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30792	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Oh NO! Those Polls Again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30794	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Corrections to Turn Table Math...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30795	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30796	From: Tomalco Track	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Tomalco Track at S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30797	From: engineer3887	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: New Poll.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30798	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Polls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30799	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains, M1a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30800	From: doug	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30801	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30802	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30803	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: NEW POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30804	From: doug	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30805	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30806	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Polls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30807	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: NEW POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30808	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30809	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30810	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30811	From: J.Haughney@Verizon.net	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Gunderson Husky Stack cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30812	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30813	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30814	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Sick Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30815	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30816	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30817	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30818	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30819	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30820	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Railshops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30821	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30822	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30823	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Tomalco Track at S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30824	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Oil Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30825	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Rai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30826	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30827	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30828	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Railshops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30829	From: knockbill	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30830	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30831	From: editor	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Volume 8, Issue 4 Mails Out!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30832	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30833	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30834	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30835	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30836	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: York finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30837	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Train related, but NOT toy train related.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30838	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30839	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30840	From: knockbill	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re Magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30841	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Tomalco Track at S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30842	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30843	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Don Thomspon Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30844	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thomspon Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30845	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30846	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30847	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30848	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30849	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30850	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30851	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: ATTN : DONALD MUNSEY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30852	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2256
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30853	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30854	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: S-gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30855	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30856	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30857	From: Tim	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Hey!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30858	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30859	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30860	From: roy inman	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30861	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: York finds and the future
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30862	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: TCA, the good and the bad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30863	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Now the bad of TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30864	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Customer Service?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30865	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Movie "The Train" 1964
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30866	From: Tim	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30867	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30868	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30869	From: waldootten	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Pony Express in Chicago!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30870	From: starr007	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30871	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Convention cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30872	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Convention cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30873	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: parts is parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30874	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: The Train Movie & Dreams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30875	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: uork Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30876	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30877	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30878	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30879	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30880	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30881	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30882	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30883	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: got wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30884	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30885	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30886	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30887	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Hey, hey, no broken steps!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30888	From: race944t	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30889	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30890	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30891	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30892	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30893	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30894	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Nice....But FLYER is more fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30895	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Did I win tonight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30896	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS and kisses and ???????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30897	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30898	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30899	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30900	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: SHIPPING COSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30901	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30902	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: A few questions for the experts...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30903	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Rehab projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30904	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: A few questions for the experts...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30905	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30906	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: A few questions for the experts...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30907	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Parts spoken for
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30908	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30909	From: larryasp	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30910	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30911	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30912	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30913	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30914	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Hey, hey, no broken steps!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30915	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30916	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: re Northern performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30917	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Roundhouse & turntable progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30918	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30919	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30920	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] friction trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30921	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] friction trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30922	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30923	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Roundhouse & turntable progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30924	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30925	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30926	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30927	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30928	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30929	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30930	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2265
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30931	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: My first 'steam' armature failure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30932	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] HUGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30933	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: 21130 re-visted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30934	From: carltonlowry	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30935	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30936	From: johntech2004	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Pictures of my Baldwin 355C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30937	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Flickering 660
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30938	From: Tim	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Photo albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30939	From: mkt1992	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Fwd: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30940	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30941	From: jt12313	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Flyer shells wanted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30942	From: jt12313	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: New Flyer baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30943	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: October York Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30944	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Re: October York Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30945	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30946	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30947	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30948	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30949	From: Chris	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Next York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30950	From: Chris	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Future York Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30951	From: uvl97222	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Prewar tool shed :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30952	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Desire new sideframes for AF geeps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30953	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Future York Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30954	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2267
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30955	From: larryasp	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30956	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30957	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: A few novice questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30958	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30959	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: October York Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30960	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30961	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30962	From: Tim	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30963	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30964	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30965	From: Tim	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30966	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: URL update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30967	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30968	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: [MoPac_Modeling] Are you interested in FreeMo?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30969	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30970	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: TRAIN SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30971	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Test Message - Please ignore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30972	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Future York Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30973	From: xitter1224	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30974	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Ace Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30975	From: Tim	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30976	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: How big is OO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30977	From: Gregg	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Future York Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30978	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: brass bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30979	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Upcoming Seattle Events ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30980	From: aglorince	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: am loco clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30981	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Truck bushings Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2269
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30982	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Truck bushings Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2269
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30984	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re OO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30985	From: Karl Raab	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Manufacturers List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30986	From: xitter1224	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30987	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: NASG Freight car database -- call for volunteers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30988	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30989	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30990	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30991	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30992	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30993	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30994	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Puget Sound Events
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30995	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Manufacturers List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30996	From: Tim	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: That's Meeeeee!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30997	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30998	From: nasglibrary	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Mobley Library back on line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 30999	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31000	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31001	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31002	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: 04 S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31003	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Columbus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31004	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Columbus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31005	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] 04 S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31006	From: David Avedesian	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31007	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31008	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Mini Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31009	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31010	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31011	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31012	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31013	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31014	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31015	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31016	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31018	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31019	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Mini Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31020	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Electrical connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31021	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: electrical connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31022	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: electrical connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31023	From: jt12313	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: American Model Baldwin handrails on a Flyer Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31024	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: S Scale N6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31025	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: AM Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31026	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big BoyRe: [S-Trains] Digest Number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31027	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AM Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31028	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Model Baldwin handrails on a Flyer Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31029	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31030	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: AM turnouts-thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31031	From: trainman634	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31032	From: trainman634	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31033	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Electrical connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31034	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Electrical connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31035	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31036	From: Robert Wight	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31037	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31038	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big BoyRe: [S-Trains] Digest N
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31039	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31040	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: eBay item 4146756343 (Ends Apr-28-04 153701 PDT) - SIZE 12 WEDDING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31041	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: New Locomotive polls & New Locomotives for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31042	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31043	From: Tim	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Tanker reclamations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31044	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 4146756343 (Ends Apr-28-04 153701 PDT) - SIZE 12 WEDD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31045	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31046	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: building dimentions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31047	From: Bruce	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: NASG Membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31048	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31049	From: xitter1224	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: building dimentions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31050	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31051	From: Buddy Messinger	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31052	From: Dennis N. Aruta	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31053	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31054	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31055	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: excursion2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31056	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: K-Line S Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31057	From: Tim	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Oh yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31058	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: excursion2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31059	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31060	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31061	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31062	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: excursion2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31063	From: jt12313	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: simple K-line S motive power candidate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31064	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Plymouth DDT Switch Engine finished
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31065	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: simple K-line S motive power candidate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31066	From: Tim	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Plymouth DDT Switch Engine finished
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31067	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale track mesurements... lets get it right!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31068	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: simple K-line S motive power candidate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31069	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Who's Got a Goose..?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31070	From: trainman634	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Weathering SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31071	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31072	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31073	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Update on Mapping Kalamazoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31074	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31075	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2276
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31076	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: K-line S Loco???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-line S Loco???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Classification Yards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31079	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: SHS S-Trax Track For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31080	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Fwd: Fw: do the work of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31081	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Help I D'ing GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31082	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31083	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31084	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Help I D'ing GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31085	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31086	From: Tim	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Oh yeah!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31087	From: nasglibrary	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: NASG Library and the NASG Membership problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31088	From: starr007	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: 334 DC Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31089	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31090	From: Tim	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31091	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31092	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Weathering SHS Track: No But Weathering AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31093	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31094	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Welcome to the Seashore Trolley Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31096	From: doug	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Help I D'ing GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31097	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Lionel's new AF Baldwin Diesels Tune-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31098	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31099	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership... They r working on it....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31100	From: ctbigboy	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: S-Gauge & Scale items for sale on eBay from Gale Irwin's Estate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31101	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Model RRing on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31102	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31103	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: I'm Off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31104	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: 300+!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31105	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Can someone help me?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31106	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31107	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31108	From: Tim	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31109	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Automatic Turnout switching
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31110	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31111	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Rare Find?? Gilbert "Train Sounds" record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31112	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Can someone help me?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31113	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Rare Find?? Gilbert "Train Sounds" record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31114	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Anyone else have a similar experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31115	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: YA ...- Its Called a WORM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31116	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Anyone else have a similar experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31117	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Anyone else have a similar experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31118	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah! - something to crow about...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31119	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31121	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31122	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31123	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31124	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31125	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31126	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31127	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: motor chassis bearing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31128	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31129	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Attn: Manufacturers re: Product of the Week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31130	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31131	From: martyl11	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Locating hobby shoppes in Arizona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31132	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31133	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: motor chassis bearing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31134	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31135	From: Tim	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31136	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31137	From: beebear	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31138	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: 5th wire question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31139	From: jt12313	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: who has bits and pieces for diesels...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31140	From: Dave W	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Metal Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31141	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Metal Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31142	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31143	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Smoke 'em if you got 'em
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31144	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31145	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31146	From: race944t	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31147	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31148	From: waldootten	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31149	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31150	From: wintermutedm	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31151	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31152	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31153	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Only you can prevent forrest fires! A pungent ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31154	From: Bruce	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31155	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31156	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Diesel Sound Generator PA13A870
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31157	From: supersmokebob	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: American Models Smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31158	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: The Polls I created.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31159	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31160	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Only you can prevent forrest fires! A pungent ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31161	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Imfeld GG1's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31162	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Non-Compliant Northerns...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31163	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... Steer around that cow....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31164	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH acronym mean?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31165	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... scale size?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31166	From: Tim	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... Steer around that cow....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31167	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH acronym mean?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31168	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Automatic Turnout switching
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31170	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31171	From: Tim	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Swithc trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31172	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Flyonel/Gilbert interchangeability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31173	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: York thurs nite AF meet group photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31174	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: York APR 2004 Group photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31175	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: York thurs nite AF meet group photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31176	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: 360 PA W/ coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31177	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Whistle Problem!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31178	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Uncle!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31179	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: Whistle Problem!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31180	From: Bruce	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: 360 PA W/ coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31181	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Whistle Problem!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31182	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: whistle problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31183	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: 3rd rail pick-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31184	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Promotions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31185	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: Diesel Sound Generator PA13A870
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31186	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: 360 PA W/ coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31187	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31188	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31189	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Promotions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31190	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Repeat Inquiry: Gilbert Train Sounds Record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31191	From: starr007	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: 593 signal tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31192	From: John Brockmann	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Steam & Diesel Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31193	From: trainman634	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: New collector question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31194	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Up for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31195	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31197	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: New collector question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31198	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31199	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Up for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31200	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31201	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31202	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31203	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31204	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31205	From: kellstar120	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: 21160
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31206	From: jt12313	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear mounting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31207	From: jt12313	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear panel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31208	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31209	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31210	From: Tim	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31212	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear mounting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31213	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: JAPAN 'S'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31214	From: trainman634	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Pennsylvania Railroad Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31215	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: new C&O diesel set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31216	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Gilbert' -342 switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31217	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Gilbert's ERECTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31218	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: a RED CASE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31219	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: pike master set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31220	From: keefer1	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: pike master set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31221	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31222	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Huge sale of Gilbert Flyer S items !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31223	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: HELP WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31224	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: S At Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31225	From: Tim	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Happy, hard 'n shiny wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31226	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Moderator Message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31227	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: ANYONE KNOW???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31229	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: OT - FOR SALE - Non Railroad Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31230	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: On Vacation please remove me from list temporarally
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31231	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: #14 RECTIFORMER TUBE AD FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31232	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31233	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: FOR TRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31234	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: FOR TRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31235	From: trainman634	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31236	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Large Gilbert S & HO Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31237	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: TAMMY & ERIC'S WEDDING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31238	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31239	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31240	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31241	From: keefer1	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31242	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31243	From: Tim	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31244	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31245	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: shop around town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31246	From: John G	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31247	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: HOLIDAY SHOPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31248	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: Happy, hard 'n shiny wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31249	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Restringing a 944 Brownhoist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31250	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Restringing a 944 Brownhoist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31251	From: galy95	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31252	From: Tim	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31253	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31254	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31255	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31256	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Modeling 1900 - 1910 range
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31257	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31258	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31259	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: #336 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31260	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: "Custom Model Railroads" Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31261	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Large S & HO Auction - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31262	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: S Gauge Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31263	From: firex43	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Happy, hard & shiny wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31264	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Happy, hard & shiny wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31265	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: What's on your workbench?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31266	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31268	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Work Bench Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31269	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Work Bench Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31270	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Work Bench Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31271	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Work Bench Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31272	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Flyonel State of Maine Boxcar question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31273	From: Keith O	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: AF 647 947 Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31274	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31275	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Brick Buildings Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31276	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel State of Maine Boxcar question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31277	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31278	From: firex43	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Steel Rivets for 24222
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31279	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: barrells of fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31280	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31281	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31282	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31283	From: Tim	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31284	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31285	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31286	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Foam subroadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31287	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"adly "S"ilently.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"adly "S"ilently.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31289	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31290	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31291	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Racing Champions vs. Hot Wheels '32 Ford
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31293	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: BIcentennial haulers S-SCALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31294	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31295	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Foam subroadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31296	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31297	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31298	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: 470 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31299	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: Re: 470 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31300	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: CAUTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31301	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: '32 Ford repaint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31302	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: Re: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31303	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Back Alleys On the Way
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31304	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: UPDATE: S Online Catalog (Freight & Passenger Cars)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31305	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Ore cars on the PRR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31306	From: editor	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: Foam subroadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31307	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Pretty good layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: (21)234 C&O Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31309	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31310	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31311	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31312	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31313	From: beebear	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31314	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31315	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer For sale List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31317	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31318	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2295
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31319	From: Tim	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2295
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31320	From: waldootten	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: NASG National Convention car photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31321	From: beebear	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: NASG Convention info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31322	From: jt12313	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Flyonel Santa Fe Alcos????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31323	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Not train but had to share
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31324	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Not train but had to share
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31325	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31326	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel Santa Fe Alcos????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31327	From: Tim	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: How big or how many
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31331	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31332	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: WHOS ON FIRST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31335	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31336	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Re: Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31337	From: Tim	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: This forum is a powerful tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31340	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Lionel Eskimo Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31342	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Fw: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31343	From: Dave W	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Flarx? American Myer? Louis Gilbert?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31345	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: UP Northern Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31346	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Re: UP Northern Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31348	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Re: UP Northern Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31349	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Farewell in some ways...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31350	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Fw: Summer Meet Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31351	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31352	From: beebear	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: Please Stand with me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31353	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31354	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/31/2004
Subject: Plaster question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31355	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/1/2004
Subject: Hope everyone had a nice holiday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31356	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/1/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31357	From: aglorince	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: american models "S" clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31358	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: layout plan in MR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31359	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31360	From: ER & JR	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: Thinning out extra S rolling stock (cars for sale)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31361	From: roy inman	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: FW: [MoPac_Modeling] UP Defends Trademarks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31362	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: AF Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31363	From: editor	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: And So it Begins . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31364	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: UNION PACIFIC FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Directions to Atlanta TCA MEET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31366	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Directions to Atlanta TCA MEET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31367	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31368	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31369	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31370	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31371	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA + AF in Maine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31372	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: TRUCK FULL OF AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31373	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: TRUCK FULL OF AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31374	From: roy inman	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] Arrogant Pacific (formerly Union Pacific)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31375	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31376	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31377	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31378	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31379	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31380	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31381	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31382	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31383	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31384	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Back Alley Era
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31385	From: Tim	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31386	From: Tim	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31387	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31388	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Update on Stouts June 12th Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31389	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Lanes Trains Website Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31390	From: Tim	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Nobody got it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31391	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: S Scale Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31392	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: collecting Flyer & Ribbon Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31393	From: David Engle	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Re: collecting Flyer & Ribbon Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31394	From: dfsmith26	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31395	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: ORGANIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31396	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Nobody got it - "It's always something!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31397	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: S-Trains Photo Album URL change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31398	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Flyer Fest West #5 photos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31399	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Flyer Fest West #3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31400	From: Fire Wood	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific alternate model lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31401	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific alternate model lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31402	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31403	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31404	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31406	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Photo Album URL change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31407	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Michael Kolosseus 6/5 train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31408	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Photo Album URL change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31409	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31410	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31411	From: Tim	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31412	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31413	From: wintermutedm	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31414	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Breaking News: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31415	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: Jan Lorenzen's passing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31416	From: hgetrain	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: Breaking News: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31417	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31418	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: [Fwd: vehicles]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31419	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Breaking News ....Here is the article just so you dont have to chas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31420	From: dfsmith26	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31421	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31423	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: ABOUT AMERICAN FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31424	From: Tim	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31425	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: Silly question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31426	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Train maker stole designs, panel says
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31427	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Jan Lorenzen's passing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31428	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31429	From: David Engle	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31430	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 629 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31431	From: Art	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31432	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2. Breaking News: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31433	From: Tim	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: New project pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31434	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: early smoke in boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31435	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 25055 Smoking Caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31436	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 25055 Smoking caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31437	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 25055 Smoking caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31438	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 25055 Smoking Caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31439	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 629 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31440	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: E-7s status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31441	From: waldootten	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Query for Don Thompson et al
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31442	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: FINDING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31443	From: Tim	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: New project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31444	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: New project pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31445	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: Query for Don Thompson et al
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31446	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: E-7s status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31447	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31448	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Last update on Stouts June 12 Auction With AF S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31449	From: David Engle	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31450	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31451	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31452	From: editor	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: JURY AWARDS MTH $40.7 MILLION; SAYS LIONEL BENEFITED FROM STOLEN "T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31453	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31454	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31455	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: L&N Passenger Decals-S Gauge: Are you interested ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31456	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Union Station Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31457	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: "EARLY" Rail-Autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31458	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: Re: "EARLY" Rail-Autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31459	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: New Supply Dock Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31460	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31461	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: please advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31462	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2311
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31463	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: AF Parts Listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31464	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: American Flyer Parts Listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31465	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Union Station Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31466	From: Tim	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Stretch Atlantic update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31467	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31468	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31470	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31471	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31472	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] L&N Passenger Decals-S Gauge: Are you intere
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31473	From: trainman634	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Small Diesel Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31474	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Re: Small Diesel Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31475	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: horn or whistle generator replacement?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31476	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: EP-5 TMCC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31477	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31478	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/14/2004
Subject: Sunday chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/14/2004
Subject: 583 Crane pinion gears , and Oil Drum Loader carts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31480	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31481	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31482	From: Dave Baker	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 type
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31483	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31484	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Rumors of Hank Roos' death are premature...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31485	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31486	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31487	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31488	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Parts Listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31489	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31490	From: James Hannawald	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31491	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31492	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31493	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: Circular Freighthouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31494	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31495	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Converter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31496	From: Fire Wood	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31497	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31498	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 Is an ADRIATIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31499	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31500	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Found - Limited Supply of 2004 Greenberg Price Guides
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31501	From: strain97009	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31502	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Found - Limited Supply of 2004 Greenberg Price Guides
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31503	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Puget Sound 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31504	From: Tim	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Stretch Atlantic project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31505	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: MR Survey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31506	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: 2-6-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31507	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: WHEEL CONFIGURATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31508	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Wheel Configuration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31509	From: Dave Baker	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Scale weight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31510	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale weight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31511	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale weight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31512	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Scale Weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31513	From: Don Abrams	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: What is a 2-6-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31514	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale Weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31515	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 Name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31516	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: scale weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31517	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: Re: scale weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31518	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31519	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31520	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Car webpage update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31521	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31522	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31523	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: NC Rail Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31524	From: editor	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: 2004 'S' Curves Through Chicago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31525	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: My Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31526	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] My Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31527	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: 04 NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31528	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: scale color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31529	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: scale color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31530	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31531	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: scale color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31532	From: jackotrains	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: AF K-4 Pacific Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31534	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop Mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31535	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF K-4 Pacific Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31536	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop Mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31537	From: nasglibrary	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Mobley Library off-line for 10 days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31538	From: roy inman	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby shops on the road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31539	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shop Mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31540	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: A Great Little Hobby Shop!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31541	From: race944t	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Monroeville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: TCA 50th Anniversay National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31543	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31544	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Hobby Shops and other stuff.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31545	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31546	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] Hobby Shop Mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31547	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: coke - JL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31548	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31549	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Heavyweights?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31550	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Heavyweights?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31551	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31552	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: TODAYS MEET....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31553	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: coke - JL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31554	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Heavyweights?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31555	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models Brass S Scale X29 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31556	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Encouraging children to play with model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31557	From: jt12313	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Stude 1/64 PU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31558	From: trainman634	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Gargraves track & A.F. switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31559	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31560	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Happy Father'S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31561	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Re: Gargraves track & A.F. switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31562	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Pitt. Conv....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31563	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Information on PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31564	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Stude 1/64 PU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31565	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: chat tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31566	From: jackotrains	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: New K-Line "S" Diesel & Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31567	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: K-Line Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31568	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Cleaning AF wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31569	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: White crud on Franklin passenger cars and dirty window
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31570	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31571	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31572	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31573	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Boise GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31574	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Movie recommendation; chrome repair?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31575	From: markg24	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31576	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31577	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31578	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31579	From: editor	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: 1/64th-Scale SIG Update!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31580	From: Roger Young	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31581	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Hobby Shops and S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31582	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop S Scale Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31583	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31584	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: 378 plus 52!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31585	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FW: [On30conspiracy] 0 Scale detailing parts question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31586	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: PRS Covered Hopper 4-$ale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31587	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Back Alley Era IS 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31588	From: trainman634	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: A.F. #26770 Manual Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31589	From: roy inman	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FW: Lawsuit Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31590	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FedEx VS UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31591	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: #632 hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: #632 hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31593	From: doug	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: BOSTON AREA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31594	From: jonmarinello@cox.net	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Car webpage update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31595	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Lionel Statement to Dealers ..or ...Lets Read Between the Lines ..L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31596	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: FedEx VS UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31597	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31598	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Cattle Pads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31599	From: aglorince	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31600	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2323
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31601	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Earl Beegle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31602	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: eBay alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31603	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Wood-Sided Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31604	From: jt12313	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Kitbashing Flyonel Baldwin onto a AF Baldwain project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31605	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: NMRA National conventin/show, Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31606	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: A great night out running trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31607	From: rebendever	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: DEBEN LLC: Seeking Quotes for refinishing 1.64th-scale trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31608	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2324
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31609	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31610	From: firex43	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: S Gauge Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31611	From: firex43	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: S Gauge Vehicles by Kinsmart Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31612	From: louis glumac	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31613	From: jt12313	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Hmm. How do you buy X 1/64 cars in bulk?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31614	From: jt12313	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Did flyonel ever produce...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31615	From: doug	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Re: Cattle Pads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31616	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Model !!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31617	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Re: Model !!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31618	From: starr007	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: A.F. All Aboard booklet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31619	From: Richard Nicholls	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: S-gauge in Fort Myers, Florida?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31621	From: trombonelover1	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: Has any one ever put a smoke unit in a Flyer GP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31622	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Express Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31623	From: Bradley	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets Booklet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31624	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: New Photo Gallery Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31625	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: SHS container arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31626	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31627	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31628	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Continued : Wood Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31629	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Continued : Wood Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31630	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Sneak Peak of Back Alley 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31631	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: TCA National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31632	From: Kevin McLaughlin	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: No. 14 Rectiformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31633	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fwd: Model train fans steaming mad at UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: No. 14 Rectiformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31635	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31636	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31637	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31638	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fw: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31639	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models REA X29
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31640	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31641	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: TCA National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31642	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: NASG Brick Building Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31643	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Back Alley 2 Done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31644	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: "S-Gauge Model Railroading" on DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31645	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Window construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31646	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31647	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: SouthWind Models Decapod?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31648	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2330
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31649	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31650	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Alley Extension
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31651	From: race944t	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: 332 S.I.T.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31652	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: American High Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31653	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: The Polar Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31654	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: Re: 332 S.I.T.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31655	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: Re: American High Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31657	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Seattle or Bust!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31658	From: Robert Boring	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004 - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31659	From: Roger Meekhof	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Update & MTH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31660	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31661	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Re: PITT TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31662	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Turnout component
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31663	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Publicity Coup For S Scale & SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31664	From: just ask	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: a problem with a 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31665	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Re: a problem with a 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31666	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Wanted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Update & MTH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31668	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Why is this listing getting bid so high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31669	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Why is this listing getting bid so high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31670	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Boiler Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31671	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Boiler Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31672	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Why is this listing getting bid so high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31674	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: S Scale Brass Airslide Hopper 1965 Late Version Item number: 590787
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31675	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Why is this listing getting bid so high--the answers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31676	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Boiler Screw post repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31677	From: Bruce	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Questions about repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31678	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31679	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31680	From: Bruce	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31681	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31682	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31683	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: EBAY #971 SP Lumber Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31684	From: beebear	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: Re: EBAY #971 SP Lumber Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31685	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: Gilbert Flyer available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31686	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Return of the Bert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31687	From: michaeltkolosseus	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31688	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Superelevation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31689	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31690	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: Superelevation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31691	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31692	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31693	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31694	From: mkolosseus@att.net	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31695	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: NEW K-LINE ENGINE????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31696	From: Phillip Sewell	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: AF for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31697	From: roy inman	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Cold heat soldering gun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31698	From: waldootten	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: Superelevation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31699	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Fwd: Welcome to the TopDepo.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31700	From: Fire Wood	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Cold heat soldering gun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31701	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: parking spot needed at Puget Sound NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31702	From: roy inman	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re:Cold heat soldering gun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31703	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Re: Cold heat soldering gun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31704	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Superelevation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31705	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Barb Contact me please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31706	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31707	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31708	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31709	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31710	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Details, dents, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31711	From: strain97009	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31712	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: The New Steam Poll- Version 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31713	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Back Alley 2 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31714	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Ore car report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31715	From: starr007	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Ertl Farm Country County Fair Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31716	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Got me an AF Alco,...FINALLY!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31717	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31718	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Re: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31719	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Creating realistic rivets on various model medium surfaces-plastic,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31720	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Re: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31721	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31722	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Drop in Low speed Modification to AF power trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31723	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Great American Train Show in Orlando July31/August1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31724	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Wisconsin hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31725	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Gilbert Flyer Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31726	From: biglou2_99	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: switches/cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31727	From: David Engle	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Re: switches/cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31728	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: My Idea on rivits.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31729	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31730	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31731	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: My Idea on rivits.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31732	From: Gilbert Henke	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: new poll for S-trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31733	From: firex43	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: AF PA Shell Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31734	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: new poll for S-trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31735	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: Great American Train Show in Orlando July31/August1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31736	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Additional postwar Flyer available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31737	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Summer 20% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31738	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Success in Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31739	From: nasglibrary	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31740	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: wants
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31741	From: carltonlowry	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Gats Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31742	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: NMRA convention is Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31743	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31744	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide first Anniversary
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31745	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31746	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31747	From: Hall G	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S in Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31748	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: tinplate flatcar url
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31749	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31750	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Set value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31751	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31752	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31753	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: S in Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31754	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31755	From: Robert Boring	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31756	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: switches/cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31757	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31758	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: A fun Sunday it will be!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31759	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: 4611 set value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31760	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31761	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31762	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Set Information Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31763	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Re: Set Information Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31764	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Tom Gould -email me again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31765	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set Information Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31766	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: S stuff for sale and giveaway part 4.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31767	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Set Identified
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31768	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set Identified
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31769	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Set with 21130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31770	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31771	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set with 21130
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31772	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Puget Sound NASG Regional
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31773	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31774	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Other 21130 Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31775	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31776	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: chat line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31777	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: AF sales list updated 7/15 now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31778	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: National Train Show and Puget Sound Regional
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31779	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: S-Train list members @ GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31780	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31781	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31782	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31783	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31784	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Flyer Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31785	From: hgetrain	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31786	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: That Dewey fella just NEVER stops working!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: My new Plasticville addition.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31788	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31789	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: That Dewey fella just NEVER stops working!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31790	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31791	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Former C&NW Passenger Cars - Soon to be on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31792	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: AC Gilbert may be over rated.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31793	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert may be over rated.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31794	From: John Brockmann	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31795	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Fw: RMD Summer Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31796	From: John Gibson	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: OT: S-Scale list - anyone know why its down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31797	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31798	From: Paul	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: United States Patent and Trademark Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31799	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31800	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: K line Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31801	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31802	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31803	From: Paul	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31804	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: eBay Sniping - delete if you are not interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31805	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping - delete if you are not interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31806	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: AM items for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31807	From: geep39	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Poll results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31808	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pre war 1/64 3 Rail AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31809	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: TRAINS ON HISTORY CHANNEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31810	From: Paul	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pictures from the WA shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31811	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pictures from the WA shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31812	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Looking for Omnicon Pennsy L1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31813	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Old magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31814	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/23/2004
Subject: Re: Pre war 1/64 3 Rail AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31815	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31816	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Mail Bags& Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31817	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31818	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31819	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31820	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31821	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Nesquik Tanker Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31822	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] TTEX Long Runner TOFC cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31823	From: Lance McCold	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modelling Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31824	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: good prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31825	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Bags and Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31826	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31827	From: roy inman	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Help!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31828	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Re: Help!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31829	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: S/Sn3 Modelling Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31830	From: velapoldi	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Help!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31831	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31832	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: 20% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31833	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31834	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Additional postwar and modern Flyer items available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31835	From: roy inman	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMILL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31836	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: CHUCK in ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31837	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31838	From: velapoldi	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31839	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31840	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Fixed Link To Walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31841	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: dollar tree stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31842	From: roy inman	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31843	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Upcoming trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31844	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: dollar tree stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31845	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: still downsizing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31846	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: EBAY NOMA Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31847	From: Bill Lange	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Custom Closed Frog S-Trax Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31848	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31849	From: roy inman	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31850	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Closed Frog S-Trax Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31851	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: wooden roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31852	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: wooden roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31853	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31854	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: wooden roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31855	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: wooden roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31856	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31857	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: No. 7 Turnouts - When are they due ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31858	From: race944t	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: St Louis happenings??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31859	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: NIAGRIA FALLS, N Y
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31860	From: firex43	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: 21140 Tender Steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31861	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: STOLEN TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31862	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: STOLEN TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31863	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: STOLEN TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31864	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31865	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: UPDATE-STOLEN CIRCUS SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31866	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Rubber roadbed questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31867	From: jackotrains	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31868	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Rubber roadbed questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31869	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31870	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: 1929 Ford Model A Police Car....on the silly side.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31872	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Roy's Surgery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31873	From: mijoda52@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: banking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31874	From: vickiec40403	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: Diesel Armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31875	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: There's no place like home!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31876	From: trainman634	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: K-Line S - Gauge Freight Car Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31877	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31878	From: thortrains1@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: S Paper Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31879	From: jt12313	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: New Flyonel selections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31880	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: trade or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31881	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Trade update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31882	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: banking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31883	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: There's no place like home!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31884	From: Chris	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Burlington Zephyr???????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31885	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: banking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31886	From: jt12313	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31887	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Burlington Zephyr -- the good and bad news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31888	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31889	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31890	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31891	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: So much for customer service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31892	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: MRN Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31893	From: roy inman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] So much for customer service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31894	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: Stolen Trains recovered!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31895	From: roy inman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: CGW cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31896	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Banta Modelworks Detail part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31897	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: CGW cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31898	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: So much for customer service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31899	From: trombonelover1	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: The Current Steam Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: The Current Steam Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31901	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Customer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31902	From: editor	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31903	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31904	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Mail Check
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31905	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] So much for customer service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31906	From: roy inman	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Customer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31907	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Customer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31908	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: NASG last week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31909	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: "scenery"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31910	From: Bruce	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: New Santa Fe stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31911	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: What is the big deal about the new Santa Fe Lionel Stuff ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31912	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: banking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31913	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Double Decker Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31914	From: Paul Swartz	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Train Layout Designs and Cad Programs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31915	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31916	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: S-scale Brick Walls and Detail Parts Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31917	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Re: What is the big deal about the new Santa Fe Lionel Stuff ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31918	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Re: New Santa Fe stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31919	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: S-Suupliers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31920	From: roy inman	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Suupliers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31921	From: trainman634	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: LTI/AF Freight Car Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31922	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: LTI/AF Freight Car Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31923	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: NASG convention & John Foley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31924	From: moula1313	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Beginning restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31925	From: waldootten	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Closure on Customer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31926	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: The excitment of railroading!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31927	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2365
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31928	From: trainman634	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31929	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31930	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: Beginning restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31931	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Lionel Road Names take for ever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31932	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: kids and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31933	From: knockbill	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: train meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31934	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Station Toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31935	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Station Toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31936	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: beginning restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31937	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: New S-friendly Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31938	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31939	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31940	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: New S-friendly Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31941	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31942	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Josh Seltzer Website award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31943	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: New S-friendly Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31944	From: jackotrains	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: New Flyer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31945	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31946	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31947	From: race944t	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: St Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31948	From: Neil Becker	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: TrainTracker 5.5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31950	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: NIGERIA FALLS, N Y
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31951	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: for Carl Byron
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31952	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: New Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31953	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: motoring a tender for 944 crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31954	From: roy inman	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Streamlined passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31955	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31957	From: doug	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: TrainTracker 5.5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31958	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: motoring a tender for 944 crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31959	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: motoring a tender for 944 crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31960	From: geep39	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31961	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: CTT ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31962	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31963	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: CTT Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31964	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: NASG last week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31965	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31966	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31967	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] CTT ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31968	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31969	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31970	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: MR 05 Great Model RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31971	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside ...and Smitty returns! ..and more.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31972	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31973	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31974	From: geep39	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Locomotive Poll--How About....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31975	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Bulbs in switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31976	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31977	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31978	From: roninscho9	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Lionel AF / dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31979	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: New AF, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31980	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31981	From: keefer1	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Exploding box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31982	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: S Scale Overland NYC J3 Hudson for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31983	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: My split up, and what it means
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31984	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: My split up, and what it means
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31985	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31986	From: keefer1	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: My split up, and what it means
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31987	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Lionel/AF Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31988	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Light bulbs in a 720 (was R: Question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31989	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31990	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31991	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31992	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Newer AF trucks....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31993	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Hallmark's Harley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31994	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31995	From: gma427@integrity.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: SHS Heavyweights/Scott Brown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31996	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Light bulbs in a 720 (was R: Question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31997	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: old street cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31998	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Bad Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 31999	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Jon Armstrong's Passing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32000	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: SHS new SW-9s available for ordering on showcaseline.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32001	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Lucky find!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32002	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lucky find!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32003	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Hallmark's Harley photos.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32004	From: doug	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Blatant adv: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32005	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: S Scale roller test bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32006	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: ITP and Arch Bar Trucks (Off Topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32007	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Re: ITP and Arch Bar Trucks (Off Topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32008	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32009	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: The Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32010	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Re: The Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32011	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32012	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: S Websites?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32013	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32014	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: :SHS new SW-9s (and an update on the 2-8-0)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32015	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32016	From: David Avedesian	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Naples and Barb...... Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32018	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32019	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Naples and Barb...... Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32020	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32021	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32022	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32023	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32024	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32025	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Fw: 21145
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32026	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32027	From: starr007	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32028	From: keefer1	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: GABE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32029	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32030	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Good News for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32031	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: AF Trucks complaint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32032	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32033	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: AM passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32034	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Complaints about American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32035	From: keefer1	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: john 316
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32036	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32037	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Alley Dock Update Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32038	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: off-topic steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32039	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Hurricane Charley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32040	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32041	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Track Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32042	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.Com is Back in Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32043	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32044	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Link Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32045	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32046	From: waldootten	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Tom Foley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32047	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Foley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32048	From: Paul & Irene Overmyer	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Lionel e-unit part number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32049	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel e-unit part number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32050	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Foley?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32051	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Complaints about American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32052	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: great stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32053	From: roy inman	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] great stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32054	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Carl's Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32055	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: [showcase line] Track Questions (flanges)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32056	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: [showcase line] Track Questions (flanges)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32057	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32058	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: Pine Canyon Kit 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32059	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32060	From: myflyertrains	Date: 8/19/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Charley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32061	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: SHS 15th Anniversary Sale and Celebration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32062	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Mea apologia, mea culpa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32063	From: roy inman	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Frisco 4-8-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32064	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2377
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32065	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32066	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32067	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32068	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32069	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: More SElling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32070	From: Hannon	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Digest Number 2380 - Model Engineering Works Contact Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32071	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: NASG Dispatch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32072	From: editor	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32073	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG Dispatch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32074	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Books and Mags - For Sale (S-Gauge Herald)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32075	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Burgled!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32076	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: New track cleaning car available.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32077	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Re: New track cleaning car available.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32078	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Detail Parts Avert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32079	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Track cleaning car follow up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: To the "chat" group.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32081	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Volume 2 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32082	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Volume 2 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32083	From: garydmccullah	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32084	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32085	From: atlantic300	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: AF Penn Dutch Boxcar/Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32086	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Christmas Tree Base
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32087	From: trainman634	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Relettering New Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32088	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: John Hustor Cars and K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32089	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32090	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32091	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: 360 Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32092	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Commemorative car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32093	From: Hannon	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2382 - MEW Address Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32094	From: Paul	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: State Abbreviations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32095	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Penn Dutch and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32096	From: dfsmith26@att.net	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32097	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32098	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: FS plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32099	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32100	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: AF Penn Dutch Boxcar/Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32101	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Showcase Line Internet Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32102	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32103	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Relettering New Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32104	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Relettering New Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32105	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: S Scale NYC J3 Hudson for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32106	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Building an Elevated Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32107	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Docksiders, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32108	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Docksiders, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32109	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: stolen photo update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32110	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32111	From: jackotrains	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32112	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32113	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32114	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32115	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Fwd: S Dealer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32116	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fwd: S Dealer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32117	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: what I got? and what I don't got
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32118	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Detector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32119	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32120	From: waldootten	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32121	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Discontinued Kits Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32122	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2385
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32123	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2383
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32124	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: New Ohio hobby shop with S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32125	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Green Pullmans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32126	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32127	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32128	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] DCC Sound for 2-8-0 (was Re: SHS Internet Specia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32129	From: doug	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: what I got? and what I don't got
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32130	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32131	From: Dave W	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Corgi Brit streetcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32132	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Off-topic (mostly for Bill Tefts, but also for the Sun. Chat group)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32134	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32135	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32136	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32137	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32138	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32139	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32140	From: trainman634	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: Lionel B&O Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32141	From: editor	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: "Welcome to the 1:64 scale Modeling Guide magazine On-Line! " )blat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32142	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32143	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: Announce Photo Gallery Space Available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32144	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: K335 Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32145	From: beebear	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Hello All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32146	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel B&O Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32147	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: Hello All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32148	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: K335 Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32149	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32150	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: 1 day left S Scale brass NYC Hudson for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32151	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: S Scale Loco Supply Kit for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32152	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: elevated loop structure supports
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32153	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: postwar Peabody Hopper with KCs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32154	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32155	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32156	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32157	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32158	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: To the chat group...and other BBQers.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32159	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32160	From: Paul	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Auction Winners - Still some left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32161	From: Alex	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32162	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32163	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: "Never put things off"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32164	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] DCC Sound for 2-8-0 (was Re: SHS Internet Specia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32165	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32167	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32168	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32169	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Farewell, Tom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32170	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32171	From: Paul	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32172	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Tom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32173	From: beechcricker	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32174	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32175	From: firex43	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger & Big Boy Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32176	From: firex43	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32177	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Photo of Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32178	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2390
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32179	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: LAST CALL: 2004 Lionel Book 2 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32180	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32181	From: Bill Lange	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32182	From: waldootten	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: What few knew about Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32183	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32184	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32185	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Alley Dock Update Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32186	From: knockbill	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32187	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Drive Wheel Shorting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32188	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Still Hanging In There
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32189	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32190	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32191	From: Hannon	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho And His Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32192	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32193	From: John G	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32194	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Thank You All So Much
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32195	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32196	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: "Playing with Trains" by Sam Posey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32197	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32198	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: "Playing with Trains" by Sam Posey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32199	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32200	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Iowa Trolley Park and Iowa Traction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32201	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: 2004 American Flyer Pre-order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32202	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Erector Set parts and Francis Usinski of Lawtons, NY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32203	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32204	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Information Request on Set 20175
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32205	From: pmcelroy	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: Information Request on Set 20175
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32206	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: Information Request on Set 20175
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32207	From: Bill Lange	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32208	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: OLD POST.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32209	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32210	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32211	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Stolen document
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32213	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32214	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2392
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32215	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: My condolences.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32216	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32217	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32218	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32219	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32220	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32221	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Microsoft Train Simulator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32222	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32223	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32224	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32225	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: hurricanes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32226	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32227	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32228	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32229	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32230	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricanes Rule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32231	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricane Francis ugh - link to photos of 1st damage at my house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32232	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricane Frances
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32233	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Frances
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32234	From: John G	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Francis ugh - link to photos of 1st damage at my house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32235	From: atlantic300	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32236	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32237	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/6/2004
Subject: Re: spell checker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32239	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: Still Selling Trains in the Atfermath of Charley, Frances, and.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32240	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke Out of Commission
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32241	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: K335 Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32242	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: S-Trains list members now over 900 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32243	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: AM S scale DC F-7 SP Diesel for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32244	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Kancali Rubber Brick Sheets - Manufacturer's Answer Re Question Abo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32245	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Frances Aftermath
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32246	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Modern S trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32247	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Auction Winners - Still some left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32248	From: Paul	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Mags - Auction s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32249	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] All-Star Electric Trains of the 1950s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32250	From: Paul	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Bugging Out!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32251	From: editor	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Last Call for 2004 Convention photos -- NMRA, NASG & Santa Clara NG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32252	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Re: More Reefer blatant advertising.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32253	From: Alan Evans	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Covered gondolas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32254	From: waldootten	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Transportation thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32255	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: Jet Transport Container Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32256	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: AZ 18; MT 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32257	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32258	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32259	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: convention car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32260	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32261	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: FS road race set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32262	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: Holy Hot Wheels Batman!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32263	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: Re: convention car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32264	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: New SHS Internet Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32265	From: sjtewks	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32266	From: supersmokebob	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: GARGRAVES TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32267	From: EGesner52@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2398
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32268	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: japan s-gage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32269	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: PHASING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32270	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32271	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Modjule's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32272	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: AF train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32273	From: trainman634	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: SHS American Flyer wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32274	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: track,and other notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32275	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32276	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32277	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Can't get to Chat site!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32278	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHS American Flyer wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32279	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2403
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32280	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32281	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: power units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32282	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Please reconnect me to the S-list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32283	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Canoes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32284	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Brand new South Winds Models 2-8-0 loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32285	From: keefer1	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: collectorauctions.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32286	From: editor	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32287	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: scale radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32288	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Re: AF train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32289	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2404
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32290	From: trainman634	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32291	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: japan-s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32292	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32293	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32294	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2405
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32295	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2405
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32296	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers 23rd Annual Fall Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32297	From: jt12313	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Showcase Rock switcher and caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32298	From: jt12313	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: mixing track varieties...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32299	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: mixing track varieties...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32300	From: race944t	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Collectorauctions spoof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32301	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Collectorauctions spoof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32302	From: butchclimax	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Over the gap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32303	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special just posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32304	From: roninscho9	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: re docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32305	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: trucks for the Kaslo N5c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32306	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: YORK PARTIE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!! "S" LIST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32307	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Re.: Dockside switcher.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32308	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Wiring diagrams for 325 and 335 locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32309	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32310	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Re: YORK PARTIE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!! "S" LIST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32311	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: An O convert to S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32312	From: Greg	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Great Scale Model Train & All American Hi-Rail & Collectors Train S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32313	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: CJSS 23rd Fall Get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32314	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Changes at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32315	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32316	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32317	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32318	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: imixing track varieties...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32319	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32320	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Help! Bidders needed!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32321	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell some SHS switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32322	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32323	From: butchclimax	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: "Hard Times Hit Oiltown"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32324	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32325	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Detail Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32326	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: 23rd CJSS Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32327	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32328	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32329	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: I'm gonna be late for chat!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32330	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2408
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32331	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: B&O Mikado set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32332	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: 2004 Fall S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32333	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel Massacre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32334	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: trainMinder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32335	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: trainMinder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32336	From: roy inman	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel Massacre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32337	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32338	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32339	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: 360 Shell?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32340	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: NASG Heavy Weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32341	From: luchocastrope	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: Huge American Flyer Set for sail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32342	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: Idaho Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32343	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Essex CT. Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Re: www.trainminder.com-Steven S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32345	From: beebear	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Trains In Danbury, CT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32346	From: jay stevens	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: Essex Steam Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32347	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: Trains In Danbury, CT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32348	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32349	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32350	From: waldootten	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: 2004 NASG Convention car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32351	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 NASG Convention car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32352	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: S Scale Roller Test Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32353	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: Re: Essex Steam Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32354	From: firex43	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: Shops in Connecticut, R.R. Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32355	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32356	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32357	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Re: Shops in Connecticut, R.R. Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32358	From: beechcricker	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32359	From: trainman634	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Small space trackplan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32360	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Train Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32361	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32362	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: University of New Haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: University of New Haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32364	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32365	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32366	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32367	From: jt12313	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Looking for another baldwin shell + new Baldwin parts swaping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32368	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A.C.Gilbert Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32369	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Small space track plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32370	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32371	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: ACG Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32372	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32373	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Hurricane Jeanne
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32374	From: beechcricker	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: A. C. Gilbert New Haven, CT Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32375	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Hurricane Jeanne
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32376	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Jeanne
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32377	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32378	From: dphobbies@earthlink.net	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Very, Very Blatant Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32379	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32380	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32381	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Very, Very Blatant Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32382	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Kaslo Shops S Scale N5c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32383	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Large Narrow Gauge Power in Sn42 - bashed SD7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32384	From: race944t	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32385	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke predicament
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32386	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32387	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32388	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32389	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32390	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance - myflyertrains guide to Yor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32391	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32392	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32393	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance - myflyertrains guide to Yor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32394	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32395	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32396	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32397	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Remember ....?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32398	From: dvprc	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: train chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32399	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Hope all is well out there, I've lost email service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32400	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: train chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32401	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Remember ....?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32402	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: train chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32403	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Earthquakes!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32404	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32405	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32406	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Pictures and report from CJSS Fall Get-together on SHS site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32407	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32408	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32409	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Pictures and report from CJSS Fall Get-together on SHS site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32410	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32411	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32412	From: Paul	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Back to Trains - Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32413	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: scenery and its generating mechanisms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32414	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Earthquake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32415	From: firex43	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Places to Eat While in the York, PA, Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32416	From: T Larson	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: RC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32417	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Thursday Dinner in York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32418	From: Hannon	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32419	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: I'm OK, still no email.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32420	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32421	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Florida Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32422	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32423	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32424	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32425	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32426	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: I'm new here...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32427	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: I'm new here...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32428	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Part Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32429	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32430	From: starr007	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Salt Lake City, Utah
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32431	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32432	From: race944t	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: York Registration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32433	From: race944t	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: York Registration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32434	From: roy inman	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: FW: S gauge track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32435	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: S gauge track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32436	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: For those seeking info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32437	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Welcome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32438	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32439	From: jt12313	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Hey polpolk!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32440	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: 634 to 646
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32441	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Lou from WV ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32442	From: race944t	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Cold Heat soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32443	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32444	From: roy inman	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cold Heat soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32445	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32446	From: woodster358	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: NASG American Flyer rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32447	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: NEW TOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32448	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: NASG American Flyer rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32449	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Train related ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32450	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: New AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32451	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: AF Naughty and Nice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32452	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: 919 CB&Q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32453	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32454	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] S Gaugers+
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32455	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: 919 CB&Q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32456	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: Train related ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32457	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Fabled cold heat soldering irons.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32458	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32459	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fabled cold heat soldering irons.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32460	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32461	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: NASG American Flyer rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32462	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fabled cold heat soldering irons and other scams on tv
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32463	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: 2004 NASG General Electric Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32464	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: more cold soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32465	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32466	From: roy inman	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons and other scams on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32467	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32468	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Newbie has idea...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Re: Newbie has idea...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: On30 stuff....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32472	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2423
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32473	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Anybody have an update on K-Line Big Boy S Conversion?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32474	From: keefer1	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: DUCK !!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32475	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Greenberg books
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32476	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Greenberg books
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32477	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Greenberg books
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32478	From: firex43	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: K-Line Big Boy Conversion by BLW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy Conversion by BLW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32480	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32481	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32482	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Caution: Blatant attempt to sell extra S stuff.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32483	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32484	From: G Nichol	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Need original 336 Ornamental Steam Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32485	From: waldootten	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: Need original 336 Ornamental Steam Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32486	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: AF list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32487	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question -Follow up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32488	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: 1959 Defender Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32489	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: 1959 Defender Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32490	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32491	From: jt12313	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: trouble shooting Baldwin motor kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32492	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: trouble shooting Baldwin motor kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32493	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Re: Northern whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32494	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Sad news from Chicagoland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32495	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Better than a duck-under, I think
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32496	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Ooops! Try this link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32497	From: Paul	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Better than a duck-under, I think
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32498	From: race944t	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: York Tables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32499	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Final York Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32500	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: problems/thansk for listening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32501	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: S GAUGERS AT YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32502	From: jt12313	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: re-engined Baldwin still will not go:(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32503	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32504	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32505	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: Track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32506	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32507	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: problems/thansk for listening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32508	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: For those of you who like to sit and play with Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32509	From: editor	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: 1:64 Brand New in the Box Hartoy AHL including Special Beer Series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32510	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: York---blatant adv.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32511	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: "Emperor of the North"....train movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32512	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Blatant advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32513	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Huster cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32516	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: "Emperor of the North"....train movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32517	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re;Emperor of the North...train movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32518	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: York---blatant adv.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32519	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: Re;Emperor of the North...train movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32520	From: knockbill	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32521	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: S Scale in Model Railroading Publications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32522	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32523	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32524	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: haloween fun!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32525	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: WOW ITS A 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32526	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: what time is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32527	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32528	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32529	From: waldootten	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: Turnout targets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32530	From: Paul	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: S-Trains list administration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32531	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: Re: Swithc targets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32532	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: What I did on my weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32533	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: Ross Custom Switches in "S" Gauge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32534	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: New track cleaning car by "S-'n-S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32535	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHS more blatant.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32536	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32537	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32538	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby on Tour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32539	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32540	From: fiantoni	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Can someone provide description of track types?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32541	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32542	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Last SHS Internet Special of this series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32543	From: Paul	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Track and Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32544	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32545	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: York October Badges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32546	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32547	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Interesting Train Movie - Other Men's Wives - Anyone else seen it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32548	From: David Engle	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: Interesting Train Movie - Other Men's Wives - Anyone else seen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32549	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Track Types
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - 29th Annual Fall S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32551	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Flyer loco questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32553	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Flyer Loco questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32554	From: John G	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32555	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32556	From: trzp1800	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32557	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32558	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Stumpy's Flyer Loco Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32559	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: AC or DC power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32560	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: AC or DC power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32561	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Coaling Facilities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32562	From: keefer1	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: ebay related spam (or scam)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32563	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32564	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: BACK......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32565	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: Ross Custom Switches in "S" Gauge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32566	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32567	From: roy inman	Date: 10/18/2004
Subject: Plasticville coaling station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32568	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] St Louis Train Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32569	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] St Louis Train Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32570	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Brick Paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32571	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York and Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32572	From: waldootten	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Deep discounting -- get 'em while they're hot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32573	From: waldootten	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: SHS display photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32574	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32575	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32576	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32577	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York - Attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32578	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Attendance @York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32579	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32580	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: York - Attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32581	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: York Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32582	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32583	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Attendance @York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32584	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York - Attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32585	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32586	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32587	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32588	From: knockbill	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Thoughts on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32589	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32590	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32591	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32592	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32593	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: NASG PULLMANS start shipping today!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32594	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32595	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: More York Musings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32596	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: New Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32597	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: bricks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32598	From: jt12313	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Paint stripping with alcohol...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32599	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32600	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: I'm Back..... Part 2.... The rest of the story!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32601	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32602	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32603	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32604	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32605	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32606	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32607	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32608	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32609	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32610	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32611	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32612	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32613	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32614	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2440
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32615	From: race944t	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2440
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32617	From: doug	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: 785
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32618	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32619	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: The Pikemaster steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32620	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: attendance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32621	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Membership Loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32622	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Fwd: Model Railroad Month Proclamation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32623	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - 29th Annual Fall S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32624	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32625	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32626	From: race944t	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Neuse River Valley Model RR Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32627	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32628	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32629	From: waldootten	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Thoughts on York and train sales in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32630	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re;Membership loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32631	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32632	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32633	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Junk!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32634	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32636	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re; York & train shows in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32637	From: waldootten	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Re; York & train shows in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32638	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32639	From: knockbill	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: York Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32640	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32641	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32642	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: New photos of MCRRR 18 at my album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32643	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Junk at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32644	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32645	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32646	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32647	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32649	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441 - Ttandance - hobby membership status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32650	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Junk at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32651	From: waldootten	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32652	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Game Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32653	From: knockbill	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Junk at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32654	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32655	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32656	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report - good tips for cheap packing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32657	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32658	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32659	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: SHS--K-Line trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32660	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: SHS trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32661	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32662	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32663	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk / My very short trip report...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32664	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: October 2004 Gilbert Get-together - Photo Album Posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32665	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32666	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2443
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32667	From: race944t	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32668	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Game Train!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32669	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32670	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32671	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Mr Houda
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32672	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32673	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32674	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32675	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk vs. Collectable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32676	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk vs. Collectable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32677	From: Lori	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32678	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: prices of train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32679	From: waldootten	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Prices of train sets revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32680	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Junk vs. Collectable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32681	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: future of model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32682	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] future of model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32683	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] future of model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32684	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Track planning software for Mac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32685	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: future of model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32686	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Junk vs. Collectable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32687	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Amazing York Booty(goodies not butts!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32688	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: SCAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32689	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2444
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32690	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Kids and Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32691	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Junk & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32692	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Listen to your trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32693	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Thanks to Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32694	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Junk vs. Collectable...again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32695	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Train prices leveling off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32696	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Ooops! Train prices leveling off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32697	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Train prices leveling off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32698	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Train prices leveling off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32699	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: New projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32700	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: AF #714 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32701	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: New projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32702	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: New projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32703	From: waldootten	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32704	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: More rehabs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32705	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: Scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32706	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: AF #714 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32707	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Fuel Depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32708	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: I'm so confused.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32709	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: G&M Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32710	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF #718 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32711	From: T Larson	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: RC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32712	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: I'm so confused.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32713	From: D Stoll	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Semaphore button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32714	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32715	From: firex43	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Wanted: K-Line FDNY Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32716	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Running old AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32717	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Paint remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32718	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2447
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32719	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: A.F.900 Series BC's in CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32720	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Tuscan NASG Pullmans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32721	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32722	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Back to junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32723	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Back to junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32724	From: dvprc	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: chamelion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32725	From: jt12313	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: S friendly shops in KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32726	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S friendly shops in KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32727	From: Phil K	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32728	From: Lori	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32729	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32730	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32731	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: 24566 car carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32732	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32733	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32734	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32735	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32736	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Caution Trainroom Cleaning (Stuff for Sale)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32737	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Figure 8's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32738	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: beautiful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32739	From: Paul	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Warning! - verif‮noitaci‬ pro‮ec‬ss - Scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32740	From: Gregg	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: TM Videos - S layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32741	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: S - figures, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32743	From: Bruce	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Bits and Pieces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32744	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Here ...GOOSEY >>GOOSEY >>...# 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32745	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Goosey Goosey,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32746	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32747	From: jt12313	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: More junk to jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32748	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: For more on the goose & pictures....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32749	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Fw: Cold Heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32750	From: roy inman	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Fw: Cold Heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32751	From: Phil K	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Fall S Fest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32752	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32753	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32754	From: andrew_klarmann	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: 644 Green Boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32755	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32756	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32757	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32758	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Engine Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32759	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32760	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32761	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re Engine Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32762	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32763	From: Paul	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32764	From: roy inman	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32765	From: race944t	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Junk & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32766	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: GE Genesis Locomotive Plans sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32767	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Atlanta Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32768	From: jaytewilli	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Flyer Decal Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32769	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA 1994 YorkRail Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32770	From: Al Kielek	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Decal Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32771	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32772	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32773	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: CIRCUS SET SPOOF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32774	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32776	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Steel Coil Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32777	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32778	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: engine slow forward and fast backwards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32779	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32780	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32781	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32782	From: G Nichol	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32783	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32784	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32785	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Operating car conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32786	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32787	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Turnout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32788	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32789	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2453
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32790	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32791	From: Gregg	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: WNYSSA 2005 AF/S Calendars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32792	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Fall S-Fest report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32793	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Apologies to Don Thompson and SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32794	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: eBay scams continue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32795	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] HO HO NO NO GO "S"!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32797	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32798	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: First time for me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32799	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32800	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: whats Black TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32801	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: whats Black TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32802	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: whats Black TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32803	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Before and after
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Before and after
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32805	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Bad link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32806	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32807	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: American High Rail Burlington Zephyr info+
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32808	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: American Hi-Rail / R. Tom Hodgson info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32809	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Passenger car help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32810	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Pine Canyon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32811	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Real helpfull site for Train Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32812	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32814	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Modeling Guide V8 I6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32815	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re.Passenger car help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32816	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re;Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32817	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: American Hi-Rail photos now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32818	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: access
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32819	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: AF trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32820	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: Have yeah?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32821	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: A>F> HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32822	From: stepdad56	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: access
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32823	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: A>F> HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32824	From: stepdad56	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: Junk & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32825	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32826	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: S-Fest Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32827	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Heard a nasty rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32828	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Heard a nasty rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32829	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: More on Lionel vs. MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32830	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Correct Trees for Christmas Tree Flat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32831	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Sorry, trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32832	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Third times a charm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32833	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32834	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32835	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32836	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: injection molding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32837	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32838	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32839	From: hgetrain	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Lionel vs. MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32840	From: Jerry	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Third times a charm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32841	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32842	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32843	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32844	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32845	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Runners and sprues,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32846	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail photos now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32847	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32848	From: geep39	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: November Railroad Model Craftsman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32849	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32850	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32851	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32852	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32853	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32854	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Apologies to Don Thompson and SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32855	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Legal Questions Raised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32856	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32857	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Motor size question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32858	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Motor size question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32859	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32860	From: jt12313	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: des plaines diesel shell parts...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32861	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Motor size question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32862	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Motor size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32863	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Fwd: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32864	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32865	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: New on the S Helper Service website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32866	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32867	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32868	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32869	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32870	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32871	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32872	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32873	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32874	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: 290/293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32875	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Circus set - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32876	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32877	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32878	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32879	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32880	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32881	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Motor Size Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32882	From: ron190sl	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Removing plating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32883	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32884	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Help on S gauge Museum.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32885	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Removing plating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32886	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Removing plating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32887	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: The Model Railroad H.O. Scale Beer Car Collectors Site - Beer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32888	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32889	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: All this MTH junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32890	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32891	From: Phil K	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: 2005 Fall S-Fest news item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32892	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Ramblings on trains and automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32893	From: Phil K	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Running a business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32894	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Humor (Was Nasty Rumor)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32895	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Peek-A-Boo Gons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32896	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Running a business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32897	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: SSA Husky Stack kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32898	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Time Warp!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32899	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Around the corner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Ocala meet ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32901	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ocala meet ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32902	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: SHS discount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32903	From: Tom	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Block signal HO 252
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32904	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: AM 3 bay hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32905	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32906	From: keefer1	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32907	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: B&O RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32908	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Great American Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32909	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: AF #252 Block Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32910	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: 24733 HEAVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32911	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: Other Railroads with X-29 boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32912	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: 24733 Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32913	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: Re: Ocala meet ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32914	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? - Don't beleieve it !!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32915	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32916	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? Business profits....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32917	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Time Warp!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32918	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32919	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Profits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32920	From: uvl97222	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Great American train show......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32922	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: AC /DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32923	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Scenery Unlimited Diaphraghms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32924	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: What's in a name? 2 bobs? 3 bobs 4 bobs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32925	From: roy inman	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Polar Express, the movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32926	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: What's in a name? 2 bobs? 3 bobs 4 bobs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32927	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: buying parts from rfgco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32928	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: buying parts from rfgco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32929	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: AC /DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32930	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: B&O RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32931	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: tortoises
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32932	From: race944t	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: NRVMRR Show Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32933	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Junk and better stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32934	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32935	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32936	From: Dennis Back	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32937	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Lionel files for bankruptcy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32938	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32939	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express, the movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32940	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: AC /DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32941	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Another Lionel review from CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32942	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Pacific Rail Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32943	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: NRVMRR Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32944	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32945	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Lionel dealer/distributor memo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32946	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Lionel press release
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32947	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel dealer/distributor memo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32948	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: An Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32949	From: beebear	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Where's the trains??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32951	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Where's the trains??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32952	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Glazing for Grandt Line windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32953	From: knockbill	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: AF motor observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32954	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel press release - additional info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32955	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel press release - additional info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32956	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Fun photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32958	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32959	From: keefer1	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: 752 responses and for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32960	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: K-line Hunson for 2005!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32961	From: frbpman	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Let Us Keep It Civil - Please!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32962	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Let Us Keep It Civil - Please!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32963	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Trains and Children
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32964	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Nutz to that Mark......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32965	From: roy inman	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Nutz to that Mark......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32966	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Case is signifcant to the group and hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32967	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32968	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express, the movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32969	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF motor observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32970	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Boy's Life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32971	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lets crack the Nutz! - Lionel Lawsuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32972	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: K-line S diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32973	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Alco parts desired...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32974	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32976	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32977	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32978	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32979	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32981	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Nick in VA?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32983	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32985	From: keefer1	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: list moderator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32986	From: Phil K	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Yes, there are moderators in Train Land
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32987	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32989	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Toronto Christmas Train Show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32990	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Fw: Off Topic Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32991	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: what to do with the 40 million?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32993	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Combinations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32995	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32996	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: TCA Keystone Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32997	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: K-line S diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 32999	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: The Eighth Annual Norwegian Christmas at Union Station (Norway - th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33000	From: firex43	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33001	From: Phil K	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: S-Trains Rules, schmools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33002	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33003	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33004	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33005	From: keefer1	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Tom Rolfsmeyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33006	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33007	From: Paul	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Moderation can be a good thing (2)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33008	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33009	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33010	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Christmas Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33011	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33012	From: knockbill	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: AF Motor observation update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33013	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: For sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33014	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge - comments and questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33015	From: knockbill	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Car lights & steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33016	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: List of trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33018	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Motor observation update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33019	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: York Dream!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33020	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Car lights & steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33021	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2469
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33022	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Holiday closure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33023	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33025	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33026	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33027	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33028	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33029	From: John G	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Flyonel Lumber unloading car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33030	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33031	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33032	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33033	From: knockbill	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33034	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33035	From: roy inman	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Blue refers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33036	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: For Sale: AF Sets Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33037	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Short on Engine Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33038	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Blue refers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33039	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road blue reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33040	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Tufts AF Book Sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33041	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: "S" scale ladders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33042	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Events
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33043	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: the stores'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33044	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33045	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33046	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33047	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33048	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: trains of my youth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33049	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33050	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Way off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33052	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Looking for a 24566?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33053	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33054	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33055	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: why/
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33056	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER & MORE AMERICAN FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33057	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: What prototypes did AF use for its accessories?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33058	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Short on Engine Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33059	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Motor observation update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33060	From: Bruce	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Mistakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33061	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel Lumber unloading car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33062	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: An Idea - Implemented at NRVMRR. What about you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33063	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33064	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Hmm, maybe the new Big L CEO isn't so bad. . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33065	From: Dan Nowicki	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Street Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33066	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Georgia Division Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33067	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: AF accessories for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33068	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: A few interesting quotes from the CEO at Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33069	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Flyonel Walking Brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33070	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Highway Legends trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33071	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: New Baldwin's noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33072	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: New Baldwin's noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33073	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33075	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: AHL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33076	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Potential S items from On30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33077	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: T"WAS THE WEEKS BEFORE CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33078	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: the YELLOW MAINTENANCE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33079	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: AHL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33080	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: SHS discount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33081	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer prototypes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33082	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: for MS. BARBARA RUDINIKI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33083	From: Bruce	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Need to contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33084	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: S & K Toy Trucks Hartoy AHL Launch Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33085	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33086	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototypes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33087	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33088	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Flyer Proto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33089	From: David Engle	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Lionel makes the paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33090	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33091	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33092	From: Phil K	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: AHL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33093	From: roy inman	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: CTT issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33094	From: keefer1	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: repaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33095	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Hartoy Trucks...Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33096	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: for sale a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33097	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: AHL Trucks New Production!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33098	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Looking for the perfect holiday gift?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33099	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: selling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33100	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33101	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re;AHL Trucks-new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33102	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33103	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: TRAINS & trains &Christmas shopping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33104	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33105	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33106	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33107	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Ertl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33108	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33109	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Custom Crafted 2-4-2 from the 60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33110	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33111	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re;AHL new truck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33112	From: Paul	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Warning - Beware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33113	From: Dave W	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Salvador Dali: American Flyer fan??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33114	From: firex43	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Wanted: ERTL 1/64 Western Star T.T.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33115	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re;Salvador Dali American Flyer fan?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33116	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: SHS Christmas Engine and Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33117	From: Phil K	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33118	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33119	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33120	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33121	From: Art	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Brush Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33122	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: Brush Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33123	From: T Larson	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33124	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Article on Installing SW-9 DC Shorting Plug
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33125	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re;UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33126	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: SNOW!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33127	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: To the S Clubs out there
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33128	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33129	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: SNOW!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33130	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: SNOW!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33131	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33132	From: Art	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: Brush Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33133	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33134	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: trade list update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33135	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: sale or trade up date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: Re;Sunday chat!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33138	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33139	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: S-Mod / Free-Mo - my 2 cents worth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33140	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Can motor in a Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33141	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33142	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33143	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] S-Mod / Free-Mo - my 2 cents worth (corrected)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33144	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33145	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Adventures in Junk collecting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33146	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2480
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33147	From: mopar440satellite	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: New to S-gauge, need some help starting out.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33148	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33149	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: for sale or trade list Number 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33150	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: sale list correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33151	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: New to S-gauge, need some help starting out.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33152	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: trade up date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33153	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: LocoMatic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33154	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Re: trade up date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33155	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Polar Express Wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33156	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express Wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33157	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: What ever happened to our "Stuff 4 Sale" list Paul ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33158	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Amercan Flyer parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33159	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: Lionel Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33160	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: More Junk Collecting Adventures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33161	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: NASG Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33162	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33163	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Replacing PulMore Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33164	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33165	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: UP Items Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33166	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: UP Items Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33167	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Amercan Flyer parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33168	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: File - Email rules.txt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33169	From: esetterman	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: af engine wrapper etc,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33170	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: af engine wrapper etc,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33171	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Installing DCC Sound in SHS MEC SW-9 Christmas Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33172	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: American Flyer or Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33173	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: laying curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33174	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Live auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33176	From: Phil K	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Engine wraps and tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33177	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: Live auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33178	From: stepdad56	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: Live auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33179	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re;American Flyer or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33180	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33181	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Flyer or scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33182	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33184	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS 2005 catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33185	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33186	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Micro Layouts anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33187	From: Bill Cochran	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: LAYOUT SOURCES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33188	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2486
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Micro Layouts anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33191	From: starr007	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33192	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33193	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33194	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: A&W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33195	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33196	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33197	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33199	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: 4-4-0 Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33200	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33201	From: doug	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33202	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33203	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Friday Post question. the missing link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33204	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Wireless Color Mini-Cams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33205	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Layout sources
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33206	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2487
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33207	From: John G	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Accessory Green Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33208	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Amazing Sales Record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33209	From: T Larson	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33210	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: MTH for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33211	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33212	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33213	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Greensboro, MD show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33214	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: K-Line caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Franklin loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33216	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33217	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33218	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33219	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33220	From: John Conant	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Wireless Color Mini-Cams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33221	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Wireless Color Mini-Cams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33222	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Wireless Mini-cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33223	From: Paul	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Train demo - Indiantown Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33224	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Amazind Sales Record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33225	From: Terry	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Reproduction set boxes...where to find them??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33226	From: eastbroadtop2000	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: American models hopper forsale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33227	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Santa's Deliveries - Mikado?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33228	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Da Ja Vous..Cameras...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33229	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Franklin Thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33230	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: S-Trains:re: Reproduction set boxes...where to find them??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33231	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries - Was Mikado? - Now Handcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33232	From: lastman	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin Thread , REPAIR HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33233	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries - Was Mikado? - Now Handcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33234	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin Thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33235	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33236	From: toymyb	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33237	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33238	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33239	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33240	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33241	From: roy inman	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33242	From: aglorince	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: end of year magazine clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33243	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33244	From: Robert Boring	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33245	From: D Stoll	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Hint or hassle?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33246	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Largo Florida TCA meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33247	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33248	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33249	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33250	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33251	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Coal? Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33252	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33253	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: ZW transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33254	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re;Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33255	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33256	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: 2 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33257	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: trade List #3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33258	From: knockbill	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: ZW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33259	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33260	From: dvprc	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33261	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re; My Franklin post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33262	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33263	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Coal? Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33264	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: my trade list #3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33265	From: Phil K	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Wanting to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33267	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33268	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33269	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: Re; My Franklin post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33270	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: updated list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33271	From: Phil K	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: West Coast jam-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33272	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: 2 questions answers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33273	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: trades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33274	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33275	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33276	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Trade list #3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33277	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33278	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: On the boat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33279	From: velapoldi	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33280	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Ertl building kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33281	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33282	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Need Arch bar trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33283	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33284	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33285	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33286	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Sale items Pictures are in the group photo area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33287	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Hello all New old stock accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33288	From: Bob	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33289	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN LIST IN GROUP DATABASE SECTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33290	From: Phil K	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33291	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: The real "Pennsalt"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33292	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: The real "Pennsalt"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33293	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Mr & Mrs Claus (Adv)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33294	From: Ironhorse	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Coal? Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33295	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: The real "Pennsalt"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33296	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33297	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 project update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33298	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33299	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: A few more Howie Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33300	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33301	From: doug	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33302	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: ACE/ MANHEIM OUT OF BUSSINESS ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33303	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: S scale ruler at the hobby shop, part two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33304	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ACE/ MANHEIM OUT OF BUSSINESS ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33305	From: Paul	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Library Demo - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33307	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33308	From: Michael	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Files area is full
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33309	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Biggest Train Show of the Year for Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33310	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.Org Christmas Photos posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33311	From: Paul	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: S-Trains File Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33312	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33313	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: LocoMatic hook up instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33314	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Gilbert Designed Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33315	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Royal Blue or Not??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33316	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33317	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Designed Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33318	From: keefer1	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: 760 flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33319	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: NEW DATES FOR 2005 S SPREE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33320	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33321	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook up instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33322	From: Phil K	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Penn Salt tanker redux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33323	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Sunday chat and brass button engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33324	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Brass button engine trip pictures in TOMMINIL photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33325	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Stuff I forgot I had
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33326	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bankruptcy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33327	From: David Engle	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33328	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33329	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Train Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33330	From: knockbill	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bell Acc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33331	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bakers Choc cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33332	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Penn Salt tanker redux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33333	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Royal Blue & What is a 23764 flasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33334	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: ebay bidding tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33335	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Train Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33336	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33337	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33338	From: Greg Klein	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: B & O Museum - BAAFC Operation Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33339	From: Paul	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Train Demo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33340	From: Phil K	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33341	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Train Demo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33342	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: OUTBID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33343	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: MTH Sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33345	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33346	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33347	From: Steven Halm	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33348	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33349	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Florida Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33350	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Does anyone know anything about this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33351	From: Phil K	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone know anything about this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33352	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33353	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: S gauge magazines/clubs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33354	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: peopes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33355	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33356	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33357	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge magazines/clubs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33358	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33359	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: EZ-Air
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33360	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Outbid (ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33361	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33362	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33363	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33364	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33365	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.Org Christmas Photos posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33366	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33367	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33370	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Parts needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33371	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Blatant ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33372	From: Phil K	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Parts needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33373	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Scale riding over AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33374	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Route 95 sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33375	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33376	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33377	From: dvprc	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: American Models Pacific over Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33378	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Come to Winter Wonderfest in Chicago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33380	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: A pat on the back is due...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33381	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Flyer on other's switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33382	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33383	From: fiantoni	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Help with AF Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33384	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Royal Blue or Not???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33385	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer on other's switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33386	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33387	From: dvprc	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: American Models Steamer over Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33388	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Flyer on other's switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33389	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: MU Cables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33390	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Repair help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33391	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Repair help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33392	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Thanks to all!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33393	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: MU Cables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33394	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33395	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: S Helper and MU Cables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33396	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Lets Ask Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33397	From: jt12313	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Layout building questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33398	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33399	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: York - TCA - Motel/Hotel rooms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33400	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: York - TCA - Motel/Hotel rooms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33401	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: 300ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33402	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: S-Helper Switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33403	From: Terry	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Seaboard 970 Operating car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33404	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33405	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: more on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33406	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33407	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33408	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33409	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33410	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33411	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33412	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33413	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Helper Switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33414	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33415	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33416	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33417	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33418	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: more on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33419	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Seaboard 970 Operating car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33420	From: robohat	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33421	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: more on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33422	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33423	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Weekend Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33424	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33425	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33426	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33427	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33428	From: Paul	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Sites Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33429	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific over Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33430	From: Paul	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Back OnLine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33431	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Starter Set are Definite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33432	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33433	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33434	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: My Polar Express sets experience, and a good call...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33435	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: My 2004 Christmas layout pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33436	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33437	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: My 2004 Christmas layout pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33438	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: New S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33439	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: "Classic Toy Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33440	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2503
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33441	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: New S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33442	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Updated Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33443	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Looking for a late PA Dummy chassis (metal only)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33444	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: classroom layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33445	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33446	From: beebear	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Earily Christmas presents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33447	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Jerry Matsick Layout & Steamtown Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33448	From: D Stoll	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: non-revolving beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33449	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33450	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2504/ oN TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33451	From: Phil K	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Steamtown Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33452	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: New email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33453	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Gilbert Paper Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33454	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33455	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33456	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Paper Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33457	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Steamtown Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33458	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33459	From: roy inman	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Public thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33460	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33461	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33462	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33463	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Hudson tender questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33464	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Non-Rotating Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33465	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Off topic - Retired Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33466	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33467	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33468	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33469	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33470	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33471	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Old Article in Washington Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33472	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: B&O Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33473	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33474	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Lionel American Flyer - Steam Engine - Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33475	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Complete a Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33476	From: doug	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33477	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2506
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33478	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Pricing Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33479	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33480	From: carltonlowry	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Holiday Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33481	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: The Mikes are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33482	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: The Mikes are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33483	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33484	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Complete a Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33485	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Charles Ro Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33486	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Vibromotor - Rights and invention - Any one know the history?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33487	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33488	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: The "Winner" Toy Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33489	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Yardley's followup article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33490	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: looking for George
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33491	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: The B & O's are coming!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33492	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Pricing Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33493	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33494	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33495	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: NASG grey and CNR Pullmans -- Expected delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33496	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: MTH vrs Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33497	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33498	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: fastfood toy trains if interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33499	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33500	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33501	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Cold Heat Soldering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33502	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Mikados, 12'=1' and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33503	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33504	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33505	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33506	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Season's Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33507	From: knockbill	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33508	From: Hannon	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2507 - Merry Christmas!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33509	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat Soldering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33510	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: way off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Early Christmas morning.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33512	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Seasons Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33513	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33514	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Don Thmpson Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33515	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33516	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33517	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33518	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33519	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Holiday Cheer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33520	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33521	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Christmas greeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33522	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy new Year!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33523	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Under tree damage....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33524	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: D1473 catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33525	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: D1473 catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33526	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: MERRY -HO-HO-HO- CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33527	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: what'd ya' get?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33528	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33529	From: esetterman	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: diesel roar help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33530	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: what I got
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33531	From: knockbill	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: chistmas presents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33532	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33533	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Merry christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33534	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33535	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33536	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Christmas photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33537	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Chat 'till you drop!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33538	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33539	From: Randy Burton	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33540	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel 's new Steam Enginne "mikado"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33541	From: hspanier2000	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: "e-Train" TCA Online Magazine // Winter Edition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33542	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: My cover is blown!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33543	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: "e-Train" TCA Online Magazine // Winter Edition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33544	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Post your S Scale photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33545	From: Bradley	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: All Aboard Christmas Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33546	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: The "Winner" Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Miikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33548	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: The "Winner" Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33549	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2513
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33550	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Winner Toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33551	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Looking for AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33552	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Re: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33553	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Re: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33554	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Christmas Layout in Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33555	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: B&O Capital Dome Logo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33556	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Christmas Layout in Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Christmas Layout in Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33558	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: NYC Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33559	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33560	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado / Southern 4501
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33561	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Winner Brand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33562	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Starting a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33563	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Winner Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33564	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Starting a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33565	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re;Starting a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33566	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: a GREAT night of running trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33567	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: B&O Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33568	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: B&O passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Re;Starting a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33570	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re.Winner brand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33571	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] a GREAT night of running trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33572	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: ONLY A FEW HOURS TO GO....!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33573	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: B&O Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33574	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: K335
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33575	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33576	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Happy New Year 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33577	From: bruce weidner	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33578	From: branforddinerguy	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: track laying help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33579	From: Al Kielek	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33580	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: K335
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33581	From: Phil K	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: track laying help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33582	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33583	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] K335

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28797	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: First post of the New Year....

Happy New Year..Your Car just depreciated 800 Bucks ....he he he

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28798	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: second post of the New Year....

Ed from Canada, and Robert from Florida, and I,...had a nice chat New Years Eve..... Ya shoulda been there!!! Happy New Year to all!!! Rick " I'm going to bed" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28799	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN?

What are the general feelings about repro parts and paint touch up. I have some rather rare peices that were abused many years ago. Ive considered adding some repro parts that are missing and have one loco in paticular that has some paint flaking on the metal shell. This loco is, you might say, "Rare" and although I have no intention of selling it, I wouldn't want to destroy it's value on the market. Ive always heard that touch ups ruin the value of collectables, Tell me your thoughts. Thanks again, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28800	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN?

Hi Steve....You might want to get in contact with one or two "seasoned" collectors to have a look at the piece's in question. I've done touch-ups on several pieces in the past and would always be hesitant to do them on truely "rare" pieces. Get the opinions of people who have experience with AF. I personally don't have a problem with repro parts(screws, couplers,etc)on exotic pieces but finish's with only a Good grading could get a make over. I always feel now that I'm trying to preserve these trains for the future. Unfortunately, I think that this can take away the fun aspect of the hobby with respect to operating the trains,BUT the satisfaction of bringing a piece to it's optimum grading ,is very rewarding..Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "bullwinkl.geo" <bullwinkl.geo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? > What are the general feelings about repro parts and paint touch up. > I have some rather rare peices that were abused many years ago. > Ive considered adding some repro parts that are missing and have one > loco in paticular that has some paint flaking on the metal shell. > This loco is, you might say, "Rare" and although I have no intention > of selling it, I wouldn't want to destroy it's value on the market. > Ive always heard that touch ups ruin the value of collectables, Tell > me your thoughts. > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28801	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: new member

Welcome Irv! great to have you with us...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] new member > This group was recommended to me by an ebay seller. I normally don't shop > there, but I was looking for some junkers to repaint and kit bash.They are > getting harder to find under the tables at train shows.I'm not a > collector,more of just an operator.Everything I run has the link couplers.If > I find any knuckle coupler stuff,I ussually try to trade it for link.I'd > rather trade than spend money.I'm going to read the post and archives and > explore the photos and Paul's site for awhile,but I wanted to introduce > myself. Flyerfunatic (Irv W.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28802	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Keith Kuzma's floor layout

Keith Super layout!! We have not seen each other in a long time. Hope to get with you again soon somewhere in the SE and talk. Remember, it is YOU who lit the train fever in me!! I'll never forgive you (heh heh)!! Steve Pendleton To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] photo album > I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go > here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 > Thanks Paul. Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28803	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124

Slow response from the E-unit. ( E-unit is a LIONEL term, remote control is the flyer term ) Power up the train, it runs a short distance them kicks into neutral. indicates that the drum is not turning freely, grease, dirt, or to much pressure on the drum by the fingers. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28804	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124

Would like to add to Gerry's comments. Sometimes the reverse unit randomly switches because the track or loco/tender wheels are dirty. Make sure everything is clean. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO > [Original Message] > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/1/2004 8:12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2124 > > > Slow response from the E-unit. ( E-unit is a LIONEL term, remote > control is the flyer term ) Power up the train, it runs a short distance > them kicks into neutral. indicates that the drum is not turning freely, > grease, dirt, or to much pressure on the drum by the fingers. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28805	From: geep39	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Repro parts & paint

The problem with touchup is color and texture match. That "flat" paint may be too flat to match, or may have the wrong basic color components to it. Where the problem is is when something is actually SOLD. I get a real kick out of the bozos at train meets with fully-repainted engines with their bright white (often crooked) transfers trying to sell them at full price. Yeah, you know, the 5- digit Hudsons, 0-8-0's, and Northerns. Gilbert had some paint- quality issues in their latter days. IMHO, "restored" pieces shouldn't get anywhere NEAR what the nitwits in the price guides say they should get. Well, the sellers can dream, can't they? Excuse me while I go and run my REALLY rare 300 and string of Illinois Central reefers with a 638 caboose!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28806	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. My feelings are: The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a little. You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive train in combination with a can motor. For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as well do the electronic reverse unit too. I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. The next question I would pose is: When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching directions become more noticeable/increase? Mark -----Original Message----- From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28807	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

Mark, IMHO, your comments are right on the mark (pun intended), which is why whenever I install a can motor, I install a DC can motor. I supply DC voltage to my track so, as I've mentioned before, I can run a "mixed bag" of AC/DC locos. This means I can be "pure" or not with any given loco, as my fluctuating fancy dictates. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. My feelings are: The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a little. You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive train in combination with a can motor. For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as well do the electronic reverse unit too. I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. The next question I would pose is: When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching directions become more noticeable/increase? Mark -----Original Message----- From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28808	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts & paint

>From: "geep39" <schwartzsj@...> >To: >Subject: [S-Trains] Repro parts & paint >Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 16:14:26 -0000 >Geeo39 writes< > Statement # 1 " That "flat" >paint may be too flat to match", statement #2 "Where the problem is is >when something is >actually SOLD. I get a real kick out of the bozos at train meets >with fully-repainted engines with their bright white (often crooked) >transfers trying to sell them at full price." . statement #3 "IMHO, "restored" pieces >shouldn't get anywhere NEAR what the nitwits in the price guides say >they should get. " > >Responses: Statement one : the loc's were never flat back, and tring to match them with a flat bkack paint is probably pointless.I use a satin black spray , walmart brand. excellent match. Statement two: In my opinion the problem is, when someone pays the too high price, not the seller asking too much.I have not been at a table sale of any kind where the prices wereen't padded for dealing. Statement three: Greenberg's say a restored item is valued between good and excellent.So I don't think you can blame high restoration prices on them.I think by the timesome invests in a junker,spends several hours stripping,cleaning, repairing and repainting an item,it's their priviledge to ask what they want.It's your priviledge to walk away. As for the original question,"to paint or not to paint" I don't believe you answered any of it.I repaint if an item is too unsightly to put on my layout.I don't mind some wear showing on the equipment,IT'S OLD! Concerning repro parts,if an original isn't available, use a repro,but replace it with an original should you find one later on,unless of couse you repainted the item,then why bother. Happy New year to all !!!! I.W. Lastly I think your generalization of the price guide writers and train show dealers is annoying.In general, I have found the posts on this forum to be responsibly written. > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28809	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Can Motor

Hi I have an old 302 that I would like to convert to a can motor and an electronic e unit, I use AC on my layout, I have never used DC, can you help me Marty Rajsich Las Vegas Nv.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28810	From: larryasp	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

Mark I really appreciate your remarks, and the others on the group too over the can motor. I have cleaned the e units, and replaced the fingers on one of them, but no real difference. The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try the electronic e unit solution - do you know where I can buy one, or suggest which one is the best etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard to do with these - what sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the HO types are a little weak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can > motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works > really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with > a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. > > My feelings are: > > The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than > a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote > control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can > motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. > > You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the > forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this > requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a > little. > > You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little > movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive > train in combination with a can motor. > > For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a > can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as > well do the electronic reverse unit too. > > I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor > installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just > the slightest amount when switching directions. > > The next question I would pose is: > > When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching > directions become more noticeable/increase? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > > I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one > regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, > the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. > However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that > is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted > back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to > give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has > travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has > anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be > expected with AC Can motor conversions? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28811	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Paints

Krylon make a Semi-flat black and is a perfect match for most engines.  Most original paints by Gibert have a satin finish to them, some like the NP Alco greens have an almost gloss finish as does the black on  NH PAs .  Cental of Georgia box cars come with either a gloss black or satin black finish as do the 5 digit NH electrics. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28812	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Repro parts & paint

If it is truly a rare item, do not touch it up, that will decrease the value. As far as repro parts go, it depends on what part and how it could devalue the item. i.e. replacing a smoke unit wick on a 21129 Hudson would not devalue the item, but replacing the boiler front with a repro could. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28813	From: starr007	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

Subject: 334DC A.F. engine The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28814	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: new member

Jay Walsh writes: > > "DO YOU SELL ON EBAY? AS many junkers are showing up >there and the sellers are not giving the public any >info about the junkers being repainted,or typical >repir effort details done by them> the cover ups are >actually serious matters to us train collectors. >plesas let us know! " Response: No ,I do not sell on ebay,however I do buy on ebay occasionally,and with around 50 transactions have never found the seller to not answer specific questions,or try to decieve me.However their are sellers I would avoid, and I have seen people get ripped off. If it is truly a cover -up, and intentional misrepresentation, you should talk to TCA, or even your local attorney general.If it is a matter of you not asking the right questions, and the seller offering little info,you are probably at fault.There are a lot of good ebay sellers on this list,perhaps you should check them out. I.W. > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing > > kids, home, work � and > > yourself. > > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28815	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues.

In a message dated 01/01/2004 1:59:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, bullwinkl.geo@... writes: The armature seems to pull back a bit out of one side of the field and the clicking sound comes from around the wheels, although there is clicking from the reverse unit. I haven't looked at ut yet tonight, gonna try tightening things and see if that helps. I think the clicking is from it not making good enough contact with the gears and as a result the armature tries to escape the field, I'll see if I'm right, if not, I'm at a loss. You may have one or both end spacers missing from within the truck, There is some natural movement of the armature in either direction but not a "lot." If it moves more then about 1/32 of an inch the spacers/buffers are missing. You can make some out of copper/brass sheeting or some other durable material about 1/16" thick and superglue them in place. To test the meshing of the gears, lift the loco up while applying power and hold the wheels at each end of the truck alternately. If one or the other stops turning but the motor keeps running (albeit very slowly) then you have a worm or drive gear problem. Both are available from parts dealers but should be put in place by an experienced repair person. This is not a job for the feint of heart. Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28816	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:14:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, AF336@... writes: I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. Mine don't. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:53:38 AM Mountain Standard Time, larry.asp@... writes: Mark I really appreciate your remarks, and the others on the group too over the can motor. I have cleaned the e units, and replaced the fingers on one of them, but no real difference. The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try the electronic e unit solution - do you know where I can buy one, or suggest which one is the best etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard to do with these - what sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the HO types are a little weak. I recommend the Dallee #400. It fits inside all tenders or boilers. It has a 4 amp capacity and is very smooth. You can rectify any Flyer AC transformer to output DC. You don't need another transformer. Just install a DPDT switch between the rectified transformer and the track for reversing. You can get rectifiers and DPDT switches at any electronic parts store including Radio Shack for a couple of dollars.. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28818	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Volume VII of S-Gauge Model Railroading

In a message dated 01/01/2004 9:43:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, teddymich@... writes: Dear Sir, I would be interested in viewing subject volume of Arden's UP layout! Is this a video or a publication. Please explain as I am not quite sure what you are referring to as S-Gauge Model Rialroading! Hope to hear from you soon. Regards, Ted Michaels Ted, We have been putting out a series of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" videos for a few years now. There are currently 6 volumes available with number 7 to start shipping about Jan.12. The new one will have Arden Goehring's scale UP under construction layout in it. We filmed it while attending S-Fest West IV in Oct. 2002. There are many other layouts in there too. It will be available in VHS tape or DVD. Tapes are $14 and DVD are $15. The price includes shipping. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28819	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

In a message dated 01/01/2004 1:11:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, starr007@... writes: Subject: 334DC A.F. engine The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr The round flat bottomed pick up "shoe" on your tender is common. I just repaired a 324AC tender that had them. They were apparently made/installed to improve the performance of the whistle. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28820	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

I have a std. Flyer 290 with a standard Flyer motor that runs great and draws less current than my average locos. It moves a tad before the e unit trips. This e unit is very reliable and never misses a beat. The "tad" of motion (maybe 2") is not a problem to me but would get worse with a can motor because they start at lower voltage. I also have a Hudson with a can motor and electronic reverse unit. This is definitely the way to go if you want to stay on AC power. Reliable plus restarts in the same direction after stopping for several seconds. When reversing there is NO motion when the unit cycles. Someone on the list described an inexpensive electronic reverse unit for a price in the teens. If you read this could you update us on the unit? Of course, the simplest conversion is a can motor and DC power. This is not an option if you need AC for sound. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <AF336@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:14:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, > AF336@... writes: > I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor > installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just > the slightest amount when switching directions. > Mine don't. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28821	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor

Marty, I have used Lionel's Electronic E unit for Can motors and had no problems with them. They are very economical. Here is a link that shows an installation with wiring diagram. http://www.tuveson.com/E-unit/eunit.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: Marty [mailto:parker@...] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Hi I have an old 302 that I would like to convert to a can motor and an electronic e unit, I use AC on my layout, I have never used DC, can you help me Marty Rajsich Las Vegas Nv. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28822	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: (no subject)

test http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun76

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28823	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

J.R. I have a 324AC engine that has the same configuration on the tender trucks. I've been looking for some replacements since the pickups are badly worn . Any info from the group would be appreciated. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "starr007" <starr007@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: 334DC A.F. engine > > > > > Subject: 334DC A.F. engine > > > The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28824	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Can motor and reverse unit

On the thread of the AC can motor and vintage reverse unit, would someone like to comment on this idea: Would wiring a capacitor in series with the reverse unit give the reverse unit the "jolt" it needed to cycle before the can motor became engaged. If so, what spec would be recommended on the capacitor. Also, would a diode be necessary to "trap" the voltage in the capacitor until it was discharged. The downside I see is that the capacitor might jump start the can motor at the same time, defeating the purpose. Is the above a wild idea, or does it have any merit? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28825	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics

These are some pics of my new layout and Disneyland Marty http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun76

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28826	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor and reverse unit

Tim, and group, I believe the best "fix" would be to add several pairs of reverse paralleled diodes to back diodes in series with the motor to provide a fixed voltage differential between the motor and the reverse unit. For each pair of diodes added in series there would be a .7 volt drop to the motor. The net result is to give the Reverse unit a higher voltage than the motor and make it pull in quicker. |-|<--|<-| --| |---- A 1.4 volt drop with 4 diodes. |->|-->|-| Carl -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:56 PM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Can motor and reverse unit On the thread of the AC can motor and vintage reverse unit, would someone like to comment on this idea: Would wiring a capacitor in series with the reverse unit give the reverse unit the "jolt" it needed to cycle before the can motor became engaged. If so, what spec would be recommended on the capacitor. Also, would a diode be necessary to "trap" the voltage in the capacitor until it was discharged. The downside I see is that the capacitor might jump start the can motor at the same time, defeating the purpose. Is the above a wild idea, or does it have any merit? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Paints

It should be added that AF steam engine black has some gray in it. Most commercially available black paints will not result in a match for Gilbert steamers. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/1/04 2:26:07 PM, Flyvw64@... writes: << Krylon make a Semi-flat black and is a perfect match for most engines.  Most original paints by Gibert have a satin finish to them, some like the NP Alco greens have an almost gloss finish as does the black on  NH PAs .  Cental of Georgia box cars come with either a gloss black or satin black finish as do the 5 digit NH electrics. Harwood Owings >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Pics

Which Disneyland? The one in France? :) Please note smile depicting humor ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28829	From: editor	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide 2004 Calendar in Posted on our web site (Blata

Happy New Year! GREAT NEWS! The S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Calendar now has its own link on our page and guess what? We have the Cover posted there & if you all yell loud enough, we'll post the back page with thumbnails of all 12 images picked from the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide & Sn3 Org Photo Contest, too! And because we're not ready to mail the 2004 Calendars tomorrow (mia culpa, I couldn't get the SmartDraw software to save HR images), *FREE* US Postage has been extended until January 9, 2004! Here's you very first opportunity to save almost 3 bucks for 2004! In case that you're wondering, all 12 images are excellent and while it was a difficult choice for our esteemed panel of Judges to choose a First Place, only one of the twelve will receive a $100 gift certificate for B.T.S. products! How Cool is That??? In my book, that's almost 36 packages of BTS door knobs or at least a down payment on a BL-2! BTW AND each of the twelve contributors & three Judges will receive a Complimentary 2004 Calendar for their support. Heck, if we use any of the images in the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide, these folks could earn and additional $35 $buck$ to have their image printed on the Cover!!! We'll bet you'll submit a photo for the 2005 contest -- which Pat Turner will begin work on right away so that we can mail out before the end of this year. Thank You again for your support. Please remember that the SMG is *your* publication we are successful with not only your Subscriptions, but also your fellow Scale Modeler Subscriptions, Contributions of articles, photos, & drawings (paid for by SMG of course!), and finally, our Advertisers! Please spread the word! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28830	From: TCS	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale.

Happy New Year everyone! 806 SL-SF cigar band yellow striping only for FA's. You have to get the other lettering & coonskin from decals sets. http://mopac1.tripod.com/FriscoFA.jpg 807 SL-SF 2 bay open hopper. 11-52 http://mopac1.tripod.com/807.gif 808 SL-SF 2 bay open hopper. 7-53 http://mopac1.tripod.com/808.gif 809 MK&T USRA wood sheathed 40' boxcar. 8-07 http://mopac1.tripod.com/809.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28831	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics

These pics are from California Adventure and Disneyland Anaheim, Do they have a Western Pacific in France? Ha Ha Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28832	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

<<<<The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try the electronic e unit solution - do you know where I can buy one, or suggest which one is the best etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard to do with these - what sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the HO types are a little weak.>>> Dallee electronic e-units are the BEST! We sell them all the time in combination with the SnS can motor kits. One of the nice things about Dallee units is that they work with either AC or DC input....makes no difference. So you can combine a $27.95 DC SnS can motor with a $45 Dallee e-unit, even though you're operating AC. We sell the combination for $67.95 This combination will give you very reliable, clean, and quiet operation. Installation is very simple----both the can motor and the Dallee e-unit. I do not recommed using a Lionel electronic e-unit......I have seen too many of them fail. We used to carry QSI e-units, but I prefer Dallee for several reasons I won't bother to go into here. A final strong point about Dallee products..... the guys at Dallee are very knowledgeable about AF.....you won't find that at many other manufacturers of multi-scale equipment! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2126 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: boss31@... 2. First post of the New Year.... From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> 3. second post of the New Year.... From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> 4. Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? From: "bullwinkl.geo" <bullwinkl.geo@...> 5. Re: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> 6. Re: new member From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> 7. Keith Kuzma's floor layout From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> 8. Re: Digest Number 2124 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 9. Re: Digest Number 2124 From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> 10. Repro parts & paint From: "geep39" <schwartzsj@...> 11. RE: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> 12. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> 13. RE: Repro parts & paint From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> 14. Can Motor From: Marty <parker@...> 15. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> 16. Paints From: Flyvw64@... 17. Re: Repro parts & paint From: Flyvw64@... 18. Fw: 334DC A.F. engine From: "starr007" <starr007@...> 19. Re: new member From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> 20. Re: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues. From: boss31@... 21. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: boss31@... 22. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: boss31@... 23. Re: Volume VII of S-Gauge Model Railroading From: boss31@... 24. Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine From: boss31@... 25. Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:38:57 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up In a message dated 12/31/2003 5:33:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, larry.asp@... writes: I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? Sounds like a reverse unit problem, not a can motor problem. Did you put new fingerboards and polish up the drum on it as recommended? The drum type reverse units are one of the weak links in the Flyer system. They need maintenance regularly. They will work tirelessly if you take care of them. If they get gunked up with stuff they will get sluggish and require more voltage to cycle. A great solution to that problem is an electronic e-unit. Have a good New Year. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 08:16:47 -0000 From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Subject: First post of the New Year.... Happy New Year..Your Car just depreciated 800 Bucks ....he he he ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:40:49 -0800 From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Subject: second post of the New Year.... Ed from Canada, and Robert from Florida, and I,...had a nice chat New Years Eve..... Ya shoulda been there!!! Happy New Year to all!!! Rick " I'm going to bed" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 09:12:38 -0000 From: "bullwinkl.geo" <bullwinkl.geo@...> Subject: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? What are the general feelings about repro parts and paint touch up. I have some rather rare peices that were abused many years ago. Ive considered adding some repro parts that are missing and have one loco in paticular that has some paint flaking on the metal shell. This loco is, you might say, "Rare" and although I have no intention of selling it, I wouldn't want to destroy it's value on the market. Ive always heard that touch ups ruin the value of collectables, Tell me your thoughts. Thanks again, Steve ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 03:45:52 -0700 From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> Subject: Re: Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? Hi Steve....You might want to get in contact with one or two "seasoned" collectors to have a look at the piece's in question. I've done touch-ups on several pieces in the past and would always be hesitant to do them on truely "rare" pieces. Get the opinions of people who have experience with AF. I personally don't have a problem with repro parts(screws, couplers,etc)on exotic pieces but finish's with only a Good grading could get a make over. I always feel now that I'm trying to preserve these trains for the future. Unfortunately, I think that this can take away the fun aspect of the hobby with respect to operating the trains,BUT the satisfaction of bringing a piece to it's optimum grading ,is very rewarding..Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "bullwinkl.geo" <bullwinkl.geo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repro parts and paint? Is it a SIN? > What are the general feelings about repro parts and paint touch up. > I have some rather rare peices that were abused many years ago. > Ive considered adding some repro parts that are missing and have one > loco in paticular that has some paint flaking on the metal shell. > This loco is, you might say, "Rare" and although I have no intention > of selling it, I wouldn't want to destroy it's value on the market. > Ive always heard that touch ups ruin the value of collectables, Tell > me your thoughts. > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 03:49:46 -0700 From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> Subject: Re: new member Welcome Irv! great to have you with us...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] new member > This group was recommended to me by an ebay seller. I normally don't shop > there, but I was looking for some junkers to repaint and kit bash.They are > getting harder to find under the tables at train shows.I'm not a > collector,more of just an operator.Everything I run has the link couplers.If > I find any knuckle coupler stuff,I ussually try to trade it for link.I'd > rather trade than spend money.I'm going to read the post and archives and > explore the photos and Paul's site for awhile,but I wanted to introduce > myself. Flyerfunatic (Irv W.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 09:51:23 -0500 From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> Subject: Keith Kuzma's floor layout Keith Super layout!! We have not seen each other in a long time. Hope to get with you again soon somewhere in the SE and talk. Remember, it is YOU who lit the train fever in me!! I'll never forgive you (heh heh)!! Steve Pendleton To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] photo album > I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go > here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 > Thanks Paul. Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:24:57 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124 Slow response from the E-unit. ( E-unit is a LIONEL term, remote control is the flyer term ) Power up the train, it runs a short distance them kicks into neutral. indicates that the drum is not turning freely, grease, dirt, or to much pressure on the drum by the fingers. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:24:00 -0700 From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2124 Would like to add to Gerry's comments. Sometimes the reverse unit randomly switches because the track or loco/tender wheels are dirty. Make sure everything is clean. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO > [Original Message] > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/1/2004 8:12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2124 > > > Slow response from the E-unit. ( E-unit is a LIONEL term, remote > control is the flyer term ) Power up the train, it runs a short distance > them kicks into neutral. indicates that the drum is not turning freely, > grease, dirt, or to much pressure on the drum by the fingers. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 16:14:26 -0000 From: "geep39" <schwartzsj@...> Subject: Repro parts & paint The problem with touchup is color and texture match. That "flat" paint may be too flat to match, or may have the wrong basic color components to it. Where the problem is is when something is actually SOLD. I get a real kick out of the bozos at train meets with fully-repainted engines with their bright white (often crooked) transfers trying to sell them at full price. Yeah, you know, the 5- digit Hudsons, 0-8-0's, and Northerns. Gilbert had some paint- quality issues in their latter days. IMHO, "restored" pieces shouldn't get anywhere NEAR what the nitwits in the price guides say they should get. Well, the sellers can dream, can't they? Excuse me while I go and run my REALLY rare 300 and string of Illinois Central reefers with a 638 caboose! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:12:52 -0600 From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Subject: RE: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. My feelings are: The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a little. You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive train in combination with a can motor. For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as well do the electronic reverse unit too. I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. The next question I would pose is: When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching directions become more noticeable/increase? Mark -----Original Message----- From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:25:45 -0500 From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Mark, IMHO, your comments are right on the mark (pun intended), which is why whenever I install a can motor, I install a DC can motor. I supply DC voltage to my track so, as I've mentioned before, I can run a "mixed bag" of AC/DC locos. This means I can be "pure" or not with any given loco, as my fluctuating fancy dictates. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. My feelings are: The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a little. You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive train in combination with a can motor. For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as well do the electronic reverse unit too. I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. The next question I would pose is: When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching directions become more noticeable/increase? Mark -----Original Message----- From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:37:26 +0000 From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> Subject: RE: Repro parts & paint >From: "geep39" <schwartzsj@...> >To: >Subject: [S-Trains] Repro parts & paint >Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 16:14:26 -0000 >Geeo39 writes< > Statement # 1 " That "flat" >paint may be too flat to match", statement #2 "Where the problem is is >when something is >actually SOLD. I get a real kick out of the bozos at train meets >with fully-repainted engines with their bright white (often crooked) >transfers trying to sell them at full price." >shouldn't get anywhere NEAR what the nitwits in the price guides say >they should get. " > >Responses: Statement one : the loc's were never flat back, and tring to match them with a flat bkack paint is probably pointless.I use a satin black spray , walmart brand. excellent match. Statement two: In my opinion the problem is, when someone pays the too high price, not the seller asking too much.I have not been at a table sale of any kind where the prices wereen't padded for dealing. Statement three: Greenberg's say a restored item is valued between good and excellent.So I don't think you can blame high restoration prices on them.I think by the timesome invests in a junker,spends several hours stripping,cleaning, repairing and repainting an item,it's their priviledge to ask what they want.It's your priviledge to walk away. As for the original question,"to paint or not to paint" I don't believe you answered any of it.I repaint if an item is too unsightly to put on my layout.I don't mind some wear showing on the equipment,IT'S OLD! Concerning repro parts,if an original isn't available, use a repro,but replace it with an original should you find one later on,unless of couse you repainted the item,then why bother. Happy New year to all !!!! I.W. Lastly I think your generalization of the price guide writers and train show dealers is annoying.In general, I have found the posts on this forum to be responsibly written. > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:37:40 -0800 From: Marty <parker@...> Subject: Can Motor Hi I have an old 302 that I would like to convert to a can motor and an electronic e unit, I use AC on my layout, I have never used DC, can you help me Marty Rajsich Las Vegas Nv. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:51:35 -0500 From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Mark I really appreciate your remarks, and the others on the group too over the can motor. I have cleaned the e units, and replaced the fingers on one of them, but no real difference. The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try the electronic e unit solution - do you know where I can buy one, or suggest which one is the best etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard to do with these - what sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the HO types are a little weak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > Working on the reverse unit to make it really smooth is a must with a can > motor installation, but my experience is that a reverse unit that works > really well with a Gilbert motor will not necessarily cycle as smoothly with > a can motor. I believe it is a matter of physics. > > My feelings are: > > The can motor has a fraction of the current draw and is more efficient than > a Gilbert motor. Even if the reverse unit (or as some of said remote > control)is pristine I think you will still get a little movement with a can > motor. This is especially true if you have a very free drive train. > > You must have enough current in the coil of the reverse unit to overcome the > forces of initiating the drum rotation mechanism. It is inevitable that this > requirement to operate the reverse mechanism will cause the motor to turn a > little. > > You can work and work on the reverse unit, but you will still get a little > movement. Repeat: Even a near perfect one will move some with a free drive > train in combination with a can motor. > > For me the real solution is a solid state reverse unit when you install a > can motor. You have already gotten away from "Pure Gilbert" so you might as > well do the electronic reverse unit too. > > I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor > installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just > the slightest amount when switching directions. > > The next question I would pose is: > > When you installed the can motor did your amount of crawl in switching > directions become more noticeable/increase? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:31 PM > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > > I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one > regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, > the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool> However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that > is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted > back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to > give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has > travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has > anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be > expected with AC Can motor conversions? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:25:31 EST From: Flyvw64@... Subject: Paints   Krylon make a Semi-flat black and is a perfect match for most engines.  Most original paints by Gibert have a satin finish to them, some like the NP Alco greens have an almost gloss finish as does the black on  NH PAs .  Cental of Georgia box cars come with either a gloss black or satin black finish as do the 5 digit NH electrics. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:33:08 EST From: Flyvw64@... Subject: Re: Repro parts & paint If it is truly a rare item, do not touch it up, that will decrease the value. As far as repro parts go, it depends on what part and how it could devalue the item. i.e. replacing a smoke unit wick on a 21129 Hudson would not devalue the item, but replacing the boiler front with a repro could. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:18:28 -0600 From: "starr007" <starr007@...> Subject: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine Subject: 334DC A.F. engine The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 20:12:30 +0000 From: "Irving washington" <irvingwashington77031@...> Subject: Re: new member Jay Walsh writes: > > "DO YOU SELL ON EBAY? AS many junkers are showing up >there and the sellers are not giving the public any >info about the junkers being repainted,or typical >repir effort details done by them> the cover ups are >actually serious matters to us train collectors. >plesas let us know! " Response: No ,I do not sell on ebay,however I do buy on ebay occasionally,and with around 50 transactions have never found the seller to not answer specific questions,or try to decieve me.However their are sellers I would avoid, and I have seen people get ripped off. If it is truly a cover -up, and intentional misrepresentation, you should talk to TCA, or even your local attorney general.If it is a matter of you not asking the right questions, and the seller offering little info,you are probably at fault.There are a lot of good ebay sellers on this list,perhaps you should check them out. I.W. > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing > > kids, home, work — and > > yourself. > > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:25:44 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues. In a message dated 01/01/2004 1:59:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, bullwinkl.geo@... writes: The armature seems to pull back a bit out of one side of the field and the clicking sound comes from around the wheels, although there is clicking from the reverse unit. I haven't looked at ut yet tonight, gonna try tightening things and see if that helps. I think the clicking is from it not making good enough contact with the gears and as a result the armature tries to escape the field, I'll see if I'm right, if not, I'm at a loss. You may have one or both end spacers missing from within the truck, There is some natural movement of the armature in either direction but not a "lot." If it moves more then about 1/32 of an inch the spacers/buffers are missing. You can make some out of copper/brass sheeting or some other durable material about 1/16" thick and superglue them in place. To test the meshing of the gears, lift the loco up while applying power and hold the wheels at each end of the truck alternately. If one or the other stops turning but the motor keeps running (albeit very slowly) then you have a worm or drive gear problem. Both are available from parts dealers but should be put in place by an experienced repair person. This is not a job for the feint of heart. Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:28:19 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:14:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, AF336@... writes: I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just the slightest amount when switching directions. Mine don't. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:35:10 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:53:38 AM Mountain Standard Time, larry.asp@... writes: Mark I really appreciate your remarks, and the others on the group too over the can motor. I have cleaned the e units, and replaced the fingers on one of them, but no real difference. The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try the electronic e unit solution - do you know where I can buy one, or suggest which one is the best etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard to do with these - what sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the HO types are a little weak. I recommend the Dallee #400. It fits inside all tenders or boilers. It has a 4 amp capacity and is very smooth. You can rectify any Flyer AC transformer to output DC. You don't need another transformer. Just install a DPDT switch between the rectified transformer and the track for reversing. You can get rectifiers and DPDT switches at any electronic parts store including Radio Shack for a couple of dollars.. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:45:33 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Volume VII of S-Gauge Model Railroading In a message dated 01/01/2004 9:43:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, teddymich@... writes: Dear Sir, I would be interested in viewing subject volume of Arden's UP layout! Is this a video or a publication. Please explain as I am not quite sure what you are referring to as S-Gauge Model Rialroading! Hope to hear from you soon. Regards, Ted Michaels Ted, We have been putting out a series of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" videos for a few years now. There are currently 6 volumes available with number 7 to start shipping about Jan.12. The new one will have Arden Goehring's scale UP under construction layout in it. We filmed it while attending S-Fest West IV in Oct. 2002. There are many other layouts in there too. It will be available in VHS tape or DVD. Tapes are $14 and DVD are $15. The price includes shipping. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:51:57 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine In a message dated 01/01/2004 1:11:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, starr007@... writes: Subject: 334DC A.F. engine The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr The round flat bottomed pick up "shoe" on your tender is common. I just repaired a 324AC tender that had them. They were apparently made/installed to improve the performance of the whistle. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:14:30 -0500 From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up I have a std. Flyer 290 with a standard Flyer motor that runs great and draws less current than my average locos. It moves a tad before the e unit trips. This e unit is very reliable and never misses a beat. The "tad" of motion (maybe 2") is not a problem to me but would get worse with a can motor because they start at lower voltage. I also have a Hudson with a can motor and electronic reverse unit. This is definitely the way to go if you want to stay on AC power. Reliable plus restarts in the same direction after stopping for several seconds. When reversing there is NO motion when the unit cycles. Someone on the list described an inexpensive electronic reverse unit for a price in the teens. If you read this could you update us on the unit? Of course, the simplest conversion is a can motor and DC power. This is not an option if you need AC for sound. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <AF336@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up > In a message dated 01/01/2004 11:14:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, > AF336@... writes: > I would be interested to hear if anyone on the list has a can motor > installation with a mechanical reverse unit that does not "crawl" in just > the slightest amount when switching directions. > Mine don't. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28833	From: Marty	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Pics

The Western Pacific is new and located in the California Adventure that opened up last year Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28834	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

<<<why you wont disclose your preference over the other guys can motor and controllers.>>> I DID "disclose my preference"....that was the whole point of my message. I prefer Dallee e-units over Lionel e-units which I've seen fail many times and had problems replacing, and also over QSI units which are really designed with three-rail O-gauge in mind, not 2-rail S. QSI are also larger units, making installation more difficult in some AF engines. And QSI are AC or DC specific, unlike Dallee. So there's my full disclosure, restated. I said NOTHING about anyone else's can motors. My posting was about electronic e-units, which is what the original posting asked about. Don't misquote me. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: jay walsh [mailto:prince71443@...] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:31 PM To: doug@... Cc: prince71443@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can motors and e-units hey peck please let us in on why you wont disclose your preference over the other guys can motor and controllers. i use several lionel electronic e units and its the same unit thats in there Flyer engines. mine go and go no problems very reliable and cost much less but i 've been running them for several years now. --- doug <doug@...> wrote: > <<<<The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 > feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try > the electronic e unit > solution - do you know where I can buy one, or > suggest which one is the best > etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard > to do with these - what > sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the > HO types are a little > weak.>>> > > Dallee electronic e-units are the BEST! > We sell them all the time in combination with the > SnS can motor kits. > One of the nice things about Dallee units is that > they work with either AC > or DC input....makes no difference. > So you can combine a $27.95 DC SnS can motor with a > $45 Dallee e-unit, even > though you're operating AC. > We sell the combination for $67.95 > This combination will give you very reliable, clean, > and quiet operation. > Installation is very simple----both the can motor > and the Dallee e-unit. > > I do not recommed using a Lionel electronic > e-unit......I have seen too many > of them fail. > We used to carry QSI e-units, but I prefer Dallee > for several reasons I > won't bother to go into here. > > A final strong point about Dallee products..... the > guys at Dallee are very > knowledgeable about AF.....you won't find that at > many other manufacturers > of multi-scale equipment! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28835	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

Doug, do you know who this guy is.I'm new to the list , but he has alreay called me a liar. Is this the kind of stuff I should send to Paul? I.W. >From: "doug" <doug@...> >Reply-To: <doug@...> >To: "'jay walsh'" <prince71443@...>,<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can motors and e-units >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:47:08 -0500 > ><<<why you wont disclose >your preference over the other guys can motor and >controllers.>>> > >I DID "disclose my preference"....that was the whole point of my message. I >prefer Dallee e-units over Lionel e-units which I've seen fail many times >and had problems replacing, and also over QSI units which are really >designed with three-rail O-gauge in mind, not 2-rail S. QSI are also larger >units, making installation more difficult in some AF engines. And QSI are >AC >or DC specific, unlike Dallee. >So there's my full disclosure, restated. > >I said NOTHING about anyone else's can motors. My posting was about >electronic e-units, which is what the original posting asked about. Don't >misquote me. > > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also >available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) >Website: http://www.portlines.com >E-mail: doug@... >VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: jay walsh [mailto:prince71443@...] >Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:31 PM >To: doug@... >Cc: prince71443@... >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can motors and e-units > > >hey peck please let us in on why you wont disclose >your preference over the other guys can motor and >controllers. i use several lionel electronic e units >and its the same unit thats in there Flyer engines. >mine go and go no problems very reliable and cost much >less but i 've been running them for several years >now. >--- doug <doug@...> wrote: > > <<<<The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 > > feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try > > the electronic e unit > > solution - do you know where I can buy one, or > > suggest which one is the best > > etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard > > to do with these - what > > sort of transformer should I look for - I expect the > > HO types are a little > > weak.>>> > > > > Dallee electronic e-units are the BEST! > > We sell them all the time in combination with the > > SnS can motor kits. > > One of the nice things about Dallee units is that > > they work with either AC > > or DC input....makes no difference. > > So you can combine a $27.95 DC SnS can motor with a > > $45 Dallee e-unit, even > > though you're operating AC. > > We sell the combination for $67.95 > > This combination will give you very reliable, clean, > > and quiet operation. > > Installation is very simple----both the can motor > > and the Dallee e-unit. > > > > I do not recommed using a Lionel electronic > > e-unit......I have seen too many > > of them fail. > > We used to carry QSI e-units, but I prefer Dallee > > for several reasons I > > won't bother to go into here. > > > > A final strong point about Dallee products..... the > > guys at Dallee are very > > knowledgeable about AF.....you won't find that at > > many other manufacturers > > of multi-scale equipment! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > > Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > > appointment: > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > Website: http://www.portlines.com > > E-mail: doug@... > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28836	From: keefer1	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

Doug , how about posting your vacation dates .Keith T. Kuzma--- doug <doug@...> wrote: > <<<why you wont disclose > your preference over the other guys can motor and > controllers.>>> > > I DID "disclose my preference"....that was the whole > point of my message. I > prefer Dallee e-units over Lionel e-units which I've > seen fail many times > and had problems replacing, and also over QSI units > which are really > designed with three-rail O-gauge in mind, not 2-rail > S. QSI are also larger > units, making installation more difficult in some AF > engines. And QSI are AC > or DC specific, unlike Dallee. > So there's my full disclosure, restated. > > I said NOTHING about anyone else's can motors. My > posting was about > electronic e-units, which is what the original > posting asked about. Don't > misquote me. > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jay walsh [mailto:prince71443@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:31 PM > To: doug@... > Cc: prince71443@... > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can motors and e-units > > > hey peck please let us in on why you wont disclose > your preference over the other guys can motor and > controllers. i use several lionel electronic e units > and its the same unit thats in there Flyer engines. > mine go and go no problems very reliable and cost > much > less but i 've been running them for several years > now. > --- doug <doug@...> wrote: > > <<<<The crawling can be as much as 1 - 2 > > feet - enough to be annoying. I would like to try > > the electronic e unit > > solution - do you know where I can buy one, or > > suggest which one is the best > > etc? Also - if I were to try DC which is not hard > > to do with these - what > > sort of transformer should I look for - I expect > the > > HO types are a little > > weak.>>> > > > > Dallee electronic e-units are the BEST! > > We sell them all the time in combination with the > > SnS can motor kits. > > One of the nice things about Dallee units is that > > they work with either AC > > or DC input....makes no difference. > > So you can combine a $27.95 DC SnS can motor with > a > > $45 Dallee e-unit, even > > though you're operating AC. > > We sell the combination for $67.95 > > This combination will give you very reliable, > clean, > > and quiet operation. > > Installation is very simple----both the can motor > > and the Dallee e-unit. > > > > I do not recommed using a Lionel electronic > > e-unit......I have seen too many > > of them fail. > > We used to carry QSI e-units, but I prefer Dallee > > for several reasons I > > won't bother to go into here. > > > > A final strong point about Dallee products..... > the > > guys at Dallee are very > > knowledgeable about AF.....you won't find that at > > many other manufacturers > > of multi-scale equipment! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > > Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > > appointment: > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > Website: http://www.portlines.com > > E-mail: doug@... > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28837	From: steve	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Parts and paint ... More information and pics too

Thanks for the input, again. I seem to have sparked a little controversy on this subject. To clarify what i'm talking about, here is a link to the loco I refered to in my post. It shows what loco it is and the paint flaking that it has, however, its not the best pic in the world and has distorted some of the black color making it appear green or redish. Besides this engine, I am also looking at replacing the horns on some diesels, since they are no longer there. "http://home.comcast.net/~bullwinkl/loco.htm" Thanks, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28838	From: doug	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

If I do, someone will probably take issue with me about my choice of dates! <G> We're closed from 1/9/04 - 1/19/04. Anyone needs an order shipped before 1/9, get it to us right away! Thanks. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: keefer1 [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:54 PM To: doug@... Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can motors and e-units Doug , how about posting your vacation dates .Keith T. Kuzma---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Can motors and e-units

Doug, take an extra week it's OK with me, not that you need my approval, Mike :) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28840	From: Tim	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Parts and paint ... More information and pics too

I use a black magic marker for touch-ups like that. It can be smudged in with a finger to feather the hard edges out. When it dries, it's perfect, at least to my 50+ year-old eyes. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Parts and paint ... More information and pics too Thanks for the input, again. I seem to have sparked a little controversy on this subject. To clarify what i'm talking about, here is a link to the loco I refered to in my post. It shows what loco it is and the paint flaking that it has, however, its not the best pic in the world and has distorted some of the black color making it appear green or redish. Besides this engine, I am also looking at replacing the horns on some diesels, since they are no longer there. "http://home.comcast.net/~bullwinkl/loco.htm" Thanks, steve S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28841	From: TCS	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: correction on set 809

809 MK&T sheathed 40' boxcar. 8-07 http://mopac1.tripod.com/809.gif I said it was a USRA sheathed 40' boxcar, it's not a USRA car. Tom Stolte www.oddballsdecals.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28842	From: firex43	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: The 497 Saga Continues

Regarding the end to end movement of the armature, the armature thrust plates that keep the ends of the armature shaft from wearing a dimple in the truck frames may be worn. These plates are bevelled as is the space in the truck frame where they are located. These plates are available from parts dealers such as Doug Peck @ Portlines or from Ron Leventon. My advice is to check and replace if needed but do not glue them in place. Their bevelling keeps the originals or repros in place and allows for replacement when needed. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28843	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /DieselArmatureThrustPlatesLTI10.jpg Uploaded by : gilbertguru <blueprince@...> Description : 10 Diesel Armature Thrust Plates You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/DieselArmatureThrustPlatesLTI10.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gilbertguru <blueprince@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28844	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: CHEAPER CARS 1/64th BUT IT'S E-BAY $2.00 ea

Buy Track Accessories Scenery, S Scale, Model RR Trains, and Toys Hobbies on eBay Here is a link that has alot of 1/64th cars in the $2.00 range. also a catogory that most won't look in. Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28845	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/1/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

No one seems to have responded to your query about the whistle blowing on DC. As far as I know, the only Flyer whistle that was triggered by a shot of DC was in the 314AW, which supposedly infringed on Lionel's whistle patent, or was simply a maintenance headache, depending on who gives you the story. The whistle in the other locomotives was fed modulated AC from either a vibrator or a more complicated line voltage powered whistle controller. The sound came from a miniature speaker in the tender which was "tuned" by a capacitor and resistor which were designed to "tune out" the 60 cycle hum from the power to the engine and let through the 600 cycle vibrator signal. Some people removed the resistor, which was there to increase the volume, but also overheated and could melt plastic bodies. Most of the time these "whistles" tend to sound more like a buzzer than a whistle. You can get more details in Tom Barker's "American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual", Chapter VII It would seem to me that this whistle would be even more effective on DC, as it wouldn't have to compete with the 60 cycle power source and the balancing act between the letting the 600 cycle whistle signal through to the speaker and keeping the 60 cycle power source hum out wouldn't be necessary. I have even wondered if more complicated and realistic sounds could be modulated into the track circuit and picked up by the speaker, maybe even the recorded sounds of actual whistles. Any thoughts? By the way, I'm an attorney and did some research on the patent infringement issue on the 314AW whistle and never could find an actual case at the appellate level where Lionel sued Gilbert over this or any other issue, though there might have been threats to do so. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "starr007" <starr007@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: 334DC A.F. engine > > > > > Subject: 334DC A.F. engine > > > The reason for this e-mail is as follows! I recently purchased a 334D.C. engine on E-bay. The engine was in great shape but the tender was damaged. I have 11 challenger engines, But none of them have tender trucks like this one! The trucks have two axles each, But there is a round, spring loaded pickup shoe in the middle where the 3rd axle would normally go. I have never seen a round pickup shoe on an A.F. engine before! The rivets seem to be original and the pikups seem to have been attached at the factory. The chassis is the correct number, PA10591. Have you ever seen any trucks matching this description? I first thought they might be from a 3/16 O guage engine, But I have a tender chassis from one of those and it is different! Any thoughts on this matter? Also, The description in the volume 1 of Greenbergs guide to A.F. says the tender contains a remote control electronic whistle in the tender. Mine contains a whistle but it is not original. My question is, If this is a D.C. engine, Is the whistle different fron the one in A.C. engines. I know that it is a shot of D.C. power that activates the whistle in A.C. engines, so if this was the same whistle it seems like it would be on all the time. Any help you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28846	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

As far as I know the 314AW used a controller that looked like a small 25 or 45 watt transformer (oval case), but with a toggle switch on top that sent the DC to the rails. I think it also works using the whistle control on a Lionel transformer. The Vacuum Tube unit was marketed in, I believe, 1950 and was the first "electronic whistle." I think all the speaker in loco units used it until the vibrator controllers were used in later years used the vibrator controls. One thing I have never figured out is whether or not the locomotive end of these whistles differed depending on whether or not they were to be used with the electronic controller or the vibrator controller. From what I have seen, the components are pretty much the same, speaker, capacitor and resistor. Maybe they had different values for the capacitor and resistor. I know the vibrators, according to Tom Barker, put out about 600 cycles. I am not sure whether they differed depending on whether they were labled "whistle" or "horn". I know they were not all identical, but I think they differed only in the pin wiring. There was one vibrator controller, the 710, which was variable and uses only one particular vibrator tube because of the pin wiring. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Anormal1@... To: dfsmith26@... ; Ss-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: 334DC A.F. engine Hi Dale, Did the 314AW use the Vacuum Tube whistle control? If so were there other engines that used it? Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28847	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

Dale Smith wrote: >It would seem to me that this whistle would be even more effective >on DC, as it wouldn't have to compete with the 60 cycle power source That might be true if the loco were being driven with PURE DC, but that is seldom the case, since the regulator and/or filter capacitors needed would add significantly to the expense involved. When most folks say they "run trains on DC" by wiring a rectifier between their transformer and track, what the loco gets isn't pure DC. It's either half-wave or full-wave pulsating DC, which contains a significant AC component. That component is constantly fed to the whistle/horn speaker whenever power is applied. >I'm an attorney and did some research on the patent infringement >issue on the 314AW whistle and never could find an actual case at the >appellate level where Lionel sued Gilbert over this or any other >issue, though there might have been threats to do so. Hmm, interesting. From what I've read of the issue (not much), it never got beyond the threat stage. There seems to be a consensus that Gilbert didn't put up much of a fuss about dropping the feature, given that it was reputedly a maintenance headache. I've worked on a couple of 314AWs over the years, and I can attest to the whistle's "headache" factor. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28848	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: GATS in Sacramento

There's a Gats in Sacramento on Jan. 3rd. and 4th. at the Cal-expo. I've never been to a GATS. Are they worth going to for a dyed in the wool American Flyer Hobbyist? Especially for one that Does Not have deep pockets? Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28849	From: larryasp	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento

Go - I went to one in Pualyp last year - lots of Flyer stuff, and prices were a bargain compared to ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento > > There's a Gats in Sacramento on Jan. 3rd. and 4th. at the Cal-expo. > I've never been to a GATS. Are they worth going to for a dyed in the wool > American Flyer Hobbyist? Especially for one that Does Not have deep pockets? > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28850	From: roy inman	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento

Bob, I can only speak from experience of attending GATS shows in two locations, Kansas City and Chicago. Chicago definitely. Last time I visited, I counted about 10 tables that had some S stuff, including American Flyer. The KC GATS show, on the other hand, was cancelled this fall. Last couple of years the show has been pretty much of a flop. Half the exhibit area was taken up with a computer expo, which was where most of the people were. So, I guess the short answer is "It depends." Others from around the country will plug in their experience locally, I'm sure. For myself, I almost always go to a train show, just on the off hand chance I might find something, if not in the way of equipment, maybe something for the train room, or maybe pick up an idea about scenery making, etc. Plus, I always figure a bad day of looking at trains (if there is such a thing?) is better than the best day working :) Cheers Roy Inman ---------- > From: Robert Wight <blueearthbob@...> > Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 06:43:04 -0800 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento > > There's a Gats in Sacramento on Jan. 3rd. and 4th. at the Cal-expo. > I've never been to a GATS. Are they worth going to for a dyed in the wool > American Flyer Hobbyist? Especially for one that Does Not have deep pockets? > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28851	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento

Roy; I see your point. Thanks. Im going to go then. Like you said, a bad day is better then no day. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:01:10 -0600 Bob, I can only speak from experience of attending GATS shows in two locations, Kansas City and Chicago. Chicago definitely. Last time I visited, I counted about 10 tables that had some S stuff, including American Flyer. The KC GATS show, on the other hand, was cancelled this fall. Last couple of years the show has been pretty much of a flop. Half the exhibit area was taken up with a computer expo, which was where most of the people were. So, I guess the short answer is "It depends." Others from around the country will plug in their experience locally, I'm sure. For myself, I almost always go to a train show, just on the off hand chance I might find something, if not in the way of equipment, maybe something for the train room, or maybe pick up an idea about scenery making, etc. Plus, I always figure a bad day of looking at trains (if there is such a thing?) is better than the best day working :) Cheers Roy Inman ---------- > From: Robert Wight <blueearthbob@...> > Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 06:43:04 -0800 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] GATS in Sacramento > > There's a Gats in Sacramento on Jan. 3rd. and 4th. at the Cal-expo. > I've never been to a GATS. Are they worth going to for a dyed in the wool > American Flyer Hobbyist? Especially for one that Does Not have deep pockets? > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28852	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

Believe it or not, it is important in which direction you run your trains, if they are always run in a loop. I once repaired an AF loco that I was able to tell the own that he ran his train clockwise under his tree. Ah, my dear Watson, you are curious as to what keen observation led me to that conclusion? Flange wear! It happens on the real railroads too. In this case, the left front driver flange, and the right rear one were worn to a sharp edge. So, the important thing is, CHANGE! One year run it clockwise, the next year counterclockwise! (or sooner, if it's a permanent layout) Yes, Change IS good! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28853	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolutions

I resolve not to ask questions that lead to any "fiasco" such as what type of smoke fluid the group uses. Ouch, opened a can of worms with that one. Happy New Year to all,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@e...> wrote: > Well said, Tim. > > My New Years resolution is to spend at least 20 hours > a week 'playing' with my trains. To heck with working > for a living!! > > Happy New Year, everyone. ...Barb > > Tim wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Maybe this is a great time for ALL of us to make a new year's resolution: May we always strive for the highest of standards in our postings on this most excellent forum in the world's most perfect hobby. Thanks again to Paul and Happy New Year to everyone, without exception! > > > > Tim Brown > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28854	From: steve	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: padding padding and more padding on ebay

I must say that some of the people on ebay must be really protecting the shipments of flyer stuff well. The amount of protective padding must be enormous. I see regularly on there very high prices on shipping for flyer stuff and as a seller on ebay I have a pretty good idea on shipping prices. So the other day I see a gondola, can't weigh more than a pound. The ad reads: "Buyer pays actual cost, no handling fee is added", "Normal shipping is by USPS Priority Mail " "Shipping and handling: US $6.00 (within United States) Buyer pays for all shipping costs" hmm.. I think that gondola must be awfully well protected. But ive never actually weighed a gondola so what do I know. But! Today I notice 5 knuckle couplers for sale with the same shipping policy and cost. For the record and for those who do not know, Shipping priority mail from anywhere in the country to anywhere in the country(U.S.lower48), on anything less than 1 pound is $3.85 exactly. The box is free, provided by the post office. Of coarse, the seller that ive used in the example, is just one of many that pad things really well; And of coarse, if you don't like someones shipping policies, you don't have to bid on their item, and sellers have the right to charge whatever they want. This post serves to inform on two levels. For those buyers who had no idea what shipping prices were, now you have some idea, at least VIA USPS priority, under 1 pound. For sellers: as a seller I have found that many people do know shipping costs, and do bid more on items when the shipping costs are not rediculously high. Last note: remember, a steam engine does not weigh the same as a gondola or a set of knuckle couplers, so why would the shipping cost be the same? The post office does not have a "set charge" for everything labled "american flyer". Just my thoughts. steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28855	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento

Bob, The Sac. Show should have Don Rosa with some tables, Howard'S TrainS--if he has recovered from recent surgery, and a few other S folks. You can use my name, if you dare! I don't know if it will help or not. Definately mention this group. You should have a chance to meet other S folks, AF folks, Scale folks, etc. at the meet. I would be there, but we have 29 days to get out of this house and into the "new" house, which still doesn't have a stove, and a few other niceties that would make life good. Let us know how you enjoy the show! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28856	From: Tim	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

When I place a bid for something on eBay, it is what I am willing to pay for the item AND the shipping costs included. If I get beat out, I get beat out. There will be other chances. Incidentally, I shipped something a year or so ago to Alaska and was surprised that it really didn't cost any more than shipping to, say San Diego from out here in the east. I think USPS shipping is subsidized to Alaska. Just an FYI. Sorry if this perpetuates a thread that others may not care for. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] padding padding and more padding on ebay I must say that some of the people on ebay must be really protecting the shipments of flyer stuff well. The amount of protective padding must be enormous. I see regularly on there very high prices on shipping for flyer stuff and as a seller on ebay I have a pretty good idea on shipping prices. So the other day I see a gondola, can't weigh more than a pound. The ad reads: "Buyer pays actual cost, no handling fee is added", "Normal shipping is by USPS Priority Mail " "Shipping and handling: US $6.00 (within United States) Buyer pays for all shipping costs" hmm.. I think that gondola must be awfully well protected. But ive never actually weighed a gondola so what do I know. But! Today I notice 5 knuckle couplers for sale with the same shipping policy and cost. For the record and for those who do not know, Shipping priority mail from anywhere in the country to anywhere in the country(U.S.lower48), on anything less than 1 pound is $3.85 exactly. The box is free, provided by the post office. Of coarse, the seller that ive used in the example, is just one of many that pad things really well; And of coarse, if you don't like someones shipping policies, you don't have to bid on their item, and sellers have the right to charge whatever they want. This post serves to inform on two levels. For those buyers who had no idea what shipping prices were, now you have some idea, at least VIA USPS priority, under 1 pound. For sellers: as a seller I have found that many people do know shipping costs, and do bid more on items when the shipping costs are not rediculously high. Last note: remember, a steam engine does not weigh the same as a gondola or a set of knuckle couplers, so why would the shipping cost be the same? The post office does not have a "set charge" for everything labled "american flyer". Just my thoughts. steve S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28857	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2127

E-units: To reduce the voltage to the remote control unit and maintain the voltage to the can motor wire a small full wave rectifier ahead of the remote control unit, it will reduce the voltage to the unit and quite it down. I have used several different electronic units, they all work good, some better than others for certain applications. Can't beat the cost of the original. I have a box full of original Flyer remote control units and a box fill of parts, So I prefer to use the original units after I tune them up to excellent working order, Even to the point of replacing the burnt fingers on the finger unit, only one of the two carry the current and is usually burned out. Being retired I have more time than money. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28858	From: starr007	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: whistle controller

Greetings, Does anyone out there in trainland have a electronic whistle controller for a 324 A.C. or 334D.C. A.F. engine. I would like to buy one if there is one available. Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28859	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

Seems, as you quote, ...."the seller that ive used in the example, is just one of many that pad things really well;...." including the shipping costs. Rance Velapoldi steve wrote: >I must say that some of the people on ebay must be really protecting >the shipments of flyer stuff well. The amount of protective padding >must be enormous. I see regularly on there very high prices on >shipping for flyer stuff and as a seller on ebay I have a pretty good >idea on shipping prices. > >So the other day I see a gondola, can't weigh more than a pound. >The ad reads: >"Buyer pays actual cost, no handling fee is added", >"Normal shipping is by USPS Priority Mail " >"Shipping and handling: US $6.00 (within United States) >Buyer pays for all shipping costs" >hmm.. I think that gondola must be awfully well protected. But ive >never actually weighed a gondola so what do I know. >But! Today I notice 5 knuckle couplers for sale with the same >shipping policy and cost. >For the record and for those who do not know, Shipping priority mail >from anywhere in the country to anywhere in the country(U.S.lower48), >on anything less than 1 pound is $3.85 exactly. The box is free, >provided by the post office. >Of coarse, the seller that ive used in the example, is just one of >many that pad things really well; And of coarse, if you don't like >someones shipping policies, you don't have to bid on their item, and >sellers have the right to charge whatever they want. >This post serves to inform on two levels. >For those buyers who had no idea what shipping prices were, now you >have some idea, at least VIA USPS priority, under 1 pound. >For sellers: as a seller I have found that many people do know >shipping costs, and do bid more on items when the shipping costs are >not rediculously high. > >Last note: remember, a steam engine does not weigh the same as a >gondola or a set of knuckle couplers, so why would the shipping cost >be the same? The post office does not have a "set charge" for >everything labled "american flyer". > >Just my thoughts. >steve > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28860	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: "Challengers", and beat up hard-to-find equipment

Somebody mentioned owning "Challenger" engines. I don't want to sound picky, but 332's, 332AC's, 332DC's, 334DC's, K335's, 336's, 21139's, and 21140's are NOT Challenger engines. They were put in sets called the Challengers, probably because the Union Pacific had a passenger train called the Challenger. A Challenger engine is a 4-6-6-4 wheel arrangement. The American Flyer engines listed above are 4-8-4's, most commonly known as "Northerns", (or depending on the railroads that owned them, Poconos, Niagras or several other names.) While on my soapbox, the railroad some spell "Sante Fe" is actually the "Santa Fe", and it's S "gauge", not S "guage". Off soapbox now. As for beat-up original equipment, (especially to whoever owns that 21115 with scratches) and whether to restore it or not, I would suggest doing nothing to it if you think that you are going to resell it. One good thing about buying beat-up equipment is that you know it's original. That's not to infer that really nice stuff is faked, of course, but if someboby was going to fake it, they would try to make it look really nice. If you really intend to keep it, restore it if it bothers you. I wouldn't repaint any more than is necessary. Definitely don't paint over things like numbers that make a piece what it is (and don't put cover lettering directly with masking tape as it tends to remove the lettering when pulled off.) I've anguished over restoring things, too, repainting some and leaving others alone, but it's up to every individual what to do. Miker Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28861	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

***(((I must say that some of the people on ebay must be really protecting the shipments of flyer stuff well. The amount of protective padding must be enormous. I see regularly on there very high prices on shipping for flyer stuff and as a seller on ebay I have a pretty good idea on shipping prices.))*** I think we discussed this just recently........I don't think it's totaly for paying for padding...add in tape, box, blah-blah-blah.....and more for the "act" of packing an item. My motto has always been, whether I'm selling or buying...."I HATE INFLATED SHIPPING CHARGES!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28862	From: keefer1	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: paint match

Anyone have a decent match for UP grey on the pa's?Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28864	From: William Lange	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Corner modules

While I'm tapping the collective 'list-brains', how about a source of corner module plans for a modular layout? I'm hoping to run S-Trax 29" curves as the minimum radius on a 12'x12' modular layout. Thanks again! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28865	From: William Lange	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: DCC?

Happy New Year to all! As I enjoy my holiday layout, my thoughts are turning to the next project. I hope to begin construction of a modular layout in the basement as spring approaches. One of the many new things under consideration is running the layout with DCC. There is a lot of info out there to digest, but I sure would like to hear from someone who runs 'S', preferably mixing new hi-rail and classic American Flyer. I'm slowly digesting Digitrax's Big Book of DCC. The layout under consideration would have 2 mainlines running around a 12' x12' square with accessories and the odd siding, and a 10' x10' L for yard work and reversing connected at one end. As always, thanks for the great ideas that abound with this group! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28866	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento

Well,...I won't be hitting the GATS up in Sacramento CA,...but will down in Santa Barbara on the 10th or 11th of Jan. Small show, but it is close...only a couple of hours one way for me! Bob,....ya gotta go to the one in Sac.!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28867	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Krispy Kreme

Here is one of the first Krispy Kreme stores on an AF layout. It is a part of the Snow Village collection and was a Christmas gift from my wife. Note how convenient it is to the local fire station. Happy New Year everyone. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28868	From: TCS	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

810 SL-SF FFF logo for steam engine tenders http://mopac1.tripod.com/810.gif 811 SL-SF Meteor Steam locos http://mopac1.tripod.com/811.gif Please see web page for prices for the above sets, they are located at the end of the set number in RED lettering. http://mopac1.tripod.com/oddballs3.htm#SLSF 812 SL-SF heralds. 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, 1 inch & 1 1/2 inch. Real inch, not scale inch. http://mopac1.tripod.com/812.gif 813 SL-SF heralds. 1 3/4 inch & 2 inch. Real inch, not scale inch. http://mopac1.tripod.com/813.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28869	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Almost too late

I was packing up my livingroom layout as I put away the other Christmas items when I took one picture just before I pulled it apart. Not much left, but I posted it in the "group" photo section. Everyone else took pictures of such nice layouts that I'd not taken any till it was almost gone. In any case, I had fun with the little I did have set up. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Hallmark's 1948 Panhead Harley

Anyone else pick up the Hallmark #5 (in the series) '48 Panhead Harley?? Pretty niiiiice!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28871	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: yahoo groups message

Has anyone else received a message, supposedly from yahoo, with a link telling them that messages are bouncing and that they need to reactivate their account by clicking on the link. Seems a little bogus as I checked the yahoo groups site and I am right up to date with my messages. If I get this message I will be sure everything is OK. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28872	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: Re: yahoo groups message

At 09:25 PM 1/2/04 -0800, you wrote: >Has anyone else received a message, supposedly from yahoo, with a link >telling them that messages are bouncing and that they need to reactivate >their account by clicking on the link. Seems a little bogus as I checked >the yahoo groups site and I am right up to date with my messages. If I >get this message I will be sure everything is OK. > >Dale Smith >Pacifica, CA Sounds like the E-bay scam that was being pulled awhile back. Don't click on any link.....................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28873	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2004
Subject: S Gauge Model Railroading Video Vol.VII

Volume VII will begin shipping on Jan. 12th. For the first time it is available on DVD. Price is the same as always for the VHS tape ($14) and $15 for DVD. Prices include shipping. Lots and lots of layouts in this one and three train shows in California and Wisconsin. We are accepting your checks or money orders now. Steve 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28874	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: yahoo groups message

Yes, I have received those often. The Yahoo ones and the Ebey ones. There all scams. Dont click any links. There bad bad men behind them. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dennis Donovan <riker@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] yahoo groups message Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:32:27 -0500 At 09:25 PM 1/2/04 -0800, you wrote: >Has anyone else received a message, supposedly from yahoo, with a link >telling them that messages are bouncing and that they need to reactivate >their account by clicking on the link. Seems a little bogus as I checked >the yahoo groups site and I am right up to date with my messages. If I >get this message I will be sure everything is OK. > >Dale Smith >Pacifica, CA Sounds like the E-bay scam that was being pulled awhile back. Don't click on any link.....................D.D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28875	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Photo Album Tips

1) If you have not visited http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album13 lately, I suggest you go there. This album is packed with interesting high quality photos. Great job Chuck! 2) The photo album has a search. It is located on the very top page of the album. (upper right corner) http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums.php or http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/search.php Just type in a key word like S-helper or lionel or whiteoak If you would like to show your pictures in a photo album, please contact me. It's free and it's fun. Your relatives will be impressed. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28876	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: 334DC A.F. engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@n...> wrote: > As far as I know the 314AW used a controller that looked like a small 25 or 45 watt transformer (oval case), but with a toggle switch on top that sent the DC to the rails. I think it also works using the whistle control on a Lionel transformer. The Vacuum Tube unit was marketed in, I believe, 1950 and was the first "electronic whistle." I think all the speaker in loco units used it until the vibrator controllers were used in later years used the vibrator controls. One thing I have never figured out is whether or not the locomotive end of these whistles differed depending on whether or not they were to be used with the electronic controller or the vibrator controller. From what I have seen, the components are pretty much the same, speaker, capacitor and resistor. Maybe they had different values for the capacitor and resistor. I know the vibrators, according to Tom Barker, put out about 600 cycles. I am not sure whether they differed depending on whether they were labled "whistle" or "horn". I know they were not all identical, but I think they differed only in the pin wiring. There was one vibrator controller, the 710, which was variable and uses only one particular vibrator tube because of the pin wiring. > > Dale Smith > Pacifica, CA Here is a question to someone who has heard or owned all three types of vibrator whistles: Out of the 1950 "Electronic Whistle", pushbutton "Airchime" controller from 1951-1954, and the 1955 710 slide whistle controller, which one has the best sound? Do the more complicated innards of the 1950 Electronic Whistle console produce a better sound than the pushbutton Airchime controllers? Does the 710's pitch-varying capability make it sound the most realistic? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28877	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: time, time, time

Hi guys and gals, The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on the average in a week? I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it only got up to 60 by evening. How do you people do it? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28878	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

Here is a short clip just for fun. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.avi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28879	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

More, more !! ;^) Looks great, Mark. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video > > > Here is a short clip just for fun. > > > > http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.avi > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28880	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Greenberg Show - North Florida

Greetings! I received this post from the Plasticville list and thought I would pass it on. Happy New Year!!! Bill (nDb) Trefts 1. Greenberg train show north FL From: Ogauge749050467@... _____________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:43:28 EST From: Ogauge749050467@... Subject: Greenberg train show north FL Hi all and Northern FL train nuts Got an email form Greenberg Shows that there will be a show in Jacksonville FL date is Feb 7&8 time 10am to 4pm cost $7.00 for both days kids under 11 free where: the Jacksonville Agriculture Fairgrounds (they didn't say but I guess the fairground people will be charging for parking) Sort of surprised me cause they quit having them a few years ago. I just hope they are careful with a date if they are going to have one next year cause the Superbowl will be played here and the fairgrounds is used as a parking lot for the football stadium. Too bad they didn't decide to have it at the Moroccan building on St. Johns Bluff, would be no conflict with the stadium events and the parking is free there. I suggested that to them after they canceled the show a few years ago because of a big problem with a football playoff game at the stadium the same day as the show. Frank Duszczak _______ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28881	From: Tim	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time

It varies for me. I work in spurts on the adrenaline of inspiration. To put a number on it, I'd figure maybe 2-3 hours a day on the average = about 14-21 hours a week. That includes run time. You gotta have run time. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Jollivier4@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] time, time, time Hi guys and gals, The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on the average in a week? I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it only got up to 60 by evening. How do you people do it? Jacques S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28882	From: runtro	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: track trips

I have two electric track trips(26671& 26673) but I don't have any instructions for their hookup. I would appreciate any assistance in this dilemma. Thanks, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28883	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time

Priorities, Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] time, time, time > Hi guys and gals, > > The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short > periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious > how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on > the average in a week? > > I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my > layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from > them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it > only got up to 60 by evening. > > How do you people do it? > > Jacques > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28884	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Panhead tree ornament

I tried to hang my '47 Knucklehead on the tree this year,but it bent the tree in two! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28885	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time

Hi Jacques, I try for 10 hours per week in the train room. In 2004, I am going to go for 20 hours. But there are some weeks that I only get 4 hours - but never less than that. You just have to set aside the time, get the boys involved and the wife too. There is lots they can do and help with. So if you make it a family affair, you won't be taking time from them. Good luck ...Barb Jollivier4@... wrote: > Hi guys and gals, > > The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short > periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious > how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on > the average in a week? > > I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my > layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from > them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it > only got up to 60 by evening. > > How do you people do it? > > Jacques > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28886	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time

When my kids were that age I would have them building things for the layout while I was working on the layout. They all had there own scenery items they made. It realy kept them busy making Trees. Pretty easy work. Also polymer clay. You can have them make tiny things out of that clay then you bake it and its like ceramic. The kitten in the tree on my photo's page was made by my middle daughter. She also made a great cop with a coffe cup and donut. So that's how I could spend the time with them at the same time working on the railroad. When I was working before my disability and worked 12 hours aday I usually spent a hour a evening with the kids and the train layout. Then one day on the weekend we would put in four hours. Thats what I did. Then that changed after my disability. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>,<Jollivier4@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] time, time, time Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:11:51 -0500 It varies for me. I work in spurts on the adrenaline of inspiration. To put a number on it, I'd figure maybe 2-3 hours a day on the average = about 14-21 hours a week. That includes run time. You gotta have run time. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Jollivier4@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] time, time, time Hi guys and gals, The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on the average in a week? I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it only got up to 60 by evening. How do you people do it? Jacques S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28887	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

KOHL! Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:18:02 -0600 Here is a short clip just for fun. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.avi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28888	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: The GATS show in CA.

As advised, I went to the GATS show this Saturday in Sacramento. It was very interesting the way things happened. My lady friend decided not to work today so we went today instead of Sunday. I dont like driving. So she drove me there and as i was going in the building I mentioned I had the $50 that her father gave me as a gift to spend on my hobby only. The parking was $7.00 so we parked down the road and walked in. Then it was $7.00 each to get in but had a coupon off the websight and got $1.00 each off. The very first table I got to had a like brand new. Perfect condition 18B Transformer. 190 watt. It was $50.00 no tax. So I got that. The next table I met Don Rosa. It was a good show realy. Most the tables I thought they were realy dreaming on there prices and saw very little purchasing going on. There was alot more Flyer there then I expected. They had some nice running layouts. Just a nice show. If it wasnt for the 18B I wouldnt have paid those prices. I would of staed with ebay. But over all it was well worth going. Thanks. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28889	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

Hmmm it is only 996K. Not sure what the deal is, but it shouldn't take long to download. It is only a 3 second clip. -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:11 PM To: Mark Kiner Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video Mark, I can't get it to download. I had it at 45.99% and then it hung, and now it just seems "hung" maybe my modem is too slow. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28890	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

Try this one. It is an apple quicktime file. It will not play with windows media player. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/336.mov -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kiner [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video Hmmm it is only 996K. Not sure what the deal is, but it shouldn't take long to download. It is only a 3 second clip. -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:11 PM To: Mark Kiner Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video Mark, I can't get it to download. I had it at 45.99% and then it hung, and now it just seems "hung" maybe my modem is too slow. David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28891	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

Probably the best thing to do is right click on the link and then use "save as" Once you have it on your local disk you can play it. Assuming you have something to play an avi file. The thumbnail is only the first frame of the video. Do you have an avi video player? I will upload another file of the 343 as an apple qt. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.mov Mark -----Original Message----- From: Ed Eckert [mailto:ejenterp@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:51 PM To: Mark Kiner Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video So I went and entered the site manually into ie and viewed it as a thumbnail. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video > Hmmm it is only 996K. > > Not sure what the deal is, but it shouldn't take long to download. It is > only a 3 second clip. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:11 PM > To: Mark Kiner > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video > > Mark, > I can't get it to download. I had it at 45.99% and then it hung, and now > it just seems "hung" maybe my modem is too slow. > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28892	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: 343 on avi video

If anyone wants to download the quicktime player and doesn't know where to find it I have pasted the link below: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qt/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kiner [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 6:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video Probably the best thing to do is right click on the link and then use "save as" Once you have it on your local disk you can play it. Assuming you have something to play an avi file. The thumbnail is only the first frame of the video. Do you have an avi video player? I will upload another file of the 343 as an apple qt. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.mov Mark -----Original Message----- From: Ed Eckert [mailto:ejenterp@...] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:51 PM To: Mark Kiner Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video So I went and entered the site manually into ie and viewed it as a thumbnail. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video > Hmmm it is only 996K. > > Not sure what the deal is, but it shouldn't take long to download. It is > only a 3 second clip. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:11 PM > To: Mark Kiner > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 343 on avi video > > Mark, > I can't get it to download. I had it at 45.99% and then it hung, and now > it just seems "hung" maybe my modem is too slow. > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28893	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Video oops!

I forgot part of the response to "S-Gauge Model Railroading" videos. Yes, we still have copies of all 6 previous. volumes available..... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28894	From: waldootten	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?

Maybe I'm missing something here. But $500 (right now) for a 314AW in what appears to be VG+ at best, and with the common trailng truck, and while the seller says the wrapper shown is included, it doesn't say it is the original... I see no stamp and it looks too short. Flyer experts: any ideas why this one is in such demand? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3167362477 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28895	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Archives--Help

First of all, Happy New Year to All! Several months ago Tom Jarcho submitted a lenghty list of notes concerning around 3 or 4 years of his "Roundhouse" column in S-gaugian magazine. I am hoping that Tom or anyone can steer me to the month that this was listed so that I can find it to copy and include in my S-gaugians. Thanks Oh Boy! Trains!.................Herky 1950.... Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28896	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?

THAT CAN'T BE THE ORIGINAL WRAPPER AS LIKE YOU SAID....ITS TOO SHORT.....The TM price guide list 290 - 310 for excellent.....Maybe the bidders got a lot of money for Christmas....Lately I have lost some items at stupid prices.....and found a few good buys.......Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Whaaa? eBay overbidding? > Maybe I'm missing something here. But $500 (right now) for a 314AW > in what appears to be VG+ at best, and with the common trailng > truck, and while the seller says the wrapper shown is included, it > doesn't say it is the original... I see no stamp and it looks too > short. > > Flyer experts: any ideas why this one is in such demand? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3167362477 > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28897	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: time, time, time

1/3/04 Hi Jacques, I have a somewhat similar situation where I have a 7 year old that is into baseball, soccer, and now Boy Scouts. Between working 10 to 12 hours a day on weekdays, keeping up with my son's activities, keeping up with other home maintenance/improvement things, training for an annual 200 mile bicycle ride, and my home boss' quality time there is not too much time left for the trains. I spend pretty close to 0 hours during the warm and sunny part of the year, say between Memorial Day and Labor Day. After Labor Day when the daylight hours get shorter and the days get colder, there are more opportunities for the trains. At best, even during the colder months I am lucky if I can get 4 hours a week in on average, but I will still go to train shows at every opportunity all year round and surf the net looking for more neat stuff to add to the layout! When there is time, I am almost always in there with my son, and he does a good chunk of the landscaping stuff for me etc. He likes to build roads, add grass and earth, and make up really long trains. They only problem that I have is that he likes Tornados and Hurricanes, and there is always one or the other brewing on my layout every time we are in there. In other words, there are sections of it that are reconstructed quite often, and I have no idea which one of those green shack roofs go with which accessory originally! All in all we have fun in there, and if a few of the K Line cars get blown away by a spontaneous Hurricane, it's all in a days work. Hey, it sounds like you could use some heat in your train room. How's about a little insulation and some sort of permanent heat source. It really is not too nice if you are not comfortable while working on the trains. It takes the enjoyment right out of it. I originally started my layout in the basement, but when the weather got cold, the mercury dipped to 50 F in the basement, which was not comfortable for me. I told the boss that I am going to run a 60 amp subpanel to the basement and install some electric heating. I showed her my materials list and estimated materials cost, and to make a long story short, I got the living room instead, about a 16' by 20' room. I'm still going to do the basement layout, but that will be later! All the best Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28898	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Sacramento

Probably depends on what part of the country you're in. I went to the one in Little Rock. The ONLY piece of AF at the entire show was a whistling billboard. Skip Kendel ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 06:43:04 -0800 > From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> > Subject: GATS in Sacramento > > > There's a Gats in Sacramento on Jan. 3rd. and 4th. at the Cal-expo. > I've never been to a GATS. Are they worth going to for a dyed in the wool > American Flyer Hobbyist? Especially for one that Does Not have deep pockets?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28899	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

I agree. I passed on a loco shell that I wanted just this week. Opening bid - $5.00 with no bidders 5 minutes before the auction closed. Shipping - $10.00. No thank you. Skip Kendel ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:35:28 -0000 > From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> > Subject: padding padding and more padding on ebay > > I must say that some of the people on ebay must be really protecting > the shipments of flyer stuff well. The amount of protective padding > must be enormous. I see regularly on there very high prices on > shipping for flyer stuff and as a seller on ebay I have a pretty good > idea on shipping prices. > > So the other day I see a gondola, can't weigh more than a pound. > The ad reads: > "Buyer pays actual cost, no handling fee is added", > "Normal shipping is by USPS Priority Mail " > "Shipping and handling: US $6.00 (within United States) > Buyer pays for all shipping costs" > hmm.. I think that gondola must be awfully well protected. But ive > never actually weighed a gondola so what do I know. > But! Today I notice 5 knuckle couplers for sale with the same > shipping policy and cost. > For the record and for those who do not know, Shipping priority mail > from anywhere in the country to anywhere in the country(U.S.lower48), > on anything less than 1 pound is $3.85 exactly. The box is free, > provided by the post office. > Of coarse, the seller that ive used in the example, is just one of > many that pad things really well; And of coarse, if you don't like > someones shipping policies, you don't have to bid on their item, and > sellers have the right to charge whatever they want. > This post serves to inform on two levels. > For those buyers who had no idea what shipping prices were, now you > have some idea, at least VIA USPS priority, under 1 pound. > For sellers: as a seller I have found that many people do know > shipping costs, and do bid more on items when the shipping costs are > not rediculously high. > > Last note: remember, a steam engine does not weigh the same as a > gondola or a set of knuckle couplers, so why would the shipping cost > be the same? The post office does not have a "set charge" for > everything labled "american flyer". > > Just my thoughts. > steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28900	From: waldootten	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Whaaa? eBay overbidding?

Yeah... and I forgot to mention the original whistle control isn't there, either -- that's worth $60 to $100 depending on condition... Phil K > THAT CAN'T BE THE ORIGINAL WRAPPER AS LIKE YOU SAID....ITS TOO SHORT.....The > TM price guide list 290 - 310 for excellent.....Maybe the bidders got a lot > of money for Christmas....Lately I have lost some items at stupid > prices.....and found a few good buys.......Bob Conner > Subject: [S-Trains] Whaaa? eBay overbidding? > > > > Maybe I'm missing something here. But $500 (right now) for a 314AW > > in what appears to be VG+ at best, and with the common trailng > > truck, and while the seller says the wrapper shown is included, it > > doesn't say it is the original... I see no stamp and it looks too > > short. > > > > Flyer experts: any ideas why this one is in such demand? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3167362477 > > > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28901	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

Heres another view of the padding,padding thing. I sold some VW's with trailers. In the descriptio I said shipping was $3.00 + $1.10 ins. . I said nothing about combing items. But I did for buyers of 2. I get a E-mail from a buyer That I had not gotten around to sending the excess back. It cost me $3.85 + $1.10. By paying thru Paypal he paid $8.20.. I sent him back $3.00. Which I was going to without him asking. He still was not happy because the $.45 that he was charged for handling. The cost of the box $.30 & my time to go to PO & Packing $.20. I wound up sending him another $3.00 just to stop his crying. the point: I stated the cost of S&H in the aquction. He gets the item looks at the cost & crys about the $.45 like I had taken a knife to his neck to buy them. He then complained they did not match Ertl size I took a scale ruler to them & they are the right size. I told him send them back & I would refund ALL his $ including S&H. He still was not happy all the while using foul language to insult me. The thing that ended the E-mails back & forth was I asked him what really was bothering him? Santa left a lump of coal? I assured him Santa would next year. Mike (Tired of typing & getting ready to move) S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28902	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: THE LCL CORPORATION

Hello all, I've wondered about the following and have not had luck researching on the net- How did the railroads use AIR ACTIVATED CONTAINERS on the DELAWARE AND HUDSON, from THE LCL CORPORATION? I have a gondola with the containers and have always wondered how they were loaded/off loaded etc. They remind me of small grain silos. Thanks all, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28903	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130

Too short, too short. :-) Mac ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:18:02 -0600 From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Subject: RE: 343 on avi video Here is a short clip just for fun. http://www.mwkiner.com/christmas/343.avi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28904	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130

Has anyone else received a message, supposedly from yahoo, with a link telling them that messages are bouncing and that they need to reactivate their account by clicking on the link. Seems a little bogus as I checked the yahoo groups site and I am right up to date with my messages. If I get this message I will be sure everything is OK. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA Please be very careful with these. Yahoo does not ask for that info, nor Ebay, nor PayPal. They want your credit card info etc. I often send a quick note to Ebay or Yahoo with a copy - who knows, maybe they'll catch up with the creep some time. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28905	From: rfgiardina	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: padding padding and more padding on ebay

Welcome to the club, Mike. Was that person on this list? In all fareness, most people don't have the time to read the auction listings and feel that this is just a hobby. You shouldn't charge any handling at all. Just throw the item in a bag or box, you get for free, don't pay your employees or the lighting company etc. Also most peolpe don't know that Ebay and Paypal charge the seller several fees. You should include all that in the price of the item or concider it a cost of doing "hobby". I never bid on anything until I know what the S&H is. But once I do bid, if the S&H is stated, I feel it is as Ebay says, a contract. If you complain after the fact, or give "negatives", I think, IHMO, it is dishonest and dishonorable. The game is over, you don't like the outcome, so lets change the rules. We sell some items that are only $2.00. Our actual Ebay and Paypal fees on that item would be $1.30, add the box .50 , postage .65, tape, invoice, "padding", and overhead, costs us $3.25. So what should we do? Add $3.25 to the cost of the item? or Charge $3.00 S&H, with a $1.00 discount for on each addition item, and a $2.00 discount on multiples of the same item? I'll answer my own question, option 3, don't charge S&H! :) Bob -Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > Heres another view of the padding,padding thing. I sold some VW's with > trailers. In the descriptio I said shipping was $3.00 + $1.10 ins. . I said nothing > about combing items. But I did for buyers of 2. I get a E-mail from a buyer > That I had not gotten around to sending the excess back. It cost me $3.85 + > $1.10. By paying thru Paypal he paid $8.20.. I sent him back $3.00. Which I was > going to without him asking. He still was not happy because the $.45 that he > was charged for handling. The cost of the box $.30 & my time to go to PO & > Packing $.20. I wound up sending him another $3.00 just to stop his crying. the > point: I stated the cost of S&H in the aquction. He gets the item looks at the > cost & crys about the $.45 like I had taken a knife to his neck to buy them. > He then complained they did not match Ertl size I took a scale ruler to them > & they are the right size. I told him send them back & I would refund ALL > his $ including S&H. He still was not happy all the while using foul language to > insult me. The thing that ended the E-mails back & forth was I asked him what > really was bothering him? Santa left a lump of coal? I assured him Santa > would next year. Mike (Tired of typing & getting ready to move) S. > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28906	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Krispy Kreme store photo

With the assistance of Paul Yorke, here is the photo from my AF layout. The building is from the Snow Village collection. It has separate lights for the windows and interior and the "KK" sign rotates via a small motor. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun87 Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28907	From: steve	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: (no subject)

> I,m not sure I understood wich option you thought was best. > personally I would, and do, add the price into the item. > Putting it in as shipping can be a little deceptive to a buyer who > has looked at several of the same item and has seen, pretty much the > same price on them for shipping. Then they come to another of the > same itme and forget to check, later to discover that shipping is > much higher. > Personally I would never fail to pay for an auction that I won even > If I had somehow missed the shipping cost. I agree with you on > the "contract" idea and would not break that. > Its a tough game out there with shipping costs as high as they are, > paypal, etc..., lets face it the real money is being made by paypal > not us! > The thing that gets me most is when people claim they don't charge > handleing fees and then misslead as to what the shipping cost is and > how the item will be shipped. > As for mike stricklands experience, you wen't way too far to > accomidate your buyer on that issue wich shows your integrety, but, > cirtainly, you should not have to deal with buyers that can't > fullfill their obligations without trying to change things after the > fact. Its happened to me on several occasions, and I must admit, I > bent too. > > steve Furter: someone sent me a message that leads me to think that possibly priority shipping may be different depending on where you send it from. Personally it cost me $3.85 to anywhere in the lower 48, what are your experiences and are you shipping from US post office or from a secondary party such as in a grocery store mail center or the like? Welcome to the club, Mike. Was that person on this list? In all fareness, most people don't have the time to read the auction listings and feel that this is just a hobby. You shouldn't charge any handling at all. Just throw the item in a bag or box, you get for free, don't pay your employees or the lighting company etc. Also most peolpe don't know that Ebay and Paypal charge the seller several fees. You should include all that in the price of the item or concider it a cost of doing "hobby". I never bid on anything until I know what the S&H is. But once I do bid, if the S&H is stated, I feel it is as Ebay says, a contract. If you complain after the fact, or give "negatives", I think, IHMO, it is dishonest and dishonorable. The game is over, you don't like the outcome, so lets change the rules. We sell some items that are only $2.00. Our actual Ebay and Paypal fees on that item would be $1.30, add the box .50 , postage .65, tape, invoice, "padding", and overhead, costs us $3.25. So what should we do? Add $3.25 to the cost of the item? or Charge $3.00 S&H, with a $1.00 discount for on each addition item, and a $2.00 discount on multiples of the same item? I'll answer my own question, option 3, don't charge S&H! :) Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28908	From: Dan	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Re: time, time, time

Jacques, Your question illustrates why some of us stick with flat, "toylike" Flyer layouts rather than building elaborate scenery. I admire the achievements of my friends who build scenery, but I'm simply not willing to put in the time to do it. To each his own (or her own). Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] time, time, time > Hi guys and gals, > > The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending short > periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm curious > how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts on > the average in a week? > > I go for several weeks sometimes without an opportunity to get out to my > layout. I am still raising two boys (7 & 9), so time out there is time away from > them and the home boss. Also I had the heater on all day yesterday, and it > only got up to 60 by evening. > > How do you people do it? > > Jacques > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28909	From: roy inman	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] time, time, time

Jacques, et al, I spend very little time working on layouts. But I have collected over the years a number of shortcuts to putting the stuff together, to accommodate my lazy streak. I find that once I get all the "pieces" collected in one place, scenery making actually goes pretty fast. My neighbor and I built an entire 4x8 module for our train show layout in a couple of weekends. It features a mountain, with lighted tunnel (so the camera car can "see" inside), a hobo village composed mostly of painted and weathered Plasticville stuff, and lots of various sizes of furnace filter trees, kitty litter for ballast, etc. The dedicated scale folks might not approve, but the casual visitor to the layout finds it quirky and fun, so they tell us. The real problem for us is keeping the darn thing clean. A real dust magnet it is. But as Dan says. "to each his (or her) own." Amen to that. I always it fun, interesting and entertaining to see how another train enthusiast has gone about presenting his or her work to the world. I really enjoy, for example, a "flat" layout composed of mostly Gilbert accessories, switches (turnouts), signals, etc. Just plain fun!!! Happy New Year to all :)) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Dan <dbrindell@...> > Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:54:19 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jollivier4@... > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] time, time, time > > The editorial in the new Collecting Toy Trains (CTT) discussed spending > short >> periods of time working on a layout and how that time can add up. I'm > curious >> how much time do the members on this list spend working on their layouts > on >> the average in a week?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28910	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] (unknown)

ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2004
Subject: PADDING

Hi Steve & all,                            I think most buyers get confused with shipping cost &  postage. They tend to think tat shipping cost does not include boxes tape & minor labor cost. it also includes Postage. They tend to think shipping is the same as postage. The listing clearly says shipping (postage, materials, etc.). E-BAY also includes S&H in their listing costs. I'm still arguing with this guy how has now sent me back $2.00 stating it wasn't the money.  Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28912	From: steve	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: the $3.85 thing

Addition: I just got an e-mail that pointed out that the $3.85 is only for 1LB or less, I meant to say that myself but neglected to. Thanks for the correction. Steve > Furter: > someone sent me a message that leads me to think that possibly > priority shipping may be different depending on where you send it > from. > Personally it cost me $3.85 to anywhere in the lower 48, what are > your experiences and are you shipping from US post office or from a > secondary party such as in a grocery store mail center or the like?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28913	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: S-Helper Service Kudos

My wife got me SHS NYC F3 A & B units for Christmas, but when I put them on the Christmas layout, the B unit just sat there. I put it aside to study the manual later, but still couldn't get anywhere. Finally, on New Year's day I gave up and sent an email to Don Thompson @ SHS. Since I didn't expect a response until Monday at the earliest, I was extremely surprised to get a reply just a short while later. We exchanged emails, even between his New Year dinner and dessert (sounded good, too). After Don led me through some electrical tests without any improvement, he told me to send the whole thing back AND that he would reimburse the shipping cost, even though it was purchased through Doug Peck. Now that's what I call going beyond the call for a customer. Thanks, Don. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28914	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme store photo

Wonderfull. Great. Photo's like this is very helpful and inspirational. I show them to my lady and she gets real excited and wants to dedicate the whole house to my hobby. Keep em coming. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Krispy Kreme store photo Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:06:17 -0500 With the assistance of Paul Yorke, here is the photo from my AF layout. The building is from the Snow Village collection. It has separate lights for the windows and interior and the "KK" sign rotates via a small motor. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun87 Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28915	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Test of the great bounce machine at Yahoo

Hi Folks, You can safely ignore this note other than to have a Happy New Year. Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28916	From: philpotridge	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Scale track

Hello group..I'm a new member and it seems like most members are into Hi rail, but I'm planning a small switching layout using code 100 rail. Wondering if anyone has used Shinoraha track and if you could point me to a dealer carrying it.. Thanks for any info Dick Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28917	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Yahoo - Try 2

Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28918	From: roy inman	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] PADDING

Now this will burst the bubble of some people, but here goes: I used to photograph a large, annual, local social event. Tom Watson, the golfer, had a daughter who was featured in the event. After he requested to see mailed proofs, I diligently sent them along, including the price schedule, which showed the sliding scale for shipping and handling. I received back the nastiest reply ever from anyone since I have been in business, lo these 40 years. He did not complain about the price of the photos, but bitterly opposed the shipping and handling fees. I cannot relate to you all in these circumstances what he said, because it was just too mean. My reply to him was to explain that there were very real costs involved, such as envelopes, cardboard stiffeners, archival plastic sleeves, and then somebody has to put it all together (I even asked if he could loan his caddy, for free, to assemble the photos), then there is the matter of an oversized package to protect the whole thing, which meant additional postage. Just BTW, my s/h charges at that time ranged from $5.00-$15.00. And I'll bet some of you thought he really was the Tom Sawyer-type Boy Scout, huh. Bottom line was, he did not order any photos because he objected to the s/h fee. Need I add that Watson is a multi-millionaire several times over? Respectfully, and cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: anormal1@... > Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] PADDING > > Hi Steve & all, >                            I think most buyers get confused with shipping > cost &  postage. They tend to think tat shipping cost does not include boxes > tape > & minor labor cost. it also includes Postage. They tend to think shipping is > the same as postage. The listing clearly says shipping (postage, materials, > etc.). E-BAY also includes S&H in their listing costs. I'm still arguing with > this guy how has now sent me back $2.00 stating it wasn't the money.  Mike > > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28919	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Image Expert 2000 images from Album "January 4, 2004"

Here is a short digital clip of my AF 343 0-8-0 with 5 AM NYC heavyweights. I tried to send a clip of my AF 470-471-473 Sante Fe A-B-A pulling a 30 car consist, but yahoo said it was too large to send to a group. Just playing with my camera. Hope you enjoy. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28920	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Image Expert 2000 images from Album "January 4, 2004"

Sorry folks - yahoo didn't like my film. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Image Expert 2000 images from Album "January 4, 2004" > Here is a short digital clip of my AF 343 0-8-0 with 5 AM NYC heavyweights. I tried to send a clip of my AF 470-471-473 Sante Fe A-B-A pulling a 30 car consist, but yahoo said it was too large to send to a group. Just playing with my camera. Hope you enjoy. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28921	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Hot-running locos

- GreetingS - Happy New Year to one and all. One participant here recently asked about a hot-running 336. My recent experience was with a hot-running 312. Indeed the firebox was hot. This is supposed to happen only on live-steam models. The armature wanted to turn freely, but the hind drive axle was stiff. A few vigorous taps with a hammer using a 20 penny nail borrowed from Tom Robinson on the axle spread the gauge and gave the assembly about 10 thou clearance. It ran fine, drawing about 1.5 A. A second 312 ground to a halt with peculiar binding in the rods. Turned out that one crosshead guide had dropped down, allowing bad things to happen to the motion. Solution, as mentioned here by others whom I thank, was to relieve the bind, then put the guide back to right. Hope this helps those with these problems. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28922	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Car mold

- Greetings - Shame on me. I let some beautiful, red plastic 650 coaches sit too long in a box and develop the white mold curse on the bodies, notably the tops. It came off when wiped with a wet cloth. But the mold etched the plastic. Has anyone found a product, maybe Magwuire's auto polish, which may reduce the spots left on the surface? This inquiring mind would like to know. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28923	From: philpotridge	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: s scale track

Paul and Roy, Thanks for the information Re: S scale track and the Yahoo group. Just sent in my request to join the scale group and think I've got the catalog berried somwhere in the book box..Really enjoying the fellowship of fellow model railroaders after many years out of the hobby. Thanks again, Dick Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28924	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Photo of my train room.

Hi all of you. I put a poor photo or my train room up for you all to see . let me say you are only seeing half the room , and some years back the room was hit by the top of one of my cedar trees (twenty feet of it broke off). Half of the layout had to be removedto be repaird, and to repair the room also the wall that had the same amount of trains on it as what you see in the photo was a mess too. I have not finished putting the layout back the way it was, but all the broken thing have been replaced. I just need the time to do it. I just can't get in to the mess of wires ,and such. Thats why there is such a mess. By Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28925	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Film at 11!

Paul suggested I try uploading the clips to the photo gallery, which I have done. However, I find that I can only watch 1 of the 2 films unless I close the site down and then reload it (?)! Anyway, one is my AF Sante Fe A-B-A pulling 30 cars. The other is an AF 343 0-8-0 with 5 AM NYC heavyweights. Hope they work for you. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun89 Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28926	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2130

Being retired I spend all of my free time working with my trains, 30 to 40 hr per week. A dream I had all of my working career, and, the raising 4 children. The layout is in a full basement, cool in the summer. warm in the winter. Whistles: The 314 with it's small whistle unit doesn't work well in the thin air of Colorado. ( the hot air driven beacon will not work for the same reason). The vacuum tube controller is higher maintenance, requires a 117 volt power source, the # 177P7 tube is getting scares. I have taken the electronic whistle and horn tubes apart they seam to be similar, and they are similar to the vibrator tube use to power old car radios, changing the pure DC of the battery to a pulsating DC, allowing the DC current to work with transformers. The old car radio buffs will start to put a demand on the whistle tubes when they realize this. The # 710 controller I believe gives the best sound with its variable tone. Diesel Motor: I rewound a field coil with 35' of #28 wire. The original has 29' of #28 wire. The higher resistance reduced the voltage to the armature, eliminating the sparking at the brushes. with the reduced voltage, top rpm may be reduced. This may also reduce the operating tempter of the motor. Any comments?? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28927	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: A good book to get on Gilbert A/F

Hi If you don't know this let me say this book can clear up a lot of things in the way of the rise, and fall of American Flyer trains. Also you can see things that never made it to the Flyer lines of trains too. Here it is "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage Edited by Donald J. Heimburger" Heimburger house ISBN:0-911581-01-4 Now I do not know if it is in print still, but it a great book to have. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28928	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Mike's VWs

Hey gang, Mike had me go out and measure my VW buses. I measured my '64 Splitty double cab and my '78 Westy camper. The measurements were right on the money. I ordered one of each of his VWs. Thanks, Mike, for finding them. I'm getting a baggage smasher for Christmas. It still hasn't shown up. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28929	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Film at 11!

Got them both. Great! I just saved them to local disk from the album. If you have a less compressed version let me know and I will send you an e-mail to mail them to me. -----Original Message----- From: rkuepper [mailto:rkuepper@...] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:23 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Film at 11! Paul suggested I try uploading the clips to the photo gallery, which I have done. However, I find that I can only watch 1 of the 2 films unless I close the site down and then reload it (?)! Anyway, one is my AF Sante Fe A-B-A pulling 30 cars. The other is an AF 343 0-8-0 with 5 AM NYC heavyweights. Hope they work for you. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun89 Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28930	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Car mold

Try "Guardsman" furniture polish in the concentrate bottle, not the spray on.  Can be found a many independent hardware stores.  Has no petro products in it, great for all unpainted plastic after they have been cleaned.  Takes a few days to harden.  Also great on AF crome items, try it, you will see a great difference.  Have used it to bring crome back to original luster with no problems. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28931	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Photo of my train room.

**((((Hi all of you. I put a poor photo or my train room up for you all to see .)))*** Where is your photo at Scott??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28932	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: PADDING

This is NOT meant to flame Roy. So, please, no one take it that way. Many of us have pet peeves about the way business is done. Some of mine are: Having to pay for and maintain smog emissions devices on a car. (I live 10 miles from a a small town.) Having to pay $1.29 for a glass of tea with a meal. Having to pay for catalogs. (Must I pay for the opportunity of someone to sell something to me?) Having to leave a tip. (Why doesn't the business owner pay the help a living wage and supervise them?) Having to pay a cover charge at a club? Having to pay Sales Tax. Having to pay closing costs on a real estate transaction. The list could go on. What I really would like is a walk away price, all things included. As an example, this is the way you buy gasoline. Recently I bought a new all-in-one printer. I check several dealers on the internet and found the lowest walk away/delivered price, no s&h or sales taxes. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28933	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Engine problem

Need more help from group. I have an engine that when you turn on the power always starts in neutral and then goes into reverse. To get it going forward I must cycle through neutral again. None of my other engines work this way. Any ideas? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28934	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Filming trains

This is somewhat off topic, but I'll ask since we're getting more into sharing pix and movies. When taking mpeg movies with a still digital camera, is there any way to get a larger image? Or do I need to stop being so cheap and buy a digicam? Thanks. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28935	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Antique Electronic Supply Try this link for the 177 vacuum tube, I believe I found it there before. It was $6.00.  Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28936	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Did some one need ......

Hi I think some one asked for a wire diagram. Who ,and what was it for? Tom Barkers book on "S" operating & repair has two hand drawn wire diagram missing from it in the frount of the book. It can be found in the Gilbert prints in the back, but I liked how Tom drew them out so you could see the flow of the power. What I am talking about is the # 360 Alco, and the five wire Loco's that make it so the train they can sit on the track and just smoke. The newer ones that is. I put nots all over my book, and I think that's how he planed it. What a great man! Do any of you know if he is still around? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28937	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Did some one need ......Tom Barker

Tom is still around. http://www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/ --- uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: > Hi I think some one asked for a wire diagram. Who > ,and what was it for? > Tom Barkers book on "S" operating & repair has two > hand drawn wire > diagram missing from it in the frount of the book. > It can be found in the Gilbert > prints in the back, but I liked how Tom drew them > out so you could see the > flow of the power. What I am talking about is the # > 360 Alco, and the five wire > Loco's that make it so the train they can sit on the > track and just smoke. The > newer ones that is. > I put nots all over my book, and I think that's how > he planed it. What a great > man! Do any of you know if he is still around? > Scott > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28938	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Need some help.....

Hi Jim when you get ready to stop running them for the day just put them in the neutral spot so they are ready to start out going forward. You may only need to do this once. It could be in the timeing of what you are doing. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28939	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Car mold

Rhett, You might try Meguire's "Final Finish" #7 swirl remover, I haven't bought any in quite some time, but the old product worked wonders on car finishes, and had no silicones in it (one could paint right over it!). S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28940	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem

Jim, Is this an electronic unit, or a good ol' ACG mechanical unit? If Electronic, there usually is an option of what the start position will be, usually dip switches set it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28941	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: The New Joe and Moe

I had noticed on my new Joe and Moe car the guys arnt facing like the original. I discovered after carefull inspection that they are just pushed on there. All you have to do is gently give them a turn and they will look like the original. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28942	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: The New Joe and Moe

Speaking of Moe & Joe......how do the faces look?? I've brought this up before,....but I have bought repro M & J's from two different sources, and their faces look like they took a shotgun blast... not NEAR the quality of the Gilbert originals!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28943	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Classified Ads

I just posted some items on Paul's classified ad site - 2 Walthers buildings, an S turntable, and Ertl farm & construction vehicles. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php Enjoy what's left of the holiday weekend. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28944	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem

David, It's a good ol' ACG mechanical unit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <jhannawald@...> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine problem > Jim, > Is this an electronic unit, or a good ol' ACG mechanical unit? > If Electronic, there usually is an option of what the start position > will be, usually dip switches set it. > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28945	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Engine problem

Jim: On closer examination, you may find that the plastic teeth of the reverse unit drum have been damaged, so that the pawl that hooks them, skips. Or, there may be some other damage to the drum or pawl. This can be hard to spot. The axle of the drum may be damaged. This is also hard to spot. Gilbert made two different types of reverse unit drums. They originally had a transverse metal shaft as an axle, but at some point, the design was changed so that two plastic axle nubs on the ends of the drum served as an axle instead. This later design, although not as free rolling as the metal, still works well but is of course much more easily damaged by grit, heat. and solvents. Check your fingers too. They may actually be moving around when the unit cycles. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28946	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28947	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: S gauge Trolley?

Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current manufacturer, as I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the answer. Thanks, Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28948	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?

Try these links: http://www.putttrains.com/ and http://www.paheritagemodels.com/corgi.htm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge Trolley? > Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current manufacturer, as > I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the > answer. > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28949	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?

Yes check out Putt Trains, Terry still makes trolleys ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge Trolley? > Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current manufacturer, as > I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the > answer. > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28950	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?

***((((Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current manufacturer, as I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the answer.)))**** Check out this link.... http://www.putttrains.com/ Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28951	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Christmas layout turns into the Winter layout....

Can't remember if I posted this already,...but I have taken down the Christmas tree village and layout,...and set up a "Winter" layout on my VERY small seasonal layout in the den. First time I have done this on the little seasonal layout. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28952	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Scale track

Dick, Scenery Unlimited carries Shinohara S Scale track. You can contact them by phone 708-366-7763. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "philpotridge" <philpotridge@n...> wrote: > Hello group..I'm a new member and it seems like most members are > into Hi rail, but I'm planning a small switching layout using code > 100 rail. Wondering if anyone has used Shinoraha track and if you > could point me to a dealer carrying it.. > > Thanks for any info > Dick Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28953	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout turns into the Winter layout....

Nice Rick. Seems to be a very happy village there. They realy have something special going there. Even the bears. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout turns into the Winter layout.... Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:58:54 -0800 Can't remember if I posted this already,...but I have taken down the Christmas tree village and layout,...and set up a "Winter" layout on my VERY small seasonal layout in the den. First time I have done this on the little seasonal layout. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28954	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Moe & Joe Lumber Car

On my new lumber car, Joe and Moe look oriental, maybe we should call them Joe Wong and Moe Fong.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28955	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Hot running locos

I too wondered about that 336 that jammed, as described here. The fact that the armature jams leads me to think that there may be excessive axle hole wear on the geared axle or the armature bearings, in addition to whatever motor problems might exist. The excess play permitted may have introduced a lot of strain into the mechanism, eventually damaging the motor. If the armature jams, it's either that, a damaged armature, a loose smoke gear, or a twisted armature shaft, which is easy to fix with v-blocks. A broken (loose) commutator is the most commonly seen form of armature damage. The large motor is too powerful for the locomotive and all kinds of insults to the drive train may be found on a 336. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber Car

Do they throw the boards off in a Chinese way......won end low ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Moe & Joe Lumber Car > On my new lumber car, Joe and Moe look oriental, maybe we should > call them Joe Wong and Moe Fong. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28957	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: New Mo & Joe

It's made in China, perhaps two factory workers were the models for the men. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28958	From: William Lange	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: time, time, time

One of the best things about this hobby is you can be flexible with the time invested. Other than setting up a holiday layout in the family living room, a feww days before Christmas, there is very little that you can't put to side for a few days when work takes you away from home. When I have an engagement that has me in my own home at a reasonable hour, I like to spend an hour either fixing or running. Weekends depend on family activities, but I sure love it when I can spend 3-4 hours in one shot rebuilding an old loco. I spend just as much or more time Surfing web sites and keeping up with this list. I try to read the s-scale posts and the Digitrax list as well, but I currently have over 100 unread digests from both. Throw in the odd hour of e-bay surfing and the time surely does add up! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: "S" figures question...

A while back, someone mentioned that "S" (1/64th) figures, are very close to toy soldiers that are in mm's. Can someone refresh my memory?? Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28960	From: TCS	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO and O scale

814 CNW system heralds for depots, different sizes http://mopac1.tripod.com/814.gif 815 CNW owned heralds for depots, different sizes http://mopac1.tripod.com/815.gif 816 CNW railway heralds for depots, different sizes http://mopac1.tripod.com/816.gif 817 RI heralds, different sizes http://mopac1.tripod.com/817.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28961	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...

25mm figures used for military models are very close. Buildings and people are useable. I"=5'8" in S scale=25.4mm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "S" figures question... > A while back, someone mentioned that "S" (1/64th) figures, are very close to toy soldiers that are in mm's. > Can someone refresh my memory?? > > Thanks! Rick. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28962	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...

25 mm!!! That's it!! Thanks Chuck!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28963	From: Hannon	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Hot Running Loco - 336 and others

This is not a plug for my book or for my rewinding service, BUT ... I've been reading the last few posts on this subject, and trying to find the original post. But I couldn't. So, I don't know if the original post mentioned anything about misaligned siderods, lack of lubrication, mis-spaced drivers, dirty brushes and weak springs, dirty pickup wheels/contacts or a faulty reverse unit. What I do know is that for the last few months I have been inundated with units which had the following characteristics: Their armatures and fields were originally wound with that PURPLE or ROYAL BLUE wire. Today, it almost looks black due to overheating. In unloaded, bench test mode, the field got scorching hot. I disassembled the motor and measured the armature and field. All measured @50% less than the published values indicating a short between the layers. Once I unwound them and spread the wire out lengthwise so it did not contact itself, it measured up to spec. So, while the copper itself was not damaged, the insulation on the wire had been obliterated. These motors are not supposed to "run hot". Yes, the field may feel warm to the touch, but not uncomfortably so. More like ... luke-warm. But let anything interfere with the armature's ability to turn in phase with the applied voltage (jammed side rod, drive wheels too tight against the chassis or wobbly, bad axle or armature bushings, bad brush/brush springs, or gummed up brush tubes), and some bad things start happening. The current through the motor, and the heat generated, rapidly rise. Then, that Low Temperature PURPLE insulation on the wire begins melting off. As more and more windings get shorted together, the coil's natural resistance drops, the current increases even futher, and the heat follows close behind. When the engine begins losing power, the natural reaction is to crank the transformer up. This only accelerates the burnoff of the insulation and you end up with a permanent "hot runner". Anyway, keep an eye on those Purple Wire motors (be they Super Motors, the pullmor, the open pole XA9569, or even the billboard motors which were wound with this type of wire). All other factors being equal, if you find you're giving it more and more voltage and getting less and less performance, it may be time to replace the armature/field, or rewind them. At least check them against the book to see if they're anywhere near their original specs before you're faced with a damaged reverse drum/fingers or wiring. Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28964	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem

Jim, Well, then, I'd suggest cycling the reverse unit into reverse, then neutral when you shut down the layout, or if you don't run in reverse, locking out the reverse unit so it's always in forward. I like to set up my tranformers with a push button to provide full voltage for reverse unit cycling. Fater, and less wear & tear on the throttle. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28965	From: steve	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley?

OMG, what a link! My son is a complete Thomas fanatic. Looks like I'll be spending another 70+ bucks I wasn't counting on. steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > ***((((Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current manufacturer, as > I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the > answer.)))**** > > Check out this link.... http://www.putttrains.com/ > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28966	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/4/2004
Subject: link couplers

Hi, I have several link couplers that like to stay in an up position and are easily uncoupled. Has anyone found a lubricant that will help the couplers to fall back down? Thanks alot, Alex(innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28967	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: "S" figures question...

Rick, Toy soldiers come in 25mm and 30mm. S would be somehere between the two. You'd have to look at the soldiers and see what would work best for you. Ron Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: A while back, someone mentioned that "S" (1/64th) figures, are very close to toy soldiers that are in mm's. Can someone refresh my memory?? Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Ron "Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28968	From: clarkw23	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: American Models Track

Hello S Group, Is anyone out there selling any American Models Flex track? Will be needing 100'to 200' + many turnouts. Also, I'm selling 150'(60" straight), 1 box 10' Diameter, and 1 box of 8'diameter new Stainless Aristocraft track, 10 stainless wide radius turnouts. Possible trade for American Models or S Helper flex track & turnouts. Please email me if interested tkayser@... Thanks & Happy New Years, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28969	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Engine problem now transformer button

-----Original Message----- This thought has crossed my mind as being easier on the transformer and would perhaps cycle the somewhat contrary reverse unit a little more positively. The question I have is if you hit it with full voltage does this cause the engines to "jump" or is the button contact momentary enough to make this unnoticeable? May have to go to radio shack and get a button... >>>From: David Dewey I like to set up my tranformers with a push button to provide full voltage for reverse unit cycling. Fater, and less wear & tear on the throttle. S' David D.<<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28970	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Mold on the train parts.

Hi all of you, the mold that comes out in your train parts can be removed with a hot hair dryer. It will melt like wax. I am off to work have fun. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28971	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem

David; Can you expand on your button idea you use for the reverse instead of wearing out the transformer. I can't picture in my head on what your doing. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <jhannawald@...>,"S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine problem Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:26:36 -0800 Jim, Well, then, I'd suggest cycling the reverse unit into reverse, then neutral when you shut down the layout, or if you don't run in reverse, locking out the reverse unit so it's always in forward. I like to set up my tranformers with a push button to provide full voltage for reverse unit cycling. Fater, and less wear & tear on the throttle. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28972	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Mold on the train parts.

Dear Scott, Good day! CRC2-26 works wonders as well, "Train repair in a Can" We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins 4 Gate Post Court Potomac, MD 20854-1735 BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: uvl97222 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mold on the train parts. Hi all of you, the mold that comes out in your train parts can be removed with a hot hair dryer. It will melt like wax. I am off to work have fun. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28973	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: The New Joe and Moe

Rick; I got out my Joe and Moe this mourn and carefully examined it under my magnyfying light. There faces were perfect to me. also they looked American to me. Not even close to a asian look. I dont have an originall to compare to but I have a coler photo from my TM book and they look the same to me at least to my eyes. It operates very well. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] The New Joe and Moe Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:45:49 -0800 Speaking of Moe & Joe......how do the faces look?? I've brought this up before,....but I have bought repro M & J's from two different sources, and their faces look like they took a shotgun blast... not NEAR the quality of the Gilbert originals!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy � and get some great new recipes � at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28974	From: Tim	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: The New Joe and Moe

So your MoJo is working, then? :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wight To: bassflyer@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The New Joe and Moe Rick; I got out my Joe and Moe this mourn and carefully examined it under my magnyfying light. There faces were perfect to me. also they looked American to me. Not even close to a asian look. I dont have an originall to compare to but I have a coler photo from my TM book and they look the same to me at least to my eyes. It operates very well. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] The New Joe and Moe Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:45:49 -0800 Speaking of Moe & Joe......how do the faces look?? I've brought this up before,....but I have bought repro M & J's from two different sources, and their faces look like they took a shotgun blast... not NEAR the quality of the Gilbert originals!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy - and get some great new recipes - at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28975	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Mold on the train parts.

Hi all: As many have said before (and I repeat here, sorry for those who are familiar with the terminology and cause of the apparent "growth of white stuff"), the white material that comes out of ACG plastic cars is probably a chemical plasticizer that was used in the plastic when the cars were made. It has a low melting point and thus the hair dryer melts it and it can be taken off with a clean cloth. (take care that you don't "scratch" the cars with a rough cloth). It was probably used to make the cars come out of the mold better or give the plastic different properties. It is not the kind of "growing" mold associated with moldy bread, etc., (sometimes spelled mould). Rance Velapoldi (Norway) uvl97222 wrote: > Hi all of you, the mold that comes out in your train parts can be removed with >a hot hair dryer. It will melt like wax. > I am off to work have fun. > Scott > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28976	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Royal Blue paint

I know this was discussed at one time, but does anyone remember what paint best matches the A.F. Royal Blue paint (#350)? Those that have repainted this engine, did you put a primer under the blue? If so, what color worked best? Thanks! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28977	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Trains in Dallas, TX

Hi all, I'll be in Dallas, TX in March for 4 days and am going to have about a day and a half of free time. I'm wondering what "S" or train related places I should visit. Any suggestions? Thank you. "S"incerely, Mark Koenig Roseville, MN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28978	From: knockbill	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: engine.....

Hi It seems, if your engine is shut off after runnung forward or reverse, it should start in neutral, as that is its next sequential step.....I count it, as I like to heat up the smoke units before I run the trains...... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28979	From: knockbill	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine reverse buitton, Royal Blue paint

Hi If you just need a momentary contact switch to send full voltage to a reverse unit, why not just use a spare unmarked AF button, or extra uncoupler butter? You probably have some in stock..... I've used True Value Hardware XO Enamal Royal Blue paint on a RB engine that was very chipped up, I didn't paint the tender, & its a very close match... I didn't use primer... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28980	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Layout Wireing question

I use an 18B transformer. I have it wired to run two loops on separate controls. I have one flyer automatic switch on the inside loop that connects with another switch for two sidings. The switches are all set for two train operation. When I use the trans control wired for the inner loop, the accessories and bumpers on these two sidings operate no matter what way the frog is thrown. I have used other switches with the same result. Ideas? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28981	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: link couplers

I have had some success with a mixture of liquid detergent such as you wash dishes with in the sink. Work them vigorously while they're wet. Dry them thoroughly of course. Do NOT lubricate. Once they're free I use another trick. I trim the part of the hook that hangs onto the coupler pin so it has about a 5 degree rake. Another trick is to be sure the pivot point of the link is just high enough that the coupler has a nearly imperceptible downward slope away from the car when coupled. You adjust this by bending the metal tab on the truck. I have a set of heavyweight passenger cars that I converted back to links to get close spacing between the cars. I applied this treatment to and they now stay coupled as well as knuckles. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] link couplers > Hi, > I have several link couplers that like to stay in an up position and are > easily uncoupled. Has anyone found a lubricant that will help the > couplers to fall back down? > Thanks alot, > Alex(innotron) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28982	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley

I couldn't find it on PA Heritage's website, but they are producing a cast resin two-truck trolley in S. I have seen the sample at York and it was mentioned in the S magazines. Gregg > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:42:15 -0500 > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> >Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley? > >Try these links: http://www.putttrains.com/ and >http://www.paheritagemodels.com/corgi.htm > >Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines >"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and >remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, >etc.) >See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:26 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge Trolley? > > > > Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current >manufacturer, >as > > I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the > > answer. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Marmer > > _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28983	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: locomotive likes to run one way only

The recent discussion about which direction we run our trains brings up an issue I've been having with my 290. It runs fine in the counter-clockwise direction. But if I run it the other way it commonly stalls as soon as the drive wheels hit the curve. One curve in particular is troublesome while the others are hit or miss affairs. My 307 has absolutely no trouble running in either direction. Any ideas? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28984	From: Ronald	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Box Question

Greetings Group! A friend of mine gave me some old three rail track that he found in his basement. When he brought me the track it was in a AC Gilbert box. The box is about 6" square and a foot long. It has a Gilbert shipping label on it and is postmatked 1954. The only marking on the box is the number B246 stamped on one end. Anyone have an idea what this box may have contained back in '54?? Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28985	From: Tim	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only

It could be a loose wheel rim, or it might be a tender truck that turns one way well, but is obstructed slightly from turning the other way. Maybe a pick-up wire is too tight. Maybe the truck is a little warped. I had the same problem this mooring on a 360 Sante Fe that would stall on a tight bend. All I did was give the wire that went to the brush a little more slack so it wouldn't pull the brush away from the armature when going around a clockwise tight bend. Hope these ideas help a little, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: beechcricker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] locomotive likes to run one way only The recent discussion about which direction we run our trains brings up an issue I've been having with my 290. It runs fine in the counter-clockwise direction. But if I run it the other way it commonly stalls as soon as the drive wheels hit the curve. One curve in particular is troublesome while the others are hit or miss affairs. My 307 has absolutely no trouble running in either direction. Any ideas? Jeff Feldmeier S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28986	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28987	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: I"M ALMOST GONE/ RAT-HOLE DELETE NOT TRAIN RELATED

I'M Moving today. I'm almost out of this RAT-HOLE...MIke ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28988	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: BYE FOR AWHILE

OK TIME to pack this beast. See ya in a few days, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28989	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: 343 wiring

All: I finally added a tender (put together for me from bits and pieces) to my long tender-less 343. When I hooked it up, I found it ran in reverse but not forward. I investigated further and found that the jack panel wiring on the locomotive did not match what I assumed was the standard sequence coil-brush-coil-brush; instead it was something like brush-coil-coil-brush. When I rewired, it worked find. Is this something original or could the wiring have been changed by a previous owner? I vaguely recall coming across something like this before. Thanks and Happy New Year to all. - Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF

Call for help. Anyone have any ideas? Best regards, Don My father in law has and old set of American Flyer trains. We want to help him set up an overhead rail system in his home. Where could we purchase the suspension system, or get directions on making a suspended railway? We would appreciate any help you could provide, as most of the sites I have found so far are for G scale trains. Thanks for your time Mary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28991	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: link couplers

There is a way to permanently fix the "non-dropping" link couplers but you have to be very careful in its application. Take a clean soldering gun and carefully heat the head of the coupler pin. The pin will get hot and soften the coupler plastic. You want just enough heat to soften the plastic slightly. When it is soft, gently pull and tug on the coupler in a way that will allow you to slightly enlarge the hole of the coupler around the pin. Pay attention to the amount of heat your applying otherwise you'll ruin the coupler. No "gorilla tactics" here!!! Finesse is the key!! You might want to practice on some "junkers" first. Once you've enlarged the hole and it cools, you won't have the problem with the couplers. I've used this fix many times and it does work. Never have had a repeater. Daryl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > Hi, > I have several link couplers that like to stay in an up position and are > easily uncoupled. Has anyone found a lubricant that will help the > couplers to fall back down? > Thanks alot, > Alex(innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28992	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Trolleys

Thanks for all the responses to my question about a trolley being made in S scale. I have forwarded the two websites to my friend in Jacksonville, FL. and they would look great on any layout, including mine someday! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28993	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge Trolley

I just remembered that American Hi Rail had a sample of a PCC trolley in S at York that he was considering producing in cast resin. Hopefully he got enough positive response at York to proceed with it. Gregg > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:26 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge Trolley? > > > > > > > Does anyone know if a S gauge Trolley exists by any current > >manufacturer, > >as > > > I was asked that by a person who is into O gauge and I don't know the > > > answer. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mike Marmer _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28994	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: I hope I did the right thing.

Hi all of you in the "S" Group. Let me say all I was doing is answering some one question on the white power on the links, and how to get it cleaned off. I was in a rush going out the door this morning, and did not take the time to go in to a long explanation on what it was. Other then calling it what most people call it "mold". Well that's what I here all the time. I hope I did not come off wrong or out of turn. Now if some of you would like to here about what's going on to the pot metal that all are trains are made of, and I think you all should of seen by now how some of the older metal pieces are starting to crack, and crumble in your hands. I would be happy to tell you what I have found out about it. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28995	From: David	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.

Read'em and weep. Dear xxxxxxxxx, We are writing to inform you that today eBay is announcing that eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making changes to the fee structure effective February 2, 2004. Items that are scheduled to begin on eBay.com or eBay Motors after midnight on February 1, 2004 will be charged based on the new fees. Some fees will be increasing, others will be decreasing, and the tiers for some fee structures will be changing. In addition to the specific fee changes described below, eBay will be making the following enhancements in response to seller feedback on these important issues: Non-Paying Bidder Re-list Credit - Currently, an item listed on eBay.com or eBay Motors that is won, but not paid for by the buyer, is not eligible for an insertion fee credit when the seller re-lists the item and it sells. As of February 2, 2004, qualifying NPB items will be eligible for the standard re-list credit. (Get more details.) Second Chance Offer if Reserve Not Met - Currently, a reserve price item that ends without the reserve price being met is not eligible for a Second Chance Offer. Beginning in mid-March, sellers will be able to make a Second Chance Offer to under-bidders on items that do not meet the reserve. In addition, the reserve fee will be refunded if the Second Chance Offer is accepted. (For updates on the launch of this enhancement, please check the Announcement board. Read Second Chance Offer in Help to learn more about the current feature.) Effective February 2, 2004, the following fee changes will be made to eBay.com and eBay Motors in the U.S.: Insertion Fees: eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Item Starting Price $0.01 - $9.99 $10.00 - $24.99 $25.00 - $49.99 $50.00 - $199.99 $200.00 and up Item Starting Price $0.01 - $0.99 $1.00 - $9.99 $10.00 - $24.99 $25.00 - $49.99 $50.00 - $199.99 $200.00 - $499.99 $500 and up Current Fee $0.30 $0.55 $1.10 $2.20 $3.30 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $0.30 $0.35 $0.60 $1.20 $2.40 $3.60 $4.80 Reserve Price Fees: eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Reserve Price $0.01 - $24.99 $25.00 - $99.99 $100 and up Reserve Price $0.01 - $49.99 $50.00 - $199.99 $200 and up Current Fee $0.50 $1.00 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) Fee as of February 2, 2004 $1.00 $2.00 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) Store Inventory Insertion Fees: Duration 30 days 60 days 90 days 120 days *GTC (*Good 'Til Cancelled) Current Fee $0.05 $0.05 plus .05 surcharge $0.05 plus .10 surcharge $0.05 plus .15 surcharge $0.05 plus $.05 per 30 days Fee as of February 2, 2004 $0.02 $0.02 plus .02 surcharge $0.02 plus .04 surcharge $0.02 plus .06 surcharge $0.02 plus .02 per 30 days Home Page Featured Fee: eBay.com Current Fee $99.95 for single item $199.95 for multiple items Fee Effective January 31, 2004 $39.95 for single item $79.95 for multiple items (*This is special promotional pricing that will become the standard pricing for this feature as of the completion of the current promotion January 31, 2004.) 10-Day Listing Fee: eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Current Fee $0.10 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $0.20 Seller's Assistant Pro Subscription Fee: Current Fee $15.99 / Month Fee as of February 2, 2004 $24.99 / Month Listing Designer Fee within Turbo Lister: Current Fee Free *Fee as of April 12, 2004 $0.10 (*Please see more details) The following changes apply only to eBay Motors: Insertion Fees: eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee $25.00 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $30.00 10-Day Listing Fee: eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and Motorcycles) Current Fee Free Fee as of February 2, 2004 $5.00 Listing Scheduler Fee: eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and Motorcycles) Current Fee Free Fee as of February 2, 2004 $1.00 Buy It Now Fee: eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee $0.50 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $1.00 Transaction Services Fees: eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee $25.00 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $30.00 Category Featured Fee: eBay Motors Vehicles and Parts & Accessories Current Fee $14.95 Fee as of February 2, 2004 $19.95 Some international eBay sites have also changed their fee structures. To learn more, please check Announcements for the eBay site of interest. eBay understands that fees directly impact our members, and we take care to ensure that any decisions to change fees are made only after careful consideration of this impact. These changes will help us continue to sustain and develop a thriving global marketplace, while balancing the needs of our buyers and sellers around the world. To learn more about these changes and enhancements, please read the Frequently Asked Questions. Regards, eBay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28996	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.

I think eBay's competitors should look upon this as an "opportunity". Undercutting the competition is an American tradition. One of the competitor's ought to be tuning up an ad campaign. Remember, eBay was once a "unknown". History can repeat.......... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > Read'em and weep. > > Dear xxxxxxxxx, > > We are writing to inform you that today eBay is announcing that > eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making changes to the fee structure > effective February 2, 2004. Items that are scheduled to begin on > eBay.com or eBay Motors after midnight on February 1, 2004 will be > charged based on the new fees. > > Some fees will be increasing, others will be decreasing, and the > tiers for some fee structures will be changing. In addition to the > specific fee changes described below, eBay will be making the > following enhancements in response to seller feedback on these > important issues: > > Non-Paying Bidder Re-list Credit - Currently, an item listed on > eBay.com or eBay Motors that is won, but not paid for by the buyer, > is not eligible for an insertion fee credit when the seller re- lists > the item and it sells. As of February 2, 2004, qualifying NPB items > will be eligible for the standard re-list credit. (Get more details.) > > Second Chance Offer if Reserve Not Met - Currently, a reserve price > item that ends without the reserve price being met is not eligible > for a Second Chance Offer. Beginning in mid-March, sellers will be > able to make a Second Chance Offer to under-bidders on items that do > not meet the reserve. In addition, the reserve fee will be refunded > if the Second Chance Offer is accepted. (For updates on the launch of > this enhancement, please check the Announcement board. Read Second > Chance Offer in Help to learn more about the current feature.) > > Effective February 2, 2004, the following fee changes will be made to > eBay.com and eBay Motors in the U.S.: > > Insertion Fees: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Item Starting Price > $0.01 - $9.99 > $10.00 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200.00 and up > > Item Starting Price > $0.01 - $0.99 > $1.00 - $9.99 > $10.00 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200.00 - $499.99 > $500 and up Current Fee > $0.30 > $0.55 > $1.10 > $2.20 > $3.30 > > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $0.30 > $0.35 > $0.60 > $1.20 > $2.40 > $3.60 > $4.80 > > > Reserve Price Fees: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Reserve Price > $0.01 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $99.99 > $100 and up > > Reserve Price > $0.01 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200 and up > Current Fee > $0.50 > $1.00 > 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) > > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $1.00 > $2.00 > 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) > > > > Store Inventory Insertion Fees: Duration > 30 days > 60 days > 90 days > 120 days > *GTC > (*Good 'Til Cancelled) Current Fee > $0.05 > $0.05 plus .05 surcharge > $0.05 plus .10 surcharge > $0.05 plus .15 surcharge > $0.05 plus $.05 per 30 days Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $0.02 > $0.02 plus .02 surcharge > $0.02 plus .04 surcharge > $0.02 plus .06 surcharge > $0.02 plus .02 per 30 days > > > > Home Page Featured Fee: > eBay.com Current Fee > $99.95 for single item > $199.95 for multiple items > Fee Effective January 31, 2004 > $39.95 for single item > $79.95 for multiple items > > (*This is special promotional pricing that will become the standard > pricing for this feature as of the completion of the current > promotion January 31, 2004.) > > 10-Day Listing Fee: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Current Fee > $0.10 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $0.20 > > > > Seller's Assistant Pro Subscription Fee: Current Fee > $15.99 / Month > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $24.99 / Month > > > > Listing Designer Fee within Turbo Lister: Current Fee > Free > *Fee as of April 12, 2004 > $0.10 > > (*Please see more details) > > > The following changes apply only to eBay Motors: > > Insertion Fees: > eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee > $25.00 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $30.00 > > > > 10-Day Listing Fee: > eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and Motorcycles) Current Fee > Free > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $5.00 > > > > Listing Scheduler Fee: > eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and Motorcycles) Current Fee > Free > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $1.00 > > > > Buy It Now Fee: > eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee > $0.50 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $1.00 > > > > Transaction Services Fees: > eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee > $25.00 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $30.00 > > > > Category Featured Fee: > eBay Motors Vehicles and Parts & Accessories Current Fee > $14.95 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $19.95 > > > > Some international eBay sites have also changed their fee structures. > To learn more, please check Announcements for the eBay site of > interest. > > eBay understands that fees directly impact our members, and we take > care to ensure that any decisions to change fees are made only after > careful consideration of this impact. These changes will help us > continue to sustain and develop a thriving global marketplace, while > balancing the needs of our buyers and sellers around the world. To > learn more about these changes and enhancements, please read the > Frequently Asked Questions. > > Regards, > > eBay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28997	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: A real dust magnet it is.

Hello Group, I just saw this expression in a board message "A real dust magnet it is"----and this thought fills my head when I look at my trainboard. The real giveaway is when the Flyer switches have that dull look, as they normally could be shiny and black--the classic AF switch appearance, if you want it that way. For those of us lucky to have finished ceilings over our layouts--great. I remember having a board that was under the joists. The dust from that situation is horrendous. I bought my wife a "TurboVac 800" at Home Depot for Christmas and have already swiped it to use on my layout. It is slim and has a shoulder strap and long cord. Too bad this Chinese made vac doesn't come with a crevice tool or a small but usable brush attachment. Luckily I have those spare parts from other vacs that work fine on this vac. It has a chamber to empty (no bag) and has a filter that I think should be wiped clean after every earnest use. It sure beats a 1970s floor vac I have been dragging around for most of the last 4 years. I only mention this item because it is better than what I have been using. Yes, dust has got to be a big problem on the equipment, but I can not cover my stuff either. ......I seem to always swipe one or more of my wife's gifts every year---a bad habit. This time I am going back to HD to buy another vac (yeah it was a cheap gift too --$20). Now wait--I did buy her other gifts as well! John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28998	From: John G	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring

I ran into the same problem a couple of months ago and was somewhat baffled at first. Upon closer inspection of the Flyer wiring diagrams, it is clear that the two different schemes were used. Sounds like yours uses the scheme for the 5 wire loco. See steam engine wiring diagram in link to Portlines site: http://161.58.149.56/portlinesclinic10.htm John Gasal (Here is some insight on my nickname - notcoldenough. It was picked since I love the winter season and we have had too many mild winters with little snow. However, tonight I have to admit it is finally cold enough! It never got above zero today and will get down to -15 by tomorrow morning here in Minneapolis! Wind chills will be in the minus forty to fifty range.) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Plotnick <plotnick@u...> wrote: > All: > I finally added a tender (put together for me from bits and pieces) to my > long tender-less 343. When I hooked it up, I found it ran in reverse but > not forward. I investigated further and found that the jack panel wiring > on the locomotive did not match what I assumed was the standard sequence > coil-brush-coil-brush; instead it was something like > brush-coil-coil-brush. When I rewired, it worked find. Is this something > original or could the wiring have been changed by a previous owner? I > vaguely recall coming across something like this before. Thanks and Happy > New Year to all. - Roy > > Roy E. Plotnick > Professor > Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences > University of Illinois at Chicago > 845 W. Taylor St. > Chicago, IL 60607 > plotnick@u... > office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 > lab phone: 312-355-1342 > web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm > "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and > glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to > oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May > Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28999	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.

--- David wrote: > Read'em and weep. I'm weeping. I'm weeping. Means seller's HANDLING prices might go up, too. :-( The message with the price increases is a bit hard to read since it doesn't post in html, so if you want to see the ebay link with the increases, it's: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml Look for the article titled: ***eBay.com / eBay Motors Fee Changes and Enhancements*** Regards, Dennis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29000	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF

Don, Check out the article on building a overhead electrified suspension system (catenary) in February's issue of CTT starting on page 56. Lou --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > Call for help. Anyone have any ideas? > Best regards, > Don > > My father in law has and old set of American Flyer trains. We want > to help him set up an overhead rail system in his home. Where could we > purchase the suspension system, or get directions on making a suspended > railway? We would appreciate any help you could provide, as most of the > sites I have found so far are for G scale trains. > Thanks for your time > Mary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29001	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: About the metal in your Die cast train.

Hi all of you in the "S" group. Well this is what I found out about the alloy used in making are trains. It is high in Zink, and they call it White alloy or Zamax. It is an alloy with a balanced chemistry of more them just a few elements. The cause of the crumbling is alloy segregation in the grain boundaies from oxygen on the parts that are not painted well. I would just say they are rusting like steel, and it comes from the oxygen that is around us. ( Corrosion ) It will take some time, but it is going on as we speek. You must think of the metal like a Brick wall, and the morter is going bad. I hope this helps. I will keep playing with, and adding to my train room even with this going on with them. What we need now is more repro parts to fix them ,and keep them running. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29002	From: Dan	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF

Check out http://www.julestoytrains.com/details.html On the website it states that the overhead system supports S gauge. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <robin@...> To: "S Scale e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Showcaseline e-group" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Suspended roadbed system for AF > Call for help. Anyone have any ideas? > Best regards, > Don > > My father in law has and old set of American Flyer trains. We want > to help him set up an overhead rail system in his home. Where could we > purchase the suspension system, or get directions on making a suspended > railway? We would appreciate any help you could provide, as most of the > sites I have found so far are for G scale trains. > Thanks for your time > Mary > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29003	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: For Those Who Use It, E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.

Whats your point?I have been a member since 98 ,this is the first time I can remember them going up.Keith --- David <Dave0616@...> wrote: > Read'em and weep. > > Dear xxxxxxxxx, > > We are writing to inform you that today eBay is > announcing that > eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making changes to > the fee structure > effective February 2, 2004. Items that are scheduled > to begin on > eBay.com or eBay Motors after midnight on February > 1, 2004 will be > charged based on the new fees. > > Some fees will be increasing, others will be > decreasing, and the > tiers for some fee structures will be changing. In > addition to the > specific fee changes described below, eBay will be > making the > following enhancements in response to seller > feedback on these > important issues: > > Non-Paying Bidder Re-list Credit - Currently, an > item listed on > eBay.com or eBay Motors that is won, but not paid > for by the buyer, > is not eligible for an insertion fee credit when the > seller re-lists > the item and it sells. As of February 2, 2004, > qualifying NPB items > will be eligible for the standard re-list credit. > (Get more details.) > > Second Chance Offer if Reserve Not Met - Currently, > a reserve price > item that ends without the reserve price being met > is not eligible > for a Second Chance Offer. Beginning in mid-March, > sellers will be > able to make a Second Chance Offer to under-bidders > on items that do > not meet the reserve. In addition, the reserve fee > will be refunded > if the Second Chance Offer is accepted. (For updates > on the launch of > this enhancement, please check the Announcement > board. Read Second > Chance Offer in Help to learn more about the current > feature.) > > Effective February 2, 2004, the following fee > changes will be made to > eBay.com and eBay Motors in the U.S.: > > Insertion Fees: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Item > Starting Price > $0.01 - $9.99 > $10.00 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200.00 and up > > Item Starting Price > $0.01 - $0.99 > $1.00 - $9.99 > $10.00 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200.00 - $499.99 > $500 and up Current Fee > $0.30 > $0.55 > $1.10 > $2.20 > $3.30 > > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $0.30 > $0.35 > $0.60 > $1.20 > $2.40 > $3.60 > $4.80 > > > Reserve Price Fees: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Reserve > Price > $0.01 - $24.99 > $25.00 - $99.99 > $100 and up > > Reserve Price > $0.01 - $49.99 > $50.00 - $199.99 > $200 and up > Current Fee > $0.50 > $1.00 > 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) > > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $1.00 > $2.00 > 1% of reserve price (with a maximum of $100.00) > > > > Store Inventory Insertion Fees: Duration > 30 days > 60 days > 90 days > 120 days > *GTC > (*Good 'Til Cancelled) Current Fee > $0.05 > $0.05 plus .05 surcharge > $0.05 plus .10 surcharge > $0.05 plus .15 surcharge > $0.05 plus $.05 per 30 days Fee as of February 2, > 2004 > $0.02 > $0.02 plus .02 surcharge > $0.02 plus .04 surcharge > $0.02 plus .06 surcharge > $0.02 plus .02 per 30 days > > > > Home Page Featured Fee: > eBay.com Current Fee > $99.95 for single item > $199.95 for multiple items > Fee Effective January 31, 2004 > $39.95 for single item > $79.95 for multiple items > > (*This is special promotional pricing that will > become the standard > pricing for this feature as of the completion of the > current > promotion January 31, 2004.) > > 10-Day Listing Fee: > eBay.com and eBay Motors Parts & Accessories Current > Fee > $0.10 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $0.20 > > > > Seller's Assistant Pro Subscription Fee: Current Fee > > $15.99 / Month > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $24.99 / Month > > > > Listing Designer Fee within Turbo Lister: Current > Fee > Free > *Fee as of April 12, 2004 > $0.10 > > (*Please see more details) > > > The following changes apply only to eBay Motors: > > Insertion Fees: > eBay Motors Motorcycles Current Fee > $25.00 > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $30.00 > > > > 10-Day Listing Fee: > eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and > Motorcycles) Current Fee > Free > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $5.00 > > > > Listing Scheduler Fee: > eBay Motors Vehicles (Passenger, Other, and > Motorcycles) Current Fee > Free > Fee as of February 2, 2004 > $1.00 > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29004	From: Marty	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: reverse contact switch

To pulse the reverse units on my Flyer trains I use a Radio Shack #2751548 P/B NC switch they come 4 to a pack and sell for $2.99, this switch alowes power to remain flowing through it until you interrupt it by pressing it, you hook it up in either side of your wiring, just cut the wire and attach the ends to the switch, you will need a project box # 2700288 size 2.125x 1.375x.5 cost $1.99, or larger to mount the switch in , I turn my transformer to 1/2 power or 60 mph when I use the switch, you can adjust this to your transformer, what you want is the least amount of power to activate the reverse unit, this keeps the engine from surging too much, I will post a pic on S- trains, and E- Mail the list with the link Marty Rajsich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29005	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: E-Bay Fees Go UP..... Again.

***((((Whats your point?I have been a member since 98 ,this is the first time I can remember them going up.Keith)))**** Keith and all.... It seems to me when I first started selling in 2000,....the insertion fee was .25 cents (for the items I listed anyway)......then somewhere along the line it jumped to .30 cents. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29006	From: Marty	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: reversing switch pic

Here is the link for the reversing switch pic that I use on my layout Marty Rajsich http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun76

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29007	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Attaching decals?

Does anyone have suggestions for attaching a loose decal before it gets ripped or torn? I have a decal on a nose of a UP PB unit that I would like to secure before it gets damaged. It is all there right now and I would like to secure it. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29008	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Attaching decals?

I have used real watery elmers glue.Keith --- Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> wrote: > Does anyone have suggestions for attaching a loose > decal before it gets > ripped or torn? I have a decal on a nose of a UP PB > unit that I would like > to secure before it gets damaged. It is all there > right now and I would > like to secure it. > > gary > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29009	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Insta-cycle button for reverse units: WAS: Engine problem

Ok, I've had a number of requests on what I was talking about with the full-voltage push button. Here's the explanation I sent to Barb, I hope it is clear enough. Two ways of doing the button. Take a wire from the 18V post, to a doorbell button, or similar normally open push button, then a wire from the button to the 7-18V post, and voila! you're done! Second way, which I am still working on, is for the turret type transformers that never shut off until you lift the lever (more wear & Tear). I found some DPST switches that are On-Off-momentary On -- I'd have to find the package to tell you where I found them, but I remember it was on an internet electronics supply site. Wire from the 7-18V post goes to the On contact, wire from the 18V post goes to the Momentary On contact, and wire from the center contact to the track. (and of course, the base post to the track too). Now the switch should work as an On -Off switch to cut power to the rails, and once in the Off position, you can pulse the full 18 Volts by hitting the Momentary On side (it is spring loaded to return to center off on that side). I was just thinking, that if you have an AF whistle control. You might want to install it before the DOST switch, so it doesn't get "nailed" with full voltage pulses, which might be hard on the internal contacts. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29010	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem now transformer button

Mark wrote: "The question I have is if you hit it with full voltage does this cause the engines to "jump" or is the button contact momentary enough to make this unnoticeable?" Um, depends on how fast you are in "unpushing" :-) Usually I just hear that reasuring "Click" telling me the unit has done its thing. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29011	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: roundhouse

Does anyone remember anything about an article somewhere to convert an Atlas HO roundhouse for S use? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29012	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only

Jeff, Define "stalls" For instance, does it stop with the reverse unit in neutral? this can be caused by a loose drive wheel rim, that touches the frame, causing a momentary short, or it could even be a worn out tender truck bushing, that lets the tender truck rock too much (a very difficult problem to diagnose!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29013	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring

Roy, Typical factory variation. I think it has something to do with production time, but I can't substantiate that! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29014	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Re: About the metal in your Die cast train.

Scott, Well, that's part of the problem, but the main problem is that the alloy is easily made unstable by a very minute introduction of contamination, most commonly Lead. That is why some batches of parts fail and others don't. Under controlled conditions, Zamack can be a very stable material, I have auto parts made in the late 1920s that are still solid--but I also have parts that aren't! (same parts!). Most of the postwar AF zamack is pretty good, but I've seen a 644 crane car body showing the typical grain line fractures. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29015	From: rayklesc	Date: 1/5/2004
Subject: Horizon Hobby Acquires Athearn Trains...

Happy New Year to everyone... We just received a press release from Athearn informing us that Athearn Trains has been acquired by Horizon Hobby, Inc. The full press release is now posted on my web site at the following url: <http://www.modelrailroadhobby.com/Publish/journal/articles_list.asp? vjob=vsub,84> Ray Klesc Model Railroad Hobby <http://modelrailroadhobby.com>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29016	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Lumberyard look a like

The Ertle County Fair set has a building like the Walthers Cornerstone lumberyard. This some additional siding it could be made to look like the lumberyard. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3168233239&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29017	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: roundhouse

Dwight, I remember seeng something about converting a HO turntable to S but I can't remember where. In fact, I was going to as the list if anyone had seen this article. Gene > ---------- > From: dwightlehnhoff > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2004 1:15 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] roundhouse > > Does anyone remember anything about an article somewhere to convert > an Atlas HO roundhouse for S use? > > Dwight > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29018	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: I hope I did the right thing.

Hi Scott: I would be interested in hearing about the pot metal (I think - maybe after I find out, I will just sit here and worry about my early S gauge stuff). Please discuss as a function of time - that is, when you say older, do you mean AF O gauge, or the early 1946-1947 S gauge, etc. Thanks for the information in advance. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) uvl97222 wrote: > Hi all of you in the "S" Group. Let me say all I was doing is answering some >one question on the white power on the links, and how to get it cleaned off. I >was in a rush going out the door this morning, and did not take the time to go >in to a long explanation on what it was. Other then calling it what most people >call it "mold". Well that's what I here all the time. I hope I did not come off >wrong or out of turn. > Now if some of you would like to here about what's going on to the pot metal >that all are trains are made of, and I think you all should of seen by now how >some of the older metal pieces are starting to crack, and crumble in your >hands. I would be happy to tell you what I have found out about it. > Scott > > >S-Tr > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29019	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: Insta-cycle button for reverse units: WAS: Engine problem

Hi David: Hey, what happens to the electronic reversing units in the hi-rail SHS type engines? do they get fried?? Rance David Dewey wrote: >Ok, I've had a number of requests on what I was talking about with the >full-voltage push button. Here's the explanation I sent to Barb, I hope it >is clear enough. > >Two ways of doing the button. Take a wire from the 18V post, to a doorbell >button, or similar normally open push button, then a wire from the button to >the 7-18V post, and voila! you're done! >Second way, which I am still working on, is for the turret type transformers >that never shut off until you lift the lever (more wear & Tear). I found >some DPST switches that are On-Off-momentary On -- I'd have to find the >package to tell you where I found them, but I remember it was on an internet >electronics supply site. Wire from the 7-18V post goes to the On contact, >wire from the 18V post goes to the Momentary On contact, and wire from the >center contact to the track. (and of course, the base post to the track >too). Now the switch should work as an On -Off switch to >cut power to the rails, and once in the Off position, you can pulse the full >18 Volts by hitting the Momentary On side (it is spring loaded to return to >center off on that side). > >I was just thinking, that if you have an AF whistle control. You might want >to install it before the DOST switch, so it doesn't get "nailed" with full >voltage pulses, which might be hard on the internal contacts. > >S' >David D. > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29020	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: ebay

What is the great fascination with ebay? What difference does it make if their rates went up a nickel?I'm sure my local hobby shops rent has gone up significantly since I started shopping there,but the prices didn't jump each time the rent went up.It seems like there is a lot of discussion on the list concerning ebay.I don't like K-mart,their prices are ussually marked wrong,their merchandise isn't as good as the other discount chains,but rather than gripe about it everyday I just shop elsewhere.The prices on ebay are controlled by the bidders, not the sellers,and if you don't like the shipping terms avoid the seller.I have already had to block a list member's email,for sending rude off list mail concerning this topic.His "inquiring minds" attitude crossed the line concerning info he felt I needed to share with him.There have been many informative posts concerning S trains in the short time I have been on the list,but this great ebay bashing obsession gets very distracting.Irv _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29021	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

***(((What is the great fascination with ebay? What difference does it make if their rates went up a nickel?I'm sure my local hobby shops rent has gone up significantly since I started shopping there,but the prices didn't jump each time the rent went up.It seems like there is a lot of discussion on the list concerning ebay.)))*** Well Irv,....it's been stated MANY times before,.....to some of us eBay is where we shop for AF trains...(as well as using a few other AF dealers online).... sooooo, the subject of eBay comes up a lot!! I buy and sell on eBay a bit. I like eBay, myself. And it aways comes back to ---D-E-L-E-T-E --those posts ya don't like....I know that I do! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29022	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

To Rick and list, guees I mistated my question. I am aware I can delete anything that has a subject I'm not interested in.The question I was trying to get to, was... Has everybody on this list been screwed over by ebay? The posts I have seen about ebay remind me of when I went to my first TCA meet as a guest. I was asked where I got trains from and responded "mailorder" The club members all told me what a fool I was and how the mailorder guys were all crooks.I have travelled alot, but today my primary source of trains is still mail order.Other than your post(Rick), and occaisionally a post by a couple guys I recognize as sellers most of the talk is the same stuff I heard about mailorder 30 years ago. Irv >From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:53:30 -0800 > >***(((What is the great fascination with ebay? What difference does it make >if >their rates went up a nickel?I'm sure my local hobby shops rent has gone up >significantly since I started shopping there,but the prices didn't jump >each >time the rent went up.It seems like there is a lot of discussion on the >list >concerning ebay.)))*** > >Well Irv,....it's been stated MANY times before,.....to some of us eBay is >where we shop for AF trains...(as well as using a few other AF dealers >online).... >sooooo, the subject of eBay comes up a lot!! I buy and sell on eBay a bit. >I like eBay, myself. >And it aways comes back to ---D-E-L-E-T-E --those posts ya don't like....I >know that I do! :^) > > >Rick. > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29023	From: Carl	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: eBay listing prices

I personally couldn't care less what eBay charges for listing fees. In fact, I wish they would charge MORE. Maybe it would drive out the rats who shouldn't be there anyway, selling their garbage at a "gold" reserve. Carl Miller _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29024	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

***(((Has everybody on this list been screwed over by ebay? ))**** Well,...I'm not sure if it's Ebay itself that everyone gets "hot" about.... seems like it's always been more about crooked sellers, high shipping costs, bad grading of items, etc. etc. etc.....just some "bad apple" problems that ruins the crop! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29025	From: Tim	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: eBay

Hi guys, I'm not a moderator, but I'm beginning to smell smoke and from past experience, I know that where there's smoke, there's fire. We don't want to go down the road of a mandatory time out again, do we? I know I don't because it would be a loss to us all, whether we like eBay practices or not. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29026	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

I am a buyer and recently I have sold some duplicate items that I had to reduce the costs of upgrading. I live in an area that makes it impossible for me to get to any type of train store and so e-Bay is a necessity for me to increase and improve my Flyer. I think it boils down to it's human nature to complain about something than it is extol the possible virtues. There are people on the list that have had bad experiences and they are just trying to warn others. I have had more good experiences than bad, but I tend to keep quiet most of the time and only ask the odd question here and there and try to stay out of the "heated" discussions. I have had great experiences with some of the mail order shops as well. Just my .02 Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29027	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Mandatory Time Out!

Tim, Is that what we had...a mandatory time out? I'm glad we weren't told not to play with out trains during that time out it would've been even worse! I know my trains would not be as fun without the "list." They wouldn't be running as efficiently I know that! gary On 1/6/04 11:49 AM, "Tim" <Timboy@...> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm not a moderator, but I'm beginning to smell smoke and from past > experience, I know that where there's smoke, there's fire. We don't want to > go down the road of a mandatory time out again, do we? I know I don't because > it would be a loss to us all, whether we like eBay practices or not. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29028	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

Hi Irv and Rick: Ebay is no worse or no better than a train show, as what happens to buyers on Ebay can happen to buyers at a Train Show. In the coin hobby, most of my buys were mail order and most were going, as they have a decent return policy. I believe most sales of coins are mail order. However, Ebay lets you see what is on the market, say in CA, when I live in MD, as I have a few things I am searching for and may not see them here in MD or at York. It is all about knowing who to buy from, at a show or on Ebay. I purchased a 336 engine at one of my first train shows in 1993 and when I got home, the truck on a tender fell apart. I contacted the seller, as I neve knew him before and he took care of it. Today, he is a great friend. I have purchase engines and cars at shows and they have problems with them, as I didn't check them out before buying them. So, I have learned to look good at things and asked questions. Not all Ebay and Train Show people are bad, as I think 98% are good people and if something does happen, talk to them. If they are decent, they will work it out. Irv, I have gotten "screwed", your words, at TCA meets before. I have one dealer at TCA York who is a favorite, a few dollars higher that a guide book and that is understandable, as many AF items are one of a kind in E to Mint. He gets my business at York. He knows that someone will buy it. Train collecting to me is not for the purpose of investing. That is what my 401K is for. You do it because it is fun. I have made a great friend on Ebay, who has some of the best descriptions and pictures of AF. He will answer any question,no matter how stupid it is, as a professional. We write often about non train things, as he is a tropical fish store owner and I used to be into tropical fish too for 25 years. He has invited me to see his store, as we past by him on our vacations. I think there is nothing wrong with Mail Order for the most part. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29029	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

i guess no one ever went to a show,got something that looked good ,and when they got home found out it was not what it appeared to be,,,bottom line is,you can get bad stuff at shows,ebay or anywhere,,,,,,,, buy off people with good ratings, or dealers you know,thats the best way to protect yourself,,,if it sounds too good to be true, it is usually,,,thanks lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay > ***(((Has everybody on this list been screwed over by ebay? ))**** > > > Well,...I'm not sure if it's Ebay itself that everyone gets "hot" about.... > seems like it's always been more about crooked sellers, high shipping costs, bad grading of items, etc. etc. etc.....just some "bad apple" problems that ruins the crop! :^) > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29030	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Billy the Baggage Smasher

Hello all. Someone wrote last week wondering about delivery dates for Billy the Baggage Smasher. FedEx delivered mine today. I looked it over and as best as I can remember it looks identical to an Original that I saw several years ago at the Dupage County Train Show. I went out and dug up the first transformer that I could find (19B single turret 300 watt) and hooked it up. The controller for this accessory is thankfully very Flyer like, it is actually labeled American Flyer Baggage Smasher with no mention of BIG L! (maybe those guys are finally catching on). Small tag on station platform does say American Flyer Mfg. by Lionel L.L.C., but this tag is very small. Instructions called for running between 10 and 14 volts, but at any selection Billy runs smoothly and even at 15 volts is not ridiculously fast. This station is also lighted. Operational hum may be a little noisey for some, but for a toy train accessory I have no complaints. OH BOY! TRAINS! ............Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29031	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: 343 wiring

At 04:47 PM 1/5/04 -0600, you wrote: >All: >I finally added a tender (put together for me from bits and pieces) to my >long tender-less 343. When I hooked it up, I found it ran in reverse but >not forward. I investigated further and found that the jack panel wiring >on the locomotive did not match what I assumed was the standard sequence >coil-brush-coil-brush; instead it was something like >brush-coil-coil-brush. When I rewired, it worked find. Is this something >original or could the wiring have been changed by a previous owner? I >vaguely recall coming across something like this before. Thanks and Happy >New Year to all. - Roy > >Roy E. Plotnick Through the years, Gilbert changed the various post positions of the wires.I don't know their reasoning, behind the changes. But, if you're going to test an engine, to isolate a problem, with a different tender. it's wise to check first to see it the wiring is compadible. If the engine's wires to the plug are just soldered to the top of the post, it's probably original from the factory. Usually, there's little, if any, solder on the bottom of the posts........D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29032	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: ebay

At 05:35 PM 1/6/04 +0000, you wrote: >What is the great fascination with ebay? What difference does it make if >their rates went up a nickel?I'm sure my local hobby shops rent has gone up >significantly since I started shopping there,but the prices didn't jump each >time the rent went up.It seems like there is a lot of discussion on the list >concerning ebay.I don't like K-mart,their prices are ussually marked >wrong,their merchandise isn't as good as the other discount chains,but >rather than gripe about it everyday I just shop elsewhere.The prices on ebay >are controlled by the bidders, not the sellers,and if you don't like the >shipping terms avoid the seller.I have already had to block a list member's >email,for sending rude off list mail concerning this topic.His "inquiring >minds" attitude crossed the line concerning info he felt I needed to share >with him.There have been many informative posts concerning S trains in the >short time I have been on the list,but this great ebay bashing obsession >gets very distracting.Irv I think David was just offering a piece of information. I didn't see a negative editorial comment. I've already attached parts of his message to automotive list I am a member.........D.D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29033	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Re: Billy the Baggage Smasher

In a message dated 1/6/2004 4:02:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, bellokdaka@... writes: Someone wrote last week wondering about delivery dates for Billy the Baggage Smasher. FedEx delivered mine today. I looked it over and as best as I can remember it looks identical to an Original that I saw several years ago at the Dupage County Train Show. They are not the same. The original animated Billy via vibrator (as with the Gilbert walking brakeman), while the new one is activated by a small motor and linkage. Also, the new one is lit while the old is not. Potentially, the reissue is arguably superior to the vintage version. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29034	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: More: Rotting Metal

Greetings, Scott had sent in additional information on the deterioration of our cast metal parts. I thought I'd impress everyone with a little more information. The problem he speaks of - corrosion between the metals of the casting - is called "Inter granular Corrosion" It is as he speaks. Corrosion between the grains of the metal causing them to push away from each other creating swelling and artsy shapes. As I understand it, scrap metal from the casting department would go back into the kettle to be melted down and reused. The problem was, the "recipe" would change as different metals were tossed in. I believe it is a higher amount of zinc that creates the worst reaction. (In organ pipes, similar rotting is referred to as "tin pest".) I was shipped a prewar AF engine. The eBay photo looked good, but what I received was practically a pile of dust. The rough handling in shipping just caused the weakened metal to break apart. I'm cautious about buying prewar Flyer now. I believe they corrected this problem by the time "S" came on the scene. Oh, early billboard whistles had the "inter granular corrosion" problem in the casting of the resonator/blower body. Happy New Year!! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29035	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: Pot metal

This is to Fred, but some of you should see this too. Hi Fred, I am sorry to say that some of my "S" has had it too. The cast side trucks for the 660-960 passenger or the log car flat #628. I have had to pull a part a #755 talking station to put a new cam in the record playing mechanism too. Now that was a job. I work for a large casting firm as a Tig Welder - trainer. I also took a class on metallurgy that the companie paid for at the school. In making the rounds to the lab also the other suport staff. I was able to ask co-workers about what was going on with my parts that were falling a part. They all have been helpful,and have meny years of knowledge. I have seen metal cast ,and know what you are saying about foil being put in the melt. The foil I think would of been slaged off the top. Also the percent of aluminum from one foil I don't think would of did that much to it. From reading that book I told you all about . Gilbert had a foundry that was a metal injecting process with dies too, and it was on site. Here is the mix for the alloy Tin 6% Copper31/2% Aluminum 11/2% Zinc 891/4% This works the best when it comes to die cast. The copper in the mix make it suited to die casting. There should be no lead in it at all. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29036	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/6/2004
Subject: 1997 Christmas Box car never been run

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29037	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: I hope I did the right thing.

Hello all; Here's some information that you all might be interested to read in reference to the problems of crumbling cast parts in AF--I asked Maury Romer about 20 years ago about this problem, and he told me that Zamac is a pretty exact science as far as the ingredients go, and the boys in the casting department were contaminating the metal by throwing foil gum wrappers (among other things) in the mix. Seems that they got the problem solved by the time of the changeover to "S" gauge, but i've had two 4-8-4 (1947-48) motor frames crumble in the last 30 years. Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29038	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Magazines - free to good homes (almost free)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29039	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: Pot metal

Scott Come to think of it, i've come across a couple of 660 cars with crumbling sideframes. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29040	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint

Got one reply on a possible match for the blue paint on the #350 Royal Blue engine & tender. Does anyone else have additional ideas, so I have some options? Thanks! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29041	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/7/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Paint

I think Doug Peck or triple 'S' (or something similar) in Pennsylvania has Royal Blue Paint for the 350. They also have the white that goes around the nose. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) ruth.leahy@... wrote: >Got one reply on a possible match for the blue paint on the #350 Royal Blue >engine & tender. Does anyone else have additional ideas, so I have some >options? > >Thanks! > >Mike Leahy > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29042	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: #696 Track Trip

I have a 696 track trip with a slight crimp in the copper contact strip underneath. Consequently, the copper strip always makes contact, whether the trip is in the "off" position (no train) or the "on" position (train activating the button on top). Therefore, the crossing signal lights are always ON. Am I correct in assuming that the contact should NOT be making an electrical connection when the train is away and that the crossing lights should be OFF in normal mode? If so, I'll have to make a small adjustment to the copper spring strip. Thanks, as always, for your help. Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29043	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint

<<<<I think Doug Peck or triple 'S' (or something similar) in Pennsylvania has Royal Blue Paint for the 350. They also have the white that goes around the nose.>>> Yes, we stock the standard AF "repro paints", but some are not all that great a match. Some are fine; others not so fine. RB paint is OK, but a little on the dark side, I feel. However, that may be because of fading of original paints over 50+ years! Blues and reds, in particular, experience definite fading. I have heard several guys reference a Krylon (or similar) paint which is supposedly an excellent match for RB.....but I can't recall exactly what it was. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29044	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: #696 Track Trip

Your assumption is correct Peg. There should be no contact until the train passes over the black button on the trip. I had the same problem and had to play with the copper strip a little. Good luck,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, seekr2@c... wrote: > I have a 696 track trip with a slight crimp in the copper contact strip underneath. Consequently, the copper strip always makes contact, whether the trip is in the "off" position (no train) or the "on" position (train activating the button on top). Therefore, the crossing signal lights are always ON. Am I correct in assuming that the contact should NOT be making an electrical connection when the train is away and that the crossing lights should be OFF in normal mode? If so, I'll have to make a small adjustment to the copper spring strip. > > Thanks, as always, for your help. > > Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29045	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint

In a message dated 1/8/2004 9:12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, doug@... writes: I have heard several guys reference a Krylon (or similar) paint which is supposedly an excellent match for RB.....but I can't recall exactly what it was. A reminder to all who are interested. The shade of blue on the 1948 version is lighter (i.e., less deep) than the 1950 version. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Petes Molasses Shed

I have the same loader in my hand, #35759 HO "Drum Loading Conveyor". Mine says "Oil Depot" on the back and left side. "AIRPORT" in an arrow on the roof. Definitely in an AMERICAN FLYER HO box, may have been sold as "S" gauge also. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29047	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Christmas layout

I have posted some pictures of my Christmas layout.This pretty much represents the kind of layout I had at Christmas time when I was a kid in the late 40's early 50's. I really have to give my parents a lot of credit for my fond memories of Christmas back then.When my sister and I went to bed on Christmas eve,the living room in our house was bare.After we were in bed,my parents would set up the train,the Christmas tree and haul in the presents.What a surprise on Christmas day!! It took me 3 days to set up this layout and my dad would do a similar one in a few hours. Larry Oberman http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun88

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29048	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

Larry - That is a fantastic amount of action in that space. How big is the plywood sheet? Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Oberman" <68cuda440@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout > I have posted some pictures of my Christmas layout.This pretty much > represents the kind of layout I had at Christmas time when I was a kid in > the late 40's early 50's. > > I really have to give my parents a lot of credit for my fond memories of > Christmas back then.When my sister and I went to bed on Christmas eve,the > living room in our house was bare.After we were in bed,my parents would set > up the train,the Christmas tree and haul in the presents.What a surprise on > Christmas day!! > > It took me 3 days to set up this layout and my dad would do a similar one > in a few hours. > > Larry Oberman > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun88 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29049	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint

At 04:23 PM 1/8/04 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/8/2004 9:12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >doug@... writes: >I have heard several guys reference a Krylon (or similar) paint which is >supposedly an excellent match for RB.....but I can't recall exactly what it >was. >A reminder to all who are interested. The shade of blue on the 1948 version >is lighter (i.e., less deep) than the 1950 version. > >Bob Bubeck You can try your local auto body parts supply shop for a color match. Not only can they match the color, they now have the ability to sell it a spray can. A shop here does it for us, worked perfect for a pre-war Royal Blue...................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29050	From: larryasp	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

I want to thank the group for their input about my e unit problem that happened after converting a couple of my Flyer engines to can motors with a bridge rectifier system wired to the Flyer e unit. The engine crawled significantly when going into reverse or forward as the drum of the e unit rotated. I cleaned the e units more than once, changed drum fingers, and the crawling persisted. In the end I took the advice of several on the list and tried an electronic e unit. Took out the mechanical one. The result is - no crawling , and the can motor with the electronic e unit works great. I am extremly happy with the can motor using the electronic unit. Another question - how many different types of can motors for Flyer steamers are out there ready to drop in- and which one seems to work best? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29051	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: can motors

I am using the slow speed SnS in a 312 and am very pleased. Redid the smoke unit to smoke well at lower voltage. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29052	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Zamac

David Dewey wrote, "Most of the postwar AF zamack is pretty good, but I've seen a 644 crane car body showing the typical grain line fractures." Did A. C. Gilbert make ALL of their postwar zamac castings using the same supplier, or did they get some castings from other suppliers? I haven't seen any examples of AF S gauge castings going bad so I wonder if the crane casings were from a different supplier. Anyone know? Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29053	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: can motors

Dwight; Did you rewrap the smoke unit with less wire to make it smoke at lower voltage? Did you by any chance measure the resistance or length if this is what you had done? Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] can motors Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:21:47 -0000 I am using the slow speed SnS in a 312 and am very pleased. Redid the smoke unit to smoke well at lower voltage. Dwight S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29054	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

Larry; Wow. Thats nice. Did you go off a allready plan or did you do it yourself? Whats the board size. Nice action. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Larry Oberman <68cuda440@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:57:09 -0700 I have posted some pictures of my Christmas layout.This pretty much represents the kind of layout I had at Christmas time when I was a kid in the late 40's early 50's. I really have to give my parents a lot of credit for my fond memories of Christmas back then.When my sister and I went to bed on Christmas eve,the living room in our house was bare.After we were in bed,my parents would set up the train,the Christmas tree and haul in the presents.What a surprise on Christmas day!! It took me 3 days to set up this layout and my dad would do a similar one in a few hours. Larry Oberman http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun88 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29055	From: Bruce	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Catching Up

I finally finished reading all the digests from the holidays when I didn't have much computer time. I have comments on a couple subjects. 1) Zemac (sp?) I repaired a S.I.T. engine a few years ago that had the bellows replaced with a cylinder and the cylinder metal had completely cracked into a matrix of small pieces. I don't know when ACG introduced the cylinders as bellows replacements, but they were obviously having problems with some of the metal at that time. BTW - Does anyone sell the short piston arm to use with the replacement cylinders? I've had to make my own from the longer S.I.B. piston arms. 2) Thrust plates on diesel trucks The back edge of a cassette tape has two plastic tabs that can be broken out to prevent the tape from being recorded over. These tabs are almost identical to the ACG thrust plates and I have used them as thrust plate replacements. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29056	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/8/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint

We have a 1948 S gauge Royal Blue loco. The prewar 3/16" 0 gauge Royal Blue locos I've seen match it's color. The 1950 RB locos sport a more vivid, slightly lighter blue. The only as-is-from-the-container paint I've been able to find that matches the 1948 color is Rustoleum #7723 "Navy". (Be aware that Rustoleum does make a shade of blue that they designate "Royal Blue", but it is much lighter than either Gilbert color.) A prewar observation car restored with #7723 Navy can be seen here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album98/PulObs1 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29057	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

Hi Larry, I use all Timko Motors in my engines.over 100 hours on my 336 and my 302. Never had a problem since I changed over. I love having a flywheel on my engines. They start slow and very smooth and will run at very low speeds. Hope this helps I'm sure the motor from Sand S are excellent too! Also The ones from Carl T. are very good from what I understand. It's all a matter of cost and what you want from the motor. Chris Burger Dayton Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29058	From: Brad Anderson	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Rulers

Hi, I was searching online for an S scale ruler and found that a company called C.T.T. Inc Dallas, Tx. makes a 1:64 S scale ruler and a 1:72 S scale ruler. I always thought S scale was 1:64. Is the 1:64 ruler for high rail and the 1:72 ruler for scale ? I saw this on 2 different seller's websites, so I know it's not a missprint. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Bradley Anderson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29059	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: TEST: Please deleate

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29060	From: prince71443	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: TRAIN SHOW

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29061	From: doug	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors

<<<Another question - how many different types of can motors for Flyer steamers are out there ready to drop in- and which one seems to work best?>>> Larry--- As far as I know, there are only three "drop-in" units available.....two from SnS (the only difference is speed...."full speed", and "half speed").....and Timko (which incorporates a flywheel on the rear of the motor. We carry all three, and pricing is the same. I'll leave comments about which "works best" to others. Personally, I think it is just a matter of personal preference. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29062	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: More "Decomposing" Metal on S gauge

I have seen 21107 Atlantics with the motor mounts broken apart from the rest of the metal chassis. I had always thought of this as similar to the pre war O gauge problems. As a result the armature spins but the engine just sits or moves real jerky. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29063	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Rulers

Bradley....Go to walley world and pick up an Architectural scale....3-sided.....use the 3/16" scale...."S" is 1/64 scale....which is the same as 3/16"....IE 64 feet = 1'-0" Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Anderson" <brad_2004777@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rulers > > Hi, > > I was searching online for an S scale ruler and found that a company called C.T.T. Inc Dallas, Tx. makes a 1:64 S scale ruler and a 1:72 S scale ruler. I always thought S scale was 1:64. Is the 1:64 ruler for high rail and the 1:72 ruler for scale ? I saw this on 2 different seller's websites, so I know it's not a missprint. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. > > Bradley Anderson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29064	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights

I am experimenting with using miniature Christmas tree lights wired in parallel to light Plasticville and other buildings. Does anyone know the the amperage or wattage requirement of a single bulb? All I can find is that they are rated at 2.5 - 3.5 volts. Neil Holcomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29065	From: martyl11	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Looking for layout plans.

Looking for layout plans, anything would be a help! Does anyone have anything they would like to share???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29066	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: MTH vrs Lionel

The 1/9/04 Baltimore Sun says that a judge is allowing Mike's Train House, based on Columbia, Maryland, to proceed with a huge lawsuit ($29 million) against Lionel. MTH accuses L of stealing train plans from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike. I'm sure it's more complex than that, but this seems to be the essence. I wonder if this publicity and legal action will benefit or hurt our hobby? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29067	From: Marty	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Trestle Pics

Some more pisc of the new layout with the trestles Marty Rajsich http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun76

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29068	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel

In a message dated 1/9/04 11:49:41 AM, davidh@... writes: << I wonder if this publicity and legal action will benefit or hurt our hobby? Dave >> Hurt. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29069	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S-Friendly Train Store in SW Chicagoland

First, let me say I have no financial or other connection to this store. And Roy, if you could add it to your growing list of S- Friendly shops, it would be appreciated. Bill's Englewood Station opened a year ago in the Chicago SW suburbs, and I stopped in there yesterday. While heavy on O gauge, he has one of the better S Gauge sections I've seen of any train/hobby shop in the Chicagoland area -- save for Des Plaines Hobbies. And owner Bill Parr feels S has been too much ignored and wants to grow it, as he says he has been getting a sudden rush from S gaugers in the last few months. He has on his shelves running stock and locomotives from American Models, S Helper Service (Showcase Line) and Flyonel. He is also looking for a qualified and dependable repair person to fix AF, as he has been getting many requests for repair work. The store is: Bill's Englewood Station 9564 West 147th Street Orland Park, Illinois 708-460-4906 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29070	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel

>> I wonder if this publicity and legal action will benefit or hurt our hobby?<< I vote for "neither." It will get model trains and their ever- advancing technology into the news, which in any form calls attention to the hobby. Legal bickering between manufacturers goes on in every successful industry in which the participants actively seek to protect their brand names, trade dress, copyrights and patents (technology and proprietary interests). So IMHO, I don't see it as a negative, because this sort of thing goes on all the time in business. I can speak to this subject in the golf equipment industry, which has seen hundreds of similar lawsuits over the years without a direct effect on sales or interest. The golf equipment industry is currently down, but solely for economic reasons -- 1.) the slow economy of the last two years, and 2.) too many manufacturers all fighting for a tiny piece of a very big pie ($26 billion a year) -- and the pieces are too small for every company to survive. And the industry has built too many new courses for the number of golfers and rounds being played for everyone to be financially successful. But people still play golf. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29071	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

**(((That is a fantastic amount of action in that space. How big is the plywood sheet?))*** Larry,... I checked out your photo album the other night,...VERY nice!! I left a comment/question in your album regarding Dick's question also.....what size is your layout?? Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29072	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors

**(((I am using the slow speed SnS in a 312 and am very pleased. Redid the smoke unit to smoke well at lower voltage.)))*** Dwight.. I'm curious to why you re-did the smoke unit......as Steve has told me smoke units work better with the 'slow' can motor. (more juice to the unit allowing more smoke at slow speeds.) Or am I all wet Steve??? :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29073	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel

It is interesting that a small bit about this was in the Washington Post business page today, also, as I wonder, if the Sun and the Post ran this basically because MTH is based in Columbia, MD a suburb of each city. Anybody see this in their newspapers? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH vrs Lionel > The 1/9/04 Baltimore Sun says that a judge is allowing Mike's Train House, based on Columbia, Maryland, to proceed with a huge lawsuit ($29 million) against Lionel. MTH accuses L of stealing train plans from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike. I'm sure it's more complex than that, but this seems to be the essence. I wonder if this publicity and legal action will benefit or hurt our hobby? > Dave > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel

All will happen is the price of trains will go UP....TO PAY ATTORNEYS FEES......Bob Conner...RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29075	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights

I use several in series to light buildings. Ideally about 5 of the 3 volters works well for my old 15V transformers. I figure they have to be less than a watt each and have never used enough to notice a current drain. I have enough outside for Christmas decorations that I have to use multiple circuits to avoid tripping breakers so the wattage from hundreds obviously does add up. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <WNHOLCOMB@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Miniature Christmas lights > I am experimenting with using miniature Christmas tree lights wired in > parallel to light Plasticville and other buildings. Does anyone know the the > amperage or wattage requirement of a single bulb? All I can find is that they are > rated at 2.5 - 3.5 volts. > > Neil Holcomb > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29076	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: S-Friendly Train Store in SW Chicagoland

Hi Phil, Thanks for the tip. I added him to the website. It's great to see a hobby shop not only featuring S, but getting lots of sales in the process. This is what the other hobby shops will catch on to some day. Roy www.s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > First, let me say I have no financial or other connection to this > store. And Roy, if you could add it to your growing list of S- > Friendly shops, it would be appreciated. > > Bill's Englewood Station opened a year ago in the Chicago SW > suburbs, and I stopped in there yesterday. While heavy on O gauge, > he has one of the better S Gauge sections I've seen of any > train/hobby shop in the Chicagoland area -- save for Des Plaines > Hobbies. And owner Bill Parr feels S has been too much ignored and > wants to grow it, as he says he has been getting a sudden rush from > S gaugers in the last few months. He has on his shelves running > stock and locomotives from American Models, S Helper Service > (Showcase Line) and Flyonel. He is also looking for a qualified and > dependable repair person to fix AF, as he has been getting many > requests for repair work. > > The store is: > > Bill's Englewood Station > 9564 West 147th Street > Orland Park, Illinois > 708-460-4906 > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29077	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Christmas layout

I have added a scan of the layout plan from the 1955 book.It is the layout in the lower right.I have added some switches to make the lower siding into a loop and added a couple of other sidings.The lower outside loop also has a couple of 1/2 straights added so the trains don't hit each other. Also some pictures from long ago. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29078	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: can motors

In a message dated 01/09/2004 12:08:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: Dwight.. I'm curious to why you re-did the smoke unit......as Steve has told me smoke units work better with the 'slow' can motor. (more juice to the unit allowing more smoke at slow speeds.) Or am I all wet Steve??? :^) Rick. You are absolutely correct, Rick Steve Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29079	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Savannah, GA Train Show(AmericanFlyerTrains.com)

Your S-Trains list sponsor(and ebay alternative) is going to venture up to Savannah to do a train show at the Savannah Mall January 17th and 18th. Never did this one before so it will be a new experience. Just wondering if we have any list members up that way. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29080	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Slightly OT: MTH vs Lionel LLC case to continue

At least two Michigan newspapers Business Sections (Detroit Free Press & Lansing State Journal) stated today that the MTH vs Lionel LLC case "stealing trade secrets" (filed in 2000) can continue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29081	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

got a link. theres nowhere to find it here.? Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Larry Oberman <68cuda440@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:24:20 -0700 I have added a scan of the layout plan from the 1955 book.It is the layout in the lower right.I have added some switches to make the lower siding into a loop and added a couple of other sidings.The lower outside loop also has a couple of 1/2 straights added so the trains don't hit each other. Also some pictures from long ago. Larry S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29082	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Costs

Gentlemen: I noticed a comment about the MTH versus Lionel suite increasing costs of our products. These costs are still pennies on the cost of the items we buy as compared to other factors. I believe that over the next two to three years we are going to see a substantial increase in costs when buying new items for pursing our train hobby. It won't just apply to S though. The bottom line is that we have been enjoying the fruits of high quality manufacturing operations in the far east with most of the emphasis on China production. The Chinese currency, I believe is undervalued by 30 to 40% or more and the labor costs are going to go up. Unlike sneakers and textiles, I don't believe that you can get the craftsmanship by moving production from China when the labor prices get too high. Its sort of like Lionel's experience when they moved production to Mexico and then had to move it back to Michigan because the quality sucked. So the cost of our hobby will go up if you want to buy good new stuff. This also means that the old stuff will go up in price too. But the question comes up will we want to pay double at the retail level for any new stuff in the next few years and what impact will that have on the train hobby and new people who want to set up a layout or be a collector. Would the hobby become so expensive that people can't get into it and what happens to the value of our current collections? I don't know, but it impacts on whether to buy now or later if you have the money. So right now I enjoy collecting and operating what I have, and buy everything I can afford to buy while I can. I don't always have the money but when I have it, I buy it. Its sort of like the golden age for S where we finally are getting all the variety of stuff that O, HO and other gauges have been enjoying for the past thirty years. I hope the prices don't go up like I figure they will. But if they do, I hope to have most of what I want for my layout by then and what I don't; well maybe I'll just have to figure out how to build myself. Regads, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29083	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights

I use 3 xmasbulbs per building in series to light Dept 56 buildings on my Christmas layout; the buildings are then wired in parallel and all is hooked to an AF transformer set to about 3-4 volts. I hated the 115 v light cords. Don't know the amperage/wattage tho. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <WNHOLCOMB@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Miniature Christmas lights > I am experimenting with using miniature Christmas tree lights wired in > parallel to light Plasticville and other buildings. Does anyone know the the > amperage or wattage requirement of a single bulb? All I can find is that they are > rated at 2.5 - 3.5 volts. > > Neil Holcomb > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29084	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: 21107 disintegrates

> From: Mike Vana <amflyer@...> >Subject: More "Decomposing" Metal on S gauge > >I have seen 21107 Atlantics with the motor mounts broken apart from >the rest of the metal chassis. I had always thought of this as similar to >the pre war O gauge problems. As a result the armature spins but the >engine just sits or moves real jerky. > >Mike Vana Omaha, NE. I also have a 21107 where the chassis was pretty much disintegrated - replaced with a spare chassis. Wonder if this was a bad batch? - ROy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29085	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue paint

Hello all; plasticote royal blue #1134 works well for doing 350's fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29086	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature Christmas lights

Neil, I see you already had one answer, but there is an easy way to determine amperage. Most likely you have an Ohm meter, can't hardly keep AF running without one. Hook the meter between the bulb and the positive power, set meter on amps and get a direct reading. I wonder why you want to hook them in parallel. That means you are going to need a 2.5 to 3.5 power supply. You should be able to hook about 6 in series and they would match up with the constant side of the transformer (figuring 15 volt output. (lowest voltage you use the better for life of bulbs, they will last forever at 2.5 V, but have much shorter life at 3.5 V) I do know that 10 bulbs hooked in paralled will sap 2 D batteries in 2-4 hours. They make strings like that with battery cases attached. Tried to use them in my car once, had to end up putting them on a 3 V inverter, because the batteries went out so fast. Jerry Hiett --- On Fri 01/09, < WNHOLCOMB@... > wrote: From: [mailto: WNHOLCOMB@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:19:06 EST Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Miniature Christmas lights I am experimenting with using miniature Christmas tree lights wired in parallel to light Plasticville and other buildings. Does anyone know the the amperage or wattage requirement of a single bulb? All I can find is that they are rated at 2.5 - 3.5 volts. Neil Holcomb _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29087	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

Message: 25 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:00:14 -0800 From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> Subject: RE: Christmas layout got a link. theres nowhere to find it here.? Sorry I forgot the link. Here it is--http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun88 Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Larry Oberman <68cuda440@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:24:20 -0700 I have added a scan of the layout plan from the 1955 book.It is the layout in the lower right.I have added some switches to make the lower siding into a loop and added a couple of other sidings.The lower outside loop also has a couple of 1/2 straights added so the trains don't hit each other. Also some pictures from long ago. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29089	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2139

In a message dated 1/9/04 1:36:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:57:09 -0700 > From: Larry Oberman <68cuda440@...> > Subject: Christmas layout > Larry, I love the "slide show" on your layout. Especially the black and whites mixed in. Boy, does that bring back some memories! I can remember the feeling of joy and excitement when my brother and I went to the basement Christmas Day, '55. My dad and 1 buddy had spent the afternoon and night setting up a layout that, at that age, was humongous. My only regret is that I can't locate the slides or photos of it. Thank you for sharing these with us. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29090	From: Hall G	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Miniature Christmas lights

I bought a bunch of LED Christmas lights in the clearance after holiday sales. I cut the LED light strings into 5 bulbs each so wired in series and wired in a 330 ohm resistor. The key is to keep your current flow through the LED Christmas lights to under 20ma you might borrow or rent a quality meter to experiment with. I also converted a couple of passenger sets using this method. I removed the bulbs that draw big amps from the passenger cars and taped the above mentioned lighting and reistor set to the ceiling of the cars with aluminum tape for better reflection. Gives the car some nice even lighting and works fine on AC power. Lighting stays roughly same brightness does not vary as much with voltage change as with regular bulbs. Using the LED lights cuts down on amps used so you could light houses with a tiny power supply. Also with fewer amps used by passenger train lighting can use smaller power packs or more trains off one pack. Try it out. If you use less bulbs then need more ohms to keep under 20ma 15-19ma is ideal As for regular bulbs to find voltage of bulbs look at packs you buy or count the bulbs in a string and divide into 120 volts input to find out the voltage of your bulbs thus if 35 bulbs 120/35=roughly 3.4 volt bulbs in your light string. So if you were to power it with a 12 volt power source just cut the string into 4 lights thus in series and they will run slightly cooler at 12 volts and a little dimmer as 4 bulbs at 3.4 = almost 14 volts. Happy christmas light chopping! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29091	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel

If I remember correctly, the MTH vs. Lionel suit was over a steam loco, an N&W 2-6-6-4 (like 1218). I get the impression that Mike from MTH got mad at Richard Kughn (I'm not sure that's spelled right) from Lionel over a PA1 that he was making for Lionel, so went his own way, and has been trying to do slam Lionel ever since. Before Lionel had got the competition from MTH and now other O gauge manufacturers, they seemed to be making the same mostly out of scale trains from postwar Lionel days, and charging outrageous prices for them, as if they were all collectors items, even brand new. And when they did make new items, they had the same out of proportion look. I can think of GP38's, SD28's, C40-8's, and 4-4-2's as examples. Now they really make some scale proportioned trains in addition to that same "rehashed" postwar stuff, although the prices still seem high, and I don't think they went down when producton was moved to China. Even though the new O gauge models from the all the manufacturers are close or very accurate to scale, I still can't stand those 3 rail diesel pilots that swivel with the trucks, no matter who makes them! Thankfully, no S gauge diesels are that way. While Lionel and MTH are both making old AF accessories, and Lionel the trains, I don't think the outcome of the suit will have much impact for S gaugers. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29092	From: G Nichol	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S-Friendly Website - updated

Hi there and Happy New Year! I just wanted to let you know that I've listed some more Flyer items on my site, www.NicksTrains.com, under the American Flyer category. Some items include: 980 B&O Boxcar 982 BAR Boxcar 983 MoPac Boxcar 343 NKP Switcher K325 Hudson SOLD Take a look at these and the others and let me know if you're interested. As always, I'm open to reasonable offers! I will also be listing more Flyer within the next week so check back now and then. Many thanks! Stay well! Greg Nicholas TCA, TTOS, LCCA http://NicksTrains.com Our motto: postwar in '04!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29093	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Critters

From another list: "I have found that the used dryer sheets from the clothes dryer, when hung under the layout keep the spiders away." -- Ted Larson If something I said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you annoyed or angry, I meant the other one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29094	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Article from Baltimore Sun on MTH vs Lionel

I found this in the Baltimore Sun archives about the lawsuit filed by MTH Lionel denied in effort to get suit dismissed A Columbia company's lawsuit against model train maker Lionel LLC over trade secrets can proceed, after a federal judge in Detroit issued an order Wednesday denying Lionel's motion to dismiss. The plaintiff, Mike's Train House Inc., claims that Lionel sold trains made from designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike's. The suit, filed in April 2000, seeks more than $29 million in compensatory damages, plus punitive damages and a permanent injunction against Lionel. Mike's Train House was founded in 1980 by Mike Wolf, who started the business assembling trains in the basement of his family's home.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29095	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail

I was wondering if anyone who has seen or owns a set of these cars could give me their opinion of them. I am toying with the idea of getting a set. I do not have a stocking dealer near so I would have to mail order them sight unseen. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29096	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Miniature Christmas lights

HI, I use four to five Miniature Christmas lights connected in series to light the plastic as well as home made buildings. I connect the series string to the variable post (7-15 volts) of my 1 1/2 B transformer. (50 watts) The town on my layout has 12 buildings (mimimum of 40 lights total) with three to 4 lights in each. Adjust the control to you get the amount of light you require. Mine is just few notches above zero. Cannot tell you how much current these circuits draw, but the transformer stays quite cool to the touch. Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29097	From: waldootten	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail

>> I was wondering if anyone who has seen or owns a set of these cars could give me their opinion of them.<< I have a set each of the Burlington and Santa Fe Budd cars. The Santa Fe cars are still NIB. The Burlington exterior details are awesome. I run High Rail, but the details should be enough to keep most scalers happy. They have spring trucks and roll very smoothly. The interiors are lighted and complete with coach seats, tables, lounge chairs, sorting bins in the mail car, etc. -- but no people. The observation car has a red LED to the rear. I like the way the trucks sound moving over rail joints -- sounds very real. They stay coupled -- haven't tried coupling and uncoupling in a yard yet, but couplers look solid. Overall, I'd say they are extremely well made. Plus, AM is running a closeout sale right now and some of these are on sale. Hope this helps. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29098	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Engine problem

I have a 290 American Flyer that ran great. It stopped on Saturday and I discovered that one of the wires from the tender was completely broken. I had a replacement wire set so I replaced it. Went I finished, it will only run in reverse. I checked everything and the wiring is correct according to all the diagrams I have. In forward mode, it is getting current. The motor will turn but only one partical turn. I do not want to burn the motor so what do I do next? Cliff Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29099	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Re: Engine problem

hello; you have 2 wires crossed up in the harness fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29100	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint

One of our club members mentioned in a clinic he held for painting he uses Duplicolor brand Acrylic Auto Enamel number BB320-Royal Blue Gloss as a close match for the Royal Blue engine. Michael >Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:56:22 -0700 > From: ruth.leahy@... >Subject: Royal Blue Paint > >Got one reply on a possible match for the blue paint on the #350 Royal Blue >engine & tender. Does anyone else have additional ideas, so I have some >options? > >Thanks! > >Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29101	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/9/2004
Subject: S Friendly store

Greetings... Just a moment to mention our local store that has lots of original AF and new FLIONEL(and some S scale) presently at least 100 pieces. Check out their ad in the back of CTT....Al Kielek Trains and Such Calgary Alberta Canada (403)277-7226 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29102	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2140

Bradly Anderson: Robert Conner is correct, pick up a architect scale, 3 sided has 6 scales, 2 sided has 4 scales etc. etc. 1/4 = 1:48 is O scale, 3/16 = 1:64 is S scale, 1/8 = 1:96 close to H.O. in this country most modelers use 1:72 for H.O. H.O. started in Europe as 35MM to the foot. and 3/8 =1:32 is no. 1 gauge. G scales use 22.5 to 1. There are several different scales needless to say. Christmas tree lights for lighting: A real good source for lights, most garage sales sell several strings for $1. They are available in 1.5 volt to 12 volt, Amperage is very low, they draw only a few mills. They have an internal shunt to allow the remainder of the lights to continue to burn (a little brighter) after one is burned out. Rule of thumb, Divide the number of lamps in the original string ( along one wire) into 120 to find out the voltage of the lamp. Multiply the lamp voltage, times voltage supplied by the transformer for the number of lamps for a string. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29103	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: S Friendly store

I added him to the S Friendly site. His website didn't mention any S so I took your word for it, of course. I did email him and advised him that he should include S on his website. Thanks for the lead. Roy > Greetings... > > Just a moment to mention our local store that has lots of original AF and new FLIONEL(and some S scale) presently at least 100 pieces. > Check out their ad in the back of CTT....Al Kielek > > Trains and Such > Calgary Alberta > Canada (403)277-7226 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29104	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: S friendly store(www.trainsandsuch.com)

Hi Gang.....just thought I better check out the web site myself and see whats up. Yes, they do show AF listed in the site,but,not an inventory. The site suggests that you call(403 277-7226) to see what AF is in stock. Talk to Jason(or Jim Scott) they are the most knowledgeable about what is in or will be in stock. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29105	From: Tim	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Greenberg Show

Hi, Did anyone on the list brave the cold weather and go to the Greenberg show in York, PA this Saturday (today)? If so, is it a worthwhile show to still attend on Sunday? Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29106	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone who has seen or owns a set of these cars could > give me their opinion of them. > > I am toying with the idea of getting a set. I do not have a stocking dealer > near so I would have to mail order them sight unseen. > > Mark I received a set for Christmas and they are beautiful. Easily the best mass produced passenger cars ever built in S gauge. Everything about them is a cut above anything else. The details on the shells, the interiors (correct for each type of car), the lighting, power pickup on the sprung trucks (they don't flicker one bit, even when passing over switches), the die cast frames with underbody detail, and lettering are all first rate and much better than either Gilbert or Lionel Flyer or any previous American Models rolling stock. The only knock on these cars is that they are a bit shorter than prototype--a concession to the body of S gaugers out their with AF radius track on their layouts. There has been talk of AM coming out with scale length cars (85', I believe), but they haven't been able to convince themselves that there was enough interest to do them. These are first rate. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29107	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Repainting Notes

One of our club members recently held a clinic on refinishing American Flyer at a club meeting. Walt Mumie is considered, in our club, a wizard at restoring old AF to good operating condition. In his clinic, he shared some hard-earned notes on using commercially available paints that would closely match original Flyer colors. I took his notes, added some of the tips I learned here on the S-List, and wrote an article for the Waybill (the South Jersey S Gauge club newsletter). The article is available in PDF format for anyone to download and print. Since the S-List files area is almost full - I posted it in another group file area that you should be able to access. - Click on the following link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Highlights/files/Walt%20Mumies%20Clinic%20Notes.pdf Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29108	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: GATS in Santa Barbara, CA.....

Well,...just got back from the GATS in S.B. CA,.....a little disappointing,....not much AF,...never really is, but the guy who usually has 'newer' S goodies wasn't there! My buddy, who is into HO, thought there were more venders last year also. But, the weather was great, popped by the beach for a little bit before we started the two hour drive home. I did get a couple of "Days Gone " vehicles by Lledo. This fella had a stash of them from the early 80's....been stored in a garage...I've never seen most of these,...and back then,...they came with little figures! I got a Model "A" school bus and a Model "A" news delivery truck. And I picked up one ARTTISTA figure, the mailman w/a dog on his pant leg. Anyway,..I was a litle bummed, last year I picked up a 22035 trannie that I really like at this show. Hope all is well in "S" land! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29109	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Re-Painting

While we are talking about replacement paints does anyone know of a good match for the yellow on the 717 log car? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29110	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 1/10/2004
Subject: Train shops around Sarasota, Fla?

Greetings, The wife and I are heading to Sarasota, Florida next weekend. From St. Louis, through Atlanta, then south. Any "Gotta See, Gotta Do" train shops or museums en route or at Sarasota/Tampa? I think there is one shop that claims to be "the largest train store in ----" in Tampa. She's already OK'd that one. Oh, sorry to disappoint, we are "cross-gaugers". :<) Thank you, Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29111	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Cow on Track

I set up a very nice two-train AF lay out for the holidays. Running a Union Pacific Diesel on one pike and either a 332 or 21099 loco on the other. I have numerous accessories, including a Talking Station, Cattle Car, Milk Car and the Cow on the Track. Most work fine, especially considering that they are all original pieces. Right now the Cow on the Track is giving me some fits. The cow will go on and off the track when I push the appropriate red and green buttons. However, it will not automatically shut off power to the section of track with the fiber pins and track trip. Any suggestions? Joe Fariello [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29112	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vrs Lionel

Hopefully The Big "L" Will Get The Massage. Need To Make Dem In Michagan. ----- Original Message ----- From: David A. Highfield To: S Trains Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH vrs Lionel The 1/9/04 Baltimore Sun says that a judge is allowing Mike's Train House, based on Columbia, Maryland, to proceed with a huge lawsuit ($29 million) against Lionel. MTH accuses L of stealing train plans from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike. I'm sure it's more complex than that, but this seems to be the essence. I wonder if this publicity and legal action will benefit or hurt our hobby? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29113	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Paint

I was asked to compile a list of suggestions you guys gave me for repainting the A.F. Royal Blue engines. It was mentioned several times that the 1948 wire handrails version is slightly different from the 1950 molded handrail version. Here are some of the suggestions: One of our club members mentioned in a clinic he held for painting he uses Duplicolor brand Acrylic Auto Enamel number BB320-Royal Blue Gloss as a close match for the Royal Blue engine. Plasticote royal blue #1134 works well for doing 350's The only as-is-from-the-container paint I've been able to find that matches the 1948 is Rustoleum #7723 (Navy). Be aware Rustoleum makes a "Royal Blue", but it is too light. Doug Peck sells a "Royal Blue" paint. He says the paint is OK, but a little on the dark side. He goes on to say it could be the original paint may have faded over the years. Krylon makes a paint which is an excellent match. (Note: no paint number was ever given!) Bob Bubeck mentioned that the 1948 version is lighter in color than the 1950 version. Doug Peck or Triple S in Pennsylvania has a Royal Blue paint for the 350. Scalecoat Paint is the same paint that A.C. Gilbert used. They have the B & O Royal Blue. Scalecoat is available at some hobby shops or thru Weaver Models. Look at www.weavermodels.com & click on scalecoat button. I have used Tamiya Acrylic Royal Blue paint right out of the bottle for an awesome RB rehab. I primed with flat black & then used some great matching spray from Doug Peck & she looks great. These are the responses I received from my request from the list. Hope this helps out. Thanks guys for your assistance! Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29114	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: (no subject)

I was asked to compile a list of suggestions you guys gave me for repainting the A.F. Royal Blue engines. It was mentioned several times that the 1948 wire handrails version is slightly different from the 1950 molded handrail version. Here are some of the suggestions: One of our club members mentioned in a clinic he held for painting he uses Duplicolor brand Acrylic Auto Enamel number BB320-Royal Blue Gloss as a close match for the Royal Blue engine. Plasticote royal blue #1134 works well for doing 350's The only as-is-from-the-container paint I've been able to find that matches the 1948 is Rustoleum #7723 (Navy). Be aware Rustoleum makes a "Royal Blue", but it is too light. Doug Peck sells a "Royal Blue" paint. He says the paint is OK, but a little on the dark side. He goes on to say it could be the original paint may have faded over the years. Krylon makes a paint which is an excellent match. (Note: no paint number was ever given!) Bob Bubeck mentioned that the 1948 version is lighter in color than the 1950 version. Doug Peck or Triple S in Pennsylvania has a Royal Blue paint for the 350. Scalecoat Paint is the same paint that A.C. Gilbert used. They have the B & O Royal Blue. Scalecoat is available at some hobby shops or thru Weaver Models. Look at www.weavermodels.com & click on scalecoat button. I have used Tamiya Acrylic Royal Blue paint right out of the bottle for an awesome RB rehab. I primed with flat black & then used some great matching spray from Doug Peck & she looks great. These are the responses I received from my request from the list. Hope this helps out. Thanks guys for your assistance! Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29115	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel

In a message dated 1/9/04 9:49:11 PM, amflyer@... writes: << While Lionel and MTH are both making old AF accessories, and Lionel the trains, I don't think the outcome of the suit will have much impact for S gaugers. Mike Vana >> Well, look at this way. Each side has already spent $1.8 million on this dispute. Given the size of both companies, this represents a significant slice of both money and mental energy towards completely unproductive effort. I'd rather have a portion of that money go towards another new S gauge engine, accessory, or action car than to legal fees. Like it or not, Flyonel represents a significant faction of the new S gauge trains and accessories made and sold, so the expense of this legal wrangling will have a negative effect. New S gauge can be one of the first things to forgo when funds are tight. It is noteworthy that the Three Toy Kings (Cowen, Gilbert, and Marx) managed to aggressively compete for nearly a half century, yet settle disputes quietly without resorting to the expenditure the time, energy, and expense of court proceedings. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29116	From: waldootten	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel -- hidden agenda?

One stray thought from an ascerbic, skeptical cynic regarding this ongoing litigation where MTH claims Lionel "stole' plans for some of its trains. No supporting facts, folks, just pure speculation: But consider this: MTH has been locking horns in the three-rail market with Lionel, the industry's 500-lb.gorilla, for years. Whether this lawsuit is successful or not, and apparently a court will decide, Mike's Train House could gain mucho "positive marketplace image" from claiming it had a product that was soooo good, The Big L was allegedly interested enough to "steal" it. In other words, our new techology is better than that of the industry's sales leader. Food for some thought, eh? Games, games, games. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29117	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: MTH vs. Lionel

This is not the first time that Lionel has tried to "GET" Mike! They tried to put him out of business when he was much younger,but his Korean manufacturer was koyal to Mike and refused Lionels business. What ever happened to values like that! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29118	From: waldootten	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: MTH vs. Lionel

>> This is not the first time that Lionel has tried to "GET" Mike!<< I think in this case, it's the other way around. Mike's trying to "get" Lionel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29119	From: stanley	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: hi shipping fees

Hi everyone i just wanted to post this message to everyone i bid and won a remote control uncoupler 706 on e bay for 0.99 and 3.00 packing fee which also what i belived to be shipping as well. I received an e mail from this seller informing me that the 3.00 is just the packing fee and that 6.40 was the shipping fee, the group should be aware of this person when bidding sadie137 THANKS STAN SOBIESKI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29121	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Re: hi shipping fees

Stan, & ALL, Always ask for a total before bidding. Mike S. PS: I'm almost back & running [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29122	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: 696 track trip

No one has mentioned that this track trip does not work well on curved track. For best results, put it on a straight section, cut away the roadbed, and have some extras ready in case of failure, which usually involves fatigue to the metal strip, though dirty contacts can also be a problem. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29123	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/11/2004
Subject: Thanks - American Models Budd 4 Car passenger Set Hi-Rail

Thanks to everyone who replied relative to the Budd passenger cars. Sounds like the consensus is that they are a great buy. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29124	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Hi shipping fees

Stan, after reading your post I looked at the seller's bid page for the uncoupler you won. You have no right to complain as the seller clearly stated the following in the bid: "Buyer pays only the actual UPS cost based on your ship-to address PLUS $3 packaging fee" Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29125	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Lionel Delivery Delays

Lionel has moved the delivery date for the 2-8-2s from March to July of 2004. This delay also applied to the B&O Passenger Car 2-pack. The Baldwin switchers previously had been delayed 2 month until February, along with the NYC Alco PB unit. The NYC caboose has been delayed until March. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29126	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Shipping fees

Having been burned on estimating shipping and insurance fees (asked for $10 00 shipping and $3.00 insurance-actual USPS fees were $12.35 + $3.20 on a non-train item-and the buyer wanted me to reduce what I asked by half), I have ordered a Royal rate calculating scale. I'll let the group know how this works out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29127	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays

In a message dated 01/12/2004 8:36:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: Lionel has moved the delivery date for the 2-8-2s from March to July of 2004. This delay also applied to the B&O Passenger Car 2-pack. Joe, I heard a nasty rumor that the 2-8-2s may not be made at all due to low order numbers. Anybody else hear any of this? Maybe the SHS 2-8-0 made too big a dent in the big "L." Too bad if true. There is surely room for both. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29128	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays

If Lionel isn't going to deliver the engine, then they made a big investment in the molds which they are going to have to walk away from. I think not. On the other hand when one starts getting above $500 plus for an engine, a lot of the market goes away since even retirees with kids out of college have to think about what they can afford. That also brings up the point of what are the average yearly ranges of budgets that S collectors/operators/etc can afford. For example A. Less than $500 - (e.g. kids still in school, builds upon stuff that he got when he was kid). B. $500 to $1000 - (kids out of school buys a few new cars and accessories) C. $1000 to $3000 - (Buys a couple of new engines, track, cars, etc. Picks up selected old AF on EBAY to fill out collection) D. $3000 to $5000 - Retired or very well to do and has money to spend on purchasing all new items that come out for S guage. E. $5000 and above - (True participants. Wife most likely involved in the hobby. Buys Brass S guage and has full layout or complete collection). I would think that the Lionel engine starts getting affordable for C thru E and the question for Lionel, S Helper and the rest is how big is that market. How many many people are there in the C thru E categories?. Since most S hobbiest are in the fifty and above/ retired/almost retired range, C thru E is increasing but not sure by how much and for how long. Anyway hopefully, there is enough of us C, D and Es with help from the Bs to ensure that both and SHS and Lionel sell enough of their steam engines. Regads, Joe Haughney From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:44 PM To: joestrainrepair@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Delivery Delays In a message dated 01/12/2004 8:36:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: Lionel has moved the delivery date for the 2-8-2s from March to July of 2004. This delay also applied to the B&O Passenger Car 2-pack. Joe, I heard a nasty rumor that the 2-8-2s may not be made at all due to low order numbers. Anybody else hear any of this? Maybe the SHS 2-8-0 made too big a dent in the big "L." Too bad if true. There is surely room for both. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29129	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Shipping Fees

I get really torqued at these guys who feel the need to make up for lower thn expected price or for extra profit. I don't have a problem with guys with legitimate businesses that buy packing materials etc. and need to make a little bit for some time to package an item. The ones that get me are the ones that re-use boxes and materials or free priority mail boxes from PO (which is illegal if not used for Priority Mail shipping) and charge you for packing materials. I also have learned to watch carefully the shipping costs on ebay. I have gotten in a hurry and bid on something I really wanted and didn't check the costs. I have gotten stuck a couple of times this way, but it was my fault as it was stated. I bought a 6" machinists level (this weighs <6 oz.) for $47 about a week ago where the auction listed buyer "pays shipping costs". These are normally actual costs from my experience, but the guy emailed me back with shipping charges of $18.40. I emailed him back and told him he was crazy and that I wasn't about to get ripped off for that amount and he could keep the level. I didn't much care about the negative feedback thing as I have large positive and could explain this. He emailed back that he had a problem with entering info in his shipping calculator and made the shipping cost < $6, which I though was a bit more reasonable ($3.85 priority and maybe a couple bucks for his time). Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29130	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Delivery Delays

In a message dated 1/12/2004 12:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, boss31@... writes: Joe, I heard a nasty rumor that the 2-8-2s may not be made at all due to low order numbers. Anybody else hear any of this? Maybe the SHS 2-8-0 made too big a dent in the big "L." Too bad if true. There is surely room for both. Steve Absolutely incorrect! The planned production for the Mikes was sold out through dealer orders as of the end of November. Hope this helps to clear things up. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29131	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Fwd: eBay Shipping Charges

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29132	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Trying again - eBay Charges

I have been watching all the posts regarding shipping charges. Over the last three years I have sold over 890 items. Only one of those was AF. I have never had the need to buy Styrofoam peanuts, boxes, labels, etc. I occasionally buy a roll of $1.00 clear packaging tape at Dollar General. The only exception and I do mean the only one, was when I sold a 100 pound slot machine. I had to purchase a container for shipping. It was shipped by air from St. Louis to New York. Still, the total shipping was less than $100. I utilize the free tape, labels and boxes from the USPS. I also save boxes for later use when I receive items. Newspaper makes a good packaging material. Plastic bags from grocery stores also make good packaging. So... I cannot agree with the sellers who charge such high amounts. They are in fact trying to rip people off. I just do not bid on those items. My listings always goes into detail about the shipping. Such as the item's unpacked weight, ship from Zip, actual 2 pound USPS rate from Zip 63366, etc. I try very hard to keep the shipping as low as possible. This equals actual shipping cost. John Conn (eBay- jconn444) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29133	From: TCS	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: new Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

818 Herzog ballast car http://mopac1.tripod.com/818.gif 819 UP Gunderson 60' boxcar http://mopac1.tripod.com/819.gif 820 FFF logo for steam engine tenders printed in white, red and black http://mopac1.tripod.com/820.gif 821 heralds for steam era water tanks, tanks painted black http://mopac1.tripod.com/821.gif 822 heralds for steam era water tanks, tanks painted black http://mopac1.tripod.com/822.gif 823 heralds for steam era water tanks, tanks painted black http://mopac1.tripod.com/823.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29134	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Trying again - eBay Charges MY 2 CENTS

ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29135	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: SHIPPING COSTS

Hi John & All. I too sell a bit on E-BAY & on line. I tried to use used boxes & news paper. The boxes the PO gives away, automatically incur at least $3.85 for POSTAGE & goes up. As you add that free paper the WT. goes up & the POSTAGE. I now buy my boxes & tape so I can ship first class for less. But as I leave BOX CITY with the different size boxes (MIN $.30 ea.) & the roll or two of bubble wrap it approaches $100.00 real fast. There is no really FREE packaging unless you get luck. The used box that might be a bit big for the item will cost you $.50 up along with the extra paper to pack it right. The reason I capitalized POSTAGE is that is the cost to just mail or shipping cost from FedEx or UPS.    POSTAGE is the cost of stamps.    SHIPPING is the cost of the box & the tape & the wrapping materials (This can also include packing & transport)     HANDLING is the total of all the above & the packing & transporting to the point of shipment.   I could be wrong on these and welcome better definitions.    Mike (always at the PO) Strickland ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29136	From: John G	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: Cow on Track

Joe, Here a a few things to check. First, make sure it is wired correctly. See link: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/cow.gif First, try to isolate where the problem is. Disconnect the wire from terminal 1(of the cow-on-track) to the isolated section of track. Try running your train. If it stops, the trouble is in the cow-on- track. If it runs, you have a track problem in that your isolated track section really isn't! Check the ends of the track where the insulated pins are. If they are touching, you don't have an isolated track. Also, check to see if any other accessories or track trips are providing an unintended path back to the base post. If the problem is in the cow, then check the operating mechanism which is fairly simple. When the cow is "on the track", it breaks the connection from terminal 3 (from the transformer base post) to terminal 1 which goes the isolated track section. It is possible that something got bent or out of alignment to mess it up. Also, when the cow is "on the track", a 10 ohm resistor in the cow-on- track provides enough voltage to prevent E units from reversing. A engine with a newer can motor could get enough power through this resistor to power right through the block. Hope this helps John Gasal -Right now the Cow on the Track is giving me some fits. The cow will go on and off the track when I push the appropriate red and green buttons. However, it will not automatically shut off power to the section of track with the fiber pins and track trip. > > Any suggestions? > > Joe Fariello > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29137	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS

I work at a car dealer and get used boxes from the parts dept. that are going to be thrown out or from parts I install.I get peanuts from an electrical repair man that get parts shipped to him and from a motor cycle shop.They are glad I take them saves them from cost to get rid of.Look for places you by from around your home that will save this stuff for you.You will have to by tape but I found a place to get packing tape for less than a $1.00 a roll when you buy 6. Bob anormal1@... wrote:Hi John & All. I too sell a bit on E-BAY & on line. I tried to use used boxes & news paper. The boxes the PO gives away, automatically incur at least $3.85 for POSTAGE & goes up. As you add that free paper the WT. goes up & the POSTAGE. I now buy my boxes & tape so I can ship first class for less. But as I leave BOX CITY with the different size boxes (MIN $.30 ea.) & the roll or two of bubble wrap it approaches $100.00 real fast. There is no really FREE packaging unless you get luck. The used box that might be a bit big for the item will cost you $.50 up along with the extra paper to pack it right. The reason I capitalized POSTAGE is that is the cost to just mail or shipping cost from FedEx or UPS. POSTAGE is the cost of stamps. SHIPPING is the cost of the box & the tape & the wrapping materials (This can also include packing & transport) HANDLING is the total of all the above & the packing & transporting to the point of shipment. I could be wrong on these and welcome better definitions. Mike (always at the PO) Strickland ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS

Bob, This is fine if you are there when things get thrown away or are saved for you. But that also takes time & gas , etc. The use of a box that is just a 1 inch to big in all directions can cost you $1.00 more in POSTAGE costs, due to weight. That little bit can push you into another rate. Plus the extra packing too. I can sometimes ship the same item & put a few more peanuts in one box & it costs me $.60 more. I have had items that were the same ship for $2.60 & another same item in a little larger box throw me into the $3.85 Priority rate. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29139	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Catalogue Madness

My wife, who measures her catalogue intake in pounds, yesterday got one from The Trademark Collection http://www.tmcollection.com that has a bundle of S and potential S vehicles and structures. Most of the vehicles might be available at bit better price through Die-Cast Direct or one of the other die-cast purveyors. Here is a brief summary on a page-by-page perspective rather than category-organization: Page 6, Department 56 Hard Rock Cafe Page 10, Reese's Pieces Box Van Page 11, McDonald's Restaurant supposedly designed to match up with an O McDonald's train set on Page 10. Train set has no mention of origin/manufacturer. Page 16, Department 56 Krispy Kreme Donut Shop Page 21, Citgo Fuel Tanker Page 23, Deer Creek Farms Semi with adjunct farm tractor and trailer w/load. Insert, Gulf Peterbilt Box Van. Page 27, Department 56 Harley-Davidson City Dealership Page 32, Department 56 Coca-Cola Fizz Factory Page 36, Happy Memories Village McDonald's, Woolworth's, and Sinclair Service Sta. Page 37, Hershey's Kisses Semi. Page 43, Coca-Cola semi. Page 45, USPS semi and Shell semi. The die-cast vehicles are fairly well known and common anymore. The Department 56 buildings might fit into a tin-plate/Flyer layout. However, I feel the structure with the most potential for inclusion at a close-scale level might be the McDonald's on Page 11. At $79.95 and lighted, this is a bargain and may be under-sized for O. Can't be sure without an up-close-and-personal inspection. Base looks removable to "skinny down" the height. Also, the style is from the 50's with 15-cent hamburgers, not contemporary style. Feedback from anyone who buys one of these would be of interest to a lot of 50's/60's layout anachronists. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29140	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS

I sent off one item that I had sold on eBay, and I tried to save the fella some money by shipping it 1st class instead of priority mail,.....I saved him a WHOLE nickle!! Sometimes it works and sometimes not! I've used parcel post and saved the buyer some money at times also. Seems it also depends on where the package is going. And boy,...it is a pain to find boxes that fit the need at times!! I know some make their own boxes cut down from bigger boxes. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29141	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC : Barred Owl Watch List

If you do not share my interest in the Barred Owls that nest in my yard, please delete this message. If you are unaware of the owls see. 1998 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl.htm 2001 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl_2001.html 2002 http://66.246.35.207/%7Epyorke/wasgate/owl/2002_season.html 2003 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl/2003_season.html 2004 http://66.246.35.207/%7Epyorke/albums/albun58 If you want to keep up with the 2004 season, join the group, it will be a low trafic list. I am the only poster. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/owl_watch/ ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29142	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC : Barred Owl Watch List

What a great job taking care of the owls Paul. They are beautiful!! You are to be commended. Please don't fall off the ladder,John. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > If you do not share my interest in the Barred Owls > that nest in my yard, please delete this message. > > If you are unaware of the owls see. > 1998 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl.htm > 2001 > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl_2001.html > 2002 > http://66.246.35.207/%7Epyorke/wasgate/owl/2002_season.html > 2003 > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/wasgate/owl/2003_season.html > 2004 http://66.246.35.207/%7Epyorke/albums/albun58 > > If you want to keep up with the 2004 season, join the > group, it will be a low trafic list. I am the only > poster. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/owl_watch/ > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29143	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Ore Cars

The December 2003 Mainline Modeler has a lengthy article on Minnesota iron ore cars, including info on what railroads bought them second hand. -- Ted Larson If something I said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you annoyed or angry, I meant the other one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29144	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHIPPING COSTS

Bob, All I tried to do was maybe set an understanding of the terms used. There seems to be a lot of confusion about Shipping. Postage, & Handling. I've been hit before for my views & understand the Ignorance (Much to strong a word to most but it applies) to what it takes to ship an item. Someone that only ships say 30 items a year might go looking for used boxes, but again the over size box costs more in the end. Free boxes are oonly free if they are the EXACT fit. Mike PS: If my use of the word ignorant offends PLEASE contact me off list &I'll take the flack for it ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29145	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Blinker update

Greetings, awhile back I querried the group about how to operate two blinkers on two seperate loops of track, each loop powered by its own transformer, and have each train activate the blinker. The suggestion was to phase the transformers and and set up the "trips" on each track according to the "handbook" directions. Following Chris' link on phasing the blinkers are now operating well! My thanks to all for the help! This system does reqire a large number of trips ... if any one has some extras please let me know. Another question for the "group" ... is it possible to set up the semaphore and activate the the arm with a control button, in a fashion similar to an action car? There are no "block" sections on our temporary layout but the grandchildren do enjoy pushing buttons and having "things" happen. My thanks for your thoughts and best wishes to all! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29146	From: waldootten	Date: 1/13/2004
Subject: Wheel trade

I have about 30 to 40 SHS 40 foot boxcars that came with high rail wheels installed and additional in each package were scale wheelsets, which I will not be using. Any of you scalers out there interested in a straight-up trade -- my scale wheels for the SHS high rail wheelsets you may not be using? Contact me off-line. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29147	From: Roger Young	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Fwd: [toytrains] Looking for a model train set to video tape

--- usacatherine12 <usacatherine12@...> wrote: > To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com > From: "usacatherine12" <usacatherine12@...> > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:53:43 -0000 > Subject: [toytrains] Looking for a model train set > to video tape > > Hello! I do direct response tv commercials. I work > in Ventura County, > California and would like to know if anyone out > there has a train set > set-up that I can come and video tape for my > commercial. Please call > me at the number below if you are interested. This > is a paying job. > > Thank You! > > Catherine Jones > Tony Hoffman Productions, Inc. > 1290 Rancho Conejo Blvd > Newbury Park, CA 91320 > 805-375-1605 ext. 1174 > 805-375-1606 Fax > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association > [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > toytrains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29148	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update

Have you heard of the Z-Stuff for trains product line. On our club modules I operate crossbuck flashers on our 2 track mainline with Z-Stuff infra red detectors DZ1011. These are a bit out of scale but the performance is excellent. The problem we encountered with conventional methods was the difficulty of setting up long blocks across module boundaries. With infrared detection the only requirement is to provide a detector on an adjacent module and connect it to the flashers. The whole crossing detector and flasher installation can be run on an independent transformer and has no interaction with track power. See the Z-Stuff stuff at the URL http://www.z-stuff.net/products.htm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie and Edith" <charlieandedith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Blinker update > Greetings, awhile back I querried the group about how to operate two blinkers on two seperate loops of track, each loop powered by its own transformer, and have each train activate the blinker. The suggestion was to phase the transformers and and set up the "trips" on each track according to the "handbook" directions. Following Chris' link on phasing the blinkers are now operating well! My thanks to all for the help! This system does reqire a large number of trips ... if any one has some extras please let me know. Another question for the "group" ... is it possible to set up the semaphore and activate the the arm with a control button, in a fashion similar to an action car? There are no "block" sections on our temporary layout but the grandchildren do enjoy pushing buttons and having "things" happen. My thanks for your thoughts and best wishes to all! Charlie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29149	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Scratch building question

How do you make the corrugated ends and replicate the pressed metal roofs of cars for scratch building? Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29150	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 761 semaphore

You can operate an AF semaphore with two buttons. Uncoupler buttons or doorbell buttons are good. One is wired between fixed voltage post and red wire; other between fixed voltage post and green wire. Black to base post, yellow to fixed voltage. Late Flyer semaphores were supplied with a two button controller instead of track trips. Better yet, you can control the semaphore with one side of an AF switch controller, if you happen to have a spare one. Just connect the like colors of the wires together -- black to black, red to red, yellow to yellow, green to green. Connect the black wire from the controller to the base post and the yellow to the fixed voltage post. Wrap each connection with electrical tape. Just make sure that the semaphore mechanism, which involves the black, red, and green wires, only receives power when you push the buttons or throw the lever on the switch controller. If the semaphore coils get a constant supply of electricity, they will quickly overheat and burn out. The bulb circuit, which involves the black and yellow wires, should receive a constant supply of electricity to light the bulb. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29151	From: waldootten	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update

I looked at the website and they don't list heights or sizes for anything, just to say they're "in scale." What scale? S? O? HO? Are they a little too big for S or a little too small? How tall (inches) are the crossbucks? Otherwise, they look good. Thanks, Phil K ____________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: > Have you heard of the Z-Stuff for trains product line. On our club modules > I operate crossbuck flashers on our 2 track mainline with Z-Stuff infra red > detectors DZ1011. These are a bit out of scale but the performance is > excellent. The problem we encountered with conventional methods was the > difficulty of setting up long blocks across module boundaries. With > infrared detection the only requirement is to provide a detector on an > adjacent module and connect it to the flashers. The whole crossing detector > and flasher installation can be run on an independent transformer and has no > interaction with track power. > > See the Z-Stuff stuff at the URL http://www.z- stuff.net/products.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29152	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff

Where to you get Z-stuff? I've been very interested in their products also, including the sound module for a water tower. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29153	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff

I think I ordered them from the web site. The Z is for Zander, who it turns out lives in the town next to mine. When I had a problem I dropped off a detector at his house on the way to work and picked it up fixed a day later. Pretty good customer service. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Z-stuff > Where to you get Z-stuff? I've been very interested in their > products also, including the sound module for a water tower. > Dwight > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29154	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 18 B question

I took the cover off my 18 B transformer and noticed a black residue on the windings where the throttle contacts them to adjust speed. What is this? Is this normal? Should it be cleaned and if so, with what? Thanks in advance,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29155	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question

This black residue is graphite dust from the rollers. Wipe it off with a very clean, very soft rag. No matter what anyone tells you, do not apply any chemical agent or foreign substance whatsoever to the rag or the transformer windings. For more information on turret transformers, see my three part series on them in the Roundhouse column of S Gaugian magizine in the May/June, July/August, and September/.October 2003 issues. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29156	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff

I was sent a Z-stuff item for review and testing by S Gaugian magazine last year. Unfortunately, I have not been able to test it yet, which I fell very bad about. It appears to be a brilliant and imaginative piece of work. I would pay a lot of attention to this company's products. It is a station announcement system that puts the talking stations to shame. It optically recognizes up to 16 different trains, stops each train at the station, makes the correct announcement, and starts the train again. There are prerecorded announcements, or you can record your own. It works by attaching a bar code to the bottom of each train. Bar codes and little bar code detectors that go under the track are included. It is not an HO accessory. It was made for Lionel and AF trains. It appears to be light years ahead of its time. Based on this sample, which I have not actually run or tested yet, the rest of his stuff must be pretty good. The crossing gates and flashers are MUCH closer to S size than any Gilbert equivalents, and much more realistic too. I have seen them at shows and they look great with S trains. The instructions are for three rail (I apologize, Duck) but can easily be converted to two rail use. Their product line also includes several other very useful electronic devices and accessories. The box has the following addresses on it: drzander@... Z-stuff.net I hope they are not out of date. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29157	From: Irving washington	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question

Isn't the roller actually carbon? Irv >From: jarcho@... >To: >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 18 B question >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:16:32 -0500 > >This black residue is graphite dust from the rollers. Wipe it off with a >very clean, very soft rag. > >No matter what anyone tells you, do not apply any chemical agent or foreign >substance whatsoever to the rag or the transformer windings. > >For more information on turret transformers, see my three part series on >them in the Roundhouse column of S Gaugian magizine in the May/June, >July/August, and September/.October 2003 issues. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software � optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29158	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question

Hi Irv: Graphite is a form of carbon (as Tom said, graphite dust comes from the rollers - which as you say, is carbon).. Rance Velapoldi Irving washington wrote: >Isn't the roller actually carbon? Irv > > > > >>From: jarcho@... >>To: >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 18 B question >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:16:32 -0500 >> >>This black residue is graphite dust from the rollers. Wipe it off with a >>very clean, very soft rag. >> >>No matter what anyone tells you, do not apply any chemical agent or foreign >>substance whatsoever to the rag or the transformer windings. >> >>For more information on turret transformers, see my three part series on >>them in the Roundhouse column of S Gaugian magizine in the May/June, >>July/August, and September/.October 2003 issues. >> >>Tom Jarcho >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >>s-trains-unsubscribe@... >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software -- optimizes dial-up to the max! > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29159	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Scratch building question

>How do you make the corrugated ends and replicate the pressed metal roofs >of cars for scratch building? > >Bigfoot Most modelers buy these parts, and modify them if necessary. They are not expensive. These parts for freight cars are available in S. You will get much more and better information on this topic from the S scale list. Paul Yorke can tell you how to join. For some reason, they feud much more than we do, if you can believe it, but you can just ignore that stuff. Most of the members of THIS list concentrate on American Flyer and ready to run rolling stock, though we have some talented scratch builders too. Before the remarkable S gauge product flow of the last few years from SHS, AM, Lionel Limited Liability, etc, S Gauge was known as the builder's gauge, since we mostly had to make our own rolling stock. Also, the 3/16 scale is a lot easier to work with than HO in terms of measurements. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29160	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff

Hey I like the looks of their WigWag Signal Set. I, being young, actually saw one installed in Elgin IL before it was removed many years ago. I'm sure there are those on the list that saw one at every street. Neat stuff. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29161	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Blinker update

In case others are interested; this is the message I received from Chuck: They are taller than you'd like, about 2 1/16". In fact, they'd look better if they had a mast between the base and signal head. They have a screw on cover but I never tried taking one apart to see what modifications could be made. The IR emitter and detector are located at the top of the base. The signal head comes in handy because you can check the function by holding your hand in front of the IR and looking for the change from green to red. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." On 1/14/04 12:49 PM, "waldootten" <waldootten@...> wrote: > I looked at the website and they don't list heights or sizes for > anything, just to say they're "in scale." What scale? S? O? HO? Are > they a little too big for S or a little too small? How tall (inches) > are the crossbucks? Otherwise, they look good. > > Thanks, > > Phil K > > ____________________________________________________________ > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: >> Have you heard of the Z-Stuff for trains product line. On our > club modules >> I operate crossbuck flashers on our 2 track mainline with Z-Stuff > infra red >> detectors DZ1011. These are a bit out of scale but the > performance is >> excellent. The problem we encountered with conventional methods > was the >> difficulty of setting up long blocks across module boundaries. > With >> infrared detection the only requirement is to provide a detector > on an >> adjacent module and connect it to the flashers. The whole > crossing detector >> and flasher installation can be run on an independent transformer > and has no >> interaction with track power. >> >> See the Z-Stuff stuff at the URL http://www.z- > stuff.net/products.htm > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29162	From: roy inman	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff

on 1/14/04 8:01 PM, Michael Lueck at pianoman@... wrote: > Hey I like the looks of their WigWag Signal Set I called Z stuff and asked about an S scale Wig Wag. They said that the bases of the O scale units could be cut off just a little, and that then the height would be just about right for S. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29163	From: Dan	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Wig-wag page

If you like wig-wag signals, you gotta check out Dan's Wig-Wag Page at http://www.trainweb.org/dansrailpix/WIG_WAG_PAGE1c.htm He has photos of virtually every wig-wag still in operation. Turns out there are an astonishing 38 of them in Wisconsin alone, not to mention other states. Definitely a cool website. Dan B. (no, not the same Dan who does the wig-wag site!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Z-stuff > Hey I like the looks of their WigWag Signal Set. I, being young, actually saw > one installed in Elgin IL before it was removed many years ago. I'm sure there > are those on the list that saw one at every street. > > Neat stuff. > > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29164	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff AD PLUG PLUG

We carry Z stuff-- Our S and O customers like it. Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX 210-655-4665 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Z-stuff > Where to you get Z-stuff? I've been very interested in their > products also, including the sound module for a water tower. > Dwight > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29165	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: 761 Semaphore

Tom, thank you for the directions! I started instellation and found, in the unpacking, that there is also a white wire in addition to the red, green, yellow and black wires you mention. What do I do with the white wire? Using the uncoupler buttons ... are these both pushed at the same time to activate the semaphore arm? A question on phasing transformers, do the base posts remain connected after "phasing" is complete? I assume they do as all seems to be working well ... Just want to be sure I read the directions correctly. Again, thanks for your help and information. Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29166	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/14/2004
Subject: Z-stuff

Hi all, I have been to the Z-stuff web site and it is really neat. Has anyone tried the dz-1260 water tower animator with the venerable AF596 water tank? It would make this item more of a crowd pleaser than the rather passive original tank without physically changing it. Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29167	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Long Trucks

My #652 and #654 pullman coaches with long trucks / link couplers often de-rail when turning through a switch. All seem to remain on the track (original AF) when running straight through a turn-out. Is this a normal situation? Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29168	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Lanes Trains Custom Painting is open for Business (:->)

Hi All, We are already in the third week of the New Year. Lanes Trains was opened for business full time at 4:01 PM on 1-2-04 when I quit my job. My first job was decaling and applying Dullcoat on 30 O Scale PRR H21a hoppers for Rich Yoder Models. http://www.richyodermodels.com The job was completed 10 days later. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/O_Scale_H21a.jpg I don't know how to make a website, but I put something together here. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Lanes_Trains.doc Hopefully you all have Word to open it. I currently have openings in 2 weeks so I can turn your piece right around for you. This is paying the bills right now, so I can't procrastinate here! Please reply to billlane@... with what you want done. Important info to include is what scale, and if you already have the decals or dry transfers, or even if they are available. Do you want weathering? If it is not a PRR piece, a photo would be nice to have for quoting. If it is a locomotive, do you want DCC and sound? Include any other info that you feel is important to you in getting the model finished exactly as you want. Thank You, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: long trucks

The long truck pullmans never ran acceptably through switches, even when they were new. Gilbert had to drastically change the design of the trucks almost immediately. That is why the long ones are so rare. In the intervening years, the acetate plastic of the floors will have warped and shrunk badly, making a bad problem much worse. They are generally regarded as shelf potatoes, though there may be some exceptions I am not aware of. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29170	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: AF #48964 NYC Baggage Car

If anybody missed out on this Baggage car, I just received mine from Grzyboski Trains in Scranton, PA at a very good price $42.95 plus Shipping). I believe he has more. jackotarins

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29171	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B question

Thanks to Tom, Steve and all for the help with this question,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Velapoldis <velapoldi@n...> wrote: > Hi Irv: > Graphite is a form of carbon (as Tom said, graphite dust comes from the > rollers - which as you say, is carbon).. > Rance Velapoldi > > Irving washington wrote: > > >Isn't the roller actually carbon? Irv > > > > > > > > > >>From: jarcho@r... > >>To: >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 18 B question > >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:16:32 -0500 > >> > >>This black residue is graphite dust from the rollers. Wipe it off with a > >>very clean, very soft rag. > >> > >>No matter what anyone tells you, do not apply any chemical agent or foreign > >>substance whatsoever to the rag or the transformer windings. > >> > >>For more information on turret transformers, see my three part series on > >>them in the Roundhouse column of S Gaugian magizine in the May/June, > >>July/August, and September/.October 2003 issues. > >> > >>Tom Jarcho > >> > >> > >> > >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >>s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >>To visit your group on the web, go to: > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >> > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software -- optimizes dial-up to the max! > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29172	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff

Is there a link to the z-stuff web site? Thanks,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > Hi all, > I have been to the Z-stuff web site and it is really neat. Has anyone > tried the dz-1260 water tower animator with the venerable AF596 water > tank? It would make this item more of a crowd pleaser than the rather > passive original tank without physically changing it. > Alex > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29173	From: steve	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: A decision to paint.

I posted a message on here a while back on weather or not to do touch up's on rare peices, I got mixed views, and the jury is still out. However, having gone through the entire collection that Iv'e inherited, I find that I have 2 full sets of new-haven 497's. I have decided that one of these sets is in such bad cosmetic shape that i'm going to touch it up. The real problem is not the engine itelf, it's the silver passenger cars, 960, 961 and 963.(I don't have a 962, I think I read somewhere that this version of the set didn't come with it, it's the orange stripe version 1957) The question is: Where do I get paint to match the original? The cars are kinda shiney, Is there paint that will match this color? I have an art background and own a couple of nice airbrshes, is there paint that I could use in those that would match? Feel free to respond to any and all of the questions posed in this. if you still have further comments on the "to paint or not to paint" issue feel free to give that too. thanks again, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29174	From: John A Foley	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: TCA Convention

Hi Folks The NASG and the Altoona Area Train Collectors Club will be working together in promoting S Gauge at the TCA's National Convention in Pittsburgh this June. http://www.joelkruman.com/tca2004/convhome.htm The Altoona club will have their large S gauge layout setup in the public Display Area on June 25th & 26th with the NASG having Display tables with literature and new S items for folks to see. Manufacturers if you can't make it their Please send me your literature and if you have an item for display you can send that also. It will be returned. Send to. NASG Promotions C/O John Foley 164 W. Railroad St. Pottsville. Pa. 17901 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29175	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: A decision to paint.

I just tried some Testor's silver on a signal and it's really shiny, almost like chrome. It's in a tiny bottle for brushing but I think it's the same basic formulation as the aerosol can. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A decision to paint. > I posted a message on here a while back on weather or not to do touch > up's on rare peices, I got mixed views, and the jury is still out. > However, having gone through the entire collection that Iv'e > inherited, I find that I have 2 full sets of new-haven 497's. > I have decided that one of these sets is in such bad cosmetic shape > that i'm going to touch it up. > The real problem is not the engine itelf, it's the silver passenger > cars, 960, 961 and 963.(I don't have a 962, I think I read somewhere > that this version of the set didn't come with it, it's the orange > stripe version 1957) > > The question is: > Where do I get paint to match the original? > The cars are kinda shiney, Is there paint that will match this color? > I have an art background and own a couple of nice airbrshes, is there > paint that I could use in those that would match? > > Feel free to respond to any and all of the questions posed in this. > if you still have further comments on the "to paint or not to paint" > issue feel free to give that too. > > thanks again, > Steve > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29176	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/15/2004
Subject: Re: Z-stuff

Link to Z-Stuff is http://www.z-stuff.net/products.htm There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Z-stuff > Is there a link to the z-stuff web site? Thanks,John B. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been to the Z-stuff web site and it is really neat. Has > anyone > > tried the dz-1260 water tower animator with the venerable AF596 > water > > tank? It would make this item more of a crowd pleaser than the > rather > > passive original tank without physically changing it. > > Alex > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29177	From: wayned10@comcast.net	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: talking station

I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to make the new one play using a control panel switch rather than the microphone switch. thanks. > There are 10 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Long Trucks > From: seekr2@... > 2. Lanes Trains Custom Painting is open for Business (:->) > From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> > 3. long trucks > From: jarcho@... > 4. AF #48964 NYC Baggage Car > From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> > 5. Re: 18 B question > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > 6. Re: Z-stuff > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > 7. A decision to paint. > From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> > 8. TCA Convention > From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> > 9. Re: A decision to paint. > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> > 10. Re: Re: Z-stuff > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:11:20 +0000 > From: seekr2@... > Subject: Long Trucks > > My #652 and #654 pullman coaches with long trucks / link couplers often de-rail > when turning through a switch. All seem to remain on the track (original AF) > when running straight through a turn-out. Is this a normal situation? > > Peg > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:44:06 -0500 > From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> > Subject: Lanes Trains Custom Painting is open for Business (:->) > > Hi All, > > We are already in the third week of the New Year. Lanes Trains was opened > for business full time at 4:01 PM on 1-2-04 when I quit my job. My first job > was decaling and applying Dullcoat on 30 O Scale PRR H21a hoppers for Rich > Yoder Models. http://www.richyodermodels.com The job was completed 10 days > later. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/O_Scale_H21a.jpg > > I don't know how to make a website, but I put something together here. > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Lanes_Trains.doc Hopefully you all > have Word to open it. > > I currently have openings in 2 weeks so I can turn your piece right around > for you. This is paying the bills right now, so I can't procrastinate here! > > Please reply to billlane@... with what you want done. Important info > to include is what scale, and if you already have the decals or dry > transfers, or even if they are available. Do you want weathering? If it is > not a PRR piece, a photo would be nice to have for quoting. If it is a > locomotive, do you want DCC and sound? Include any other info that you feel > is important to you in getting the model finished exactly as you want. > > Thank You, > Bill > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:04:56 -0500 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: long trucks > > The long truck pullmans never ran acceptably through switches, even when > they were new. Gilbert had to drastically change the design of the trucks > almost immediately. That is why the long ones are so rare. In the > intervening years, the acetate plastic of the floors will have warped and > shrunk badly, making a bad problem much worse. > > They are generally regarded as shelf potatoes, though there may be some > exceptions I am not aware of. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:57:50 -0000 > From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> > Subject: AF #48964 NYC Baggage Car > > If anybody missed out on this Baggage car, I just received mine from > Grzyboski Trains in Scranton, PA at a very good price $42.95 plus > Shipping). I believe he has more. jackotarins > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:50:23 -0000 > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > Subject: Re: 18 B question > > Thanks to Tom, Steve and all for the help with this question,John B. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Velapoldis <velapoldi@n...> > wrote: > > Hi Irv: > > Graphite is a form of carbon (as Tom said, graphite dust comes from > the > > rollers - which as you say, is carbon).. > > Rance Velapoldi > > > > Irving washington wrote: > > > > >Isn't the roller actually carbon? Irv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: jarcho@r... > > >>To: >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 18 B question > > >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:16:32 -0500 > > >> > > >>This black residue is graphite dust from the rollers. Wipe it > off with a > > >>very clean, very soft rag. > > >> > > >>No matter what anyone tells you, do not apply any chemical agent > or foreign > > >>substance whatsoever to the rag or the transformer windings. > > >> > > >>For more information on turret transformers, see my three part > series on > > >>them in the Roundhouse column of S Gaugian magizine in the > May/June, > > >>July/August, and September/.October 2003 issues. > > >> > > >>Tom Jarcho > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > >> > > >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > >>s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > >> > > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > > >> > > >>To visit your group on the web, go to: > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > >> > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >> > > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software -- optimizes dial-up > to the max! > > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- > unsubscribe@Y... > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:01:06 -0000 > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > Subject: Re: Z-stuff > > Is there a link to the z-stuff web site? Thanks,John B. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been to the Z-stuff web site and it is really neat. Has > anyone > > tried the dz-1260 water tower animator with the venerable AF596 > water > > tank? It would make this item more of a crowd pleaser than the > rather > > passive original tank without physically changing it. > > Alex > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:15:12 -0000 > From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> > Subject: A decision to paint. > > I posted a message on here a while back on weather or not to do touch > up's on rare peices, I got mixed views, and the jury is still out. > However, having gone through the entire collection that Iv'e > inherited, I find that I have 2 full sets of new-haven 497's. > I have decided that one of these sets is in such bad cosmetic shape > that i'm going to touch it up. > The real problem is not the engine itelf, it's the silver passenger > cars, 960, 961 and 963.(I don't have a 962, I think I read somewhere > that this version of the set didn't come with it, it's the orange > stripe version 1957) > > The question is: > Where do I get paint to match the original? > The cars are kinda shiney, Is there paint that will match this color? > I have an art background and own a couple of nice airbrshes, is there > paint that I could use in those that would match? > > Feel free to respond to any and all of the questions posed in this. > if you still have further comments on the "to paint or not to paint" > issue feel free to give that too. > > thanks again, > Steve > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:45:05 -0500 > From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> > Subject: TCA Convention > > Hi Folks > > The NASG and the Altoona Area Train Collectors Club will be working together > in promoting S Gauge at the TCA's National Convention in Pittsburgh this June. > http://www.joelkruman.com/tca2004/convhome.htm The Altoona club will have > their large S gauge layout setup in the public Display Area on June 25th & 26th > with the NASG having Display tables with literature and new S items for > folks to > see. > > Manufacturers if you can't make it their Please send me your literature and > if you have > an item for display you can send that also. It will be returned. > Send to. > NASG Promotions > C/O John Foley > 164 W. Railroad St. > Pottsville. Pa. 17901 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:46:38 -0500 > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> > Subject: Re: A decision to paint. > > I just tried some Testor's silver on a signal and it's really shiny, almost > like chrome. It's in a tiny bottle for brushing but I think it's the same > basic formulation as the aerosol can. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] A decision to paint. > > > > I posted a message on here a while back on weather or not to do touch > > up's on rare peices, I got mixed views, and the jury is still out. > > However, having gone through the entire collection that Iv'e > > inherited, I find that I have 2 full sets of new-haven 497's. > > I have decided that one of these sets is in such bad cosmetic shape > > that i'm going to touch it up. > > The real problem is not the engine itelf, it's the silver passenger > > cars, 960, 961 and 963.(I don't have a 962, I think I read somewhere > > that this version of the set didn't come with it, it's the orange > > stripe version 1957) > > > > The question is: > > Where do I get paint to match the original? > > The cars are kinda shiney, Is there paint that will match this color? > > I have an art background and own a couple of nice airbrshes, is there > > paint that I could use in those that would match? > > > > Feel free to respond to any and all of the questions posed in this. > > if you still have further comments on the "to paint or not to paint" > > issue feel free to give that too. > > > > thanks again, > > Steve > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:49:00 -0500 > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Z-stuff > > Link to Z-Stuff is http://www.z-stuff.net/products.htm > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Z-stuff > > > > Is there a link to the z-stuff web site? Thanks,John B. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I have been to the Z-stuff web site and it is really neat. Has > > anyone > > > tried the dz-1260 water tower animator with the venerable AF596 > > water > > > tank? It would make this item more of a crowd pleaser than the > > rather > > > passive original tank without physically changing it. > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29178	From: Hall G	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: NMRA show Seattle 2004?

Was wondering whom might be planning to attend the NMRA show in Seattle 2004 in July? Or perhaps just getting some O scalers together that are attending?? And perhaps some folks be interested in getting together before or after to tour some O scale layouts a little ways away from the main tours this just getting together nothing formal? Drop me a note off list if you are going to PSX and interested in O scale! Gordon Hall gh3716@... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29179	From: Hall G	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: NMRA 2004 Seattle!

Just to correct that last post S scale!!! Meet in Seattle! Would anyone be interested in getting together for a S scale get together?? There are # of great tours on the tours list within Seattle itself!! GH __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29180	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Layout Wireing question

When operating two loops independently that are separated by remote switches, is it best to isolate both rails? What do you folks do? Thanks in advance for the help,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29181	From: keefer1	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: paint match

Anyone have a good match for UO grey (372 frame , PA body)? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29182	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [S-Trains] paint match

Side note....would this be the same grey that was used for the sideframes on the UP PA? gary On 1/16/04 11:43 AM, "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Anyone have a good match for UO grey (372 frame , PA > body)? Keith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29183	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: Layout Wireing question

I don't issolate the common / base post rail between the loops. But that style assumes you have a common / base post which is used by all transformers and the entire layout. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29184	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: CAIG ......... SOMEWHAT OF A BLANTANT AD

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29185	From: rebendever	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: New poll for ModelingGuide

Thank you in advance for participating in the below Poll. We have just spoken with our local Postmaster and he assures me that the USPS will work with us to make good on the folks who have yet to receive their December S/Sn3 modeling Guide V8I2 magazine. Please check the choice that fits your circumstances. Responding to this Poll in no way guarantees you a magazine. The purpose of this Poll is to help us give the USPS a better idea just how many V8I2's did arrive and how many did not arrive. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide USPS First Class after December 22, 2004 and I have received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide USPS First Class after December 22, 2004 and I have NOT received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide NOT USPS First Class after December 22, 2004 and I have received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide NOT USPS First Class after December 22, 2004 and I have NOT received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide USPS First Class BEFORE December 22, 2004 and I have received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide USPS First Class BEFORE December 22, 2004 and I have NOT received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide NOT USPS First Class BEFORE December 22, 2004 and I have received my subscription. o I am a USA subscriber and I subscribed to the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide NOT USPS First Class BEFORE December 22, 2004 and I have NOT received my subscription. o I am a NOT USA subscriber and I have received my subscription. o I am a NOT USA subscriber and I have NOT received my subscription. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/surveys?id=1242567 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29186	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: NMRA 2004 Seattle!

on 1/16/04 8:42 AM, Hall G at gh3716@... wrote: > Just to correct that last post S scale!!! Meet in > Seattle! > Would anyone be interested in getting together for a S > scale get together?? > There are # of great tours on the tours list within > Seattle itself!! If you want to attend an S scale/gauge meet in the Seattle area, why not attend the NASG first Regional Convention in Tacoma, WA July 10-14. It is listed under "events" on the NASG web site at www.nasg.org. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29187	From: waldootten	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: Layout Wiring question

> When operating two loops independently that are separated by remote > switches, is it best to isolate both rails? What do you folks do?<< Depends how many transformers you are using, John. I have five interconnected loops off three 30B (double) transformers. The base rails on each main are all connected together -- cuts down running wires. But I have insulated the variable voltage rail on each loop for better control. However, you must connect the base rail posts on all three (in this case) transformers AND phase them properly to avoid major problems. You can get info on how to phase your AF transformers at Doug Peck's website here: http://www.portlines.com Go to No. 3 and click on "Online Repair Clinics." The info, provided by our own Chris Zizzo, is under "Phasing Transformers." It's pretty easy to do. If you are using one single transformer or a double (like a 30B) for both loops, you don't need to do this. A single 30B is already phased internally. I don't use AF turnouts, but I think some or all of them can be set to send power to both lines coming off a single line OR to the one chosen by the turnout direction. But don't quote me there. I use AM turnouts and they are "hot" both ways all the time. Hope this helps. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29188	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29189	From: rtanson	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: puter crash

well my puter crashed and am now back up and running but have lost all my email addresses. respond off list if you and i have spoke in the past. thanks Bob Anson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29190	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [S-Trains] paint match

Hi Gary! I believe that it would be the same grey. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: {Spam?} [S-Trains] paint match > Side note....would this be the same grey that was used for the sideframes on > the UP PA? > > gary > > > On 1/16/04 11:43 AM, "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > Anyone have a good match for UO grey (372 frame , PA > > body)? Keith > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29191	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/16/2004
Subject: AF Crinkle paint finish

Greetings All! I have a question with respect to the crinkle finish found on ACG accessories, usually the green (which I cannot find a decent match for) and black. The million dollar question, How did they do it? Anyone have the answer about the process? Thanx Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29192	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF Crinkle paint finish

I haven't tried it yet myself, but I'm told you can do it carefully with an airbrush -- I think you have to open it up wide and cut down on the air so it "throws" paint spatters. Maybe someone with experience can elaborate. Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > Greetings All! I have a question with respect to the crinkle finish found on ACG accessories, usually the green (which I cannot find a decent match for) and black. The million dollar question, How did they do it? > Anyone have the answer about the process? Thanx Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29193	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2149

Crinkle finish used to be very common on electrical equipment. It had a greater film thickness than standard paint and was very hard, providing surface protection. The paint's surface skinned over quickly while the paint remained soft underneath. It shrank as it dried, and the surface skin shrinking over the soft layer underneath caused the crinkle. It had to be baked to dry the under layer. You can buy spray paint that gives a crinkle finish without the baking at many auto parts stores, but it is available in limited colors (only black and orange if I remember correctly and tends to give a coarser crinkle that the bake on finishes did. You could overcoat the crinkle paint with a regular paint that matches the ACG original to get the right color, but you would need to be sure that the solvents in the top coat don't soften the crinkle or its crinkle pattern will change, possibly becoming even coarser. > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:43:44 -0700 > From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> > Subject: AF Crinkle paint finish > > Greetings All! I have a question with respect to the crinkle finish found on ACG accessories, usually the green (which I cannot find a decent match for) and black. The million dollar question, How did they do it? > Anyone have the answer about the process? Thanx Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29194	From: thefireman2473	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

Does anyone have any issues running the 4-8-4 engines one gilbert switches? I have a couple and they all seem to jump the switches. The 4-6-2 pacifics seem to navigate the switches well. Does one more drive wheel make that much difference? thanks! Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29195	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Radio controlled tanks

For those of you that have thought of trying the micro RC tanks on your layout, I have found a site where they are on sale - either individually or in sets of 4 for about 75% off. Here is the link http://www.hobbytron.net/Mini-RC-remote-control-Tanks.html Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29196	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Seattle show this summer

Hi group, I'll be at the Seattle show unless the state pegs me to correct statewide 5th grade science assessments (talk about excitement!). So will the IESGPN S-guage group from Spokane with their layout. The Greater Seattle S-guagers is a big group. I'm sure they'll have something going on. Dang, while we're at it, why not contact Dan Olson in Seattle and tour his collection of American Flyer prototypes? Then we could mosey up to Michael Kollaseus' (spelling?) and see how he's doing on his new layout. How about a bop down south to view Ron Leaventon's collection and parts business? I don't know any of these guys personally, but it seems to me that there would be lots to see. S gauge is alive and well here in the Northern Territories. Sam and Steve, will you be there? Jacques in Yakima, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29197	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

My 4-8-4 holds them very well in my opinion. I started out with a 300AC years ago which the trailing truck likes to come off. The tender stays on well too and keeps good contact through the switch. I think the longer wheel spacing there helps. My 0-8-0 has a bit harder time going through switches at slow speeds, I think because it is a bit fussier about contact. Is yours wobble on the switch or something? Maybe you have something misalligned, bent, etc...??? All switches or just a troublesome one? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29198	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: 4-8-4 and AF switches

In my experience, the wiring loom from engine to tender is critical to how well an engine negotiates switches-and curves. Sometimes the wires have been re-soldered so many times that it shortens the loom, and the tender will tend (pun intended) to de-rail.-john marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29199	From: Tim	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: 4-8-4

Hi, The Gilbert factory took their system to the max when they built the 4-8-4 and the streamlined aluminum passenger cars, IMHO. Fifty some years later, with countless times the switches have been operated and the track sections used, now is the time for us as operators to increase our skills at track laying and diagnosis/repair. I believe we should lay vintage Flyer track with the same care as though it were the most finicky N or HO scale track. There are so many planes on which the switch parts operate. When there is a problem, we have to micro-examine every conceivable movement the switch parts make and how the loco wheels interact with them to find and correct the problem. Rails get out of gauge, ties come loose and switch frogs wobble in a variety of ways. The tangent of a curve to a straight section is important, especially if one of the sections is a switch. The train table may not be exactly level, so there could be a rise or fall on the track or switch at a critical point. The pilot truck on a loco may have chipped or warped wheels or the conical spring may be weakened or broken. The loco wheels may be out of gauge or have a broken flange or loose wheel. No one on the list can pinpoint exactly where a problem on someone else's layout may be without looking at it. All we can do is suggest things to do or look at. Hope this helps inspire, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29200	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Does anyone have an AM pacific?

Does anyone have an AM pacific? I am currently considering purchasing one, probably the NYC version. What is your opinion of the loco? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29201	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Any suggestions for New Steam locos?

Are there any suggestions for affordable ($400 and under) steam power for S? Personally, I'd like to see more streamliners- C&O 490, The NYC Commodore Vanderbilt, among them

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29202	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: PHM RDC Windows

Anyone have and idea how to add "people" to the windows of PHM's RDC? Are replacements for ACG passenger cars available and could they be used (which ones)? How about a scanned image of one? Anyone done this already and care to share so I don't have to take mine apart? TIA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29203	From: Alex	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: 4-8-4

I'd agree. My 336 4-8-4 was cantankerous when reversing through turnouts. Sometimes it would derail. Careful checking and adjustment of trailing truck wheel spacing cured the problem for me. Alex in Maine -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:15 AM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] 4-8-4 Hi, The Gilbert factory took their system to the max when they built the 4-8-4 and the streamlined aluminum passenger cars, IMHO. Fifty some years later, with countless times the switches have been operated and the track sections used, now is the time for us as operators to increase our skills at track laying and diagnosis/repair. I believe we should lay vintage Flyer track with the same care as though it were the most finicky N or HO scale track. There are so many planes on which the switch parts operate. When there is a problem, we have to micro-examine every conceivable movement the switch parts make and how the loco wheels interact with them to find and correct the problem. Rails get out of gauge, ties come loose and switch frogs wobble in a variety of ways. The tangent of a curve to a straight section is important, especially if one of the sections is a switch. The train table may not be exactly level, so there could be a rise or fall on the track or switch at a critical point. The pilot truck on a loco may have chipped or warped wheels or the conical spring may be weakened or broken. The loco wheels may be out of gauge or have a broken flange or loose wheel. No one on the list can pinpoint exactly where a problem on someone else's layout may be without looking at it. All we can do is suggest things to do or look at. Hope this helps inspire, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29204	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: GATS in Akron

If anyone is planning on going to the GATS show this weekend in Akron, Ohio, SAVE YOUR MONEY! It is without a doubt the WORST excuse for a train show I have ever seen. For $7, I had to work to stretch my visit to 30 minutes! Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29205	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

It may help to raise the outer or straight track side of the switch slightly. You can use a strip of cardboard under that edge of the switch. Shirt cardboard is good. This has the effect of superelevating the curved route through the switch. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29206	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?

I have 2, the first one and the later streamlined K4. They both run fine, look good and sound good. Right now I see some are on sale from AM, so I recommend you take the plunge.. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Does anyone have an AM pacific? > Does anyone have an AM pacific? I am currently considering > purchasing one, probably the NYC version. What is your opinion of > the loco? > > Jack > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29207	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@y...> wrote: > Does anyone have an AM pacific? I am currently considering > purchasing one, probably the NYC version. What is your opinion of > the loco? > > Jack I have two (Southern PS4 and the streamlined Pennsy K4), and they are both very quiet and smooth runners. They are geared to run slower at maximum track voltage than Flyer steamers, but their mechanical chuffers make two "chuffs" per wheel revolution rather than one on AF engines. The K4 has an excellent smoke unit and easily outsmokes my Southern PS4. I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if AM made a design change to the smoke unit somewhere along the way (I bought the Southern passenger set when they were first announced by AM, and it is a very early production unit). Sound on both is decent, but doesn't approach the state of the art in O gauge, IMO. The whistles don't allow short blasts, so it's hard to make realistic sounding signals. Just like AF, the mechanical chuffers are fantastic and don't grate on your nerves after a while like the digital sound systems used in other scales. I have found the details (marker lamps, hand rails, tender bottom detail) to be very susceptible to handling damage. It is not uncommon to see the unstreamlined AM Pacifics with things broken off. The NYC J3 may be better in this respect because it doesn't appear to have as much separately applied detail on it. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29208	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

Hi Chris......one thing I have found when looking for suspects is the AF switch itself. If you check out the curve section of the moving frog(I think thats what its called), make sure that there is not excessive wear(obvious dip). If you sight down the frog at eye level , you can check this out. My experience is that the lead drivers will go down into the wore frog and then derail when they hit the small plastic triangle junction (where the curve and straight join). Hope this helps. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "thefireman2473" <thefireman2473@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches.... > Does anyone have any issues running the 4-8-4 engines one gilbert > switches? I have a couple and they all seem to jump the switches. > The 4-6-2 pacifics seem to navigate the switches well. Does one > more drive wheel make that much difference? thanks! Chris > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29209	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Any suggestions for New Steam locos?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@y...> wrote: > Are there any suggestions for affordable ($400 and under) steam > power for S? > > Personally, I'd like to see more streamliners- C&O 490, The NYC > Commodore Vanderbilt, among them I don't know if it could be done for less than $400, but I would really like to see a Lima Superpower 2-8-4 in S. Several railroads had them, so they could be offered in Nickel Plate, C&O, Erie, Pere Marquette, Virginian and still be reasonably true to prototype. http://www.steamlocomotive.com/berkshire/#s Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29210	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Akron

Was it really that bad Dick? I was planning on going out in the morning to see what was there. How about other guages?? I do the three rail too. Ron rkuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: If anyone is planning on going to the GATS show this weekend in Akron, Ohio, SAVE YOUR MONEY! It is without a doubt the WORST excuse for a train show I have ever seen. For $7, I had to work to stretch my visit to 30 minutes! Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Ron "Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29211	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS in Akron

I know what you mean...I go to very few GATS ( Pay Toilet ) Shows anymore....I am in Florida....went all the way to ERIE, Pa...I couldn't even stay 30 minutes...pure waste of time for me.....They are mostly ho and o stuff.....new........And I have also set up at their shows since 1989...quit in the early 90's......from Jacksonville to Dayton.......Atlanta to KC.......and many in between......I really have never found much......But the small shows.....That's where stuff will show up....I once bough a lot of lionel......AT A GUN SHOW!!!! cheap........You just never know......I am going to a small show at Deland next week...out of about 4 or 5 of their shows I have spent a lot of "S" at 2 or 3....Ocala is another....look in Model Railroader for the shows in your area....the ho type........Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] GATS in Akron > If anyone is planning on going to the GATS show this weekend in Akron, Ohio, SAVE YOUR MONEY! It is without a doubt the WORST excuse for a train show I have ever seen. For $7, I had to work to stretch my visit to 30 minutes! > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29212	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?

> Does anyone have an AM pacific? I am currently considering purchasing one, probably the NYC version. What is your opinion of the loco?< I have three American Models steamers (Southern PS4, the streamlined Pennsy K4, and the NYC J3). All good runners, and the latter two are great smokers even at medium speeds. None of the three require as much maintenance as Flyer steamers. Unlike AF steamers, the AM locos have can motors and will run smoothly at verrrry sloooow speeds, but if I'm using an AF transformer, it's hard to get them to stop completely because they still want to creep along even though the transformer lever is at zero because AF transformers still put out about 4-5 volts when shut down so that the reverse units don't cycle when the steamer is stopped. So I usually pull up the handle when I need to stop them unless they're hauling a really heavy consist. The reverse unit on the AMs is electronic and after sitting with no power for 4-6 seconds, the units will always start in forward as long as the wire connection from tender to engine isn't attached upside down. Sound on all is okay, with nice mechanical chuffs and intermittent digital poppit valve noise, but to me -- and I've never made a side- by-side comparison -- the whistles all seem to sound the same and like Scott said, cannot be used to give a couple of short blasts for realism. Sometimes the whistle sound cuts out early and reminds you it is digital. Like Scott, I have found some PS4 details (especially marker lamps) to be very fragile -- one tender marker lamp was broken upon arrival even though I bought it NIB. The NYC J3 and Pennsy K4 don't have so many breakable after-attachments, but the way the plastic driver skirts are attached to the Pennsy seems very fragile when handling. The two streamlined locomotives have excellent pulling power, the PS4 is about average. While I have and enjoy running ACG Flyer steamers, I usually run out the AM steamers when I have non-train collector guests because they seem to like stuff with sounds better. Then I educate them on how 58 years of evolution has changed our hobby by getting a 314AW, 336, 312 and 326 on the mains. But IMHO, you can't go wrong, especially since Ron is running a great clearance sale on these on his website. Wish I had paid what they're selling for now, but that's the price you pay to be the first on the block to have them when they debut. Have fun. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29213	From: waldootten	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: GATS show in Chicago and more

Those of you frustrated with GATS shows in smaller markets, I feel your pain. We in the Chicagoland area are lucky to have the Great Midwest Train Show once a month (with summer exceptions) at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton. This is billed as "The World's Largest Monthly Train Show" and it always fills up four fairly large buildings and in clement weather, a large parking lot with outdoor vendors. While the show is heavy on O, HO, N and Z, there still are five to ten Flyer dealers there and so to me it's worth the $7 to get in. Pretty good deals often can be had, especially on vintage Flyer and sometimes on newer production from SHS and AM and, yes, even K-Line. Some S dealers come in from adjacent states. And while the Illinois Dept. of Revenue supposedly monitors the show, I've never been charged sales tax like at other shows. [Maybe it's included in the selling price -- nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, wink, wink.] I went to Train Fest up in Milwaukee last fall and was severely disappointed with little or no S for sale. It was more like a 50,000- square foot, three-rail showroom. A 190-mile round-trip wasted. Never again. I also attend the monthly Midwest TCA meet in Chicago, and usually there's some AF on tables, but again, another meet very heavy on Lionel. Surprisingly little HO and other teeny-weenie scales. We have a few hobby shops in the metro area that actually have S stuff in stock, but they're a small minority and healthy drives from where I live in the western suburbs. Most of the stuff is sold at or close to full retail, so I usually look to buy the new stuff on-line at some sort of discount. REMINDER AND PLUGOLA: Chicagoland is hosting the 2004 NASG National Convention the last week in July, and organizers tell me they'll have a huge trading room filled to the ceiling with S. Plus, Chicago has many interesting train-related sites -- the 3,500-sq. ft. train layout at the Museum of Science & Industry, where you can also see the original Pioneer Zephyr; Rochelle Railroad Park, one of dozens of great train-watching sites; and the Illinois Rail Museum and Fox Valley Trolley Museum, among others. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29214	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Seattle show this summer

In a message dated 01/17/2004 8:47:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, Jollivier4@... writes: S gauge is alive and well here in the Northern Territories. Sam and Steve, will you be there? Jacques in Yakima, WA Jacques, We plan to display at the regional NASG convention not the NMRA show. We will have working samples of all the can motor conversions including GEEPs and ALCOs and Baldwins. We will also have all 7 volumes of the "S-Gauge Model Railroading" videos with us. We will of course, have some of everything available for sale. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29215	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Radio controlled tanks

Don - Do you know what size they are? I couldn't find anything on the link. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Radio controlled tanks > For those of you that have thought of trying the micro RC tanks on your > layout, I have found a site where they are on sale - either individually > or in sets of 4 for about 75% off. Here is the link > > http://www.hobbytron.net/Mini-RC-remote-control-Tanks.html > > Enjoy! > > Don Munsey, Jr. > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29216	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an AM pacific?

In a message dated 1/17/04 1:41:09 PM, sgriggs@... writes: << I have two (Southern PS4 and the streamlined Pennsy K4), and they are both very quiet and smooth runners. ............ Scott>> Good review, Scott. Your experience squares with mine -- we have the same two engines! I tend to like the K4 better, in part because it is a more faithful model of its prototype. My single big beef with many AM steamers is the lead and trailing (particularly the trailing) trucks depending on the sample may run afoul of AF switches, especially when in reverse. Be prepared to have to adjust these trucks and possibly spring load them with small coil springs if you are running AM Pacifics on a traditional Gilbert layout. 1946-47 ACG 300 Atlantics and some 1947 310s have a similar problem with their trailing trucks and I've used similar (easily reversible) mods to enable these engines to negotiate Gilbert switches, as well. Cutting up old ACG brush springs is a good source for 'damping' springs. At the current "blow out" prices for the AM steam engines (e.g., $250 for a full-featured PRR K4), they are a very good buy and are now fair value for money. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29217	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF Crinkle paint finish

What some of the members in our club do is buy a can of "wrinkle finish" spray paint. You'll find it in the automotive section - and it usually comes in black. Follow the directions and let it dry - then spray a light coat of the appropriate color on top of the wrinkle finish. (as an example of a wrinkle finish paint... http://www.eastwoodco.com/email/default3.asp?SRCCODE=G1KW1904&SKW=wrinkle ) Michael >Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:43:44 -0700 > From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> >Subject: AF Crinkle paint finish > >Greetings All! I have a question with respect to the crinkle finish >found on ACG accessories, usually the green (which I cannot find a decent >match for) and black. The million dollar question, How did they do it? > Anyone have the answer about the process? Thanx Al Kielek > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29218	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: GATS show in Chicago and more

In a message dated 1/17/04 3:32:38 PM, waldootten@... writes: << We in the Chicagoland area are lucky to have the Great Midwest Train Show once a month (with summer exceptions) at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton. >> I can heartily recommend DuPage, as well. It is the next best (though by quite a bit) thing to "York". Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29219	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: locomotive likes to run one way only

My problem has been solved...appears that the crude, replacement wiring connecting my 290 with its tender was too stiff and possibly too short as well. This likely caused the stalling when running clockwise. With a new 4-conductor cable from Port Lines this problem seems to be solved (knock on wood). Thank you to all those that contributed toward finding the cure. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29220	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2004
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

It's not so much the one more drive wheel, as the center wheels do not actually touch the rails (unless something is worn), the problem is all the weight on those four contacting drive wheels! If everything is in order, the 4-8-4s will negotiate AF trackwork. IF!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29221	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Re: AM pacific

I was given a PRR K-4 for X-mass. ( thank you P.R.) I ran it for less than 2 hours when the press fit rivet on the left side linkage failed and the rods came apart. I called AM and they advised me how to fix and did not seem to think it necessary to return it. I did repair and it seems to work but I am nervous about it and I think I will check the right side assembly next... The rivet does seem to be a weak point to me but the engine is great when it works-- Tom Hillery Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:59:26 -0000 From: "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@...> Subject: Does anyone have an AM pacific? Does anyone have an AM pacific? I am currently considering purchasing one, probably the NYC version. What is your opinion of the loco?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29222	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

Hello Gang, I recently made a bunch of track changes on my layout and was faced with the old AF switch headache. That is, some AF steamers have the inclination to derail in AF switches--usually the cast heavy ones. I have found by experience that these problems can be mostly eliminated by pitching the switch (slightly) to the inside--toward the long curved rail--using thin cardboard as mentioned here. This shifts the weight of the engine and moves its (center of gravity?) toward that stationary rail in the switch---which allows the throw to remain in its position during switching actions. There would not normally be a problem with the straight through setting unless you have problems with the engine itself. This takes repeated experimentation and patience to work out--sometimes the cardboard goes here or there. Getting your eyeball down into the action helps to reduce the trial and error period. Also important--many AF switch throws do not line up exactly with the frog when thrown. My answer there was to slightly grind (bevel) the tips of the throw back to allow smooth transfer of the wheel flanges through the frog area. I also find that loose AF wheels will shift enough on their axle to be out of gauge --and this will become obvious in switches and crossovers--derailments. The large AF passenger coaches were found to be repeaters among these type problems. I also found that all of my wheel problems with my 4-8-4 were due to the pul-mor tires. They had worn into a hump (ridge?) on the wheel causing uneven travel--but only showing illness in turns & switches. In looking at the wheel, the pul-mor looked good. I winced as I ripped off the pul-mor tires a few weeks ago, but now have done that with 2 other engines. The changes were very positive for me. I just suspect that these tires were pretty tired after 50 years. The rubber--it hardens and becomes uneven and brittle--that's the best way I can explain it. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29224	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Northern 4-8-4 engines and AF switches....

Chris, My 4-8-4 Northern runs well thru all thy AF switches on my layout. All 22. Now the only time they jump the track is by my error. This was not always the case however. Areas of concern to me were: 1. Do not start a grade change until at least 10 to 20 inches from switch. 2 sections of AF track. 2. I do not know the tech terms, but remove the back cover of lthe switch and under another smaller cover there is a 5 sided "plunger" which holds the moveable part of the switch in position. Check for wear and that the spring has enough tension to hold the "plunger in place. 3. If the switch is screwed to the layout be sure that you have not distorted the shape by fastening to tight. Good Luck, Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29225	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Wanted: Southern Railway Heavyweights

I am looking for these two full-length heavyweight Pullmans made by AM for SHS about ten or so years ago. They are Southern Railway cars "McHENRY" and "SPRINGBROOK CLUB" If you have either of these cars, I would be interested in offering to purchase them, or preferably to trade for them. I have other Southern Railway heavyweights to offer on a trade. Some of my extras include a cafe car, Pullmans "HERSHEY" and "FAIRFAX HARRISON", an RPO, and a baggage car. Earl Henry 615/352-1181 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29226	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2004
Subject: Have surplus SHS Catalogs

I have SHS catalogs for 2000, and 2001, and 2002 that I am getting ready to throw away. If anybody wants them, let me know within a couple of days and I will ship them for $5. Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29227	From: steve	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: How to remove rust?

What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight cars, etc..? thanks, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29228	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

I have a similar question... I have sand blasted, and used a wire wheel, and used naval jelly... My question is, how does one get the original gun metal blue/black finish back on the track ties? -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@... What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight cars, etc..? thanks, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29229	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: New

I see that the Lionel delivery of 2-8-2 Mikado and passenger set has been pushed back to July 2004. I assume this is correct. Is there any possibility that they will not deliver? Clifford Manning

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29230	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Another Mikado Delay

Lionel has again revised the delivery date on its Mikado steam loco. It is now announced (notice I did not say expected) to be delivered in NOVEMBER 2004 (a full 8 months later than originally announced, and the second announced delay this month already). Does anyone know what's up? Was the original announced date just a marketing ploy? Was it designed to "scoop" S-Helper Service's steam loco? BTW, SHS will now probably beat Lionel to the market with their loco. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29231	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: What is "AC" and "K"

What does the letters "AC"(ex.312AC)mean on a American Flyer Engine. Is it for Automatic couplers or current. Also "K" (ex. K325).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29232	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: PAYPAL????

Anyone else having trouble accessing Paypal??? I moved & don't know if it's because of the new server or Paypal it self, Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29233	From: Marty	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: PAYPAL

I just sent a payment with Paypal, no problems Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29234	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay

This is a real disappointment, but not a surprise. It will be interesting to see what AF items are in the new catalog, which should be released in the next week or two. My guess is that either a tight budget or tight electronics or both may be the cause. I hope someone out there can give us the answer. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > Lionel has again revised the delivery date on its > Mikado steam loco. It is now announced (notice I did > not say expected) to be delivered in NOVEMBER 2004 (a > full 8 months later than originally announced, and the > second announced delay this month already). >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29235	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL

If anyone else wishes to try sending money via paypal, I'm rgehrig@.... I'll be glad to let you know if I receive it :) -----Original Message----- From: Marty [mailto:parker@...] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] PAYPAL I just sent a payment with Paypal, no problems Marty S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29236	From: roy inman	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay

on 1/19/04 8:47 AM, Joseph Haenn at joestrainrepair@... wrote: > Lionel has again revised the delivery date on its > Mikado steam loco. It is now announced (notice I did > not say expected) to be delivered in NOVEMBER 2004 (a > full 8 months later than originally announced, and the > second announced delay this month already). > > Does anyone know what's up? Was the original > announced date just a marketing ploy? Know not Lionel's motivation, but from observation of announced products by many manufacturers over the years, a delay in production of a steam loco is not unusual. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29237	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Mikado delay

I had written when I learned of the first delay and all I got was "you need a part number so we can help you." Well.....it turns out they don't answer questions about delays. So.. i was goin gto write or call this morning after learning of the second delay and here is what L has on their customer service contact page and I quote: "Please understand that the above groups are not able to answer “product marketing” questions. They cannot discuss product marketing issues such as when a product, not yet in a Lionel catalog, will be offered, etc. Customer Service individuals do not know the answers to these types of marketing questions. Questions that concern Lionel marketing of product, etc. are “company private” issues and are not shared with individuals outside the executive and marketing areas of the company." So it looks like we will never know what is going on unless something would leak out along the line. I think the least they can do is offer an explanation since who knows how many of them were ordered.....enough that both models sold out in November. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29238	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay

In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:14:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: Lionel has again revised the delivery date on its Mikado steam loco. It is now announced (notice I did not say expected) to be delivered in NOVEMBER 2004 (a full 8 months later than originally announced, and the second announced delay this month already). Does anyone know what's up? Was the original announced date just a marketing ploy? Was it designed to "scoop" S-Helper Service's steam loco? BTW, SHS will now probably beat Lionel to the market with their loco. Joe My, my. Conspiracy theories abound. <grin> Product deliveries through all of the train importers (Lionel, MTH, K-Line, Weaver, etc.) for 0 gauge are heavily backlogged in the Asian assembly factories. For example, Lionel's 0 gauge Moguls are now pushed back from February 04 to July 04 and those engines are a definite build. My understanding is that the AF Mikados were always slated to be produced after the Moguls. It might also be that they are being very careful to get things right on this very important release. I do not see any fundamental reason why the Mikes will not be built because the first production run was sold out (to dealers) in November. Many of us have handled the preproduction samples so we know that the critical tooling now exists. Those who are buyers of new Asian-built 0 gauge trains are very familiar to delays in shipping trains of new design and tooling. BTW, the SHS Consolidation hasn't exactly been an "express" to market, either. That equipment has to stand in the queue like everything else built in China (and elsewhere on the far side of the Pacific). I am very much looking forward to enjoying both of these new S gauge steam engines. Patience is (an Asian) virtue! <grin> Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29239	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes

Many thanks! I have carefully filed your information. I found someone with seven of the originals and am awaiting their arrival. He sent me a package number to track it from. According to the USPS, the package was mailed on January 10 from Redmond, Washington. It has not arrived. A first class letter was mailed to me on December 10th from Cleveland. It has not arrived. The December NASG Dispatch was mailed in mid-December. It has not arrived. The S/Sn3 modelers guide (subscribed to at NASG National this summer), NOT first class, was mailed in mid-December. It has not arrived. John Foley (NASG) and Richard (S/Sn3) have both offered to replace my missing issues. The guy in Cleveland is upset as his letter contained a document to be delivered to the historic collection of the Meredith Wilson Museum in Mason City, Iowa. I seem to have a real morass here and sending me 'replacement copies' I fear will cause them to disappear into this 'tar pit' as well. On Sunday I contacted the USPS via their website's complaint/suggestion/comments area asking where my mail is. In the meantime, I wait. I figure if I want anything right now I must use a non-USPS delivery service. (Gosh, I hope I don't have any soon-to-be-overdue bills in this mess.) Patiently, Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Ed Eckert [mailto:ejenterp@...] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:10 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Box-car-boxes Hi Marty: I am updating you in reference to the flat boxes that are out there now. I went to a show yesterday and they were there. No email address. UPPA Valley Lines PO Box 60613 Sunnyvale, Ca, 94088 408-733-8772 Ed Eckert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@...> To: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Box-car-boxes > I purchased the last of what he had years ago. There is another supplier > selling similar boxes at the GATS shows on the West Coast. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale (E-mail)" > <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Box-car-boxes > > > > In the late 1980s there was a company in California selling boxes for > > trains. It consisted of a flattish box with drop-on lid. (Think of a > paper > > box and its lid only 3 inches tall.) One box, with the included dividers, > > would hold 8 AF hoppers / box cars in four rows of two. Or rearrange the > > cardboard dividers and it could hold six gondolas in one column. > > > > I ordered 22 boxes and assembled the last of them on Sunday. It is time > to > > get more. I am ready to order 14 more. Does anyone know what happened to > > them? I tried phoning them on Sunday and the number was not in service. > > > > The boxes have some printing on them: > > Box Car Box > > P. O. Box 3592-112 > > Sunnyvale, CA 94088 > > (415) 967-7366 > > > > I also tried the area code 401 (San Jose) with the same results. > > > > In 1988 they were about $5.00 each plus shipping. > > > > Thank you for any information, > > Thorin > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: What is "AC" and "K"

AC is for Alternating Current electricity vs DC being Direct Current K is for Knuckle Coupler. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29241	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL????

Mike, It is likely part of the security feature of paypal, after all, you moved to a different state! I imagine you have to contact Paypal with your new information, as each ISP has a different "code number" (I don't know the correct term, but we all have ID addresses consisting of some long number) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29242	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update

Hi all, It takes a lot of work, but gunshops and some car restoration shops sell a blueing (or blackening, if you like) product. When I glassbead rusty track, it depends on how much rust there is to remove, often just the rails are rusty, so I avoid hitting the ties, but if the ties lose their color, I've been painting the entire track sem-gloss black, so it ends up looking a lot like the "black rail" track of early ACG production. Otherwise, I clear coat the track (of course, in both instances, you have to clean the coating off the top and inside edge of the rails to run trains. IF you are going to just store the track for a while, don't clean off the coating until ready to use. The glassbeading does remove some or all of the plating! BTW, I usually use lower air pressure to be more gentle, and I've experimented with ground up walnut shells with various results (sometimes great, sometimes lousy, might be the grade of shells I'm using (bird cage bottom covering!) S' David D. PS the garage is nearly EMPTY!!! Just a shelf of trains to move! The termites ate up Linda's family's 1870s bedside cabinet (the one holding the thunder mug & towels) and some of her Aunt's treadle sewing machine cabinet--but they left the house alone (I guess the antique wood was more flavorful?), other than that, everything's OK.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29243	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Another Mikado Delay

Hmm, so if they were made in the USA, they would cost more, but we'd have them sooner????? Hmm, also interesting that the Chinese manufactures' of choice are so busy! Or is everyone using the same factory???? OH well, I this gives me more time to save up to pay for mine! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29244	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Anniversary Site Addition

As of tomorrow, January 20, 2004, Best of Show Model Builders will be celebrating exactly one year since inception. Am I having a sale? Absolutely not. Have had enough business to keep me as busy as I would like, and it's too darn cold now to get much work done anyway. Instead, I invite you to take a look at a new addition to the Links on the site at www.bestofshowmodelbuilders.com . I try to monitor Links that are added to the site and have my webmaster take down those that don't seem appropriate. I was about to ask him to remove one this morning when, through curiosity, I accessed the addition myself. As Gomer Pyle so eloquently expressed, "Shazaam!" The new link is at the bottom of the Link list and is titled as "Cabin Creek." I could have sworn this name was associated with a known supplier, but this site is totally different than any modeling resource site I've seen to date. Cabin Creek offers catalogues on CD. Before you come to a preconceived conclusion, consider the catalogues they offer: 1925 Maple & Co., 1925 Sears Honor Bilt Homes, 1912 Clyde Iron Works, 1901 Ligerwood Rapid Unloader, some for Case, and some with Shays. This is an absolutely rare resource for scratch-building or modification of existing models. Do, do, do play their animated introduction. The introduction takes a few minutes to load, but the wait is worth the experience. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29245	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update

I am in the market for a glass beader. For track and related smaller hobby applications. Does anyone have any info on availabilty and cost?? Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Richard Gehrig" <rgehrig@...> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How to remove rust? & our moving update > Hi all, > It takes a lot of work, but gunshops and some car restoration shops sell a > blueing (or blackening, if you like) product. When I glassbead rusty track, > it depends on how much rust there is to remove, often just the rails are > rusty, so I avoid hitting the ties, but if the ties lose their color, I've > been painting the entire track sem-gloss black, so it ends up looking a lot > like the "black rail" track of early ACG production. Otherwise, I clear coat > the track (of course, in both instances, you have to clean the coating off > the top and inside edge of the rails to run trains. IF you are going to just > store the track for a while, don't clean off the coating until ready to use. > The glassbeading does remove some or all of the plating! BTW, I usually > use lower air pressure to be more gentle, and I've experimented with ground > up walnut shells with various results (sometimes great, sometimes lousy, > might be the grade of shells I'm using (bird cage bottom covering!) > S' > David D. > PS the garage is nearly EMPTY!!! Just a shelf of trains to move! The > termites ate up Linda's family's 1870s bedside cabinet (the one holding the > thunder mug & towels) and some of her Aunt's treadle sewing machine > cabinet--but they left the house alone (I guess the antique wood was more > flavorful?), other than that, everything's OK. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29246	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Seattle NTS

For those inquiring about the Seattle NMRA national convention this July: The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Idaho will be displaying their famous S-gauge layout, "Lookout Junction," at the National Train Show (NTS) in downtown Seattle, July 9-11, 2004. The NTS, held at the conclusion of the NMRA convention, will be located at the new Stadium Exhibition Center, a block from Amtrak's King Street Station. As Lee Johnson said, the NASG will hold its first Regional Convention down the road in Tacoma, WA, July 10-14, 2004. You can see that the dates slightly overlap, so it's possible to visit both shows. The last I heard from NASG Western VP Gil Hulin is that NASG might bus folks to Seattle on Sunday, July 11, to attend the NTS. Jaques, I understood that the Spokane club (IESGAPN) would be displaying its layout at the NASG convention in Tacoma, not the Seattle show. Information on that can come from Jon Kettner of the IESGAPN. It is also my understanding that the Northwest S Scalers will have their layout at Tacoma. As Steve Blackburn indicated, he and Sam Rapp of S-'n-S Trains plan to have a table at the NASG in Tacoma. (If I have any of this info wrong, I hope Lee, Steve, Gil, and Jon will post corrections.) We hope that S gaugers from around the nation will visit both conventions. Our club has been gearing up for a couple of years to represent S at the National Train Show, and we're getting excited about making the long trip to Seattle with our layout. Hope to see you there! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29247	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: PAYPAL????

I'm not a computer genius by any means, but I have accessed my PayPal account from my house, work, my mom's house and from Georgia (I live in Utah) all of which would use a different ISP. I'm not sure it is the ISP number that affects the login, just the account name and password. gary On 1/19/04 9:28 AM, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > Mike, > It is likely part of the security feature of paypal, after all, you > moved to a different state! I imagine you have to contact Paypal with your > new information, as each ISP has a different "code number" (I don't know the > correct term, but we all have ID addresses consisting of some long number) > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29248	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Lionel help needed

I only know AF. Repaired a friends older steam engine (2026). It uses the pellets for smoke. Is their a conversion to use fluid? I know some of you are duel gauge people. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29249	From: Don McGinnis	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AM turnouts

If anyone is interested in selling off some of their AM powered turnouts (T148R-PW & T148L-PW), please contact me off list. I would also be interested in any with the hand-throws as well as the non-powered ones. i.e. whatever ya got :-) Thanx, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29250	From: aleisen@juno.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Digest 2151

Is anyone having problems accessing yahoo groups, I keep getting a message saying it's temporarily unavailable. I am trying to look at the message arcives. Also could someone send me Digest 2151. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29251	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

Been looking into this today... Found 2 BIODEGRADABLE liquid solutions to getting rid of rust (on track ties, metal rolling stock bottoms). 1) Evapo-rust: non-corrosive, no acids, solvents or bases I got this from my local Wally World... rather pricey, $6.88 for a 32 oz bottle. Instructions say to let rusted piece soak for 20 minutes; heavily rusted things for 24 hours. I soaked a hopelessly rusted track for about 30 minutes. Much to my surprise though, it actually works! The rust just seems to disappear as it soaks. On the down side, the paint on the track ties also disappeared. FWIW, I soaked the track piece in a 15" $1.97 plastic silverware divider/drawer. In other words, it appears to be safe on unpainted plastic. I then tried a gun "bluing" liquid. It did an okay job and would have worked a lot better on surfaces that were "completely" paint & rust-free; after the fact, I saw area's that could have been cleaned better. 2) Castrol Super Clean (tough task degreaser). BIODEGRADABLE <use with care ;) > This can be obtained at most auto parts stores, and Wally World. Wally World price was under $6 for a gallon. Full strength did an awesome job on cleaning the track ties... I let the tie soak in a glass pitcher for about 30 minutes. I rinsed the track well, and wiped it with a paper towel. The ties with lots of surface rust were surprisingly clean. Nice part was, for the 30 minute soaking I did, the black appearance did not disappear. The ties transformed from rust color to their original blue/black color. On the downside, a lot of surface rust remained on the track itself (which, IMO, is not an issue since I can quickly easily hit it some fine sand paper, or as marv d suggested, used "kingspor sandflex", a "rubber type eraser material"). I have used the Super Clean on other items as well. I started using it based on a post from here (somewhere). It is GREAT for removing paint on plastic items. So far I have used it on a horribly deteriorated AF 962 (Washington) Pass. car, chrome, with WONDERFUL results. It took the remainder of the chrome off and did not damage the plastic whatsoever. I also have used it on a cast loco including screws/driver linkage etc. with good results. The bottom line on today's exercise... Both methods worked, and gave more than satisfactory results on "rusted-beyond-belief" track sections. The Evapo-rust did a great job on the rails; the Bluing (Perma Blue by Birchwood Casey) did a good job on re-bluing the ties. This was time consuming though, and would not be efficient for a large project such as cleaning a hundred track sections. The Castrol Super Clean is my choice for this project at this point. It cleaned the ties wonderfully, and I did not have to re-blue them. It did not do a real great job on the rails (specifically, the rail TOPS, the sides seemed to come clean, or weren't as rusted); the rails, however, are easily cleaned via other methods. NOTE: USE CAUTION with the Castrol, it removes paint. So don't get it on any painted surfaces you don't want to repaint. Wear gloves, or you'll end up with hands that look & feel like they are 150 years old. I hope this helps. If anyone else has suggestions, please post them. *The results posted here are based on "my opinion". Individual results may vary. The products mentioned in this post were used outside their intended purposes, and may not be suitable for your project. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@... What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight cars, etc..? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29252	From: keefer1	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel help needed

Try contacting Mike Marple,of Mike's trains and Hobbies Lompoc Ca.805-736-6747 He'll sell you all you need. Keith --- dwightlehnhoff <dlehnhoff@...> wrote: > I only know AF. Repaired a friends older steam > engine (2026). It > uses the pellets for smoke. Is their a conversion > to use fluid? I > know some of you are duel gauge people. > Dwight > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29253	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: How to remove rust? + stripping gloves

Richard G, this is great stuff. Please keep it up. I would like to remind folks that gun blueing and blackening solutions contain selenium, which is known to cause birth defects. Do not use it anywhere near a pregnant person. It also seems to penetrate skin and stay for days, judging by the smell. Use rubber gloves. And here is another safety note I have been meaning to share. In the last year, I have noticed a new kind of rubber glove being sold at hardware and paint stores, called stripping gloves, that I like a lot. Almost all rubber gloves sold in hardware stores up to now have been penetratable or soluble by lacquer thinner and many other solvents and agents that many of us use. The only kind of glove that stops lacquer thinner, for example, is made from something called nitrile rubber I have never seen them for sale in a store. And various other hard to find gloves can stop other substances, depending what kind of specialty rubber they are made of. As far as I can tell, these stripping gloves are made from a clever mixture of different kinds of rubber, including nitrile rubber, and offer a much wider variety of protection than previously available. They are relatively flexible and comfortable, too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29254	From: Ken Kinyon - W7TS	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

Hi, I guess I'm behind on Current terms. What is "Wally World" besides a amusement park in a movie? Curiously, Ken ------------------- Kenneth E. Kinyon 34 Princeton Circle Longmont, CO 80503-2106 ----------------------- E-mail: W7TS@... W7TS@... W7TS@... ALPCA #8339 ARRL-LM ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gehrig [mailto:rgehrig@...] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 15:52 To: steve; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How to remove rust? Been looking into this today... Found 2 BIODEGRADABLE liquid solutions to getting rid of rust (on track ties, metal rolling stock bottoms). 1) Evapo-rust: non-corrosive, no acids, solvents or bases I got this from my local Wally World... rather pricey, $6.88 for a 32 oz bottle. Instructions say to let rusted piece soak for 20 minutes; heavily rusted things for 24 hours. I soaked a hopelessly rusted track for about 30 minutes. Much to my surprise though, it actually works! The rust just seems to disappear as it soaks. On the down side, the paint on the track ties also disappeared. FWIW, I soaked the track piece in a 15" $1.97 plastic silverware divider/drawer. In other words, it appears to be safe on unpainted plastic. I then tried a gun "bluing" liquid. It did an okay job and would have worked a lot better on surfaces that were "completely" paint & rust-free; after the fact, I saw area's that could have been cleaned better. 2) Castrol Super Clean (tough task degreaser). BIODEGRADABLE <use with care ;) > This can be obtained at most auto parts stores, and Wally World. Wally World price was under $6 for a gallon. Full strength did an awesome job on cleaning the track ties... I let the tie soak in a glass pitcher for about 30 minutes. I rinsed the track well, and wiped it with a paper towel. The ties with lots of surface rust were surprisingly clean. Nice part was, for the 30 minute soaking I did, the black appearance did not disappear. The ties transformed from rust color to their original blue/black color. On the downside, a lot of surface rust remained on the track itself (which, IMO, is not an issue since I can quickly easily hit it some fine sand paper, or as marv d suggested, used "kingspor sandflex", a "rubber type eraser material"). I have used the Super Clean on other items as well. I started using it based on a post from here (somewhere). It is GREAT for removing paint on plastic items. So far I have used it on a horribly deteriorated AF 962 (Washington) Pass. car, chrome, with WONDERFUL results. It took the remainder of the chrome off and did not damage the plastic whatsoever. I also have used it on a cast loco including screws/driver linkage etc. with good results. The bottom line on today's exercise... Both methods worked, and gave more than satisfactory results on "rusted-beyond-belief" track sections. The Evapo-rust did a great job on the rails; the Bluing (Perma Blue by Birchwood Casey) did a good job on re-bluing the ties. This was time consuming though, and would not be efficient for a large project such as cleaning a hundred track sections. The Castrol Super Clean is my choice for this project at this point. It cleaned the ties wonderfully, and I did not have to re-blue them. It did not do a real great job on the rails (specifically, the rail TOPS, the sides seemed to come clean, or weren't as rusted); the rails, however, are easily cleaned via other methods. NOTE: USE CAUTION with the Castrol, it removes paint. So don't get it on any painted surfaces you don't want to repaint. Wear gloves, or you'll end up with hands that look & feel like they are 150 years old. I hope this helps. If anyone else has suggestions, please post them. *The results posted here are based on "my opinion". Individual results may vary. The products mentioned in this post were used outside their intended purposes, and may not be suitable for your project. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@... What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight cars, etc..? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29255	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

WALLY WORLD = WALL MART ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kinyon - W7TS" <w7ts@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How to remove rust? > Hi, > I guess I'm behind on Current terms. What is "Wally World" besides a > amusement park in a movie? > Curiously, > Ken > > ------------------- > Kenneth E. Kinyon > 34 Princeton Circle > Longmont, CO 80503-2106 > ----------------------- > E-mail: W7TS@... > W7TS@... > W7TS@... > ALPCA #8339 > ARRL-LM > ------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Gehrig [mailto:rgehrig@...] > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 15:52 > To: steve; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How to remove rust? > > > Been looking into this today... > > Found 2 BIODEGRADABLE liquid solutions to getting rid of rust (on track > ties, metal rolling stock bottoms). > > 1) Evapo-rust: non-corrosive, no acids, solvents or bases > I got this from my local Wally World... rather pricey, $6.88 for a 32 oz > bottle. Instructions say to let rusted piece soak for 20 minutes; heavily > rusted things for 24 hours. I soaked a hopelessly rusted track for about 30 > minutes. Much to my surprise though, it actually works! The rust just seems > to disappear as it soaks. On the down side, the paint on the track ties also > disappeared. FWIW, I soaked the track piece in a 15" $1.97 plastic > silverware divider/drawer. In other words, it appears to be safe on > unpainted plastic. I then tried a gun "bluing" liquid. It did an okay job > and would have worked a lot better on surfaces that were "completely" paint > & rust-free; after the fact, I saw area's that could have been cleaned > better. > > 2) Castrol Super Clean (tough task degreaser). BIODEGRADABLE <use with care > ;) > This can be obtained at most auto parts stores, and Wally World. Wally > World price was under $6 for a gallon. Full strength did an awesome job on > cleaning the track ties... I let the tie soak in a glass pitcher for about > 30 minutes. I rinsed the track well, and wiped it with a paper towel. The > ties with lots of surface rust were surprisingly clean. Nice part was, for > the 30 minute soaking I did, the black appearance did not disappear. The > ties transformed from rust color to their original blue/black color. On the > downside, a lot of surface rust remained on the track itself (which, IMO, is > not an issue since I can quickly easily hit it some fine sand paper, or as > marv d suggested, used "kingspor sandflex", a "rubber type eraser > material"). I have used the Super Clean on other items as well. I started > using it based on a post from here (somewhere). It is GREAT for removing > paint on plastic items. So far I have used it on a horribly deteriorated > AF 962 (Washington) Pass. car, chrome, with WONDERFUL results. It took the > remainder of the chrome off and did not damage the plastic whatsoever. I > also have used it on a cast loco including screws/driver linkage etc. with > good results. > > The bottom line on today's exercise... Both methods worked, and gave more > than satisfactory results on "rusted-beyond-belief" track sections. > > The Evapo-rust did a great job on the rails; the Bluing (Perma Blue by > Birchwood Casey) did a good job on re-bluing the ties. This was time > consuming though, and would not be efficient for a large project such as > cleaning a hundred track sections. > > The Castrol Super Clean is my choice for this project at this point. It > cleaned the ties wonderfully, and I did not have to re-blue them. It did not > do a real great job on the rails (specifically, the rail TOPS, the sides > seemed to come clean, or weren't as rusted); the rails, however, are > easily cleaned via other methods. NOTE: USE CAUTION with the Castrol, it > removes paint. So don't get it on any painted surfaces you don't want to > repaint. Wear gloves, or you'll end up with hands that look & feel like they > are 150 years old. > > I hope this helps. If anyone else has suggestions, please post them. > > *The results posted here are based on "my opinion". Individual results may > vary. The products mentioned in this post were used outside their intended > purposes, and may not be suitable for your project. > > -Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@... > > > What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight > cars, etc..? > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29256	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? WAY OFF TOPIC

OK Guys and Gals.......As for removing rust......Somewhere I saw a ad about a paint that you could spray on rusted stuff..like lawn furniture, etc. Right now I have A non train related item ( well they were used on trains ) that I want to repaint Olive Drab color with yellow lettering.....This DUMMY .....250# + BOMB....WITH FINS AND ALL.......is about 10" dia. x 36" long...the sheet metal has a light rust on it....I would like to just spray it..can't fill the bathtub with rust dissolver......any other ideas....Don't feel like spending a lot of time sanding.......Bob Conner..RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29257	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AF Loco #

I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" page at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=35 I have a locomotive that I can't identify and was hoping someone in the group could help. Thanks. Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29258	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

***((((I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" page at:)))**** Checking some photos,..it looks like a #312, #313, or a #320. Maybe even a #21115. Ahhhh...just saw the link coupler, rule out the #21115!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29259	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: AF loco

Isn't that pre war? dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29260	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [showcaseline] S-Helper SW-1 Conversion

I can't remember but look to see if a screw or screws have to come off before unsnapping. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [showcaseline] S-Helper SW-1 Conversion to Scale > Take two tiny screwdrivers and, with the loco upside down, using the axle as > a fulcrum, pry the upper (part facing up) front of the truck until it > unsnaps. Don Thompson taught me this when I asked him the same question in > an email. > The trick is the truck frame halves unsnap to split open. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Garber" <kgarber@...> > To: <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [showcaseline] S-Helper SW-1 Conversion to Scale > > > > ted weiler wrote: > > > > > I tried to convert my SW-1s to scale, but cannot figure out how to > > > get the trucks apart to change out the wheel sets. What am I doing > > > wrong? The couple mount was easy, but I cannot find where to get the > > > trucks apart. > > > > > > > Assuming it's identical to the SW9/1200 truck, the truck bottoms are > > 'clipped' onto the truck frames at the front and back ends of the > > assembly. > > > > If you have ever seen Model Power HO trucks (and Atlas are similar) - > > it's the same. > > > > You will need to CAREFULLY use a small flat bladed screwdriver and pry > > up on the gear cover. > > > > In the picture > > > http://www.stclairc.on.ca/people/pages/kgarber/railroad/Model/projects/SWtruck.jpg > > > > you need to get the thin piece of plastic to clear the truck assembly > > denoted by the 'double' tabs. If the body's off you can go in through > > the top, otherwise you need to swivel the truck to one side to get to > > the tab. It looks like it would be easier if you went in at the motor > > end of the truck as the steps may block you at the opposite end. > > > > Once changed out, the cover will snap back on the truck - clip one end > > first and then press down on the other. > > > > One hint: before installing the wheelsets, make sure the brass/bronze > > pickup wires make contact with the back of the wheel. I have seen > > where, with side to side play, they may not make adequate contact. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/showcaseline/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > showcaseline-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Scale-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29261	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF loco

***(((Isn't that pre war?)))**** OOPS!! I didn't look at the photo of the bottom!!! The link coupler appears to be missing a weight also!!! I take back my #'s !! :^) Sorry!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29262	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

Looks like an early 310....see the 1946 thin shank coupler....but the wheels look like pre war "o"...also see the 1946 buttons.....Bob Conner...RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <seekr2@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Loco # > I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" page at: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=35 > > I have a locomotive that I can't identify and was hoping someone in the group could help. > > Thanks. > > Peg > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29263	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF loco

***(((Isn't that pre war?)))*** Well, checking more photos,.....I think it is a #310,.....post war. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29264	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Wally World

On the other hand, since they were going to an amusement park, I always accepted that Wally World was "Walt Disney World" since it is a park and Wally goes well with Walter. BTW, they run live steam engines at WDW that are a dream to see - four of them! I have a coupe of pictures on my personal website and hope to get pix of the other two. It would be a hoot to model them in S. Perhaps using HO mechanisms in Sn42 (only 6 prototype inches off of the real thing!) Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29265	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: Wally World

Hey Guys and Gals........Thanks for the Wally World jokes.....It reminded me of and old joke...... My Wally World is putting up Valet Parking signs........Want to shake up people....Go into the dressing room and Yell...."Wheres the Toilet Paper" Seriously....I did a search for "Wallmart Jokes".....been laughing for some time.....I needed it....its been 3 months today..... Thanks Guys and Gals for all your support..... Bob Conner........RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29266	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

> >I hope this helps. If anyone else has suggestions, please post them. > >*The results posted here are based on "my opinion". Individual results may >vary. The products mentioned in this post were used outside their intended >purposes, and may not be suitable for your project. > >-Richard > > > I'll ask some of the old timers at work if there are any special > brands or techniques for gun blueing. They might have some tips. I've > never used it, but I was told there were a few tricks to it's use. I'm a stainless steel guy myself......................D.D. >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29267	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? WAY OFF TOPIC

At 07:23 PM 1/19/04 -0500, you wrote: >OK Guys and Gals.......As for removing rust......Somewhere I saw a ad about >a paint that you could spray on rusted stuff..like lawn furniture, etc. >Right now I have A non train related item ( well they were used on trains ) >that I want to repaint Olive Drab color with yellow lettering.....This DUMMY >.....250# + BOMB....WITH FINS AND ALL.......is about 10" dia. x 36" >long...the sheet metal has a light rust on it....I would like to just spray >it..can't fill the bathtub with rust dissolver......any other ideas....Don't >feel like spending a lot of time sanding.......Bob Conner..RCON7 Duro makes a product that neutralizes rust and leaves a painted surface. Home Depot has it and other brands similiar to it. Or, try Eastwood.com. They sell everything you can think for automobile restoration. They're a good bet to have a chemical spray to fit your needs...............D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29268	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

At 12:51 AM 1/20/04 +0000, you wrote: >I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" >page at: > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=35 > >I have a locomotive that I can't identify and was hoping someone in the >group could help. > >Thanks. > >Peg Looks like a early post war K-5 (310). Appears to have been re-sprayed in a few areas. too..............D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29269	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust?

I few years back I used to have a gun shop and did alot of blueing. The best bluing I found was a guy from Wisconsin developed it. It will go on even on piece that are not cleaned so will. It was remarkable stuff compared to the otters ect. way. It is a cold blue. You can probly do a search on the net and find it. You can tell by the discribtion you found it. It even does touch ups. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Richard Gehrig" <rgehrig@...> To: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...>, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How to remove rust? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:51:33 -0600 Been looking into this today... Found 2 BIODEGRADABLE liquid solutions to getting rid of rust (on track ties, metal rolling stock bottoms). 1) Evapo-rust: non-corrosive, no acids, solvents or bases I got this from my local Wally World... rather pricey, $6.88 for a 32 oz bottle. Instructions say to let rusted piece soak for 20 minutes; heavily rusted things for 24 hours. I soaked a hopelessly rusted track for about 30 minutes. Much to my surprise though, it actually works! The rust just seems to disappear as it soaks. On the down side, the paint on the track ties also disappeared. FWIW, I soaked the track piece in a 15" $1.97 plastic silverware divider/drawer. In other words, it appears to be safe on unpainted plastic. I then tried a gun "bluing" liquid. It did an okay job and would have worked a lot better on surfaces that were "completely" paint & rust-free; after the fact, I saw area's that could have been cleaned better. 2) Castrol Super Clean (tough task degreaser). BIODEGRADABLE <use with care ;) > This can be obtained at most auto parts stores, and Wally World. Wally World price was under $6 for a gallon. Full strength did an awesome job on cleaning the track ties... I let the tie soak in a glass pitcher for about 30 minutes. I rinsed the track well, and wiped it with a paper towel. The ties with lots of surface rust were surprisingly clean. Nice part was, for the 30 minute soaking I did, the black appearance did not disappear. The ties transformed from rust color to their original blue/black color. On the downside, a lot of surface rust remained on the track itself (which, IMO, is not an issue since I can quickly easily hit it some fine sand paper, or as marv d suggested, used "kingspor sandflex", a "rubber type eraser material"). I have used the Super Clean on other items as well. I started using it based on a post from here (somewhere). It is GREAT for removing paint on plastic items. So far I have used it on a horribly deteriorated AF 962 (Washington) Pass. car, chrome, with WONDERFUL results. It took the remainder of the chrome off and did not damage the plastic whatsoever. I also have used it on a cast loco including screws/driver linkage etc. with good results. The bottom line on today's exercise... Both methods worked, and gave more than satisfactory results on "rusted-beyond-belief" track sections. The Evapo-rust did a great job on the rails; the Bluing (Perma Blue by Birchwood Casey) did a good job on re-bluing the ties. This was time consuming though, and would not be efficient for a large project such as cleaning a hundred track sections. The Castrol Super Clean is my choice for this project at this point. It cleaned the ties wonderfully, and I did not have to re-blue them. It did not do a real great job on the rails (specifically, the rail TOPS, the sides seemed to come clean, or weren't as rusted); the rails, however, are easily cleaned via other methods. NOTE: USE CAUTION with the Castrol, it removes paint. So don't get it on any painted surfaces you don't want to repaint. Wear gloves, or you'll end up with hands that look & feel like they are 150 years old. I hope this helps. If anyone else has suggestions, please post them. *The results posted here are based on "my opinion". Individual results may vary. The products mentioned in this post were used outside their intended purposes, and may not be suitable for your project. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@... What do you use to get rid of rust on track, metal parts on freight cars, etc..? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29270	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: How to remove rust? & our moving update

> I am in the market for a glass beader. For track and related smaller hobby applications. Does anyone have any info on availabilty and cost?? Al Paolozzi<< _______________________________________________________________ Al -- I bought one about six months ago on eBay, a benchtop model which I think is the perfect size you're looking for. I think I used Buy-It- Now and it was $99. They're still offering it at that price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590084269 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29271	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

Hi all: Looking at the pictures of the loco, the wheels (black with no white walls) and the red window trim certainly look like a pre-war O gauge american flyer engine. Is it S or O gauge??? Have you tried it on some s scale track? The bottom of the engine has the two brass buttons indicating it would have to be a very early S gauge if it is S gauge. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) seekr2@... wrote: >I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" page at: > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=35 > >I have a locomotive that I can't identify and was hoping someone in the group could help. > >Thanks. > >Peg > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29272	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

Peg.... The subject in your pictures appears to be an early production 1946 #310. Observations, some previously stated by others 1. Early thin shank link coupler 2. Brass buttons on bottom of chassis 3. Hole in chassis between front & center drivers 4. White walls appear to have been painted, creating the "prewar" look. 5. Running gear has been replaced as I believe early locos should have hex head rivets. Hope this helps --Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29273	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

<<Subject: Re: AF Loco # ***((((I'm not sure I create my page properly but I've posted a "what-is-it?" page at:)))**** >> Repainted 1946 K-5, The thin-shank LC identifies it as 1946. Probably a 310 if it has no smoke unit, and no brass tube affixed to the inside of the smokestack. Tender shell is apparently not a SIT shell. Drivers and pilot wheels look like S, although they've been painted solid black, making them look more like pre-war, but the tread view looks S. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29274	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Engine #

Hi The chassis is from a 1946 310 or 312, The engine body could be either a 310(if the stack is not drilled out) ; or a 312 if it is.The linkage looks to be the early (46-47) channel type... The tender is either a 310 (no SIT hole), a later K5 tender shell, which was repainted... Its possible the date is still stamped inside the engine body, however not likely since its been painted...Keep in mind, with a 60 year old toy, its possible it was modified, or built from a parts box, I recently asked about a K5 body I have, without a slot in the top for the reverse lever (early model has the slot), or the mounting hole on the side for the later "L" linkage... still wondering about this one??? Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29275	From: keefer1	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: 466 pulling power

How many streamliners should a single motor Alco pull? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29276	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

Thanks to everyone for their replies to my question. The concensus of the group is that the locomotive in question is a 1946 #310. Now if I could just get it running.... Peg > I have a locomotive that I can't identify and was hoping someone in the group > could help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29277	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Loco #

At 10:55 AM 1/20/04 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all: >Looking at the pictures of the loco, the wheels (black with no white >walls) and the red window trim certainly look like a pre-war O gauge >american flyer engine. Is it S or O gauge??? Have you tried it on some >s scale track? The bottom of the engine has the two brass buttons >indicating it would have to be a very early S gauge if it is S gauge. >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) If you look at the second picture, you will see that they are 3 piece wheels not the solid metal, The whitewalls were painted or magic markered black. When it was repainted, on the engine, the railings were left on, the steam chest guides were not removed. The pilot markers have paint, as do the smoke box markers. The tender's draw bar has black as well as the journal boxes. The trucks under the fire box appear to have a shine. That looks like another hit with the magic marker. Various mounting screws for the linkage, rear truck, and tender, have black. Basically, this is a 310 with a less than perfect re-paint.....................D.D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29278	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: MAIL OFF TOPIC A BIT

Not to worry Thorin, My new mailman takes a nap in front of my house & forgets to deliver to me. I have to ask him everyday if there is mail for me. Sure enough there is. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29279	From: steve	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: american flyer switcher operation?

More questions: One of the peices I inherited is this switcher track. I do not have any good way to connect my transformer to the track, but it appears that the switcher track can act in that capacity, so far that has not worked. Is a switcher track supposed to just switch from one direction to the other or does it act as a constant stream of electricity to the trains as well? I dont have the control unit that goes with this piece either. Did'nt know it existed until I saw one on ebay. Also, If I hook up the light bulb part up, the thing starts to smoke. thanks for your input...again, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29280	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: american flyer switcher operation?

Without a pic, it sounds like you have a power switch track. This does not provide power to the track, rather it uses power to change directions via remote control, and includes a light as well. Sounds like you are new to model trains, welcome aboard and enjoy the fun! You might want to invest in a CD containing the old AF operating books in electronic format. Then you could have a set of the origional instructions for what you have - including names and part numbers for just about everything. I'm sure someone on this list can advise the best place to get such a CD. Or you can find paper origionals here and there at shows and shops. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29281	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Okay, here's another What Is It?

I've uploaded another thorny question for this knowledgable group. What is it? You can find it in "Photos" under "Phil K's Train Stuff." http//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Phil%2bK% 2btrain%2bstuff%26.src=gr%26.view=t Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29282	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, here's another What Is It?

See answer below There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Okay, here's another What Is It? > I've uploaded another thorny question for this knowledgable group. > > What is it? STRICTLY HOME MADE. > > You can find it in "Photos" under "Phil K's Train Stuff." > > > http//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Phil%2bK% > 2btrain%2bstuff%26.src=gr%26.view=t > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29283	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: What is it 2

Hi It looks like a cut down plastic Atlantic shell & chassis, made into an 0-4-0 switcher..... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29284	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, here's another What Is It?

Looks like a chopped up atlantic to me. -----Original Message----- From: waldootten [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Okay, here's another What Is It? I've uploaded another thorny question for this knowledgable group. What is it? You can find it in "Photos" under "Phil K's Train Stuff." http//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Phil%2bK% 2btrain%2bstuff%26.src=gr%26.view=t Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29285	From: waldootten	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: ANSWER: What is it?

Actually, other than some trainbutcher's extremely lame attempt at creating a yard switcher (there are no provisions for electric pickups, yet there is non-factory wiring and a small switch installed inside the cab -- go figure), this could be: A paperweight. Or a door stop for a train room. Anchor for a very small boat. The Little Engine That Couldn't. Got this piece as a gag Christmas Gift from a fellow collector. Just thought I'd have some fun in the wake of all the spec on the loco pics Peg posted the other day. Hope it made you smile. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29286	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: micro mark grit blaster

Anyone have any experiences with or knowledge of the Micro-mark grit blaster? I am considering getting one but thought i would ask this knowledgable group anyway. It is a small sand blaster like tool, that operates off of a shop vac rather than a compressor. Thought it might be useful for cleaning dirty or rusty parts and perhaps even track. Any info appreciated. Thanks Al Paolozzi, Nevada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29287	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: NEW ADDRESS

Here is my new E-Mail address anormal1@... Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore. 97501 Smoke Fluid CAIG T&M PRICE GUIDES

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29288	From: steve	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: american flyer switcher operation? Next question.

thanks, I can stop beating my head on the wall trying to get this to do something it doesn't now. and... yes i'm sure thats exactly what I have. So next question: what part number or name of the paticular item, do i need to connect my tranformet to my track. I have 2 transformers, a #1 1/2b and a #4b also: i'll look into that cd, thanks for the tip. steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > Without a pic, it sounds like you have a power switch track. This does not > provide power to the track, rather it uses power to change directions via > remote control, and includes a light as well. > > Sounds like you are new to model trains, welcome aboard and enjoy the fun! > > You might want to invest in a CD containing the old AF operating books in > electronic format. Then you could have a set of the origional instructions for > what you have - including names and part numbers for just about everything. I'm > sure someone on this list can advise the best place to get such a CD. Or you > can find paper origionals here and there at shows and shops. > > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29289	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/20/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power

At 08:29 AM 1/20/04 -0800, you wrote: >How many streamliners should a single motor Alco pull? Keith If they are original AF cars, four would be an optimistic number. Providing were talking plastic and not metal cars.........................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29290	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power

I don't know much, but here is what I have seen: I have a 21927 and it seems to pull 4 original passenger cars easily. I do keep the wheels lubed on the cars, and occasionally check the temperature of the drive truck. I don't really run any of my trains for very long though. I suspect that 20 minutes would be the longest steady speed operation that I would ever do. I have put 7 behind my 470,471,473 and it pulls them fine, but it seems to be more load than I would want to pull for more than a few minute run or so. (of course 470 is dual motor) Lubing the dummies is very important as they seem to me to be much more load than a passenger car. As an experiment I have hooked my 21927 up to this 7 passenger car + 2 dummies consist and it seems to pull it as easily as my 470, but around AF 180 corners the wheels slip on the single drive truck so I only made a circuit or two. (54" diameter curves make a pretty noticeable difference on a 180.) I had similar results with a 497 hooked up to the same set. Last while I was playing I hooked up a 21561 which only has one pullmore (it was this way when I got it) and it slipped so much I didn't pull the consist more than a few inches and decided not to continue with the punishment. Interestingly enough I have a 343 with the single lead worm S&S can motor and it will creep or run flat out with this complete consist like it isn't there. I hooked my AM Baldwin up to this and the only way it would pull them around a curve is if you had a run at it. (The motor was quite happy, but the wheel slippage was excessive. I didn't answer until now, because I was assuming someone with some more continuous operation experience might answer. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Donovan [mailto:riker@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:50 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 466 pulling power At 08:29 AM 1/20/04 -0800, you wrote: >How many streamliners should a single motor Alco pull? Keith If they are original AF cars, four would be an optimistic number. Providing were talking plastic and not metal cars.........................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29291	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: slot cars

Here's a bit of info you all may be interested in. After about a 15 year hiatus, my daughter has been bugging me to set up our HO slot car track so she and the grandkids can play with them. I started doing some internet research to see what is currently available for aftermarket parts and accessories for the cars. Lo and behold, there are many of the sites that show a switch from HO (1:87) slot cars to an UPGRADED 1:64 size! I haven't done enough looking yet to see how close they are actually to AF trains, but I will. It used to be a big thing when I was a kid to have the race cars interface with the trains. Made some big crashes I remember. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: slot cars

***(((a switch from HO (1:87) slot cars to an UPGRADED 1:64 size!)))*** My old HO cars seemed pretty close to 1/64th,...I'll have to dig them out,.....meaning to for quite a while now,..I posted QUITE a while back about setting up a drag strip or somethin' with them mixed in with my trains. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29293	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: 466 pulling power

There's a short movie of my 470 pulling a 471 and 473 with 29 or 30 freight cars at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun89 select MOV01998. Of course, my 350 Royal Blue will also pull them. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 466 pulling power > I don't know much, but here is what I have seen: > > I have a 21927 and it seems to pull 4 original passenger cars easily. I do > keep the wheels lubed on the cars, and occasionally check the temperature of > the drive truck. I don't really run any of my trains for very long though. I > suspect that 20 minutes would be the longest steady speed operation that I > would ever do. I have put 7 behind my 470,471,473 and it pulls them fine, > but it seems to be more load than I would want to pull for more than a few > minute run or so. (of course 470 is dual motor) Lubing the dummies is very > important as they seem to me to be much more load than a passenger car. > > As an experiment I have hooked my 21927 up to this 7 passenger car + 2 > dummies consist and it seems to pull it as easily as my 470, but around AF > 180 corners the wheels slip on the single drive truck so I only made a > circuit or two. (54" diameter curves make a pretty noticeable difference on > a 180.) > > I had similar results with a 497 hooked up to the same set. Last while I was > playing I hooked up a 21561 which only has one pullmore (it was this way > when I got it) and it slipped so much I didn't pull the consist more than a > few inches and decided not to continue with the punishment. > > Interestingly enough I have a 343 with the single lead worm S&S can motor > and it will creep or run flat out with this complete consist like it isn't > there. > > I hooked my AM Baldwin up to this and the only way it would pull them around > a curve is if you had a run at it. (The motor was quite happy, but the wheel > slippage was excessive. > > I didn't answer until now, because I was assuming someone with some more > continuous operation experience might answer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Donovan [mailto:riker@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:50 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 466 pulling power > > At 08:29 AM 1/20/04 -0800, you wrote: > >How many streamliners should a single motor Alco pull? Keith > > If they are original AF cars, four would be an optimistic number. > Providing were talking plastic and not metal > cars.........................D.D. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29294	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: TRP application

Neil: attached is a draft of the letter for your editing and signature. According to the TRP application, I need: • Role of Applicant’s Teaching in the Curriculum. Applicants should provide evidence of the role their teaching plays in meeting the instructional objectives of the department, program, or unit. This should be authoritative and may be, though not necessarily, prepared by a department head, program director, or other appropriate administrator. Please feel free to amend as you see fit. I will need this soon, the deadline is Feb. 1. Thanks - Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29295	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: OOPS!

Please delete what I just sent - I hit the wrong address on my send! Sorry - Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29296	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: K5

- GreetingS - The K5 in Peg's roundhouse looks like it has been around the block a few times. That should not keep it from running well. In the pix I did not see the pair of wires from the tender trucks to the plugboard under the cab roof. Perhaps they went directly to the motor. Wonder what happened to the reversing unit. Could someone have built it to run forward only or put in polarity reversing. Clearly the reverse lever no longer pokes thru the boiler top. First two things in checking a loco that does not run. Set the tender on the track, turn up the power, and see if current makes the trip from track up to the wires which go to the loco. A train lamp bulb is a good indicator if a voltmeter is not available. Tapping the wires together to get a spark is a distant third choice. Also, turn the loco upside down, reach up thru or around the trailing truck with your finger, and rotate the armature. How much? A full turn of the drivers in one direction, a quarter-turn minimum in the other direction. Put in the message something about what does work. This helps others in this wonderful group think more directly about what problems may still exist. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29297	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Engine #

John, I believe you have a '312' from 1948 with an AC motor and without an AC suffix on the cab. I'm repairing one right now. It has reverse in the tender and no 'L' crosshead guide. The steam chest and crosshead guide are like the '46 - '47 models. Don >Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:55:08 -0000 > From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> >Subject: Engine # >I recently asked about a K5 body I have, without a slot in the top >for the reverse lever (early model has the slot), or the mounting >hole on the side for the later "L" linkage... still wondering about >this one??? >Have fun >John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29298	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: "dead" section of track

I've been having problems of late with about a four foot section of my mainline. Both of my engines slow down big time through here. If it were one engine I would think it was the culprit but both struggle through here. The slow spot starts at a switch, which is less than two feet from a track clip. From here there is a straight section, a switch, three curves and another switch at which point both engines want to stall. From there everything is fine. I put the OHM meter to the rails every few inches and the current through this dead section is the same as it is throughout the mainline--in fact, it is consistent all the way around both loops. Where should I start in looking for the problem? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29299	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: "dead" section of track

solder the little clip in the switch that holds the short switch rail, to the rail. I mean whichever clip has a wire connected to it on the bottom of the switch. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29300	From: larryasp	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses

I have been having a bit of trouble with locomotive slowdowns on my tracks - American Flyer original track. Further away from the power source, the slower, and as it comes closer to the power source it speeds up - a bit annoying since the layout is slowly expanding. Ohms Law is at work here - longer track - more voltage drop etc. I got the idea that the joints - since they work loose, etc. were also part of the problem - made sure they were clean - tight - etc. - some improvement but still noticeable. So the idea came - maybe I should solder the joints together - making a better electrical contact. Before I do this - has anyone else done it and had better performance?? To further my idea, I brought home an Infared laser thermometer from work, and looked for heat rise on the track joints after running a 5 car passenger train around with a 290 for a few minutes - and its interesting - Each joint had a minimum heat rise of 1 - 2 degrees Farenheight and one switch joint as much as 3 degress - so one can assume Ohms law is at work on the joints too because of not so perfect or dirty contacts etc. (and I thought they were clean and tight) On a loop with 28 pieces of track - all the joints had some heat rise, so I figure that each joint (2 per piece) and a heat loss of 1 degree each could amount to a fair voltage drop and slowdown of equipment and that soldering the joints might not be a bad idea. Cant feel it by hand - but you can "see" it with the infared thermometer. I also suspect the Company's infared thermometer may find good use in my train layout from time to time. And the temperature rise in the lighted passenger cars rises a fair amount over the bulb area - I can see why so many New Haven passengers developed that warped hump in the middle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29301	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses

Larry, that was a really good idea. Those of us who don't have access to a device like that can just run a hand over the track after running trains for a while and at least pick up the hottest spots. Cleans the track, too! It is very common for Alco PA.s to develop cracks in the top area of the nose, and I think the light bulb heat plays a role in that too. These cracks grow from the inside out and are hard to see, but they are there. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29302	From: afherky	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Tracks - Power Losses

Back in the 1950's, I was at our major department store that sold American Flyers train, and also had a large factory layout. I also had the problem of my train slowing down on areas of the track, and I noticed that the factory had soldered short wires across the track joints from one track to the next. In the years that passed, I often thought of that and wondered if that was really what I had seen. Then a few years back, a friend of mine came up with a small 4X6 factory layout # 98 from around 1950 with all the correct printing and wire clips for hooking up the accessorys on the underneath side, and sure enough, there were those short wires soldered between some of the track sections. So low voltage is an old problem even with new track, and assembled at the factory.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29303	From: fnmichong	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: New AF by Lionel

Hi, The new 2004 AF is posted on Lionel's website. Website is http://www.lionel.com Go to Products, Product Navigator, and them American Flyer. The new items are on pages 9-13. What are your thoughts? Fay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29304	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW.................. I want the Crane.....and about 1000.00 more Bob Conner RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "fnmichong" <fnmichong@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New AF by Lionel > Hi, > > The new 2004 AF is posted on Lionel's website. > Website is http://www.lionel.com Go to > Products, Product Navigator, and them American Flyer. > The new items are on pages 9-13. > > What are your thoughts? > > Fay > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29305	From: John G	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: "dead" section of track

"beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > I've been having problems of late with about a four foot section of > my mainline. Both of my engines slow down big time through here. Try using an AC voltmeter and measure the voltage drop across each track joint. I did this once and found the problem in a couple of minutes. One track joint had about 3 volts drop across it due to a poor connection (ideally the voltage should be near zero with a good connection). Cleaned up the joint & bent the track pin and then it worked fine. To do this test, you do need an electric load in the dead section. I just put an engine in the dead section and turned the transformer voltage up just enough so the engine would not start running. You can even use this method to locate bad internal connections on switches. John Gasal ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29306	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: American Models new release

I stumbled across a new diesel that American Models has released, the U25b. You can find out more at their WEB site: http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/u25.html The list price is $209.95 for an AC Flyer version, with a dual set going for $399.95. The DC versions are $20 and $30 less, and they are available in various road names. There is no mention of sound with these, as is true of other AM diesels.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29307	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: 466 pulling power

Hi, I am currently pulling 6 passenger (plastic) cars behind my comet 466. Runs fine but add resistance in some of the tighter curves does slow it down a little. I do not run it up any grades. I have had this engine for 50 years, it never did pull well up hill. Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29308	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel - A HANDCAR !!!!!!

I have wondered for a long time why no one did a Handcar. Well its on the website as an item for delivery in 2004. Its number 741 and comes with a shed. I wonder whether the motors will operate smoother and run cooler? Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29309	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

In a message dated 01/21/2004 10:16:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, fnmichong@... writes: Hi, The new 2004 AF is posted on Lionel's website. Website is http://www.lionel.com Go to Products, Product Navigator, and them American Flyer. The new items are on pages 9-13. What are your thoughts? Well, one certainly can't complain the "L" has abandoned American Flyer with all that neat looking stuff, can they. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29310	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel - A HANDCAR !!!!!!

In a message dated 01/21/2004 10:37:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I have wondered for a long time why no one did a Handcar. Well its on the website as an item for delivery in 2004. Its number 741 and comes with a shed. I wonder whether the motors will operate smoother and run cooler? Earl Henry Nashville, TN You can count on it Earl It will have a can motor in it. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29311	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF / Lionel HANDCAR

....but will it reverse? Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29312	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

My thoughts? Well, the current crop of managers at Lionel certainly seems to be attempting a serious go of AF. Of course, virtually all of the freightcars are reissued Gilbert. Still, the choices Lionel made are wiser than past offerings. The brightest spot of course, is the 2-8-2 steamer, a truly significant development. The steam guys among us must be suffering considerably waiting for the thing. Since I'm not primarily a steam guy (I'm a "modern" guy), my buying priorities lay elsewhere. What would I have preferred to the mike? Well, the SD40 would have been nice... :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29313	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

Ok so, I hate to look stupid again so soon but, here goes. So, I see this ad on e-bay, iv'e seen it on there for a while now. It says "S scale 1/64 vehicles" or something to that effect. Having recently been told that S scale is 1/32, this puzzles me but, I dont know 1/32 from 1/64 so what can I say, it must be close to the same size , right? So, I went down to my local walmart and took a look at some models there to get an idea of what size is what. Seems most models are 1/24 scale, obviously not the right size. Then I make a discovery, 1/64 is the size of a regular matchbox or hotwheels car. ok now, I'm not good with judjing sizes, just ask my wife, but... I don't think a matchbox car is the same scale as an S gauge af train, Is it? I found a couple of 1/32 vehicles there at walmart, 1 was a diecast 40's red ford and was selling for $1.97, it seemed alot bigger than the matchbox cars, but then I'm really not a good judge. Is there a trick to sizing I don't know about, or just a trick to selling on e-bay i'm not familiar with, like fraud. I appologise for whomever I might have pissed off this time, in advance. Happy training, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29314	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

Ok, Ive done some more looiking into it and now I get to reply to myself before anyone else gets to. I claim Ignorance! Enlighten me, please. how bout this idea.. is there a difference between 1/64 and 1:64 is that the deal? See below to understand, or at least, to make an attempt to understand these ramblings. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@y...> wrote: > Ok so, I hate to look stupid again so soon but, > here goes. > So, I see this ad on e-bay, iv'e seen it on there for a while now. > It says "S scale 1/64 vehicles" or something to that effect. > Having recently been told that S scale is 1/32, this puzzles me but, > I dont know 1/32 from 1/64 so what can I say, it must be close to the > same size , right? > So, I went down to my local walmart and took a look at some models > there to get an idea of what size is what. > Seems most models are 1/24 scale, obviously not the right size. > Then I make a discovery, 1/64 is the size of a regular matchbox or > hotwheels car. > ok now, I'm not good with judjing sizes, just ask my wife, but... > I don't think a matchbox car is the same scale as an S gauge af > train, Is it? > I found a couple of 1/32 vehicles there at walmart, 1 was a diecast > 40's red ford and was selling for $1.97, it seemed alot bigger than > the matchbox cars, but then I'm really not a good judge. > > Is there a trick to sizing I don't know about, or just a trick to > selling on e-bay i'm not familiar with, like fraud. > > I appologise for whomever I might have pissed off this time, in > advance. > > Happy training, > > steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29315	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

Things are looking a bit better! I would like to see a SD40 also painted in Canadian Pacific . A new steamer?(new Mikado looks to fragile) How about a 336 re-issue! I do think that Lionel seems to be trying, with this years offerings. I sure like the GN electric! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New AF by Lionel > My thoughts? > > Well, the current crop of managers at Lionel certainly seems to be > attempting a serious go of AF. > > Of course, virtually all of the freightcars are reissued Gilbert. > Still, the choices Lionel made are wiser than past offerings. > > The brightest spot of course, is the 2-8-2 steamer, a truly > significant development. The steam guys among us must be suffering > considerably waiting for the thing. Since I'm not primarily a steam > guy (I'm a "modern" guy), my buying priorities lay elsewhere. > > What would I have preferred to the mike? Well, the SD40 would have > been nice... :^) > > > > Chuck F. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29316	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

> - A HANDCAR !!!!!! Need as an option to add the three ore cars and we'd all be back to the 50's. I like all of the NYC options... I bet Carl does too. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29317	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: New AF by Lionel

It's great to see new things in the catalog, but when (if ever) will we be able to buy them (ala the Mikado)? Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29318	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Musings and Responses

On the subject of AF pulling power, the Gilbert (and even the Lionel) American Flyer cars are notorious for the amount of drag that they have. Putting Ace bushings in the KC (sintered iron sideframe) trucks improves their "rollability" considerably, but still does not make them come close to the current offerings by S-Helper Service, American Models, and even the new K-Line S gauge cars. BTW, that train pulling 30+ cars has a consist that appears to be made up of primarily non-AF cars. As to the voltage drop on the track, try putting some slight pressure on the track when you take your voltage measurements. You could have a loose tie tab or insulator which provides for a slight (arcing) short when there is a load on the track. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29319	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

Steve.....!/64 scale is also the same as 3/16" scale...it takes 64 x 3/16 to equal 1 foot which is full size....if you put 64 cars end to end they would add up to a full size car.......... 12" = 1/1 "Real" guage Fullsize 6" = 1/6 or 1/2 full size 1" = 1/12 or 1/12 full size 1/2" = 1/24 "G" guage LGB size 3/8" = 1/32 "G" guage as made by MTH, Charles Ro, Etc 1/4" = 1/48 "O" guage...I know true is 17/64 3/16" = 1/64 "S" guage....AF Etc. 1/8" = 1/96 "HO" guage...actually around 3.5 mm..but close 1/16" = 1/192 "N" guage roughly tip...fold a 100.00 bill in 1/2 it will equal a 16'-2" long car Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29320	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

Bob, Please send me several $100.00 bills ASAP so I can test your helpful tip!!!! BG1 (ROFLOL) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Steve.....!/64 scale is also the same as 3/16" scale...it takes 64 x 3/16 to > equal 1 foot which is full size....if you put 64 cars end to end they would > add up to a full size car.......... > > > 12" = 1/1 "Real" guage Fullsize > 6" = 1/6 or 1/2 full size > 1" = 1/12 or 1/12 full size > 1/2" = 1/24 "G" guage LGB size > 3/8" = 1/32 "G" guage as made by MTH, Charles Ro, Etc > 1/4" = 1/48 "O" guage...I know true is 17/64 > 3/16" = 1/64 "S" guage....AF Etc. > 1/8" = 1/96 "HO" guage...actually around 3.5 mm..but close > 1/16" = 1/192 "N" guage roughly > > tip...fold a 100.00 bill in 1/2 it will equal a 16'-2" long car > > Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29321	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

To expand on the previous post... 3/16" = 1' in S 3/16" when represented in decimal form is .1875" or 3 divided by 16 So .1875 inches in the model = 1 foot on the full size prototype. 1 foot is 12 inches. So .1875 inches in the model = 12 inches in the full size prototype. 12 inches divided by .1875 = 64 Which means 1 inch in the model = 64 inches in the full size prototype. 1:64 means the same thing as 1/64 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters > Steve.....!/64 scale is also the same as 3/16" scale...it takes 64 x 3/16 to > equal 1 foot which is full size....if you put 64 cars end to end they would > add up to a full size car.......... > > > 12" = 1/1 "Real" guage Fullsize > 6" = 1/6 or 1/2 full size > 1" = 1/12 or 1/12 full size > 1/2" = 1/24 "G" guage LGB size > 3/8" = 1/32 "G" guage as made by MTH, Charles Ro, Etc > 1/4" = 1/48 "O" guage...I know true is 17/64 > 3/16" = 1/64 "S" guage....AF Etc. > 1/8" = 1/96 "HO" guage...actually around 3.5 mm..but close > 1/16" = 1/192 "N" guage roughly > > tip...fold a 100.00 bill in 1/2 it will equal a 16'-2" long car > > Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29322	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Nice item on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3170769288&category=480&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Will it go for four digits!?!?!? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29323	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: K5 Repair

I have begun to dissect this K5. The wires from the tender to the cab roof are original and intact. Current was being received but the loco just wouldn't run. The armature turns freely and does not seem to be the problem. My problem might lie in the brush bracket assembly. Rather than having brush springs and clips, this loco has a pair of tensioned thin springs holding the shouldered screws in place. One of the brass connector/wire assemblies that insert in the brush bracket assembly (and make electrical contact at the armature?) was loose, the spring having spronged out of place. In attempting to reset the spring to hold the brass connector (a tube-shaped sleeve that fits around and over the shouldered screw), I snapped off the solder connection to the wire. Back to the drawing board. My two questions here are: Should the seated end of the shouldered screw be flat? Mine is worn to a bevel where the screw rests against the armature. Can I replace the tension springs with brush springs and caps? They'd be easier to "install". Just so you don't get any wild ideas, I only *sound* like I know what I'm doing. I have no elctrical or repair background. I'm basing my diagnosis on simple observation and an illustrated parts list diagram. And I'm being brave because I know I have Doug Peck about 40 miles away. :) Peg > The K5 in Peg's roundhouse looks like it has been around the block ... > In the pix I did not see the pair of wires from the tender trucks to the > plugboard under the cab roof. > Clearly the reverse lever no longer pokes thru the boiler top. > > First two things in checking a loco that does not run... see if current makes > the trip from track up to the wires which go to the loco. > Also, turn the loco upside down, reach up thru or around the trailing > truck with your finger, and rotate the armature. How much? A full > turn of the drivers in one direction, a quarter-turn minimum in the > other direction. > > Put in the message something about what does work. This helps others > in this wonderful group think more directly about what problems may > still exist. > > CheerS, > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29324	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: New AF by Lionel

agree that it looks like Lionel is trying, but they are doing today what they needed to do 10 or even 20 years ago.  They have only recently produced their passenger car sets in NYC and anyone in the gauge could have told them in 1980 that they should do the set in both NYC and Pennsy (not that I would have purchased them).  They could have pretty much locked up the hi rail market if they had just made their items more plentiful.  Today, not only have they lost their monopoly power, but also their competitive advantage in locomotives and rolling stock.  Except for the collector, both locomotives and rolling stock are inferior to the quality of SHS and AM even though most of the items are priced higher.  Why would anyone ever buy a new American Flyer PA when they could purchase a much better quality American Models AB or ABA.  Or why would they pay $54 for a new boxcar when they can purchase a much better one for $39.95 from SHS and even less from AM?  And the American Flyer streamlined passenger cars will never be competitive again vs. the AM Budds?  Plus both AM and SHS make their products available in a wide variety of roadnames. I am glad to see the handcar and the accessories being made available again, and anything loved by Flyer fans that is unique.  And its great that they are coming out with the new steam loco.  But they had to procede along those lines because they have lost their ability to compete in their traditional product line.               Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29325	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 1:64

- GreetingS - Steve, you are on the right track. In fact, (4'8")/64 is 7/8", approx. our S track gauge. Another way of looking at it notes that prototypes such as the P-60 (60' passenger) or the 65' mill gondola scale down to about 1' in S gauge. Anyone telling you that 32' in real life is 1' in S scale does not know what he is talking about, is trying to pull a fast one on you, or has not yet mastered 3rd grade arithmetic. Regarding model autos: 16' is a typical auto length in real life. 16'/64 is 1/4' or 3" in S scale. Hope you and others have good hunting in the realm of model cars. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29326	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters

Glad too Bull....Can I send it COD.......There is 3.85 for postage and 150.00 for packing and shipping.....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 1/64 S scale 1/32 S scale Size Matters > Bob, > > Please send me several $100.00 bills ASAP so I can test your helpful > tip!!!! > > BG1 (ROFLOL) > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > Steve.....!/64 scale is also the same as 3/16" scale...it takes 64 > x 3/16 to > > equal 1 foot which is full size....if you put 64 cars end to end > they would > > add up to a full size car.......... > > > > > > 12" = 1/1 "Real" guage Fullsize > > 6" = 1/6 or 1/2 full size > > 1" = 1/12 or 1/12 full size > > 1/2" = 1/24 "G" guage LGB size > > 3/8" = 1/32 "G" guage as made by MTH, Charles Ro, Etc > > 1/4" = 1/48 "O" guage...I know true is 17/64 > > 3/16" = 1/64 "S" guage....AF Etc. > > 1/8" = 1/96 "HO" guage...actually around 3.5 mm..but close > > 1/16" = 1/192 "N" guage roughly > > > > tip...fold a 100.00 bill in 1/2 it will equal a 16'-2" long car > > > > Bob Conner RCON7 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29327	From: vickiec40403	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: 466 brushes

Help, I give up trying to replace brushes on my diesel, was told to solder the brush to the holder strap, whats the secret I cannot get the brush to tin do I need to use acid core first to tin then rosin to solder to holder. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29328	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: Nice item on eBay

A little over priced. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29329	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Nice item on eBay

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29330	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /SCALE LIST.pdf Uploaded by : sbear17901 <john.foley16@...> Description : S Scale List for sale You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/SCALE%20LIST.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, sbear17901 <john.foley16@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29331	From: John A Foley	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: S Scale for sale

Hi Folks A friend of mine, Gregg Spence is selling off some of his S scale equipment. Most is not available any more and are brand new. Some nice B&O heavy weights included. It's in the files section under S Scale List. It's a PDF format so I think most folks should not have a problem with it. Any questions ask Gregg. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29332	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing

Thanks for all the responce to my confused last post on this. I got lots of information and it seems like its a difficult issue for those without real good math skills. Anyway, The jist i'm getting is that the matchbox size is roughly, if not exact, the scale for american flyer S scale. However, It still doesnt look right to me. I can't imagine the siloettes of the people in my passenger cars fitting into a matchbox size car. it seems like it should be bigger. Are the people in the siloettes out of scale with the train, or do I just have a bad eye for this stuff? Thanks, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29333	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing

Steve, I may be wrong but I have found that matchbox cars will vary in scale, I'm looking at 2 on my desk right now that have 1:52 on the front axle. A couple of others have no scale on them and they are much larger than the others. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing > Thanks for all the responce to my confused last post on this. > I got lots of information and it seems like its a difficult issue for > those without real good math skills. > Anyway, The jist i'm getting is that the matchbox size is roughly, if > not exact, the scale for american flyer S scale. > > However, It still doesnt look right to me. I can't imagine the > siloettes of the people in my passenger cars fitting into a matchbox > size car. it seems like it should be bigger. > Are the people in the siloettes out of scale with the train, or do I > just have a bad eye for this stuff? > > Thanks, > steve > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29334	From: David Engle	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing

It is my understanding that Matchbox vehicles vary in scale so they caN use the same size wheels on them. Heard that several years ago--anything to it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29335	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Crossing Gate

Greetings to all! The Highway Flashers and Semaphore are woring well! The Semaphore is fun to operate!Now to the Crossing Gate. Working with two seperate loops,each powered with its own transformer that are phased. What is the best way to hook this up so that both trains will work the "gate"? A control button, a pressure trip under a track in each loop or .....? Thanks for your input! Best, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29336	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Worried.....

Howdy fellow members ...I was wondering if anyone here on this list knows about Tom Seccia...he runs SSSTrains.....he is a parts dealer on e bay ..??????..I won a buy it now auction late last Nov...I sent and paid for the win...on Dec 28/03 He contacted me by e mail and apologized for not getting my package mailed ..due to busy Xmas season....OK I waited ...and waited ...and in the last 2 weeks have again sent muliple e mails to him ....No Response...I dont like to slag anyone ...he may be on vacation ..or sick ..or out of town...So now I ask have any of you guys heard anything ..or know anything ...Please let me know ...I dont like to Slag anyone on e bay needlesly...the last thing I want to do is leave bad feedback ...he doesnt have any at the present time ..Thanx Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29338	From: steve	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: whats a remote control unit on a 307 do? how do i get my 307 to st

it seems like there should be a spring or something on the fron wheel rivet, or maybe some kind of weight. the loco seems back heavy and dearails constantly. I do not have my rails firmly sucured yet, I havent figured out the best way to do that, I dont even have any of the track clips. thanks steve I'll slowly be asking the most basic of questions until I know everything :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29339	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2004
Subject: Re: whats a remote control unit on a 307 do? how do i get my 307 t

Steve, This is a common malady of the 307. ACG tried different "cures" for it, from putting the pull-mor wheels up front to (finally) riveting some weights on the front of the chassis. Adding weight here is my best suggestion. You can carefully wind a cone spring, as used on the other locos, onto the front truck rivet without taking the truck assembly apart (but you will have to take it out of the locomotive!) and that will help that problem a lot. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29340	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing

David wrote: >It is my understanding that Matchbox vehicles vary in scale so they >caN use the same size wheels on them. Heard that several years ago-- >anything to it? I've heard that too, and there may some truth to it, but it doesn't seem to apply in many cases. For example, I have a Matchbox (Mattel) '70 El Camino in front of me that says "1/69" on the bottom. I also have another example of the same casting with larger, more elaborate wheels and tires. BOTH wheel types are too big for the vehicle as it is. Had Mattel made the body casting to 1/64 scale exactly, it would have matched the tires much more closely. It would not have made the vehicle prohibitively large (too big for Matchbox accessories) either. So why didn't they make it 1/64 instead of 1/69? Why crank out any replica at such an odd ratio? Who knows? There are a couple diecast makers who put "1/64 scale" on their packaging, but the vehicles are definitely NOT 1/64. I sure wish some diecast company whould make vehicles consistently in true 1/64 scale, whatever the prototype dimensions. 'Til then, we'll all be forced to do a lot of "forced perspective" where road vehicles are concerned, I guess. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29341	From: Robert Wight	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....

Ive purchased from him a few times. Pretty nice fellow. One of the better ones. Maybe hes sick or something. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Worried..... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:46:43 -0000 Howdy fellow members ...I was wondering if anyone here on this list knows about Tom Seccia...he runs SSSTrains.....he is a parts dealer on e bay ..??????..I won a buy it now auction late last Nov...I sent and paid for the win...on Dec 28/03 He contacted me by e mail and apologized for not getting my package mailed ..due to busy Xmas season....OK I waited ...and waited ...and in the last 2 weeks have again sent muliple e mails to him ....No Response...I dont like to slag anyone ...he may be on vacation ..or sick ..or out of town...So now I ask have any of you guys heard anything ..or know anything ...Please let me know ...I dont like to Slag anyone on e bay needlesly...the last thing I want to do is leave bad feedback ...he doesnt have any at the present time ..Thanx Edward G. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29342	From: xitter1224	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....

All his negatives, and there are more than a few, are primarily for not shipping the goods. He also has a web site with a phone number, maybe you should try giving him a call. I think you should give him every opportunity to make thing right, before you give him a negative. Maybe he did ship it and it got lost? Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@t...> wrote: > Howdy fellow members ...I was wondering if anyone here on this list > knows about Tom Seccia...he runs SSSTrains.....he is a parts dealer > on e bay ..??????..I won a buy it now auction late last Nov...I sent > and paid for the win...on Dec 28/03 He contacted me by e mail and > apologized for not getting my package mailed ..due to busy Xmas > season....OK I waited ...and waited ...and in the last 2 weeks have > again sent muliple e mails to him ....No Response...I dont like to > slag anyone ...he may be on vacation ..or sick ..or out of town...So > now I ask have any of you guys heard anything ..or know > anything ...Please let me know ...I dont like to Slag anyone on e > bay needlesly...the last thing I want to do is leave bad > feedback ...he doesnt have any at the present time ..Thanx Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29343	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: slot cars

Thought I'd post a little more info on 1/64 slot cars. I did a bunch more searching on the subject and found that the HO cars were originally that size back in the 60's & early 70's. They gradually increased in size to what they are now calling 1/64. A lot of the people use the term HO and 1/64 synonomously. The cars I have seem to be just like the Hotwheels, Johnny Lightning, etc. die cast stuff in that the sizes vary all over the place. I have not found any pre- made crossing that would allow the cars to cross the S tracks like there was available for the old HO tracks. I may take a look at trying to figure something out for this. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing

I started collecting Hot Wheels, etc. back in '96, before I blew the dust off my Flyer trains! The scales never seemed to match up......partly due to trying to use the same wheel base for all vehicles. The '50's Vette put out by Racing Champions looked as big as their '55 Chevy!! Actually bigger!! Some of the more collectable (more $$'s) Hot Wheels put out today, are more of a "true" 1/64th I believe. JOhnny Lightning put out a little Vette,...looks more to scale compared to a larger 1/64th car. The RC's also varied the sizes, listed them on the package,....1/62- 1/64-1/58, etc. etc. etc. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29345	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Worried.....

Perhaps his computer is down. Try calling Tom at 610/2969428. He has always come through for me. Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29346	From: trombonelover1	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Does anyone know about the file that seems to be a list of Russ Mob

Does anyone know about the file that seems to be a list of Russ Mobley's stuff? I get the impression that his things are for sale. If they are, who do I contact if interested? Is the list up to date? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29347	From: firex43	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 4 Wheel Lead Truck Derailments

I have had a similar problem with a 350 Royal Blue derailing the pilot truck while running. The truck spring was fine but could not apply enough force to keep the truck from derailing. The fix that I tried uses stick on weights for either HO trains or similar for soap box derby cars. The weights are applied to the underside of the truck allowing clearance by not extending below the height of the truck axles. A quick and invisible as well. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29348	From: fnmichong	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: New Lionel Catalog

Hi, I just noticed that the Lionel Classic Trains Volume 1 2004 catalog is posted at their website. Fay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29349	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 4 wheel lead truck derailments

The sheet metal pilot trucks on Royal Blue and some Atlantic type Flyer locos often perform better when filled with a lead weight, which can be glued in place with ACC. The weight seems to work best when it is shaped so that it does not touch the axles, and if the rivet is the loose type, the rivet tip. For you new guys, there are many different sizes of lead fishing sinkers. When weighting rolling stock, just choose the sinker of the correct size and shape it by hammering. If you absolutely have to cut it, do that with a hammer and an old chisel. Lead dust is so toxic that you don't ever want to saw or file it, yet it is easy to form to a precise shape, because it is so soft. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29350	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: "L" catalog

I just got the print catalog. Here are the list prices: 583A $249.99 785 $149.99 741 $ 99.99 771 $149.99 23830 $ 69.99 755 $199.99 789 $129.99 787 $129.99 774 $ 99.99 773 $ 59.99 NP reefer $ 49.99 NYC flat w/reel $ 59.99 Campbell's tank car $ 54.99 NYC crane car $ 69.99 NYC boom car $ 49.99 SP boxcar $ 49.99 GN bulkhead flat $ 49.99 Hooker 3 dome $ 49.99 PFE piggyback $ 49.99 Nesquick tank car $ 54.99 Westside Lumber Moe & Joe $ 69.99 PRR searchlight car $ 69.99 ATSF walking breakman $ 69.99 NYC Mikado $599.99 NYC caboose $ 49.99 NYC Baldwin $249.99 GN electric $249.99 GN animated caboose $ 69.99 And the Southern Work Train, with SR Baldwin, SR hopper, SR wheel flat, SR crane car, and SR boom car. set price $449.99 So, yes, it does look like at long last the people who now run "Big L" are trying to make some money from the AF line. Too little ?? Too late ?? Only time will tell. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29351	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29352	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: 1/64 scale cars

Many of the miniature die-cast vehicle makers use what I call the 3" scale. Ertl, Racing Champs, Matchbox, etc... all do the same thing. As someone pointed out earlier, a car is typically 16' in length, or about 3" long. The manufacturers package all of their vehicles in some sort of box, blister pack, etc which is designed to fit a 3" car - so all of the cars are scaled to fit the box. For the most part, this is acceptable and creates a varying scaled vehicle from about 1:54 to about 1:69 - close enough for government work. To see the point, look at a 1933 Willies from Racing Champs and compare it to the 1957 Cadillac Eldorado - both are about 3" long, but I think the Willies was about 14' long in real life, and of course the Eldorado almost 19'. >Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:49:22 -0000 > From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> >Subject: RE: more questions on the 1/64 S scale thing > >David wrote: > > >It is my understanding that Matchbox vehicles vary in scale so they > >caN use the same size wheels on them. Heard that several years ago-- > >anything to it? > > >I've heard that too, and there may some truth to it, but it doesn't >seem to apply in many cases. For example, I have a Matchbox >(Mattel) '70 El Camino in front of me that says "1/69" on the bottom. >I also have another example of the same casting with larger, more >elaborate wheels and tires. BOTH wheel types are too big for the >vehicle as it is. Had Mattel made the body casting to 1/64 scale >exactly, it would have matched the tires much more closely. It would >not have made the vehicle prohibitively large (too big for Matchbox >accessories) either. So why didn't they make it 1/64 instead of 1/69? >Why crank out any replica at such an odd ratio? Who knows? > >There are a couple diecast makers who put "1/64 scale" on their >packaging, but the vehicles are definitely NOT 1/64. I sure wish some >diecast company whould make vehicles consistently in true 1/64 scale, >whatever the prototype dimensions. 'Til then, we'll all be forced to >do a lot of "forced perspective" where road vehicles are concerned, I >guess. > >Chuck F. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29353	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Lionel & 1/64th SCALE???

How about the trucks that the big"L" says are 1/64th or 3/16th. Then the same truck in another box claims to be perfect for "027". Same exact truck different box. Mike PS: I may have missed something there. Please let me know if I'm in error ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29354	From: William Lange	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: ]Worried.....

Edward, I was in Tom's shop about 3 weeks ago and I concur with the others, he strikes me as a great guy. And as I recall Earl's speculation was indeed correct, he was complaining about his e-mail servcie and his computer. Give him a call at 610-296-9428, I believe he's generally in the shop between 4:00 and 8:00pm Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29355	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel & 1/64th SCALE???

Michael Strickland wrote: >How about the trucks that the big"L" says are 1/64th or 3/16th. Then >the same truck in another box claims to be perfect for "027". Same >exact truck different box. The Lionel highway tractor is a pretty accurate 1/64 scale Kenworth cab and frame, with a wheel track that is slightly wide. It appears to resemble replicas made by Shinsei and others years ago. The trailers are closer to S than to 0 scale. They're in the ballpark in length for about 45 scale feet, but the width is over 9 scale feet. (8.5' is the current max width allowable on U.S. highways, if I'm not mistaken.) The width error may not be objectionable to some but it bugs me. I find the discrepancy quite obvious when properly scaled trailers are nearby. Also, the trailer "containers" ride way too high on their frames. Kinda clumsy looking. Of course, when an 0 gauge maker states that something is "perfect for 0-27", it can mean many things, most of which have little to do with correct scale proportions. ;^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29356	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Vehicles for S

After all the discussion about diecast cars (Matchbox, Hot Wheels, etc.) usable for S scale layouts, I though it might help to post pix of items I have found useful on the C+D System. They can be found on Paul Yorke's site at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo01 An attempt was made to capture these vehicles at a consistent angle. A 6'4" tall human figure is included in each view to provide a scale reference. The stated scale of each vehicle is listed when given by the manufacturer. I apologize for the uneven color balance in some of the pix. These shots were taken over several months, and the monitor I began with was a bit "iffy". It also took me a while to decide on a preferred light source. Five cars start off the album, and I'll try to post several more each day until the 250 or so pix I have are all there. Many thanx to Paul for establishing that site! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29357	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: J & L Tank car painting special FREE FREE FREE

Hi All, To celebrate the grand reopening of Lanes Trains, I am offering to paint, decal, and weather your neglected Jones and Laughlin tank car for FREE*. Yes, it will look something like this when it is done. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/J_L_Tank.jpg I did some detail rework on mine, but you get the idea. And it is all a free paint job. Of course there is the fine print and rebate legal disclaimers somewhere. Oh yes, here it is. *Offer available only if the decals are purchased from Lanes Trains at the time of painting. Email Bill for the current pricing of this very difficult to find decal set. Any brass repair will be an additional charge Thanks, Bill Lane Lanes Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29358	From: doug	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 AF

We now have the 2004 line posted and illustrated on our website as well, along with early-order pricing information. We are now accepting reservations. Not sure yet what the early-order deadline will be (when we have to submit OUR order to Lionel), but we're assuming it is mid-to-late February, until we hear differently. <<< I just noticed that the Lionel Classic Trains Volume 1 2004 catalog is posted at their website. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29359	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: B & O Light Mike

Hi All, Here are a few photos of my just finished S Scale USRA Light Mike. The rods are down. What a roster shot! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/B_and_O_Light_Mike.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/B_and_O_Light_Mike2.jpg Unfortunately, it is not mine. I am delivering it to my customer today at the Timonium Md. Train show. If I were a little better off, I would just hand him a check and keep it! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29360	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: steam drivers

As anyone tried using MTH Railking replacement stream drivers on an ACG steamer? I was looking at one of my Atlantics and thought the drivers could be a larger diameter for better appearance. Some of the smaller diameter MTH drivers might be close to S scale 80" or whatever. I really like the open spoke look of the AM steamers (maybe AM's drivers would work). This is just for fun, I am not a scaler. I realize the pistons might need to be replaced, but that's all part of the fun. Might look neat. Any thoughts? Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29361	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: steam drivers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > As anyone tried using MTH Railking replacement stream drivers on an ACG steamer? I was looking at one of my Atlantics and thought the drivers could be a larger diameter for better appearance. Some of the smaller diameter MTH drivers might be close to S scale 80" or whatever. I really like the open spoke look of the AM steamers (maybe AM's drivers would work). This is just for fun, I am not a scaler. I realize the pistons might need to be replaced, but that's all part of the fun. Might look neat. > > Any thoughts? > > Tom Stoltz > Our lives as S gaugers would be a lot easier if this weren't the case, but I think nearly all 3-rail O gauge drivers are uninsulated. Because 3-rail outside rails are on the same electrical circuit (center rail carries the other), there is no need for drivers on the same axle to be insulated. I probably would have re-gauged a K-Line Big Boy by now if not for the non-insulated driver problem. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29362	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Adding pictures to classified ads.

More than one of you has asked about adding pictures to calssified ads. Well I have some great news. YES you can! To see a simple example go to http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php?op=viewAdverts&cat_id=65&cat_name=Other or http://s-scale.org -> Classified Ads -> Other It is a matter of adding html to the ad, similar to Ebay. In the example I used one of the guys albums. For the thumbnail Icopied in the URL of the thumbnail. Made it a link and made the target of the link the picture one would see if they clicked the thumbnail while in the photo album. I put some instructions at http://S-Scale.org -> Adding Links to Ads or http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=21&page_id=36 One step involves coping the URL of the thumbnail, I don't see how to do that in IE, sorry, I used Mozilla. I can suggest you download mozilla, it is free, and it never hurts to have an alternate browser, it also has a great web page editor built in. Most of my pages are created using it. It also can be used to make more involved classified ads or ebay ads. Get it at http://mozilla.org/ I suggest you stick to using thumbnails, otherwise that cranky webmaster will be on your case. Also I suggest you post a simple ad first to get the hang of it, then get a bit fancy. I even added a category called TEST for testing and learning how to post ads. If you have ideas , need help or a Photo Album, let me know. Enjoy! ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29363	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Looking for.....

Does anyone have a current e-mail address for Mike Farner out of Kentucky? Thanks ahead of time.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29364	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: Worried

Just be patient. I ordered some stuff from him a many years back and it took over two years to get everything. Many excuses were made but he never ignored me. In the end, everything was made right. Call and talk to him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: 1/64 scale cars

One more time.......use the 100.00 ruler in your pocket!!!! If you fold the bill longways...so the face side is up the end of the bill is 7'-0" in "S" scale....the green portion...ignore the white boarder is 6'-0".... the end of the bill is 14'-0"........folded in half the other way is 16'-0" ........... so take the bill folded longways..using the green......you have a 6'-0" tall man!!!!!! hold it beside the car and see how it looks compared to the real thing you have seen at one time or another.... ........... I won't go into Artistic License......... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29366	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: New museum in Virginia

A new museum has opened to honor O. Winston Link who photographed trains and RR towns. It is located in the 1905 N&W passenger station in Roanoke, Virginia. When somebody visits, let me know whether it would be worth the trip. Web site: www.linkmuseum.org Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29367	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII

The last of the videos and DVDs that we have received orders for were shipped yesterday, Jan. 23. Thanks to all that ordered. We still have a lot of them left. Also some of Volumes 1 through 6. (VHS tape only) Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29368	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Worried....???....Maybe Not....

Thanx Guys for all the response...Maybe its coincidence or maybe someone out there mentioned something in the right ear ....BUT..I recieved an e mail today...........it reads Hi Ed, Sorry about the delay. Thought I had sent your package two weeks ago. I've been having some problems with my computer and I haven't returned any e mails for about 10 days. I will have your package out to you Monday 1/26/04. Since I'm paying the S&H, I'll get it to you the fastest way. Tom OK ...Patience is a Virtue ....I WAIT... Thanx again....Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29369	From: Tim	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: New year's greetings

Hi all, A belated happy new year to all us Flyer "monkies"!!! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29370	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] B & O Light Mike

Bill, Really great work. Thanks for the pix! Any chance of getting a rear tender shot sent out? Unfortunately, Lionel is going to mount a tender light on the TOP of their tender being built in S Guage which is probably NOT B&O proto, right? Best regards, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29371	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Announcing my new website (:->)

Hi All, Announcing for the first time publicly www.LanesTrains.com I am doing this full time as a living so I can't sit on your piece until the mood strikes me. I was painting for the public 7 years ago, so I have a lot of experience, having completed over 150 models at that time. Now, life and a bad employment change have brought me back to it. I want to stress that while I am in S Scale and very knowledgeable about the PRR, I can work on other scales and roads as well. I am currently working on some O Scale C&O hoppers for a customer. I was at the Timonium Md. Train show yesterday spreading the word to all the brass dealers, so my schedule could get backed up. I am at about 3 weeks at this time. Please reply with what you want done, what scale, if you have the decals, or if decals are available, and a photo of the item if possible. Please give my website a look. It is a simple page now, but I will be adding to it as I figure out how to do it. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29372	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Preliminary Layout Photos Posted

I have added some new photos to several of my albums. I have added to the roadbed album, the layout album and the track layout album. You can see the photos at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album27 I hope you enjoy the photos and find time to post some of your own! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29373	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: TRAIN SHOWS

Like I have said before....The Pay Toilet Gats is not a very good place to find stuff.....Its always the smaller shows.....I heard that Savannah was very poor....small show....I didn't go......went yesterday to Deland.....they had a train show and a die cast show next door....Any way I think I will avoid small shows too for a while.....can't afford it for a while!!!! I went to Deland........found 812 baldwin...E...128.00 w/ box no ends 4603 passenger set all ob incl engine box...no s/b 4605 freight set 310 with VIRGINIAN hopper...most boxes no s/b 4609 pass. set 312ac with most boxes no s/b 5007a freight set 360 with all boxes....no s/b 5008a pass set 360 with all boxes...no s/b.have 905.00 in last 5 sets 628 log car..nice box.20.its the molded wood one! strong lettering HO Hudson freight set...300 real nice...all boxed.no s/b plus Plasticville, and other assorted stuff, inst books, etc. Brand new B-17 bomber in 1/4" scale..die cast!!!! plus Boxes of track.....tranny.....old 46 track and buttons....... The back seat of my car and the front pass side was packed........ Most of the items are really nice, close too or excellent......both 46 sets are nice....the pass cars have only a very slight warp 2 of the 3 car boxes have both ends with lettering......the engine box is stamped 1946....most you find are really bad.....the Virginian is really nice...all steps and doors but the box is very poor...other boxes ok on that freight set. All in all its sad the set boxes were gone.......BUT!! most of the engine wrappers and boxes and car boxes are nice...some still have both end flaps with numbers..some are missing.... the 360 has a couple of side frames missing....but I can switch one from another unit I have here... Overall....I spent all I had...about 1400.00......So I couldn't go to Orlando......came back home........Broke...well 14.00.....I had to hit the ATM 4 times!!!!! The guy from Orlando was there....overall about 5 or 6 people had Flyer.......Odd pieces here and there... I bought stuff from 7 or 8 diff people.. Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29374	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29375	From: stanley	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

has anyone looked at the prices of the new american flyer and the prices of the new lionel???? and also compaired the price of the set of american flyer with lionel ???? it looks as if the prices on some items are higher for flyer than lionel, and please don't misunderstand me i like the new items, i just think some are over priced thanks stan sobieski ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29377	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Smoke problems again.

For those of you who read my posts on my 497, I got it to work a little and have put off working on it further for the time being. However, I have another 497 that does run, problem is SMOKE. At times it runs well, other times it seems to run slowly, but if I run it for any length of time it smokes. Tonight I ran it for about 20 minutes and at first it was running slowly but then it seemed to really start picking up power and finally it started to smoke. I figure its either some kinda short somewhere, or possible it is burning off some dirty residue from the last 35 years in a dirty dusty garage attic. It does get pretty hot around the wheel motor assembly, as does my 21831 Texas and pacific, the deisels have only recently been run at all(after 35 years) and I don't have enough experience to know if this is normal. Let me know what you think, this is my better running 497 and i'm really hoping this isnt going to be some big can of worms since I already have plenty of those. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29378	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Looking for parts.

If you have any of the following parts, i'm looking for these and having a little trouble locating them. (1)I need a power connector for a 21115 loco to tender (2 pin). (2)dual controler for a switch track(track that changes from one set of track to another track). (3)a couple minor parts for a switch track. (4)a track terminal( the thing that connects the transormer to the track to provide power). Iv'e had a few people suggest places where I can purchase stuff but have had little success with these items for a variety of reasons. If you have any of these parts let me know. thanks, steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29379	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Vehicles for S

Hooo-KAY! I've continued to add to the album below. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo01 As of this posting, 20 diecast vehicle pix have been uploaded. Looking through the CD of all these after a year or so, I notice that many of the first few dozen are of older issues that may be more likely to show up on a swap meet table or on ebay than at Walmart or Target. Newer stuff will be forthcoming. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29380	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.

Steve wrote: >I have another 497 that does run, problem is SMOKE. >if I run it for any length of time it smokes. Tonight I ran it for >about 20 minutes and at first it was running slowly but then it >seemed to really start picking up power and finally it started to >smoke. The smoke may be coming from the reverse unit. If the fingers and/or contact drum are tarnished (likely after years of non-use) the contact between fingers and drum isn't what it should be, resulting in resistance at the contact points. Heat will build up on these points, eventually softening the plastic drum and causing it to emit smoke. Smoke can also come from overheated coils in the motor, but I doubt you loco would ever run well at all if that were the source. As for the slow running which gets better, what could be going on is this: The motorized truck axles may have worn the truck chassis holes so much that the gears are too close to the motor worm gears, causing them to bind. As the chassis heats up, the metal expands making the holes get slightly smaller, which raises the motor worm gears off of the axle gears just enough to allow them to run without binding. It's a common problem with the Gilbert Alco/Geep power truck. Basically, the truck is probably in need of an overhaul, which entails the installation of bushings in the axle bearings to restore the proper gear clearances. Not a trivial repair, by any means. You could replace the power truck with a new Lionel AF version, or send the truck to any of the various repair gurus on this list. Sorry I don't have better news. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29381	From: steve	Date: 1/25/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.

In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > Steve wrote: > The smoke may be coming from the reverse unit. If the fingers and/or > contact drum are tarnished (likely after years of non-use) the > contact between fingers and drum isn't what it should be, resulting > in resistance at the contact points. Heat will build up on these > points, eventually softening the plastic drum and causing it to emit > smoke. do you have a recomendation to solve this problem? > > The motorized truck axles may have worn the truck chassis holes so > much that the gears are too close to the motor worm gears, causing > them to bind. > > > Chuck F. Update: It seems to be running well now other than the smoke. Don't know why, but it is.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29382	From: rfgiardina	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.

From what you describe, the smoke is probably comming from the motor field. And the more you run it the more you are going to burn up the field and armature. Check the field coil windings for discoloration. If they are very dark, check the wheel axles for play, up and down, not side to side. If there is excesive play, it will need rebushing. Also check the space between the armature and the field. The space should be even on both sides, if not, there are 2 screws at the top of the field clamp for adjustment. What ever you do, don't keep running the engine! Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@y...> wrote: > For those of you who read my posts on my 497, I got it to work a > little and have put off working on it further for the time being. > However, I have another 497 that does run, problem is SMOKE. > At times it runs well, other times it seems to run slowly, but if I > run it for any length of time it smokes. > Tonight I ran it for about 20 minutes and at first it was running > slowly but then it seemed to really start picking up power and > finally it started to smoke. > I figure its either some kinda short somewhere, or possible it is > burning off some dirty residue from the last 35 years in a dirty > dusty garage attic. > It does get pretty hot around the wheel motor assembly, as does my > 21831 Texas and pacific, the deisels have only recently been run at > all(after 35 years) and I don't have enough experience to know if > this is normal. > Let me know what you think, > this is my better running 497 and i'm really hoping this isnt going > to be some big can of worms since I already have plenty of those. > > Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29383	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke problems again.

In a message dated 01/26/2004 12:56:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, bullwinkl.geo@... writes: Update: It seems to be running well now other than the smoke. Don't know why, but it is. If you want it to keep running, then you better STOP running it now when it is smoking. Smoke from a Diesel is a BAD thing. It won't fix itself unless it happened to be some oil on the armature. Get it to someone that can run the necessary resistance tests on the armature, field magnet, and reverse unit coil/fingers. It's not that expensive to have an R&R on this piece. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29384	From: Jim Dunn	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF FOR SALE

I have listed a number of AF Locos, rolling stock, and accessories in Paul's S-GAUGE web site classified ads section. Pictures of the items are in my album in the Photo Gallery, S-Friends album. Jim Dunn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29385	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18 B revisited

Thanks to all for helping with my insulated loops question. Here is another. While running two trains on the two insulated loops with my 18B, when i set the two throttles to the same speed and switch the rc switches so a train can change loops, the two throttles seem to interact with each other. That is, its as if the two rollers are hitting each other inside the case. Appears as tho something inside the case on each throttle is making contact. Ideas? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29386	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited

At 07:34 PM 1/26/04 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks to all for helping with my insulated loops question. Here is >another. While running two trains on the two insulated loops with my >18B, when i set the two throttles to the same speed and switch the rc >switches so a train can change loops, the two throttles seem to >interact with each other. That is, its as if the two rollers are >hitting each other inside the case. Appears as tho something inside >the case on each throttle is making contact. Ideas? Thanks,John B. This pins holding the rollers in place may be too long and touch when they are opposite one another. Most likely, one or both just have to be trimmed..................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29387	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited

This is normal. Both sides of the 18B are then connected together by the track switch. This is why when changing throttles it is best to have an insulated section of track to hold a loco that can be switched from one transformer output to the other to transfer power. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Donovan" <riker@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 18 B revisited > At 07:34 PM 1/26/04 +0000, you wrote: > >Thanks to all for helping with my insulated loops question. Here is > >another. While running two trains on the two insulated loops with my > >18B, when i set the two throttles to the same speed and switch the rc > >switches so a train can change loops, the two throttles seem to > >interact with each other. That is, its as if the two rollers are > >hitting each other inside the case. Appears as tho something inside > >the case on each throttle is making contact. Ideas? Thanks,John B. > > > This pins holding the rollers in place may be too long and touch > when they are opposite one another. Most likely, one or both just have to > be trimmed..................D.D. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29388	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18B revisited

John: Yes the two loops will interact wtih each other. Here is what you need to know, though you will quickly observe it for yourself. The short answer is that the rollers are probably not striking each other. The two transformer outputs are fighting each other electrically when both handles are down at the same time. When the track switches are thrown for a train to pass from loop to loop, the two variable voltage posts are then connected to each other through the switches and rail. Just raise one handle then. If the loops are wired as you describe, when the switches are thrown to send a train from loop to loop, the two variable voltage posts are connected electrically and one handle will control power (train speed) to both loops anyway. It is usually more fun to raise the handle on the loop the train is leaving. Or, you could insert an insulating track pin in the variable voltage post rail between the two switches. This would mean that when you wanted a train to run from loop to loop, the train would stop dead at the pin unless the other handle was put down in advance. Not so much fun. Problem is, the "speed" indications on the transformer case are just something fun for kids that imitates a car's speedometer. They do not correspond to where the rollers are on the top winding of the transformer secondary. The writing on the case is symmetrical. The rollers inside the case are symmetrical. But they do not match up with each other at all. What is important is where the two graphite rollers are on the coil. If the two rollers are at the same spot at the coil, the outputs do not fight each other. The farther apart they are, the more they fight. This effects the speed of the train, and also can produce a bad overheating condition in the transformer if ,with the variable voltage posts connected through the track by the switches -both handles are left down for a long time,or -If one handle is at a very "slow" setting and the other handle is at a very "fast" setting. The 18B is a robust toy that can handle the stress as long as you observe those two rules. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29389	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF-K325 Pick-up Shoes

On this snowy and cold afternoon, I gave my once dead K325 Hudson new life. Oiled, greased ,resoldered wires and sprayed tuner cleaner on the e-unit. It now runs like new. One question, how do you remove the pick-up shoes on the tender. One has a broken spring and the other is very weak.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29390	From: Jim Dunn	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: AF FOR SALE

Paul; Did the list of accessories I entered last night for the classified ads make it to you or did it get lost in cyberspace? Thank for your help in getting the pictures posted. Jim Dunn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29391	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: AF-K325 Pick-up Shoes

In a message dated 01/26/2004 4:30:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, joppdp@... writes: One question, how do you remove the pick-up shoes on the tender. One has a broken spring and the other is very weak. Don't remove them. Fix them. You can get repro shoes and springs from Port Lines Hobby. It's a very easy fix. If you look at the shoe holder where it joins the tender floor you will see a small protrusion on the inner side. That is a small tab that holds the shoe in place. All you have to do is push it into the shoe box and pull the shoe out. To replace it you just put a new spring in the box, squeeze the shoe slightly with the tab in the proper direction and push it down in until it clicks in place. Regards, Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29392	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher

So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? Kind of makes a person wonder about the wisdom of pre-order on the lower cost items. Seems like the high dollar sets are the only things that end up not being cheaper on ebay later. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29393	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher

train show last weekend had baggage smashers for $65 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher > So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 > bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? > > > > Kind of makes a person wonder about the wisdom of pre-order on the lower > cost items. > > > > Seems like the high dollar sets are the only things that end up not being > cheaper on ebay later. > > > > > > Mark > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29394	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: 18 B revisited

At 03:48 PM 1/26/04 -0500, you wrote: >This is normal. Both sides of the 18B are then connected together by the >track switch. This is why when changing throttles it is best to have an >insulated section of track to hold a loco that can be switched from one >transformer output to the other to transfer power. > > > At 07:34 PM 1/26/04 +0000, you wrote: > That is, its as if the two rollers are > > >hitting each other inside the case. Appears as tho something inside > > >the case on each throttle is making contact. Ideas? Thanks,John B. > > > > > > This pins holding the rollers in place may be too long and touch > > when they are opposite one another. Most likely, one or both just have to > > be trimmed..................D.D. > > > > Sounds like a slight mechanical problem inside the transformer to me................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29395	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher

Does anyone on list have one of these? If so, how well does the new Lionel version work, what is the mechanism like, and how much noise does it make? Do you like it? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29396	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher

At 07:07 PM 1/26/04 -0600, you wrote: >So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 >bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? Select high sales dealers are offered better deals on quantity orders. It worked for WalMart.........D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29397	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2004
Subject: 18B revisited

"Sounds like a slight mechanical problem inside the transformer to me................D.D. " Nope. We are talking about a unit that none of us can actually see, but if it were a mechanical problem it would likely be happening in only one particular combination of speed settings, when the rollers strike each other. Also, he would probably be able to hear and feel them strike each other. This does happen sometimes. John did not describe it that way at all And of course, it only happens when the switches that connect his two loops are thrown to face each other. This is probably an electrical problem, either in the transformer or in the layout wiring or track. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29398	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order? Baggage smasher

I just got 1 of these . it has a can motor & toothed belt drive & 1 small christmas tree type of light inside. As for operation it is quiet & rather tame as compaired to the older A.C. Gilbert version which had a lot of action Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29399	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: 027 is 1/64

Hi Look at the Marx small box car, cattle car, tender nad Hudson now make by K-line. The 027 Lionel Box car is perfect S. Buy a Industrial Rail Caboose and 4 bay hopper before they disapear. When I go to a train store and they say they don't have an S I pick up a 027 car and say it is funny we don't run O gauge on out rails, but Lionel people are dumb enought to buy S stuff and not know it. I replace all missing tin AF tenders with Marx long and short tenders. They fix right over AF frames. I have used Pikemaster trucks with broken couplers. I drill out the sides of the trucks to make them look better since they are damaged to begin with. I had thought about drilling out the springs and addint new real springs. Just a fun thing to do. Jim Sleeth Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29400	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: 18B revisited

Tom, I don't think it's a "problem". By setting the switches as described he has interconnected both of the 2 halves of the transformer. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 18B revisited > "Sounds like a slight mechanical problem inside the > transformer to me................D.D. " > > Nope. We are talking about a unit that none of us can actually see, but if > it were a mechanical problem it would likely be happening in only one > particular combination of speed settings, when the rollers strike each > other. Also, he would probably be able to hear and feel them strike each > other. This does happen sometimes. John did not describe it that way at > all > > And of course, it only happens when the switches that connect his two loops > are thrown to face each other. > > This is probably an electrical problem, either in the transformer or in the > layout wiring or track. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29401	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

I have been getting lots of virus laden notes. They started yesterday and look like real notes. 1) Make sure your Virus files are Up to date 2) Don't open any attachments unless you know what you are opening. 3) If you get an unexpected note with me or someone you know that has an attachment, don't open it with out checking with the sender. I am getting notes from other systems saying, 'Unable to deliver notes because a virus...' Notes that I never sent. So be careful and Trust no one! Now back to trains. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29402	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

ADVERTISEMENT Here's some more info. Last night I received an email from scurves@m... It had a .ZIP file attached to it. I'm a stickler like everyone else for not opening a suspicious attachment, but in this case I did considering the source. It let in a worm known as w32/mydoom. My internet connection immediately slowed down as the computer was throwing out thousands of emails with the worm in them. Then an email came in again this morning, this time from robin@s... and it was the same thing as before. The subject in these messages is "Test" and it has the .ZIP attached. Whatever you do, don't open it but get rid of it. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > I have been getting lots of virus laden notes. They > started yesterday and look like real notes. > > 1) Make sure your Virus files are Up to date > 2) Don't open any attachments unless you know what you > are opening. > 3) If you get an unexpected note with me or someone > you know that has an attachment, don't open it with > out checking with the sender. > > I am getting notes from other systems saying, 'Unable > to deliver notes because a virus...' Notes that I > never sent. > So be careful and Trust no one! > > Now back to trains. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29403	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

I NEVER open any attachments no matter who they are from. The only way I do is at work, and that is because I use a Mac so no harm is done. The university has excellent virus protection anyways and it deletes the virus right away. Gene > ---------- > From: Roy Hoffman > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:50 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > Here's some more info. Last night I received an email from > scurves@m... It had a .ZIP file attached to it. > I'm a stickler like everyone else for not opening a suspicious > attachment, but in this case I did considering the source. It let in > a worm known as w32/mydoom. My internet connection immediately > slowed down as the computer was throwing out thousands of emails > with the worm in them. Then an email came in again this morning, > this time from robin@s... and it was the same thing as > before. > > The subject in these messages is "Test" and it has the .ZIP > attached. Whatever you do, don't open it but get rid of it. > > Roy > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > > I have been getting lots of virus laden notes. They > > started yesterday and look like real notes. > > > > 1) Make sure your Virus files are Up to date > > 2) Don't open any attachments unless you know what you > > are opening. > > 3) If you get an unexpected note with me or someone > > you know that has an attachment, don't open it with > > out checking with the sender. > > > > I am getting notes from other systems saying, 'Unable > > to deliver notes because a virus...' Notes that I > > never sent. > > So be careful and Trust no one! > > > > Now back to trains. > > > > ===== > > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > > Photography - Computers - Trains > > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29404	From: keefer1	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: vacuum tubes

Anyone have the number of the vacuum tube used in the whistle controller? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29405	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Tender repair

I have a Royal Blue with a tender which is missing several of the metal tabs to hold down the tender to the frame. What suggestions do you have for repairing this? By the way, this is the 1948 version. Thanks! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29406	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Tender repair

My suggestion is to epoxy thin metal sheets containing new tabs to the inside of the tender. Tin can stock is about right and you can cut it with a good pair of scissors. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <ruth.leahy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Tender repair > I have a Royal Blue with a tender which is missing several of the metal tabs to > hold down the tender to the frame. What suggestions do you have for repairing > this? By the way, this is the 1948 version. > > Thanks! > > Mike Leahy > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29407	From: vickiec40403	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: GP 371

Has anyone got an idea of what is going on with my diesel, it has been serviced and yet when I go to operate it, it has very little power and does not run very fast, according to my transformer I am running 14 volts and 3 3 1/2 amps. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29408	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Baggage & B units

Gentlemen I was fortunate to be able to buy the original Lionel NYC PA passenger set and the two car upgrade that was recently released. I just received the new added baggage car and have on order the B unit. I have other PA based engines which include B units. I have two questions that I was wondering if anyone might have an insight on. Did the NYC run PA s with multiple B units? Did NYC use multiple baggage cars and or a mix of baggage and freight cars? I am of course trying to figure out if I should buy an extra b and/or baggage. Thanks Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29409	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Tender repair

In a message dated 01/27/2004 9:43:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, ruth.leahy@... writes: I have a Royal Blue with a tender which is missing several of the metal tabs to hold down the tender to the frame. What suggestions do you have for repairing this? By the way, this is the 1948 version. Thanks! Mike Leahy Go to your local Hobby store and get a small sheet of thin brass sheeting. It should be about the same thickness as the Flyer tender. Cut yourself some strips out of it about 1/4 of an inch long (or slightly more) and the same width as the Flyer tabs. Solder these inside the tender shell in exactly the same spot as the ones broken off. Touch them up with some paint if desired and slip them right back on to the tender frame. Works like a champ. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29410	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: GP 371

In a message dated 01/27/2004 11:41:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, fpocius@... writes: Has anyone got an idea of what is going on with my diesel, it has been serviced and yet when I go to operate it, it has very little power and does not run very fast, according to my transformer I am running 14 volts and 3 3 1/2 amps. Thanks Fred Fred, as much as everyone on this list would like to help you, more information is really needed to diagnose your problem. It is much the same as calling your mechanic on the phone and asking him what is wrong with your car because it is making a "funny" noise. There are several possibilities in your case. You most certainly have a resistance problem because this motor should not be drawing more than about 2 1/4 amps at 14 volts. That resistance problem can be from any one of three or four sources. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29411	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: UP 3985 Challenger

I got this from another mailing list and thought I would post it. It is making its way to Houston for the Super Bowl. How lucky you guys are that live on or near the route (if any.) http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=559008426

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29412	From: waldootten	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: VIRUS INFO

For those using McAffe virus protection software, their website says if your McAfee Virus Scan ID files are up-to-date you should be protected. If you use Norton or another, check their website. At any rate, update your virus protection and firewall files now. The McAffe website for "help" is currently overloaded by affected PC operators looking for removal instructions. Those not running MicroSoft Windows as an OS (and Mac users) supposedly are immune from these two viruses. The two virus file sigs are: W32/mydoom (The one mentioned by Roy Hoffman) W32/dumaru.y (doom-eroo, get it?) DO NOT DOWNLOAD THESE ATTACHED FILES AND/OR DO NOT OPEN THEM UP. ALSO, CALL OR SEND AN EMAIL TO THE PERSON WHO SENT YOU THE UNSOLICITED EMAIL AND LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE A VIRUS. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29413	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't enough of them to make it worth their while. Sorry, couldn't resist! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Knight, Gene" <knight@c...> wrote: > I NEVER open any attachments no matter who they are from. The only way I do is at work, and that is because I use a Mac so no harm is done. The university has excellent virus protection anyways and it deletes the virus right away. > > Gene >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29414	From: doug	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order, Baggage Smashers. etc

I can tell you that not very long before delivery, Lionel offered the LARGE dealers who deal direct with them a chance to buy add'l quantities of the 4 AF accessories at a greater-than-normal discount. Obviously, they had "over-produced" (as also evidenced by the fact that these same accessories are back in the 2004 catalog). As a result, they could of course then offer them retail for almost dirt-cheap pricing. The very large, big-name dealers are nearly impossible for us small-time dealers to compete with to begin with......this Lnl deal made it outright impossible! After paying for shipping, I can tell you that my cost for the $130 MSRP Baggage Smashers (which I sold for $110) was over $90 each! This is the first time I have ever known Lionel to do this......but it is a real "killer" to the smaller dealers. Makes us wonder if it's worth the time, effort, and expense to deal in these products at all ! (In case you're not aware, the smaller dealers cannot buy direct from Lnl.....we have to deal through wholesalers (i.e, "middlemen") which obviously results in higher costs for us.) <<<<<So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? Kind of makes a person wonder about the wisdom of pre-order on the lower cost items.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29415	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: UP Challenger

WOW!!!!! Does anyone know the schedule for this beauty? When will it be where and on display? I'd love to catch it as it passed through Little Rock. I saw the Freedom Train when it was on display in North Little Rock many years ago. These were great family moments. Also saw a deisel at the MoP shops in NLR that had been painted in desert cami. I just wish I had been a camera buff. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29416	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Dear Roy, You are so correct. That is why I know our computers did not send you a virus as we use Macs. I can still open artwork files I made in the 80's on my Mac. Could you? Maybe if you still used a 5 1/4" drive. Don Roy Hoffman wrote: >The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't >enough of them to make it worth their while. > >Sorry, couldn't resist! > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Knight, Gene" <knight@c...> wrote: > > >>I NEVER open any attachments no matter who they are from. The only >> >> >way I do is at work, and that is because I use a Mac so no harm is >done. The university has excellent virus protection anyways and it >deletes the virus right away. > > >>Gene >> >> >> > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29417	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!

I think that's why I like Mac's! They are like American Flyer, both in the minority, but far superior to the competition! I couldn't resist either! gary On 1/27/04 7:10 PM, "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> wrote: > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > Sorry, couldn't resist! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29418	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!

Yea.....Macs R good.....But very high in Calories........Bob...RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer! > I think that's why I like Mac's! They are like American Flyer, both in the > minority, but far superior to the competition! > > I couldn't resist either! > > gary > > > On 1/27/04 7:10 PM, "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> wrote: > > > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29419	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer pre-order, Baggage Smashers. etc

I kind of suspected as much. Still, don't you wish you could predict which ones will be over produced and which will not? It seems that they always have plenty of the accessories and the cheaper cars. I didn't have the cash available at the time to order the NYC passenger set, but I had a feeling that it would be a short run. I suspect the B&O steam set will be the short run when they show up. Any predictions? -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Flyer pre-order, Baggage Smashers. etc I can tell you that not very long before delivery, Lionel offered the LARGE dealers who deal direct with them a chance to buy add'l quantities of the 4 AF accessories at a greater-than-normal discount. Obviously, they had "over-produced" (as also evidenced by the fact that these same accessories are back in the 2004 catalog). As a result, they could of course then offer them retail for almost dirt-cheap pricing. The very large, big-name dealers are nearly impossible for us small-time dealers to compete with to begin with......this Lnl deal made it outright impossible! After paying for shipping, I can tell you that my cost for the $130 MSRP Baggage Smashers (which I sold for $110) was over $90 each! This is the first time I have ever known Lionel to do this......but it is a real "killer" to the smaller dealers. Makes us wonder if it's worth the time, effort, and expense to deal in these products at all ! (In case you're not aware, the smaller dealers cannot buy direct from Lnl.....we have to deal through wholesalers (i.e, "middlemen") which obviously results in higher costs for us.) <<<<<So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? Kind of makes a person wonder about the wisdom of pre-order on the lower cost items.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29420	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: UP Challenger

http://www.uprr.com/notes/corpcomm/2003/super_schedule.shtml -----Original Message----- From: A.E. Johnson [mailto:bigfoot@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:30 PM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] UP Challenger WOW!!!!! Does anyone know the schedule for this beauty? When will it be where and on display? I'd love to catch it as it passed through Little Rock. I saw the Freedom Train when it was on display in North Little Rock many years ago. These were great family moments. Also saw a deisel at the MoP shops in NLR that had been painted in desert cami. I just wish I had been a camera buff. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29421	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] UP Challenger

The UP web site has the schedule for the Challenger. Go to steam program. www.uprr.com Roy Inman ---------- > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:29:31 -0600 > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] UP Challenger > > WOW!!!!! > > Does anyone know the schedule for this beauty? When will it be where and on > display? I'd love to catch it as it passed through Little Rock. I saw the > Freedom Train when it was on display in North Little Rock many years ago. > These were great family moments. Also saw a deisel at the MoP shops in NLR > that had been painted in desert cami. I just wish I had been a camera buff. > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29422	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Well, that is not entirely true. There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. When we Mac users aren't working on curing world hunger, saving the whales, or photographing trains, we amuse ourselves reading the endless postings warning of the virus of the week, and how all the unfortunate Windows platform blighters are struggling to keep their cybers working. With tongue firmly planted in cheek :>>> Roy Inman ---------- > From: Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:10:06 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning > > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > Sorry, couldn't resist!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29423	From: waldootten	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers

MY THOUGHTS: I preordered and bought from Doug Peck two Baggage Smashers and two Talking Stations at his preorder price. In hindsight, I suppose I could have taken a chance and waited for this Big Dealer Blowout sale and saved something like $180 to $200. But who knew? On the other hand, who knew the NYC passenger sets were going to be so hard to get? If you waited on that one, you still are waiting. Ya throws the dice, and ya takes yer chances. Doug, I know you and other smaller dealers must be quite upset yourselves that Lionel did something like this. I'd be upset, too, that other dealers were selling a product for a profit for $40 less than I paid for it before resale. Legal, yes. Ethical, IMHO, NO! Lionel, you should be ashamed of yourselves. And this scenario from one of the train manufacturers on the vanguard in the alleged lawsuit to stop Union Pacific from charging rights fees to use its logos. Kinda two-faced, for my money. And Lionel, if you made a mistake and over-produced, stand up and take your losses instead of handing them off to little guys like Doug Peck. Cutting prices to a select few before you even deliver all of the original orders is unconscionable. But I will still buy from Doug, as I derive much "hidden value" from him. Do any of those big eBay dealers answer their own phone and patiently help me identify a replacement part that I can only describe as a "thing-a-ma-jig?" Do they have any replacement screws and brushes and bulbs and thing-a-ma-jigs at all? Or take time to explain how to correctly install it after I receive it? Or answer a wiring question even when there is no purchase involved? Are any of them spending time at the shows or on this board helping us with free advice? Nope, they're too busy selling. It is like Lionel is suddenly in collusion with the Big Dealers to slowly put the little guys out of business. You know, we preorder from the little guys and find out we might save money by waiting and ordering from the Big Guys. Or they don't deliver enough product for the small guys to fill all their preorders while the big guys get plenty. Pretty soon, the small guys' preorders will disappear. Is this unfair? You betcha. Can you spell a-n-t-i-t-r-u-s-t? FTC, are you watching this? Doug, in light of this development, my personal thanks to you and all the little guys who unlike the Big Dealers, place their passion for the hobby over their profit from the hobby. From you guys I know I can count on your time, your expertise, your parts, and your patience. Things we can't count on from a Big Dealer. You folks are the backbone of our hobby. Sincerely, Phil K __________________________________________________________ REPRISE OF GIST: >>So does anyone know why baggage smashers have been on ebay for as low as 60 bucks "buy it now" and there are currently some listed for $79.00? Kind of makes a person wonder about the wisdom of pre-order on the lower cost items.<< Doug Peck replies: >>>>> The very large, big-name dealers are nearly impossible for us small-time dealers to compete with to begin with... this Lnl deal made it outright impossible! After paying for shipping, I can tell you that my cost for the $130 MSRP Baggage Smashers (which I sold for $110) was over $90 each! This is the first time I have ever known Lionel to do this... but it is a real "killer" to the smaller dealers. Makes us wonder if it's worth the time, effort, and expense to deal in these products at all! (In case you're not aware, the smaller dealers cannot buy direct from Lnl... we have to deal through wholesalers (i.e, "middlemen") which obviously results in higher costs for us.)<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29424	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2004
Subject: Re: vacuum tubes

Hi Keith & others, The # of the tube is 117p7 GT > Someone on this list has the name of the Co. that still stocks them for about $7.00 new I believe. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29425	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Exactly where my tongue was, too! > With tongue firmly planted in cheek :>>> > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29426	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning, but I mention Flyer!

When you play the AF card, I have no more argument. <G> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <GChidester@m...> wrote: > I think that's why I like Mac's! They are like American Flyer, both in the > minority, but far superior to the competition! > > I couldn't resist either! > > gary > > > On 1/27/04 7:10 PM, "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@i...> wrote: > > > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29427	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

No I couldn't, because I'm in the 21st century. I even removed frames from my websites. Anyway, it makes it pretty scary then, since one of the infected emails had you as the sender. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > Dear Roy, > You are so correct. That is why I know our computers did not send > you a virus as we use Macs. I can still open artwork files I made in > the 80's on my Mac. Could you? Maybe if you still used a 5 1/4" drive. > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29428	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Baggage cars & B units

Joe (and anybody else who is interested), In reply to your questions, I have never seen pictures or movies with consists of NYC PA's and PB's with more than two units, just single A, or A-B, or A-A, but that does not mean three or more never happened. The NYC system only had 14 PA units and 5 PB units, as follows: NYC PA1 4200-4203 P&LE PA1 4204-4207 NYC PA2 4208-4211 P&LE PA2 4212-4213 NYC PB1 4300-4303 NYC PB2 4304 Since 6 PA's belonged to P&LE, NYC proper had only 8 A units. (Diesels of NYC subsidiaries had "New York Central System" lettering on the side, instead of just "New York Central"). This is probably more than you wanted to know, but for what it's worth, I thought I'd mention it. From what I can tell, NYC passenger trains usually had three units at most, and anytime there were three, they had E7's or E8's in an A-B-A consist. I have seen pictures of an NYC PA1 and E8 together, or an E unit with a PB1. I have never seen evidence of NYC E units in A-B-B consists either. As for mixing baggage cars and boxcars, a lot of railroads had mail trains that used boxcars and baggage cars together. These were not the "name" trains like the 20th Century Limited, or Empire State Express, but usually secondary trains that had several "head end cars", including boxcars, baggage cars, express reefers, and railway post office cars. Sometimes they had just a single coach on the end. The one glaring thing wrong with Lionel's NYC passenger train is that NYC never had dome cars, due to tight clearances. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29429	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Real NYC Service

Speaking of NYC, they purchased the Michigan Central line that goes from Detroit to Chicago via Kalamazoo where I live. I know they had passenger service. After Hudson's were put to rest, did they switch to PA/PB units for this line - anyone know? Or what else did they run? (This is the same line that Tom McComas's wife talks about her father working on in one of their Christmas videos.) Thanks Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29430	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Dear Roy, The worm goes into the address book of one computer (host) and steal addresses to use as "sender" addressed. This was dicussed on these e-groups a few months ago. They host computer had bookmarked or saved out e-mail address. That PC (host) originated the virus to your computer. The worm did not get into our Macs as the operating system is not the same. .Many of these files like .exe or .dwg files do not work on Macs. Don Roy Hoffman wrote: >No I couldn't, because I'm in the 21st century. > >I even removed frames from my websites. > >Anyway, it makes it pretty scary then, since one of the infected >emails had you as the sender. > >Roy > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > > >>Dear Roy, >> You are so correct. That is why I know our computers did not >> >> >send > > >>you a virus as we use Macs. I can still open artwork files I made >> >> >in > > >>the 80's on my Mac. Could you? Maybe if you still used a 5 1/4" >> >> >drive. > > >>Don >> >> >> > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29431	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Hi Don, I spent several years as a Software Engineer as well as working in an IT environment. If I wanted to, I could spend my time writing viruses, but the people who do are dirt-bags who should all be locked up for the damage they do to private propery. I'm sometimes suprised that I never got into the MAC world instead of the "IBM compatible" PC's. I'm an admirer of Steve Jobs (and Wozniak) for their brilliant inovations. Other alternatives to Mr. Gates include UNIX/LINUX and even IBM tried it with OS2. They are/were all superior to MS operating systems. I've never even worked extensively on IBM mainframes, but their lesser competitors like Univac, and DEC for the most part, so I don't usually migrate to number one. Case in point, I model in S, own Fords and root for the Eagles. I was only kidding the MAC crowd, but when you think of it, a hacker will go after the biggest target and if the MAC ever gains more users, I'm sure that they'll decend on MACs, too. Till then, enjoy your emails with attachments while the rest of us make McAfee rich. To get back to trains, I again want to thank those who have helped out in the "S" Friendly campaign so far. The NASG website has been moved to a new webhost and has been updated, and now includes a link to the "S" Friendly Hobby Shops. It's at www.nasg.org Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > Dear Roy, > The worm goes into the address book of one computer (host) and steal > addresses to use as "sender" addressed. This was dicussed on these > e-groups a few months ago. They host computer had bookmarked or saved > out e-mail address. That PC (host) originated the virus to your > computer. The worm did not get into our Macs as the operating system is > not the same. .Many of these files like .exe or .dwg files do not work > on Macs. > Don > > Roy Hoffman wrote: > > >No I couldn't, because I'm in the 21st century. > > > >I even removed frames from my websites. > > > >Anyway, it makes it pretty scary then, since one of the infected > >emails had you as the sender. > > > >Roy > > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > > > > > >>Dear Roy, > >> You are so correct. That is why I know our computers did not > >> > >> > >send > > > > > >>you a virus as we use Macs. I can still open artwork files I made > >> > >> > >in > > > > > >>the 80's on my Mac. Could you? Maybe if you still used a 5 1/4" > >> > >> > >drive. > > > > > >>Don > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29432	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: American Idol auditions...

Hi David and Susan, I don't know if Jonathan has informed you about Heather and Pippi, Charlotte and Oscar being on 'American Idol'. The taping occurred last Fall in six cities including Honolulu. Heather went through three rounds of auditions, and at the audition with the executive producers, had P, C and O with her. They (producers) insisted that she bring the babies back for the final audition in front of Paula Abdul, Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell. The Honolulu segment of those auditions airs tonight on the Fox Network at 8:00 p.m. (here, and probably in Detroit area as well). Heather is so nervous about how they may have edited all the tape. We are very excited. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29433	From: Tim	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

Roy, Whose cheek is that tongue firmly planted in? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning Well, that is not entirely true. There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. When we Mac users aren't working on curing world hunger, saving the whales, or photographing trains, we amuse ourselves reading the endless postings warning of the virus of the week, and how all the unfortunate Windows platform blighters are struggling to keep their cybers working. With tongue firmly planted in cheek :>>> Roy Inman ---------- > From: Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:10:06 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning > > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > Sorry, couldn't resist! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29434	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers

In a message dated 1/28/04 12:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > Doug, in light of this development, my personal thanks to you and > all the little guys who unlike the Big Dealers, place their passion > for the hobby over their profit from the hobby. From you guys I know > I can count on your time, your expertise, your parts, and your > patience. Things we can't count on from a Big Dealer. > > You folks are the backbone of our hobby. > > Sincerely, > > Phil K > I second His Motion. We have so many cheap people in this hobby and scale. Everyone wants a bargain. No wonder we can't get the hobby shops to carry the stuff. When they say they can't sell it they are correct. How many on this list have ordered mail order so they could save 5.00 bucks? I'm having a hell of a time getting a shop opened here in Dayton. Know one carries S-Gauge within an hour and 15 minutes of us. I know once my shop does open, I'll probably have to carry lots of HO and N-Scale to supplement the S-Gauge trains. It's time to quit complaining about retail cost and support the Local shops. That's how we get the shops to carry S-Gauge. Just my seven cents worth. Inflation you know! Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29435	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Passerger set

I frankly do not understand the appeal of this train, especially the cars. To anyone who ever saw or rode on, a real NYC train, they must look bizarre. The New York Central postwar passenger fleet, the largest postwar passenger car fleet ever, is known throughout the railfan world as "The Great Steel Fleet", because it was mostly stainless steel. In fact, there is a book by that name. Chrome would have been much more appealing on the Lionel version than that gaudy two tone mess. NYC did have a few nice two tone grey passenger cars, including th e obs on the 20th entury, but they were smooth sided. Guess that engine looks ok. I had long since repainted a Flyer diesel in that scheme, with scalecoat paint and microscale decals. Tom Jarcho You can, too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29436	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:Well, that is not entirely true. There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. I think you need a new Guru, Macs are not invulnerable to virus attacks. Check out this article: http://www.securemac.com/datarecover.php?comment=all And the idea of locking out any virus by turning off the cd autoplay is ludicrous. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29437	From: TCS	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: new CNW caboose decals

824 bay window caboose with flag (1981) http://mopac1.tripod.com/824.gif 825 bay window caboose with flag (1981) http://mopac1.tripod.com/825.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29438	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers

I appreciate the mail order dealer too. Mail order is my only choice. The closest dealer to me that will ORDER S gauge stuff is 1.5 hours drive away. Interestingly enough they have mentioned they may begin to stock some s-gauge items as the demand is increasing. I generally spread the stuff I order around a little. I order from Doug P. most years. I usually get some things from Engine House hobbies (located in Wichita Ks), and will order AM, Flyonel, or SHS. I also order from Lone Star Trains, in San Antonio Tx That covers about half of the country. On the subject of over-produced (not over priced) I had a suspicion there had been some sort of over production --> dump situation and wanted to hear some facts. Sounds like LLC does not know the value of partnering with their supply chain. We must remember that forecasting demand is one of the trickier issues of running a profitable business, and nobody gets it perfect. -----Original Message----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... [mailto:Cbtrainnut1@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers In a message dated 1/28/04 12:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > Doug, in light of this development, my personal thanks to you and > all the little guys who unlike the Big Dealers, place their passion > for the hobby over their profit from the hobby. From you guys I know > I can count on your time, your expertise, your parts, and your > patience. Things we can't count on from a Big Dealer. > > You folks are the backbone of our hobby. > > Sincerely, > > Phil K > I second His Motion. We have so many cheap people in this hobby and scale. Everyone wants a bargain. No wonder we can't get the hobby shops to carry the stuff. When they say they can't sell it they are correct. How many on this list have ordered mail order so they could save 5.00 bucks? I'm having a hell of a time getting a shop opened here in Dayton. Know one carries S-Gauge within an hour and 15 minutes of us. I know once my shop does open, I'll probably have to carry lots of HO and N-Scale to supplement the S-Gauge trains. It's time to quit complaining about retail cost and support the Local shops. That's how we get the shops to carry S-Gauge. Just my seven cents worth. Inflation you know! Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29439	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Passerger set

I have wondered about the paint job too...I have the PA's, and plan to get the AM Budd's to go along with them, especially after the rave reviews by this group of the AM Budd cars. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:30 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NYC Passerger set I frankly do not understand the appeal of this train, especially the cars. To anyone who ever saw or rode on, a real NYC train, they must look bizarre. The New York Central postwar passenger fleet, the largest postwar passenger car fleet ever, is known throughout the railfan world as "The Great Steel Fleet", because it was mostly stainless steel. In fact, there is a book by that name. Chrome would have been much more appealing on the Lionel version than that gaudy two tone mess. NYC did have a few nice two tone grey passenger cars, including th e obs on the 20th entury, but they were smooth sided. Guess that engine looks ok. I had long since repainted a Flyer diesel in that scheme, with scalecoat paint and microscale decals. Tom Jarcho You can, too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29440	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Model Railroader Sweepstakes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29441	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: VACUUM TUBES & Blantant AD

Anyone needing a 117P7 GT Tube for the Electronic whistle control for the 324 AW. Please contact me off list I have some New ones $15.00 shipping included. Mike S. PS: Also I have CAIG in a smaller 1/2 oz size that will last the average person 10 - 20 years ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29442	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Passerger set

Well I do not understand why anyone but a collector would purchase the Flyonel PAs in any paint scheme that was also available from American Models. Operators are a lot better off with the American Models PAs. In fact I do not see Lionel as being competitive anymore on locomotives or rolling stock, except for unique items like action cabooses, handcars, unless its with the mikado steam loco, and we need to wait and see about it. And I would think the Flyonel passenger cars would be inferior to the American Models cars for reasons in addition to the paint job. Compare rollability, lighting, weight, overall appearance. It been a long time since I have purchased any Flyonel at all, but am I correct that the cars still roll only slightly better than the original Flyer cars? Earl Henry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29443	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: TEST

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29444	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: TEST

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29445	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: NYC Passenger Set

Gentlemen: I appreciate the information on the NYC PAs configurations and baggage cars. I have indeed bought the AM PA s. I have a New Haven and a Pennsylvania. I also have the AF Sante Fe, the Flyonel Sante Fe, Erie and NYC sets along with some AF NH PA s. I also have the AM streamline sets for my Pennsy E8 and GG-1. I guess that I should have bought the NYC PA s and passenger cars from AMs, but I didn't although I may get around to that some day when I have the cash and I mellow out. My reason for buying the Lionel NYC set at the time was sort of a spur of the moment way of making peace within my family. I'm from Phila area originally and a former big Eagles/Phillies/Athletics fan (read despise Giants/Mets/Yankees). Despite my mother dragging me up in the fifties from Germantown Station behind some GG1s to go on shopping trips to New York City with a couple of visits to the Gilbert Hall of Science, I'm a firm believer in avoiding anything to do with New York City and have gone around NYC many times but never through it. . This was reinforced by move to the Boston Area where after thirty some years, I have converted to the Red Sox and Patriots (Read despise Yankees/Jets). This has been reflected in my collections and layout operations. In my world there exists the Reading, Pennsylvania, Erie Lackawanna RRs directly interconnected to the New Haven, BM and MEC. Anything directly south of Poughkeepsie and the New York Central does not exist. However, my two grown up daughters are now in the Big Apple area and I had to make a condescending peace offering since my AM Amtrack and CONRAIL items don't have NY on them. Therefore, when they visit there will be a virtual NY Central portion of the layout for them to operate the NYC passenger set. When they leave it goes back on the wall to appreciate. Its sort of funny that despite not liking NY that the NYC set that I bought appears to have been a low volume number and its scarcity has driven up the price. If and whenever my daughters leave New York, I'll give a heads up on when the full set will come up on EBAY so that those at the other extreme who only model the NYC can spend their money foolishly Regards, Joe H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29446	From: roy inman	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning

To Scott, et al: > roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:Well, that is not entirely true. > There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the > hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much > invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user > has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the > CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. Scott wrote: > And the idea of locking out any virus by turning off the cd autoplay is > ludicrous. Nope, the off turn of the CD AutoPlay works. A number of Mac books and magazine articles confirm this. And if you re-read the post (copied above) you will note that I said "Macs are PRETTY MUCH invulnerable to virus attacks." I did NOT say they were absolutely invulnerable. But enough of that. I use a Mac, it works for me, I have not (knock on wood) had a virus attack of any kind, in four years of running. None of my Mac user friends have every had a virus, and some of the folks have been using Macs for ten years. (Some people say that a Mac can PASS ALONG a virus, however. Sort of a disease carrier without being infected I guess. But I have no confirmation of this.) Doesn't mean I won't or can't get a virus, but for now I can spend more time with trains, and less time fretting over protecting my computer. Besides, I mostly deal with graphics and photos and Macs process that sort of stuff more efficiently that Windows platforms. Let's get back to trains :) Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29447	From: the Reis's	Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: Train Room cleaning 2004 - Stuff foe sale

Train Room cleanout for the new year: Here are some packed away items that need new homes while I need more space. I thought I would offer them here before I take all the pictures and offer them on ebay. ITEM # 1: Locomotive and Railway Preservation Mags 18 issues 37-39, 42-45, 47-48, 50-58 also S/SN3 mags Vol 4 # 1, 2, and 3 All for $15 shipped USA48 basically shipping cost.................................... ITEM 2: Greenburg AF guide Second Edition 1984 excellent condition Hardbound with slip cover. $45 shipped USA48 ............................. ITEM 3: Greenburg AF guide 3rd Edition hardbound printed cover. Excellent condition $45 shipped USA48 .................................... ITEM 4: Aurotech Complete AF service manual (this was later released by Klein (black cover) 1978. $35 shipped USA48 .................... ITEM 5:Lionel Trains, Standards of the World 1st edition 1976 TCA published book. Like new. Hardbound with slip cover $25 shipped USA48 ............................................ ITEM 6: Greenburg Lionel guide 0 and 0-27 1945-1977 paperbound, complete good shape, and Greenburg Lionel Guide 1901-1942 hardbound very good shape. $30 shipped USA48 .............................................. ITEM 7: 963 observation car repainted silver, a little more metalflake than the original paint but not bad, some scuffs under the paint. Also a 631 gondola link converted to knuckle. This has the sheet metal trucks with the metal weights on them. $30 shipped USA48 .............................. ITEM 8: STEAM ENGINE - 301 reading plastic body 4-4-2, link coupler, minor rust on trucks, pretty clean otherwise, when set on tracks the reverse unit clicks nice but the engine does not move, engine is not bound up, it should just need a cleaning. $35 plus postage.......................... ITEM 9: STEAM ENGINE – 300AC, metal body 4-4-2, link reading, Reverse unit in boiler, wiring plug on wires from tender broken so I cannot tell if it runs. Everything seems complete, metal tender $35 plus postage.......................... ITEM 10: STEAM ENGINE 302AC metal shell metal tender, some minor rust on tender, well used, typical paint ships, Rivet missing on bar between engine rear truck and the Tender truck otherwise runs but I am sure it needs cleaning. $40 plus postage............................ ITEM 11: STEAM ENGINE 312AC PRR 4-6-2 link coupler, complete, looks good, tender ladder extension missing, tender to engine wiring was replaced with plastic covered wire, looks good and clean, looks complete, tender steps there, runs ok but could use cleaning and oil. $110 plus postage............................ ITEM 12: Electric Engine - This is a rare engine. Body is and Epoxy collaboration between Dick Karnes and Dan Olson. Basically the body is molded from 2 PA-1s cut in half with the noses shortened then glued together as a double ender. Tops cut down for pantographs. (included) With Dick’s excellent modeling Skills this is well done. The running gear is a narrowed AF PA1 single engine chassis. (narrowed because the body is thicker than normal AF body) It ran when I put it on the shelf about 10 years ago but only has the reverse unit clicking now. Needs cleaning. Body is somewhat fragile cast epoxy. Painted flat dark grey, $60 plus postage.......................... First person that emails me with an “I’ll take it” gets it. I have lots of bubble wrap and boxes from work so the only cost will be USPS postage. Make me an offer, I may take that too. I can also take pictures and send them but then I could have put them on EBAY too. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA – NASG - Ebay name is er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29448	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: 18B revisited

Tom, you hit it on the head. You have just described the problem better than I did. Thats exactly what is happening. It only happens when both settings are at 60mph per the scale. It happens when the trans is on or off. I can feel and hear and see the other turret physically move when I turn the other. Guess it is a mechanical problem after all eh? Trans otherwise works fine, no overheating or anything. Thanks to all for the suggestions,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > "Sounds like a slight mechanical problem inside the > transformer to me................D.D. " > > Nope. We are talking about a unit that none of us can actually see, but if > it were a mechanical problem it would likely be happening in only one > particular combination of speed settings, when the rollers strike each > other. Also, he would probably be able to hear and feel them strike each > other. This does happen sometimes. John did not describe it that way at > all > > And of course, it only happens when the switches that connect his two loops > are thrown to face each other. > > This is probably an electrical problem, either in the transformer or in the > layout wiring or track. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29449	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: (Bulls Eye)

Please check this link, for a more in depth explanation. This is a classic urban legend springing from a bit of fact. http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp -----Original Message----- From: EUGENE HAGERMAN [mailto:drmusic244@...] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:27 PM To: Carl Chapman; Cecly Payne; Chris Moberly; Doug Cassens; John Alston; john keedy; John Puyear; Johnny Anglin; Nancy Rodgers; Rex Buckner; Rick Rodgers; Roger Roberts; Ron Shedore; Sam Gorton; Suzy Simmons Subject: Fw: (Bulls Eye) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers <mailto:donny@...> To: EUGENE HAGERMAN <mailto:drmusic244@...> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Fw: (no subject) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Harrison" <deewalt@...> To: "Don Rodgers" <donny@...>; "Gena Miller" <genanolife@...>; "Jerris West" <duh562000@...>; "Melanie Chancey" <colvinchancey@...>; "Stacy Myers" <myersmypeac@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: FW: (no subject) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cartwright, Susan [mailto:susan.cartwright@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:46 AM > To: gramskaka@...; ralenegraham@...; glen@...; Joy > Harrison > Subject: FW: (no subject) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo Butler [mailto:donjo44@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:59 PM > To: Greeleymoore@...; christym@...; > cadiegirl@...; ljrdgrs@...; stevenss@...; > Cartwright, Susan; tkviking@...; goody4you1@... > Subject: Fw: (no subject) > > > > > >From: "Casey2_1" <Casey2_1@...> > >To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> > >Subject: Fw: (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:20:45 -0500 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:55 PM > >Subject: (no subject) > > > > > >By Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association > > > >Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the > >Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition event. > > > >We received the following reply from the local TARGET management: > "Veterans > >do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social > action > >groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education." > > > >So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans in > >general do not meet their donation criteria, then something is really > wrong > >at this TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not > even > >hundreds, just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance. > > > >As a follow-up, I e-mailed the TARGET U.S. corporate headquarters and > their > >response was the same. That's their national policy. > > > >Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines > to > >collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores. And during the > recent > >Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees who were > called > >up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were > on > >military service. Then as I dig further, TARGET IS a > >French-owned corporation. > > > >Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American Veterans, > then > >why should I and my family support their stores by spending our hard > earned > >American dollars and to have their profits sent to France. > > > >Without the American Vets, where would France be today? > > > >Feel free to pass this along to whomever you want. In fact, Please do > pass > >this along to friends and family. I for one will no longer support this > > >retail chain. I will NOT shop in a Target store ever > again.............. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. > http://wine.msn.com/ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29450	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: FALL S-FEST 2002 CARS

The Chicagoland Association of S-Gaugers is making 2002 S-fest cars available for purchase at discounted prices! Both S Helper Service Refrigerator Cars -- $75.00 instead of $84.00 Both Refrigerator Cars and 1 American Flyer Graffiti Car -- $110.00 instead of $134.00 Complete Set of All 14 Graffiti Car Variations (only 7 exist) -- $500.00 instead of $700.00" CASG members can take an additional 10% off! For more information and to purchase 2002 S-fest cars, contact CASG Secretary Will Holt: WillowAssoc1@... - Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29451	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes article

While this topic is way off our purpose, there is a real lesson. At the very least, TARGET is guilty of not communicating, and probably arrogance. I suspect that those he talked to in the store and that replied to his email were so pumped up with their own importance that they miscommunicated the company policy. It must have been really important to them personally to tell him "NO". Several years ago I had a tread come off of a SEARS brand tire. When it came off, it damaged the trim strip around the lip of the car's wheel well. They would prorate the tire and warranty it out. But they would not repair my car. In this case, a trip piece and a screw driver is all that was required. The cost of the repair could not have been more than $20. When I got home I got the ol' lady's charge card and forbade her to ever shop at any SEARS store again. And I let people know that SEARS will not repair the damage caused by the products they sell. This should make us appreciate all the more the small shops and their owners and employees that help us with S gauge stuff. They treat the customer as if he is valued and they communicate without the arrogance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29452	From: waldootten	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter

> This should make us appreciate all the more the small shops and their owners and employees that help us with S gauge stuff. They treat the customer as if he is valued and they communicate without the arrogance.< Bingo. I have received a number of emails ripping me for supporting Doug Peck even though he "overcharged" me. I don't see it that way at all, gang. His charge for the new Flyer accessories was in my mind an appropriate and proper markup ($20 on an item that cost him $90) based on the price Lionel charged him. That's how you run a business. He had no clue Lionel would at the last minute offer its bigger dealers "blowout prices." The timing of this was lousy. He and other smaller dealers ended up with the tuscan end of the stick. If it wasn't for the smaller dealers, my American Flyer would cease to run. I am in constant need of replacement screws, wicks, nichrome wire, bushings, brushes, etc. How much money do you think small dealers make on the parts we all need? What's the markup on eight smoke unit screws? Enough to feed your family? Probably not enough to feed the family parakeet. And that's why most big dealers don't even mess around with stocking and selling parts. It doesn't fit in an agenda where making money is the sole objective. So in my mind, the prices charged were fair. Anyone who doesn't think so is welcome to their opinion. But I feel it kinda makes up for Doug having to maintain a large inventory of small parts, keeping them on standby for me for when I need them. If you want to diss anyone in this scenario, aim your artillery at Lionel, which may have irreparably damaged an important part of its distribution system. In this case, I use Doug as an example because that's how it started, but it applies to all small dealers who help us keep 'em rolling. Ask yourself what we'd do without them. Thanks, guys. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29453	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter

I too will continue to order from Doug and everyone else that I can. I never felt that I was overcharged on anything either. Who knows what will be overproduced and what won't be. If I see something I really want, rather than risk losing it to see if I might get a better price, I will buy/order it from Doug and he will be getting an order for some of the new 2004 Flyer from me soon. From here on out....Phil couldn't have said it any better. Gene ________________________________ From: waldootten [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Thu 1/29/2004 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter > This should make us appreciate all the more the small shops and their owners and employees that help us with S gauge stuff. They treat the customer as if he is valued and they communicate without the arrogance.< Bingo. I have received a number of emails ripping me for supporting Doug Peck even though he "overcharged" me. I don't see it that way at all, gang. His charge for the new Flyer accessories was in my mind an appropriate and proper markup ($20 on an item that cost him $90) based on the price Lionel charged him. That's how you run a business. He had no clue Lionel would at the last minute offer its bigger dealers "blowout prices." The timing of this was lousy. He and other smaller dealers ended up with the tuscan end of the stick. If it wasn't for the smaller dealers, my American Flyer would cease to run. I am in constant need of replacement screws, wicks, nichrome wire, bushings, brushes, etc. How much money do you think small dealers make on the parts we all need? What's the markup on eight smoke unit screws? Enough to feed your family? Probably not enough to feed the family parakeet. And that's why most big dealers don't even mess around with stocking and selling parts. It doesn't fit in an agenda where making money is the sole objective. So in my mind, the prices charged were fair. Anyone who doesn't think so is welcome to their opinion. But I feel it kinda makes up for Doug having to maintain a large inventory of small parts, keeping them on standby for me for when I need them. If you want to diss anyone in this scenario, aim your artillery at Lionel, which may have irreparably damaged an important part of its distribution system. In this case, I use Doug as an example because that's how it started, but it applies to all small dealers who help us keep 'em rolling. Ask yourself what we'd do without them. Thanks, guys. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29454	From: Steve Roche	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2164

I am a frequent reader but an unfrequent contributor. I live in Houston and came across a steam engine on a siding near the old Astrodome. Attached is a picture, Sure looks mighty big. I was trying to be sarcasstic but viewing a Challenger was very impressive. The city is getting crazy for the Super Bowl. The City of Houston has gone all out to make this an incredible event. Anywat enjoy the picture, Would be interested in feedback on our city on list or off list. Thanks Steve Roche ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2164 There are 17 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> 2. American Idol auditions... From: "Bruce Papky" <bpapky@...> 3. Re: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> 4. Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers From: Cbtrainnut1@... 5. NYC Passerger set From: jarcho@... 6. Re: FW: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> 7. new CNW caboose decals From: "TCS" <mopac@...> 8. RE: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> 9. RE: NYC Passerger set From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> 10. Model Railroader Sweepstakes From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> 11. VACUUM TUBES & Blantant AD From: anormal1@... 12. Re: NYC Passerger set From: tennsgauge@... 13. TEST From: anormal1@... 14. TEST From: anormal1@... 15. NYC Passenger Set From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> 16. Re: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> 17. Train Room cleaning 2004 - Stuff foe sale From: "the Reis's" <finnhill@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:42:37 -0000 From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning Hi Don, I spent several years as a Software Engineer as well as working in an IT environment. If I wanted to, I could spend my time writing viruses, but the people who do are dirt-bags who should all be locked up for the damage they do to private propery. I'm sometimes suprised that I never got into the MAC world instead of the "IBM compatible" PC's. I'm an admirer of Steve Jobs (and Wozniak) for their brilliant inovations. Other alternatives to Mr. Gates include UNIX/LINUX and even IBM tried it with OS2. They are/were all superior to MS operating systems. I've never even worked extensively on IBM mainframes, but their lesser competitors like Univac, and DEC for the most part, so I don't usually migrate to number one. Case in point, I model in S, own Fords and root for the Eagles. I was only kidding the MAC crowd, but when you think of it, a hacker will go after the biggest target and if the MAC ever gains more users, I'm sure that they'll decend on MACs, too. Till then, enjoy your emails with attachments while the rest of us make McAfee rich. To get back to trains, I again want to thank those who have helped out in the "S" Friendly campaign so far. The NASG website has been moved to a new webhost and has been updated, and now includes a link to the "S" Friendly Hobby Shops. It's at www.nasg.org Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > Dear Roy, > The worm goes into the address book of one computer (host) and steal > addresses to use as "sender" addressed. This was dicussed on these > e-groups a few months ago. They host computer had bookmarked or saved > out e-mail address. That PC (host) originated the virus to your > computer. The worm did not get into our Macs as the operating system is > not the same. .Many of these files like .exe or .dwg files do not work > on Macs. > Don > > Roy Hoffman wrote: > > >No I couldn't, because I'm in the 21st century. > > > >I even removed frames from my websites. > > > >Anyway, it makes it pretty scary then, since one of the infected > >emails had you as the sender. > > > >Roy > > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > > > > > >>Dear Roy, > >> You are so correct. That is why I know our computers did not > >> > >> > >send > > > > > >>you a virus as we use Macs. I can still open artwork files I made > >> > >> > >in > > > > > >>the 80's on my Mac. Could you? Maybe if you still used a 5 1/4" > >> > >> > >drive. > > > > > >>Don > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:45:40 -0500 From: "Bruce Papky" <bpapky@...> Subject: American Idol auditions... Hi David and Susan, I don't know if Jonathan has informed you about Heather and Pippi, Charlotte and Oscar being on 'American Idol'. The taping occurred last Fall in six cities including Honolulu. Heather went through three rounds of auditions, and at the audition with the executive producers, had P, C and O with her. They (producers) insisted that she bring the babies back for the final audition in front of Paula Abdul, Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell. The Honolulu segment of those auditions airs tonight on the Fox Network at 8:00 p.m. (here, and probably in Detroit area as well). Heather is so nervous about how they may have edited all the tape. We are very excited. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:51:01 -0500 From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning Roy, Whose cheek is that tongue firmly planted in? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning Well, that is not entirely true. There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. When we Mac users aren't working on curing world hunger, saving the whales, or photographing trains, we amuse ourselves reading the endless postings warning of the virus of the week, and how all the unfortunate Windows platform blighters are struggling to keep their cybers working. With tongue firmly planted in cheek :>>> Roy Inman ---------- > From: Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:10:06 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning > > The reason that hackers don't go after MACs is because there aren't > enough of them to make it worth their while. > > Sorry, couldn't resist! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:45:52 EST From: Cbtrainnut1@... Subject: Re: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers In a message dated 1/28/04 12:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > Doug, in light of this development, my personal thanks to you and > all the little guys who unlike the Big Dealers, place their passion > for the hobby over their profit from the hobby. From you guys I know > I can count on your time, your expertise, your parts, and your > patience. Things we can't count on from a Big Dealer. > > You folks are the backbone of our hobby. > > Sincerely, > > Phil K > I second His Motion. We have so many cheap people in this hobby and scale. Everyone wants a bargain. No wonder we can't get the hobby shops to carry the stuff. When they say they can't sell it they are correct. How many on this list have ordered mail order so they could save 5.00 bucks? I'm having a hell of a time getting a shop opened here in Dayton. Know one carries S-Gauge within an hour and 15 minutes of us. I know once my shop does open, I'll probably have to carry lots of HO and N-Scale to supplement the S-Gauge trains. It's time to quit complaining about retail cost and support the Local shops. That's how we get the shops to carry S-Gauge. Just my seven cents worth. Inflation you know! Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:29:50 -0500 From: jarcho@... Subject: NYC Passerger set I frankly do not understand the appeal of this train, especially the cars. To anyone who ever saw or rode on, a real NYC train, they must look bizarre. The New York Central postwar passenger fleet, the largest postwar passenger car fleet ever, is known throughout the railfan world as "The Great Steel Fleet", because it was mostly stainless steel. In fact, there is a book by that name. Chrome would have been much more appealing on the Lionel version than that gaudy two tone mess. NYC did have a few nice two tone grey passenger cars, including th e obs on the 20th entury, but they were smooth sided. Guess that engine looks ok. I had long since repainted a Flyer diesel in that scheme, with scalecoat paint and microscale decals. Tom Jarcho You can, too! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: FW: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:Well, that is not entirely true. There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. I think you need a new Guru, Macs are not invulnerable to virus attacks. Check out this article: http://www.securemac.com/datarecover.php?comment=all And the idea of locking out any virus by turning off the cd autoplay is ludicrous. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:11:57 -0600 From: "TCS" <mopac@...> Subject: new CNW caboose decals 824 bay window caboose with flag (1981) http://mopac1.tripod.com/824.gif 825 bay window caboose with flag (1981) http://mopac1.tripod.com/825.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:34:40 -0600 From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Subject: RE: An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers I appreciate the mail order dealer too. Mail order is my only choice. The closest dealer to me that will ORDER S gauge stuff is 1.5 hours drive away. Interestingly enough they have mentioned they may begin to stock some s-gauge items as the demand is increasing. I generally spread the stuff I order around a little. I order from Doug P. most years. I usually get some things from Engine House hobbies (located in Wichita Ks), and will order AM, Flyonel, or SHS. I also order from Lone Star Trains, in San Antonio Tx That covers about half of the country. On the subject of over-produced (not over priced) I had a suspicion there had been some sort of over production --> dump situation and wanted to hear some facts. Sounds like LLC does not know the value of partnering with their supply chain. We must remember that forecasting demand is one of the trickier issues of running a profitable business, and nobody gets it perfect. -----Original Message----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... [mailto:Cbtrainnut1@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An open letter to Lionel, Doug Peck and all you smaller dealers In a message dated 1/28/04 12:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > Doug, in light of this development, my personal thanks to you and > all the little guys who unlike the Big Dealers, place their passion > for the hobby over their profit from the hobby. From you guys I know > I can count on your time, your expertise, your parts, and your > patience. Things we can't count on from a Big Dealer. > > You folks are the backbone of our hobby. > > Sincerely, > > Phil K > I second His Motion. We have so many cheap people in this hobby and scale. Everyone wants a bargain. No wonder we can't get the hobby shops to carry the stuff. When they say they can't sell it they are correct. How many on this list have ordered mail order so they could save 5.00 bucks? I'm having a hell of a time getting a shop opened here in Dayton. Know one carries S-Gauge within an hour and 15 minutes of us. I know once my shop does open, I'll probably have to carry lots of HO and N-Scale to supplement the S-Gauge trains. It's time to quit complaining about retail cost and support the Local shops. That's how we get the shops to carry S-Gauge. Just my seven cents worth. Inflation you know! Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:36:58 -0600 From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Subject: RE: NYC Passerger set I have wondered about the paint job too...I have the PA's, and plan to get the AM Budd's to go along with them, especially after the rave reviews by this group of the AM Budd cars. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:30 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NYC Passerger set I frankly do not understand the appeal of this train, especially the cars. To anyone who ever saw or rode on, a real NYC train, they must look bizarre. The New York Central postwar passenger fleet, the largest postwar passenger car fleet ever, is known throughout the railfan world as "The Great Steel Fleet", because it was mostly stainless steel. In fact, there is a book by that name. Chrome would have been much more appealing on the Lionel version than that gaudy two tone mess. NYC did have a few nice two tone grey passenger cars, including th e obs on the 20th entury, but they were smooth sided. Guess that engine looks ok. I had long since repainted a Flyer diesel in that scheme, with scalecoat paint and microscale decals. Tom Jarcho You can, too! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:56:25 -0800 From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Subject: Model Railroader Sweepstakes ****((((((Thank you for entering the January 2004 Model Railroader sweepstakes! You are now entered to win an S-Helper Service S gauge train set! We'll be in touch if you're the winner - GOOD LUCK! While you wait for the big news, go to http://www.modelrailroader.com to get the latest product reviews, online exclusives, an active forum, FREE e-mail newsletters, video clips and much more! Best of luck, Your friends at Model Railroader Magazine )))***** Yep! It's true....I just entered!! "S" Gauge,....can ya believe it??!!?? Enter today!! Oops! There go the odds of ME winning now! Good job Don!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:32:22 EST From: anormal1@... Subject: VACUUM TUBES & Blantant AD Anyone needing a 117P7 GT Tube for the Electronic whistle control for the 324 AW. Please contact me off list I have some New ones $15.00 shipping included. Mike S. PS: Also I have CAIG in a smaller 1/2 oz size that will last the average person 10 - 20 years ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:13:43 EST From: tennsgauge@... Subject: Re: NYC Passerger set Well I do not understand why anyone but a collector would purchase the Flyonel PAs in any paint scheme that was also available from American Models. Operators are a lot better off with the American Models PAs. In fact I do not see Lionel as being competitive anymore on locomotives or rolling stock, except for unique items like action cabooses, handcars, unless its with the mikado steam loco, and we need to wait and see about it. And I would think the Flyonel passenger cars would be inferior to the American Models cars for reasons in addition to the paint job. Compare rollability, lighting, weight, overall appearance. It been a long time since I have purchased any Flyonel at all, but am I correct that the cars still roll only slightly better than the original Flyer cars? Earl Henry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:25:33 EST From: anormal1@... Subject: TEST ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:25:44 EST From: anormal1@... Subject: TEST ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:34:56 -0500 From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> Subject: NYC Passenger Set Gentlemen: I appreciate the information on the NYC PAs configurations and baggage cars. I have indeed bought the AM PA s. I have a New Haven and a Pennsylvania. I also have the AF Sante Fe, the Flyonel Sante Fe, Erie and NYC sets along with some AF NH PA s. I also have the AM streamline sets for my Pennsy E8 and GG-1. I guess that I should have bought the NYC PA s and passenger cars from AMs, but I didn't although I may get around to that some day when I have the cash and I mellow out. My reason for buying the Lionel NYC set at the time was sort of a spur of the moment way of making peace within my family. I'm from Phila area originally and a former big Eagles/Phillies/Athletics fan (read despise Giants/Mets/Yankees). Despite my mother dragging me up in the fifties from Germantown Station behind some GG1s to go on shopping trips to New York City with a couple of visits to the Gilbert Hall of Science, I'm a firm believer in avoiding anything to do with New York City and have gone around NYC many times but never through it. . This was reinforced by move to the Boston Area where after thirty some years, I have converted to the Red Sox and Patriots (Read despise Yankees/Jets). This has been reflected in my collections and layout operations. In my world there exists the Reading, Pennsylvania, Erie Lackawanna RRs directly interconnected to the New Haven, BM and MEC. Anything directly south of Poughkeepsie and the New York Central does not exist. However, my two grown up daughters are now in the Big Apple area and I had to make a condescending peace offering since my AM Amtrack and CONRAIL items don't have NY on them. Therefore, when they visit there will be a virtual NY Central portion of the layout for them to operate the NYC passenger set. When they leave it goes back on the wall to appreciate. Its sort of funny that despite not liking NY that the NYC set that I bought appears to have been a low volume number and its scarcity has driven up the price. If and whenever my daughters leave New York, I'll give a heads up on when the full set will come up on EBAY so that those at the other extreme who only model the NYC can spend their money foolishly Regards, Joe H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:36:23 -0600 From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: Re: OFF TOPIC - Virus Warning To Scott, et al: > roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:Well, that is not entirely true. > There are numerous holes in Windows platform stuff, and Microsoft and all the > hackers know it. As my computer nerd/guru tells me, Mac's are pretty much > invulnerable to viruses. It's the way the software interfaces. All a Mac user > has to do to lock out ANY virus, even one Mac specific, is to to turn off the > CD-ROM Auto-Play option. Period and end of story. Scott wrote: > And the idea of locking out any virus by turning off the cd autoplay is > ludicrous. Nope, the off turn of the CD AutoPlay works. A number of Mac books and magazine articles confirm this. And if you re-read the post (copied above) you will note that I said "Macs are PRETTY MUCH invulnerable to virus attacks." I did NOT say they were absolutely invulnerable. But enough of that. I use a Mac, it works for me, I have not (knock on wood) had a virus attack of any kind, in four years of running. None of my Mac user friends have every had a virus, and some of the folks have been using Macs for ten years. (Some people say that a Mac can PASS ALONG a virus, however. Sort of a disease carrier without being infected I guess. But I have no confirmation of this.) Doesn't mean I won't or can't get a virus, but for now I can spend more time with trains, and less time fretting over protecting my computer. Besides, I mostly deal with graphics and photos and Macs process that sort of stuff more efficiently that Windows platforms. Let's get back to trains :) Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:37:16 -0800 From: "the Reis's" <finnhill@...> Subject: Train Room cleaning 2004 - Stuff foe sale Train Room cleanout for the new year: Here are some packed away items that need new homes while I need more space. I thought I would offer them here before I take all the pictures and offer them on ebay. ITEM # 1: Locomotive and Railway Preservation Mags 18 issues 37-39, 42-45, 47-48, 50-58 also S/SN3 mags Vol 4 # 1, 2, and 3 All for $15 shipped USA48 basically shipping cost.................................... ITEM 2: Greenburg AF guide Second Edition 1984 excellent condition Hardbound with slip cover. $45 shipped USA48 ............................ ITEM 3: Greenburg AF guide 3rd Edition hardbound printed cover. Excellent condition $45 shipped USA48 .................................... ITEM 4: Aurotech Complete AF service manual (this was later released by Klein (black cover) 1978. $35 shipped USA48 .................... ITEM 5:Lionel Trains, Standards of the World 1st edition 1976 TCA published book. Like new. Hardbound with slip cover $25 shipped USA48 ........................................... ITEM 6: Greenburg Lionel guide 0 and 0-27 1945-1977 paperbound, complete good shape, and Greenburg Lionel Guide 1901-1942 hardbound very good shape. $30 shipped USA48 .............................................. ITEM 7: 963 observation car repainted silver, a little more metalflake than the original paint but not bad, some scuffs under the paint. Also a 631 gondola link converted to knuckle. This has the sheet metal trucks with the metal weights on them. $30 shipped USA48 ............................. ITEM 8: STEAM ENGINE - 301 reading plastic body 4-4-2, link coupler, minor rust on trucks, pretty clean otherwise, when set on tracks the reverse unit clicks nice but the engine does not move, engine is not bound up, it should just need a cleaning. $35 plus postage.......................... ITEM 9: STEAM ENGINE - 300AC, metal body 4-4-2, link reading, Reverse unit in boiler, wiring plug on wires from tender broken so I cannot tell if it runs. Everything seems complete, metal tender $35 plus postage.......................... ITEM 10: STEAM ENGINE 302AC metal shell metal tender, some minor rust on tender, well used, typical paint ships, Rivet missing on bar between engine rear truck and the Tender truck otherwise runs but I am sure it needs cleaning. $40 plus postage............................ ITEM 11: STEAM ENGINE 312AC PRR 4-6-2 link coupler, complete, looks good, tender ladder extension missing, tender to engine wiring was replaced with plastic covered wire, looks good and clean, looks complete, tender steps there, runs ok but could use cleaning and oil. $110 plus postage............................ ITEM 12: Electric Engine - This is a rare engine. Body is and Epoxy collaboration between Dick Karnes and Dan Olson. Basically the body is molded from 2 PA-1s cut in half with the noses shortened then glued together as a double ender. Tops cut down for pantographs. (included) With Dick's excellent modeling Skills this is well done. The running gear is a narrowed AF PA1 single engine chassis. (narrowed because the body is thicker than normal AF body) It ran when I put it on the shelf about 10 years ago but only has the reverse unit clicking now. Needs cleaning. Body is somewhat fragile cast epoxy. Painted flat dark grey, $60 plus postage.......................... First person that emails me with an "I'll take it" gets it. I have lots of bubble wrap and boxes from work so the only cost will be USPS postage. Make me an offer, I may take that too. I can also take pictures and send them but then I could have put them on EBAY too. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA - NASG - Ebay name is er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29455	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes Article

It was not my purpose to flame anyone. I was just commenting on similar problems we all have had shopping. I have seen people stand around even when asked for assistance. You are absolutely right, Mom and Pop have a vested interest in serving and servicing us. And the vast majority of the time they do it in a superior fashion. Last summer I was visiting my daughter in Anniston, AL. My grandsons wanted to go shopping. I asked them if there was a train shop around, I would like to see shat they had. They took me to one, The lady ("Mom") said all she had was some track that she had special ordered for a customer over a year before. This customer never came back to pick it up. She sold it to me for what she had into it. I don;t get that kind of service and treatment elsewhere. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29456	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/29/2004
Subject: Snopes Article

No offense taken. Some of us are a little sensitive at times. I just want to be sure that my dog ain't in a fight. I am looking forward to getting to the Rock and seeing the Challenger next week. My wife has a Sony Malvica camera that takes the pics to a floppy disc. It has a feature that lets you take high quality for picture developement, medium quality for printing and low quality for emailing. Since most of the stuff I take gets on the monitor, I really can't tell the difference. On occasion I will print one on my printer. I plan to take a pocket full of floppies. Anything that anyone wants in particular? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29457	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Smokestack for #282

According to a price guide, AF made the 282 in 1952 (without coal pusher) and 1953 (with coal pusher). I have the latter. I'm told the 1953 version had the red plastic smokestack. The exploded view diagram of the 282 indicates the brass smokestack. Which is correct? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29458	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Warning! Ebay and shipping cost

Below is my question and a reply from an ebay seller. This is on a single Flyonel passenger car in the box. I just got a different passenger car from a seller in California and the actual priority mail on the package was 6.80 with delivery confirmation and insurance. This item would be shipped from Illinois to Oklahoma. I don't mind much on the shipping, if he was going to stick with paypal, but I skipped an auction last night to wait on this item because he offered payment by papal. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++ ==== my message to him =========> > You mention "buyer pays all shipping costs" > > could you please give me an estimate? ==== his reply to me ===========> THANKS FOR THE INQUIRY...PARCEL POST FOR #3 IS $5.55, INSURANCE WOULD BE $1.30, CONFIRMATION .55 AND S&H $3....TOTAL$10,40...IF YOU WERE TO BUY BOTH MO.PAC. CARS OFFERED, SHIPPING WOULD ONLY INCREASE BY $3 ...ALSO, AM IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATING PAYPAL FROM OUR PAYMENT OFFERING....NOW ONLY ACCEPT MONEY ORDERS, CERTIFIED CHECKS, AND PERSONAL CHECKS (HELD 10 DAYS OR UNTIL CLEARED) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29459	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Please edit your replies

Fellows, we've been through this before, but it's happening more frequently. PLEASE don't include the entire previous day's S-Trains Digest when you reply to a post or want to make a comment. It's not that I mind scrolling through all the old messages. It's that our GroupWise server here (where I work) limits the length of any particular message. If you've re-sent the entire Digest as a part of your reply, I end up missing a significant number of posts. I can see that they exist from the "topics" list at the top of the Digest, but, if all the space has been eaten up by your submission, our server just cuts off the remaining messages. The only way I can read them is to go to Yahoo's page on the Internet and look at them individually. A pain. By all means, snip a sentence or two to let us know to what you are referring in your message, but don't make us read "War and Peace" to get to your "Same here" reply. Thanks, John Eichmann Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29460	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: please submit pictures

Open letter to anyone that has an S-gauge/scale layout. Please submit a picture to Classic Toy Trains to publish in their photo album. I'm so tired of seeing O-guage layouts. I don't have a layout but am thinking of making a small scene to take a picture of. It would be so nice to see three S-gauge/scale layouts. hope to see your pictures soon. Ed Vogler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29461	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

Are there photos or track plans of the layout anywhere? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29462	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2165

In a message dated 1/30/04 1:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:29:23 -0600 > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > Subject: Snopes Article > Bravo, I have said all along that the only thing we have to offer is service. My Dad, rest in peace, told me a long time ago that if America wanted to sacrifice service for a lower price, they wouldn't do it for long. Do you hear that giant sucking sound? It is people finally realizing that you can't have it both ways. I love trains and I love children and I am going to do what I can to make sure that I can contribute something positive for their benefit. One way is to keep a positive attitude and gentle nature when speaking with parents and children at train shows and trying to generate an interest. Thank you, I'll step down from my soap box, now. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO.htm http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO2.htm --- Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: > Are there photos or track plans of the layout > anywhere? > > Michael ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29464	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Smokestack for #282

If your loco originally had the red plastic smoke tube, my guess would be that the inside of the loco smokestack would be painted white. They did that to make it more visible. That red glow out of the smoke stack totally fascinated me when I was small, especially with the room lights off. Tom Jarcho "I'm told the 1953 version had the red plastic smokestack. The exploded view diagram of the 282 indicates the brass smokestack. Which is correct?" JF

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29465	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282

***((((According to a price guide, AF made the 282 in 1952 (without coal pusher) and 1953 (with coal pusher). I have the latter. I'm told the 1953 version had the red plastic smokestack. The exploded view diagram of the 282 indicates the brass smokestack. Which is correct?)))**** Greenberg NEVER totally gets the listings right on the 282,....well, they are MOSTLY right!! I have a 282, with the LARGE #282, link coupler, stamped 1953, plastic tender (NOT a coal pusher),... my tender is not listed,...and I have seen others like mine on eBay and train shows. I can't say for sure if mine CAME with the red tube, I had my 282 worked on back in '97, I think he may have replaced the tube with a brass one,....(I have a red one now).....I can't remember which was in it prior to his repair! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282

***(((If your loco originally had the red plastic smoke tube, my guess would be that the inside of the loco smokestack would be painted white. They did that to make it more visible.)))**** Ahhhhh...good point Tom!! Mine has the white inner smokestack. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29467	From: Tim	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

It's just as I thought. The loops aren't inter-connected. Why? So lots of trains could be run (with the reverse units either locked in forward, or the loci "hot-wired" to run in forward. That shows a lot of action to excite a naive audience. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yorke To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere? http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO.htm http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO2.htm --- Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: > Are there photos or track plans of the layout > anywhere? > > Michael ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29468	From: prince71443	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: erector

SALE'_>>_>>>__ a original [mt] erector set tube GILBERT NO 10032. good picture [a small tear in the blue field area not significant though to any of the various pictures or writing. overall condition is excellen wear is of nomalcy - no dents or holes or rust comes with screw-on cover. price $21.50 incl.S&H Thanks Jay {JETS}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29469	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

Interesting design drawings Paul. So is this NOT the showroom layout in this catalog page? http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1953Catalog/AF_1953_catalog_page30.htm Thanks Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29470	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

Oh, doesn't exactly look like the photo in the "All Aboard!" book page 154 with A.C. right on the benchwork. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29471	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Please edit your replies & ANOTHER thing

--- JOHN EICHMANN wrote: >.....By all means, snip a sentence or two to let us know > to what you are > referring in your message....... And if I could add one more thing......if you read and reply via digest.....PLEASE...can you change the SUBJECT of the email from "Digest #xxx" to the REAL subject of the email? I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think many of us would appreciate it. Thanks, Dennis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29472	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 1, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29473	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Showroom Layout

Trend Books 159 has several pics of the showroom layout.I got mine on ebay,happy hunting.Toy Trains(1951-54)magazines are another good source.These mags have numerous pics of Gilbert and Lionel showrooms,home layouts,and how-to articles,some of which are relevant today.Model Trains mag also had some tinplate articles in the 50's. This can turn into a whole new collecting opportunity.Have fun. Jerry Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29474	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

Michael asked: >So is this NOT the showroom layout in this catalog page? According to the notes on the layout sketch that Paul Y. posted, the layout shown was for an F.A.O. Schwartz toy store in NYC, not for the Gilbert Hall of Science display. I THINK that's the GHofS display in the catalogue. Or, duh, have I missed something again? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29475	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282

**((( the '53 FLYER catalog displays the 282 with a Northwestern logo/ American Flyer Lines plastic tender in both sets and they dont have a coal pusher visible in the picture.)))*** Yer right Jay,......I forgot to mention that,....even MORE proof they did make 282's with that tender!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29476	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > Michael asked: > > >So is this NOT the showroom layout in this catalog page? > > > According to the notes on the layout sketch that Paul Y. posted, the > layout shown was for an F.A.O. Schwartz toy store in NYC, not for the > Gilbert Hall of Science display. I THINK that's the GHofS display in > the catalogue. > > Or, duh, have I missed something again? > > > Chuck F. I don't remember ever seeing trackplans for the New York Hall of Science layout. It would be interesting to see how large the layout was and the routes the trains took. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29477	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Snopes article and The Open Letter

It never ceases to amaze me how a simple comment posted to this list mushrooms! My original comment simply answered someone's question about why Baggage Smashers were showing up at very cheap prices (approx. 50%) , despite a list price of $130. I KNEW the answer, so I posted it....it was not my guess....it was fact. Not to prolong the issue, but I want to clarify a statement made by someone in a follow-up posting...."small volume dealers" such as myself do not and cannot buy direct from Lionel....we have to buy through wholesalers (some of whom are retailers as well.....but that's another issue). I was not "charged $90 by Lionel" for the Baggage Smashers. My cost from the WHOLESALER was $90.99 per piece, including shipping to my door. Wholesalers, I think (yes....this is an unconfirmed guess), get their stock from Lionel for approximately 40 to 50%-off MSRP. They then add their markup, and add shipping, to arrive at "dealer cost". The price-cut that started this whole discussion gave them an additional discount on additional stock which they would agree to take (NOT on the original stock that they had ordered, as I understand it). Since the price-cut did not apply to the ORIGINAL order, it was not passed on to we dealers who ordered our supply from these wholesalers months before. I am not criticising the method, the process, or the businesses involved.....I am simply describing and clarifying the way it works (at least with Lionel). Our 2004 dealer orders are due to the wholesalers in mid-March. It will be interesting to see how they compare with 2003. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29478	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: WAY WAY OFF TOPIC

I hope all of you don't mind but I put the S-Train on the disk...you can see it at http://deepimpact1.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/certificate.cfm?CertNum=601277& CertName=THE%20GALS%20AND%20GUYS%20%2D%20S%20%2D%20TRAINS%20LIST This craft will crash into the Asteroid in July 2005... I have made Certificates for me and my Dear Wife...also the Grandkids.....If you want your individual name on one you have until Midnight Tonight... http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/index.html Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29479	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Smokestack for #282

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > If your loco originally had the red plastic smoke tube, my guess would be > that the inside of the loco smokestack would be painted white. They did > that to make it more visible. My 282 has the white inside, therefore I'll go with the red stack. > That red glow out of the smoke stack totally fascinated me when I was > small, especially with the room lights off. I saw a AF PRR Pacific running around at a show recently with the red stack--I thought it was kind of neat too. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29480	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Bridge Plans

I Would like to build a truss bridge for my layout. Does anyone know where you can get plans for such a bridge? I tried Plastruct and while they have an O gauge kit they don't seem to have any plans. Local Hobby shop dealer thinks he remembers Plastruct having plans a while ago. Would appreciate any help. thanks in advance Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29481	From: John Harvey	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: In Praise of Port Lines Hobby Supplies

I live in a country (Australia) where you will never find a Hobby Shop that has ever heard of American Flyer let alone stocks any of it. Since resurrecting the trains of my childhood in America I have had to rely on international mail order. Most of the large dealers in the US don't want to be bothered with my small orders and certainly don't stock the spare parts I need. Over the past 20 years I have relied on the small dealers. For the past two years I have dealt with Doug Peck and have always found him helpful. Not only does he stock what I need but he is always prepared to answer my questions no matter how trivial some of them may seem. His service is prompt and efficient and I am always assured of getting exactly what I ordered. When I decide how much of the new Lionel AF I can afford I'll put in my order with Port Lines. Regards, John C. Harvey brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. ***************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29482	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE

I hope I didn't offend anyone but here is the text on the certificate that will crash into Temple 1 in July 2005....the certificate looks very nice...with picture of the craft, etc..... Bob RCON7 DEEP IMPACT MISSION First Look Inside a Comet Participation Certificate Presented to THE GALS AND GUYS - S - TRAINS LIST On January 31, 2004 Thank you for your participation in the Deep Impact Discovery Mission to Comet Tempel 1. A compact disc bearing your name will be mounted on the impactor spacecraft that will collide with Tempel 1 making this the first mission ever to look deep inside a comet. You are now part of the future discovery of clues about the beginning of our solar system as your name makes a Deep Impact! Dr. Edward J. Weiler Associate Administrator NASA Office of Space Science Michael F. A'Hearn Principal Investigator Deep Impact Mission University of Maryland Certificate No. 601277

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29483	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 2

If you missed the earlier note you can still list your name until midnight tonight. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/index.html Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29484	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE

Maybe someone should sign up A.C. Gilbert too, since he was into those rocket cars! And this thing is headed up by someone at the University of Maryland! Maybe I should sign up the Terrapin Mascot! Go Terps! Beat NC State tomorrow! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DEEP SPACE > I hope I didn't offend anyone but here is the text on the certificate that > will crash into Temple 1 in July 2005....the certificate looks very > nice...with picture of the craft, etc..... > Bob RCON7 > > > DEEP IMPACT MISSION > First Look Inside a Comet > > Participation Certificate > > Presented to > > THE GALS AND GUYS - S - TRAINS LIST > > On January 31, 2004 > > Thank you for your participation in the Deep Impact Discovery Mission to > Comet Tempel 1. A compact disc bearing your name will be mounted on the > impactor spacecraft that will collide with Tempel 1 making this the first > mission ever to look deep inside a comet. > > You are now part of the future discovery of clues about the beginning of our > solar system as your name makes a Deep Impact! > > > Dr. Edward J. Weiler > Associate Administrator > NASA Office of Space Science Michael F. A'Hearn > Principal Investigator > Deep Impact Mission > University of Maryland > > Certificate No. 601277 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29485	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Showroom Layout Pics Anywhere?

The New York Gilbert Hall of Science layout that is referred to in this thread was built in 1949 and was located on the 2nd floor of the building. The layout was 80 feet long and was not normally open to the general public, but was open to dealers and others by special request. My parents arranged for me to view the layout in 1953. I have never seen a plan of the layout, but many photos of it have appeared in magazines such as "Electric Trains" and "Toy Trains", Gilbert's "All Aboard" booklet. A set of photos covering the entire layout just before completion was published in "The Gilbert News", Vol. II, published by Jim Walsh, D.J.'s Collectibles. This book is no longer in print, but is offered for sale periodically on EBay by someone whose name I can't remember. A rough track plan of the original layout could be developed from these photos. The layout was modified around 1951 and most published photos appear to be of the updated layout. Harry Eberhardt > I don't remember ever seeing trackplans for the New York Hall of > Science layout. It would be interesting to see how large the layout > was and the routes the trains took. > > Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29486	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE

MIKE You mean something like this? Don't tell the lyingl people..... DEEP IMPACT MISSION First Look Inside a Comet Participation Certificate Presented to A. C. GILBERT - AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN MAKER On January 31, 2004 Thank you for your participation in the Deep Impact Discovery Mission to Comet Tempel 1. A compact disc bearing your name will be mounted on the impactor spacecraft that will collide with Tempel 1 making this the first mission ever to look deep inside a comet. You are now part of the future discovery of clues about the beginning of our solar system as your name makes a Deep Impact! Dr. Edward J. Weiler Associate Administrator NASA Office of Space Science Michael F. A'Hearn Principal Investigator Deep Impact Mission University of Maryland Certificate No. 609585

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29487	From: JCB_Brent	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Trainmaster Command control

Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used to control AF trains? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29488	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

See http://tuveson.com/ and select TMCC for AF. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "JCB_Brent" <jim@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control > Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used > to control AF trains? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jim > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29489	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

Jim, Can AF be used with TMCC? Most certainly YES! First, to start you can get a package set with a Cab-1 and PowerMaster unit that will allow you to run ANY stock AF, AC-SHS and AC-American Models loco without modification to the loco. This will let you run them in the CONVENTIONAL mode. The PowerMaster unit is basically a remote control throttle for the layout. If you need more throttle controls you just add (up to 9) a PowerMaster similarly as you would add a conventional transformer. Each is controlled by the same Cab-1 remote control using the train-1 (powermaster-1), train-2 (powermaster-2), etc. function. Each PowerMaster needs a source for power,(14-18v AC.)such as a an existing transformer or you can use a PowerHouse etc. from Lionel for the power source. I power my layout with one transformer for several PowerMasters with no problem. This is the easiest way to start with TMCC. Then... If you will want to upgrade to COMMAND CONTROL soon as Lionel is adding TMCC to many of their new AF locos. You will need to add a Command Base to the layout. It too can be powered from the existing transformer or a PoweHouse etc. This unit talks to the receiver in the loco instead of the Powermaster allowing several TMCC equipped locos to run on the same power block. And... adding receivers to most any AF loco is possible with new smaller receiver driver boards. I have several designs on my web site for do it yourself driver boards that use a R2LC recover, and very soon there will be available these style boards ready made. You and also use an early out of production style LCRU board in many locos if you can find one. The only down side is that currently no TMCC receiver is small enough to fit in SHS locos due to their chassis designs, but some will fit in certain American Models locos. This will probably change in the future though as one will most probably be designed to fit in all.. You will want to look at my web site's TMCC pages at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm So in conclusion... YES! Carl -----Original Message----- From: JCB_Brent To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/04 5:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used to control AF trains? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29490	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

Jim, Can AF be used with TMCC? Most certainly YES! First, to start you can get a package set with a Cab-1 and PowerMaster unit that will allow you to run ANY stock AF, AC-SHS and AC-American Models loco without modification to the loco. This will let you run them in the CONVENTIONAL mode. The PowerMaster unit is basically a remote control throttle for the layout. If you need more throttle controls you just add (up to 9) a PowerMaster similarly as you would add a conventional transformer. Each is controlled by the same Cab-1 remote control using the train-1 (powermaster-1), train-2 (powermaster-2), etc. function. Each PowerMaster needs a source for power,(14-18v AC.)such as a an existing transformer or you can use a PowerHouse etc. from Lionel for the power source. I power my layout with one transformer for several PowerMasters with no problem. This is the easiest way to start with TMCC. Then... If you will want to upgrade to COMMAND CONTROL soon as Lionel is adding TMCC to many of their new AF locos. You will need to add a Command Base to the layout. It too can be powered from the existing transformer or a PoweHouse etc. This unit talks to the receiver in the loco instead of the Powermaster allowing several TMCC equipped locos to run on the same power block. And... adding receivers to most any AF loco is possible with new smaller receiver driver boards. I have several designs on my web site for do it yourself driver boards that use a R2LC recover, and very soon there will be available these style boards ready made. You and also use an early out of production style LCRU board in many locos if you can find one. The only down side is that currently no TMCC receiver is small enough to fit in SHS locos due to their chassis designs, but some will fit in certain American Models locos. This will probably change in the future though as one will most probably be designed to fit in all.. You will want to look at my web site's TMCC pages at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm So in conclusion... YES! Carl -----Original Message----- From: JCB_Brent [mailto:jim@...] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:15 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used to control AF trains? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29491	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

Carl - Your website says the Lionel LCRU is no longer available, but the Digital Dynamics site says they have them for $49.95. Am I misunderstanding something? Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: "JCB_Brent" <jim@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control > Jim, > > Can AF be used with TMCC? Most certainly YES! > > First, to start you can get a package set with a Cab-1 and PowerMaster unit > that will allow you to run ANY stock AF, AC-SHS and AC-American Models loco > without modification to the loco. This will let you run them in the > CONVENTIONAL mode. The PowerMaster unit is basically a remote control > throttle for the layout. If you need more throttle controls you just add (up > to 9) a PowerMaster similarly as you would add a conventional transformer. > Each is controlled by the same Cab-1 remote control using the train-1 > (powermaster-1), train-2 (powermaster-2), etc. function. > Each PowerMaster needs a source for power,(14-18v AC.)such as a an existing > transformer or you can use a PowerHouse etc. from Lionel for the power > source. I power my layout with one transformer for several PowerMasters with > no problem. This is the easiest way to start with TMCC. > > Then... If you will want to upgrade to COMMAND CONTROL soon as Lionel is > adding TMCC to many of their new AF locos. You will need to add a Command > Base to the layout. It too can be powered from the existing transformer or a > PoweHouse etc. > This unit talks to the receiver in the loco instead of the Powermaster > allowing several TMCC equipped locos to run on the same power block. > > And... adding receivers to most any AF loco is possible with new smaller > receiver driver boards. I have several designs on my web site for do it > yourself driver boards that use a R2LC recover, and very soon there will be > available these style boards ready made. You and also use an early out of > production style LCRU board in many locos if you can find one. > > The only down side is that currently no TMCC receiver is small enough to fit > in SHS locos due to their chassis designs, but some will fit in certain > American Models locos. This will probably change in the future though as one > will most probably be designed to fit in all.. > > You will want to look at my web site's TMCC pages at: > http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm > > So in conclusion... YES! > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JCB_Brent [mailto:jim@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:15 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control > > > Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used > to control AF trains? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jim > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29492	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

Dick, Digital Dynamic's web site say it is sold out. So is TAS. LCRU's are getting hard to find but the R2LC with AC/DC driver board will work better and reciever is still available and fits better if using a mini driver board.. Several new Mini Driver boards will be available soon. Carl -----Original Message----- From: rkuepper To: carl@...; JCB_Brent; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2/1/04 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control Carl - Your website says the Lionel LCRU is no longer available, but the Digital Dynamics site says they have them for $49.95. Am I misunderstanding something? Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: "JCB_Brent" <jim@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control > Jim, > > Can AF be used with TMCC? Most certainly YES! > > First, to start you can get a package set with a Cab-1 and PowerMaster unit > that will allow you to run ANY stock AF, AC-SHS and AC-American Models loco > without modification to the loco. This will let you run them in the > CONVENTIONAL mode. The PowerMaster unit is basically a remote control > throttle for the layout. If you need more throttle controls you just add (up > to 9) a PowerMaster similarly as you would add a conventional transformer. > Each is controlled by the same Cab-1 remote control using the train-1 > (powermaster-1), train-2 (powermaster-2), etc. function. > Each PowerMaster needs a source for power,(14-18v AC.)such as a an existing > transformer or you can use a PowerHouse etc. from Lionel for the power > source. I power my layout with one transformer for several PowerMasters with > no problem. This is the easiest way to start with TMCC. > > Then... If you will want to upgrade to COMMAND CONTROL soon as Lionel is > adding TMCC to many of their new AF locos. You will need to add a Command > Base to the layout. It too can be powered from the existing transformer or a > PoweHouse etc. > This unit talks to the receiver in the loco instead of the Powermaster > allowing several TMCC equipped locos to run on the same power block. > > And... adding receivers to most any AF loco is possible with new smaller > receiver driver boards. I have several designs on my web site for do it > yourself driver boards that use a R2LC recover, and very soon there will be > available these style boards ready made. You and also use an early out of > production style LCRU board in many locos if you can find one. > > The only down side is that currently no TMCC receiver is small enough to fit > in SHS locos due to their chassis designs, but some will fit in certain > American Models locos. This will probably change in the future though as one > will most probably be designed to fit in all.. > > You will want to look at my web site's TMCC pages at: > http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm > > So in conclusion... YES! > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JCB_Brent [mailto:jim@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:15 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Trainmaster Command control > > > Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used > to control AF trains? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jim > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29493	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control Addendum

One thing I forgot to mention when using TMCC with two rail track system is that you have to feed the TMCC signal to BOTH rails on just one. This is easy to do and I show how on my site at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCCSignal/tmcc_signal__distributioni.htm Basically, you couple the TMCC signal to both rails with a .15uf capacitor so the signal is the same strength when running in either direction. There are products that will to this but this method is much cheaper. My layout is probably the worst case senario for power feeds etc., as they are all tied and bundeled and until I used this method I was using RF chokes in the engine to solve this problem but now chokes are not needed with the R2LC reciever IF you use the coupling network I described. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29494	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Bridge Plans

Thanks to all who responed to question on bridge plans - Most recommended two books -Model railroad bridges and trestles or Bridges and trestle handbook. I have decided to order Model railroad bridges and trestles - Amazon.com had good price of 15.67. Again thanks to all who replied Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29495	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: Trainmaster Command control

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JCB_Brent" <jim@j...> wrote: > Does anyone know if Lionel's Trainsmaster Command Control can be used > to control AF trains? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jim I use a TMCC setup to control my conventional AF, AM, and SHS trains. The sound functions (whistle and bell) work with the AM sounds and with Lionel AF. Has anyone been able to activate a 314AW whistle with a TMCC and Powermaster? My 314AW will not respond, but I thought the TMCC whistle control was supposed to operate postwar Lionel air whistles (like the 314 unit). Anyone else have experience with this? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29496	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: "modern" track cleaning

What are your thoughts of the more "modern" means of cleaning track, such as the Trackman 2000? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29497	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Portable layouts

Bruce: In the Dispatch of April, 2001, Tom Robinson has what he identifies as a portable layout. In the article he calls it a modular layouot. In the accompanying article it says that the layout will be traveling to St. Louis that summer. This is on page 21. There is a schematic on the left side of the page and a picture on the lower right.It appears to be 5 foot wide and 20 foot long. There are 6 - 2.5X4 foot panels and 2 - 4X5 foot end caps. It features two ovals, an inner and an outer. My guess is that the inner oval used AF track, or track with a 38 inch diameter. The outer oval uses a much larger diameter, probably 48 to 56 inches. Did anyone see this layout when it was in St. Louis? Maybe they have some additional pictures that can post or give a report on it. Ol' Santa was to bring you some layiout design software. How does it work and how good is it? Thought you might be interested. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29498	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Bridge Plans

Dick, the kit has the plans in it. Use the HO scale kit and "upsize" it, using Plastruct parts and the Kalmbach "bridge" book (can't get up to get the exact title) as your guide. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29499	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Follow up!`

Please feel free to answer AFTER the Superbowl! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29500	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Good News or Bad News?

I have a very nice 322 that is cosmetically and mechanically the nicest in my roundhouse. The bad news is I had a wreck with it and broke off one of the rear steps. The good news is I have the step, but do not know the best way to reattach it. Can someone or everyone give me some suggestions? I would like to make the reconnection so it doesn't look like I plastered it with glue! Thanks, gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29501	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 1, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29502	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning

2/1/04 Hello Jeff: I have a Trackman 2000, and I think that it works very well, and it works way better than the Gilbert track cleaning cars. All my track is original AF, except for a few pieces of Gargraves flex track that I used in some problem places. I use the Trackman once every few months. That seems to keep things working pretty well. Just my two cents. Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29503	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/1/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > What are your thoughts of the more "modern" means of cleaning track, > such as the Trackman 2000? > > Jeff Feldmeier I use the Centerline Products track cleaner and it does a very good job. You wrap a heavy brass cylinder with a strip of dishrag material and saturate it with Goo Gone, a citrus-based solvent. The design of the car causes the cylinder to partially slip on the rail, providing a scrubbing action. I haven't tried it, but I suspect that putting one at the head of a train wetted with the cleaing fluid and another at the tail with a dry wiper would prevent the classic problem of pushing dissolved dirt and grease around the layout. It would also clean the wheels of the rolling stock in between. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29504	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: B & O Light Mike

Hello Bill....Did you "scratch build" this engine and or did you only paint the loco?...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "Painted Trains" <PAINTINGMODELTRAINSANDBUILDING@yahoogroups.com>; "Ed Kelly" <ekelly76@...>; "B & O List" <Baltimore_and_Ohio@yahoogroups.com>; "Brass Collectors" <brasscollectors@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] B & O Light Mike > Hi All, > > Here are a few photos of my just finished S Scale USRA Light Mike. The rods > are down. What a roster shot! > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/B_and_O_Light_Mike.jpg > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/B_and_O_Light_Mike2.jpg > > Unfortunately, it is not mine. I am delivering it to my customer today at > the Timonium Md. Train show. If I were a little better off, I would just > hand him a check and keep it! > > Thanks > Bill > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29505	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: The Value of the Small Retailer

It is our passion that has kept our hobby (and gauge) alive when the big guys abandoned us. It is our own time and our own money that starts and funds our little enterprises and finds or makes the products our hobby wants or requires. It is our lot to be trapped between the large supplier who views relatively small orders from us as a pain in the you-know-what and a customer base that is occasionally fickle and un-forgiving of an honest mistake. It is our lot to spend our time chasing those hard to find items to support our customers only to be chastised for price or shipping charges. It is our lot to maintain large inventories and spend serious money to advertise products at fair prices and then listen to all the complaints about ebay for the very same products we provide. It is our lot to be thrilled to tears when someone says thank you for helping with Dad's old train because it brought back so many good memories. It is our lot to go on because we love what we do. For all the Doug Pecks and Joe Haenns and Don Thompsons and RFGs and Mark Premans(who?) and others- remember; Buy high, sell low, and make it up in volume! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29506	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE

Bob, That is perfect! Bet Joshua Cowen isn't on that disk going into space. You have helped AC finally out do Joshua in something, Bob! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DEEP SPACE > MIKE > > You mean something like this? Don't tell the lyingl people..... > > DEEP IMPACT MISSION > First Look Inside a Comet > > Participation Certificate > > Presented to > > A. C. GILBERT - AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN MAKER > > On January 31, 2004 > > Thank you for your participation in the Deep Impact Discovery Mission to > Comet Tempel 1. A compact disc bearing your name will be mounted on the > impactor spacecraft that will collide with Tempel 1 making this the first > mission ever to look deep inside a comet. > > You are now part of the future discovery of clues about the beginning of our > solar system as your name makes a Deep Impact! > > > Dr. Edward J. Weiler > Associate Administrator > NASA Office of Space Science Michael F. A'Hearn > Principal Investigator > Deep Impact Mission > University of Maryland > > Certificate No. 609585 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29507	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning

I created a MOW train to clean my original AF track using the Center Line car in the lead with Goo Gone, pushed by an old AM (noisy) Geep, followed by an original AF track cleaning car (with dry felt wipers) and finish up with the SHS powered cleaning car to polish the rails. WORKS! The only problem is that the SHS car will sometimes derail or throw it's pad; haven't figured that out yet. Saves having to get to those hard to reach places by hand. I run it every month or so or before an operating session. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29508	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: "modern" track cleaning

Dear Neil, The company that make the track cleaning car for us sent us "O" (read "zero scale") pads by mistake. If you have these thicker pads, it will derail. The "S" scale pads are 2/3rd the size. How thick are you cleaning pads? Let me know and we will send you the correct pads. Don Neil Becker wrote: >I created a MOW train to clean my original AF track using the Center Line car in the lead with Goo Gone, pushed by an old AM (noisy) Geep, followed by an original AF track cleaning car (with dry felt wipers) and finish up with the SHS powered cleaning car to polish the rails. WORKS! The only problem is that the SHS car will sometimes derail or throw it's pad; haven't figured that out yet. Saves having to get to those hard to reach places by hand. I run it every month or so or before an operating session. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29509	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: PRR tender trade

Hi Guys, Because of a recent trade, I am 1 riveted 12 wheel tender shorter then I was before the trade. Does anyone have a preferably unpainted S Scale Omnicon 12 wheel riveted tender you want to trade even up for an Omnicon 16 wheel smooth side tender? There was a time when you could not find extra 16 wheel tenders anywhere. Here is your chance to swap one out! The 16 wheel tender you would be getting is unpainted and mint. It is compatible with all Omnicon PRR steam engines. This offer is for an even trade only. Thanks, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29510	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE

After 5 years of waiting, AF is running in Medford, in my attic. I'm running an old 343 that Dave Dewey reconditioned for me. New paint, lettering & #'s.  Also a S-n-S slo-speed can motor. I'm running DC on this on as I will on a few of my other wrecks that need paint & new lettering. I have a 312 & 322's ( one SIT & the other SIB)  waiting for their rebirths. The nice thing is the attic has been converted to a bedroom & is fully carpeted & I have no need for any rubber roadbed at this time. I know I'll get tired of running on the floor & want to do some other types of running. I'll also want to run my AC non converted stuff too.  Mike S. PS: I like the smell of the smoke fluid I use ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29511	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop

How would you wire two connecting loops in which you wanted both trains running in opposite directions on each loop and still be able to cross over to the other loop? Hope I made this clear. "Lost in the wires",John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29512	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE

Glad to hear it Mike. Say, What fluid r u using? Just HAD to ask. Don't think I could wait five years. Have Fun,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > After 5 years of waiting, AF is running in Medford, in my attic. > PS: I like the smell of the smoke fluid I use > > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29513	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: AF RUNNING IN MEDFORD ORE

***((((After 5 years of waiting, AF is running in Medford, in my attic.)))*** Good for you Mike!! Congrats!!! Have fun and enjoy!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29514	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.

- GreetingS - The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers had a great run at the Greenberg Train Show in Charlotte on 17 - 18 January. The layout was about 34'x 42' with a six track yard across the middle. It is believed that we had more show visitors than the other two layouts put together. Two Georgia Division members, Tom and Bob, came up with two of Tom's beau- tiful hi-rail modules. Button boards abounded as we were glad to have the visitors involved. Organizers were Gene Sankowski and Pete Hildenbrand. Ted Zanders from Columbia brought his deck of (layout) cards. A glance at the table where the cards were arranged showed folks which module went where. One good experience was seen at this show. It has happened before, but not with the strength seen here. Anyone can go to any module, add the legs, level, put in the bridge tracks, clamp, and make the interconnections. Any of the club members is capable of doing this and all did it with style at this show. It's a wonderful, cooperative spirit that exists amongst the members. Sunday at the show I watched a lad maybe 10 or 12 years age give a lot of intense concentration to the trains and to the accessories. He spent up to 20 minutes at a time operating the log dump train and the log loader. He would position the log car in the perfect position every single time. Finally his father came over to me to say `thank you' to the club for making the layout so interactive. He said it was good that the accessories were available and that his son could operate them. His son is autistic. I assured him we were pleased to make this opportunity available and hoped to do it again in the future. There is no telling when we may be touching someone, doing some good without realizing it. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29515	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Good News or Bad News?

Gary, If you JB Weld a piece of sheet brass to the back of the step and a short distance onto the inside of the tender it makes a nice repair. You will have to file a small rectangular notch in the corner of the tender floor to clear the repair. I do the same thing with the reproduction replacement steps. Take care, Don P.S. Someone asked earlier about the tabs on the tin tender. I solder replacement tabs made of brass onto the inside of the tender, just like another reply said, but I also bend a minute 'dogleg' into the brass so the new tab lines up better with the slots in the tender floor and seats better. >Message: 7 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:12:51 -0700 From: Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> >Subject: Good News or Bad News? >I have a very nice 322 that is cosmetically and mechanically the nicest in >my roundhouse. The bad news is I had a wreck with it and broke off one of >the rear steps. The good news is I have the step, but do not know the best >way to reattach it. Can someone or everyone give me some suggestions? I >would like to make the reconnection so it doesn't look like I plastered it >with glue! >Thanks, >Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29516	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop

In a message dated 2/2/2004 3:54:38 PM Central Standard Time, hcopter51@... writes: > How would you wire two connecting loops in which you wanted both > trains running in opposite directions on each loop and still be able > to cross over to the other loop? Hope I made this clear. "Lost in the > wires",John B. I am interested in answers to this because I need to make a similar decision soon. I want to complicate the question slightly, by asking how to wire the two connecting loops using American Models turnouts for the crossover. I never have figured a good way to insulate the rail sections between the two turnouts if you use them for a crossover on two parallel tracks. Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29517	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.

Any chance you guys could be persuaded to apply to the Kudzu 2004 show to set up your layout at that show? Its in Kennesaw, north of Atlanta, May 20-23. Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29518	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE

Mike.....come to think of it..With American Flyer he made a DEEP IMPACT on me!!!! Bob RECON ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DEEP SPACE > Bob, > > That is perfect! > > Bet Joshua Cowen isn't on that disk going into space. > > You have helped AC finally out do Joshua in something, Bob! LOL! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DEEP SPACE > > > > MIKE > > > > You mean something like this? Don't tell the lyingl people..... > > > > DEEP IMPACT MISSION > > First Look Inside a Comet > > > > Participation Certificate > > > > Presented to > > > > A. C. GILBERT - AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN MAKER > > > > On January 31, 2004 > > > > Thank you for your participation in the Deep Impact Discovery Mission to > > Comet Tempel 1. A compact disc bearing your name will be mounted on the > > impactor spacecraft that will collide with Tempel 1 making this the first > > mission ever to look deep inside a comet. > > > > You are now part of the future discovery of clues about the beginning of > our > > solar system as your name makes a Deep Impact! > > > > > > Dr. Edward J. Weiler > > Associate Administrator > > NASA Office of Space Science Michael F. A'Hearn > > Principal Investigator > > Deep Impact Mission > > University of Maryland > > > > Certificate No. 609585 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29519	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: Great run at Charlotte Greenberg Show.

When my wife and I were doing shows , we had autistic kids in almost every city we went to. It is great how intense they are. The parents taught us a lot about autism. I will miss that part of doing shows. Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29520	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Re: The Value of the Small Retailer

Mark, Your post puts a whole new slant on the phrase, "Pump UP the Volume!" ! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29521	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/2/2004
Subject: Good News or Bad News? Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2168

I have found a good fix to be the equivalent of a "root canal". Use a drill bit that is the diameter of a paper clip and drill through the chassis and into the step. Use a piece of paper clip to put a "pin" through both. This plus a drop of super glue (or Zap-A-Gap) will hold it. The pin reinforces the join to keep impact from stressing and snapping the glue joint. Flat black plus semi-gloss over-spray will match the finish. The "drill and fill" has worked for me long term although I recently repaired a Hudson tender step with just a drop of Zap-A-Gap. Nick Colleran >Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:12:51 -0700 > From: Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> >Subject: Good News or Bad News? > >I have a very nice 322 that is cosmetically and mechanically the nicest in >my roundhouse. The bad news is I had a wreck with it and broke off one of >the rear steps. The good news is I have the step, but do not know the best >way to reattach it. Can someone or everyone give me some suggestions? I >would like to make the reconnection so it doesn't look like I plastered it >with glue! > >Thanks, > >gary > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29522	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: PRR Boiler weight sale

Hi All, I have decided to offer my S Scale boiler weights again for a limited time. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/M1_Boiler_Weight.jpg This may work for other S Scale locomotives and other scales, but that is up to you to find out. All sales are final. I had a steel mold custom made that was designed to bolt right up for the M1. However, if you tell me ahead of time, I can space the inserts for the K4 and L1 as well. This will more then double the weight for your M1. I have them in my K4 and L1 too. You can notice the difference when you pick them up. You can still fish a 1.5 volt bulb for the headlight over the top of the weight too. There will be approximately a 3/8" space between the weight and boiler front. It is a constant 1 1/8" in diameter by 4 1/4" long. The tower opening is 1/2" x 1/2" x 2 1/4". The inserts are tapped for 2-56 and will NEVER spin or come out. There is also a small relief that is opposite the inserts that is 1/2" wide x 1/16" deep x 2" long. All of this for the low price of $27.00 each shipping included. Thanks, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29523	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop

In a message dated 2/3/04 12:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:06:13 EST > From: tennsgauge@... > Subject: Re: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop > > In a message dated 2/2/2004 3:54:38 PM Central Standard Time, > hcopter51@... writes: > > >How would you wire two connecting loops in which you wanted both > >trains running in opposite directions on each loop and still be able > >to cross over to the other loop? Hope I made this clear. "Lost in the > >wires",John B. > > I am interested in answers to this because I need to make a similar decision > > soon. I want to complicate the question slightly, by asking how to wire the > > two connecting loops using American Models turnouts for the crossover. I > never > have figured a good way to insulate the rail sections between the two > turnouts if you use them for a crossover on two parallel tracks. > > Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > The rails sections can be insulated by using code 148 insulated (plastic) rail joiners. These are available from Atlas as part of their 2 rail O scale line. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29524	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2169

In a message dated 2/3/04 12:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:08:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Preman <amerflyer@...> > Subject: The Value of the Small Retailer > Mark, Let me please say Thank you for something that we all, as train hobbyists should be sating to y'all as small business entrepreneurs. I say the word "small" doesn't apply in this instance. To all of you who supply us with much needed small parts and other items of necessity to keep 'em runnin' I say Thank You and I hope, one day, to make a small contribution to the furtherment of this great hobby. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29525	From: steve	Date: 2/3/2004
Subject: how do you remove a rivet - knuckle coupler

Thanks for any info you can share, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29526	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: rivet removal

With a Dremel tool & cutoff wheel, carefully cut off the flange. I some times use a small sharp side cutter, lift the flange, then with needle nose pliers smooth out the rivet for removal, the rivet can then be reused, a savings of a $.50 rivet. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29527	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: message failures

Occasionally the moderators receive reports from people who are not receiving their mail. Here is a Yahoo website where you can check to see if Yahoo thinks there is a problem with your e-mail address. http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29528	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: CWHISTLE CONTROL TUBES BLATANT AD

I now have the 117P7 GT Vacuum tubes if anyone has a need. Contact me off list, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29529	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM!!

I bought some things from a dealer on this list........Sorry your mails got deleted.....Please contact me....BTW....send in the payment...Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29530	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Free Mags - Wrap up

If you requested some of my 'Free Mags' and did not get them yet, please let me know. I think I still need mailing addresses for one or more folks. There will be more of this in the future, just need time to get organized. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29531	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2170

In a message dated 2/4/04 10:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > >How would you wire two connecting loops in which you wanted both > >>trains running in opposite directions on each loop and still be able > >>to cross over to the other loop? Hope I made this clear. "Lost in the > >>wires",John B. > I'd like to know myself, how to wire this kind of loop, I mean I am not the brightest bulb in the lamp when it comes to this. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29532	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: knuckle coupler rivets

You do not make it clear which coupler rivets you are talking about. Some of the earliest Gilbert knuckler coupler items had the coupler riveted to the truck. These are extremely rare and valuable and the rivet should not be removed. Anther way can be found to fix the problem. Some modern Lionel production has riveted couplers as well. If you mean the small rivet inside the coupler that holds the coupler knuckle and spring, the spread area at the bottom tip of the rivet can be reshaped with a needle nose pliers or ground off, so that the rivet can be passed up through the coupler body, and thus removed. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29533	From: steve	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler rivets

The rivet I refer to is on a diesel switcher engine (21831 Texas and pacific)and it holds the knuckle coupler to the truck frame. Or in this case, there is a rivet but there is no coupler on one side and the other coupler is broken. The part that is broken,is the part that is not supposed to move, the moving part is still there. If you have another solution to this repair issue please advise me. I finally have this one going after 35 years and would like to see it fully operational. Thanks, Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > You do not make it clear which coupler rivets you are talking about. Some > of the earliest Gilbert knuckler coupler items had the coupler riveted to > the truck. These are extremely rare and valuable and the rivet should not > be removed. Anther way can be found to fix the problem. Some modern > Lionel production has riveted couplers as well. > > If you mean the small rivet inside the coupler that holds the coupler > knuckle and spring, the spread area at the bottom tip of the rivet can be > reshaped with a needle nose pliers or ground off, so that the rivet can be > passed up through the coupler body, and thus removed. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29534	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler rivets

Open your vise slightly, mount the end of the truck frame (removed from loco) so the rivet is between the jaws, and the rest of the coupler mount is supported on the jaws, and drive the rivet out with a thin punch. Or, grind or file off the rivet lip. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29535	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Lionel 2004 Book 1 AF Items

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to announce the availability of the entire line of American Flyer items presented in the just released 2004 Lionel Book 1 catalog. Prices are pre-order prices and must be accompanied by a 15 percent deposit, or a Visa or Master Card credit card. Shipping and handling is extra. Number Item Retail My Price DueDate 6-48038 GN Electric $249.95 $220 Oct 6-48043 NYC Baldwin Switcher $249.95 $220 Sept 6-48354 SP Boxcar $49.99 $40 June 6-48414 Nesquik Tank Car $54.99 $45 June 6-48415 Hooker Chem.3-Dome Tank $49.99 $40 June 6-48416 Campbell Soup Tank Car $54.99 $45 June 6-48533 PFE Flat w/P-back Trlr $49.99 $40 June 6-48534 NYC Depr.Ctr.Flat w/Reel $59.99 $50 Sept 6-48535 GN Flat w/Bulkheads $49.99 $40 June 6-48726 NYC Boom Car $49.99 $40 June 6-48809 NP Reefer $49.99 $40 June 6-49013 PRR Depr.Ctr.Searchlt.Car$69.99 $57 Sept 6-49014 NYC Crane Car $69.99 $57 June 6-49015 Westside Lumber "Moe/Joe"$69.99 $57 Sept 6-49016 SF Walk.Brakeman Boxcar $69.99 $57 Sept 6-49017 GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $57 Oct 6-49613 Southern Work Train Set $449.99 $400 Sept 6-49815 #741 Handcar and Shed $99.99 $77 Oct 6-49816 #771 Stockyard and Car $149.99 $118 Oct 6-49817 #785 Coal Loader $149.99 $118 Nov 6-49818 #23830 P-back Unloader $69.99 $57 Nov 6-49819 #583A Electromag.Crane $249.99 $195 Nov Orders must be received no later than March 10, 2004. E-mail if you have questions. These items can be seen at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/Findex.cfm Select Lionel Classic Trains Volume 1 2004 Catalog. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29536	From: Bruce	Date: 2/4/2004
Subject: Re: Portable layouts

I got the RR-Track v4 software with the American Flyer library. I haven't had a lot of time to figure out all the bells and whistles, but I laid out my plans for my next layout and then tweeked it a bit. I posted the results (a 2D view and two 3D views) in my new layout album (http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun64) It is pretty easy to use. I made custom length pieces of track where I needed them and the 2D view prints the lengths for each piece so I know exactly what I need. Unless I'm not finding all of it, the accessory library isn't real extensive (I had to use a plain light tower in place of Gabe). I don't know what other software is out there for designing layouts, but this works pretty good for me. I love the 3D views. You can check their website at www.rrtrack.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > Bruce: > > Ol' Santa was to bring you some layiout design software. How does it work and how good is it? > > Bigfoot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29537	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Glenn Ritter

Hi Folks Glenn Ritter was in a severe auto accident about two weeks ago. He is doing okay now, buy will be recovering for quite some time. With a couple of operations and physical therapy he hopes to be back to almost 100% If you would like to call Glenn you can at his cell phone 215 264 6642 You can also send him an email at gartrain@... But Glenn won't be able to answer them for a while. As you all remember Glenn was our NASG Secretary from 1999-03 and the founding member of the North Penn S Gaugers John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29538	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Plastic air hose

Hi All, Does anyone have a supplier of the plastic air hose used on most brass models? The hose I would want is approximately .060 O D x .030 ID. I would buy at least a few feet of it. Thanks, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com www.pennsysmodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29539	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop

Maybe I should re-phrase the question. Has anyone wired a reverse loop. Did you use the acg reverse loop kit or What? Thanks,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bilfrazier@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/04 12:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:06:13 EST > > From: tennsgauge@a... > > Subject: Re: 2 Loop or Not 2 Loop > > > > In a message dated 2/2/2004 3:54:38 PM Central Standard Time, > > hcopter51@a... writes: > > > > >How would you wire two connecting loops in which you wanted both > > >trains running in opposite directions on each loop and still be able > > >to cross over to the other loop? Hope I made this clear. "Lost in the > > >wires",John B. > > removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29540	From: TCS	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Fw: [RPM-forum] Re: Yahoo SpamGuard

Tom Stolte McLouth, KS www.oddballsdecals.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Brennan" <brennan8@...> To: <RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <RPM-forum-owner@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: [RPM-forum] Re: Yahoo SpamGuard <frown> > Those of us who use e-mail filters to pre-sort our incoming mail have found > the Yahoo's new "SpamGuard" is, at best, a simplistic approach, and more > likely, an annoyance. > > For Instance: It appears that -ANY- message with the word "photos" in the > subject will be re-labeled as [Spam]... > > The Yahoo SpamGuard changes the message "Subject" Header (i.e. removes the > [GroupName] ) and causes typical mail filters NOT to work correctly... > > I would ask that our group owners/moderators go into the Group Management > page, select the "Posting and Archives [Edit]" option and turn OFF the > SpamGuard Feature... > > Thanks > > > =============================== > Richard Brennan - San Leandro, CA > =============================== > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29541	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: air hose part 2

Hi All, Thanks to those who have replied. I should have mentioned that purpose of the hose I am looking for. I need the small black hose that is used between the train pipe valve and air hose end/quick disconnect. Again, it is approximately .060 O D x .030 ID. Many brass models have this hose. I am out and need more. Thanks, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com www.pennsysmodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29542	From: steve	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Still looking for a pin conector for a 21115 Loco to tender

Let me know if you have one and how much your looking to get for it. Thanks alot, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29544	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII

Just a follow up note to the Original offer of Jan 1. There are 5 VHS tapes and 10 DVD's left of this volume. IMHO it is one of the best of the lot. There are still a few tapes left of Vols. I through VI. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29545	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Re: 2 loop

Hi. I am not an expert at this but I may be able to help a little. If you use the ACGilbert reverse loop kit, I think you can accomplish what you are trying to do. It will let you change the direction of current on one of the two loops to be compatible with the other loop. And it does this without ever turning the current off to that section, not even for a split second. I think there are some very inexpensive Atlas control buttons that will let you do more than that. The buttons will let you control several blocks at a time. And there are three settings for each. You can turn the power OFF to that block. You can turn it ON with current going in a particular direction. The third setting is to turn the current ON BUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION to that block. To me this is a preferable option. And I am sure there are other options. I think you would have a momentary break in current in switching from one position to the opposite position. I think there is more than one of these Atlas controls. Some of them only control a couple of sections at a time. I know there is another one that can control up to 4 sections at a time. I think you can connect more than one of these switches together if you wanted to control additional sections. Perhaps someone else can advise whether the Atlas switches makes sense and tell us exactly which control to buy. Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29546	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Lionel #741 Handcar and Shed

Has anyone else noticed that the 2004 Lionel Book 1 Catalog offering of the #741 Handcar and Shed uses the #741 designation and shows the reversing lever in the picture, but the description says nothing about it being a reversing handcar. The Gilbert #740 was the non-reversing handcar, while the #741 was the reversing handcar. Common sense would dictate that Lionel would not issue a handcar with a shed and only one entrance without it having a reverse unit to back out of the shed. I have asked Lionel for clarification, but have not yet heard back from them. Bob Bubeck or anyone else, can you verify that this will be the reversing handcar? Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29547	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2004
Subject: Scale Ruler

Hi Everyone should own one because your missing all the extra items that can be used by not checking dimentions. Or cary a paper copy of one to the stores and train meets to check door heights, people heights etc. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29548	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII

I agree with Steve, this one is very good, it has some interesting and amazing stuff. --- boss31@... wrote: > Just a follow up note to the Original offer of Jan > 1. > > There are 5 VHS tapes and 10 DVD's left of this > volume. IMHO it is one of the > best of the lot. > There are still a few tapes left of Vols. I through > VI. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29549	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: U25B's

Morning all, I had posted a couple days ago to the S Scale list that the American Models U25B's were in hand and they are fantastic, super paint and detail, very well done and very well packed. After going through the first promise of the U25B's some 39 years ago and the catalog scam that followed, it was a real pleasure to see in a matter of two months from the announcement to arrival in hand a most interesting GE locomotive and a real shaker in the railroad industry in the early 1960's.... Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29550	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: That time ?

**(((This is where the expression "just my 2 cents" came from.)))*** Wow Fred,....you make more then ME!!!!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29551	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: [Fwd: [Switchers] Digest Number 166]

From another list, info on using the "HO" Plymouth switcher, that looks S scale to my tired ole eyes; http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/ply-w.html ============= Subject: Omule - Mighty Uselful Little Engine Fellow Modelers: If you are interested in an great little On30 diesel switcher that is ready to run and costs around $20 or less, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omule/ On this list, discussion will be limited to the development of the Omule to its full O Scale potential and it should be fun to see what some talented modelers can do with this critter. It will be intereting to see if it can be regauged to On3. What could you do with an Omule? Bobber Gibbs --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/2004 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29552	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Wiring diagrams for AF Steamers

Where can I get large detailed diagrams for the wiring of American Flyer Steam Loco's? I have the Black Audels ? book but does not detail the wiring. I have a 290 that needs new wiring.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29553	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Wiring diagram for AF Steam locos

Jackotrains: you can find a large clear diagram of all the most common wirings of AF steam locos all over the web. One place I know it is for sure is Doug Peck's website. I think it is on Carl Tuvesson's site too. This drawing was made by Macon Short and myself and can originally appeared in the Roundhouse column in S Gaugian magazine, May/June 1992 issue. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29554	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: off topic - S-scale 'erector set' ferris wheel

Anyone interested in my S-scale ferris wheel project ... visit... http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo11 Still in the design stage. I have purchased some Trolly bodies from Terry Putt over at http://www.putttrains.com/ They need to be assembled. For the wheel to be S-Scale I am replacing the seat with the trolly bodies , similar to the original Ferris Wheel of 1893. See ... http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/newsletter.html and http://columbus.gl.iit.edu/dreamcity/00024024.html Mine is not a scale model of that, just inspired by it. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29555	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam engine motor bearing specifications

Does anyone know the original factory spec's for the motor bearings on AF loco's? I have all toooo many worn motor bearings on my loco chassis, and brush housing... I guess I only really need the exact ID on each end (should be the same?), and can get the rest from existing pieces. I'm pondering the thought of taking a crack at manufacturing some, but I don't know what the original specifications are; mine are far to worn to get accurate measurements. -or- Is there anyone out there that has "new" bearings? Thank you!!!! -Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29556	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam derrick boom

Evening all, Anybody got an extra green boom from a stamped tin wrecker or the motorized crane , that they would part with? Can be with out the positioning screw and hand wheel if that helps out any. A hook would be nice but not necessary. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29557	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: Steam engine motor bearing specifications

A new bearing measures .158-9" or #21 drill. A new Armature shaft measures .150" So .008 clearance. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gehrig [mailto:rgehrig@...] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:02 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam engine motor bearing specifications Does anyone know the original factory spec's for the motor bearings on AF loco's? I have all toooo many worn motor bearings on my loco chassis, and brush housing... I guess I only really need the exact ID on each end (should be the same?), and can get the rest from existing pieces. I'm pondering the thought of taking a crack at manufacturing some, but I don't know what the original specifications are; mine are far to worn to get accurate measurements. -or- Is there anyone out there that has "new" bearings? Thank you!!!! -Richard S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29558	From: steve	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: whats a 2 pin male conector for a 21115 loco to tender worth?

Ok, I know "whatever your willing to pay" This may be true but i'm sure someone must have bought or sold an original one of theses at some point. If you have any idea what the going rate is, based on anything, please let me know. I do know I can get a repro for $4.50 through someone in this group and may choose to do so. thanks for your input, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29559	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Website Update

Hi All, I have made some major revisions to my website http://www.lanestrains.com I have figured out how to do all the work myself. Please give it a look. Thanks, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com www.pennsysmodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29560	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 8, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29561	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Steam engine motor bearing specifications

Steam engine motor bearings are, in my view, by far the most badly needed repro part in Flyer S gauge right now. Both front and rear. BUT, I feel we need them with the four ridges on the outside, the way the originals were made. This would make it a pop in part, no glue necessary. Without ridges, they would either have to be glued or force fit. -The materials, white metal and bakelite, that most of the bearings would be force fit into, are brittle, and force fitting things into them is to be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Damage might not show at first, but after a few cycles of heating and cooling, who knows? -If glued into place, strong glue like ACC or Loctite would be necessary. Epoxy cannot be relied on in this application. Then, the replacements could not be removed without risking damage to the holes in chassis and brush bracket assembly, including the slots that accept the ridges. I plan to run my favorite locos long enough to wear out the replacement bushings too! -No skill is needed to pop out old bearings and pop in new ones. All of us could use them. Therefore, I feel that the best answer is to get sintered bronze bearings made up, just like the originals. The ridges on the outside of the bearings would be easy to make in a bearing made in a mold, but very difficult to make in a small machine shop or basement. The ridges would have to be accurate, too. Oil impregnation is probably not necessary -- in any event it could be done at home in a pressure cooker. And we literally need thousands of them. Almost every Gilbert steamer out there would have its performance enhanced if the replacement bearings are accurate and high quality. I certainly would put a pair in every steam engine I own or service, if they were affordable and good. Pardon my going on at length, but I have been thinking about this issue for quite some time. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29562	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: derrick boom

Evening all again, Derrick boom has been acquired. Thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29563	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: (no subject)

This may be off subject to some, but if someone else had posted it, I woulkd have been interested, so thought there might be some other on the list who would be. Union Pacific's Challenger 3985, the largest operating steam engine in the world made a maintenance stop in Van Buren, AR, this afternoon on the way home from the Super Bowl to home base in Cheyenne, Wyo. Since I was only about 80 miles away I couldn't pass it up. She was running a couple hours behind schedule and light was fading fast by the time of her arrival. The pix would have been better if she was on schedule. I posted about a dozen pictures at the following link. If you have trouble with a two line link in your email, you can drop off everything after "theheadlinerssite/" and click the top album http://groups.msn.com/theheadlinerssite/upchallenger3985.msnw?albumlist=2 Jerry Hiett _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29564	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Here's one to take a L@@K at.....

I have been looking at this Kit Bashed engine on E-bay...Now its time for the rest of you to make comments on what looks like a nice piece of work .....Item # 3174326770 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3174326770&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29565	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Here's one to take a L@@K at.....

Ok ..Here's an engine I have been looking at on e-Bay ....If nothing else its a good kit bashing job.....Now its time for you to look and make comments ....item # 3174326770 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3174326770&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29566	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: off topic - S-scale 'erector set' ferris wheel

Well Paul, That seems to me to be exactly the sort of experience I hope to get from my toy trains. It combines the history of old ACG with a project that will enhance the overall appearance and movement of your display. If you get it finished and working, you ought to consider bringing it to the TTOS shows in Port St. Lucie. Nice work, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:s_trains@...] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:53 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] off topic - S-scale 'erector set' ferris wheel Anyone interested in my S-scale ferris wheel project ... visit... http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo11 Still in the design stage. I have purchased some Trolly bodies from Terry Putt over at http://www.putttrains.com/ They need to be assembled. For the wheel to be S-Scale I am replacing the seat with the trolly bodies , similar to the original Ferris Wheel of 1893. See ... http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/newsletter.html and http://columbus.gl.iit.edu/dreamcity/00024024.html Mine is not a scale model of that, just inspired by it. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29567	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: Steam engine motor bearing specifications

In a message dated 02/06/2004 6:20:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, carl@... writes: A new bearing measures .158-9" or #21 drill. A new Armature shaft measures .150" So .008 clearance. Carl Carl. Most of the armature shafts I have measured were between .154 and .155. .154 is the measurement we used for the shafts on our can motors for Flyer locos. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29568	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!

Anyone know how I can contact E-Bay by Phone or E-Mail?? I've tried looking everywhere. Phone would be best, Thank You, Mike S FORMERLY anormal1@aol now Anormal101 on E-Bay & a bit upset about it ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!

***(((Anyone know how I can contact E-Bay by Phone or E-Mail?? I've tried looking everywhere. Phone would be best, Thank You, Mike S)))*** Whew!! Good luck Mike,....I talked to them once,...but THEY called me!!! There is a way by email. I'll try to remember!! Did ya try Safe Harbor??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29570	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!

To Mike and all.... try this.... http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/ for a possible contact for eBay. There is a little green box that says,..."REPORT A PROBLEM" . Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29571	From: vickiec40403	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: resistance

Hi, Does anyone know what the resistance of the armature and field windings should be on a 466 comet and also on a 371. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29572	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Purchase Advice - AF 747 Cardboard Trestle

Greetings, I came across a #747 Cardboard Figure 8 Trestle Set last night. I would say new-in-box. The pieces haven't been broken apart, or folded, instructions right on top, complete box. Pretty darn good looking! (Pardon the harsh language.) They want $39 for it. What is your advice? Is it worth it? My TM guide lists it at $29 with box. Thank you in advance. Bill (cDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29573	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Trains Display at the Library!

If your local museums or librarys have display cases that they need to fill, I suggest you contact them and lend out some of your stuff. I did just that this morning. It is the third time I have done this. I usually arrange for a train session in the meeting room a week or so after I pull the display. I just lay a loop of track, and set up the barrel loader and log loader, the kids love to press those buttons. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun30/lib_display ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29574	From: Alex	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: resistance

Fred, I just repaired the motors on my 470. The armatures read 1.6-ohms per each of the three sections. Both field windings read the same at 1.9-ohms each. I used a Fluke 8030 digital multimeter to make these readings. Hope that helps. By the way, one armature winding initially read 0.6-ohms, which was equivalent to a short. Cleaning the space between the commutator sections, using an Exacto blade, restored proper operation/readings. The accumulated gunk was conductive. = Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: vickiec40403 [mailto:fpocius@...] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 9:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] resistance Hi, Does anyone know what the resistance of the armature and field windings should be on a 466 comet and also on a 371. Thanks Fred S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29575	From: keefer1	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: E_BAY HELP!!!!!!

The email address I use to contact ebay is customerservice@... at my seller list it appears the finally got rid of all email addresses being used as ID's .Keith --- anormal1@... wrote: > Anyone know how I can contact E-Bay by Phone or > E-Mail?? I've tried looking > everywhere. Phone would be best, Thank You, Mike S > FORMERLY anormal1@aol now Anormal101 on E-Bay & a > bit upset about it > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29576	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: Trains Display at the Library!

**(((If your local museums or librarys have display cases that they need to fill, I suggest you contact them and lend out some of your stuff.))*** Great Paul!! I have thought of doing that also. Maybe I should follow through!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29577	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: repro knuckle coupler--punt???

At a recent show, I aquired AF #637, the Katy yellow boxcar. The car had a link coupler on one end and nothing on the other end. From the same seller I bought a knuckle coupler for the latter in hopes of making another coupler "conversion" car. I since aquired a split-pin and installed the coupler, adjusted the height and made sure it was square. No problem. Unfortuantely the dang weight of the KC sticks down too far and causes the knuckles to open at switch frogs and other spots on the layout. Based on my readings in the archives this seems to be a common problem with repro KCs. Question: do I punt and go back to a link coupler? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29578	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: New drawbar attachment for AF #282

My other project of late involves placing a new drawbar attachment on my "inherited" 282. I have a drawbar repair set/kit from Doug. First I want to know what the arrangement is from time to bottom. Is it: Head of stud Washer Tender truck "drawbar" Locomotive drawbar Bushing? If this is correct I have may have a problem with the stud--it seems too wide as only the skinny, bottom portion will fit through the hole in the locomotive drawbar. As such, there isn't enough of the bottom of the stud to grab the bottom bushing. It seems the stud was common among many types of AF locos, including most, if not all Pacifics. Am I missing something or do I really have a kit for the wrong application? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282

On my 282: Head of stud- washer- tender "drawbar" washer- loco "drawbar" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29580	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: repro knuckle coupler--punt???

Bend the tab on the sheet metal truck up a bit. The top of the coupler needs to be parallel to the track after this operation so bend to suit. I don't like the way the knuckle sticks way out from the car on conversions so I also shorten the tongue that holds the coupler by folding the sheet metal some. It's pretty soft and I have bent it almost back on itself without fracturing the sheet metal. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] repro knuckle coupler--punt??? > At a recent show, I aquired AF #637, the Katy yellow boxcar. The car > had a link coupler on one end and nothing on the other end. From the > same seller I bought a knuckle coupler for the latter in hopes of > making another coupler "conversion" car. > > I since aquired a split-pin and installed the coupler, adjusted the > height and made sure it was square. No problem. Unfortuantely the > dang weight of the KC sticks down too far and causes the knuckles to > open at switch frogs and other spots on the layout. > > Based on my readings in the archives this seems to be a common > problem with repro KCs. Question: do I punt and go back to a link > coupler? > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29581	From: Alex	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: resistance

True enough Yabo, but because I've been an electronics technician for 45 years or more, I understand that. To make my tests, I press the ohmmeter leads together tightly to check the meter before using it, and I press the probe contacts very tightly to the low resistance armature and field coils under test. A 4-wire Kelvin-style meter would be overkill, as I can clearly see repeatable readings with my garden variety fluke 8020 DMM, and I can see meaningful readings from winding to winding. My ohmmeter let me immediately zero in on the defective commutator! Remember, most S gaugers on the list don't have 4-wire instruments, much less quality DMMs, VTVMs, or VOMs. :-) Anyway, many thanks for your comments. Appreciate you taking the time. == Alex in Kennebunk, Maine (ISCET Certified Electronics Technician, FCC First Class radio engineer, FCC Amateur Extra Class licensee (AI2Q) .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Yablonski [mailto:yabo1@...] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 12:21 PM To: alexmm@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] resistance Alex, Be careful of errors at such low values. Did you reference out the lead resistance. It typically is .2 to .4 ohms. Also if the probe tips are not clean you can get up to another .2 ohms of error. To truly get a good reading you need a 4 wire ohm meter to measure accurately at these low values. Cheers, (Yabo) Robert E. Yablonski -----Original Message----- From: Alex [mailto:alexmm@...] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:38 AM To: 'vickiec40403'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] resistance Fred, I just repaired the motors on my 470. The armatures read 1.6-ohms per each of the three sections. Both field windings read the same at 1.9-ohms each. I used a Fluke 8030 digital multimeter to make these readings. Hope that helps. By the way, one armature winding initially read 0.6-ohms, which was equivalent to a short. Cleaning the space between the commutator sections, using an Exacto blade, restored proper operation/readings. The accumulated gunk was conductive. = Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29582	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Book (was resistance measurements)

This email is primarily a friendly reminder for those who repair their own Gilbert trains a lot, or intend to. There is a wonderful book available that can be very helpful with identifying, testing, and repairing the electrical components, the coils and solenoids, in Gilbert S Gauge trains. It is the A.C.Gilbert's Postwar American Flyer S Gauge Reference Manual, by Bob (Robert A.) Hannon. Somehow, this book has not been accorded the respect it deserves. Big mistake. IDENTIFICATION: The book contains full size color photos of each armature, field, and solenoid that was ever used in these trains. These enable you to accurately identify a part you may have in front of you. One example: there are four different types of diesel (PA-GP7-EP5) armatures, though the factory only listed three different part numbers. There are lots of helpful measurements of length and width given, too. TESTING: The book contains a correct resistance or resistance range for each coil. With armatures, the resistance is given from one commutator plate to another, which is the most convenient way to measure it during the repair process. This enables the user to evaluate if a coil's enamel insulation has been damaged by heat, chemicals, age, or vibration, and if so, how badly. The resistance will usually be lower, because electricity can pass from some windings to others more easily. Other flaws can also be found with a meter. Sophisticated equipment is not needed. A decent VOM or DVM with a good 1x ohms scale will work fine. An $18 multimeter will not cut it, but a good enough meter can be had for well under $100, if you shop carefully. REPAIR: The book contains full sized color photos of each solenoid core with the wire removed. Arrows indicate how the coil was wound and tied off. Also given are: wire size (AWG), # of turns, winding style (layered or random), # of layers, and winding direction. This is all the information that you need to repair or rewind any coil. I have found the information in this book to be very accurate and very helpful. The amount of research and work it took to produce it, is mind-boggling. Contact Bob at hannon@... or Robert A. Hannon, 11513 Crow's Nest Road, Clarksville, MD 21029. (410) 531-3110 or 531-3244. Your parts dealer may have this book in stock. Incidentally, he is a member of this group. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29583	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: ethnic diversity on the layout

O.K., I received my discount-priced Lionel baggage smasher. I looked at it, looked in my books, looked again ... Something was different! The baggage smasher is a black man! Now I'm not a racist or anything, but I'm wondering what's up with the color change? Will I be required to have racial quotas on the layout? Don't hold your breath for a Muslim mosque in the middle of my town. Egads! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: GILBERT & MALTS

Here is another item that ol' AC was into making eBay item 3270810778 (Ends Feb-08-04 19:16:33 PST) - RETRO GREEN GILBERT MALT MIXER BLENDER~EXCLNT ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29585	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > On my 282: > > Head of stud- > washer- > tender "drawbar" > washer- > loco "drawbar" And that is how my 307 is arranged. But the AF diagrams for both the 282 and 307 have: Stud Washer (one) Bushing ...same as Doug Peck's drawbar kit. Strange. Can anyone assist with my (potentially) too wide stud issue? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29586	From: Chris Burger	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Portland/Hermiston Oregon

Hi out wester's! Anyone within a few hours of these cities I could visit with for an hours or so? How about good hobby stores in these areas? I already know about the Wistle Stop. Thanks! Chris B. Leaving Dayton OH on the 9th and leaving on the day before the 14th. Who me? Supersticious? Nah, not me!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29587	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon

Leventon is not to far north of Portland......Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Burger" <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portland/Hermiston Oregon > Hi out wester's! > Anyone within a few hours of these cities I could visit with for an > hours or so? How about good hobby stores in these areas? I already > know about the Wistle Stop. Thanks! Chris B. Leaving Dayton OH on the > 9th and leaving on the day before the 14th. Who me? Supersticious? > Nah, not me! > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29588	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2004
Subject: Re: ethnic diversity on the layout

Jacques wrote: >I received my discount-priced Lionel baggage smasher. I looked at >it, looked in my books, looked again ... Something was different! >The baggage smasher is a black man! Jacques, you mean the one on the new Lionel version is bla...er, um, of the African American persuasion? Or the Gilbert one is? We have the original Gilbert version, and Billy the Bag Smasher is black. So is the milkman in our 25019 milk car. The guy who tosses "boxes" from our 974 unloading boxcar is a white guy like me, as is the guy who tosses them into the car. Apparently, "diversity" is another field that A. C. Gilbert pioneered. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29589	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Purchase Advice - AF 747 Cardboard Trestle

Hey Bill! If you like it and it's price seems alittle high.... IMHO.....BUY IT!!! you may never see one like it in the future... :>) ...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmhtreftsv@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Purchase Advice - AF 747 Cardboard Trestle > Greetings, > > I came across a #747 Cardboard Figure 8 Trestle Set last night. I would > say new-in-box. The pieces haven't been broken apart, or folded, > instructions right on top, complete box. Pretty darn good looking! > (Pardon the harsh language.) They want $39 for it. What is your advice? > Is it worth it? My TM guide lists it at $29 with box. > > Thank you in advance. > > Bill (cDb) Trefts > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29590	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon

You might look around the shops in Oregon City. There is a toy and antique store that had some older AF when I was there a year or so ago. Also there is a hobby shop called Quality Farm Toys and Hobbies, where I got an MTH Coal Loader on my visit. As far as Ron Leventon is concerned, he has a stall in an antique mall in Centralia Washington, about half way between Portland and Seattle (about 90 miles). From his website it looks as if he will make an appointment to see him in Chehalis, but without that, the antique mall is all I know about. I wish I could remember the address, but it is on the East side of Main St. Everything else is mail order from nearby Chehalis or by appointment. There is a lot of stuff in that stall in the mall though, but it was never staffed when I was there. You would have to ask the mall staff to get what you wanted to look at or buy. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Burger" <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portland/Hermiston Oregon > Hi out wester's! > Anyone within a few hours of these cities I could visit with for an > hours or so? How about good hobby stores in these areas? I already > know about the Wistle Stop. Thanks! Chris B. Leaving Dayton OH on the > 9th and leaving on the day before the 14th. Who me? Supersticious? > Nah, not me! > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29591	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: New drawbar attachment for AF #282

The drawbar components are: Shouldered Rivet, shouldered fiber bushing, fiber washer. I don't have any engines handy to look at, but when assembled one would think that the assembly consists of: rivet, fiber washer, drawbar, fiber washer, truck "tongue" because that's all you can see. The purpose of all this is to keep the tender chassis electrically isolated from the Loco Chassis. The fiber washer should have a hole large enough to go over the end of the shouldered fiber washer, and the shoulder on the rivet should just be seen protruding from the fiber washer, so when it is riveted through the drawbar can still easily swivel. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29592	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: ethnic diversity on the layout

The connections between American railroads and the Civil Rights movement are rich and deep, for those of us interested in history. Up through the "transition era" that most of us model, job opportunities and wages for African Americans were severely restricted. On railroads, to porters, janitors,ash sweepers, redcaps, etc. Few exceptions. Dozens of the redcaps in Grand Central Station during WWII had Ph.D.'s, for example, but no advancement was allowed. ACG was right to give Billy a black face. Throughout the south, railroad station facilities and passenger cars were segregated by law. Trains magazine has been addressing this topic in recent years. "Jim Crow Coaches" were common. All Pullman porters were Black, and formed a brotherhood, led by A Phillip Randolph, which was one of the key sources of funds, strength, leadership, during the early civil rights movement. The great migration from the rural south to the northern cities took place largely by train. Saw a very moving documentary on that once, full of great trains and music. However, there were not many black folks in Plasticville! The postwar housing and education programs, such as the GI Bill, were only for whites. Black art and music, such as the Blues, is filled with train imagery. Trains stood for separation,pain, anxiety, death, and at the same time, for change and hope for a better life. Think of "Mystery Train" and also the Curtis Mayfield song, "People Get Ready". Ironically, once the rr's became all diesel (1960), serious social change began. Hey, maybe MLK was thinking that if f the steam engine can go, segregation can too! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29593	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: repro knuckle coupler--punt???

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: > Bend the tab on the sheet metal truck up a bit. The top of the coupler > needs to be parallel to the track after this operation so bend to suit. I > don't like the way the knuckle sticks way out from the car on conversions so > I also shorten the tongue that holds the coupler by folding the sheet metal > some. It's pretty soft and I have bent it almost back on itself without > fracturing the sheet metal. C. E., I did as you suggested at the risk of making the KC too high vis-a- vis other cars. After a few attempts of bending the "drawbar" upward and inward, I got it to work (well at least so far so good). As you indicated, the sheet metal is far from brittle and seems to withstand a lot of abuse. The coupler rides considerably higher than the adjoining car--in this case the Frisco gondola--but not high enough that it uncouples. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29594	From: waldootten	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: What happened to trainweb.org?

Is this website still around? The reason I ask is because it contained an excellent AF Steam Loco Spec listing by Roger Petrella that I bookmarked (thru Paul's FAQ page on S-Trains) as I used it very often. I'm mad at myself because I should have saved it as a PDF file. Does anyone have a PDF of this listing they could email me? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29595	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Ebay item question - AF 375

Was hoping to get some education about this item. I thought 375 was a T&P, what is significant re:gold stamping? See link below http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3173735217> &item=3173735217 Thanks, Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29596	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Portland/Hermiston Oregon

Chris....Just happened to think...When I was there in 89 I think somewhere around Bend, Oregon there was a shop that had old trains....I saw an ad from them not to long ago....Also consider the trip to the Coastline of Oregon....it took me and my wife 2 weeks to get from Astoria to the Calif. line....about 300 miles.....at Battle Rock, Oregon my wife had to get rescued by Animal Control.....another story.......Really beautiful.....And don't forget to go to the middle of the state....Lots of lave tubes you can crawl in on your own.....take plenty of light sources......I remember a shop too in Beaverton....a suburb of Portland....Tammie's....look in the back of Model Railroader....several listed....and don't forget guys....I will be in West Yellowstone, Mt. this month....any good shops there or within snowmobile distance? Bob RCON7.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29597	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay item question - AF 375

A 375 is also a AF GM GP7 from 1953,very hard to find ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay item question - AF 375 > Was hoping to get some education about this item. > > > > I thought 375 was a T&P, what is significant re:gold stamping? > > > > See link below > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3173735217> > &item=3173735217 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29598	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: AF 375

Mark: There were two different AF 375's, both GP-7 diesels. One was the catalogued black and orange T & P that usually came with the 374. Nice, but not hard to find. The really rare one was a satin silver unit exactly like the common 371 GM demonstrator, except that it had a horn circuit and carried the 375 number. This is one of the rarest Flyer locos, yet ironically, one of the easiest to forge. All that is necessary is to put 375 numberboards, and install the horn circuit from a different unit, into a 371. Plus a few minor changes. A collector should do some serious research before investing in one at collector prices. I know that some 375's WERE forged, years ago. Bob Bubeck's excellent AF Price and Rarity Guide States: "NOTE: Piece is easily faked. Purchase with caution." That means, talk to as many long time Flyer collectors as you can first. I am not a collector, and can't offer any more help and advice than the above. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29599	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: What happened to trainweb.org?

trainweb.org seems to be down right now. Perhaps a server problem? I would try again later.... Chuck waldootten wrote: >Is this website still around? The reason I ask is because it >contained an excellent AF Steam Loco Spec listing by Roger Petrella >that I bookmarked (thru Paul's FAQ page on S-Trains) as I used it >very often. I'm mad at myself because I should have saved it as a >PDF file. > >Does anyone have a PDF of this listing they could email me? > >Phil K > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29600	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: E-BAY & OTHERS PHONE #'s

Here is a site that has the phone #'s to E-BAY & Yahoo & a few others if you have the need to call them. Mike S. auctionguild.com ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29601	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375

Greetings! The AFL 375 GP-7 is certainly a difficult loco to verify as original as Tom has stated already. The one I have has a cream coloured plastic shell and inside has stamped in BLUE ink,"APR 53" . I am pretty sure it is an original, but if anyone else out there can shed some more light on this, that would be great. It has a sheet metal frame and it looks as though all the soldering and riveting(horn assembly) is all factory. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 375 > Mark: There were two different AF 375's, both GP-7 diesels. One was the > catalogued black and orange T & P that usually came with the 374. Nice, > but not hard to find. The really rare one was a satin silver unit exactly > like the common 371 GM demonstrator, except that it had a horn circuit and > carried the 375 number. > > This is one of the rarest Flyer locos, yet ironically, one of the easiest > to forge. All that is necessary is to put 375 numberboards, and install > the horn circuit from a different unit, into a 371. Plus a few minor > changes. > > A collector should do some serious research before investing in one at > collector prices. I know that some 375's WERE forged, years ago. Bob > Bubeck's excellent AF Price and Rarity Guide States: "NOTE: Piece is > easily faked. Purchase with caution." > > That means, talk to as many long time Flyer collectors as you can first. > > I am not a collector, and can't offer any more help and advice than the above. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29602	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 8, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29603	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/8/2004
Subject: AF 375 - Thanks

I appreciate the information about this version of the 375. I didn't know it existed. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29604	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: SHS USRA hoppers

Our USRA hoppers are now at the railhead and ready to be delivered tomorrow. If anyone would like to order online, or view images of our hoppers, visit our website at: http://www.showcaseline.com/UsraHoppers/usrahoppers.html http://www.showcaseline.com/UsraHoppers/usrahoppers3carssets_in_stock.html Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29605	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: gluing flex track

I have frequently seen questions regarding how to attach flex track to roadbed. The Central Valley website recommends using Barge (TM) cement. ""Barge�" is sold through hardware stores in tubes but is more widely known in the shoe repair and leather-crafting world. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29606	From: Tim	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: My layout

Hi all, I just completed some upgrades to my home layout by adding scenery. I also finished some winter rehab loco and rolling stock projects. Please take a look at: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html Enjoy the view! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29607	From: waldootten	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout W O W !

Great stuff, Tim. Thanks for sharing it with us. Looks like your loco/car painting crew has been pretty busy. Phil K > Hi all, > > I just completed some upgrades to my home layout by adding scenery. I also finished some winter rehab loco and rolling stock projects. Please take a look at: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html > > Enjoy the view! > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29608	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout

Looks Great, Tim. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "BAAFC" <baafc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My layout > Hi all, > > I just completed some upgrades to my home layout by adding scenery. I also finished some winter rehab loco and rolling stock projects. Please take a look at: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html > > Enjoy the view! > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29609	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375 - Thanks

Would the fact that its stamped in gold? exempt it from being a forgery? John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > > I appreciate the information about this version of the 375. I didn't know it > existed. > > Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29610	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout

At 02:50 PM 2/9/04 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I just completed some upgrades to my home layout by adding scenery. I >also finished some winter rehab loco and rolling stock projects. Please >take a look at: > >http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html > >Enjoy the view! >Tim Brown Tim, Very well done. A very nice layout...............................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29611	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: 21158 Docksider

Purchased the above at the DuPage train show yesterday. Did it ever have a front and rear working knuckle coupler? This one does. P.S: Great layout Tim. Gives me ideas. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29612	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Train Stores

Will be in the Tampa, FL (actually north of there) next week and was wondering if anyone can recommend any hobby shops in the area. I remember reading about one in the Clearwater/St. Pete area but cannot find any listings for one in that area. Any recommendations are welcome. Tom __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29613	From: waldootten	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Live steam in June on the Milwaukee Road 261

FYI -- The Milwaukee Road Northern (4-8-4) Locomotive 261 will be making some noisy appearances this June between its home base in the Twin Cities and Milwaukee, Chicago, North Central Illinois and various locales on and near the Mighty Mississippi. Their website is: www.261.com and the tentative operating schedule is incorporated on the page selling tickets at: http://www.261.com/etickets.ihtml No. 261 last came through the Chicago area in June, 2002 -- and I caught her thundering through Big Rock, Ill. at about 70 miles per hour, with the engineer giving us photogs full smoke. I uploaded one of the pics to my photo album on this site: Phil K's train stuff Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29614	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: UP 3985 Yesterday

This is one of the better pics. I reduced the image size to post on the web. Picture taken by Rick Inselman, who followed from Arkansas, through Oklahoma and on to Coffeyville Ks. http://www.mwkiner.com/images/3985-bridge-sa.JPG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29615	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: My layout

----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-List Cc: BAAFC Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My layout Hi all, I just completed some upgrades to my home layout by adding scenery. I also finished some winter rehab loco and rolling stock projects. Please take a look at: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html Enjoy the view! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: Re: TEST

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29617	From: firex43	Date: 2/9/2004
Subject: AF 21205-1 Shell

Hello, I am looking for an AF 21205-1 B&M shell with straight steps; I need the right front skirt if anyone has a shell for parts. Please contact me off-list. Thank you in advance, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29618	From: MrBlase	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit

I purchased a Universal E-Unit by Dallee. I printed out the wiring diagrams for the various AF steam engines from a web site and a supplemental page from the Dallee web site. I installed the unit on an AF302 and I followed the wiring directions to a "T". When I reassembled the tender and hooked it up to the engine I could only get it to run in one direction, forward. It does switch into neutral but when switched into reverser the headlight comes on but the engine does not run. I can cycle it through to neutral again, then forward. I double-checked the wiring and it seems to be just as the directions call for. I should mention that the engine was just serviced last month and ran in both directions even though the e-unit would stick occasionally which is why I purchased the Dallee unit. I then took the tender off the 302 and hooked it up to an AF21105 and it runs in reverse only. The field wiring must be reversed from the AF302. It will cycle to neutral and then forward where again only the headlight comes on. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong or a web site that has the exact wiring diagram for this engine? Thanks for any help you can give me. I have 3 other American Flyer engines that I would like to convert if I can get this first one working. Blase Sanzone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29619	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit

Dear Blase, Have you asked Dallas? He is an AF guy from way back. He has been very helpful to customers that have had problems in the past. His phone number is listed on their website www.dallee.com or you can send him e-mail. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. MrBlase wrote: >I purchased a Universal E-Unit by Dallee. I printed out the wiring >diagrams for the various AF steam engines from a web site and a >supplemental page from the Dallee web site. > >I installed the unit on an AF302 and I followed the wiring >directions to a "T". When I reassembled the tender and hooked it up >to the engine I could only get it to run in one direction, forward. >It does switch into neutral but when switched into reverser the >headlight comes on but the engine does not run. I can cycle it >through to neutral again, then forward. I double-checked the wiring >and it seems to be just as the directions call for. I should >mention that the engine was just serviced last month and ran in both >directions even though the e-unit would stick occasionally which is >why I purchased the Dallee unit. > >I then took the tender off the 302 and hooked it up to an AF21105 >and it runs in reverse only. The field wiring must be reversed from >the AF302. It will cycle to neutral and then forward where again >only the headlight comes on. > >Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong or a web >site that has the exact wiring diagram for this engine? > >Thanks for any help you can give me. I have 3 other American Flyer >engines that I would like to convert if I can get this first one >working. > >Blase Sanzone > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29620	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: converting e-unit

With directional lighting, the headlight is suposed to come on in forward only, so you may have the headlight circuit and the motor circuit mixed up. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29621	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: FWD: Weathering Group

>>>>>I realized that we would all benefit from having a central location for weathering techniques of all kinds. So I have formed a new group on weathering. The link to the group is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weathering If this sounds like a great idea to you, please join.<<<<<<< ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29622	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: Converting E-Unit to Dallee Electronic Unit

Regarding your problem with the Dallee #400 reverse unit. The blue wire goes to the front tender truck rivet. The black wire goes to the rear tender truck rivet. The red wire goes to the left (fireman's) side brush. The brown wire goes to the right (engineer's) side brush. The yellow wire goes to the Engineer's side field. The orange goes to the Fireman's side field. It may be that one of your wires is not making a good connection. Take a small screwdriver and push the wires down into the harness receptacle a bit further. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29623	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: multiple transformer dangers

We have been having a very interesting discussion last few months about using multiple transformers in phase and double transformers such as the 18B, to power interconnected loops and complex layouts wuth AC. Great fun. "Advanced Flyer Railroading", I call it. However, there is one situation that has not been discussed enough. Whether or not you use a base post or common rail system, there is one electrical situation that should absolutely be avoided. Now, the following material is helpful, and I do want to share it with the list. It may prevent one of you from toasting a transformer, and help others understand the electrical part of their layout better. But the information in this email is the product of hours of work at my test bench, and has taken hours to write clearly. Therefore, other than for list members' personal use, and insertion in the S-trains archives, I reserve all rights to the reuse of this material, in whole or in part. I do not want this material appearing on someone's web site or in someone's book or magazine article, without my express written permission being obtained in advance. And now, on to the fun. NEVER allow the base post and variable voltage post of one transformer to BOTH be connected to the base post and variable post of another transformer, even for a short period of time. This can easily happen through the wiring or through the track and switches, and either way, it is a very bad thing. It drove the Gilbert service department nuts I am sure, but their engineering folks never solved the problem. What happens is this: Imagine you have two trains each running on its own loop or segment, powered by a double transformer or two separate transformers. Imagine that the base posts are connected to each other (in an 18B or 30B the base posts are already connected, inside the transformer) and variable voltage posts somehow become connected to each other. If the two variable speed controls are set to produce the exact same voltage, as measured by a good meter (the speed indications on the transformer case are worthless), there is no problem. But as you speed one train up or slow the other down, A VERY STRONG CROSS CURRENT BEGINS TO FLOW BETWEEN THE TWO OUTPUTS. You will experience this as your two trains seeming to fight each other. If you slow one train down, it will slow the other one down, etc. THIS CROSS CURRENT CAN QUICKLY OVERHEAT YOUR TRANSFORMER(S) . 1. This current becomes very strong with a small increase in the difference between the two variable voltages. Only a small difference in them can produce a current that is strong enough to overheat your transformer and damage it quickly. 2. The circuit breakers in Flyer transformers, even if in perfect condition, will not protect against this current. Thermal circuit breakers do not work well if more than one of them at a time are in series. There is no practical way to insert a circuit breaker into this situation, and have it be the only one in the circuit. If there were, it would pop in a New York minute. 3. Fixed voltage outputs in Flyer transformers should never be connected to each other. You are just asking for trouble. If I tried to explain it here it would make this email a lot longer. Of course, if you are trying to do arc welding with an AF transformer, this does not apply. I hope you follow me so far. If your trains seem to be "fighting" each other electrically, and you suspect this problem might be present on your layout, a simple test would be this: 1. Disconnect ALL your transformers from the layout. Label the wires with masking tape as to which wire goes to which transformer post. 2.For each variable voltage post, twist all the wires that go to that variable voltage post together (connect them). 3. Test for continuity between the batch of wires connected to one variable voltage post and the batch connected to each other variable voltage post you may have. If you have more than two variable voltage outputs, test for continuity between each vv's wires and every other set of vv wires. There should be no continuity; if there is, you have a leak that will connect your vv posts, not a good thing, as described above. You will have to figure out which wire causes the leak, and change the way it is wired so that it no longer connects the two vv outputs. If the leak is through the rails, you will have to insert one or more insulated track pins in teh vv post rail to stop it. Your trains may only "fight" each other when the track switches are thrown a certain way. This is a good indication that your variable voltage posts are being connected through the track and switches. With Flyer or SHS track switches, try the test in the previous paragraph with each track switch that connects track loops in both the straight and curved position. A connection may be created only when the track switches are thrown in a certain way, and it may not be a direct connection by the shortest route but may take a roundabout path around various parts of the track. An insulated track pin in the VV post rail that blocks the current will stop the problem. I took some measurements of this cross current in amperes this weekend, and was startled at how strong it is. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I will share the test results in another, more technical, email, if you all are interested. It IS a good idea to put AF transformers "in phase" with each other and connect the base posts. This gives you a common rail or base post system. Power is distributed over a layout much better, and much block section wiring can be avoided if you use Flyer or SHS switches. Just make sure that none of the variable voltage posts can become connected to each other! Tom Jarcho All rights reserved

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29624	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers

Outstandingly clear explanation, Tom. Thanks very much - I'll keep it in mind. Now what other websites would like..... ;^) Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] multiple transformer dangers > We have been having a very interesting discussion last few months about > using multiple transformers in phase and double transformers such as the > 18B, to power interconnected loops and complex layouts wuth AC. Great fun. > "Advanced Flyer Railroading", I call it. However, there is one situation > that has not been discussed enough. Whether or not you use a base post or > common rail system, there is one electrical situation that should > absolutely be avoided. > > Now, the following material is helpful, and I do want to share it with the > list. It may prevent one of you from toasting a transformer, and help > others understand the electrical part of their layout better. But the > information in this email is the product of hours of work at my test bench, > and has taken hours to write clearly. Therefore, other than for list > members' personal use, and insertion in the S-trains archives, I reserve > all rights to the reuse of this material, in whole or in part. I do not > want this material appearing on someone's web site or in someone's book or > magazine article, without my express written permission being obtained in > advance. And now, on to the fun. > > NEVER allow the base post and variable voltage post of one transformer to > BOTH be connected to the base post and variable post of another > transformer, even for a short period of time. This can easily happen > through the wiring or through the track and switches, and either way, it is > a very bad thing. It drove the Gilbert service department nuts I am sure, > but their engineering folks never solved the problem. > > What happens is this: Imagine you have two trains each running on its own > loop or segment, powered by a double transformer or two separate > transformers. Imagine that the base posts are connected to each other (in > an 18B or 30B the base posts are already connected, inside the transformer) > and variable voltage posts somehow become connected to each other. If the > two variable speed controls are set to produce the exact same voltage, as > measured by a good meter (the speed indications on the transformer case are > worthless), there is no problem. But as you speed one train up or slow the > other down, A VERY STRONG CROSS CURRENT BEGINS TO FLOW BETWEEN THE TWO > OUTPUTS. You will experience this as your two trains seeming to fight each > other. If you slow one train down, it will slow the other one down, etc. > THIS CROSS CURRENT CAN QUICKLY OVERHEAT YOUR TRANSFORMER(S) . > > 1. This current becomes very strong with a small increase in the > difference between the two variable voltages. Only a small difference in > them can produce a current that is strong enough to overheat your > transformer and damage it quickly. > > 2. The circuit breakers in Flyer transformers, even if in perfect > condition, will not protect against this current. Thermal circuit breakers > do not work well if more than one of them at a time are in series. There > is no practical way to insert a circuit breaker into this situation, and > have it be the only one in the circuit. If there were, it would pop in a > New York minute. > > 3. Fixed voltage outputs in Flyer transformers should never be connected > to each other. You are just asking for trouble. If I tried to explain it > here it would make this email a lot longer. Of course, if you are trying > to do arc welding with an AF transformer, this does not apply. > > I hope you follow me so far. > > If your trains seem to be "fighting" each other electrically, and you > suspect this problem might be present on your layout, a simple test would > be this: > > 1. Disconnect ALL your transformers from the layout. Label the wires with > masking tape as to which wire goes to which transformer post. > > 2.For each variable voltage post, twist all the wires that go to that > variable voltage post together (connect them). > > 3. Test for continuity between the batch of wires connected to one > variable voltage post and the batch connected to each other variable > voltage post you may have. If you have more than two variable voltage > outputs, test for continuity between each vv's wires and every other set of > vv wires. There should be no continuity; if there is, you have a leak that > will connect your vv posts, not a good thing, as described above. You will > have to figure out which wire causes the leak, and change the way it is > wired so that it no longer connects the two vv outputs. If the leak is > through the rails, you will have to insert one or more insulated track pins > in teh vv post rail to stop it. > > Your trains may only "fight" each other when the track switches are thrown > a certain way. This is a good indication that your variable voltage posts > are being connected through the track and switches. With Flyer or SHS > track switches, try the test in the previous paragraph with each track > switch that connects track loops in both the straight and curved position. > A connection may be created only when the track switches are thrown in a > certain way, and it may not be a direct connection by the shortest route > but may take a roundabout path around various parts of the track. An > insulated track pin in the VV post rail that blocks the current will stop > the problem. > > I took some measurements of this cross current in amperes this weekend, and > was startled at how strong it is. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I will share > the test results in another, more technical, email, if you all are > interested. > > It IS a good idea to put AF transformers "in phase" with each other and > connect the base posts. This gives you a common rail or base post system. > Power is distributed over a layout much better, and much block section > wiring can be avoided if you use Flyer or SHS switches. Just make sure > that none of the variable voltage posts can become connected to each other! > > Tom Jarcho > All rights reserved > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29625	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/10/2004
Subject: Spring S Spree is coming April 30 - May 1 in Columbus Ohio!!

Spring S Spree scheduled April 30 - May 1 in Columbus, Ohio Shake off those winter doldrums and sign up for the early S only show -- the 17th Annual Spring S Spree, this year hosted by the Central Ohio S Gaugers in Columbus, Ohio April 30 and May 1, 2004. There will be sales people there from American Models, S Helper Service, Michigan Models, SouthWind Models and many others. Here's a great opportunity to talk personally with the people who import, make and sell S gauge products. The 3500 square foot showroom will be showing ONLY S!! And there will be operating S layouts to check out. When you're tired of spending all your money on trains, the hospitality room provides a chance to break away, relax with a pop & some chips. Or you can visit with new S gaugers and renew acquaintances. Then there are the door prizes to keep you checking your ticket number.. A popular model contest will take place, in addition to several clinics ranging from 1:1 Ohio Central video/slide presentation, weathering buildings and cars, to some American Flyer topics. Something for everyone! Friday evening highlights include a pizza party and at 9:00 a consignment auction. If you don't want to buy a table (they're available!) you can bring items to put in the auction. You'll receive 90% of the selling price, the host club 10%. So bring some excess "S STUFF" for this sale. Always a lot of fun. This year's Spree car is an authentic Timken 40 ft. American Models boxcar, endorsed by the Timken Company. Cost for this car is $44.00 in scale or hi rail. Don't miss out on ordering one of these colorful cars! The Holiday Inn East has special room rates -- mention "COSG Spree" when you contact them at 614-868-1380. Go to the COSG website at cosg.org for: a down-loadable Registration Form (with table costs, car ordering) a color picture of the Timken Car For any questions e-mail John Gafney, Show Registrar, jgafney@... or call 614-764-3925 REGISTER NOW -- DON'T MISS THIS FUN S GAUGE MEET!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29626	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta

Just to let list members know, this weekend is Supertrain. Billed as Canada's biggest model train show, over 15,000 people attended last years venue. Unfortunately, I believe, I will be the only exibitor running anything in S gauge(AF), with my 6x12 layout. Gotta run, got trains to tune-up! Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29627	From: larryasp	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta

Nice to know this - but what are the door times, where is it held, how do you get tables as a vendor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta > Just to let list members know, this weekend is Supertrain. Billed as Canada's biggest model train show, over 15,000 people attended last years venue. Unfortunately, I believe, I will be the only exibitor running anything in S gauge(AF), with my 6x12 layout. > > Gotta run, got trains to tune-up! Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29628	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: SHS Hi-Rail Diesel wheelsets

My friends in 1:64, I'm in need for 4 to 8 axles of SHS Hi-Rail diesel wheelsets for an upcoming electric boxcab bashing project. Anyone have a few sets in the junk box after converting your loco to scale wheels? Please me contact off-list. THNX, Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29629	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores

Tom, H&R Trains is located at 6901 US 19 North in Pinellas Park (Next to Clearwater). The phone number is 727-526-4682. Web site is www.hrtrains.com They advertise themselves to be Florida's largest Train Store. Not much 'S' when I was last there. But that was a number of years ago. Have fun ...Barb Thomas Curley wrote: > Will be in the Tampa, FL (actually north of there) > next week and was wondering if anyone can recommend > any hobby shops in the area. I remember reading about > one in the Clearwater/St. Pete area but cannot find > any listings for one in that area. > > Any recommendations are welcome. > Tom > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29630	From: Hall G	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: multiple transformer dangers

Great information. But I would add that perhaps it is best to have a long enough connecting track between each transformer controled section of railway that a full train could be run into. Then stop the train and switch this block from one transformer to the other before entering the that section of railway. This way both rails could be isolated for added safety between transformers. Otherwise as you describe if you simply have one rail isolated everytime you run a train through this from one transformer controled section of the railway into the other transformer controled section of railway effectively you are through the train wheels making a direct contact between each transformer through the train! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29631	From: jay walsh	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarko on transformers ?

hi, Please explain what is ?"phasing transformers" i heard operartors say ; they phase their transformers" what do they mean by that expression? We have a copy 2-train lay out in the cellar. My dad built a 4x8 layout for me back in 1951;and in around 1954 he added a second set to it. The new set a"YArd King" came with its own transformer, a type 8B; all the trains of then plus a few cars, A diesel engine, and few accessories we added to its presesent display. All is hooked up just as it was back by my dad in the 50's and by the AF.service manual that came with the original sets.Once in awhile now we get back to running it but its like me "old now"! But this phasing thing has got me thinking, is it something new thats come along with the new electronic transformers and how can I tell WEther my old transformers are properly - in phase as the other guys say ARE THEY ELECTRICALLY SAFE BEING HOOKED UP ACCORDING TO A.C.Gilbert's service manual. So far they run A ok but technology has come along way; Please explain -- thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29632	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers

Thanks for the excellent info. I certainly will check my layout which uses only ACG transformers! A 30B powers two loops and a 18B powers only non-contact accessories. Does this apply to non-ACG transformers? On my other layout I use two MRC Dual 027 transformers to run 4 track loops and all four loops share a common rail (insulated joints are only used on the variable rail). I tried contacting MRC but have received no response. The only thing I've noticed is loss of cab control when I run a train with constant lighting across the insulated joints between the two MRC transformers. I've ceased doing that! Let me add a complication. I use two ACG 30B transformers to power the AF switches and accessories which do not use contact rails (such as the Stockyard). So far nothing else you describe has occurred on either layout. Am I headed for problems? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29633	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores

You won't find much anywhere in Florida!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29634	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Train Stores

Only at small Ho type shows....At the GATS ( paytoilet shows) and greenburg.....I usually spend VERY LITTLE on "s" trains......But the darn shows around here like at Ocala, Deland, Etc....usually cost me around 700 to 1500 each....So look in MR and find dates these shows are...and plan your trip around them.....Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <rcespeak@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Stores > You won't find much anywhere in Florida!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29635	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers

Wonderful post Tom. Let us know what your lab findings are. I would like to see what readings you get. I am sure you will be able to answer all these questions, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Becker" <afmaven@s...> wrote: > Thanks for the excellent info. I certainly will check my layout which uses > only ACG transformers! A 30B powers two loops and a 18B powers only > non-contact accessories. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29636	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Yahoo Outages and other things.

Anyone else experience Yahoo outages. At least once every day now when I try to read the messages I get a "Page temporarily unavailable" message. Then later in the day I am able to "get through". The other thing: do I need an air chime whistle controller with the tube or what to operate the whistle in my Silver Flash? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29637	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/11/2004
Subject: Re: Yahoo Outages and other things.

If your Silver Flash is ACG you need the airchime controller. If the Silver Flash is Lionel you need a railsounds button (or two if it's bell and horn). There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Yahoo Outages and other things. > Anyone else experience Yahoo outages. At least once every day now > when I try to read the messages I get a "Page temporarily > unavailable" message. Then later in the day I am able to "get > through". The other thing: do I need an air chime whistle controller > with the tube or what to operate the whistle in my Silver Flash? > Thanks,John B. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29638	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Re: Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta

Hi Larry.....The show is going to be at the Round-up centre at Stampede Park. Show times are 9am-5pm Sat and Sun. To get a spot as a vendor, you must reply to the show commitee usually by December at the latest. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta > Nice to know this - but what are the door times, where is it held, how do > you get tables as a vendor. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> > To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:47 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Supertrain Feb 14-15 Calgary Alberta > > > > Just to let list members know, this weekend is Supertrain. Billed as > Canada's biggest model train show, over 15,000 people attended last years > venue. Unfortunately, I believe, I will be the only exibitor running > anything in S gauge(AF), with my 6x12 layout. > > > > Gotta run, got trains to tune-up! Al Kielek > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29639	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarko on transformers ?

Hello Jay.. With respect to phasing transformers, all this means is that both transformers are in sync with each other electrically. Alternating current, does just that. Every second the current alternates 60 times. That means each cycle starts at 0 volts and rises to +120 volts and then receeds once again to 0 and then down to - 120volts and back to 0 volts again, thus completing one cycle. When phasing transformers we are trying to achieve both power cycles going in the same direction at the same time. If they do not, we have a complete short circuit, due to the phases opposing each other. If you could see this on an scope, it would be much easier to understand. I hope this helps. Al Kielek(been a long time since electrical school) :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay walsh" <prince71443@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <prince71443@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Tom Jarko on transformers ? > hi, Please explain what is ?"phasing transformers" i > heard operartors say ; they phase their transformers" > what do they mean by that expression? We have a copy > 2-train lay out in the cellar. My dad built a 4x8 > layout for me back in 1951;and in around 1954 he added > a second set to it. The new set a"YArd King" came with > its own transformer, a type 8B; all the trains of then > plus a few cars, A diesel engine, and few accessories > we added to its presesent display. All is hooked up > just as it was back by my dad in the 50's and by the > AF.service manual that came with the original > sets.Once in awhile now we get back to running it but > its like me "old now"! But this phasing thing has got > me thinking, is it something new thats come along with > the new electronic transformers and how can I tell > WEther my old transformers are properly - in phase > as the other guys say ARE THEY ELECTRICALLY SAFE BEING > HOOKED UP ACCORDING TO A.C.Gilbert's service manual. > So far they run A ok but technology has come along > way; Please explain -- thanks. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29640	From: Al Galli	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: tampa train store

Tom I went to H&R last week. You will not find S gauge. They have a room of Lionel and large scale, a room of Thomas wooden trains, then a room of HO, N and Marklin. I was surprised at the limited selection of HO considering how big HO is in Florida. THey had plenty of engines and cars but little in structures, track etc. There is Trains and Treasures in Clearwater but I have not been there. www.trainsand treasures.com Also in Tampa Happy Hobo 813-886-5072, and Chester Holly 813-831-7202. Don't know anything about them either Al Galli > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:52:59 -0500 > From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> > Subject: Re: Train Stores > > > Tom, > > H&R Trains is located at 6901 US 19 North > in Pinellas Park (Next to Clearwater). The phone > number is 727-526-4682. Web site is > www.hrtrains.com > > They advertise themselves to be Florida's largest > Train Store. Not much 'S' when I was last there. > But that was a number of years ago. > > Have fun ...Barb > > Thomas Curley wrote: > >> Will be in the Tampa, FL (actually north of there) >> next week and was wondering if anyone can recommend >> any hobby shops in the area. I remember reading about >> one in the Clearwater/St. Pete area but cannot find >> any listings for one in that area. >> >> Any recommendations are welcome. >> Tom >> >> ________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29641	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: H & R Trains - St. Pete/Clearwater Florida

Tom, My wife and I were in the shop just 3 weeks ago. They had 3 96x series passenger cars at about $100 each, and I think a few other minor pieces. Their service guy in the repair shop is a flyer collector, though. Strictly an operator, not a collector was my impression. It is a great train shop with items for all gauges. Worth the visit to us. He also sent me to a trainshop in S. Sarasota. Got a box of used Marx and Lionel, but nothing S there at the time. Enjoy the trip! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29642	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: groups calendar

> Subject: Spring S Spree is coming April 30 - May 1 in Columbus Ohio!! > > Spring S Spree scheduled April 30 - May 1 > in Columbus, Ohio > Shake off those winter doldrums and sign up for the early S only > show -- the 17th Annual Spring S Spree, this year hosted by the > Central > Ohio S Gaugers in Columbus, Ohio April 30 and May 1, 2004. Event organizers, get full use out of your Yahoo Groups website. You can use the calendar section for events such as this. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29643	From: waldootten	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: Phasing transformers

Check out Doug Peck's Portlines Hobby Supplies website for this info. Click on On-Line Repair Clinics and look for it. It is an excellent tome written by our own Chris Zizzo. Doug's site is: http://www.portlines.com Phil K Not that hard to do. But don't try to phase original ACG transformers with anything newer because they may internally be wired differently. ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jay walsh <prince71443@y...> wrote: > hi, Please explain what is ?"phasing transformers" i > heard operartors say ; they phase their transformers" > what do they mean by that expression? We have a copy > 2-train lay out in the cellar. My dad built a 4x8 > layout for me back in 1951;and in around 1954 he added > a second set to it. The new set a"YArd King" came with > its own transformer, a type 8B; all the trains of then > plus a few cars, A diesel engine, and few accessories > we added to its presesent display. All is hooked up > just as it was back by my dad in the 50's and by the > AF.service manual that came with the original > sets.Once in awhile now we get back to running it but > its like me "old now"! But this phasing thing has got > me thinking, is it something new thats come along with > the new electronic transformers and how can I tell > WEther my old transformers are properly - in phase > as the other guys say ARE THEY ELECTRICALLY SAFE BEING > HOOKED UP ACCORDING TO A.C.Gilbert's service manual. > So far they run A ok but technology has come along > way; Please explain -- thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29644	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/12/2004
Subject: x29

Wonderin whether your modern (diesel era) layout ought to have x29's? From another list comes this data: ================================= ORER X29's Nat'l Percent 11/25 17,306 1,076,332 1.6% 8/31 25,444 1,017,445 2.5% 1/38 28,584 755,980 3.8% 1/43 28,114 754,322 3.7% 4/49 26,174 734,872 3.6% 1/53 23,549 735,123 3.2% 4/55 23,072 718,950 3.2% 4/61 11,524 692,729 1.7% 1/67 173 NA Above numbers do not include X29's in Passenger Express business. Tim Gilbert ==================== ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29645	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers

Are the fixed voltage posts on dual transformers like a 30B connected together inside the transformer? Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > We have been having a very interesting discussion last few months about > using multiple transformers in phase and double transformers such as the > 18B, to power interconnected loops and complex layouts wuth AC. Great fun. > "Advanced Flyer Railroading", I call it. However, there is one situation > that has not been discussed enough. Whether or not you use a base post or > common rail system, there is one electrical situation that should > absolutely be avoided. > > Now, the following material is helpful, and I do want to share it with the > list. It may prevent one of you from toasting a transformer, and help > others understand the electrical part of their layout better. But the > information in this email is the product of hours of work at my test bench, > and has taken hours to write clearly. Therefore, other than for list > members' personal use, and insertion in the S-trains archives, I reserve > all rights to the reuse of this material, in whole or in part. I do not > want this material appearing on someone's web site or in someone's book or > magazine article, without my express written permission being obtained in > advance. And now, on to the fun. > > NEVER allow the base post and variable voltage post of one transformer to > BOTH be connected to the base post and variable post of another > transformer, even for a short period of time. This can easily happen > through the wiring or through the track and switches, and either way, it is > a very bad thing. It drove the Gilbert service department nuts I am sure, > but their engineering folks never solved the problem. > > What happens is this: Imagine you have two trains each running on its own > loop or segment, powered by a double transformer or two separate > transformers. Imagine that the base posts are connected to each other (in > an 18B or 30B the base posts are already connected, inside the transformer) > and variable voltage posts somehow become connected to each other. If the > two variable speed controls are set to produce the exact same voltage, as > measured by a good meter (the speed indications on the transformer case are > worthless), there is no problem. But as you speed one train up or slow the > other down, A VERY STRONG CROSS CURRENT BEGINS TO FLOW BETWEEN THE TWO > OUTPUTS. You will experience this as your two trains seeming to fight each > other. If you slow one train down, it will slow the other one down, etc. > THIS CROSS CURRENT CAN QUICKLY OVERHEAT YOUR TRANSFORMER(S) . > > 1. This current becomes very strong with a small increase in the > difference between the two variable voltages. Only a small difference in > them can produce a current that is strong enough to overheat your > transformer and damage it quickly. > > 2. The circuit breakers in Flyer transformers, even if in perfect > condition, will not protect against this current. Thermal circuit breakers > do not work well if more than one of them at a time are in series. There > is no practical way to insert a circuit breaker into this situation, and > have it be the only one in the circuit. If there were, it would pop in a > New York minute. > > 3. Fixed voltage outputs in Flyer transformers should never be connected > to each other. You are just asking for trouble. If I tried to explain it > here it would make this email a lot longer. Of course, if you are trying > to do arc welding with an AF transformer, this does not apply. > > I hope you follow me so far. > > If your trains seem to be "fighting" each other electrically, and you > suspect this problem might be present on your layout, a simple test would > be this: > > 1. Disconnect ALL your transformers from the layout. Label the wires with > masking tape as to which wire goes to which transformer post. > > 2.For each variable voltage post, twist all the wires that go to that > variable voltage post together (connect them). > > 3. Test for continuity between the batch of wires connected to one > variable voltage post and the batch connected to each other variable > voltage post you may have. If you have more than two variable voltage > outputs, test for continuity between each vv's wires and every other set of > vv wires. There should be no continuity; if there is, you have a leak that > will connect your vv posts, not a good thing, as described above. You will > have to figure out which wire causes the leak, and change the way it is > wired so that it no longer connects the two vv outputs. If the leak is > through the rails, you will have to insert one or more insulated track pins > in teh vv post rail to stop it. > > Your trains may only "fight" each other when the track switches are thrown > a certain way. This is a good indication that your variable voltage posts > are being connected through the track and switches. With Flyer or SHS > track switches, try the test in the previous paragraph with each track > switch that connects track loops in both the straight and curved position. > A connection may be created only when the track switches are thrown in a > certain way, and it may not be a direct connection by the shortest route > but may take a roundabout path around various parts of the track. An > insulated track pin in the VV post rail that blocks the current will stop > the problem. > > I took some measurements of this cross current in amperes this weekend, and > was startled at how strong it is. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I will share > the test results in another, more technical, email, if you all are > interested. > > It IS a good idea to put AF transformers "in phase" with each other and > connect the base posts. This gives you a common rail or base post system. > Power is distributed over a layout much better, and much block section > wiring can be avoided if you use Flyer or SHS switches. Just make sure > that none of the variable voltage posts can become connected to each other! > > Tom Jarcho > All rights reserved

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29646	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: More Challenger 3985

Click below for a great photo-essay on the recent UP-3985 trip. http://www.texasrailfan.com/UPSB3985.html Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29647	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: More Challenger 3985

Great shots! Great Steam!! Who likes diesels???!!! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Mark Kiner wrote: >Click below for a great photo-essay on the recent UP-3985 trip. > > > >http://www.texasrailfan.com/UPSB3985.html > > > >Mark > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29648	From: waldootten	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: UP-3985 -- Steam beats diesel any day.

Thanks for the link to those great photos, Mark. Steam, with its external parts whirring and flashing and smoke billowing, is exciting. By comparison, Diesel is purely boring. Look at most diesel photographs and it's usually hard to tell if the train is even moving. And I'd rather hear the haunting, shrill whistle of a steam locomotive echo through the hills than a diesel air horn. I have taken 20 steam photos for every one I have of a diesel. The trail of old boxcars and/or vintage passenger cars festooned with heralds from Fallen Flags is much more preferable to modern strings of pigs or containers. Touring steamers always draw much bigger crowds (and kids!) than diesels. My AF, AM and SHS collection is about 85 percent steam and about 90 percent old boxcars and passenger coaches. And on my layout, I'd rather watch the steamers run around chuffing and puffing than any diesel. Poetry in motion, I'd say, and great for the visitors. Plus, the AF steamers are easier to maintain, fix and keep running compared to fixing diesel problems. Anyone else feel the same way? Can't wait for the Milwaukee Road 261 to come through here again this summer. Whoo whoo! Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > Click below for a great photo-essay on the recent UP-3985 trip. > > > > http://www.texasrailfan.com/UPSB3985.html > > > > Mark > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29649	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 15, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29650	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: knuckle coupler rivets

------- Forwarded message ------- From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> To: S-trains <@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: knuckle coupler rivets Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:46:52 -0500 > Once upon a time AV Gilbert sold a Link to knuckle coupler conversion > kit. > This consisted of a pipe maybe 2" long and 1/4"? in diameter. > Also in the paper bag was 2 knuckle couplers and a rivet type cotter > pin. > To remove the rivet, place the pipe on end. place the head of the rivet > in the pipe hole. Tap on the other end of the pin with a small hammer. > The pin will pop into the pipe. It works, I have done it. The knuckle > coupler has a slot in the shank that fits to the location where the link > coupler came off of. > > Roger Hinds > > "S"wing and "S"way the "S" gauge way. :o) -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29651	From: seg60133	Date: 2/13/2004
Subject: Re: AF 375 - Thanks

Bob Tufts wrote an excellent article on the 375 in the S Gaugian in the summer of 1998. Only the APR 53 and MAY 53 date stamps in purple are acknowledged on authentic pieces. JUNE 1953 stamped in gold has not been verified as authentic. There are also several other identifying characteristics in the article. Steve Gruninger --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > Would the fact that its stamped in gold? exempt it from being a > forgery? John B. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > > > > I appreciate the information about this version of the 375. I > didn't know it > > existed. > > > > Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29652	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: multiple transformer dangers

Greetings! Upon refreshing my memory on electrical theory, I happened upon this rule of thumb when running transformers in parallel. Always use transformers that have the same secondary voltage(note NOT variable). Also, as has been discussed, polarities(phasing) must be correct. And the percent impedenceof the transformers should be the same. I realize that I do not usually ever think about impedence(resistance of the core) but as Tom has stated, when we have different voltages acting on a circuit, we have a dangerous situation, where equipment can and will burn out if not resolved quickly. To be safe, use similar transformers that DO have identical voltages and wattages. This will avoid an electrical "tug of war", where one transformer sees the other as a "load" . Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: multiple transformer dangers > Are the fixed voltage posts on dual transformers like a 30B connected > together inside the transformer? > > Bruce > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > We have been having a very interesting discussion last few months > about > > using multiple transformers in phase and double transformers such > as the > > 18B, to power interconnected loops and complex layouts wuth AC. > Great fun. > > "Advanced Flyer Railroading", I call it. However, there is one > situation > > that has not been discussed enough. Whether or not you use a base > post or > > common rail system, there is one electrical situation that should > > absolutely be avoided. > > > > Now, the following material is helpful, and I do want to share it > with the > > list. It may prevent one of you from toasting a transformer, and > help > > others understand the electrical part of their layout better. But > the > > information in this email is the product of hours of work at my > test bench, > > and has taken hours to write clearly. Therefore, other than for > list > > members' personal use, and insertion in the S-trains archives, I > reserve > > all rights to the reuse of this material, in whole or in part. I > do not > > want this material appearing on someone's web site or in someone's > book or > > magazine article, without my express written permission being > obtained in > > advance. And now, on to the fun. > > > > NEVER allow the base post and variable voltage post of one > transformer to > > BOTH be connected to the base post and variable post of another > > transformer, even for a short period of time. This can easily > happen > > through the wiring or through the track and switches, and either > way, it is > > a very bad thing. It drove the Gilbert service department nuts I > am sure, > > but their engineering folks never solved the problem. > > > > What happens is this: Imagine you have two trains each running on > its own > > loop or segment, powered by a double transformer or two separate > > transformers. Imagine that the base posts are connected to each > other (in > > an 18B or 30B the base posts are already connected, inside the > transformer) > > and variable voltage posts somehow become connected to each other. > If the > > two variable speed controls are set to produce the exact same > voltage, as > > measured by a good meter (the speed indications on the transformer > case are > > worthless), there is no problem. But as you speed one train up or > slow the > > other down, A VERY STRONG CROSS CURRENT BEGINS TO FLOW BETWEEN THE > TWO > > OUTPUTS. You will experience this as your two trains seeming to > fight each > > other. If you slow one train down, it will slow the other one > down, etc. > > THIS CROSS CURRENT CAN QUICKLY OVERHEAT YOUR TRANSFORMER(S) . > > > > 1. This current becomes very strong with a small increase in the > > difference between the two variable voltages. Only a small > difference in > > them can produce a current that is strong enough to overheat your > > transformer and damage it quickly. > > > > 2. The circuit breakers in Flyer transformers, even if in perfect > > condition, will not protect against this current. Thermal circuit > breakers > > do not work well if more than one of them at a time are in series. > There > > is no practical way to insert a circuit breaker into this > situation, and > > have it be the only one in the circuit. If there were, it would > pop in a > > New York minute. > > > > 3. Fixed voltage outputs in Flyer transformers should never be > connected > > to each other. You are just asking for trouble. If I tried to > explain it > > here it would make this email a lot longer. Of course, if you are > trying > > to do arc welding with an AF transformer, this does not apply. > > > > I hope you follow me so far. > > > > If your trains seem to be "fighting" each other electrically, and > you > > suspect this problem might be present on your layout, a simple test > would > > be this: > > > > 1. Disconnect ALL your transformers from the layout. Label the > wires with > > masking tape as to which wire goes to which transformer post. > > > > 2.For each variable voltage post, twist all the wires that go to > that > > variable voltage post together (connect them). > > > > 3. Test for continuity between the batch of wires connected to one > > variable voltage post and the batch connected to each other > variable > > voltage post you may have. If you have more than two variable > voltage > > outputs, test for continuity between each vv's wires and every > other set of > > vv wires. There should be no continuity; if there is, you have a > leak that > > will connect your vv posts, not a good thing, as described above. > You will > > have to figure out which wire causes the leak, and change the way > it is > > wired so that it no longer connects the two vv outputs. If the > leak is > > through the rails, you will have to insert one or more insulated > track pins > > in teh vv post rail to stop it. > > > > Your trains may only "fight" each other when the track switches are > thrown > > a certain way. This is a good indication that your variable > voltage posts > > are being connected through the track and switches. With Flyer or > SHS > > track switches, try the test in the previous paragraph with each > track > > switch that connects track loops in both the straight and curved > position. > > A connection may be created only when the track switches are thrown > in a > > certain way, and it may not be a direct connection by the shortest > route > > but may take a roundabout path around various parts of the track. An > > insulated track pin in the VV post rail that blocks the current > will stop > > the problem. > > > > I took some measurements of this cross current in amperes this > weekend, and > > was startled at how strong it is. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I will > share > > the test results in another, more technical, email, if you all are > > interested. > > > > It IS a good idea to put AF transformers "in phase" with each other > and > > connect the base posts. This gives you a common rail or base post > system. > > Power is distributed over a layout much better, and much block > section > > wiring can be avoided if you use Flyer or SHS switches. Just make > sure > > that none of the variable voltage posts can become connected to > each other! > > > > Tom Jarcho > > All rights reserved > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29653	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Atlanta Train Show February 21 and 22

AmericanFlyerTrains.com (your list sponsor and ebay alternative) will have 4 tables of vintage Gilbert goodies at the Greenberg Show at the North Atlanta Trade Center in Norcross, GA. Stop by and say hello if you're in the neighborhood! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29654	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2179

Ted - Do you happen to know the location yet? Mac Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> Subject: groups calendar > Subject: Spring S Spree is coming April 30 - May 1 in Columbus Ohio!! > > Spring S Spree scheduled April 30 - May 1 > in Columbus, Ohio > Shake off those winter doldrums and sign up for the early S only > show -- the 17th Annual Spring S Spree, this year hosted by the > Central > Ohio S Gaugers in Columbus, Ohio April 30 and May 1, 2004. Event organizers, get full use out of your Yahoo Groups website. You can use the calendar section for events such as this. ===== Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29655	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: HOME BUT NO TRAINS YET

To my digest friends, Just sat down at the keyboard for the first time in 28 days. Foot is up on the desk as surgery was Monday to rebuild the heal. I don't have any pain but I am limited in movement so aside from prayer time, Bible reading and answering email I won't be able to go downstairs to my trains for a couple of months. I won't be able to walk without a walker or drive a car for 2 1/2 months. Thanks for your calls & emails. Write back if you want to hear the rest of the story. It's been great to hear from so many friends. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29656	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Multiple Transformer Dangers

Hello Folks, This is my first posting to this list. I have read with great interest and learned a great deal about fixing and repairing my old trains from this list over the past couple of years. Today I thought I might be of some assistance back to this list. My intention is not to discredit anyone here but to help back. In the Electric Utility industry where I work I have NEVER seen any transformers hooked up in parallel. When you look up at a pole with two or three transformers you will see the transformers are interconnected. (similar to the base posts) However this is to obtain three phase current output. This is not "stacking up of transformers" to increase the output amperage capacity. If the transformers become overloaded because increased demand or load, then the proper way to deal with the situation is to use a larger transformer. In many cases our utility customers may add a second main switch ( a giant breaker box similar to the one in your basement). If a second transformer bank is used to service the second switch then the loads must never be interconnected as this can cause a potentially dangerous "backfeed" situation as well as differences in voltage potential. In the real world this can and has caused injuries, burns, and deaths. Tom Jarcho is absolutely correct in his well thought out posting stating that the variable posts can not be interconnected. I myself would be very worried that the transformers could also severely overheat and in the worst case cause a fire if the operator did not notice the heat buildup. I also recommend that the fixed voltage posts never be interconnected because of dirt, deterioration of windings, age of equipment, differences in impedence, etc. because of minor differences in the output voltage causing the "tug of war" previously mentioned. I have taken output voltage readings on several transformers of the same model and found that no two give the same output voltage readings from the fixed voltage side to the base post. Phase the transformers as previously described but if the operator needs more power then add another transformer and split the load and isolate it from the other transformers. Tom Jarcho recently wrote an excellent article in the "S Gaugian" about how the windings can eventually fail in these old transformers witch if interconnected across the fixed posts could create the same dangers as described by connecting the variable posts of transformers. In reference to another question about fixed voltages being connected together inside the transformer like a 30B. I have not taken apart a duel transformer yet, however on page 364 of my K line reference book it shows a schematic drawing of a No. 22090 duel transformer and the fixed voltages are NOT connected. I would be surprised if they were interconnected on any model because of the reasons I stated above. BTW I took voltage readings across two different No. 22090 transformers and two No. 22035 of mine and all six readings were different. I hope this will be of some help to this Great group. Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29657	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: further Flyer tx facts

Once again, I am offering this material to help you, my friends on the S-trains list, understand electrical things a little better, and avoid damaging your equipment. Other than for list members' personal use, and insertion in the S-trains archives, I reserve all rights to the reuse of this material, in whole or in part. I do not want this material appearing on someone's web site or in someone's book or magazine article, in whole or in part, without my express written permission being obtained in advance. The Gilbert base post or common rail AC track power system is a good system. This involves multiple transformers in phase with the base posts connected. You just have to be careful that the variable voltage posts do not become connected through the track for more than a few seconds. If you find that one of your trains is responding to two different throttles or transformers, JUST LIFT ONE OF THE HANDLES, OR TURN OFF ONE OF THE TWO TRANSFORMERS CONTROLLING THE TRAIN. That's all you have to do! By "turn off", I mean, no variable voltage at all, not even the small current that holds the reverse units in position. When you lift the handle on a Flyer turret transformer, it cuts off this holding voltage of about 5 v. On the 22035 or 22090 "pancake" transformers, you have to set the "direction control" switch to off. Lionel transformers at "zero" speed mostly produce a holding voltage that can be interrupted if necessary by holding down the "direction" button. This gives you zero v from the variable voltage. You also have to be careful in your accessory wiring that the fixed voltage of one linked transformer does not become connected to the fixed voltage of another linked transformer. But you have to be careful in your wiring anyway! 1. The factory schematics for the 18B and 30B double turret transformers show ONE fixed voltage output going to both fixed voltage posts. I believe this is correct, without unwinding a core to confirm it. Connecting the two fixed voltage posts of one of these units together will do nothing...they are already connected, two outlets for the same current. 2. The 22090 is two completely separate 175 watt transformers in the same case. Their base posts are not connected, though they can be if wanted. Their variable voltage posts are not connected. Their fixed voltage posts are not connected. They just share the same power cord from the wall outlet. 3. It is just fine to connect the base posts or commons of smaller and larger transformers in phase with each other in a common rail system,as long as they are "in phase". You just have to make sure that the variable and fixed voltage posts of one transformer do not become connected to those of another transformer, through your wiring or through the track. For instance, after phasing the transformers involved correctly, you can connect a 50 watt transformer's base post to your track transformer's base post and use the variable voltage of the smaller transformer to slowly activate an action car, such as the hinge-fragile 719 and 919 dump cars. If it is done correctly, the variable voltage to the action car will never become connected to the variable voltage post rail of the track. There will not be a problem. I commonly use 175 Watt, 100 Watt, and 50 watt transformers, all phased together and all with the base posts connected, in my layouts. You just have to make sure that the variable voltage posts , or the fixed voltage posts, do not become connected for more than a few seconds at most. If they do, the transformers quickly begin to overheat. That was the subject of my previous post on this issue, on Feb. 10. Modern power packs such as MRC may or may not be able to be used with old transformers. Some control train speed by varying the shape of the AC wave, and some have circuitry that can be damaged by a spark test for phase. If you use modern power packs, consult with the manufacturer first about whether they can be used in a common rail system with older units, and if so, about how to put them in correct phase with other transformers. Tom Jarcho All rights reserved

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29658	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: cow on track

When I place the insulating pins on the inside track the train stops even if the cow isn't on the track. If I place the pins on the outside track it shuts power of to a siding that is before the pins. This occurs only if the switch is set to enter the siding ie train backing into siding or pulling train out of siding. If I take the track sections with the pins out the trains work on both the main track and the siding. I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is correct. I have the switches set for 2 train operation. This is driving me crazy, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29659	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: insulating pins

Gary: You create a "stop zone" for a Flyer train stopping accessory, the talking stations, semaphore, sam the sehaphore man, and the cow on track, with two insulating pins, always in the rail connected to the base post of the transformer. It is always a good idea to run an extra wire AROUND the stop zone, that connects the base post rail on one side of the stop zone to the base post rail on the other side of the stop zone. This helps current flow through your rails and prevents dead spots such as you have.You can just use two track terminals. In your case though, you might get it to work by switching the little button on that switch to "one train oper" Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29660	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Cow on track

Thank you for your assistance. Wiring around the "stop zone" solved the problem. Again thanks to Tom J. and Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29661	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Omule] Digest Number 6

Thanks for the Williams-Plymouth link. I added it to the Links section of this Groups website. I also added another link that was posted, Bruce Pryor's White Pass site: http://narrowmind.railfan.net/WPYR/diesel/3_Plymouth_dia.JPG I hope that other people will add links to Plymouth critter websites. THANKS for the prototype dimensions! I got out my S scale rule and measured my Pennsy Plymouth. I see no mfr's name, but it looks like the ones in other photos on this site. The only markings are ATT Yugoslavia Is this the one you folks discuss? Width Length Height Prototype 8'0" 19'0" 10'0" (?) Model 8'0" 22'0" 10'8" Close enough to S scale for this guy, especially since somebody pointed out that these came in a variety of sizes. For this same reason, I do NOT intend to say that this model is incorrect for O scale. I just wish to make it known that the scope of this website and this model can legitimately include S scale. It seems that the scope could also include the other "HO" scale critters that are the same size as this one, per my previous postings and links. I added links to my critter photos. Anybody know the mfr of my Plymouth W "HO" critter? I'm told it might be Bachman. http://trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/ply-w.html Omule@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There are 11 messages in this issue. "My company, Williams Distribution, bought Plymouth from Ohio Industries in November of 2001. We are located in Akron, Ohio and can be reached at 800-229-6110. We acquired all of the parts, drawings, tooling and necessary proprietary information. Please give me a call should you have any additional questions at 877-893-6039, or use another email address, which is kjohnson@w... to reply. Thank you." Kevin M. Johnson Manager - New Product Development Williams Distribution http://www.williamsdistribution.com/distribution/index.jsp -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29662	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370

----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie and Edith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Sparking 370 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie and Edith To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:52 AM Subject: 370 Greetings, Need the groups thoughts on getting this engine operational. Setting on blocks the engine runs well. The problem involves the rear, uninsulated, wheel on the power truck. There is a lot of sparking from this wheel when the engine is placed on the track and powered. The sparking causes the e-unit to recycle, generally into neutral, so we don't get to far down the track. Removing the side frames does not help. The sparking occurs on straight or curved track and the wheel guage seems correct. There is a little up/down movement with the wheels in the frame but it is comparable to my other two diesels. In comparing notes in the repair manual to the engine, all seems to check out except for the number of washers .... the power truck has two washers above and one below, the rear truck has one washer above and two below. The manual shows just one in each location. The front uninsulated wheel on the power truck does not spark. Your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29663	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Postings

I got this from an unrelated mailing list and found that it echoed several recent experiences. Sorry, I don't know where it originated to give proper credit. A lesson in Posting: How many group posters does it take to change a light bulb? a.. 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed b.. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently c.. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs d.. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs e.. 53 to flame the spell checkers f.. 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames g.. 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... h.. another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive i.. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" j.. 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct k.. 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" l.. 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group m.. 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped n.. 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group o.. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty p.. 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs q.. 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's r.. 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group s.. 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" t.. 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy u.. 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" v.. 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ w.. 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" x.. 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" y.. 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" z.. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29664	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Postings

What does this have to do with light bulbs or lamps? :) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29665	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Help - Glue Recommendations wanted

Hi: I'm trying to repair a 963 observation car that has a crack at the rear seam. What type of glue works best on this type of Flyer plastic? I have Tenax 7R, Loctite "Quicktite" and a couple of two part epoxies handy but want to use the correct thing on this unit, so i only have to fix it once. Thanks, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29666	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370

----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie and Edith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Sparking 370 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie and Edith To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:52 AM Subject: 370 Greetings, Need the groups thoughts on getting this engine operational. Setting on blocks the engine runs well. The problem involves the rear, uninsulated, wheel on the power truck. There is a lot of sparking from this wheel when the engine is placed on the track and powered. The sparking causes the e-unit to recycle, generally into neutral, so we don't get to far down the track. Removing the side frames does not help. The sparking occurs on straight or curved track and the wheel guage seems correct. There is a little up/down movement with the wheels in the frame but it is comparable to my other two diesels. In comparing notes in the repair manual to the engine, all seems to check out except for the number of washers .... the power truck has two washers above and one below, the rear truck has one washer above and two below. The manual shows just one in each location. The front uninsulated wheel on the power truck does not spark. Your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29667	From: Carl	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Sparking 370

Hi, Sounds like you either have a ground to frame or the pick-up wheels are pitted. If this answer is correct, I don't want it copied outside this group in whole or in part. I especially don't want to see these words on anyone else's web site, because I excrete ginger ale and ice cream. Carl MillerAll Rights Deserved _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29668	From: butchclimax	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Pike Master

Hi Group, I'm in the process of rebuilding a lumber unloading car that had been equipped with pike master, all plastic pickup trucks. Problem is the pickup hardware is missing, though I can tell where it would have been attached. Could someone on the list send me a photo of a similar car(s) trucks so that I make new metal parts and resume work? I have checked the archives and several books without luck. Thanks in advance, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29670	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: HOME BUT NO TRAINS YET

Hello Glenn....I must admit, I do not know what's been happening in your life,but if you would like you to share with me what you've been up to , I could put you on my prayer list with regards to your present situation. Hang in there...Al Kielek----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] HOME BUT NO TRAINS YET > To my digest friends, > > Just sat down at the keyboard for the first time > in 28 days. Foot is up on the desk as surgery was Monday > to rebuild the heal. I don't have any pain but I am > limited in movement so aside from prayer time, Bible reading > and answering email I won't be able to go downstairs to my trains > for a couple of months. I won't be able to walk without a walker or > drive a car for 2 1/2 months. Thanks for your calls & emails. > Write back if you want to hear the rest of the story. > It's been great to hear from so many friends. > > Glenn > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29671	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/14/2004
Subject: Re: Postings

Hey Victor! Too much information? or what! ;>) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Postings > I got this from an unrelated mailing list and found that it echoed several recent experiences. Sorry, I don't know where it originated to give proper credit. > > > A lesson in Posting: > How many group posters does it take to change a light bulb? > a.. 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed > b.. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently > c.. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs > d.. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs > e.. 53 to flame the spell checkers > f.. 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames > g.. 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... > h.. another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive > i.. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" > j.. 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct > k.. 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" > l.. 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group > m.. 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped > n.. 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group > o.. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty > p.. 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs > q.. 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's > r.. 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group > s.. 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" > t.. 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy > u.. 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" > v.. 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ > w.. 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" > x.. 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" > y.. 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" > z.. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29672	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Light bulbs (off topic but you brought it up)

In Richmond VA (and maybe Boston as well) You could add #AA. 49 people to post how good the old lamp was and superior in many ways to the newer LED's!! At 05:57 AM 2/15/2004, you wrote: >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:50:49 -0500 > From: "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@...> >Subject: Postings > >I got this from an unrelated mailing list and found that it echoed several >recent experiences. Sorry, I don't know where it originated to give >proper credit. > > >A lesson in Posting: >How many group posters does it take to change a light bulb? > a.. 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been > changed > b.. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the > light bulb could have been changed differently > c.. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs edit......................................................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29673	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: AF Whistling Billboards

I'm trying to get a handle on the variations of AF's post-war whistling billboards. From the Greenberg's Price Guide and e-bay postings I have the following, with some questions: #566 (1951-55)--AF Santa Fe diesel in foreground; steam train in background. This seems to be the most common. #568 (1956)--??? #577(a) circus (1946-47)--Ringling Bros/Barnum-Bailey Circus ad. #577(b) Fox Mart (1947)--what is this "Fox Mart?" #577(c) Trains (1950)--??? #23568 (1957-64)--AF UP steam locomotive and train. I have also seen one with a Royal Typewriter ad--which AF number is this? Also, I seem to recall one with a New York Central Hudson on the billboard--what AF number does this one carry? Are there other variations? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29674	From: Alex	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Some soldering hints

This URL http://www.epemag.com/solderfaq/default.htm will take you to some good pages concerning soldering. Although some of the discussion focuses on circuit board soldering techniques, T think there's valuable info there for model railroaders, too. == Alex in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29675	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Winross

In Saturday's Rochester paper: Winross closes, citing foreign competition at $25 per truck, vs. $36 for Winross's US production. I did not know that they had any competitors......... -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29676	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 15, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29677	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboards

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > I'm trying to get a handle on the variations of AF's post-war > whistling billboards... ...Are there other > variations? > > Jeff Feldmeier Don't forget the 2-in-1 whistle from about 1949 or 1950 (#762, If I recall correctly). That billboard whistle had a movable plate energized by a solenoid that slid over the holes to produce a change in tone. The purpose was to simulate the sound of a distant train. An interesting accessory and much harder to find than the garden variety 566 or 577. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29678	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: New K-Line 2004 S Gauge

K-Line held its February Fair Days this weekend to promote their new products for this year. The 2004 catalog First edition shows a number of new items in S gauge which I will detail below. They also had two S cars which were available at the show only (so they say). They were K511-027 Lackawanna boxcar and K511-028 NYC tank car. Don Thompson of S Helper was also at the show. He had the new USRA hoppers on display and they looked great. They had the excellent detail and quality workmanship that is standard in the Showcase line. Here is the new S gauge lineup from K-Line: The first seven items are shown with a list price of $19.95 K511-029 Milwaukee Road Boxcar K511-030 Seaboard Boxcar K511-031 PRR Tank Car K511-032 ATSF Tank Car K511-033 B&O Depressed Center Flat Car with Construction Vehicle K511-035 Interstate Hopper with coal load K511-036 CNW Hopper (catalog says flat car w/vehicle but shows a CNW green and yellow hopper) The next items are show with a list price of $24.95 K511-037 Heinz Pickles Boxcar K511-038 Heinz 57 Tomato Ketchup Boxcar K511-039 NYPD Boxcar K511-040 FDNY Boxcar K511-041 Coca-Cola Boxcar (mostly white with red printing) K511-042 Coca-Cola Boxcar (red with white printing) K511-043 Ford Boxcar (white sides with blue ends and roof) There isn't a number K511-034 in the catalog (at least I didn't see one). There was a Milwaukee Road Caboose on display at the show. Maybe that is the number -034 but don't quote me on that. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29679	From: William Lange	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: BK Truscale Turnouts

Has anyone on the list tried the BK Truscale Turnouts with S-Trax? The description on the BK website reads, "TRU-SCALE HI-SPEED S SCALE TURNOUTS FOR HI-RAIL These are closed frog turnouts for use on layouts where both scale and American Flyer equipment are operated together." They are available in code 125 and 148. I would expect the code 125 to match up with the S-Trax. I'm hoping to put a new layout together with more scale friendly curves and crossovers. As much as I love my Flyer stuff I'm developing some Scale tendencies. I have a brand new AM Streamlined K4 that isn't very fond of my crossover of flyer switches, and it doesn't seem to care for 19" curves, even though I bought the hi rail version. Any ideas on tuning the K4 to handle the switches and curves would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29680	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/15/2004
Subject: Sparking 370 update

Greetings, my thanks for the suggestions! After an evening at the "bench", some additional discoveries to set before the group before reassembly. Resistance on the armature and field read .002. I get the same reading on my 372, which runs (yea!), so I will assume this to be acceptable? The armature bearings have no play and the armature rotates very freely. The field howerver, has the red and black wires reversed and the black wire was holding on by two strands. Could this be the problem? All the other wireing matches the 372 except for the field. The wheels all follow the same meter/continuity readings as the 372. The 370 has the the black covered wheels stagered, front left and rear right, while the 372 has both on the front. The armature thrust plates in the frame are there and show little ware. The gears show no ware patterns. Hope this added information is helpful and provides additional "food for thought". My thanks for your input! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29681	From: dat08901	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: Light bulbs vs. LED

Dear Nick, Have you seen our new "Golden White" LEDs? Don --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@i...> wrote: > ....the old lamp was and superior in many ways to the newer LED's!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29682	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: K-Line 2004 correction

In my last post I speculated that the Milwaukee Road caboose that I saw at the show may be number K511-034 that was missing in the 2004 catalog. After looking at the 2003 2nd edition catalog I realized that the caboose is number K511-026. I called the factory and they said that K511-034 is listed as a Union Pacific depressed center flat car with vehicle. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29683	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboards

> Don't forget the 2-in-1 whistle from about 1949 or 1950 (#762, If I > recall correctly). That billboard whistle had a movable plate > energized by a solenoid that slid over the holes to produce a change > in tone. The purpose was to simulate the sound of a distant train. > An interesting accessory and much harder to find than the garden > variety 566 or 577. Thank you, Scott! Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29684	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: FLYONEL NYC

Gentlepersons: Thanks for all the responses on my query on the B units and the extra baggage car. I've got the baggage car and am on a list for the B unit. I've put my dibs for other extra units but as far as I can find out they have all been sold out. So I will not have to worry about expanding my NYC passenger set beyond the ABA single baggage car configuration. Also my reference search could only come up with one NYC ABA configuration. Most of what I found where AB anyway. Another note, I have found some good trains books at Barns & Noble recently selling at a substantial discount. Most of them are more general survey books as compared to the railroad specific books. The railroad specific books which run in the $50.00 range are needed to have copies of, if your layout or collection is railroad specific, but I also like good general Railroad books. Some of the books that I have found are: The Art of the Streamliner by Bob Johnston and Joe Welsh with Mike Schater.ISBN 1-58663-146-2. Classic Trains by Hans Halberstadt, Barnes & Noble Product ISBN 0-7607-4806-3 The second is more of a coffee table book but it does a good exposition on engine types through the years. And finally to those Yankee fans who impinged upon the prospects of the Red Socks in 04. Despite the Texas trade, the Red Socks, like the Patriots will bring the World Championship to New England. QED. Regards Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29685	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: Re: Sparking 370 update

At 12:38 AM 2/16/04 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings, my thanks for the suggestions! After an evening at the >"bench", some additional discoveries to set before the group before >reassembly. Resistance on the armature and field read .002. I get the >same reading on my 372, which runs (yea!), so I will assume this to be >acceptable? The armature bearings have no play and the armature rotates >very freely. The field howerver, has the red and black wires reversed and >the black wire was holding on by two strands. Could this be the >problem? All the other wireing matches the 372 except for the field. The >wheels all follow the same meter/continuity readings as the 372. The 370 >has the the black covered wheels stagered, front left and rear right, >while the 372 has both on the front. The armature thrust plates in the >frame are there and show little ware. The gears show no ware >patterns. Hope this added information is helpful and provides additional >"food for thought". My thanks for your >input! >Best Wishes, Charlie Charlie, You mention the "black" wheels on the 370.. I believe the 370 didn't come with pullmor wheels. Perhaps the motor was exchanged or the pillmors were added. Anyway, the problem you describe sounds like only one steel wheel is picking up track power. When Gilbert added pullmors, a spring loaded pickup was also added to the side frame. If you do hot have such a side frame, you will get excessive sparking and a possessed e-unit. If you have side frame with a pick-up ,from another engine, try installing that for a test. I think you'll get positive results. The field wire placements are not a concern, as long as, they go to a field terminal on the e-unit. Please do not post any of my remarks or comments on any Website, all rights reserved. D.D. ( Human and Civil Rights Activist)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29686	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: 977 Caboose

The solution to fix the "buzz" in a 977 caboose, submitted by Alex Mendelsohn, works. I used a 25 amp bridge rectifier and installed it per the diagram and instructions. Mr. Flagman is now nice and quiet (no buzz, nothing, zilch) and he slides in and out. Good work, Alex. Joe Fariello Cooper City, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29687	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: 2 new records!

Hi All, I am pretty sure that the current congregation of 7 Jones & Laughlin tank cars at my house is probably the most that have been in one place at one time since they were sold in the 70s. I also painted all 7 of them today, so I am calling that an S scale record too. I have an HO J&L that I will be decaling with all of the S Scale cars. Now if I could only get an O scale car to finish too! In other news, I have updated my website again. Please give it a look. I update it about every 2 days, or as soon as I get a new idea for it! I will add photos of the J&L car grouping when they are completed. Thank You, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29688	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/16/2004
Subject: sintered trucks

How are the knuckle couplered sintered trucks held together? I am having a difficult time putting a side piece back on and having it stay. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29689	From: steve	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Duke the Walking Cowboy 970 Silver Meteor blues!

One of the freight cars I inheireted was the 970 silver meteor. The car did not come with smitty. (I did manage to figure out that he was supposed to go with it) I'm using a plastic cowboy, "Duke", to substitute temporarily for smitty but, I'm really not sure how this car is supposed to work, and basicly, it doesn't. Weather it has "Duke" on the little tab or not, it goes to one end and just sits there. Ive tried turning that lever at the end and the sound changes but thats about it. Is smitty so precisely balanced, as to make this work, or do I have some other problem going on? FYI: inside there is a thin fiber piece that runs along the length of the top. Thanks for your input, let me know what I failed to say that lets people know what the problem is. This is the only silver meteor Iv'e ever seen, other than in pictures, so I'm not the best judge of what should be there. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29690	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?

A couple of cars come to mind: 24125 Bethlehem Steel Gondola Circus wagons for the flat cars 911 C&O Gondola Ideas? Thanks Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29691	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: AF Whistling Billboards!

beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...> wrote: I'm trying to get a handle on the variations of AF's post-war whistling billboards. From the Greenberg's Price Guide and e-bay postings I have the following, with some questions: #577(b) Fox Mart (1947)--what is this "Fox Mart?" Jeff Feldmeier Fox Mart was a division of G. Fox & Co. a large department store in Hartford, Ct. The Fox Mart whistling billboard, and the G. Fox & Co. boxcar (633F), came in a special set made for that Co. It could be one of the first promotional sets made by A.C.Gilbert Co. Hope that helps..... Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29692	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: sintered trucks

They are held on by the sheet metal being forced into the sintered iron side frame. The sheet metal needs to fit snugly into the frame, and you may have to flatten out the sheet metal tab a bit to get a snug fit. A good repair requires the truck to be off the car. On the bench you get the sheet metal tab positioned over the area where it goes and then force it in. If it's not tight enough you may have to flatten the sheet metal tab some more by hitting the upper surface where it fits into the iron receptacle. Take a center punch and, with the sheet metal in place, hit the sintered iron right next to the sheet metal to deform the iron enough that it securely grabs the sheet metal. I have experimented with epoxy but it never seemed to work as well as a good mechanical fit obtained via the above steps. However, I have some epoxy repairs that have lasted for years. The big advantage to epoxy is that you don't need to take the truck off the car. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] sintered trucks > How are the knuckle couplered sintered trucks held together? I am > having a difficult time putting a side piece back on and having it > stay. > Dwight > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29693	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?

RFG, Portlines, TripleS and others. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > A couple of cars come to mind: > > 24125 Bethlehem Steel Gondola > > Circus wagons for the flat cars > > 911 C&O Gondola > > Ideas? > > Thanks > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29694	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Loads for Cars...Sources?

Thanks to all for the piles of suggestions! Had no idea there were so many sources to replace the kinds of pipes that don't ware out but merely get lost. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29695	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: 2004 K-line

Anyone know where the 2004 K-Line "S" gauge cars are shown? Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29696	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: sintered trucks, repairing

You should check the archives. You can epoxy, ACC, solder, peen, screw, or pin the sideframe in place and you can repair the frame in place or completely remove the truck, depending on how mad you are. These trucks can drive you nuts. But there are tricks to ifixing them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29697	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: Re: sintered trucks

Dwight, On freight trucks, they are held on by slightly deforming the sintered side frame against the sheet metal. However, the sintered metal is pretty brittle. So, you may not get away with deforming it twice. If you get away with twice, three times is quite unlikely. You can use epoxy. the other way I have heard of is to drill a small hole through the sheet metal and into the sintered metal and epoxy a piece of wire into the hole. I think you have to remove the truck from the chassis to do this. The tender trucks and passenger trucks have pins that fit through holes in the sheet metal. The pins are deformed to hold on the side frame. I have not had good luck deforming them a second time. Again epoxy seems like a good option. Good luck. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:21:42 -0000 > From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> >Subject: sintered trucks > >How are the knuckle couplered sintered trucks held together? I am >having a difficult time putting a side piece back on and having it >stay. >Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29698	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/17/2004
Subject: 370 Runs

Greetings! My thanks to all for the help in getting "sparky" back in operation. Removing the "Pul-Mor"(sp?) tire and replacing it with an uninsulated wheel, just happened to have one, seems tp have done the job. Having the second pick-up on that side has really made this engine a great runner as this Flyer now flys! A little work on the E-unit and we can look at cosmetics. Speaking of which, what is the best way to remove the remenants of a decal? The Flyer decal is mostly gone on one side and I understand replacements are available. Again my thanks and any decal removal suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29700	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs

Charlie asked: >what is the best way to remove the remenants of a decal? Check any hobby shops that deal in static model kits (aircraft, cars, ships, etc.) Such are likely to have a selection of separate decal sheets by companies such as Microscale. Microscale makes a solution specifically for removing old decals without harming paint or plastic. It's called...um, "Decal Remover," or something like that. There may be other brands, too. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29701	From: Alan and Sherry	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: American Models Caboose Lighting

Hello all, I have an American Model wood-sided Great Northern caboose. I bought it new from a dealer in 2002, but I do not know when it may have been produced or whether it is comparable to current production. I use it on our AC powered American Flyer S gauge Capitol Holidays Layout behind Gilbert AF cars pulled by AF steam locomotives or my American Models AC Alco FA units or SHS SW-9. We use standard AF tinplate track. My problem is that the lights in this AM caboose flicker much more than those in my of AF lighted cabooses. In addition, after cleaning the wheels, the little wire pick-up and the track, it will go around a few times with out too much flicker, then begin to flicker almost constantly and finally not light at all save for an occasional flash or flicker once or twice during a trip around the layout. I realize that the wheel flanges are smaller than AF and the little wire wiper on the axle is not much contact, but I would have thought that the AM lighting system would have been a bit more reliable on today's model trains. Is this an unusual problem for this caboose? If so, any ideas to improve short of some kind of constant lighting system? If this was a common problem, has a fix been determined by AM or those clever modelers among you where this kind of problem simply presents a welcome challenge? Finally, if constant lighting is my only hope, any recommendation of a system and supplier? Is that what AM shows on its website as "Caboose PCB light #LKC? Thanks, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29702	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: New to the group

I just want to say hello! Getting back into toy trains and plasticville after about 30 years! Any help anyone could give me will be most helpful!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29703	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: New to the group

Welcome to the group, flyerkid! You'll find plenty of help here on just about anything. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "flyerkid1935" <flyerkid1935@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New to the group > I just want to say hello! Getting back into toy trains and > plasticville after about 30 years! Any help anyone could give me > will be most helpful! > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29704	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line

Ed, This link will take you to the 2004 1st edition catalog Ron http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight&prdtype=2004%201st%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 marpack57@... wrote:Anyone know where the 2004 K-Line "S" gauge cars are shown? Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29705	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Caboose Lighting

I fixed mine by soldering very flexible thin wire from the pickup wires thru the floor to the ends of the printed wiring board. This bypasses the truck pivot screw which carries electricity poorly thru the floor to the board. Remove the roof which includes the window material by gently prying up for access. Mine glows very steadily now. Of course the wheels will get dirty but only after a long time now. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan and Sherry" <alansherry@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Caboose Lighting > Hello all, > > I have an American Model wood-sided Great Northern caboose. I bought it new from a dealer in 2002, but I do not know when it may have been produced or whether it is comparable to current production. I use it on our AC powered American Flyer S gauge Capitol Holidays Layout behind Gilbert AF cars pulled by AF steam locomotives or my American Models AC Alco FA units or SHS SW-9. We use standard AF tinplate track. > > My problem is that the lights in this AM caboose flicker much more than those in my of AF lighted cabooses. In addition, after cleaning the wheels, the little wire pick-up and the track, it will go around a few times with out too much flicker, then begin to flicker almost constantly and finally not light at all save for an occasional flash or flicker once or twice during a trip around the layout. > > I realize that the wheel flanges are smaller than AF and the little wire wiper on the axle is not much contact, but I would have thought that the AM lighting system would have been a bit more reliable on today's model trains. > > Is this an unusual problem for this caboose? If so, any ideas to improve short of some kind of constant lighting system? If this was a common problem, has a fix been determined by AM or those clever modelers among you where this kind of problem simply presents a welcome challenge? > > Finally, if constant lighting is my only hope, any recommendation of a system and supplier? Is that what AM shows on its website as "Caboose PCB light #LKC? > > Thanks, > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29706	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Transformers - GreetingS - Far be it for me to disagree with the excellent words presented in the matter of operating transformers in parallel. Perhaps some elucidation is in order. The diagram below likely will make some sense only if viewed on your computer in the plain text mode. There is no telling what MicroSoft may do to it. First, the matter of phasing. Real transformers have an output which is mostly sinusoidal when the supply voltage is sinusoidal. To wit: | * * |` * * * * | * o * x * o * x x | * o o * x x * o o * x x ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- o * | x x * o o * x x * o o * | x * o * x * o * * | * * * * | * * When the input voltage increases in a positive direction as indicated by a rising line of < * >, the output voltage also rises, indicated by a rising line of < o >. If a second transformer of similar input and output voltages shows an output out-of-phase with the supply voltage, indicated by the < x >, the output can be made to look like that indicated by < o > by reversing the plug in the outlet. Outputs from two transformers may be set for, say, 9 V. If base posts are connected, an 18 V lamp connected between the two 9 V posts will not glow if the transformers are phased together. If they are out-of- phase, the lamp will glow brightly. We shall come back to this point. Under load, the 9 V kfrom a transformer may drop to 7 V. A two-motor Alco will drop the voltage of a 30B a little bit. This is due to the transformer having internal losses (due to several impedances inside). If there are two transformers in parallel, one producing 9 V alone and the other 8 V, what happens if they are put in parallel. The two probably settle to 8.5 V. Now put the two-motor Alco on the track. The voltage drops to about 7 1/3 V with the first (9 V) transformer supplying most of the current, the second (8 V) supplying some of current. Now they are aiding, not fighting. This is not ideal train operation, but it is acceptable when handing a train off from one block to another. Several years ago at an ACSG show in Richmond, this was done for five or six hours handling two trains running in three blocks. No problems resulted. Back to phasing. At the same show, an attempt was made to used a newer, electronic transformer on one of the blocks. This unit first turned the current to DC, then used electronics to generate AC. The output voltage did not cross the zero line when the input did. It seemed to cross zero when the input was near the maximum or minimum value. It could not be put in phase with a conventional transformer. Had an oscilloscope been available, the problem could have been described more precisely. If you really want to know what is happening, use an AC voltmeter to measure between terminals before connecting anything other than base posts. Use an AC ammeter to ascertain the current flowing in a connecting wire, say, from the track voltage post. Here is an observation, not an endorsement. My handy AC ammeter is a clamp-on style from Radio Shack which has a 6 A range. If this raises any questions, feel free to send them my way. CheerS, Ammeter Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29707	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs

wet it and scratch it off with your fingernail--works most of the time without damaging the paint... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29708	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: [S/Sn3 Modeling Guide] S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Allentown, PA "Spr

Also at the show there will be an S section. The NASG layout and dealers with be there including SHS. Stop by and run the layout. John At 11:44 AM 2/18/2004, editor wrote: >S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Allentown, PA "Spring Thaw" This Weekend! > >Greetings Everyone! > >Great News! Your S/Sn3 Modeling Guide will be set up at the Allentown, PA >"Spring Thaw" This Weekend! AND, we will have "only" fifty copies of the >Volume 8 Issue 3 - Simon Parent Cover Issue with us to sell & distribute. > >If you are in the area and have a chance to come by, please do and you could >be the very first subscriber in your neighborhood to have you very latest >SMG! FIRST COME, FIRST GET. > >OK, enough marketing. We believe that if you enjoyed your "illusive" >December issue, you're gonna love this one. But then, you decide for your >self. We have only two more words to describe this very next issue: "More >Color!" > >Best regards, >Richard E. Bendever, Editor >S/Sn3 Modeling Guide >P. O. Box 56 >Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 >ORDERS: 908/304-5545 >www.ModelingGuide.com >SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > ><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ModelingGuide-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >Please be Sure to Visit our Home Page at www.ModelingGuide.com for >Subscriptions, Products & More! > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT ><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c8lpj7i/M=274551.4550177.5718621.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1706533818:HM/EXP=1077208648/A=1994230/R=2/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3349.yahoo1/B1282054.22;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;code=18634;dcopt=rcl;ord=1077122248567600?> >Click Here ><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c8lpj7i/M=274551.4550177.5718621.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1706533818:HM/EXP=1077208648/A=1994230/R=2/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3349.yahoo1/B1282054.22;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;code=18634;dcopt=rcl;ord=1077122248567600?>Click >Here >[] > > > >---------- >Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > <mailto:ModelingGuide-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>ModelingGuide-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29709	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 370 Runs

Removing Decals....I have tried that too....doesn't soften....I have a nice l & n box car....with a star and bar on it.....I too have asked at the hobby shop about removal aids....no luck....If anybody finds a solution...please let me know....RCON7 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <charlieandedith@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Runs > wet it and scratch it off with your fingernail--works most of the time > without damaging the paint... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29710	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Gee...........with all this technical info on transformers , this is really great.....But can someone tell how to plug it in the WALL !!!!!! LOL..... Yes Barb I am still HIGH on GLASS.... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29711	From: Carl	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Unknown

Ammeter Rhett wrote:Subject: Transformers - GreetingS -Far be it for me to disagree with the excellent words presented in the matterof operating transformers in parallel. Perhaps some elucidation is in order.The diagram below likely will make some sense only if viewed on your computerin the plain text mode. There is no telling what MicroSoft may do to it.First, the matter of phasing. Real transformers have an output which is mostlysinusoidal when the supply voltage is sinusoidal. To wit: | * * |` * * * * | * o * x * o * x x | * o o * x x * o o * x x ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- o * | x x * o o * x x * o o * | x * o * x * o * * | * * * * | * *When the input voltage increases in a positive direction as indicated by arising line of < * >, the output voltage also rises, indicated by a rising line of < o >. If a second transformer of similar input and output voltagesshows an output out-of-phase with the supply voltage, indicated by the < x >,the output can be made to look like that indicated by < o > by reversing the plug in the outlet. Outputs from two transformers may be set for, say, 9 V.If base posts are connected, an 18 V lamp connected between the two 9 V postswill not glow if the transformers are phased together. If they are out-of-phase, the lamp will glow brightly. We shall come back to this point.Under load, the 9 V kfrom a transformer may drop to 7 V. A two-motor Alcowill drop the voltage of a 30B a little bit. This is due to the transformerhaving internal losses (due to several impedances inside). If there are twotransformers in parallel, one producing 9 V alone and the other 8 V, what happens if they are put in parallel. The two probably settle to 8.5 V. Nowput the two-motor Alco on the track. The voltage drops to about 7 1/3 V withthe first (9 V) transformer supplying most of the current, the second (8 V)supplying some of current. Now they are aiding, not fighting. This is notideal train operation, but it is acceptable when handing a train off from oneblock to another. Several years ago at an ACSG show in Richmond, this wasdone for five or six hours handling two trains running in three blocks. Noproblems resulted.Back to phasing. At the same show, an attempt was made to used a newer,electronic transformer on one of the blocks. This unit first turned the current to DC, then used electronics to generate AC. The output voltagedid not cross the zero line when the input did. It seemed to cross zero when the input was near the maximum or minimum value. It could not be put in phase with a conventional transformer. Had an oscilloscope beenavailable, the problem could have been described more precisely.If you really want to know what is happening, use an AC voltmeter to measurebetween terminals before connecting anything other than base posts. Use anAC ammeter to ascertain the current flowing in a connecting wire, say, from the track voltage post. Here is an observation, not an endorsement. My handy AC ammeter is a clamp-on style from Radio Shack which has a 6 A range.If this raises any questions, feel free to send them my way. CheerS,Ammeter Rhett Rhett and everyone: Great post, Rhett. With all due respect to Mr. Jarco, I didn't get overly excited when I read his "ooga-booga-the-sky-is-gonna-fall" post about transformers getting into a voltage tug-of-war. I figure they have been used successfully for 50+ years on all types of layouts using block control. I do think his point was well taken that the block control system better be set up correctly, or transformers could over-heat. Well... okay. Let's make sure we wire them up correctly, for a variety of reasons. You ought to give some thought to copyrighting your post. In this age of information, EVERYTHING has value. Sincerely, Carl Miller Copyright 2004 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29712	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Frank Titman

Is he a member of this group?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29713	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Unknown

> >fGreat post, Rhett. With all due respect to Mr. Jarco, I didn't get >overly excited when I read his "ooga-booga-the-sky-is-gonna-fall" post >about transformers getting into a voltage tug-of-war. I figure they have >been used successfully for 50+ years on all types of layouts using block >control. I do think his point was well taken that the block control >system better be set up correctly, or transformers could >over-heat. Well... okay. Let's make sure we wire them up correctly, for >a variety of reasons. >You ought to give some thought to copyrighting your post. In this age of >information, EVERYTHING has value. >Sincerely, >Carl Miller >Copyright 2004 > > Carl, I think an important fact maybe is being overlooked here. There is a study, although preliminary, and not yet fully validated, but improper phasing of transformers may contribute to Global Warming. At the least, more research is needed. Please do not use any of comments or remarks for any website, all rights reserved. D.D. ( Criminal Justice Legal Rights Expert and Portrait Photogapher)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29714	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line

Gentlemen I looked at K lines offerings for 04 and was sort of disappointed. I thought they were going to produce their O big boy steam engine in S this year. Am I missing something? Any insight would be appreciated. Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29715	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 K-line

No they are not going to do it....I looked at one at York...And there is a fellow doing the conversion for 400.00....But like he pointed out to me the scale is really something 1/59....compare it to s at 1/64 and o at 1/48....see the slight oversize....when I saw this I lost interest....It would work with their cars though.....Also they told me at K-Line that the company in china didn't want to do it and there was not enough orders....RCON7 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 2004 K-line > > > Gentlemen > I looked at K lines offerings for 04 and was sort of disappointed. I > thought they were going to produce their O big boy steam engine in S this > year. Am I missing something? Any insight would be appreciated. > > Joe Haughney > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29716	From: Dave	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: 2004 Convention Car

Is there a 2004 Convention Car? Seems if it was advertized i missed it. Any information would be welcomed. Thanks all for your attention. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29717	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Track Plans

Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will be using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my space. Any ideas??? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29718	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: General Request to ALL on the list...

Several responses I received to my recent question leave a clear indication that there are ruffled feathers between list members and S parts vendors. If you have a problem with a vendor, please settle it yourself with that vendor and do not use such questions as a gossip avenue. I flat out will IGNORE anything of gossip nature information I have received. GOT IT?! It is one thing to warn of bad eBay screen names, it is another to slander a registered tax paying bla bla bla business specializing in our favorite products. Thank You! :-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29719	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

If you like you can plan and plan and plan on paper....My layout came from having a 4'-4" x 8'-0" space.....I threw a pile of track and switches onto it and just started playing. Fit some here...some there...etc....I am still tinkering with it.....You can also use your computer to make some track pieces and move them around in some type of CAD program.....Have FUN........ RCON7 Bob----- > Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge > track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will be > using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i > would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my > space. Any ideas??? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29720	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

Not a bad size table. There are some rather nice track plan photos in the various photo album's related to this list. The Yahoo site, Paul's server - I've learned they are not mirror images and to check both. Style is a big deal to me in any layout - run lots of trains in loops, crossings, switches, etc... or really trying to do some prototyle style switching, spotting, etc... Though I will put together "contraptions" to have some fun, I will probably only tack down the track when I settle on some plan that is a bit more real. Thanks to Tom on this list having fun with fancy figure 8's a while back... http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun35 I've tested a couple of layouts with our children's Brio, next will be RRTrack software, and once a table is built get down to some real action. One will feature three 90' crossings, lots of curve, and definately nothing prototypical about it at all. Another was doing this one in Brio http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 ....Ran out of track to do it ALL but was pretty close! I've also been looking at track plans of cities around here for ideas. There is a lot to learn if you look for the details. Track plans + the schedule of trains = they go together. Just remember, no such thing as a mistake... well, I'll call a straight track to the edge of the table and nothing beyond a mistake! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29721	From: waldootten	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

It's expensive at about $79, but I bought the layout-planning software RR-Track Vol. 4 online and it works great. I didn't want to use anyone else's plans because none of them fit well in the size and space I had to work with (11 by 13 feet). It allows you to program the style of S track you are using (From AF to AM to SHS and Gargraves) and place the various track pieces in place on a layout (you set up the size and shape). I use AM track and it was so accurate, in a place where I had to make a custom cut-to-length on a straight section, the software said the final piece to finish a loop should be cut to 6.5 inches. When I got to that point with real trackage, the correct cut was 6.4 inches. Close enough for me. It allowed my imagination to play with various track plans on the computer screen (as opposed to many pieces of paper) and make immediate changes if necessary. Very convenient if you don't have oodles of time. It also gave me totals for how many of each piece (i.e. 21, 24, and 27-inch radius curves and left and right turnouts) I would need to complete the layout. It also allows you to compute grades and gives you a 3D colored view of your layout from any angle on the compass. Pretty cool. Phil K ********************************************************************* > Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge > track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will be > using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i > would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my > space. Any ideas??? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29722	From: Tim	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

Sounds to me as though it works quite well with conventional sectional track. Can it be configured to work with various radii of track, such as if I would use flex track or otherwise re-bend vintage sectional track beyond the K-line wide radius curves. Thanks, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Plans It's expensive at about $79, but I bought the layout-planning software RR-Track Vol. 4 online and it works great. I didn't want to use anyone else's plans because none of them fit well in the size and space I had to work with (11 by 13 feet). It allows you to program the style of S track you are using (From AF to AM to SHS and Gargraves) and place the various track pieces in place on a layout (you set up the size and shape). I use AM track and it was so accurate, in a place where I had to make a custom cut-to-length on a straight section, the software said the final piece to finish a loop should be cut to 6.5 inches. When I got to that point with real trackage, the correct cut was 6.4 inches. Close enough for me. It allowed my imagination to play with various track plans on the computer screen (as opposed to many pieces of paper) and make immediate changes if necessary. Very convenient if you don't have oodles of time. It also gave me totals for how many of each piece (i.e. 21, 24, and 27-inch radius curves and left and right turnouts) I would need to complete the layout. It also allows you to compute grades and gives you a 3D colored view of your layout from any angle on the compass. Pretty cool. Phil K ********************************************************************* > Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge > track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will be > using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i > would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my > space. Any ideas??? Thanks! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29723	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

At 06:42 PM 2/18/04 +0000, you wrote: >Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge >track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will be >using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i >would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my >space. Any ideas??? Thanks! Try www.thortrains.net. It mainly for "O", but will has some "S" layout. The layouts with 42 radius "O" would be similar to "S". At the least, you'll get some good ideas Please do not use any of my comments or remarks for any website, all rights reserved. D.D. (a trainman)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29724	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

Does anyone have any experience with the software using track from different suppliers? For example, I have SHS in 2 radii, AM in 2 radii, SHS flex track, code 125 miller tie type, and BK switches. (Yes, it is a pain to put them all together!). Rance Velapoldi Tim wrote: >Sounds to me as though it works quite well with conventional sectional track. Can it be configured to work with various radii of track, such as if I would use flex track or otherwise re-bend vintage sectional track beyond the K-line wide radius curves. > >Thanks, >Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: waldootten > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:57 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Plans > > > It's expensive at about $79, but I bought the layout-planning > software RR-Track Vol. 4 online and it works great. I didn't want to > use anyone else's plans because none of them fit well in the size > and space I had to work with (11 by 13 feet). > > It allows you to program the style of S track you are using (From AF > to AM to SHS and Gargraves) and place the various track pieces in > place on a layout (you set up the size and shape). > > I use AM track and it was so accurate, in a place where I had to > make a custom cut-to-length on a straight section, the software said > the final piece to finish a loop should be cut to 6.5 inches. When I > got to that point with real trackage, the correct cut was 6.4 > inches. Close enough for me. > > It allowed my imagination to play with various track plans > on the computer screen (as opposed to many pieces of paper) and make > immediate changes if necessary. Very convenient if you don't have > oodles of time. It also gave me totals for how many of each piece > (i.e. 21, 24, and 27-inch radius curves and left and right turnouts) > I would need to complete the layout. It also allows you to compute > grades and gives you a 3D colored view of your layout from any angle > on the compass. Pretty cool. > > Phil K > > ********************************************************************* > > Where can I find some geared to S gauge? Where can I find S gauge > > track? I have 6 X 16 foot space in my garage for a layout, I will > be > > using that. I would like to run passenger and freight trains. i > > would like to have a big city theme. But, I am limited with my > > space. Any ideas??? Thanks! > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29725	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

Rance, I have used it with Flyer and SHS track. The S guage library does not expect a layout to be made with mixed track brands but if you are persistent in lining the ends up exactly, you can get Flyer and S-Helper to link. I have been in touch with the manufacturer and they are interested in what track brands can be mixed. If list members have input I'll forward it along. I'm accessing my e-mail via web while on a business trip so I don't have access to my saved messages. I'll get the contact info when I return home if anyone is interested in pursuing this directly. Bill Lange > Does anyone have any experience with the software using track from > different suppliers? For example, I have SHS in 2 radii, AM in 2 radii, > SHS flex track, code 125 miller tie type, and BK switches. (Yes, it is > a pain to put them all together!). > Rance Velapoldi > > Tim wrote: > > >Sounds to me as though it works quite well with conventional sectional track. > Can it be configured to work with various radii of track, such as if I would use > flex track or otherwise re-bend vintage sectional track beyond the K-line wide > radius curves. > > > >Thanks, > >Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29726	From: jt12313	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: K-line...engines?

Sooo... When do you think K-line will revamp the old Marx engine dies (the E/F unit or the 1998) for S-gauge operation? Jeff Ps. Where's the Santa Fe caboose, Hopper etal. ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29727	From: jt12313	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Lionel car hauler in 2004 book

Lionel is reissuing a two deck car hauler for about 25.00, available in June. They are really easy to kitbash to S operation. Slice of 1/4 inch from each end and add flyer trucks. Plus, this is way cheaper than buying a three deck off of ebay. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29728	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2182

Bill, We ordered seven for the layout we are building. We bought C125 to go with SHS flex track. It took 12 weeks to get them. The BK switches are actually kits. You cannot just install them in your layout. What you get is the frog, the points assembly, the stock rails and guard rails. The parts are taped onto paper in the package. They have some instructions that leave quite a bit to figure out. The trickiest part is figuring out where to locate the pivot point for the movable point assembly. After struggling with the BK switches, my S-scale buddy, decided he could build them himself a lot faster, cheaper and at least as well. He has built all the others we needed. I suggest you go to http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html and click on the link for "How to build s-scale closed frog switch to see how Tom Robichaud does it. He used C148, but we used C125. His switches look better than the BK switches. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee At 11:21 AM 2/16/04 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:29:10 -0500 > From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> >Subject: BK Truscale Turnouts > >Has anyone on the list tried the BK Truscale Turnouts with S-Trax? > >The description on the BK website reads, "TRU-SCALE HI-SPEED S SCALE >TURNOUTS FOR HI-RAIL These are closed frog turnouts for use on layouts >where both scale and American Flyer equipment are operated together." >They are available in code 125 and 148. I would expect the code 125 to >match up with the S-Trax. >I'm hoping to put a new layout together with more scale friendly curves >and crossovers. As much as I love my Flyer stuff I'm developing some >Scale tendencies. I have a brand new AM Streamlined K4 that isn't very >fond of my crossover of flyer switches, and it doesn't seem to care for >19" curves, even though I bought the hi rail version. Any ideas on >tuning the K4 to handle the switches and curves would be appreciated as >well. >Thanks! > >Bill Lange

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29729	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/18/2004
Subject: Supertrain Calgary Alberta

Greetings All! Just to give a quick follow-up this weekend to the train show here this past weekend. First, I wish to thank John Foley (NASG) for sending me a whole bunch of promotional material about S gauge trains and suppliers. I was all out of them by the time 5pm came and was left empty handed by Sunday. I had the pleasure of having the expertise of my 8 year old nephew to push buttons and run the trains, both days(!) while I talked to people about the virtues of S gauge. All in all, a very tiring but very rewarding weekend........Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29730	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

At 06:38 PM 2/18/04 -0600, you wrote: >Sooo... When do you think K-line will revamp the old Marx engine dies (the >E/F unit or the 1998) for S-gauge operation? > >Jeff Jeff, According to a representative from K-line I spoke to last week, the company has no plans to produce a engine in "S". They do not think they can sell the 1,000 unit minimum needed for a run. D.D.( keeping hope alive)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29731	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1951 sets

Good Morning, I have two sets from the 1951 catalog, that a friend of mine is wanting to sell: 4904T 290 with a 639 and 640 hopper and a 630 caboose...the engine needs a rivet and washer in the tender drawbar, the 630 has a step repair from a 630 shell. 5107W 360 364, with 734 and platform, 631, 636 and 630 caboose, the 630 has a step repair from a 630 shell, the engines are missing a couple steps, the draw bar between the A&B is missing and the number decals are missing , the nose decals on the A unit is all there but it has a real problem it is about 3/8" off center to one side, from the factory...set has air chime operator with it, also a 15 B transformer, track and a billboard Both sets are still all link couplers, have been played with, but still in very good shape, corners ands roof walks strong Anyone remotely interested in these two singlely or together before I put them on eBay? Thanks Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29732	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185

DECAL REMOVAL. I have had good luck removing decals ( particularly military air plane decals placed be well meaning kids just playing with there trains ) by placing a small patch of cotton cloth, soaked with CLEAN water, on the decal & keep it wet, & letting it set over night, it should be ready to lift off by morning. This method doesn't seam to damage AF paint. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29733	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185

K-LINE I agree with Bob Conner that the Big Boy 1/59 scale is to big to convert to 1/64 successfully. I did purchase one at York last fall. It is the prime mover for my 1/16 scale pre war ( three rail ) it whips the ultra heavy die cast cars around the layout like you can't believe, the original AF 4-8-4, # 806 will only pull 3 care, The Big Boy it is an excellent runner, good sound, smokes, all the bells and whistles, I love it. The K-line box cars are 027 cars from Marx dies? excellent painting and markings. I purchased several at York for $15.00, swapped out the trucks ( converted them to 3 rail ) & used the well detailed K-line 2 rail trucks under my kit built fright cars, any good two rail truck will run at least $15.00. That my story and I am sticking to it. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29734	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Interesting eBay item closing today

Head scratch of the day... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3175514319&category=480 The TM price guide shows this number should be a Pick Master style and if painted yellow/black vs yellow/tuscan. I hope the buyer likes what they get. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29735	From: firex43	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Sintered Iron Truck Repair

Please see Doug Peck's clinic on the Portlines.com site for a great way to repair these trucks without the use of glues or trying to peen over the sideframe. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29736	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Sintered Iron Truck Repair

A link to get you there: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic13.htm firex43 <JKFirex43@...> wrote:Please see Doug Peck's clinic on the Portlines.com site for a great way to repair these trucks without the use of glues or trying to peen over the sideframe. John Keating S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29737	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay item closing today

In a message dated 02/19/2004 9:54:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, pianoman@... writes: Head scratch of the day... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3175514319&category=480 The TM price guide shows this number should be a Pick Master style and if painted yellow/black vs yellow/tuscan. I hope the buyer likes what they get. Michael Either it's another Gilbert anomaly or someone did a nice job of changing the numbers on a 937. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29738	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: OT: Lionel's Latest newsletter

Lionel's latest newsletter shows an O Gauge "Polar Express" set. The Polar Express movie is due out around Thanksgiving. PM 1225 (get it? 12/25) was used as the image for the locomotive. I am also involved with the 1:1 scale organization formally known as The Michigan State Trust For Railway Preservation (nee Project 1225); now called The Steam Railroading Institute. We have two operable steam locomotives! See http://www.mstrp.com for more information. Apparently, Lionel doesn't care about real live locomotives; even those in their backyard (though they are also "based" in Michigan). Here is information sent to me from our Executive Director: "Neil, Here is the message I sent to them. So far Lionel has been uninterested in our connection to the movie. I was on the phone with their PR person this week to see if we couldn't have some sort of joint marketing effort. They were nice and patronizing but didn't seem to see any advantage to them. DB" "The Steam Railroading Institute is under contract with Warner Bros. and is proud to have our Pere Marquette 1225 steam locomotive used as the image for the Polar Express locomotive. Over two years of information exchange has created a nearly exact image of our 2-8-4 Berkshire right down to the nut and bolt. Even the PM 1225's whistle audio is used in the movie. (We also provided detailed information for the passenger cars as well.) We look forward to sharing our story of the close working relationship we have made with Warner Bros. and Sony Image Works staffs. There are tentative plans for a premier in Grand Rapids MI that would bring together the PM 1225 with the actors and author. If possible, I would appreciate mention of this connection and our web site: www.mstrp.com Dennis Braid Executive Director Steam Railroading Institute" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29739	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

I want to try to strip a steam engine down to it's parts, clean and replace defective parts, & finally put it back together. I would really like to make it "PURRRRR." I am reluctant to attempt it. I fear that I will not be able to get it back together due to lack of knowledge, and not being mechanical. I do have several books and they are informative but............ I have read several of our E-mails where people say they had an engine serviced. To me that means there are other folks in my situation. With this in mind I am wondering, if at some of the Shows, would it be possible to set up a table where mechanically challenged folks like myself could bring an engine,replacement parts & tools. Once seated we would do the work under the supervision of a very knowledgeable train repairman. Perhaps the repairman would be paid. Is this a practical idea? Who should this idea be presented to? How long does it take disassemble and then build an engine? Could this be done with both steam & diesel engines at the same table? Thank you for your attention. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29740	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1952 K5210W set K335, Wooden 928, Setbox, wraps, etc.

Hi there! I just wanted to let you know that I've listed some more Flyer items on my site, http://www.NicksTrains.com, under the American Flyer category. Some items include: K5210W K335 Freight Set with uncommon pressed wood 928 log car, set box, original boxes, wrap, etc. K775 Unloading platform and car with original boxes K771 Stockyard with original boxes and more There will be more coming next week. Take a look at these and the others and let me know if you're interested. Otherwise, I will list the items on ebay within 30 days. To sign up to receive emails as we get add'l items, visit http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/db.asp. Many thanks! Greg Nicholas TCA, TTOS, LCCA www.NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29741	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Bill....There are several good books out there on Flyer repair....most of the "S" suppliers have them.....Remember AC kept things simple, to an extent, I would take an old beat up engine, like an Atlantic and just carefully disassemble it to learn the parts...clean the pieces and reassemble it...If its electrical....look at the wiring....the guides will give you answers....Now wait till you get to rebuilding a smoke unit!!!!!...I have and I did!!!!.I have used Atlantic parts to repair A Challenger, motor, e-unit, etc....You will find its not that difficult....We have a Lady on the List who is now doing all her repairs....remember one thing....never throw away any parts...some day they will be used....we all started by tearing up an engine and putting it back.......Give it a try. Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29742	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

Dennis, Could you give me the name of that K-line rep? I see lots more sales than the 1,000 if that engine was part of train sets. K-line has the cars and track and that's all they need to have good quality, but inexpensive train sets, something that we have all wanted for a long long time. Thanks, Roy Hoffman NASG Pres. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > At 06:38 PM 2/18/04 -0600, you wrote: > >Sooo... When do you think K-line will revamp the old Marx engine dies (the > >E/F unit or the 1998) for S-gauge operation? > > > >Jeff > > > Jeff, > According to a representative from K-line I spoke to last week, the > company has no plans to produce a engine in "S". They do not think they can > sell the 1,000 unit minimum needed for a run. > > D.D.( keeping hope alive)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29743	From: keefer1	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Hourly rate at repair shop. $20 an hour $30 if you watch $40 if you help. What kind of loco is it? I would start on one with simple linkage,303,283 type.Tear it apart, if you get stuck post a question, or call.Keith --- WEG138@... wrote: > I want to try to strip a steam engine down to it's > parts, clean and replace > defective parts, & finally put it back together. I > would really like to make it > "PURRRRR." I am reluctant to attempt it. I fear that > I will not be able to > get it back together due to lack of knowledge, and > not being mechanical. I do > have several books and they are informative > but............ > > I have read several of our E-mails where people say > they had an engine > serviced. To me that means there are other folks in > my situation. > > With this in mind I am wondering, if at some of the > Shows, would it be > possible to set up a table where mechanically > challenged folks like myself could > bring an engine,replacement parts & tools. Once > seated we would do the work > under the supervision of a very knowledgeable train > repairman. Perhaps the > repairman would be paid. > > Is this a practical idea? Who should this idea be > presented to? How long does > it take disassemble and then build an engine? Could > this be done with both > steam & diesel engines at the same table? > > Thank you for your attention. > > Bill > Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29744	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

Where did you find it for $79? I found it for $99. Maybe we could get a discount if others on the list wanted it. Any takers? John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > It's expensive at about $79, but I bought the layout-planning > software RR-Track Vol. 4 online and it works great. I didn't want to > use anyone else's plans because none of them fit well in the size > and space I had to work with (11 by 13 feet). > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29745	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Track Plans

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:33:57 -0000, John Brockmann wrote: >Where did you find it for $79? I found it for $99. http://rrtrack.com/html/ordering.html $79 is the version w/o any accessory libraries. >Maybe we could get >a discount if others on the list wanted it. Any takers? John B. Oh please. I too develop software. It's not like he will sell a million copies of the program... $200 is more what I would think his time is worth for each copy, at least. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29746	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: #913 Great Northern Boxcar

Question for the group; On the very last version of the #913 that was produced in 1958, was the logo the sticker or was it stamped version? Appreciate any info.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29747	From: luchocastrope	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Big,Big,Big American Flyer train colection for sell

Hi: i have a realy big colection of Gilbert American Flyer (7 engines,37 freight cars, more than 140 feet of tracks and a lot of stations if you want to see details and pictures just write me(only that you need is a big mail for the 65 pictures)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29748	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to remember? ;) Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29749	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

At 02:33 PM 2/19/04 -0500, you wrote: >I want to try to strip a steam engine down to it's parts, clean and replace >defective parts, & finally put it back together. I would really like to >make it >"PURRRRR." I am reluctant to attempt it. I fear that I will not be able to >get it back together due to lack of knowledge, and not being mechanical. I do >have several books and they are informative but............ > >I have read several of our E-mails where people say they had an engine >serviced. To me that means there are other folks in my situation. > >With this in mind I am wondering, if at some of the Shows, would it be >possible to set up a table where mechanically challenged folks like myself >could >bring an engine,replacement parts & tools. Once seated we would do the work >under the supervision of a very knowledgeable train repairman. Perhaps the >repairman would be paid. > >Is this a practical idea? Who should this idea be presented to? How long does >it take disassemble and then build an engine? Could this be done with both >steam & diesel engines at the same table? > >Thank you for your attention. > Bill >Greaves Bill, Considering the time element involved, a person would be able to completely go through two or three engines, at most. Add in the tools and parts that might be needed and the atmosphere of people looking over your shoulder, it would be impractical. If you are overhauling a engine, for the first time, the most important tool you need is a notebook. Write down notes, draw diagrams, keep parts from different areas of the engine separate. Use baggies, small cups, etc., and mark them. Pay special attention of where the side linkage was attached, where the armature washers placed. Remember, these are simple machines. They were mass produced toys. They were well built, evidenced by how long they have lasted. But, if you take your time, there's no repair you can't master. Got one of those new fangled digital cameras? Take pictures of everything as you go. You can't have too much information. Plus, there are people here who will help you as you go along. D.D. ( keepin' the dream alive)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29750	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: 1951 sets

Evening, The two sets are taken. Many thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29751	From: roy inman	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, et

Sure Bruce, For one thing, the repair station was the hobby shop down the street, where a complete overhaul was maybe $12.00. For the most part, since my dad was a mechanic by trade, we repaired our own. Parts were affordable, even on dad's salary. And of course, trains were simpler machines then, and they were new. We weren't working with 40-60 year old stuff. Then too, there was no television, no socker games, etc., so it seems my dad always found the time to repair, tinker and otherwise play with trains-and planes, and I was always around to "help." Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: xitter1224 <xitter1224@...> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:34:45 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: > > I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there > were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many > people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to > going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to > remember? ;) > > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29752	From: Tim	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

I'll speak from personal experience: I don't know about the 40's, but in the 50's & 60's there were train repair shops - usually "L", which would do double duty. Remember, back then the stuff was new, so there weren't the metal fatigue factors that there are today. There were train shows in the 60's and the "L" dealers would sometimes practically give boxes of Flyer "junk" away. We swapped back then from word-of-mouth, a phone call and a visit. Since Flyer was still being produced, if something broke too badly, we either just tossed it out or threw it in the toy box and stopped playing with it. As kids, we weren't as much collectors as we are now, so we could have fun with a whole lot fewer things. I think our imaginations were more in gear then, maybe. Tim Brown © 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: xitter1224 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to remember? ;) Bruce S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29753	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2185

In a message dated 2/18/04 7:06:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:15:07 -0000 > From: "flyerkid1935" <flyerkid1935@...> > Subject: New to the group > > I just want to say hello! Getting back into toy trains and > plasticville after about 30 years! Any help anyone could give me > will be most helpful! > > Welcome to the group. Just ask, I've learned a lot from all of these knowledgeable gentlemen and ladies. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29754	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

We had a train repair man in town.... But he would cheat you if he could....I never really had any problems with my stuff....I got it and it worked...Like it was supposed too.........Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: > I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there > were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29755	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2187

In a message dated 2/19/04 9:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:34:45 -0000 > From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> > Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: > > I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there > were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many > people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to > going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to > remember? ;) > Yes, my Dad sat me down (without Mr. Barker's book, I might add) and we pulled one apart, identified the parts, cleaned and replaced. I loved every minute of it and now I know one man that my Dad would be proud to call a friend that does repair work. He is one reason I enjoy this hobby again, and you know who you are. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29756	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Well Bruce, I remember as a child growing up in the Detroit Area that on the west side of Detroit there was the "Train Clinic" which was located on Hubbell Street. I remember going there when I was about 5 (1957) with my Mom to go get my older brother's #302 fixed. That's where my folks bought me my first Flyer engine which was a used, #313 (I still have it!). Behind the counter was a shelf with all kinds of engines awaiting pick up from their owners. I could see the repair area farther back behind the counter. I remember the "Train Clinic" as a very busy place with lots of people in it. Of course being 5 years old, everything seemed huge and filled with lots of people! I really think that is where I caught the bug to fix Flyer trains. Oh, the American Flyer stuff they had!! I wish I could go back and visit but alas, it's all gone. I still have the great memories though! :) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "xitter1224" <xitter1224@y...> wrote: > I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there > were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many > people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to > going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to > remember? ;) > > Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29757	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Even in the late 50's/early 60's, AF reoairs were a challenge. I remember the "glee" my father expressed when he found a repair shop about 30 minutes from us that not only worked on Flyer, but had some parts and track in stock. Much of what remains from my childhood trains, had their first part transplants at this little local shop. And as I recall. a few "unrepairs" to my dad's good intentions. Robert E. In a message dated 2/19/2004 9:26:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to remember? ;) Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29758	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: K-Line Engine

Dennis Donovan wrote: > Jeff, > According to a representative from K-line I spoke to last week, the > company has no plans to produce a engine in "S". They do not think they can > sell the 1,000 unit minimum needed for a run. > > D.D.( keeping hope alive) Unfortunately I believe that you misunderstood the K-Line reply. They do not intend to do the Big Boy as their manufacturer required 1000 units (even though they required less than that for the "O" version). However, K-Line is still very much interested in producing one or more S gauge locomotives, probably they will be diesel, and offering one or more S gauge sets. These just will not be "top of the line", but, hey, we have SHS for that!!! I hope that everyone has seen the beautiful Pure Oil S gauge tank car that recently came out from K-Line. It is a real looker. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29759	From: jt12313	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

1,000 engines en total or 1,000 of a given road name? I would like to see Santa Fe engines and perhaps sets because... I can see these cars being a starter set because the cost is low, I would rather give the K-line product as a gift to future children because if Jeff jr. busts his Santa Fe boxcar I will not be as upset (hmm, $20.00, fix or replace) if jr. broke one of my SF hoppers from the pikemaster era (oh you broke the car that great grandpa bought me in 1965). And besides, these are toys, there is no illusion of pure scale, you put your oval of track down and play! Whom ever that rep is... Lets start working on him and all of the K-line brass. We want our K-line S engines!! (ok, not as catchy as I want my mtv) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Donovan" <riker@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line...engines? > At 06:38 PM 2/18/04 -0600, you wrote: > >Sooo... When do you think K-line will revamp the old Marx engine dies (the > >E/F unit or the 1998) for S-gauge operation? > > > >Jeff > > > Jeff, > According to a representative from K-line I spoke to last week, the > company has no plans to produce a engine in "S". They do not think they can > sell the 1,000 unit minimum needed for a run. > > D.D.( keeping hope alive) > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29760	From: Tim	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Indulge me while I enhance my own post: Yes, we would swap trains back in the 60's and 70's by word-of-mouth, a phone call and a visit. Notice that those were all social interactions, as contrasted to the e-interactions of today vis-a-vis this list, eBay, etc. This will all be in my book, someday. I'm giving a little preview now. Tim Brown © 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; xitter1224 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: I'll speak from personal experience: I don't know about the 40's, but in the 50's & 60's there were train repair shops - usually "L", which would do double duty. Remember, back then the stuff was new, so there weren't the metal fatigue factors that there are today. There were train shows in the 60's and the "L" dealers would sometimes practically give boxes of Flyer "junk" away. We swapped back then from word-of-mouth, a phone call and a visit. Since Flyer was still being produced, if something broke too badly, we either just tossed it out or threw it in the toy box and stopped playing with it. As kids, we weren't as much collectors as we are now, so we could have fun with a whole lot fewer things. I think our imaginations were more in gear then, maybe. Tim Brown © 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: xitter1224 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc: I wonder what people did back in the 40's, 50's and 60's? When there were no trains shows or the internet and no parts dealers. How many people did their own repairs or made their own parts as opposed to going to a service station? Anyone out there old enough to remember? ;) Bruce S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29761	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: K-Line Catalog

I noticed the new 2004 K-Line catalog has the message 'THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE DETAILS' on the front cover. This caught my attention as it is almost the same message that S-Helper has used for years 'THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE DETAIL'. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29762	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Back in 1957 I took my '51 302AC to my favorite shop in nearby Highland IN. This shop was operated out of the basement of the mans home where he sold and serviced American Flyer, Lionel, various HO, Benjamin and Daisy air guns and fishing equipment. Listed in the phone book as " Ted the Toy Train Technician " there was no sign at his home, you just had to know that it was there. You would walk up to the side door and buzz then wait for Ted's voice over the intercom to let you in, kind of like a "speakeasy" for kids, it was great. Maybe because the year before I had purchased the '56 Santa Fe Chief set from him, or maybe because I wasn't 10 years old yet but Ted only charged me for parts for train or air gun repairs. Turned out to be a good move as I always bought from him. Times were different, that is why we usually call them the "Good Ol' Days" Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29763	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/19/2004
Subject: train repairs etc

In the early '60s living in Anaheim, Calif. there was a hobby shop at Knott's Berry Farm that did repairs for me. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29764	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Bruce, I grew up in a Railroad town, of (then) about 5,000 people (now that the dismals have taken over, the town is about 2,000 people) and many, many miles from any large city. I think the nearest "authorized" repair station was a 5 hour drive away. Soooo..... What we did was write to the ACG company and request a service list for our engine (307). I think it cost two or three first class stamps (5 cents? I don't remember). Then, when it arrived, we would look over what parts we THOUGHT we needed, and order them, carefully taping the quarters, dimes and nickels to a 3x5 card so they wouldn't rattle around in the envelope that we would mail back to ACG. Some weeks later, the parts would arrive, and we would then repair our locomotive. I still have that locomotive! Oh, the guide book that helped us through the repairs was a little multi-page insert book in Popular Mechanics magazine--that and the ACG Flyer manual included with the train set. When we were really stumped, we did send it out to The Roundhouse in San Jose, and after a few months it came back (that's when I think we had a new boiler put on). Years later, I visited the roundhouse (now gone) WOW a train lover's paradise! (at least to a young teen). Well, that's how it was in my family! S' David D. PS somewhere I still have a copy of one of my orders to ACG, as they returned it with each item marked off that they shipped me. BTW, this long time habit of repairing my own Flyer is what started me into doing it for others, more as a service and a way to support my hobby (at least that's what I tell her!) Truth is, I just like fixin' it! I have, when I had time to go to the train shows, set up a diagnostic clinic, and even done "while you wait repairs--however, such repairs cannot include repairing loose drive wheels or other "surgery" requiring drilling, machining, special gluing, touch-up painting, etc. However, you can replace bad wire harnesses, reverse unit fingers, chassis cleaning (if you have power and a portable ultrasonic cleaner), lube jobs.But such repairs usually take at least an hour!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29765	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: train repairs etc

Dwight wrote: >In the early '60s living in Anaheim, Calif. there was a hobby shop at >Knott's Berry Farm that did repairs for me. I remember that wonderful place! Scurried straight to it whenever I could get Mom and Dad to go to Knott's. Also got many of my Matchbox cars and Aurora slot cars there. There was no admission charge for the park back then, but you could blow quite a few nickels getting the standard gauge trains to run around the main room of the train shop. Best thing was, you could go down the street to "Boot Hill" and watch the REAL 3' narrow gauge steam trains cross the trestle. I never took my train there, though. I never thought of my 303 Atlantic as being complex enough for a visit to a repair shop, as if it were a sewing machine or a TV set. Strange, I always assumed fixing the thing myself was required, as part of the "responsibility" of using it. Guess that isn't a universal principle after all. That building at Knott's now houses a candle shop. BOR-ring! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29766	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer

At 10:23 PM 2/19/04 -0500, you wrote: >My 30B dual transfomer does not shut power off completely when I turn >either terret to zero. I checked to see that the carbon rollers were not >resting on the windings when either terret is at zero. I would appreciate >any suggestions on possible cause and fix. >Thank You, >Bill Bill, The power should not go to zero. The low end goes down to 7 volts to keep the e-unit from cycling. Be good, D.D. (we got the power) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29767	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

At 07:26 PM 2/19/04 -0600, you wrote: >1,000 engines en total or 1,000 of a given road name? I would like to see >Santa Fe engines and perhaps sets because... > >I can see these cars being a starter set because the cost is low, I would >rather give the K-line product as a gift to future children because if Jeff >jr. busts his Santa Fe boxcar I will not be as upset (hmm, $20.00, fix or >replace) if jr. broke one of my SF hoppers from the pikemaster era (oh you >broke the car that great grandpa bought me in 1965). > >And besides, these are toys, there is no illusion of pure scale, you put >your oval of track down and play! > >Whom ever that rep is... Lets start working on him and all of the K-line >brass. We want our K-line S engines!! (ok, not as catchy as I want my mtv) > >Jeff Jeff, You make good points. The only thing I can say, this year's catalog prices are higher. For "S" the N.Y , Coke, and Heinz are all $5.00 higher than the others. The "O" items are higher too. Perhaps, they have higher costs that may have lead to their decision. But, the good news, they have expanded their "S" rolling stock..... Be good, D.D. ( keepin' the faith)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29768	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Engine

> > >Joe I was there with two other dealers. That's what we were told. I've described the rep in a previous post. Another rep, stand next to him, kept nodding his head in agreement. Now, if you've been told something different, or the rep made a mistake, I don't know. That's what we were told. The N.Y.P.D. and F.D.N.Y. box cars look nice too. I guess they're big on Heinz and Coca Cola. I picked up a few of the New York Central tankers. Be good, D.D. ( believin' the dream)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29769	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

At 10:26 PM 2/19/04 +0000, you wrote: >Dennis, > >Could you give me the name of that K-line rep? >I see lots more sales than the 1,000 if that engine was part of >train sets. K-line has the cars and track and that's all they need >to have good quality, but inexpensive train sets, something that we >have all wanted for a long long time. > >Thanks, >Roy Hoffman >NASG Pres. Roy, His name I do not remember. We were talking to him last week at the Fest in Edison N.J. We asked him specifically about the 1:58 scale Allegheny. I believe that was supposed to be released in "S" as well as "O". The "O" version is again in this year's catlog. He said specifically, that engine was not going to be produced in "S".. He further added, K-Line, at present, had no plans for any engine in "S". He explained, the manufacturer required an order of 1,000 minimum and the company did not believe it could make that goal. He said, if the minimum was reduced to 500 or so, there might be a chance. However, he gave a strong indication that was not going to happen. The best information I can give on this gentleman, he was thin, gray hair, pony tail and gold wire rim glasses. If you know the folks at K-Line, then that's the best lead I could give you. Be good, D.D. ( keep hope alive)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29770	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer

Hi Bill: To shut off electricity (the ~5-7 volts) when the turrets are turned to zero requires that one lift the handle so that contact between the handle and the turret is "lost". As they called it on the road, a "dead-mans" throttle. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Note: Sorry, didn't have Bill's e-mail address so I could have sent this just to him. I know that most of you know that you have to lift the handle to get to zero volts. Dennis Donovan wrote: >At 10:23 PM 2/19/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >>My 30B dual transfomer does not shut power off completely when I turn >>either terret to zero. I checked to see that the carbon rollers were not >>resting on the windings when either terret is at zero. I would appreciate >>any suggestions on possible cause and fix. >>Thank You, >>Bill >> >> > > >Bill, > The power should not go to zero. The low end goes down to 7 volts to >keep the e-unit from cycling. > >Be good, >D.D. (we got the power) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29771	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

Selected higher prices could be related to royalties. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29772	From: Don	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Off Scale Question

I have a question about HO scale. But I'm sure this question can pertain to any scale. A friend asked me to look at why there train is not running. What I have found out is that when you go to put the loco on the track. When I first make contact with the track the motor runs fine. But when the full weight of the loco in on the tracks. The motor stops. Acts like there is not enough power to move the full weight of the loco. Why? & is there any way to fix this. A little info about the set its a fairly new Bachmann China set. I'm not a big fan of HO to start with let alone Bachmann. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Don McLouth KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29773	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

At 11:22 AM 2/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >Selected higher prices could be related to royalties. > Jim Lyle Jim, That had crossed my mine. But, a 25% price increase seems excessive. I know the NYC P.D. and F.D. has a collectible value. But, is there a demand for Coca Cola and pickles? Oh well.................... Be good, D.D. ( you gotta believe) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29774	From: editor	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Allentown, PA "Spring Thaw" This Weekend!

Greetings Everyone! Great News! Your S/Sn3 Modeling Guide will be set up at the Allentown, PA "Spring Thaw" This Weekend! AND, we will have "only" fifty copies of the Volume 8 Issue 3 - Simon Parent Cover Issue with us to sell & distribute. If you are in the area and have a chance to come by, please do and you could be the very first subscriber in your neighborhood to have you very latest SMG! FIRST COME, FIRST GET. OK, enough marketing. We believe that if you enjoyed your "illusive" December issue, you're gonna love this one. But then, you decide for your self. We have only two more words to describe this very next issue: "More Color!" LAST MINUTE NOTE: I didn't think that we'd see this issue before tonight, but they were just delivered -- WOW! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ModelingGuide-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Please be Sure to Visit our Home Page at www.ModelingGuide.com for Subscriptions, Products & More!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29775	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Re: K-line...engines?

Isn't it supposed to be PICKLES and ICE CREAM???? Bob RCON7 > That had crossed my mine. But, a 25% price increase seems excessive. > I know the NYC P.D. and F.D. has a collectible value. But, is there a > demand for Coca Cola and pickles?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29776	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: RECTIFORMER

Anyone have/know the # for the tube for the Rectiformer? Thank you in advance, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 22, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29778	From: amflyers53	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: New Member

Hello to Everyone, I want to thank all those people that started and run S-Digest. I really enjoy the tech. info, web sites and pictures. It was 1999,(30yrs.) before getting my 1960 AF Arrow set operating again and joining Rocky Mtn. Hi-Railers (Boise,Id.). It's great to be operating trains again. I do have one question, is anyone an expert on the #583A mag. crane? I need to find a gear for mine. Thanks, Greg Bolton amflyers@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29779	From: William Lange	Date: 2/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] BK Truscale Turnouts

Thanks to all who responded! I was traveling again and it took me awhile to catch up on all the responses. The consensus seems to be that the BK's are tricky to setup, especially locating the pivot point and slow on delivery. Hand laying using the Fast Track templates are no more work than fooling with the BK's. Tom Stoltz is making some code 148 RTR #6's and planning on some code 125. There are a whole lot of folks, myself included, that wish Don Thompson could find room in the schedule to get the #5's rolling!! I do understand that Don has a lot on the table. I'm doing my part to help, I left a deposit on a 2-8-0 recently! IMHO, the lack of variety in RTR turnouts is near the top of the list of things holding the growth of 'S' back. Bill Lange > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lange [mailto:blange3@...] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:29 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] BK Truscale Turnouts > > > Has anyone on the list tried the BK Truscale Turnouts with S-Trax? > > The description on the BK website reads, "TRU-SCALE HI-SPEED > S SCALE TURNOUTS FOR HI-RAIL These are closed frog turnouts > for use on layouts where both scale and American Flyer > equipment are operated together." They are available in code > 125 and 148. I would expect the code 125 to match up with the S-Trax. > I'm hoping to put a new layout together with more scale > friendly curves and crossovers. > > Bill Lange > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29780	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Crane gear

<<<is anyone an expert on the #583A mag. crane? I need to find a gear for mine.>>> Assuming you mean the small pinion gear that is centered within a large flat steel gear, that is probably the most common defect in a non-operating E-M crane. The pinion gear is easily chewed up, making the unit inoperable. If you don't find one, check with us in about a month. We have that gear being made right now! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29781	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: AF Collector Magazine

On Ebay I saw a collection of 'The Collector' magazine. Haven't heard of this from 'The American Flyer Club'. What was it? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29782	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Rectiformer Tube Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2189

The Rectiformer tube was Sylvania type 1237. Some of these came out of the preservation archives in the past year, Fifty years after November 1953 date. At 06:30 AM 2/21/2004, you wrote: >Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:46:53 EST > From: anormal1@... >Subject: RECTIFORMER > >Anyone have/know the # for the tube for the Rectiformer? Thank you in >advance, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29783	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine

I joined the last year and the owner of the club, stopped the magazine due to health problems at the time. I don't think it is up and running again, and I don't what ever happen to the owner who had the health problems. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Collector Magazine > On Ebay I saw a collection of 'The Collector' magazine. Haven't > heard of this from 'The American Flyer Club'. What was it? > Dwight > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29784	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Atlanta GATS

Hello all, We went to the Atlanta GATS today and, for a change, there was plenty of AF. There were several tables with vintage AF, Flyonel and even some newly released items. Prices were about normal for the Atlanta area, not to many real deals to be seen. There was a table with a bunch of Flyonel at 40% off. There were probably some good deals there, but I had at least one of everything he had. I got a Crowns A&P box car that I didn't have and two s-scale city buses. The guy had a big supply of school buses and Deputies buses, but only two city buses left, so I got em. There were more operating layouts than usual and more sellers. The building was just about full to capacity. All in all the best GATS I've seen in several years here. If you're in the area on Sunday, it should be worth going. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29785	From: William Lange	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

Did anyone make it out there today, and if so how was it? I have to head out that way tomorrow and was planning on stopping by. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29786	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: WHISTLE CONTROL

Can anyone tell me if a 324AC's whistle will work with the cardboard vibrator type whistle control as well as the vacuum tube type that is made for it? Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29787	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

2/21/04 Hello Bill, I stopped by the Allentown show this morning, and I will do so again tomorrow. As always, it is a worthwhile event in my opinion. I saw the S Helper folks there today as well as the NASG. The S helper display inspired me to go to Home Depot for some more Styrofoam so that I can make some layout improvements. The show is larger this year for the Spring Thaw, thanks to the addition they put on the hall last year. I believe it is 450 + tables, but don't quote me on that. The admission is $5.00, which is not too bad; however, they don't have a combination deal if you go on both Saturday and Sunday. If you go both days, they hammer you twice. If you are in the area often, there are other really great shows (although smaller) that are less expensive and usually have better prices in my opinion. The two that come to mind are Gilbertsville Fire Company and Hamburg. Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29788	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

A great show today!! A huge crowd, nice weather, and a LOT of Flyer.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29789	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: 22 gauge superflex wire

Anyone hav a good scource for 22 gauge flex wire, 2or 4 conductor? Thanks, CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29790	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2004
Subject: Re: Rectiformer tube #

In a message dated 2/21/04 6:31:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:46:53 EST > From: anormal1@... > Subject: RECTIFORMER > > Anyone have/know the # for the tube for the Rectiformer? Thank you in > advance, Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > Mike: Gilbert called it a PA-10830 Sylvania type 1237 or X6089 Portlines sells the 1237. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29791	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: I picked up a sleeper on Ebay

Hi all of you that love S-Gage. Well I found a 25056 on ebay that was marked #37 ! Well there is no # 37 in the book, and I though that number was grass too. There was little bidding for it too. How's 165.00 for it. Then I asked the man if the other car was in the things that he had pland to sell. He said yes ,and he didn't know that they went together. I also told him the real number was 25056. This is what he said; make me an offer for the other car,and I did. They are now on there way to me. The total was 265.00 plus 12.00 for shipping. I also see there is one up for bid on Ebay now, and they want 300.00 for it. In the older book that I have it said "250.00 to 375.00" For you that do not know what this is, it is a yellow USM boxcar that has a rocket launcher that plugs in to each other. I also picked up a case of # 25 smoke caps still in the cardbord box from AC Gilbert. Just so you know one case has 442 caps in it. I think I have a life time supply now. I only paid 65.00 plus 10.00 shipping for it. What a week it was! Scott UVL97222

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29792	From: Ray Boemler	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: New guy looking for resources

First, I am not a train guy. :( Don't hate me. I am an artist who is seeking scale representatives for an upcoming series of steam powered models. So I am seeking 1/64th engine, stacks, drive pistons, etc. The market I am mostly looking for is the very early steam powered drive systems. Ok, so where do I start? I would appreciate any input. Ray Boemler www.peanutbutterjellyfish.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29793	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 22, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29794	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: To the Sunday Chat crowd

Hi All, I won't make it this week , unless it's real late, have to go to Chico to pick up some stuff for the house. The move IN is supposed to happen this week! Y'all have a great time, wish I could be there. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29795	From: Steven J Schwartz	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

Fred:\ Yeah, you were buying it all! Just kidding! Steve ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29796	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /S-Chat Transcripts/s-chat-2-22-04.txt Uploaded by : myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...> Description : S-Chat 2-22-04 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/s-chat-2-22-04.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29797	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: 945 Caboose Steps

Hi all! I just received a K5210W K335 set from the original owner's wife and the 945 caboose has no steps. I was told today by a Flyer collector that in the early 50s (1952ish) sometimes if the molds were produced with one or two flawed steps, the workers would pop off the other steps to make it look consistent. The workers would then paint the chassis. Most consider these factory errors but I hate to overuse that term as many others seem to do (but that's a different story). Can anyone confirm this? I have the entire boxed set in very deent shape so I was considering replacing the 945 but I'd rather keep it all orginal if the 945 is original. Photos can be found via this link: http://members.cox.net/nickstrains/k5210wAddl.shtml Thanks! Greg www.NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29798	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: z-stuff

Hi all, does anyone have any pictures of the z-stuff crossing gates on a layout? Alex Sibbald (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29799	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps

Greg asked: >I was told today by a Flyer collector that in the early 50s >(1952ish) sometimes if the molds were produced with one or two >flawed steps, the workers would pop off the other steps to make it >look consistent. The workers would then paint the chassis. <snip> >Can anyone confirm this? I have a grey diecast metal flat with the same "symptoms." In addition, the edges of the "fishbellies" in the side sills have been ground heavily with a grinder, as if somebody was trying to remove flash but wasn't exactly good at it. Can't see from the photos, but your 945 may have that characteristic as well. On mine, these flaws seem to be factory "installed," because the rough corners where the broken steps were broken away are completely covered with factory paint, as are the over-ground side sill edges. If the flaws on your 945 are like that, they are probably factory flaws. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29800	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps

Greg, I would agree with Jay's posting. After looking at the "underside" pic you posted, the grey paint appears to be everywhere, so the lost steps were lost before the factory painted it. You're OK with it in your set. Boy , sure does look like a clean set! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29801	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: phasing transformers

Another explanation of phasing, this time in regards to Lionel transformers but still helpful, can be found at: http://www.martye.com/TipsandTricks/TipsandTrick2.htm Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29802	From: editor	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

<SNIP> Hello Bill, I stopped by the Allentown show this morning, and I will do so again tomorrow. As always, it . . . We were there with the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide and gave out 15 issues to SMG subscribers. Pretty good show! We signed up & PAID for two tables next year. We'll use one table for modeling demonstrations. We're trying to get back in for this Fall. Anyone got connections? Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29803	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Allentown PA "Spring Thaw"

Steve; thats a funny one!! Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29804	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Black engine paint

Hi Everyone1 Please accept my apologies up front for this. Searched the archives first and came up with royal blue paint but nothing on black, so,once more, can someone give me an idea as to what paint to use to repaint a bead blasted engine. I remember somebody talking about Krylon, but that'ss all I remember. Reply off line if you like.CBtrainnut1@... Thanks, CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29805	From: BluePrince	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Black engine paint

Yes Krylon or Plasticote Flat Black We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Black engine paint > Hi Everyone1 > Please accept my apologies up front for this. Searched the archives first > and came up with royal blue paint but nothing on black, so,once more, can > someone give me an idea as to what paint to use to repaint a bead blasted engine. I > remember somebody talking about Krylon, but that'ss all I remember. Reply off > line if you like.CBtrainnut1@... > Thanks, CB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29806	From: Tom Young	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Black engine paint

Chris, go back in archives to Jan 25, 2003. There's several messages about Krylon 1613 black from our member's ............Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29807	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: VERY RARE

This computer related note is forwarded by one your moderators because it is about Yahoo, which hosts our e-mail groups. Any questions, please reply off-list. Ted Larson -------- Original Message -------- List Members: Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what you're doing and where you are going - similar to cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html About half-way down the page, in the section "Outside the Yahoo! Network", you'll see a little "click here" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the "Success" message the top the next page. Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will undo the opt-out. Feel free to forward this to other groups. Notice that you must do this from EACH COMPUTER that you wish this selection to apply to.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29808	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: K-Line Flat Car

I got the new K-Line flat car. See pictures at http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun29 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29809	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: Black engine paint

CB, I had excellent results on a 293 engine using Krylon Semi-flat #1613 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Black engine paint > Hi Everyone1 > Please accept my apologies up front for this. Searched the archives first > and came up with royal blue paint but nothing on black, so,once more, can > someone give me an idea as to what paint to use to repaint a bead blasted engine. I > remember somebody talking about Krylon, but that'ss all I remember. Reply off > line if you like.CBtrainnut1@... > Thanks, CB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29810	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Link Passenger Springs

Are the springs for the aluminium passenger link couplers available? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29811	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Black engine paint

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29812	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: green 21424 B&M gondola

while going through My 50 yr. accumulation A F stuff I have found an as yet unexplained variation ? of this usually blue car, This one is a dark unpainted green. So far no price guides say anything about a green B&M 24124 only some variations of blue, Any ideas ??? Thanks Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29813	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine

I was a member too & I thought that stopping the publication for the AFCC (American Flyer Collectors Club ) Was to be temporary & now seems more permenant. The publisher also ran a hobby shop in the Pittsburgh area by the name of Ironhorse Hobbys. & I think it is still open

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29814	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Re: 945 Caboose Steps

In a message dated 02/23/2004 7:23:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, trainspeak@... writes: Hi all! I just received a K5210W K335 set from the original owner's wife and the 945 caboose has no steps. I was told today by a Flyer collector that in the early 50s (1952ish) sometimes if the molds were produced with one or two flawed steps, the workers would pop off the other steps to make it look consistent. The workers would then paint the chassis. Most consider these factory errors but I hate to overuse that term as many others seem to do (but that's a different story). Can anyone confirm this? I have the entire boxed set in very deent shape Doesn't make any sense to me other than a factory reject that an employee took home and it found it's way into the stream over the years. Every one I have ever seen had steps with an occasional one broken off here and there. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29815	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 2/23/2004
Subject: Decal removal update

Greetings to all! My thanks for all the thoughts on decal removal. I have discovered another method to add to list list of posted suggestions. Covering the remanents of the decal with a piece of transparent/Scotch tape and then gently lifting the tape, brings the "decal" off the surface. This did not harm the surface and the surface cleaned up well with a "gentle" soap bath. This worked so well, on this engine, that if you are replacing decals I suggest taking some measurements first. I let enthusiasm get in the way ... fortunately there is another side. Again, thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29816	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Engine paint

Thank you to all who replied ! We are painting one tonight! Chris B. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29817	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF Collector Magazine

yes, your right the hobby shop out side of pittsburgh is still open, i think the owner is getting up in years and the magizine was just to much for him,,,,wonder if we have any publishers in this group............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Collector Magazine > I was a member too & I thought that stopping the publication for the > AFCC > (American Flyer Collectors Club ) Was to be temporary & now seems > more permenant. The publisher also ran a hobby shop in the Pittsburgh > area by the name of Ironhorse Hobbys. & I think it is still open > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29818	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Speaking of the AFCC

Is this AFCC,"American Flyer Collectors Club" still around and open to new members? I have not heard or seen anything about it. Any info would be nice. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of the AFCC

That is the same group, John, that the owner founded and then stopped due to his health. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Speaking of the AFCC > Is this AFCC,"American Flyer Collectors Club" still around and open > to new members? I have not heard or seen anything about it. Any info > would be nice. Thanks,John B. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29820	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Link Passenger Springs

--- dwightlehnhoff <dlehnhoff@...> wrote: > Are the springs for the aluminium passenger link > couplers available? > Dwight > Part # PA11589 in stock $2.00 a pair Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29821	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Green 24124 Gondola

--- roninscho9 <ronnat@...> wrote: > while going through My 50 yr. accumulation A F stuff > I have found an > as yet unexplained variation ? of this usually blue > car, This one is > a dark unpainted green. So far no price guides say > anything about a > green B&M 24124 only some variations of blue, Any > ideas ??? Thanks Ron > A green 24124 has been known to frequent the Gilbert Get-Together during York Week. I can count instances of about 5 of those I sold at Stout's (2 years ago????) I can try and dig out the Sale price tonight. regards...... Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29822	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Complete K335 Freight Set to be listed tonight

Hi! For those interested, I have scheduled my K335 K5210W set to begin on ebay tonight (Tuesday) at 6:15pm. The item number is 3177929754. It's a 5 day auction so it'll end on Saturday at 6:15pm Pacific time. The link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3177929754 Check it out. Thanks much! Greg Nicholas PS. thanks to those folks who helped with the 945 step questions. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29823	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: AFCC

To those who inquire about the AFCC and it's publication. The person who edited that magazine was Frank Hare who does have or had a shop in Upper St. Clair, PA. The reason he discontinued the club and the magazine was because he was losing his eyesite and could no longer continue with the publishing it. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29824	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: wealth

HUGE wealth of photos here; http://www.northeast.railfan.net/industrial.html -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29825	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Set Box

I am wondering if anyone has or knows of a 5004 set box for sale.I have a real nice set and am in need of the set box. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29826	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/24/2004
Subject: Re: Green 24124 Gondola

The green color of this car is a lot like that of the later T & P gondola , so it very well could have been that they needed blue carbodys & did not have any so they printed B&M on the green ones. I have had this car for at least 20 yrs. & don't have any idea where I did get it.Thanks to all that gave info on this . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29827	From: steve	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Stripped screw hole on my deisel truck help!

Sorry for the lack of some technicle terms but, here goes. Some of the screw holes on my truck assembley are stripped. The part in question is where the little bronze piece sits over the bronze ball on the armature. the piece is rectangular and flat with a rounded bulg in the middle. On either side is a place for the screws. on one side sits the brush assembley. with the holes stripped I cant get the little flat bronze piece to hold down the little ball tight enough. Hope this acurately describes the area. Is there a solution to these holes being stripped? I have a couple of these in similar condition. thanks again, Steve Also Thanks to Carl for the B-day Present!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29828	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: 290 problem

I purchased this engine as is, I rewired it, oil & lubed, took out the motor, cleaned it. It still does not run. When I apply current to the motor, it jerks like it wants to run but won't. I also cleaned the E unit and that turns great, Any help jackotrains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29829	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: 646 Search Light Car

I recently acquired a #646 Search Light with the depressed center flat car. However, the light does not work. Was there a felt washer to insulate the trucks? If so it is missing. Should that be the case, how does a person go about replacing this? Any advise would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29830	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: Do you think everyone that posts to the S-Trains list should include their name? o No o Yes, First and Last and their home State o Yes, First and Last o Yes, First and Last Initial (ie. Paul Y.) o Yes, At least their First name. o It does not matter to me. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1182159 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29831	From: pmcelroy	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

o It does not matter to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > Do you think everyone that posts to > the S-Trains list should include their > name? > > o No > o Yes, First and Last and their home State > o Yes, First and Last > o Yes, First and Last Initial (ie. Paul Y.) > o Yes, At least their First name. > o It does not matter to me. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1182159 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29832	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Ebay Item

The final price on ebay item 3178129385 should be interesting. I have not been successful in the the past pasting the link but I'll put it below anyhow. Lou Baldi http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3178129385&category=480#ebayphotohosting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29833	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Website update

Hi All, I just updated my website to include another steam engine I just completed. Please give it a look. I have added a S Scale PRR M1a. It is my best weathering job on a steam engine so far. I have been staring at it wishing it were mine I am so pleased with it. But I will be doing a run of my own steam engines before the spring. I will post photos of them as well. I realize my website is a little slow in loading for dial up users. Please give it time to completely load. I will be making some revisions to help out with that soon. Thank You, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29834	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: diesel truck screws

Just use the same size screw only slightly longer. The hole in the truck is deep enough to accept one. Don >Message: 10 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:00:28 -0000 From: "steve" <bullwinkl.geo@...> >Subject: Stripped screw hole on my diesel truck help! >Sorry for the lack of some technical terms but, here goes. >Some of the screw holes on my truck assembly are stripped. >The part in question is where the little bronze piece sits over the >bronze ball on the armature. the piece is rectangular and flat with a >rounded bulge in the middle. On either side is a place for the screws. >on one side sits the brush assembly. with the holes stripped I cant >get the little flat bronze piece to hold down the little ball tight >enough. Hope this accurately describes the area. Is there a solution >to these holes being stripped? >I have a couple of these in similar condition. >thanks again, >Steve >Also >Thanks to Carl for the B-day Present!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29835	From: waldootten	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

595 Talking Tool Shed I've looked in all of my price guides and this item isn't even listed. What year was this made? Maybe it is pre-war? Anyone have an idea what it might be worth? (I guess we'll find out in a week or so!) Phil K ******************************************************************* > The final price on ebay item 3178129385 should be interesting. I have > not been successful in the the past pasting the link but I'll put it > below anyhow. > Lou Baldi > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3178129385

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

In a message dated 02/25/2004 6:18:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Yes, First and Last Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29837	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Green 24124 Gondola

What Info? Unless this is it. I guess there were a lot of off list replies, but the rest of us may be interested too, which is a good reason to reply to the list. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Green 24124 Gondola > The green color of this car is a lot like that of the later T & P > gondola , so it very well could have been that they needed blue > carbodys & did not have any so they printed B&M on the green ones. I > have had this car for at least 20 yrs. & don't have any idea where I > did get it.Thanks to all that gave info on this . Ron > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29838	From: doug	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

That's a prewar Talking Tool Shed, so it won't be in your price guide. It IS an unusual piece, but not as "rare" as the posting wants to make it. I've seen several, and have one myself. <<< Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:13:04 -0000 From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed 595 Talking Tool Shed I've looked in all of my price guides and this item isn't even listed. What year was this made? Maybe it is pre-war? Anyone have an idea what it might be worth? (I guess we'll find out in a week or so!) Phil K>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29839	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: ThankS to everyone for the tran plans

I just want to give my thanks to everyone who emailed me! Much thanks to you Barb, you were a big help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29840	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: New Hobby Shop

We just added a new "S" Friendly hobby shop here in New Jersey. The name is "The Hobby Shop" and it is located at 1077C State Hwy 34 in Aberdeen Townsquare Shopping Center, Aberdeen, NJ 07747. Their website is www.hobbyshopnj.com and e-mail address is sales@.... Phone number is 732-583-0505. We feel this is a very special addition to "S" scale as this hobby shop was voted "America''s No. 1 Hobby Shop". We hope all of our local customers will help with a visit and support our latest addition. When at The Hobby Shop, be sure to ask about the "Neighbors for Education" discount card. They cost $6 which is donated to the local school and 18 stores give discounts when the card is presented. Robin and I thought this was a pretty nice idea.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29841	From: xitter1224	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

What about a photo I.D.? ;) Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > Do you think everyone that posts to > the S-Trains list should include their > name? > > o No > o Yes, First and Last and their home State > o Yes, First and Last > o Yes, First and Last Initial (ie. Paul Y.) > o Yes, At least their First name. > o It does not matter to me. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1182159 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29842	From: firex43	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Reluctant E-Unit, Voltmeters & AFCC

Hello, Thanks to the members of this group that posted info on placing a piece of foam rubber under the plate of a reluctant E-Unit to help it cycle properly; this solved one problem. Another question that I have deals with the voltmeters as found on a 30B transformer; I have one meter that will show increased voltage but won't return to zero without tapping the meter; any ideas on freeing the meter up would be greatly appreciated. Last but not least, with the several posts recently regarding the AFCC and editor Frank Hare. Yes, Frank had vision problems that required surgery that did not have the desired effect; this is why the AFCC is on hiatus. What about publishing The Collector online? Any info will be greatly appreciated. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29843	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Jones and Laughlin tank car

Hi All, I just did a Google search to see if I could come up with a photo of the alternative scheme for the Jones and Laughlin tank car that the decal set provides for. I did not find one, but for those who emailed me a month or so ago asking me about my car, the search did yield something else. Des Plaines Hobbies http://www.desplaineshobbies.com lists one for sale. So for the first one who is interested, you can see if they still have it, and bring it on home! Unfortunately for me it shows as being painted. (:-( For everyone who sent me your car, it is painted and getting decaled starting today. Thank You, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29844	From: doug	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

It's real.....it was a Gilbert item in their O-gauge line prior to WWII. It does not contain the same record as was used after the war (in S). The prewar record is identified by an "AKOOSTIKIN" label on it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: uvl97222 [mailto:uvl97222@...] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:28 PM To: doug@... Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed Hi all of you, I need to ask why did they not use the carbord tube is it that it would not fit inside? This looks to me to be some ones Idea, and not some thing from AC Gilbert. A train is not going to pull up to a tool shed the same way they pull up to a station to let people out. Is this for real is what I am saying? Scott Uvl97222 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug" <doug@p...> wrote: > That's a prewar Talking Tool Shed, so it won't be in your price guide. > It IS an unusual piece, but not as "rare" as the posting wants to make it. > I've seen several, and have one myself. > > > <<< Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:13:04 -0000 > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> > Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed > > 595 Talking Tool Shed > > I've looked in all of my price guides and this item isn't even > listed. What year was this made? Maybe it is pre-war? Anyone have an > idea what it might be worth? (I guess we'll find out in a week or > so!) > > Phil K>>> > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@p... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29845	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

Okay, so what does a talking tool shed say? Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29846	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

What does a Talking tool shed SAY...Hummmmmmmm Take a SPADE to lunch .... for a RAKE of Lamb... at the local MAUL... where you can SHOVEL it in ... dont AXE for the bill.... its AUL on me ... HOE >>HOE >>HOE Let us not forget that it is NOT a TOOLSHED ....but was referred to as a Talking Station ..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29847	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

"This is going to hurt you more than me, son" Oh wait, wrong tool shed. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29848	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/26/2004
Subject: Re: Reluctant E-Unit, Voltmeters & AFCC

Hi John! About the 30B volt meters, I had one that did the same thing. All I did was remove the glass retainer and straighten out the silver cardboard insert that shows the voltage increments. It appears to have warped by moisture or lack there of.(?) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <JKFirex43@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reluctant E-Unit, Voltmeters & AFCC > Hello, > Thanks to the members of this group that posted info on placing a > piece of foam rubber under the plate of a reluctant E-Unit to help it > cycle properly; this solved one problem. Another question that I have > deals with the voltmeters as found on a 30B transformer; I have one > meter that will show increased voltage but won't return to zero > without tapping the meter; any ideas on freeing the meter up would be > greatly appreciated. Last but not least, with the several posts > recently regarding the AFCC and editor Frank Hare. Yes, Frank had > vision problems that required surgery that did not have the desired > effect; this is why the AFCC is on hiatus. What about publishing The > Collector online? Any info will be greatly appreciated. > John Keating > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29849	From: doug	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

Good one, Dave! <<G>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:41 AM To: doug@...; 'uvl97222'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; mlmarmer Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed "This is going to hurt you more than me, son" Oh wait, wrong tool shed. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29850	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: group membership

I'm sure this has been gone over before, but when I try to access the S-Trains poll, Yahoo tells me I'm not a member. How do I get there form here? Thanks, Tom Stoltz MSG NASG TCA From: S-Trains Subject: New poll for S-Trains To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1182159 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29851	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed

Not politically correct today! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <doug@...>; "'uvl97222'" <uvl97222@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Ebay Item 595 talking tool shed > "This is going to hurt you more than me, son" > Oh wait, wrong tool shed. > S' > David D. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29852	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Subscriber vs Group Member

Anyone can subscribe to a Yahoo Group, you don't need a Yahoo ID to do that. But if you want to have full access to the Yahoo Group site you must have a yahoo ID, and identify yourself to the site. I know some folks don't want to share any more info, and thats cool with me. I don't encourage anyone to do anything that they are not comfortable with. If you need assistance with your membership, please contact me off-list. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29853	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Naval (Navel?) Help Needed

I am certain that I recently (within the past three months) saw an article dealing with center-board paddle-wheeled boats. Alas, age, alcohol, debauchery, and the abundance of magazines have taken away my keen ability to recall exactly where the article appeared. Any help for an old person here? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29854	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: S Helper Christmas 2004

This year's Christmas offerings from S Helper will be a MEC SW-9 which will come in the green and gold pine tree logo scheme (same as MEC F-3). The engineer and fireman will be Santa's helpers. Also, a wreath will be on the front grill. S Helper is also making the Christmas caboose available for those who missed out on the first run. The caboose is the current MEC scheme III and they will add the original Santa and Ms. Claus. The caboose is limited and only available to those who purchase the 2004 MEC Christmas SW-9. The price for the engine without sound #01502 will be $199.95 (289.95 with sound #01504). For the engine and caboose #01505 the total will be $269.95 (#01506 will be $359.95 and include sound in the SW-9). Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29855	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: I need to eat my words!

Hi all, I have a long time friend who has been in, and out of "S" & "O" you name it he has had it at one time or an other. Well he said that that tool shed is the real thing, and he seen it on Ebay when it came up last time. He did say it was a rare piece, and that he has only run in to it two times over the years. I think My friend would be a big help when it comes to some of the older pieces. He was in to key wind AF too. I am going to ask him to come be a member. I hope that cool with ever one here. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29856	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: PRR X29 in S

Hi All, While you are waiting for me to make the long awaited start of production announcement about my X29 project, which is coming VERY soon, on line friend Ben Hom is wondering what you all have done to make a X29 in S from other sources. He needs it for an upcoming issue of the PRR T&HS cyber Modeling magazine "The Keystone Modeler". http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm Please email Ben b.hom@... with photos that are at least .5 MB and a brief description of how you got there. American Flyer conversions and repaints are acceptable for submission. Thank You, Bill Lane http://www.lanestrains.com http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29857	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 29, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29858	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Re: 595 talking tool shed - Link to catalog page

Here is a link to the 1941 Gilbert catalog that shows the talking tool shed. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1941Catalog/AF_1941_catalog_page40.htm Enjoy... Chuck http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29859	From: LeRoy Price	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas 2004

Any idea when that would available to order? LeRoy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29860	From: john.kernan@kodak.com	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: A few AF cars for sale

All, I wish to sell the following AF cars I have acquired: #48205 NASG 1997 PFE Reefer @ $55.00 #48482 TCA 1993 GN Boxcar @ $75.00 #175883 TTCS 1983 NYC Pacemaker Boxcar @ $175.00 All are new in OB. Please contact me offline if interested. Thanks, John Kernan john.kernan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale

This chat about the 595 and all... anyone have a good running display of the PreWar O scale open to the public? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29862	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Catalog.....

......ok, have I been sleeping?? Or have I ignored, or forgotten chit-chat here on the list pertaining to NEW AF goodies for 2004???? I just came back from the train store with the new 2004 Lionel catalog.....I was pretty amazed at what I saw! Operating Stockyard, Handcar and Shed, Piggyback Unloader,.....Not sure I've seen ads for these......or, just forgetting that I have!!!! Oh man!!! Just saw the "Nesquick" Tank Car!!! I gotta have one!!! What other 'treasures' might I find?? I better get off the computer and check it out!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29863	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: "Nesquick" Tank Car

**(((Oh man!!! Just saw the "Nesquick" Tank Car!!! I gotta have one!!!)))** And I had better order up some SHS trucks/couplers for this thing!!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29864	From: John A Foley	Date: 2/28/2004
Subject: Greenberg's Train Show Timonium Md

Hi Folks The NASG Switching layout will be setup at Greenberg's Timonium Train Show on March 20th & 21st If you would like to give a hand stop by. I'll be setting up on Fri. the 19th at 2:00 PM. The show runs 10-4pm both Saturday & Sunday. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29865	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: "Nesquick" Tank Car

**(((The tank car is on Flyonel "S" trucks.)))** Cool......I hope it is!!! :^) Not as nice as SHS,.....but better then 'O' gauge trucks!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29866	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re:

Michael: I have an quite a bit of "O" gauge Pre war American Flyer that I run on the Rocky Mountain TCA module, It draws a lot of attention. My home layout is open to all visitors, small groups only, my train room 13' x 30" will accommodate only about 4 people at a time, all the flyer you would like to see ( + ) some other off brand three rail. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29867	From: John G	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Roundhouse column / S Gaugian

I would like to thank Tom Jarcho for listing an index of prior Roundhouse columns in the new March/April 2004 issue of S Gaugian. This got me to thinking that it would be nice if all these past Roundhouse repair columns could be published in one book or CD-ROM for easy reference. The repair columns have been invaluable to me in learning about Flyer. So much so, that I've even taken up a second collecting hobby – find back issues of the S Gaugian! So, do the rest of you think that this would be a good idea? If we get a good response, we can forward this message thread to Don Heimburger, the publisher of S Gaugian. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29868	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Roundhouse column

Yes on CD rom Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29869	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Roundhouse column / S Gaugian

I think a cd-rom would be great! Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" <NotColdEnough@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Roundhouse column / S Gaugian I would like to thank Tom Jarcho for listing an index of prior Roundhouse columns in the new March/April 2004 issue of S Gaugian. This got me to thinking that it would be nice if all these past Roundhouse repair columns could be published in one book or CD-ROM for easy reference. The repair columns have been invaluable to me in learning about Flyer. So much so, that I've even taken up a second collecting hobby - find back issues of the S Gaugian! So, do the rest of you think that this would be a good idea? If we get a good response, we can forward this message thread to Don Heimburger, the publisher of S Gaugian. John Gasal S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29870	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE

HI,anyone interested in some plasticville,boxed and loose,have lots for sale,contact me off list lglumac@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, February 29, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Chat tonight

To allllllllll of my chat friends.....I won't be able to make it tonight.....have fun anyway.... ...I'm sure you will!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29872	From: john crotty	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!

the catalog picture doesn't establish fact! wether the talking tool shed actually was sold in stores is a viable question. note the ww2 was on just after the catalog was put out . When was the first talking tool shed made? was it at all made?And was the record made as the plastic of then was a war rationed item! LETS hear what you guys got to show it did come out in 1941 onto the store shelves'!MAKE ME EAT MY WORDS? john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: HI SCott, Doug Peck owner of portline hobbys in Massachusetts says to us -he owns a ORiginal one of those talking tool sheds-! As Doug is" head over heels in the repro /bogus American Flyer" stuff his credibility is questionable ! Your friends knowledge to clarify this issue should be greatly appreciated. I regard repro to be worthless.and diminishing the hobby 's public appeal. uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: Hi all, I have a long time friend who has been in, and out of "S" & "O" you name it he has had it at one time or an other. Well he said that that tool shed is the real thing, and he seen it on Ebay when it came up last time. He did say it was a rare piece, and that he has only run in to it two times over the years. I think My friend would be a big help when it comes to some of the older pieces. He was in to key wind AF too. I am going to ask him to come be a member. I hope that cool with ever one here. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29873	From: john crotty	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: trains for sale

MUST SELL due to VIP REASONS. ANY interest to buy . please send sase to me --J. WALSH 300 PARK TERRACE . STONEHAM MA. 02180 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29874	From: Bruce	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale

One of our local TCA guys has a nice selection of AF pre-war. He only repairs "L" so he had me get his AF O gauge cleaned up and running. I repainted a few cars that were really bad. It all looks and runs good. Bruce W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > This chat about the 595 and all... anyone have a good running display of the > PreWar O scale open to the public? > > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29875	From: afjeff_56	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Smokey Bear Tanker

Hello All; To anyone who might be interested! Don't know if any of you are aware of the S-Gauge Smokey Bear/USDA Forest Service Water Tank Car that The National Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) is offering to be made by the Lionel Co. IMHO - It looks like It will be a nice addition to the Fly-lionel (S-Gauge) You do not have to be a member to purchase this offering !!! Go to the WWW.ttos.org home page, click on Products and View the Car...... http://www.ttos.org/products.htm The ordering deadline is March 1. But I believe they will take your order up till March 4 or 5 . Also, they have a Paypal link to the site. It was very easy to order mine... <afjeff56> Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29876	From: keefer1	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!

To question a man's credibility because he makes and sells repro parts is moronic.Has Doug ever lied to you about the type parts he sells?Has he ever sold you a repro and claimed it be original?I would like to thank Doug and the rest of the parts guy that keep my Flyer running! Keith --- john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: > the catalog picture doesn't establish fact! wether > the talking tool shed actually was sold in stores > is a viable question. note the ww2 was on just > after the catalog was put out . When was the first > talking tool shed made? was it at all made?And was > the record made as the plastic of then was a war > rationed item! LETS hear what you guys got to show > it did come out in 1941 onto the store shelves'!MAKE > ME EAT MY WORDS? > > john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: > HI SCott, Doug Peck owner of portline hobbys > in Massachusetts says to us -he owns a ORiginal one > of those talking tool sheds-! As Doug is" head over > heels in the repro /bogus American Flyer" stuff his > credibility is questionable ! Your friends > knowledge to clarify this issue should be greatly > appreciated. I regard repro to be worthless.and > diminishing the hobby 's public appeal. > > uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: Hi all, I have > a long time friend who has been in, and out of "S" & > "O" you > name it he has had it at one time or an other. Well > he said that that tool shed > is the real thing, and he seen it on Ebay when it > came up last time. He did say > it was a rare piece, and that he has only run in to > it two times over the years. > I think My friend would be a big help when it comes > to some of the older > pieces. He was in to key wind AF too. I am going to > ask him to come be a > member. I hope that cool with ever one here. > Scott > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29877	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!

Bogus American Flyer "stuff?" You Sir need to offer an apology, not only to Doug Peck, but the entire list for coming off like that. I have bought a lot of "stuff" from Mr. Peck and will continue to do so in the future. I have not once seen Mr. Peck deal in any "stuff" and try to rip someone off. I too would like to thank him and all of the parts dealers that frequent here for offering the "stuff" they do to keep our trains running like magic. I think you should look at your own credibility before you go judging anyone elses and spewing falsehoods. I wonder in fact if you are the same man who emailed me privately one time chastising me for saying I bought parts from Doug. Gene ________________________________ From: keefer1 [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Sun 2/29/2004 6:20 PM To: polpolk9@... Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I need to eat my words! To question a man's credibility because he makes and sells repro parts is moronic.Has Doug ever lied to you about the type parts he sells?Has he ever sold you a repro and claimed it be original?I would like to thank Doug and the rest of the parts guy that keep my Flyer running! Keith --- john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: > the catalog picture doesn't establish fact! wether > the talking tool shed actually was sold in stores > is a viable question. note the ww2 was on just > after the catalog was put out . When was the first > talking tool shed made? was it at all made?And was > the record made as the plastic of then was a war > rationed item! LETS hear what you guys got to show > it did come out in 1941 onto the store shelves'!MAKE > ME EAT MY WORDS? > > john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: > HI SCott, Doug Peck owner of portline hobbys > in Massachusetts says to us -he owns a ORiginal one > of those talking tool sheds-! As Doug is" head over > heels in the repro /bogus American Flyer" stuff his > credibility is questionable ! Your friends > knowledge to clarify this issue should be greatly > appreciated. I regard repro to be worthless.and > diminishing the hobby 's public appeal. > > uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: Hi all, I have > a long time friend who has been in, and out of "S" & > "O" you > name it he has had it at one time or an other. Well > he said that that tool shed > is the real thing, and he seen it on Ebay when it > came up last time. He did say > it was a rare piece, and that he has only run in to > it two times over the years. > I think My friend would be a big help when it comes > to some of the older > pieces. He was in to key wind AF too. I am going to > ask him to come be a > member. I hope that cool with ever one here. > Scott > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29878	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 29, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29879	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!

I am not happy with the way some people are talking about dealers that sell repo parts.We are not perfect and some times might make a mistake,but all of the dealers I work with and know are honest and don't try to deceive.I feel they are putting me in to a group that for the most part does not exsist.I make and sell plasticville parts,mabey I have made a mistake in some information,but everyone has made a mistake now and then.If they say they haven't they are lieing.The only problem I have a lot is spelling. Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS) "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> wrote:Bogus American Flyer "stuff?" You Sir need to offer an apology, not only to Doug Peck, but the entire list for coming off like that. I have bought a lot of "stuff" from Mr. Peck and will continue to do so in the future. I have not once seen Mr. Peck deal in any "stuff" and try to rip someone off. I too would like to thank him and all of the parts dealers that frequent here for offering the "stuff" they do to keep our trains running like magic. I think you should look at your own credibility before you go judging anyone elses and spewing falsehoods. I wonder in fact if you are the same man who emailed me privately one time chastising me for saying I bought parts from Doug. Gene ________________________________ From: keefer1 [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Sun 2/29/2004 6:20 PM To: polpolk9@... Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I need to eat my words! To question a man's credibility because he makes and sells repro parts is moronic.Has Doug ever lied to you about the type parts he sells?Has he ever sold you a repro and claimed it be original?I would like to thank Doug and the rest of the parts guy that keep my Flyer running! Keith --- john crotty wrote: > the catalog picture doesn't establish fact! wether > the talking tool shed actually was sold in stores > is a viable question. note the ww2 was on just > after the catalog was put out . When was the first > talking tool shed made? was it at all made?And was > the record made as the plastic of then was a war > rationed item! LETS hear what you guys got to show > it did come out in 1941 onto the store shelves'!MAKE > ME EAT MY WORDS? > > john crotty wrote: > HI SCott, Doug Peck owner of portline hobbys > in Massachusetts says to us -he owns a ORiginal one > of those talking tool sheds-! As Doug is" head over > heels in the repro /bogus American Flyer" stuff his > credibility is questionable ! Your friends > knowledge to clarify this issue should be greatly > appreciated. I regard repro to be worthless.and > diminishing the hobby 's public appeal. > > uvl97222 wrote: Hi all, I have > a long time friend who has been in, and out of "S" & > "O" you > name it he has had it at one time or an other. Well > he said that that tool shed > is the real thing, and he seen it on Ebay when it > came up last time. He did say > it was a rare piece, and that he has only run in to > it two times over the years. > I think My friend would be a big help when it comes > to some of the older > pieces. He was in to key wind AF too. I am going to > ask him to come be a > member. I hope that cool with ever one here. > Scott > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29880	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Talking Tool Shed

Please note, the Talking tool shed was listed in 1939, 1940 and 1941 catalogs. How many were sold, I have no idea, but it was not a new for 1941 item, so some of them should have gotten to dealers before the war restrictions came in. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29881	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Bogus Stuff......

You know I don't need to apologys to any of you . I did not start this up some one else started it up. I would say you need to read just what I said, and just take it for how I intended it to be, You pompous ...... Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29882	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Bogus Stuff......

would all you kids please behave ----- Original Message ----- From: "uvl97222" <uvl97222@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bogus Stuff...... > You know I don't need to apologys to any of you . I did not start this up some > one else started it up. I would say you need to read just what I said, and just > take it for how I intended it to be, You pompous ...... > Scott > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29883	From: Bruce	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of PreWar AF O Scale

I was called to the dinner table (tuna lasagna - one of my favorites) and didn't get to complete my thoughts. Here's the rest. He usually sets up a simple 2 or 3 concentric loop O gauge ~10'x20' portable layout with backdrops in the center and various buildings and vehicles scattered around at the local train shows. He takes turns with different brands of trains, sometimes old Marx, sometimes modern Lionel/Weaver/MTH, sometimes old Lionel, and sometimes American Flyer Pre-war. When I watch his Flyer run I'm as proud of it as if it were my own, since I did a lot of work on it. He picked up some of it from TCA shows and the some from ebay. It has been great to work on and see the S gauge heritage. Bruce W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <willisbd@y...> wrote: > One of our local TCA guys has a nice selection of AF pre-war. He > only repairs "L" so he had me get his AF O gauge cleaned up and > running. I repainted a few cars that were really bad. It all > looks and runs good. Bruce W. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> > wrote: > > This chat about the 595 and all... anyone have a good running > display of the > > PreWar O scale open to the public? > > > > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29884	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??

I have uploaded a photo my wife took of a big bird in our backyard in Atlanta this week during a rare snow fall. Perhaps someone can identify what he is. All the squirrels and rabbits ran for cover just before he arrived! The photo is located at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?page=1 Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29885	From: firex43	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Wanted: Original PM Trucks With Couplers

Hello, I'm searching for several (minimum 2 maximum 6) AF PM trucks with couplers for restoration work. Please respond off-list. Thanks in advance, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29886	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2004
Subject: Re: I need to eat my words!

In a message dated 02/29/2004 4:20:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, keefer1_us@... writes: john crotty <polpolk9@...> wrote: HI SCott, Doug Peck owner of portline hobbys in Massachusetts says to us -he owns a ORiginal one of those talking tool sheds-! As Doug is" head over heels in the repro /bogus American Flyer" stuff his credibility is questionable ! Your friends knowledge to clarify this issue should be greatly appreciated. I regard repro to be worthless.and diminishing the hobby 's public appeal. This is absured, and hardly worthy of comment. If it weren't for "repro" parts many a 50+ yr. old Flyer piece would go un-repaired and inoperable. Doug Peck would NEVER try to pass off a repro part as original. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29887	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??

Hi: Tried to get to see the "big bird" but got an error message. Where is Paul Yorke's album located and possibly I could find it that way going through the yahoo groups mess. Is it in S-trains, S-scale, etc.? Thanks Rance Velapoldi bull_gator_1@... wrote: >I have uploaded a photo my wife took of a big bird in our backyard in >Atlanta this week during a rare snow fall. Perhaps someone can >identify what he is. All the squirrels and rabbits ran for cover >just before he arrived! > >The photo is located at: > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?page=1 > >Thanks, > >BG1 > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29888	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: photo albums

Here Ya Go.... BullGator http://S-Scale.org/albums/album27 Model Rail album http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail S Friends Albums http://S-Scale.org/albums/album07 2004 Owl Season http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun58 Erector Set http://S-Scale.org/albums/albuo11 Photo Album (all) http://S-Scale.org/albums/albums.php ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29889	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo

To see the mystery bird photo start at: http://S-Scale.org/albums/album27 Click on page 2 Click on Album Mystery Bird Click on the photo Or try this link to go directly to the photo: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo17 Then click on the photo for a larger view. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29890	From: Tim	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo

That bird looks familiar. A couple years back, when I was camping for an extended period (one year), I shot one and ate it. It tasted just like chicken. Just kidding! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Another Link to the Big Bird Photo To see the mystery bird photo start at: http://S-Scale.org/albums/album27 Click on page 2 Click on Album Mystery Bird Click on the photo Or try this link to go directly to the photo: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo17 Then click on the photo for a larger view. BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29891	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Big Bird

I'm no bird man, but it looks like a Raptor, either a young Eagle or a Hawk. Just looking here, my guess it that it might be an Eagle Yearling, possibly a female. Of the Eagles, we have seen a tremendous come back of the Bald Eagles. And they are tending to winter further South. So my best guess is a yealing female Bald Eagle. It does seem too small for a Cooper's or Red Tail Hawk. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29892	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo

Hmmmmm......looks very much like our Red-Tailed Hawks here in CA. But I'm no expert!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29893	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo

Although the photo is a little fuzzy, the bird looks like a Northern Harrier also known as a Marsh Hawk. It is either an adult female or a juvenile. I believe it is a juvenile based on the fact that it's breast is a rusty color. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29894	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: List of Stuff 4 Sale...

I Have a Friend who closed down their hobby shop (Eastern Canada) about 4 years ago ...all the stock was moved into storage and is now being sold...This is LIONEL MTH and AMERICAN FLYER The list quotes both Candian $$ & US $$ ...But between us members the prices are flexable ..So you can make a REASONABLE OFFER...eh speaking from personal experiance Thier packing and shipping is second to none ...Please have a look ..If interested e mail me for info ..and Ph # if you wish to call...Thanx ..eh Edward --FYRRFYTR There was also a large lot of Dinky and Corgi dia-cast ..that may or may not be available ... US CAN 2332 G.G.1 Green - Stripes, Numbers and Letters Faded - Very Good - OB with Insert 442.00 575.00 2563 Santa Fe Indian Falls Pullman - Very Good - No Box 204.00 265.00 2623 Prewar "Manhattan" Madison Pullman with Postwar trucks - Very Good - No Box 211.00 275.00 2627 "Madison" Madison Pullman with silhouettes - Very Good - No Box 211.00 275.00 332 Arch Under Bridge With Instructions, Never Assembled - Like New - OB 96.00 125.00 3424 Wabash Operating Car - Car Only - Excellent - No Box 73.00 95.00 3461 Lionel Operating Log Car - Green - Excellent - No Box 77.00 100.00 52 Fire Car - Very Good Plus - OB Classified 6 No Insert 173.00 225.00 6464-425 New Haven Box Car Full Serif Type 2B - Very Good - No Box 54.00 70.00 6464-425 New Haven Box Car Half Serif Type 2B - Very Good - No Box 61.00 80.00 6464-525 M & St Louis Box Car - Red - AAR Trucks - Excellent - OB 69.00 90.00 8056 Chicago North Western FM - SALE 269.00 350.00 8157 Santa Fe FM - Excellent running condition - Very Good plus - No Box - SALE 230.00 300.00 8358 Pennsylvania GP-7 Dummy - Excellent plus - OB 127.00 165.00 8359 Chessie Special Anniversary GP-7 GM50 - Excellent plus - OB 145.00 188.00 8454 Denver Rio Grande GP-7 Power - Excellent plus -OB 127.00 165.00 8463 Chessie System GP-20 Power - Excellent plus - OB 138.00 180.00 8470 C & O Chessie U36B Power - Excellent plus - OB 158.00 205.00 8506 PRR 0-4-0 Switcher - Excellent - No Box 127.00 165.00 18001 Rock Island Northern 4-8-4 - SALE 462.00 600.00 18003 D L & W Northern 4-8-4 - SALE 462.00 600.00 18052 * Pennsylvania Torpedo "238E" - SALE 385.00 499.95 18064 * NYC 4-8-2 Mohawk L-3A Steam (Heritage) -SALE 1077.00 1399.00 18212 Santa Fe Dash 8-40B Dummy 288.00 375.00 18300 PRR GG-1 Gold With 19702 N5C Caboose 542.00 705.00 18306 PRR MU Power & Dummy Units 1992 385.00 500.00 18311 Disney EP-5 "8311" 1994 305.00 400.00 18416 Bugs Bunny & Daffy Duck Handcar 142.00 185.00 18421 Sylvester & Tweety Hand Car 95.00 123.50 18422 * Santa/Snowman Hand Car 58.00 75.95 18423 On Track Step Van Orange 45.00 59.00 18424 On-Track Pick-Up Truck Blue 45.00 59.00 18425 Goofy & Pluto Hand Car 65.00 85.00 18429 Workmen Hand Car with Railroad Workers 51.00 65.95 18430 New York Central Crew Car - White 45.00 59.00 18438 * PRR Dodge Ram Hi Rail Vehicle - SALE 65.00 84.95 18439 * Union Pacific Dodge Ram Hi Rail Vehicle - SALE 65.00 84.95 18553 Union Pacific GP-9 Sears with Display Case 269.00 350.00 18832 PRR RSD-4 "8446" 1995 -SALE 173.00 225.00 21759 * Canadian Pacific F-3 Passenger Set -SALE 1150.00 1499.00 31717 * Canadian Pacific Snow Removal Train Set CALL CALL 87207 * Mickey & Donald Hand Car "G" - Box 4 corners creased 96.00 124.95 5701 Dairymen's League Reefer 34.00 44.00 5703 North American Despatch Reefer 46.00 60.00 5733 Lionel Lines Bunk Car 39.00 51.00 5735 New York Central Bunk Car 48.00 63.00 6105 Reading Operating Hopper 67.00 87.00 6109 C & O Operating Hopper 67.00 87.00 6302 Quaker 3 Dome Tank Car - New - No Box 46.00 60.00 6306 Southern 1 Dome Tank Car Farr #4 81.00 105.00 6323 LCCA Virginia Chemicals 1 Dome Tank Car 65.00 85.00 6401 Virginia Bay Window Caboose 52.00 68.00 7515 Denver Mint 88.00 115.00 7518 Carson City Mint - New - No Box 52.00 68.00 7530 Dahlonega Mint 73.00 95.00 7601 State of Delaware Box Car 27.00 35.00 7603 State of New Jersey Box Car 31.00 41.00 7227-32 Wabash Passenger 6 Car Set - SALE 346.00 450.00 7803 Trains'n Trucking Box Car 29.00 38.00 9221 Poultry Dispatch Operating Car 69.00 90.00 9225 Conrail Operating Barrel Car 92.00 120.00 9229 Express Mail Operating Box Car 43.00 56.00 9307 Erie Animated Gondola 92.00 120.00 9311 Union Pacific Dump - Excellent - OB 19.00 25.00 9408 Lionel Lines Circus Car 52.00 68.00 9418 FARR Commemorative Box Car 57.00 75.00 9447 Pullman Standard Box Car 25.00 32.00 9452 Western Pacific Box Car 25.00 32.00 9462 Southern Pacific Box Car 27.00 35.00 9484 Lionel 85th Anniversary Box Car 34.00 44.00 9492 Lionel Lines Box Car 34.00 44.00 9726 Erie Lackawana Box Car - Excellent plus - OB 34.00 45.00 9757 Central of Georgia Box Car - Excellent plus - OB 27.00 35.00 9777 Virginian Box Car - New - No Box 29.00 38.00 9801 B & O Sentinal - Std O - Excellent plus - OB 52.00 68.00 9802 Miller Reefer - Std O - Excellent - OB 38.00 50.00 9803 Johnson Wax Box Car - Std O - Excellent plus - OB 34.00 45.00 9807 Stroh's Beer Reefer - Std O 115.00 150.00 9809 Clark Reefer - Std O - Excellent plus - OB 43.00 56.00 9825 Schaefer Reefer - Std O - Like New - OB 69.00 90.00 9861 Tropicana Billboard Reefer 43.00 56.00 11844 Union Pacific Diecast Ore Car Set of 4 328.00 427.00 16144 * San Angelo 3-D Tank Car - SALE 23.00 30.00 16146 * Dairy Despatch Reefer 1995 - SALE 23.00 30.00 16155 AEC Tank - Geiger Green 100.00 130.00 16215 Conrail Auto Carrier 46.00 60.00 16217 Burlington Northern Auto Carrier 46.00 60.00 16229 Erie Lackawana Auto Carrier 67.00 87.00 16236 NYC Pacemaker Box Car 42.00 55.00 16237 Railway Express Agency Box Car - one corner creased on OB 44.00 57.00 16242 Grand Trunk Auto Carrier 51.00 67.00 16291 * Christmas Car 1998 43.00 55.95 16348 Lionel Erie Liquified Gas Car 52.00 67.00 16351 Lionel Flat Car with U.S.N. Submarine 69.00 90.00 16352 U.S. Military Flat Car with Cruise Missile 64.00 83.00 16360 N & W Maxi-Stack Flatcar Set with Containers 96.00 125.00 16651 Circus Operating Clown Car 69.00 90.00 16652 Lionel Radar Car 58.00 75.00 16662 Looney Toons Op'g Bugs Bunny & Yosemite Sam Yellow 50.00 65.00 16666 Lionel Toxic Waste Car 46.00 60.00 16670 Lionel TV Car - White - New - SALE 38.00 50.00 16673 Lionel Tender w/Whistle 1994-96 46.00 60.00 16681 Aquarium Car - Gold 1995 - SALE 55.00 71.95 16686 * Mickey & Big Bad Pete Animated Box Car 50.00 64.95 16690 * Bugs Bunny & Yosemite Sam Op'g Car Red 50.00 65.00 16701 Southern Tool Car (SS Set) 57.00 75.00 16704 Lionel TV Car Yellow - SALE 38.00 50.00 16713 Great Northern Log Dump Car 38.00 50.00 16750 Lionel City Aquarium Car 50.00 65.00 16767 * NYC Ice Docks Ice Car - SALE 58.00 74.95 16777 * Lionel Cola Animated Car and Platform - SALE 107.00 139.95 16790 * Union Pacific Carsounds Stock Car - SALE 127.00 164.95 16904 * NYC TTUX Flat Set 100.00 129.95 16907 Lionel Flatcar w/Farm Tractors - SALE 35.00 46.00 (16908) US Navy Flat w/Submarine "04039" - New - No Box 69.00 90.00 (16909) US Navy Gondola w/Cannisters "16556" - New - No Box 27.00 35.00 16946 C & O F-9 Well Car 57.00 75.00 16969 * Flatcar w/Beechcraft Bonanza Airplane "6411" - SALE 46.00 59.95 16970 * L A Flatcar w/Motorized Lifeguard Powerboat - SALE 46.00 59.95 16982 BC Flat with Wood 42.00 54.95 17108 Santa Fe 3 Bay ACF Hopper - Std O 74.00 97.00 17172 * CP Rail Cylindrical Hopper 54.00 69.95 17260 * CP Rail 9464 Box Car - Action Silver Std O Diecast Frame 61.00 79.98 17261 CP Rail 9464 Box Car - Action Green Std O Diecast Frame 61.00 79.98 17262 * CP Rail 9464 Box Car - Action Red Std O Diecast Frame 61.00 79.98 17217 * State of Maine Box Car Std O - SALE 45.00 57.95 17218 * State of Maine Box Car Std O - SALE 45.00 57.95 17219 Tazmanian Devil 40th Birthday Box Car Std O 70.00 90.95 17404 Illinois Central Gulf Gondola w/Coil Covers - Std O 57.00 75.00 17502 Santa Fe Flat Car with Trailer - Std O 88.00 115.00 17522 * Flat with Prowler Car Std O - New - SALE 61.00 78.95 17534 * Diamond T Flatcar w/Mack B Trucks Std O 67.00 87.95 17603 Rock Island Woodside Caboose Std O 63.00 82.00 17800 * Ontario Northland Ore Car 38.00 49.95 17801 * Canadian National Ore Car - Great Slave Lake 38.00 49.95 17802 Canadian Pacific Ore Car 42.00 55.00 17873 LCCA Ashland 3-D Tank Car 69.00 90.00 17900 Santa Fe Uni-Body Tank Car Std O 61.00 80.00 17901 Chevron Uni-Body Tank Car Std O 57.00 75.00 19200 Tidewater Southern Box Car 23.00 30.00 19204 Milwaukee Road Box Car (FF #2) 38.00 50.00 19207 CP Rail Double Door Box Car Red 38.00 50.00 19237 C&IM Box Car 38.00 38.00 19238 Kansas City Southern Box Car 29.00 38.00 19239 Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Double Door Box Car 38.00 50.00 19240 Great Northern Double Door Box Car 29.00 38.00 19251 Montana Rail Link Double Door Box Car 34.00 45.00 19255 Erie Double Door Box Car (FF #7) 38.00 50.00 19257 * 6464 Series Box Cars 2nd Edition Set of 3 1994 - SALE 108.00 139.95 19265 Mickey Mouse 65th Anniversary Hi-Cube Box Car - SALE 50.00 65.00 19266 * 6464 Series Box Cars 3rd Edition Set of 3 1995 - SALE 108.00 139.95 19270 Donald Duck 60th Anniversary Hi-Cube Box Car - SALE 50.00 65.00 19271 Minnie Mouse Hi-Cube Box Car - SALE+ 50.00 65.00 19282 * Santa Fe Super Chief Box Car 6464-196 45.00 57.95 19285 * B & A State of Maine Box Car 6464-275 45.00 57.95 19302 Milwaukee Road Hopper w/Coal (FF #2) 42.00 55.00 19303 Lionel Lines Quad Hopper w/Coal Load 42.00 55.00 19406 West Point Mint Car 92.00 120.00 19419 * Charlotte Mint Car 62.00 79.95 19421 * Hirsch Brothers Vat Car 1995 - SALE 27.00 34.95 19424 Edison Electric Dep Center Flatcar w/Transformer 46.00 60.00 19440 * Flatcar w/FedExTrailer 43.00 56.95 19444 * Flatcar w/VW Bug Std O 64.00 82.95 19500 Milwaukee Road Reefer 46.00 60.00 19525 Speedy Alka Seltzer Reefer 46.00 60.00 19526 Jolly Green Giant Reefer 46.00 60.00 19531 Rice Krispies Reefer 46.00 60.00 19532 Hormel Reefer 38.00 50.00 19540 * Broken Arrow Ranch Stock Car - Original Box very creased - SALE 38.00 49.95 19660 Lionel Mint Car 53.00 68.95 19723 Disney Extended Vision Caboose 65.00 84.00 19602 Johnson 1-D Tank (FF #5) 58.00 75.00 19701 Milwauke Road N5C Caboose 58.00 75.00 19702 PRR N5C Caboose Gold - New - Not the correct box 58.00 75.00 19723 Disney Extended Vision Caboose - Sold only with 18311 65.00 83.95 19808 New York Central Ice Car 65.00 85.00 19813 * Northern Pacific Ice Car 1989 Uncataloged 60.00 77.95 19821 * Union Pacific Operating Box Car 1995 - SALE 42.00 54.95 19822 * Pork Dispatch Car 1995 - SALE 42.00 54.95 19823 * Burlington Ice Car - SALE 54.00 69.95 19827 * NYC Operating Box Car - missing mail bag - SALE 38.00 49.95 19835 * FedEx Animated Box Car 53.00 68.95 19855 * Christmas Aquarium Car 54.00 69.95 19856 Mermaid Aquarium Car 61.00 80.00 19877 Operating Barrel Ramp Car 53.00 68.95 19903 Christmas Car 1987 73.00 95.00 19904 Christmas Car 1988 73.00 95.00 19908 Christmas Car 1989 69.00 90.00 19910 Christmas Car 1990 46.00 60.00 19913 Christmas Car 1991 73.00 95.00 19918 Christmas Car 1992 108.00 140.00 19922 Christmas Car 1993 58.00 75.00 19929 * Christmas Car 1994 58.00 74.95 19938 * Christmas Car 1995 58.00 74.95 19945 * Christmas Car 1996 42.00 54.95 21757 * Union Pacific 4 Car Freight Set Std O 243.00 315.95 26513 NYC Emergency Caboose with Strobe 66.00 85.95 26906 * SP Flatcar w/Corgi 1957 Chevy Std O - SALE 41.95 53.95 29203 * Maine Central 6464-597 Box Car Uncataloged - SALE 45.00 57.95 29209 * 6464 Series Box Cars Edition 7 1998 Heritage 127.00 164.95 29214 * Southern Railway 6464-298 Box Car 45.00 57.95 29215 * Canadian Pacific 6464-398 Box Car Brown 45.00 57.95 29231 * Animated Halloween Box Car - SALE 42.00 54.95 29250 * Phoebe Snow 6464-199 Box Car 45.00 57.95 29251 * Burlington Northern 6464-299 Box Car 45.00 57.95 29252 * CP Rail 6464-399 Box Car Yellow CALL CALL 29258 Reading 9464-299 Box Car Std O - Diecast Frame 58.00 74.95 36900 Depressed Flat with Backshop Load 135.00 175.00 39207 * Union Pacific Box Car 6565 Red - Diecast Frame 54.00 69.95 39208 * Union Pacific Box Car 6565 Silver - Diecast Frame 54.00 69.95 39209 * Union Pacific Box Car 6565 Yellow - Diecast Frame 54.00 69.95 51600 * Depressed Center Flat with Generator, paint chip near brakewheel - SALE 143.00 185.95 52040 * TTOS GT Flat w/Tractor Trailer 100.00 129.95 7227-32 Wabash 6 Car Passenger Set 346.00 450.00 16042 Illinois Central Baggage - Like New - OB 41.00 53.00 16043 Illinois Central Combination - Like New - OB 41.00 53.00 39106 * Canadian Pacific 2 Car Set - SALE 225.00 295.00 39151 * Canadian Pacific Baggage & Diner - SALE 225.00 295.00 39197 * Canadian Pacific Passenger with Station Sounds - SALE 269.00 350.00 11719 Coastal Freight Set - D & H Service Station Set 377.00 490.00 11726 Erie Lackawana Freight Set 423.00 550.00 11733 Feather River Service Station Set 415.00 540.00 11738 * Soo Line Service Station Set - SALE 354.00 459.95 11810 * Budweiser Modern Era Set - Not sealed. Like New 261.00 339.95 11813 * Crayola Train Set 96.00 124.95 21759 * Canadian Pacific F-3 Passenger Set - SALE 1150.00 1499.00 31717 * Canadian Pacific Snow Removal Train Set CALL CALL 39106 * Canadian Pacific 2 Car Add On Passenger Set - SALE 225.00 295.00 39151 * Canadian Pacific Baggage and Diner - SALE 225.00 295.00 39197 * Canadian Pacific Passenger with Station Sounds - SALE 269.00 350.00 2170 Operating Street Lamps Set of 3 21.00 27.00 2171 Gooseneck Street Lamps Set of 2 25.00 33.00 2305 Operating Oil Derrick 173.00 225.00 12703 * Icing Station 1988 108.00 139.95 12709 * Banjo Signal - SALE 35.00 45.95 12711 * Water Tower Kit 19.25 24.95 12727 * Operating Semaphore - SALE 32.00 41.95 12731 * Station Platform 12.25 15.95 12734 * Passenger Freight Station Kit 25.00 32.95 12748 * Illuminated Passenger Platform 28.50 36.95 12749 * Rotary Radar Antenna - SALE 40.00 51.95 12754 * Graduated Trestle Set of 22 19.25 24.95 12759 * Floodlight Tower - SALE 29.00 37.95 12772 * Illuminated Extension Bridge w/Piers 50.00 64.95 12783 * Monon Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12806 * Lionel Lumber Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12807 * Little Caesars Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12809 * Animated Billboard 1992 - SALE 25.00 31.95 12810 * American Flyer Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12819 * Inland Steel Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12826 Intermodal Containers 23.00 30.00 12836 Santa Fe Quantum Tractor/Trailer 23.00 30.00 12837 Humble Oil Tractor/Tanker 23.00 30.00 12841 * Insulated Straight Track 027 Gauge 4.25 5.50 12843 Die Cast Sprung Trucks Set of 2 16.50 22.00 12847 Icing Station 1994 111.00 145.00 12852 * Die Cast Trailer Frame 7.65 9.95 (12854) US Navy Tractor/Tanker - No Box - New 46.00 60.00 12855 * Intermodal Containers 1994 19.25 24.95 12860 * Visitors Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12864 * Little Caesars Tractor/Trailer 1994 19.25 24.95 12865 * Wisk Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12866 * Power House 135 watts 77.00 99.95 12867 * PM-1 Power Master 77.00 99.95 12882 * Lighted Billboard 18.50 23.95 12883 * Dwarf Signal 19.25 24.95 12890 * Big Red Button - One Only - SALE 69.00 89.95 12891 * Refrigerator Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12893 * PM-1 Power Cable 8.25 10.75 12894 * Single Signal Bridge 48.00 61.95 12896 * Tunnel Portals 10.00 12.95 12897 * Engine House Kit 38.00 49.95 12899 * Searchlight Tower - SALE 32.00 41.95 12907 * Intermodal Containers 1995 19.25 24.95 12914 * SC1 Switch & Accessory Control - SALE 62.00 80.95 12916 * No. 138 Water Tower 92.00 119.95 12927 * Yard Lights Set of 3 14.50 18.95 12949 * No. 310 Billboard Set 7.65 9.95 12951 * Airplane Hangar Building Kit - SALE 32.00 41.95 12952 * Big L Diner Kit - SALE 32.00 41.95 12962 * Passenger Service Center w/Whistle - SALE 40.00 51.95 12974 * Blinking Billboards 19.25 24.95 12989 * Lionel Logo Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 12991 * Linex Gas Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 22919 * GP-9 Electromagnetic Coupler 29.00 38.00 22931 * Cantilever Die-Cast Signal Bridge 60.00 77.95 22940 * Scale Mast Signal 48.00 62.95 22973 * Lionel Corporation Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 29271 * Lionel Cola Tractor/Trailer 19.25 24.95 32990 * Linex Oil Derrick 85.00 109.95 62180 * Road Signs Set of 16 6.10 7.95 62283 * Die Cast Bumpers Set of 2 19.25 24.95 62900 * Lockons 2.70 3.50 65020 * 90 Degree Crossover "027" 9.25 11.95 65023 * 45 Degree Crossover "027" 9.25 11.95 65530 * Remote Uncoupling Section "O" 32.00 41.95 65540 * 90 Degree Crossover "O" 14.00 17.95 65545 * 45 Degree Crossover "O" 14.00 17.95 82101 * Lockons "G" 4.60 5.95 82112 * Figure Set of 6 "G" 13.85 17.95 82116 * DC Converter Box "G" 68.00 88.95 91001 * Santa Fe F-3 Diecast 1:120 Scale - SALE 24.50 31.95 91002 * B & O GP-9 Diecast 1:120 Scale - SALE 24.50 31.95 91010 * NYC GP-9 Diecast 1:120 Scale - SALE 24.50 31.95 91015 * B & M Diecast 1:120 Scale - SALE 24.50 31.95 ARI 11031 * Aristocrat Bumper "G" 8.45 10.95 G 905 * Zona Razor Saw 4.60 5.95 MTH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 20-2124-1 Union Pacific Gas Turbine Diesel with Proto - SALE 899.00 1169.00 20-2404-1 * CP Rail GP 38-2 with Proto 2.0 388.00 504.95 20-2404-3 * CP Rail GP 38-2 Non Powered 154.00 199.95 20-3025-1 * Southern Pacific Cab Forward w/Proto - SALE 899.00 1169.00 20-3026 * Norfolk & Western Auxiliary Water Tender - SALE 179.00 235.00 20-6508 * Amtrak 70' Aluminum 5 Car Passenger Set - SALE 350.00 450.00 20-6508/6608* Amtrak 70' Aluminum 7 Car Passenger Set - SALE 520.00 675.00 20-6510 * Union Pacific 70' Aluminum 5 Car Passenger Set - SALE 350.00 450.00 20-6510/6610* Union Pacific 70' Aluminum 7 Car Passenger Set - SALE 520.00 675.00 20-80001B Canadian Pacific F-3 Passenger Set with B Unit and 2 Add-On Passengers DAP SALE 999.00 1299.00 20-80001D Erie Lackawana FM DAP 1999 - SALE 230.00 300.00 20-80001E Christmas Car DAP 1999 96.00 125.00 20-80002D * Christmas Car DAP 2000 96.00 125.00 20-80002E Pennsy GG1 w/Proto 2 with four 60' Pennsy Alum Passengers DAP 2000 SALE 653.95 850.00 20-80002H * PCC Electric Street Car w/proto DAP 2000 - OB corner creased - SALE 99.00 129.00 20-90047 * CP Rail 6 Car Hopper Set - SALE 200.00 260.00 20-91007 * Canadian National Extended Vision Caboose 53.00 68.95 20-91013 * Union Pacific Extended Vision Caboose 51.00 66.95 20-91037 * New York Central Bay Window Caboose - SALE 46.00 60.00 20-93145 Canadian Pacific 40' Box Car with Beaver Shield 50.00 65.00 20-96056 CN Tank Car - SALE 46.00 59.95 20-97433 * Ontario Northland 3 Bay Centerflow Hopper - SALE 42.00 54.95 20-98103 West Virginia Pulp & Paper 3 Car Log Set - SALE 104.00 135.00 20-98201 Hot Metal Car Black 58.00 74.95 20-98205 Union Pacific Jordan Spreader - One only 81.00 104.95 20-98206 * Pennsylvania Jordan Spreader 81.00 104.95 20-98219 * New York Central Snow Plow - SALE 49.00 64.00 20-98222 Great Northern O Scale Crane (Sold with 20-98224) - SALE 61.00 80.00 20-98224 Great Northern O Scale Crane Tender (Sold with 20-98222) - SALE 35.00 45.00 30-1130 * Union Pacific Diecast Tender - SALE 115.00 150.00 30-1164-1 * Pennsylvania 2-8-2 Mikado with Proto 2.0 - SALE 385.00 499.95 30-2504-0 * San Francisco PCC Street Car - SALE 96.00 125.00 30-5105* Pennsylvania GG-1 Green 5 Stripe "4935" w/Horn - SALE 219.00 285.00 30-7216 * WARR 19th Century Gondola 43.00 55.95 30-7320 * WARR 19th Century Wooden Tank 43.00 55.95 30-7439 * WARR 19th Century Box Car 43.00 55.95 30-7466 Union Pacific Operating Box Car with Signal Man - SALE 41.00 54.00 30-7610 * Flat w/1957 Chevy's - One Only - SALE 45.00 58.50 30-7615 * Flat w/Ertl 1955 Cameo Wreckers - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7616 * Flat w/Earth Mover - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7617 Flat w/1964 Mustangs - SALE 34.00 45.00 30-7619 * Flat w/Front End Loader - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7623 Flat w/Ertl Fire Cars 34.00 45.00 30-7624 Flat w/1964 Corvettes - SALE 34.00 45.00 30-7625 Flat w/Ertl Taxis - Corner creased on OB - SALE 34.00 45.00 30-7628 * Auto Carrier w/49 Ford Coupes & 52 Cadillacs - One only - SALE 54.00 70.00 30-7634 * Flat w/1969 Camero's - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7638 * Auto Carrier w/67 Firebirds & 70 Chevy Nova's - SALE 54.00 70.00 30-7639 * Flat w/1968 GTO's - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7640 * Union 76 Flat w/Wreckers - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7642 Flat w/Case Tractors 46.00 60.00 30-7647 * Flat w/1950 Panel Trucks - SALE 27.00 35.00 30-7656 * Auto Carrier with Four 1957 Chevy's - SALE 51.95 66.95 30-7662 * Flat w/1940 Woody Wagon - SALE 35.00 45.95 30-7666 * Auto Carrier w/67 Camaros and 67 Shelbys - One only - SALE 70.00 89.95 30-7921 * CNW Rotary Snow Plow - SALE 42.00 55.00 30-7922 Canadian National Rotary Snow Plow 58.00 75.00 30-7925 CSX Dump with Operating Bay 46.00 59.95 30-8001 * Baltimore & Ohio Die Cast Hopper 51.00 65.95 30-8003 * Pennsylvania Die Cast Hopper 51.00 65.95 30-8101 * Shell Die Cast Tank Car 51.00 65.95 30-8102 * DRG Die-Cast Tank Car 51.00 65.95 30-8103 Pennsylvania Die-Cast Tank Car 53.00 68.95 30-8112 * Sunoco Die-Cast Tank Car 53.00 68.95 30-8201 * Union Pacific Die Cast Gondola 46.00 59.95 30-8202 * Boston & Maine Die Cast Gondola 46.00 59.95 30-8303 * Milw Road Die Cast Flat w/1932 Panel Vans 55.00 71.95 30-8304 * C & O Die Cast Flat w/1932 Panel Vans 55.00 71.95 30-8403 * New York Central Die Cast Box Car 54.00 69.95 30-8406 * Northern Pacific Die Cast Box Car 52.00 67.95 30-8501 * NYC Die Cast Woodside Caboose 53.00 68.95 30-8702 * Union Pacific Die Cast Stock Car 51.00 65.95 30-8705 * Denver Rio Grande Die Cast Stock Car 54.00 69.95 10-1015 * Hellgate Bridge Cream/Green Tinplate - SALE 400.00 525.00 20-95040 * Tank Container Set - SALE 14.00 18.00 30-1020 * No. 54 Street Lamps 31.00 39.95 30-1026 * No. 56 Gas Lamps Greeen 31.00 39.95 30-1035 * No. 151 Operating Semaphore Black 31.00 39.95 30-1036 * No. 69N Operating Warning Bell Red - SALE 19.00 25.00 30-1056* High Tension Tower Set of 3 65.00 84.95 30-1057 * No. 58 Single Arc Lamps Green - SALE 18.00 23.00 30-1060 * No. 70 Yard Light Set - SALE 14.00 18.00 30-1074 * No. 154 Flashing Highway Signal 31.00 39.95 30-1088 * Telephone Poles - Set of 6 - SALE 12.00 15.00 30-1089-2 * Double Lamp Traffic Light - Set of 2 - SALE 22.00 29.00 30-11005 * O Scale Operating Block Signal - SALE 30.00 39.00 30-11011 * O Scale Dwarf Signal - SALE 17.00 22.00 30-11013 * O Scale Seven Light Block Signal 42.00 54.95 30-11014 * O Scale Operating Crossing Flasher w/Sound - SALE 49.00 64.00 30-9030 * Engine Shed 76.00 99.00 30-9051 * Myersville Passenger Station 46.00 60.00 30-9106 * Esso Gas Station 151.00 195.95 50-1001 DCS System 299.95 389.95 50-1009 Mini to Mini Cable 9.95 12.95 50-1018 6 Foot Connector Cable 19.95 26.95 50-508 * Stockyard Proto Layout Sounds - SALE 51.00 65.95 PE-600 * Protofreight Cow Sounds - SALE 58.00 75.95 PE-601 * Protofreight Horse Sounds - SALE 58.00 75.95 AMERICAN FLYER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20705 The Pioneer Flyer Set - Very Good - OB 73.00 95.00 20705 The Pioneer Flyer Set - Very Good - OB 73.00 95.00 24403 Illinois Central Reefer - Very Good - No Box 27.00 35.00 24413 ART Company Reefer Missing Brakewheel - Very Good Plus - OB Poor 100.00 130.00 561 Diesel Horn Santa Fe Freight - Excellent - Tattered OB 58.00 75.00 566 Diesel Horn Billboard - Excellent Plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 605 American Flyer Lines Tin Flatcar with Logs - Like New - OB 58.00 75.00 605 American Flyer Lines Tin Flatcar with Logs - Excellent Plus - OB 38.00 50.00 606 American Flyer Lines Crane Car - Excellent - No Box 52.00 68.00 638 American Flyer Lines Caboose - Excellent - No Box 11.50 15.00 759 Bell Danger Signal - Very Good - OB 73.00 95.00 759 Bell Danger Signal - missing chimney - Excellent - OB with Instructions 85.00 110.00 760 Highway Flasher - Excellent Plus - Tattered OB 50.00 65.00 771 Operating Stockyard with 736 Stock Car - Excellent - No Box 127.00 165.00 774 Floodlight Tower - Excellent Plus - Tattered OB 104.00 135.00 910 GATZ Gilbert Tank Car - Excellent - OB - One Flap missing 304.00 395.00 916 D & H Container Gondola with 5 Cannisters - Excellent - OB 42.00 55.00 921 C B & Q Hopper - Excellent - Poor OB 36.00 47.00 925 Gulf Tank Car Silver - Excellent - No Box 31.00 40.00 928 New Haven Lumber Car - Excellent - No Box 38.00 50.00 934 Southern Pacific Floodlight - Excellent - No Box 58.00 75.00 940 Wabash Hopper - Excellent - OB 28.00 36.00 941 Frisco Gondola - Excellent - No Box 19.00 25.00 947 Northern Pacific Reefer - Excellent - No Box 50.00 65.00 956 Monon Pïggyback Flat - original load - missing brakewheel assembly - Excellent - No Box 142.00 185.00 960 Columbus Combination Orange Band - Very Good ++ /No Box 168.00 218.00 961 Jefferson Pullman Orange Band - Very Good ++ /No Box 168.00 218.00 963 Washington Observation Green Band - Very Good++ /No Box 135.00 175.00 979 AFL Operating Bay Window Caboose - Excellent - OB 25036 Poor 168.00 218.00 24403 Illinois Central Reefer - Very Good - No Box 27.00 35.00 24413 ART Company Reefer Missing Brakewheel - Very Good Plus - OB Poor 100.00 130.00 561 Diesel Horn Santa Fe Freight - Excellent - Tattered OB 58.00 75.00 566 Diesel Horn Billboard - Excellent Plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 605 American Flyer Lines Tin Flatcar with Logs - Like New - OB 58.00 75.00 605 American Flyer Lines Tin Flatcar with Logs - Excellent Plus - OB 38.00 50.00 606 American Flyer Lines Crane Car - Excellent - No Box 52.00 68.00 638 American Flyer Lines Caboose - Excellent - No Box 11.50 15.00 759 Bell Danger Signal - Very Good - OB 73.00 95.00 759 Bell Danger Signal - missing chimney - Excellent - OB with Instructions 85.00 110.00 760 Highway Flasher - Excellent Plus - Tattered OB 50.00 65.00 771 Operating Stockyard with 736 Stock Car - Excellent - No Box 127.00 165.00 774 Floodlight Tower - Excellent Plus - Tattered OB 104.00 135.00 910 GATZ Gilbert Tank Car - Excellent - OB - One Flap missing 304.00 395.00 916 D & H Container Gondola with 5 Cannisters - Excellent - OB 42.00 55.00 921 C B & Q Hopper - Excellent - Poor OB 36.00 47.00 925 Gulf Tank Car Silver - Excellent - No Box 31.00 40.00 928 New Haven Lumber Car - Excellent - No Box 38.00 50.00 934 Southern Pacific Floodlight - Excellent - No Box 58.00 75.00 940 Wabash Hopper - Excellent - OB 28.00 36.00 941 Frisco Gondola - Excellent - No Box 19.00 25.00 947 Northern Pacific Reefer - Excellent - No Box 50.00 65.00 956 Monon Pïggyback Flat - original load - missing brakewheel assembly - Excellent - No Box 142.00 185.00 960 Columbus Combination Orange Band - Very Good ++ /No Box 168.00 218.00 961 Jefferson Pullman Orange Band - Very Good ++ /No Box 168.00 218.00 963 Washington Observation Green Band - Very Good++ /No Box 135.00 175.00 979 AFL Operating Bay Window Caboose - Excellent - OB 25036 Poor 168.00 218.00 48009 American Flyer GM GP-7 238.00 310.00 48310 MKT Box Car 46.00 60.00 48312 Missouri Pacific Box Car 73.00 95.00 48313 BAR State of Maine Box Car 73.00 95.00 48316 Bangor & Aroostook Reefer 69.00 90.00 48317 Rath Packing Reefer 57.00 74.00 48318 A.C. Gilbert Box Car 46.00 60.00 48322 * New Haven Box Car 46.00 60.00 48405 * Shell l-D Tank Car 46.00 60.00 48406 * Celanese Chemicals Tank Car 46.00 60.00 48477 TCA Ralston-Purina Box Car 85.00 110.00 48509 * AF Equipment Co Flat w/Farm Tractors 46.00 60.00 48609 D & H Covered Hopper 52.00 68.00 48611 * Cargill Covered Grain Hopper 46.00 60.00 48800 Wabash Reefer - Excellent Plus - OB 35.00 45.00 48914-5 Mopac Eagle Pass & Vista Dome Set of 2 - Sold only with 49601 138.00 180.00 49003 Union Pacific Searchlight Car 69.00 90.00 49207 B & O Covered Hopper 1986 - Excellent Plus - OB 35.00 45.00 49208 Santa Fe Covered Hopper 1986 - Excellent Plus - OB 35.00 45.00 49304 NYC Gondola with Cannisters 1986 - Excellent Plus -OB 29.00 38.00 49601 Missouri Pacific "Eagle" Set 612.00 795.00 49711 Southern Pacific Box Car 1986 - Excellent Plus - OB 46.00 60.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29895	From: Tim	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: Re: Another Link to the Big Bird Photo

It looks to me; I say - It looks to me like Henri the Chicken Hawk. Tim (Foghorn Leghorn) Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another Link to the Big Bird Photo Hmmmmm......looks very much like our Red-Tailed Hawks here in CA. But I'm no expert!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29896	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/1/2004
Subject: BIG bIRD

You are probably right. I think what makes it hard for us to identify is that it is an immature bird. When they mature, their plummage colors out. And the famale is usually the drabber looking of the two. I have a stock pond behind my place. Every year there has been a Giant Blue Heron nesting there and she raises at least one chick. Wingspan oon that Heron is about 6 feet. And is it fun to watch them fish for small bass. I get Canadas stopping by the pond in the fall and spring. These are just some of the small joys in life. Now, if we could model them in S..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29897	From: steve	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - What Kinda Bird Am I??

This is a link to a pic I found of a redtail hawk. Ive seen lots of redtails here in WA. but didn't think they were on that side of the country. I looked at pics of harris hawks and they didn't look as much like your bird to me as this did. Steve "http://home.comcast.net/~bullwinkl/redtail.jpg" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bull_gator_1@y... wrote: > I have uploaded a photo my wife took of a big bird in our backyard in > Atlanta this week during a rare snow fall. Perhaps someone can > identify what he is. All the squirrels and rabbits ran for cover > just before he arrived! > > The photo is located at: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?page=1 > > Thanks, > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29898	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!

Thanks to Paul Yorke who was the first to identify the mystery bird as a red shouldered hawk. Thanks to all the group members who offered suggestions to identify the mystery bird. The mystery bird stands about 16 - 18 inches tall which is consistent with the red shouldered hawk. The red shouldered hawk's breeding grounds include central Georgia and the mystery bird fits the description of the red shouldered hawk, so I'm pretty sure Paul and the others who thought it is a red shouldered hawk are correct. To see comparison photos of the mystery bird and a red shouldered hawk, please go to the following site: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo17 Now someone needs to get busy and develop some 1/64 scale birds of prey for us to place on our layouts! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29899	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!

Are ya sure it isn't a Red-Tailed Hawk, like I said,.....with it's tail combed over it's shoulders??? ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!!

Buzzard?.... But I just saw lots of Eagles....Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off Topic - Mystery bird Identified!! > Are ya sure it isn't a Red-Tailed Hawk, like I said,.....with it's tail combed over it's shoulders??? ;^) > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29901	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Train shows in Seattle-Tacoma?

I know this was mentioned some time ago, but I had a hard drive crash that lost everything. I am planning a trip to Washington state to visit relatives this summer and I remember some talk about two train shows in the Seattle-Tacoma area. I would like to see the shows and visit the family so I need to coordinate. When, where and what were the shows? Thanks for your help! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29902	From: Larry Huff	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: For the birds

Out of all due respect, could we get back to talking about trains? I really like this group and have learned alot from all of you. Larry Huff Munroe Falls, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29903	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Worried about your trains being stolen?

Hi all, This was posted on a steam loco site, and I thought it so unusual that I'd share it with y'all. Scrap metal thieves steal historic locomotive There has been another huge scrap metal theft in Ukraine, less than a week after thieves stole an entire bridge spanning a river. The BBC reports a locomotive said to be the first ever built in Soviet Ukraine has been stolen from a museum. It is thought that thieves who hired a crane from the State Transport company had forged documents saying that they had permission to move the locomotive to a new location. The engine had a scrap value of just under $4,000. The theft comes a few days after an 11-metre long bridge spanning a river in western Ukraine was stolen. These recent heavy weight thefts are just the most striking example of what has become a widespread problem in Ukraine. Metal thieves frequently target cables, sewerage hatches and even statues. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29904	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen?REPLY

I saw 30+ older out of service engines that were being stored on a siding out side the Taylor Yard area near downtown LA. All their cable had been stolen & the covering just left next to them. It had to have taken a few nights (days?) to strip about 3-4 miles of 2 inch copper cable off every engine parked there. I wanted a bell but knew better. Mike S. PS: Sorry & happy to say no bells for sale ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29905	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Gilles Peppin

Gilles can you please contact me off list I lost your E-mail address, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29906	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM

Can anyone help me with this: If you measure 10 feet with a 1/64th scale ruler & then measure the same 10 feet with a 1/72nd ruler what in inches is the difference? Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29907	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM

I'm not sure of your question. It depends on whether you mean the difference between 10 scale feet or the size that 10 real feet would be in the two scales. 10 scale feet: -- ----- ----- First convert the 10 feet to 120 inches to make it easy. Next, consider 1/64th of 120 inches to be: 1.875 inches Then, 1/72nd of 120 inches is: 1.667 inches Finally, the difference is: 0.208 inches. If you have a ruler marked in 1/32nds, that would be: 6.7 of them. 10 Real Feet: -- ---- ----- 10 feet times 64 is 640 feet. That is the s-scale length of something that is 10 feet long in the real world. 10 feet times 72 is 720 feet. That is the 1/72nd scale length of something that is 10 feet long in the real world. The difference is that the 10-foot long thing would represent an object that is 80 feet longer in scale if it is in 1/72nd scale over the representation in 1/64th scale. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:42 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM Can anyone help me with this: If you measure 10 feet with a 1/64th scale ruler & then measure the same 10 feet with a 1/72nd ruler what in inches is the difference? Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29908	From: jt12313	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Baldwin chassis & trucks wanted

Hello all, Anyone out there have a dead Baldwin switcher chassis and trucks in their parts bin? I'm doing a bit of kitbashing with a Marx 1998 shell and flyer mechanics if I can obtain them...or I could wait until K-Line does the same thing and just buy one:) I motor does not have to work, since we now have the aftermarket replacement units The things we do waiting for warm enough weather to do some roofing:) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29909	From: Tim	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM

...About $1.98? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MATH & SCALE PROUBLEM Can anyone help me with this: If you measure 10 feet with a 1/64th scale ruler & then measure the same 10 feet with a 1/72nd ruler what in inches is the difference? Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29910	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Problems /....PROUBLEMS

Yes I know I spelled Problem wrong. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29911	From: TCS	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

826 CNW bay window caboose 1978+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/826.gif 827 CATX 3 bay covered hopper 11-03 http://mopac1.tripod.com/827.gif 828 Rock Island heralds for bridges http://mopac1.tripod.com/828.gif 829 Rock Island 3 bay covered hopper 8-62 http://mopac1.tripod.com/829.gif 830 MKT 3 bay covered hopper 11-80 http://mopac1.tripod.com/830.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29912	From: busyboy@optonline.net	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: :)

Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) 41513 -- archive password [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29913	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: :)

What is this fellow talking about,I don't understand. Bob busyboy@... wrote:Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) 41513 -- archive password [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: SCALE & MATH

Thanks for the info. So from what I got the smaller an object say a 55 gal oil drum in 1/64th & 1/72nd they would be hard to tell the difference by eye. Where a larger item say a Tank car is much easier to see. Even a 10ft 2x4 would be hard to tell them apart if they were not next to each other. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this why an HO building is easy to adapt to S if it is a bit larger than true 1/74th? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29915	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: List of Stuff 4 Sale...UPDATE....

Re: the list of Lionel, MTH, American Flyer Post-war & Lionel AF... That is up 4 Sale ...posting # 29894..I have now confirmed that a large amount of Dinky and Corgi ARE available to First come basis ... The List again is in US dollars and Canadian dollars..respectively... Like the first List..PRICES ARE NEGOTIABLE..Make a resonable offer.. You can contact me re ordering anything that interests you ...Thanx Edward - FYRRFYTR CORGI ** DINKY ** CORGI C 109 Corgi Pennyburn Workmen's Trailer - Like New - No Box 31.00 40.00 C 1121-A Corgi Chipperfields Circus Crane Truck - missing hook - VG++ - No Box 65.00 85.00 C 1130-A Corgi Chipperfields Circus Horse Van - missing one mirror - VG++ - No Box 77.00 100.00 C 1143-A1 Corgi American Lafrance Ladder Truck - 4 Firemen only - VG+ - No Box 54.00 70.00 C 1147 Corgi FerryMaster Covered Semi Truck/Trailer - Excellent plus - No Box 73.00 95.00 C 158-A Corgi Lotus Climax Formula 1 - Orange/White - Like New - No Box 38.00 50.00 C 163 Corgi Santa Pod Glow Worm Dragster - Excellent plus - No Box 34.00 45.00 C 164 Corgi Wild Honey Jaguar Dragster - Yellow - Like New - No Box 38.00 50.00 C 226 Corgi Morris Mini Minor - Metallic Maroon - Like New - No Box 61.00 80.00 C 245 Corgi Buick Riviera -Metallic Gold - Like New - No Box 69.00 90.00 C 262-A Corgi Lincoln Continental - Battery - Very Good++ - No Box 73.00 95.00 C 275 Corgi Rover 2000 TC - Metallic Olive Green - Golden Jacks - Like New - No Box 57.00 75.00 C 310 Corgi Chevrolet Sting Ray Corvette Early - Metallic Hot Pink - Excellent - No Box 54.00 70.00 C 311 Corgi Ford Capri V-6 - Dark Red and Black - Excellent plus - No Box 46.00 60.00 C 325 Corgi Ford Mustang Fast Back - Like New - No Box 69.00 90.00 C 327-B Corgi Chevrolet Caprice Taxi - Very Good plus - No Box 23.00 30.00 C 338 Corgi Chevrolet Camaro - Metallic Lime Gold - Golden Jacks - Excellent plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 C 345 Corgi MGC GT - Bright Yellow and Black - Like New - No Box 77.00 100.00 C 383-A Corgi Volkswagen 1200 Saloon - Orange - Good plus - No Box 19.00 25.00 C 406 Corgi Mercedes Benz Unimog First Version - Like New - No Box 54.00 70.00 C 420-A Corgi Ford Thames Airborne Caravan - Very Good - No Box 27.00 35.00 C 434 Corgi Charlie's Angels Van - decals missing on one side - Very Good - No Box 19.00 25.00 C 438-A Corgi Land Rover - Dark Green Yellow Interior - missing canopy - Excellent - No Box 39.00 50.00 C 443 Corgi Plymouth Suburban US Mail Car - Like New - No Box 69.00 90.00 C 459-A Corgi ERF 44G Moorhouses - Very Good - No Box 35.00 45.00 C 464 Corgi Commer 3/4 Ton Police Bus - Battery - Cast Letters - Like New - No Box 73.00 95.00 C 470 Corgi Jeep FC 150 Covered Truck - Like New - No Box 65.00 85.00 C 477 Corgi Land Rover Breakdown Truck - Rubber Tires - Like New - No Box 54.00 70.00 C 478 Corgi Jeep FC 150 Tower Wagon - Excellent plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 C 483 Corgi Dodge Kew Fargo Tipper Truck - Like New - No Box 65.00 85.00 C 486 Corgi Chevrolet Kennel Club - Like New 73.00 95.00 C 508 Corgi Holiday Camp Special - White/Orange - Like New - No Box 108.00 140.00 C 58 Corgi Beast Carrier Trailer - Like New - No Box 34.00 45.00 C 66 Corgi Massey Ferguson Tractor - Like New 58.00 75.00 C 67 Corgi Ford 5000 Super Major Tractor - Like New - No Box 58.00 75.00 C 71 Corgi Tandem Disc Harrow - Like New - No Box 27.00 35.00 C 73 Corgi Massey Ferguson Tractor With 165 Circular Saw - Like New - No Box 69.00 90.00 C 9001 Corgi Green Bentley - Racing Driver - Like New - No Box 73.00 95.00 C 9004 Corgi World of Wooster Bentley - Green/Charcoal with 2 Figures - Like New - No Box 73.00 95.00 C 901 Corgi Centurion MK III Hong Kong - Like New - No Box 46.00 60.00 C 9012 Corgi Model T Ford 1915 with 2 figures - New - OB 88.00 115.00 C 9021 Corgi 1910 Daimler with 4 figures - New - OB 77.00 100.00 C 9041 Corgi Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1912 - New - OB 92.00 120.00 DINKY D 003-H Dinky Chevrolet Impala Hong Kong - Yellow//Cream top - Excellent - No Box 58.00 75.00 D 043-G Dinky Police Motorcycle & Sidecar - Black Wheels - Like New - No Box 61.00 80.00 D 069 Dinky Dublo Massey Ferguson Tractor - Like New - No Box 53.00 65.00 D 072-G Dinky Dublo Bedford Articulated Flat Truck - Very Good - No Box 19.00 25.00 D 113 Dinky MGB Sports Car - Ivory Body - Red Interior - Excellent plus - No Box 115.00 150.00 D 114 Dinky Triump Spitfire - Metallic Gold Body - Red Interior - Excellent plus - No Box 88.00 115.00 D 131-G Dinky Eldorado Cadillac - Salmon - Like New - No Box 150.00 195.00 D 133-H Dinky Ford Contina Mark 1A Metallic - Golden Yellow - Excellent plus - No Box 46.00 60.00 D 134-G Dinky Triumph Vitesse - Metallic Green - Like New - No Box 54.00 70.00 D 135 Dinky Triumph 2000 - Metallic Greenish Blue - Like New - No Box 54.00 70.00 D 138 Dinky Hillman Imperial - Metallic Green - Red Interior - Like New - No Box 50.00 65.00 D 141 Dinky Vauxhall Victor Estate - Yellow - Excellent plus - No Box 54.00 70.00 D 142 Dinky Jaguar Mark X - Metallic Silver Blue - Very Good - No Box 27.00 35.00 D 143 Dinky Ford Capri - Turquoise Body - White Roof - Excellent plus - No Box 50.00 65.00 D 144 Dinky Volkswagen 1500 - Ivory - Excellent plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 D 146 Dinky Daimler 2.5 - Metallic Greenish Blue - Excellent - No Box 81.00 105.00 D 151-H Dinky Vauxhall Victor - Metallic Maroon - Like New - No Box 123.00 160.00 D 155 Dinky Ford Anglia - Turquoise Green -Like New - No Box 62.00 80.00 D 171-H Dinky Austin 1800 - Metallic Blue - Like New - No Box 54.00 70.00 D 173 - G Dinky Nash Rambler - Turquoise/Maroon - Like New - No Box 123.00 160.00 D 177 Dinky Opel Kapitan - Pale Blue - Excellent - No Box 62.00 80.00 D 178-G Dinky Plymouth Plaza - Light Blue/Dark Blue top - Excellent plus - No Box 123.00 160.00 D 179-G Dinky Studebaker President - Pale Blue/Dark Blue trim - Like New - No Box 154.00 200.00 D 186 Dinky Mercedes Benz 220SE - Light Blue - Excellent - No Box 54.00 70.00 D 190 Dinky Caravan - Cream Upper/Blue Lower Black Front Wheel - Like New - No Box 65.00 85.00 D 191 Dinky Dodge Royal Sedan - Light Green/Black - Like New - No Box 146.00 190.00 D 191 Dinky Desota Fireflite - Aqua/Tan Roof & trim - Like New - No Box 146.00 190.00 D 192-G Dinky DeSoto Fireflite - Very Good plus - No Box 77.00 100.00 D 193 Dinky Rambler Cross Country - Yellow/White Roof 1961-1969 - Like New - No Box 100.00 130.00 D 193 Dinky Rambler Cross Country - Yellow/White Roof - Very Good plus - No Box 50.00 65.00 D 196 Dinky Holden Special Sedan - Turquoise/White - Excellent plus - No Box 58.00 75.00 D 197 Dinky Morris Mini Traveller - Cream Body - Red Interior - Excellent plus - No Box 65.00 85.00 D 199 Dinky Austin 7 Countryman - Pale Blue - Like New - No Box 73.00 95.00 D 251-G Dinky Aveling Barford Road Roller - yellow paint spot underneath - Good+ - No Box 23.00 30.00 D 252-G Dinky Bedford Refuse Wagon - Tan Chassis - yellow paint spot underneath - Very Good - No Box 31.00 40.00 D 252-G Dinky Bedford Refuse Wagon - Tan Chassis - crank not working - Very Good - No Box 27.00 35.00 D 257 Dinky Nash Rambler Fire Chief - Red - Excellent plus - No Box 108.00 140.00 D 259 Dinky Fire Engine - Like New - No Box 77.00 100.00 D 264 Dinky RCMP Patrol Ford Fairlane - Like New - No Box 135.00 175.00 D 270-G Dinky AA Motor Cycle Patrol - Rubber Wheels - Like New - No Box 61.00 80.00 D 272-H Dinky Ford Transit Police Van - jewel headlights - Excellent plus - No Box 38.00 50.00 D 27a-G Dinky Massey Harris Farm Tractor - Tan Driver - missing logo - Very Good - No Box 35.00 45.00 D 27f-G Dinky Estate Car 27f on Base - Very Good - No Box 35.00 45.00 D 280 Dinky Midland Mobile Bank - Cream & Silver - Excellent plus - No Box 108.00 140.00 D 295 Dinky Standard Atlas Kenebrake Mini-Bus - Pale Blue - Excellent - No Box 46.00 60.00 D 3-G Dinky Passengers - Excellent plus - Box Very Good only 61.00 80.00 D 30n-G Dinky Farm Produce Wagon - Yellow Cab Green Rear - Like New - No Box 69.00 90.00 D 30pb-G Dinky Esso Tanker - Excellent - No Box 100.00 130.00 321 Dinky Massey Harris Manure Spreader - Cast Wheels - Excellent - No Box 50.00 65.00 D 322 Dinky Disc Harrow Red/Yellow Frame - yellow paint spot underneath - Very Good - No Box 23.00 30.00 D 341-G Dinky Land Rover Trailer - Orange with red hubs - Very Good - No Box 15.00 20.00 D 341-G Dinky Land Rover Trailer - Green with green hubs - Very Good - No Box 15.00 20.00 D 342-H Dinky Austin MiniMoke - Metallic Green - Like New - No Box - No Box 77.00 100.00 D 343 Dinky Dodge Farm Produce Truck - 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 29916	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Copper thieves

As Mike noted, the Taylor yard scrap line was hit, but also the California State Railroad museum collection of Santa Fe equipment stored within the gated, guarded SP Sacramento Shops area have had all their traction motor leads, and some radiators taken. The Thieve also broke into the unit shop (where all the restoration was done) and took all the brass goodies from one of the steam engines. Some parts were found at a nearby scrap dealer, who, IMHO, knew exactly where the stuff originated, but still traded in it. But gee, a WHOLE locomotive, using a government crane? Now THAT'S chutzpa! ( I know, I can't spell) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29917	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update

Well, they found the loco: Metal thieves have stolen an historic steam locomotive from an open-air museum in the city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine. The local police chief told Donetsk's Ukrayina TV channel that the criminals had probably hired a crane from the state transport company using forged documents authorising the locomotive to be moved to a new location. It was found at a metal scrap yard outside the city, already cut into pieces. The locomotive was said to be the first ever built in Soviet Ukraine back in 1924, so experts could not put a price tag on it. But the thieves could have expected to earn about US$3,700 dollars (£2,200) from selling the 14.5 tonnes of scrap metal that remained of the locomotive. Experts doubt that it could ever be put back together. Metal theft is a serious issue in Ukraine, where statues, wires and even sewage hatches have been stolen for sale as scrap. Just a week before the latest incident, it was reported that thieves had stolen an 11-metre steel bridge in western Ukraine, cutting a local town off from the outside world. For pictures of the tragedy, go to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3520281.stm S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29918	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)

Bob: I didn't write this. I have not posted to the list in months. I always used plaintext in all my email as I preferred it. If someone sent a message with my return address, it is bogus. Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT PERSING To: busyboy@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] :) What is this fellow talking about,I don't understand. Bob busyboy@... wrote: Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) 41513 -- archive password [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29919	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)

It's a message posted by a virus. Attachment has been stripped so it is no threat just annoying. Hard telling where it originated. They harvest e-mail address they find and use them. With out the original header it is not possible to tell who sent it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Chris Zizzo [mailto:busyboy@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:54 AM To: ROBERT PERSING; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] :) Bob: I didn't write this. I have not posted to the list in months. I always used plaintext in all my email as I preferred it. If someone sent a message with my return address, it is bogus. Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT PERSING To: busyboy@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] :) What is this fellow talking about,I don't understand. Bob busyboy@... wrote: Argh, i don't like the plaintext :) 41513 -- archive password [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29920	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)

Carl is probably right, BUT, I just got a notice from Yahoo to confirm that I have unsubscribed from S-Trains. So, whoever sent the message here went through the trouble of attempting to unsubscribe me and that does NOT sound like a virus. It sounds like malicious mischief. Note that they had my e-mail address and my user name. (My posts are configured to list me, not my email address.) This sort of thing could become a big problem if this person does it to others on the list. Paul, are you seeing this? Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29921	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: :)

Chris, It is a virus. The body is a signature. We have list servers here also and it will spoof an unsubscribe and also a subscription. Nasty buggers. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Chris Zizzo [mailto:busyboy@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:25 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] :) Carl is probably right, BUT, I just got a notice from Yahoo to confirm that I have unsubscribed from S-Trains. So, whoever sent the message here went through the trouble of attempting to unsubscribe me and that does NOT sound like a virus. It sounds like malicious mischief. Note that they had my e-mail address and my user name. (My posts are configured to list me, not my email address.) This sort of thing could become a big problem if this person does it to others on the list. Paul, are you seeing this? Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29922	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update

Now ja did it... I'm all the more homesick for my wife's family in Estonia since you mentioned East Europe railroads... Found some links as a result... I looked up that city in google and found pics of the area... http://parovoz.com/newgallery/index.php?LNG=EN®ION=UADO That looked so much like Estonia, and what do ja know, it was in the pick list of options! http://parovoz.com/newgallery/index.php?CATEG=®ION=EE&TAKENON=&AUTHOR=&DESCR=&HOWMANY=30&NCOLS=3&LNG=EN&SHORT=0 Then, on the last page of those, was a direct link into Estonia's main e-card system... right to their railway station pics... http://www.ee/ekaart/Raudteejaamad.html All right.... back to our business plan so we can get some income and visit family (and trains, organs, etc...) once again! Anyway, thought you all would enjoy seeing what trains look like in my other home. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29923	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: BK Truscale Turnouts

Yes, the code 148 on out modular layout. Rather finicky to get right but once set up correctly work well. We figure a couple hours install and debug time per switch. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BK Truscale Turnouts > Has anyone on the list tried the BK Truscale Turnouts with S-Trax? > > The description on the BK website reads, "TRU-SCALE HI-SPEED S SCALE > TURNOUTS FOR HI-RAIL These are closed frog turnouts for use on layouts > where both scale and American Flyer equipment are operated together." > They are available in code 125 and 148. I would expect the code 125 to > match up with the S-Trax. > I'm hoping to put a new layout together with more scale friendly curves > and crossovers. As much as I love my Flyer stuff I'm developing some > Scale tendencies. I have a brand new AM Streamlined K4 that isn't very > fond of my crossover of flyer switches, and it doesn't seem to care for > 19" curves, even though I bought the hi rail version. Any ideas on > tuning the K4 to handle the switches and curves would be appreciated as > well. > Thanks! > > Bill Lange > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29924	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Puget Sound Shows

Gary Chidester wrote: I am planning a trip to Washington state to visit relatives this summer and I remember some talk about two train shows in the Seattle-Tacoma area. I would like to see the shows and visit the family so I need to coordinate. When, where and what were the shows? >>> Gary, the first will be the National Train Show, sponsored by the National Model Railroad Association (NMRA). It will be held at the tail-end of the NMRA National Convention in Seattle. - Dates are Friday, July 9, through Sunday, July 11, 2004. - Location is the Stadium Exhibition Center in downtown Seattle, right between the Seahawks' Stadium and the Mariners' ballfield. - Over 35,000 square feet will be devoted to layouts, in addition to all the booths. Of interest to this list will be the award-winning S layout, "Lookout Junction," of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Idaho. In addition, John Foley will bring the NASG switching layout. Don Thompson from S Helper Service will have several booths, as will Billy Wade from BTS. It'll be a small but mighty S contingent. Please join us! The second show will be the NASG Western Region Convention in Tacoma, July 10-14, 2004. As I understand it, the Inland Empire S Gauge Association of the Pacific Northwest (Spokane-based) will be displaying their layout, along with the Northwest S Scalers from Oregon. Read the Dispatch or go to the NASG website for more info. One way or another, there will be lots of S action in the Puget Sound area this July! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29925	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Scale

"S" and "HO" are close in scale. In HO some people use 1/8" = 1'-0", some use 3.5mm which is the true "HO" scale. Most "HO" works well with Flyer. The difference between 10'-0" in "HO" and 10'-0" in "S" is about 1/2" full size. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29926	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Worried about your trains being stolen? Update

Is there anything that someone will not do for a buck? How sad! John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> > > The locomotive was said to be the first ever built in Soviet Ukraine back in > 1924, so experts could not put a price tag on it. > > But the thieves could have expected to earn about US$3,700 dollars (£2,200) > from selling the 14.5 tonnes of scrap metal that remained of the locomotive. > > Experts doubt that it could ever be put back together. > > Metal theft is a serious issue in Ukraine, where statues, wires and even > sewage hatches have been stolen for sale as scrap. > > Just a week before the latest incident, it was reported that thieves had > stolen an 11-metre steel bridge in western Ukraine, cutting a local town off > from the outside world. > > > For pictures of the tragedy, go to: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3520281.stm > > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29927	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: Scale

Sorry guys......This is wrong....take it from me, as I am an Architect so I work with scales everyday ( Actually I draw everything full size....then print it at a scale I want ....even a football field ) HO is close to 1/8" scale...1/8" = 96'-0" per real 1 foot or too look at it another way at 1/8" scale it takes 96, say box cars to equal 1 real full size car. S is 3/16" scale...3/16" = 64'-0" per real 1 foot or too look at it another way at 3/16" scale it takes 64, say box cars to equal 1 real full size car. Now lets look at 10'-0"...say a 10' man (yes way to tall )..but my point is A 10' man in HO is 1 1/4" tall, and 1 7/8" tall in S....I am ignoring all decimals and rounding to the nearest 1/8".... Should look something like this..see the difference!! X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X S HO But don't forget....you can still use Artistic License............ Bob Conner RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scale > > "S" and "HO" are close in scale. In HO some people use 1/8" = > 1'-0", some use 3.5mm which is the true "HO" scale. Most "HO" works well > with Flyer. The difference between 10'-0" in "HO" and 10'-0" in "S" is > about 1/2" full size. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29928	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: SCALE & MATH

Hi Michael, After all, why be normal? HO scale is even smaller than 1/72. It is 1/87.1 and that does make a difference to the eye. That makes it about 36% smaller than the corresponding part would be in S. For instance, that 10 foot board in HO would be (120 inches divided by 87.1 or) 1.377 inches long. The same board in S is 1.875 inches long. The difference is nearly 1/2 inch. We can see that pretty easily. If, however, you add about 1/4 to 3/8 inch to the bottom floor of a two-story building, the eye will make it seem OK. Walt Disney did the same sort of thing when he built the town in Disneyland. The company carried the concept forward into the current crop of theme parks. When we visit the parks, we do not notice that the upper story of the buildings is significantly shorter than the lower story. It works the same way on our railroads. Good Luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:44 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] SCALE & MATH Thanks for the info. So from what I got the smaller an object say a 55 gal oil drum in 1/64th & 1/72nd they would be hard to tell the difference by eye. Where a larger item say a Tank car is much easier to see. Even a 10ft 2x4 would be hard to tell them apart if they were not next to each other. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this why an HO building is easy to adapt to S if it is a bit larger than true 1/74th? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29929	From: Tim	Date: 3/3/2004
Subject: Re: SCALE & MATH

Foreshortening of perspective is not a new concept, as you have pointed out. It was done at least as far back as the Greeks and Romans on their S gauge model RR layouts. Okay, well, in their paintings, then. More recently, Hollywood has long mastered the art although the first attempts look crude by today's standards. A Google search on " perspective and foreshortening" may prove to be enlightening to some. Hope this enlightens! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-TRAINS@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SCALE & MATH Hi Michael, After all, why be normal? HO scale is even smaller than 1/72. It is 1/87.1 and that does make a difference to the eye. That makes it about 36% smaller than the corresponding part would be in S. For instance, that 10 foot board in HO would be (120 inches divided by 87.1 or) 1.377 inches long. The same board in S is 1.875 inches long. The difference is nearly 1/2 inch. We can see that pretty easily. If, however, you add about 1/4 to 3/8 inch to the bottom floor of a two-story building, the eye will make it seem OK. Walt Disney did the same sort of thing when he built the town in Disneyland. The company carried the concept forward into the current crop of theme parks. When we visit the parks, we do not notice that the upper story of the buildings is significantly shorter than the lower story. It works the same way on our railroads. Good Luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:44 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] SCALE & MATH Thanks for the info. So from what I got the smaller an object say a 55 gal oil drum in 1/64th & 1/72nd they would be hard to tell the difference by eye. Where a larger item say a Tank car is much easier to see. Even a 10ft 2x4 would be hard to tell them apart if they were not next to each other. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this why an HO building is easy to adapt to S if it is a bit larger than true 1/74th? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29930	From: steve	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????

This is what I just recived in my mail. Is this from that virus thats being mentioned? It seems to have a gif file attached to it in the message i got but, I havnt opened it and obviously omitted that portion to post here. Dear user of Geocities.com gateway e-mail server, Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of unauthorized access. For more information see the attached file. In order to read the attach you have to use the following password: xxxxxx Sincerely, The Geocities.com team

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29931	From: steve	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????

This is what I just recived in my mail. Is this from that virus thats being mentioned? It seems to have a gif file attached to it in the message i got but, I havnt opened it and obviously omitted that portion to post here. Dear user of Geocities.com gateway e-mail server, Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of unauthorized access. For more information see the attached file. In order to read the attach you have to use the following password: xxxxxx Sincerely, The Geocities.com team

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29932	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ???????????

There are a couple of viruses out there now that are sending these messages. They will vary in content but look important. All will have an atachment some will have a pasword in the message. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT! They will have a message about your E-mail account and a signature from your Domain name looking like an official E-mail. Netsky and Bagle are having a Virus War and it is only going to get worse. Be careful what you open. Carl -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:bullwinkl.geo@...] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ??????????? This is what I just recived in my mail. Is this from that virus thats being mentioned? It seems to have a gif file attached to it in the message i got but, I havnt opened it and obviously omitted that portion to post here. Dear user of Geocities.com gateway e-mail server, Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of unauthorized access. For more information see the attached file. In order to read the attach you have to use the following password: xxxxxx Sincerely, The Geocities.com team S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29933	From: john.kernan@kodak.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Remaining LTI-AF Collection Items For Sale

List Members, The following items, all NOB, remain from a collection of LTI-AF items I'm in the process of divesting: Item # Description: Price: 9700 ATSF Boxcar (w/o door nibs) $60 9701 RI Boxcar $35 9702 B&O Sentinel Boxcar $40 9704 SRR Boxcar $35 9705 PRR Boxcar $55 9708 Conrail Boxcar $40 9713 NYC Boxcar $40 48205 1997 NASG PFE Reefer $55 48302 CP Boxcar $30 48303 Chessie Boxcar $35 48305 Wabash Boxcar $30 48308 MEC Boxcar $75 48312 MP Eagle Boxcar $60 48313 BAR State of ME Boxcar $60 48316 BAR Reefer $45 48317 Rath Reefer $45 48318 AC Gilbert Boxcar $40 48319 1993 Xmas Boxcar $40 48320 NKP Boxcar $35 48321 1994 Xmas Boxcar $40 48322 NH Boxcar $35 48323 1995 Xmas Boxcar $35 48324 AF 50th Anniversary Boxcar $40 48325 1996 "Holiday" Boxcar" $35 48327 1997 Xmas Boxcar $45 48328 GN Boxcar $40 48329 ATSF Boxcar $35 48330 PRR Boxcar $40 48332 MKT Boxcar $35 48333 BAR State of ME Boxcar $50 48334 SAL Boxcar $35 48405 Shell Single Dome Tank Car $45 48482 1993 TCA GN Boxcar $75 48802 PRR Reefer $35 48807 NKP Reefer $35 175883 1983 TTCS NYC Pacemaker Boxcar $150 Please contact me offline with any inquiries. Thanks, John Kernan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29934	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled ?

Steve, Yep, just another typical virus scam. Your email got through to the list ok, so it is obviously not disabled, no? I have received similar messages with my email server named. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: steve <bullwinkl.geo@...> > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:08:12 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled > ??????????? > > This is what I just recived in my mail. Is this from that virus thats > being mentioned? It seems to have a gif file attached to it in the > message i got but, I havnt opened it and obviously omitted that > portion to post here. > > Dear user of Geocities.com gateway e-mail server, > > Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of > unauthorized access. > > For more information see the attached file. > > In order to read the attach you have to use the following > password: xxxxxx > > Sincerely, > The Geocities.com team > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29935	From: David Engle	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled???????????

OK, guys, there was a real one in the area about 2 weeks ago; and I was affected by it, this is where Yahoo and Road Runner together were the problem; anyone with a RR ISP was cut off from Yahoo group messages around midnight on 2-20, and restored over the weekend. I did a click-back response which SEEMED to be the restoring factor. However, I have ignored all others, simply because there were addresses in them that I did not know and that was enough to skip or delete them as you should with any others. -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:47 AM To: S-Trains Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled??????????? Steve, Yep, just another typical virus scam. Your email got through to the list ok, so it is obviously not disabled, no? I have received similar messages with my email server named. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: steve <bullwinkl.geo@...> > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:08:12 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled > ??????????? > > This is what I just recived in my mail. Is this from that virus thats > being mentioned? It seems to have a gif file attached to it in the > message i got but, I havnt opened it and obviously omitted that > portion to post here. > > Dear user of Geocities.com gateway e-mail server, > > Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of > unauthorized access. > > For more information see the attached file. > > In order to read the attach you have to use the following > password: xxxxxx > > Sincerely, > The Geocities.com team > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29936	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: ebay scam

Hi All, Today I received an email that looked like it was sent by ebay. It asked me to verify my ID. I forwarded it to Spoof@... and they have suggested that it is a scam. Don't respond to these requests. Forward all questionable emails referencing ebay to the email address above. Seems like we are being attacked from all sides. ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29937	From: keefer1	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

There is also one claiming to come from paypal.keith --- Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Today I received an email that looked like it was > sent by > ebay. It asked me to verify my ID. I forwarded it to > Spoof@... and they have suggested that it is a > scam. > > Don't respond to these requests. Forward all > questionable > emails referencing ebay to the email address above. > > Seems like we are being attacked from all sides. > ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29938	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

If you receive one claiming to come from PayPal, also forward it to spoof@... ...Barb keefer1 wrote: > There is also one claiming to come from paypal.keith > --- Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Today I received an email that looked like it was > > sent by > > ebay. It asked me to verify my ID. I forwarded it to > > Spoof@... and they have suggested that it is a > > scam. > > > > Don't respond to these requests. Forward all > > questionable > > emails referencing ebay to the email address above. > > > > Seems like we are being attacked from all sides. > > ...Barb > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29939	From: keefer1	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

There is also one claiming to come from paypal.keith --- Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Today I received an email that looked like it was > sent by > ebay. It asked me to verify my ID. I forwarded it to > Spoof@... and they have suggested that it is a > scam. > > Don't respond to these requests. Forward all > questionable > emails referencing ebay to the email address above. > > Seems like we are being attacked from all sides. > ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29940	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

Good point - these are getting very sneaky. Many of the links in the email do indeed go to ebay.com (or paypal.com) but usually there is one CRITICAL one that goes to an IP Address vs ebay.com, and THAT is the BAD one. Often in the HTML EMail they even do some JavaScript mouseover events so that when you put your mouse on the link it shows up in your status bar as going to ebay.com when it really doesn't. Usually the english is bad in the message - one good clue. Somehow they manage to send the email through ebay's email server which baffles me.... or at least the server they send it from is accepting emails with forged path headers. So much fun out there! EBay is very good about their spoof email address. I contacted PayPal's about a spoof PayPal server and never heard back from them. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29941	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

> Usually the english is bad in the message - one good clue. The very poor English and spelling is ON PURPOSE... Firewalls and things of this type, like Spam blockers look for certain words and phrases for blocking....Don't get upset....but if you spell sex it is thrown out and won't go thru.... but if you spell it ZEX.... Here is another... Easily losse weiight without diieting These people are very smart and this is a way around it.... And another.....watch out for "Question from seller" about shipping costs from somebody.... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29942	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

Also E-BAY & Paypal NEVER start a letter to you by saying: Dear Member. I've gotten a; lot of theses & report them to spoof @ E-BAY & Spoof @ Paypal. Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29943	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Can motor installations

We have received many inquiries regarding the pulling ability and reliability of our Baldwin and Diesel motor conversions. It appears that there have been attempts in the past that did not work out. Here is an email we received yesterday from one of our customers regarding a 370 GEEP that we installed a motor and a Dallee reverse unit in. Steve SnS Trains Boise WOW, What a great engine! Your workmanship was outstanding. The performance of the Geep is just great. I hooked 21 freight cars before it even acted like it was pulling anything, and that was on floor laying AF rubber roadbed track. Thanks again. Jerry Harper [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29944	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Ebay response

Hi all, As a follow up, here is the formal response I received from Ebay ...Barb << Hello, Thank you for contacting eBay's Trust and Safety Department about email solicitations that are falsely made to appear to have come from eBay. These emails, commonly referred to as "spoof" messages, are sent in an attempt to collect sensitive personal information from recipients who reply to the message or click on a link to a Web page requesting this information. The email you reported did not originate from, nor is it endorsed by, eBay. We are very concerned about this problem and are working diligently to address the situation. We are currently investigating the source of this email to take further action. You may rest assured that your account standing has not changed and that your listings have not been affected. We advise you to be very cautious of email messages that ask you to submit information such as your credit card number or your email password. eBay will never ask you for sensitive personal information such as passwords, bank account or credit card numbers, Personal Identification Numbers (PINs), or Social Security numbers in an email itself. If you ever need to provide information to eBay please open a new Web browser, type www.ebay.com, and click on the "site map" link located at the top of the page to access the eBay page you need. If you have any doubt about whether an email message is from eBay, please forward it immediately to spoof@... and do not respond to it or click on any of the links in the email message. Please do not change the subject line or forward the email as an attachment. If you entered personal information such as your password, social security number or credit card numbers into a Website based on a request from a spoofed email, you need to take immediate action to protect your identity. We have developed an eBay Help page with valuable information regarding the steps you should take to protect yourself. To get to the "Protecting Your Identity" Help page from the eBay site, please click on the "help" link located at the top of most eBay pages and select the following topics when the "eBay Help Center" window appears: Safe Trading > If Something Goes Wrong > Identity Theft We encourage you to review additional information about protecting your identity found in the eBay Help system. Please click on the "help" link located at the top of most eBay pages and select the following topics when the "eBay Help Center" window appears: Safe Trading > If Something Goes Wrong& > Account Theft > Account Protection Once again, thank you for alerting us to the spoof email you received. Your vigilance helps us ensure that eBay remains a safe and vibrant online marketplace. Regards, Ian eBay SafeHarbor>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29945	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay scam

I too keep getting them about my PayPal account. I know it's a scam, because I do't have a PayPal account.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29946	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

I got both of them sent both to spoof@... Bob keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote:There is also one claiming to come from paypal.keith --- Barbara Rudnicki wrote: > Hi All, > > Today I received an email that looked like it was > sent by > ebay. It asked me to verify my ID. I forwarded it to > Spoof@... and they have suggested that it is a > scam. > > Don't respond to these requests. Forward all > questionable > emails referencing ebay to the email address above. > > Seems like we are being attacked from all sides. > ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29947	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: Lionel AF Baldwins

The Fedex truck pulled up today and delivered by two new Lionel AF Baldwins (Santa Fe & Seaboard). They are very nice and I hope they run as good as they look. First chance I will get is this weekend. Has anybody else received theirs and what was your reaction to looks and running.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29948	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/4/2004
Subject: AF 21140 questions

Hello everyone! I am looking for some info on this engine. The date stamped inside the boiler on mine has much larger letters than say earlier loco's that I have seen. Does this seem to be authentic?( 3 60 ) Also, do the plastic centre's on the drivers tolerate being removed and installed again on to the axle's like the regular steel centred wheels? Looks like they might break, if one is not careful. Has anyone ever seen the plastic tender shell version? And finally,(Whew!) has the tender of this loco ever come with the whistle speaker in it?(like the 21139) Thanx in advance Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29949	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions

Al, I have never taken the plastic wheels off their axles, as all you do is unscrew the bottom chassis half, and the wheels and axles drop out for servicing! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29950	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions

Hi David...unfortunately it has a solid chassis Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 21140 questions > Al, > I have never taken the plastic wheels off their axles, as all you do is > unscrew the bottom chassis half, and the wheels and axles drop out for > servicing! > S' > David D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29951	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: AF 21140 questions

Hi David....unfortunately is has a solid chassis Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 21140 questions > Al, > I have never taken the plastic wheels off their axles, as all you do is > unscrew the bottom chassis half, and the wheels and axles drop out for > servicing! > S' > David D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29952	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.

Hi All, The house closes escrow today. This will be my LAST posting from this house. As the new house is still a mess, and I still don't know where I will be able to set up the computer--AND be near a phone line, it may be a few days before I'm back on line. I will likely miss chat Sunday too--RATS! For those that want to see our "new" place, go to: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm Now for the withdrawal symptoms to begin, So Long for now! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29953	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.

**((((I still don't know where I will be able to set up the computer--AND be near a phone line, it may be a few days before I'm back on line. I will likely miss chat Sunday too--RATS! ))*** WHAAAAAAT???? The computer should be in place, hooked up, ready to go....even BEFORE the fridge is plugged in and filled up!!!!!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29954	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Model Railroader

>Hi Folks > I got a call from Denny Hamilton from Model Railroader, >Great news, in the upcoming July issue there will be a six page >article with foldout about Jesse Bennett's S scale layout. > This will be great exposure for S scale model railroading. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29955	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal

The factory and factory authorized repair centers recommend discarding any and all remove wheels. Replacing a used wheel will enlarge the wheel center. Wheels remain loose and will come off. Which leads to many suggestions on how to replace used wheels, long after the supplies have run out. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: Good by for now--the move is finally ON.

David........GOOD LUCK..........My best wishes on a HAPPY HOUSEWARMING....Since your puter isn't up....and you are out west........Smoke Signals???? will look westward Sunday!!!!!! Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Good by for now--the move is finally ON. > Hi All, > The house closes escrow today. This will be my LAST posting from this > house. As the new house is still a mess, and I still don't know where I will > be able to set up the computer--AND be near a phone line, it may be a few > days before I'm back on line. I will likely miss chat Sunday too--RATS! For > those that want to see our "new" place, go to: > http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm > > Now for the withdrawal symptoms to begin, So Long for now! > > S'incerely, > David Dewey > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29957	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Baldwins

I just purchased the Lionel Baldwin's. They respond well. They have difficulty getting through the Gilbert switches. My switches are not prefect, however. It is my understanding they are VO660. What is the difference between the 660 and 1000? That is except for horsepower. Exhaust, what? Marvin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29958	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Model Railroader

Excellent work! Congratulations to all concerned. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29959	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 7, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29960	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal

Hi Jerry....I guess the next question is, where does one find "new" wheel centres for this and other similar loco's(21130,21088R, 21089R)? Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wheel removal > > The factory and factory authorized repair centers recommend > discarding any and all remove wheels. Replacing a used wheel will enlarge > the wheel center. Wheels remain loose and will come off. Which leads to > many suggestions on how to replace used wheels, long after the supplies > have run out. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29961	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: wheel removal

Hi Jerry....I suppose that the plastic(nylon?) wheel centres/hubs are presumably obsolete. Right? ;>) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wheel removal > > The factory and factory authorized repair centers recommend > discarding any and all remove wheels. Replacing a used wheel will enlarge > the wheel center. Wheels remain loose and will come off. Which leads to > many suggestions on how to replace used wheels, long after the supplies > have run out. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29962	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Why anyone would....

never unpack a train since 1948, how sad. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179768321&category=480 Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29963	From: starr007	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: A.F. 963 chassis

Greetings, Does anyone have a complete 963 frame with trucks for sale? I would like to have one with good trucks and in good condition if possible! You may contact me at starr007@.... Thanks in advance, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29964	From: Steve Roche	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: acknowledgements

I have seen several posts over the last few weeks disparaging some of our members. Not wanting to flame anyone, I would rather acknowledge some of our members who I feel who deserve our thanks. - Paul Yorke- as our moderator he has done a wonderful job. His web site is the start of all s scale action. -Doug Peck- Doug has gotten a lot a grief over the past few months. After being in the hobby for 18 years and shopped all of the S vendors I settled on Port Lines. Doug has done me a great job and he is my sole source mail order vendor. -David Dewey- a frequent contributor, he also is great to pass info off line. His insight about his personal goings on makes him feel like an old friend. He has helped me a lot. -Tom Jarcho- Tom is another frequent contributor. This guy took the time and sent me the required scematic by snail mail. -Bob Connor- as am engineer I Idenify with Bob, the architect, I have enjoyed his posts and he was so gracios on providing me an insight to York -Mark Preman- the list sponsor- an unsung hero, I have bought from him more than once and have had great results. There are many more that I could acknowledge and enjoy reading, but it is late here and time to go. Steve Roche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29965	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2004
Subject: Re: acknowledgements

Well put Steve! I also receive valuable information from the guys on this list and would rather talk and interact with others on the list in a constructive way. I am hoping to meet Doug Peck and others at York this coming April. I have really been into AF since 1984, and am still learning a thing or two here and there. This is a great way to get to know others methods and technique's in running/repairing old Flyer. This is a great hobby, let us continue to encourage and learn from one another....Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Roche" <srochepe@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] acknowledgements > I have seen several posts over the last few weeks disparaging some of our members. Not wanting to flame anyone, I would rather acknowledge some of our members who I feel who deserve our thanks. > - Paul Yorke- as our moderator he has done a wonderful job. His web site is the start of all s scale action. > -Doug Peck- Doug has gotten a lot a grief over the past few months. After being in the hobby for 18 years and shopped all of the S vendors I settled on Port Lines. Doug has done me a great job and he is my sole source mail order vendor. > -David Dewey- a frequent contributor, he also is great to pass info off line. His insight about his personal goings on makes him feel like an old friend. He has helped me a lot. > -Tom Jarcho- Tom is another frequent contributor. This guy took the time and sent me the required scematic by snail mail. > -Bob Connor- as am engineer I Idenify with Bob, the architect, I have enjoyed his posts and he was so gracios on providing me an insight to York > -Mark Preman- the list sponsor- an unsung hero, I have bought from him more than once and have had great results. > There are many more that I could acknowledge and enjoy reading, but it is late here and time to go. Steve Roche > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29966	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Turnout question

I acquired a pair of "S" turnouts. They are about 14" long. Looks like it might be a # 8 switch. The ties are plastic and the whole bottom is plastic. The rails are very much like af Gilbert rail I don't know what the rail in the throw (frog) is made off. The switch machines are NJ international Inc. So with that information, who made these switches? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29967	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....

Michael, There are many reasons why you may still find a train set unused after 50 years. A few years ago I bought a mint Royal Blue set from 1948. The original owner bought the set just before his wife gave birth in December 1948. He was expecting a son but they had a daughter instead. It was their only child. He never set the trains up at Christmas and the set was put away in the attic for over 40 years. Another find of new trains was sold from a Mom and Pop hardware store that stood shuttered for 23 years. The man passed away and his wife tried to run the store alone but it was too much for her. Because of the memories she could not sell the store and it was not liquidated until after she died. Instead of saying "how sad", we as train aficionados should marvel at the fact that after 50 years there are still mint trains. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29968	From: Carl	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: TRUE backbone of the list

Hi all,There was a perfunctory attempt made to identify individuals who have made significant contributions to the well-being of the S-List. The problem with identifying a few is that it ignores the contributions made by quite a lot of members over the years. Members who constitute the TRUE backbone of this list. Guys - you know who you are. I can't and won't begin to start naming names for fear of leaving someone out. To you guys I say BRAVO! BRAVO! You are the TRUE backbone of this list. Save for you, there would be no diversified list. Respectfully submitted,Carl Miller _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29969	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....

Hi Jim, I believe you have uncovered a sad, but all too true commentary of our social structure. In the anecdote you wrote about, it's a pity the child born was "only a girl" (my words). Why couldn't the proud parents have given that girl a chance to be everything that she could have been by presenting her with the train set? I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on us as a society back then. Hopefully we have progressed beyond that by now. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwoodies1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... Michael, There are many reasons why you may still find a train set unused after 50 years. A few years ago I bought a mint Royal Blue set from 1948. The original owner bought the set just before his wife gave birth in December 1948. He was expecting a son but they had a daughter instead. It was their only child. He never set the trains up at Christmas and the set was put away in the attic for over 40 years. Another find of new trains was sold from a Mom and Pop hardware store that stood shuttered for 23 years. The man passed away and his wife tried to run the store alone but it was too much for her. Because of the memories she could not sell the store and it was not liquidated until after she died. Instead of saying "how sad", we as train aficionados should marvel at the fact that after 50 years there are still mint trains. Jim Duncan S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29970	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement

A wheel puller can be constructed from a $.99 auto battery puller. Depending on the condition of the wheel center, reset the wheel with a "thread lock" or similar material, super glue doesn't work that well. careful not to glue the wheel to the frame. Larger wheel center damage requires using a thin brass shim all around the axle. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29971	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....

I just got a brand new HO Flyer set...the guy had found a box of 3 unopened....its the 30320 set made in 1957....We both have only lifted the lid to see if everything was there.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... > Michael, There are many reasons why you may still find a train set > unused after 50 years. A few years ago I bought a mint Royal Blue > set from 1948. The original owner bought the set just before his > wife gave birth in December 1948. He was expecting a son but they > had a daughter instead. It was their only child. He never set the > trains up at Christmas and the set was put away in the attic for over > 40 years. > Another find of new trains was sold from a Mom and Pop hardware > store that stood shuttered for 23 years. The man passed away and his > wife tried to run the store alone but it was too much for her. > Because of the memories she could not sell the store and it was not > liquidated until after she died. > Instead of saying "how sad", we as train aficionados should marvel > at the fact that after 50 years there are still mint trains. > Jim Duncan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29972	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: YORK........

GUYS and A GAL.... I will be in York starting Tuesday am at the Super 8 motel....I am driving up and will have a full size car ( Figure I will need one to bring my stuff, and Barbs back to Fla. in! ) Since I will be alone maybe a couple of you might like to ride around York with me....Barb....U R #1 on the list!!!! On tue and wed, I go to all the meets, on thur I go to all the meets and in the afternoon I go over to the TCA museum...dinner at the Good and Plenty.... Friday to the fairgrounds at 7:30...to get a close place to park by the Blue hall.... I know my way around quite well....let me know...as you all know...parking can be a BEAR at times.... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29973	From: steve	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: TRUE backbone of the list

In another tired stooper I write this message, Id'e like to think that I am an intergral part of this group now and since were useing body parts to describe our roles, ... well I'm not really a body part more the tape worm in your stomech, but i'm sure glad to be here. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl" <block_house@e...> wrote: > > > Hi all,There was a perfunctory attempt made to identify individuals who have made significant contributions to the well-being of the S- List. The problem with identifying a few is that it ignores the contributions made by quite a lot of members over the years. Members who constitute the TRUE backbone of this list. Guys - you know who you are. I can't and won't begin to start naming names for fear of leaving someone out. To you guys I say BRAVO! BRAVO! You are the TRUE backbone of this list. Save for you, there would be no diversified list. Respectfully submitted,Carl Miller > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29974	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....

Hey GUYS!!!!!!!!!! Remember we have one very neat Lady who was allowed to play with the trains when she was A child!!!!! .....along with her brothers....No one but her wanted the 324 set so she got it...Well the bug bit HARD....she now has a 3 car garage full of Flyer....with more coming....Go to Pauls site and look at Barbs Layout....It will probably be in CTT later this year.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... > Hi Jim, > > I believe you have uncovered a sad, but all too true commentary of our social structure. In the anecdote you wrote about, it's a pity the child born was "only a girl" (my words). Why couldn't the proud parents have given that girl a chance to be everything that she could have been by presenting her with the train set? I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on us as a society back then. Hopefully we have progressed beyond that by now. > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kenwoodies1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:03 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... > > > Michael, There are many reasons why you may still find a train set > unused after 50 years. A few years ago I bought a mint Royal Blue > set from 1948. The original owner bought the set just before his > wife gave birth in December 1948. He was expecting a son but they > had a daughter instead. It was their only child. He never set the > trains up at Christmas and the set was put away in the attic for over > 40 years. > Another find of new trains was sold from a Mom and Pop hardware > store that stood shuttered for 23 years. The man passed away and his > wife tried to run the store alone but it was too much for her. > Because of the memories she could not sell the store and it was not > liquidated until after she died. > Instead of saying "how sad", we as train aficionados should marvel > at the fact that after 50 years there are still mint trains. > Jim Duncan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29975	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement

I've made one like that. The tines that are made from low carbon steel have to be ground down so thin, they are not strong enough any more. After it broke, I ponied up and bought a REAL one. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement A wheel puller can be constructed from a $.99 auto battery puller. Depending on the condition of the wheel center, reset the wheel with a "thread lock" or similar material, super glue doesn't work that well. careful not to glue the wheel to the frame. Larger wheel center damage requires using a thin brass shim all around the axle. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29976	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: TRUE backbone of the list

At 08:29 AM 3/6/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi all,There was a perfunctory attempt made to identify individuals who >have made significant contributions to the well-being of the S-List. The >problem with identifying a few is that it ignores the contributions made >by quite a lot of members over the years. Members who constitute the TRUE >backbone of this list. Guys - you know who you are. I can't and won't >begin to start naming names for fear of leaving someone out. To you guys >I say BRAVO! BRAVO! You are the TRUE backbone of this list. Save for >you, there would be no diversified list. Respectfully submitted,Carl Miller Carl, I agree with your sentiments exactly. Although, some here have had their ideas expressly forbidden, I believe, only through diversity can we all take major steps forward. With your permission, I would like to use some of your remarks and comments for my website. Yours truly, D.D. (Let Freedom Riing)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29977	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Barb's Layout

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:56:02 -0500, robert allen conner wrote: >It will probably be >in CTT later this year.... oooohhhhh, congrads Barb! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29978	From: Bill Roberts	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: New List Member

I am just getting back into Flyer after many years of it being stored in boxes at my parents home. I have a couple questions: Where is the best place to get replacement parts? What is the best place to get repair tips? Thanks in advance. Bill Roberts __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29979	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: New List Member

Welcome Bill!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29980	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Un-claimed Photo Albums

Gerry, Thomas Hawley, Carolinas Division (ACSG) , and Mike Leahy If I don't hear from you guys this week, I will assume you don't want the album space I set up for you. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29981	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: YORK........

While you are running around to the meets stop in and see me at the fire hall and the orange hall. Bob robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote:GUYS and A GAL.... I will be in York starting Tuesday am at the Super 8 motel....I am driving up and will have a full size car ( Figure I will need one to bring my stuff, and Barbs back to Fla. in! ) Since I will be alone maybe a couple of you might like to ride around York with me....Barb....U R #1 on the list!!!! On tue and wed, I go to all the meets, on thur I go to all the meets and in the afternoon I go over to the TCA museum...dinner at the Good and Plenty.... Friday to the fairgrounds at 7:30...to get a close place to park by the Blue hall.... I know my way around quite well....let me know...as you all know...parking can be a BEAR at times.... Bob RCON7 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29982	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement

Thanx Jerry for the info. I'm not going to do anything as of yet, but believe it or not, the front set of drivers on this 21140 seems to have more play in the chassis than I have seen before on any AF steamer. I was thinking that I might be doing a bushing job on that axle. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement > > A wheel puller can be constructed from a $.99 auto battery > puller. > Depending on the condition of the wheel center, reset the wheel > with a "thread lock" or similar material, super glue doesn't work that > well. careful not to glue the wheel to the frame. Larger wheel center > damage requires using a thin brass shim all around the axle. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29983	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: New List Member

WELCOME BILL! You hit the jackpot for finding answers for those questions. If you pick up a current issue of Sgaugian magazine, there are many reputabe parts dealers advertising in there. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Roberts" <bill_roberts_1961@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New List Member > I am just getting back into Flyer after many years of > it being stored in boxes at my parents home. > > I have a couple questions: > > Where is the best place to get replacement parts? > > What is the best place to get repair tips? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bill Roberts > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29984	From: waldootten	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Need help -- AM smoke unit

I have my American Models streamlined 4-6-2 Pennsy apart on my bench right now, smoke unit apart. Hit the floor from 48 inches up today, fortunately no major damage as it landed on thick carpet. All except the smoke unit are working, and it's a broken connection. No big deal there, I've done many AF smoke unit rebuilds. It worked great until the dadgum thing took a quick ride straight down. The burning question: How is the nichrome wire attached to the bottom of the smoke unit cover leads on the AM locos? On the red wire (going in) side, still intact, there is about one-quarter inch of wire exposed before it starts to wrap around the wick. On the blue side, no previous connection (like the quarter inch on the other side) is visible -- and even using a magnifying glass (53 year- old eyes) I can't see any length of wire coming off the final wrap that would have connected to the other side lead (blue wire). As unlikely as it sounds, could this have been soldered directly to the bottom of the lead-in on the cover? And the wick is cut pretty short, too, compared to AF smokers -- and considering the depth of the smoke fluid storage chamber, I don't see how any part of the short wick would touch the very bottom of the resevoir. How is the wick supposed to be positioned in the reservoir? Thanks in advance -- I know someone on this list has had one of these open already and knows the answer. To my knowledge, no one has exploded views of AM locos online, and the AM website is no help here. As an aside, the AM design for the smoke and chug features isn't that much different from A.C. Gilbert's design -- no new wrinkles in technolgy that has held up for soooo many years. Phil K Getting ready to make plexiglass guards for my layout table.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29985	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2203

In a message dated 3/6/04 7:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:53:24 -0600 > From: "Steve Roche" <srochepe@...> > Subject: acknowledgements > I also would like to personally thank all of these fine people. Unfortunately, unless I meet most of them at a future trip to York, I will be unable to. I would also like to add one member that does the info, help,etc. because he loves the hobby. This is Nick Colleran, who is a frequent contributor, when he feels compelled to add something to the subject and I am glad to call him a personal friend of mine. Also, kudos to Joe Haenn, a friend and member of the train club with us. Thanks to all of y'all. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29986	From: Alex	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Train trip

Just came back from a 14-day excursion to and from Seattle, by train, of course. My wife and I traveled on the AMTRAK Empire Builder, after connecting with it in Chicago using two trains, one from Boston and the second out of Rennselear, NY. The Empire Builder followed much of the Great Northern railway route. Lots of fun. It was great to see so much railroading history along the way, although much of it was---sadly---seen in decaying buildings, sidings, rolling stock, etc. On the upside, we went through the 7-mile long Flathead Tunnel near Whitefish, Montana, crossed a high trestle at Essex, and saw a beautiful well-kept oil-fired 4-8-4 Northern on display at the station in Havre, Montana. Now I know why I love my 336 AF "Challenger" so much! Other high points included the run across the Continental Divide, replete with snow sheds and many tunnels, watching the wildlife (antelopes, deer, wild turkeys, and lots of bald eagles), and a run through the Cascade Mountains during the daytime. I hope to have some digital photos ready soon. Alex in Maine http://users.adelphia.net/~alexmm/ai2q.htm .-.-.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29987	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements

There has been much said about him and her helping....There are just too many to name.... There are something 750 people on this list ( Yes I have rounded it off ).....There are 749 that will help at the drop of the hat.....and 1 old phlator who just loves American Flyer....Me ....Helping and information is what its all about!!... I would also like to invite all of you, new members too, to join us on Sunday Night Chat....See the info Paul sends out.. Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29988	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Trains wheel replacement

Guys....I made 1 in 1982....I ground down the jaws, but I drilled a hole in the end of the threaded part to accept a cut off nail...glued it in.....Still works great....Maybe that was back in the days when they were still made in the USA? Bob RCON7 > I've made one like that. The tines that are made from low carbon steel have to be ground down so thin, they are not strong enough any more. After it broke, I ponied up and bought a REAL one. > A wheel puller can be constructed from a $.99 auto battery > puller.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29989	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: wheel replacement

I made one from a battery terminal puller that lasted for years. Also, there was an excellent post about making one from a faucet handle puller, and I am happy with that one too. I also have an original Lionel wheel puller that is too large for most AF jobs. But the battery terminal pullers are so cheap that you can make a puller and grind it just to fit one particular job. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29990	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements

***(((There are something 750 people on this list )))*** Ooooooo.....sorry! So close! 866 !! Some rounding job! Tell him what he DIDN'T win Johnny!!! Thanks for playing!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29991	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: plastic drive wheel numbers

Speaking of 21140 wheels, does anyone have the part numbers for the plastic drive wheels used on the last Gilbert steam locomotives? There should be at least 3: pulmor, plain, and studded. I think that these parts would not be all that hard to find if needed. Thanks for your help. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29992	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Acknowledgements

Rick....I said I was rounding off...to the nearest 250?....Feeling really great....just got back from Wyoming, Idaho, Montana...The only tracks I saw were Snowmobile tracks....and a Railroad row that had the rails removed....I think the ties were still under the SNOW !!!!!.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Acknowledgements > ***(((There are something 750 people on this list )))*** > > Ooooooo.....sorry! So close! 866 !! > Some rounding job! > Tell him what he DIDN'T win Johnny!!! > Thanks for playing!! ;^) > > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29993	From: Tim	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: wheel replacement

Back when steel was steel. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] wheel replacement I made one from a battery terminal puller that lasted for years. Also, there was an excellent post about making one from a faucet handle puller, and I am happy with that one too. I also have an original Lionel wheel puller that is too large for most AF jobs. But the battery terminal pullers are so cheap that you can make a puller and grind it just to fit one particular job. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29994	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/6/2004
Subject: Re: Why anyone would....

Bob, SShhhhh, don't say that so loud or Rick will give me a hard time about getting a big head over the layout being featured in CTT. By the way, it will be in the Spring of '05. I agree, letting gals play with the trains is a good thing. I have an older brother and am thrilled I got the train. After that there was no stopping me. One of my layout's biggest fan's is a little 5 year old girl. She can be seen in my layout pics. Speaking of photos, I am sorry I haven't posted new ones. I know I have been promising. But new photos are being taken 3/18. If I can get some software by then, I'll post them that night. Thanks for the compliment, Bob ...Barb robert allen conner wrote: > Hey GUYS!!!!!!!!!! Remember we have one very neat Lady who was allowed to > play with the trains when she was A child!!!!! .....along with her > brothers....No one but her wanted the 324 set so she got it...Well the bug > bit HARD....she now has a 3 car garage full of Flyer....with more > coming....Go to Pauls site and look at Barbs Layout....It will probably be > in CTT later this year.... Bob RCON7 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I believe you have uncovered a sad, but all too true commentary of our > social structure. In the anecdote you wrote about, it's a pity the child > born was "only a girl" (my words). Why couldn't the proud parents have > given that girl a chance to be everything that she could have been by > presenting her with the train set? I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on > us as a society back then. Hopefully we have progressed beyond that by now. > > > > Tim Brown > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kenwoodies1 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:03 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why anyone would.... > > > > > > Michael, There are many reasons why you may still find a train set > > unused after 50 years. A few years ago I bought a mint Royal Blue > > set from 1948. The original owner bought the set just before his > > wife gave birth in December 1948. He was expecting a son but they > > had a daughter instead. It was their only child. He never set the > > trains up at Christmas and the set was put away in the attic for over > > 40 years. > > Another find of new trains was sold from a Mom and Pop hardware > > store that stood shuttered for 23 years. The man passed away and his > > wife tried to run the store alone but it was too much for her. > > Because of the memories she could not sell the store and it was not > > liquidated until after she died. > > Instead of saying "how sad", we as train aficionados should marvel > > at the fact that after 50 years there are still mint trains. > > Jim Duncan > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29995	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: 963 CONVERSION

Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using an old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29996	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Michael - What about the Beetle power trucks from PA Heritage? Dick Aurora, OH At 11:44 AM 3/7/2004, anormal1@... wrote: > Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using an >old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike > >ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29997	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Hi Dick, Didn't know about them. Do they also carry a "WHIP" I guess that's what it would be called for overhead elect PU? They reason for the 355 is that I already have a beat up one. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29998	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

See http://www.paheritagemodels.com/black_beetle.htm I suggest them because they are totally underfloor if you want to detail the interior. Dick Aurora, OH At 12:00 PM 3/7/2004, Anormal1@... wrote: >Hi Dick, > Didn't know about them. Do they also carry a "WHIP" I guess > that's what it would be called for overhead elect PU? They reason for the > 355 is that I already have a beat up one. Mike > >ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID >Michael Strickland >211 Summit Ave. >Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 29999	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers

I've got a dozen of the pulmor kind (without bands) and they are PA-14C909. If anyone is interested contact me off-list. jarcho@... wrote:Speaking of 21140 wheels, does anyone have the part numbers for the plastic drive wheels used on the last Gilbert steam locomotives? There should be at least 3: pulmor, plain, and studded. I think that these parts would not be all that hard to find if needed. Thanks for your help. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30000	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: 282 Headlight

I spent a good part of yesterday rehabbing an inherited 282. I'm proud to announce I got it running again (it last ran in 1987, I figure, and that was probably only at X-mas time). Anyhow, all is well (with the possible exception of the smoke unit which I did not investigate) except for the headlight which does not work at all. The bulb works (in fact I tried 2 or 3 different ones in my 630 caboose first). I also did the blob of solder on the bottom of the bulb base to improve contact in the socket. The wiring is correct, according to the diagrams (this is a fifth wire locomotive). The voltmeter revealed the socket seems to be getting current (assuming from where the one wire is soldered to the side of the socket), however the problem MAY be between the solder connection at the lamp bracket to the lower end of the socket. I unsoldered this wire, cleaned the contact (not much to do here) and soldered the wire back on. I also cleaned inside the socket (again, not much to clean). Still nothing. Ideas anyone? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30001	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

Is there a cold solder joint? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30002	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

I also noticed that some bulbs & the sockets are of different lengths. Try measuring for voltage from the socket base & the socket itself. See if you get a reading. Don't rely on the bulb to check to see if there is voltage there. Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30003	From: BeechCrRR@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

I> Is there a cold solder joint? I don't know what a cold solder joint is. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30004	From: Tim	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

Jeff, Check here for their online clinics: http://www.portlines.com/ There's a link to "Some Soldering Tips" and another link inside that to more on soldering. These should prove helpful. Regards, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: BeechCrRR@... To: Anormal1@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 282 Headlight I> Is there a cold solder joint? I don't know what a cold solder joint is. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30005	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

> Anyhow, all is > well (with the possible exception of the smoke unit which I did not > investigate) except for the headlight which does not work at all. I want to call off the dogs! Turns out it was a very, very simple fix afterall. Despite having a blob of solder at the bottom of the bulb's base, it still wasn't fully seated in the socket. I pushed it down further than I would have liked (worried that I would break the bulb) and it made contact. While I was at it I inserted an 18 v. bulb instead of the standard 14 v. (now I won't have to worry about the front of the plastic boiler burning!). Now the engine crew can see the track ahead and the FRA will be happy too. Next step is to see if the smoke unit works (which I doubt)--a task for another day. I'd still like to know what "cold solder" is! Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30006	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Girls and Trains

I have two older brothers and I'm the only one that *asked* for the trains. Imagine that! I want to be just like Barbara when I grow up. If I ever grow up... Peg > > From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Why anyone would.... > > I agree, letting gals play with the trains is a good thing. > I have an older brother and am thrilled I got the train. > After that there was no stopping me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30007	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Michael, If you're running DC or DCC - check out the Bachmann On30 Trolley. The powerunit comes out by removing a few screws. The bottom cover plate comes off the powerunit with 2 screws and you can lift out the On30 wheelsets - remove the Bachmann gear and slip it unto a pair of SHS hi-rail diesel wheelsets (the ones with the larger diameter axles). The phosphor bronze wheel wiper pick up system need NO modification! Reassemble the unit with the SHS wheels sets and a nylon washers on each side for spacers. Viola! You've got a wonderful 1:64 standard gauge DC powerunit that should fit UNDER the 963 frame without modification. The wheelbase of the unit is 8'6". The MSRP for the trolley is around $50 - the street price around $25. If you're running Sn42 as I am intending to do - the mechanism needs NO modification at all! You Sn3 guys might have to grind the diecast chassis (the motor and electronics drop out when a couple of screws are removed) a bit for clearance and then just regauge the On30 wheelsets. There are pictures of the unit on the On30 conspiracy list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30conspiracy/files/AC-01/ I've done the 1:64 hi-rail conversion outlined above - took about 5 minutes - coz I kept dropping the dang tiny screws to put the thing back together. I'll try to snap a picture of my converted unit tonight and post it. BTW, the spring loaded trolley pole is neat and the body of the trolley itself could probably be modified to be useful in 1:64 as well. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:44 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 963 CONVERSION Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using an old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30008	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: ebay scam

But I have found out that E-Bay apparently does ask you for credit card numbers to confirm your identity if you want to change your email address to certain email addresses that are available for free, such as Netzero, Yahoo, etc., even though their web pages tell you that they never do. I am still not sure I believe them, even though safe harbor has emailed me and told me that everything is OK. I am trying to close out an ATT account, but it is currently listed as my email with ebay. Even though I pay for Netzero, they won't accept the change without them sending me an email asking me to go to a linked webpage and give my credit card number. Has anyone else had this experience? Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay scam > Also E-BAY & Paypal NEVER start a letter to you by saying: Dear Member. I've > gotten a; lot of theses & report them to spoof @ E-BAY & Spoof @ Paypal. > Mike S. > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30009	From: Alex	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Don: Tried logging onto Yahoo with my existing password, etc. and it took it, but apparently there's yet another layer to do battle with to see your pix! Yuk. == Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. [mailto:dmunsey@...] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 5:56 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; anormal1@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 963 CONVERSION Michael, If you're running DC or DCC - check out the Bachmann On30 Trolley. The powerunit comes out by removing a few screws. The bottom cover plate comes off the powerunit with 2 screws and you can lift out the On30 wheelsets - remove the Bachmann gear and slip it unto a pair of SHS hi-rail diesel wheelsets (the ones with the larger diameter axles). The phosphor bronze wheel wiper pick up system need NO modification! Reassemble the unit with the SHS wheels sets and a nylon washers on each side for spacers. Viola! You've got a wonderful 1:64 standard gauge DC powerunit that should fit UNDER the 963 frame without modification. The wheelbase of the unit is 8'6". The MSRP for the trolley is around $50 - the street price around $25. If you're running Sn42 as I am intending to do - the mechanism needs NO modification at all! You Sn3 guys might have to grind the diecast chassis (the motor and electronics drop out when a couple of screws are removed) a bit for clearance and then just regauge the On30 wheelsets. There are pictures of the unit on the On30 conspiracy list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30conspiracy/files/AC-01/ I've done the 1:64 hi-rail conversion outlined above - took about 5 minutes - coz I kept dropping the dang tiny screws to put the thing back together. I'll try to snap a picture of my converted unit tonight and post it. BTW, the spring loaded trolley pole is neat and the body of the trolley itself could probably be modified to be useful in 1:64 as well. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:44 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 963 CONVERSION Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using an old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30010	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 7, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30011	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: Girls and Trains

Peg....jump in with us tonight.... We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 7, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <seekr2@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Girls and Trains > I have two older brothers and I'm the only one that *asked* for the trains. Imagine that! > > I want to be just like Barbara when I grow up. If I ever grow up... > > > Peg > > > > From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: Why anyone would.... > > > > > I agree, letting gals play with the trains is a good thing. > > I have an older brother and am thrilled I got the train. > > After that there was no stopping me. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30012	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: el Virus

Sorry guys, time out for a moderator note here, apparently someone who has members of this list in their address book has a very active virus. I received a virus note supposedly from a member of this list. Another member of this list received a virus note supposedly from me. In case you are not aware, many viruses read the address book of your MicroSoft e-mail and send out virus messages, and falsify the return address so it looks like the note is from somebody else. The "somebody else" is random addresses from your address book. once again, make sure your anti-virus software is running and is up to date. See link below for instructions. http://www.soundbytes.org/tango.php ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30013	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: It was 1964 and I loved trains.

I was only seven years old in1964, and Mike my brother was going out on a hot date. Mike was short on cash, but I was not. In my hot little hand was five bucks ,and I wanted some thing he had. Mike, and I had American Flyer trains together to play with. This is how that went. Squart you keep you hands off "Your to little". Well that was going to stop. Mike needed money now. and I had it " Hee Hee" Well I call Dad into the room to here what was going on so later on Mike could not say it never happened. He sold me His all of his trains #326 large motor plugin jack type, and his #360-364 Well I can't list it all, but you get it. Mike sold his birth right. Hee Hee Well after dad died I had a feeling that Mike would like some of his train back so I did give him some of them, and a nice shelf to put them on. Mike tryed to pay me for them, but I said no. To tell you the truth you could not pay me for any of my train there just not for sale. I will alway think back to sitting on the steps at the old house, and Mike and Dad would run them in the dark so the green, and red ligths also the tower lights would sparkel. Not to forget the smell of the sweet smoke. Oh how this take me back to a time in my life that I wish to live over, and over. Scott UVL97222

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30014	From: waldootten	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Okay, I looked closer

>What makes this eBay lot worth over $4,000? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 In addition to the red 718 with the red pickup arm, theres a Northern and the rare 1946 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road Switcher. WOW! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30015	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer

Yep! and the 332 looks to be the SIT version(smoke tube in cab to tender with filler cap?) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Okay, I looked closer > >What makes this eBay lot worth over $4,000? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 > > In addition to the red 718 with the red pickup arm, theres a > Northern and the rare 1946 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road Switcher. > > WOW! > > Phil K > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Thanks for the response's. But my main concern is whether the trucks from the 355 would fit without much trouble & work. I'm not an experienced modeler. I just thought they might fit easily & I had them. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30017	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: Thanks for the response's. But my main concern is whether the trucks from the 355 would fit without much trouble & work. I'm not an experienced modeler. I just thought they might fit easily & I had them. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 Michael, Back in the 1960s there was an article in the S Gauge Herald about converting a 962 dome car into an RDC using the Baldwin power trucks. If you're an NASG member you should be able to get a reprint of that article. If not, let me know. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30018	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer

Dear Phil, I am no AF expert, but those are not 1946 versions. Don T. waldootten wrote: >>What makes this eBay lot worth over $4,000? >> >> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 > >In addition to the red 718 with the red pickup arm, theres a >Northern and the rare 1946 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road Switcher. > >WOW! > >Phil K > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30019	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Tom, Alex, Michael etal. Tom: the On30 trolley is the 4 wheeled version - 8'6" wheelbase in 1:64. (I think the Bachmann HO Brill trolley is the 8-wheeled variety - I've not seen nor torn one of those apart - yet!). Tom and Alex: the link is to some pix in the On30Conspiracy list - Yahoo probably wants you to join that list. I'll check with the owner and see if I can repost them to S-Trains list. Michael: the AF Baldwin motor tower is T-A-L-L!!! Even with the SnS can motor conversion it is still tall! Check out the SnS website for pix of the Baldwin conversion. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ . This should give you an idea of how the conversion would work. I have jimmied with the AF Baldwin truck and SnS can motor conversion kit to try and get a lower profile - some luck - but a lot of filing and fitting the first time. I ended up using some extruded aluminum channel and made a new "L" shaped motor mounting bracket for the can motor - but proper gear meshing required filing etc. For ALL!!! If you've not thought about the On30 world - you should join this list, at least for a while, it is a list filled with incredibly talented modelers who have not ever seen "the box"! Most Inspirational - especially if you like the tiny industrial critters and shortline operations. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30020	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-top.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%20Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-top.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30021	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-btm.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%20Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-btm.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30022	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Trolley Motor Regauged to 1:64 std ga

I've just uploaded 3 images of the conversion I did using the On30 trolley motor unit and SHS hi-rail diesel wheels. They are in a file named: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30023	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: 282 Headlight

At 06:55 PM 3/7/04 +0000, you wrote: >I spent a good part of yesterday rehabbing an inherited 282. I'm >proud to announce I got it running again (it last ran in 1987, I >figure, and that was probably only at X-mas time). Anyhow, all is >well (with the possible exception of the smoke unit which I did not >investigate) except for the headlight which does not work at all. >The bulb works (in fact I tried 2 or 3 different ones in my 630 >caboose first). I also did the blob of solder on the bottom of the >bulb base to improve contact in the socket. The wiring is correct, >according to the diagrams (this is a fifth wire locomotive). The >voltmeter revealed the socket seems to be getting current (assuming >from where the one wire is soldered to the side of the socket), >however the problem MAY be between the solder connection at the lamp >bracket to the lower end of the socket. I unsoldered this wire, >cleaned the contact (not much to do here) and soldered the wire back >on. I also cleaned inside the socket (again, not much to clean). >Still nothing. Ideas anyone? > >Jeff Feldmeier One lug of the bulb socket gets power from the left brush holder, which is wired to the front tender rivet. The second lug (fifth wire) is wired to the top left e-unit post that powers the e-unit rachet mechanism. This post is wired directly to the rear tender rivet. In short, each side of the socket should get power directly from a tender truck. Usually, the 5th wire gets repositioned to the wrong side or a post on the e-unit fingers. This will cause the smoke unit and bulb not to work or to operate at lower voltages. You can try applying power directly to the bulb socket. You should get light and smoke. Just detach one of the brush holder first so power doesn't flow into the motor. Good luck, D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30024	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion/BachOn30trolley-AFBaldwin-SnScanmtr.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%20Conversion/BachOn30trolley-AFBaldwin-SnScanmtr.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30025	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion/BachOn30trolley-AFGP-SnScanmtr.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%20Conversion/BachOn30trolley-AFGP-SnScanmtr.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30026	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /works-in-progress -- munsey/BabyBaldwin.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/works-in-progress%20--%20munsey/BabyBaldwin.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /works-in-progress -- munsey/Boxcab.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/works-in-progress%20--%20munsey/Boxcab.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30028	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /works-in-progress -- munsey/juicejacks.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/works-in-progress%20--%20munsey/juicejacks.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30029	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 trolley motor conversion

I've just uploaded 2 more images of the conversion I did using the On30 trolley motor unit and SHS hi-rail diesel wheels. They show the converted trolley unit beside the AF Baldwin and AF GP7 power trucks with SnS can motors. They are in a file named: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30030	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: What's on your bench.

I've just created a folder named: "works-in-progress - munsey" where I've posted a few images of AF conversion projects that I'm working on. Comments and criticisms are welcome. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30031	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 trolley motor conversion

Those are great projects! Nice job. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. [mailto:dmunsey@...] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bachmann On30 trolley motor conversion I've just uploaded 2 more images of the conversion I did using the On30 trolley motor unit and SHS hi-rail diesel wheels. They show the converted trolley unit beside the AF Baldwin and AF GP7 power trucks with SnS can motors. They are in a file named: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30032	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion

With his permission, I have posted Alan Carroll's pix of the On30 trolley motor as it comes out of the trolley. Click on the following link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%2 0Conversion/ Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30033	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Needed: AF GP7 sideframe

I'm in need of a single AF GP7 sideframe (for one truck only - of the 370 vintage) - anybody have one bouncing around the bench they'd be willing to part with. Please contact me off-list. dmunsey@... Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30034	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Train Trailer 1/64 and S scale

Hey everyone. Been a while since I have sent any emails but I thought you might like my Train Trailer that I have been working on for my American Flyer train. Here are the links to the Train Trailer rig and a link to the real thing. http://utahdepot.railfan.net/UPlobby/UP833.htm Here are the pictures of my trailer. http://www.hcmtoys.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/train01.jpg http://www.hcmtoys.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/train02.jpg http://www.hcmtoys.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/train03.jpg http://www.hcmtoys.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/train04.jpg Hope you enjoy Thanks DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30035	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Needed: Uncouplers

Hello All, I'm in the process of laying track and need a bunch of uncouplers. I need ten 706 automatic uncouplers and eighteen uncoupler operating buttons. If you have some you care to sell please contact me off-list. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30036	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Train Chimes ?

Trains are very important to living in Japan, since traveling by train is usually the most convenient way to get anyplace, and various train sounds, such as the tones which play before the doors close, are very unique as well. Each train line and station can choose which tunes to use, so going to a new part of Japan means you'll be discovering some new train sounds. I found a site where you can hear these Japanese train tunes for yourself. Find it here: http://homepage2.nifty.com/carriersound/rail/railway.htm jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30037	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers

jarcho@... wrote: Speaking of 21140 wheels, does anyone have the part numbers for the plastic drive wheels used on the last Gilbert steam locomotives? There should be at least 3: pulmor, plain, and studded. I think that these parts would not be all that hard to find if needed. Thanks for your help. Tom Jarcho Well Tom, I finally found a sheet on 21140 Nothern.....It has 4 numbers: 14A598.... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Stud 14A602... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim 14A925... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Pull-Mor 14A926... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/Metal Rim Hope that helps Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30038	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: That $4K EBAY lot...

Don is correct...those are both 1947 SIT engines, not 1946. Still tough ones to find, but not as rare as '46. Of course, the red-arm 718 is a tough piece. Finally, if you look close, those silver (repainted) pass. cars ahve the LONG trucks, not the standard heavyweight trucks. All in all, some tough items......but >$4K ???? That's a bit steep for those! Several of us had a long discussion about this lot at the New England TCA meet just yesterday! One of the fellows has had phone conversations with the woman who has these for sale. Will be interesting to see if it goes higher at the last minute! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ORIGINAL THREAD: << From: Don Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer Dear Phil, I am no AF expert, but those are not 1946 versions. Don T. waldootten wrote: >>What makes this eBay lot worth over $4,000? >> >> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 > >In addition to the red 718 with the red pickup arm, theres a >Northern and the rare 1946 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road Switcher. > >WOW!>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30039	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together at York

Those of you going to York.......... Don't forget the Gilbert Get-together Thursday evening 9pm at the Four Corners Hotel. We always have some amazing things to see in our "show and tell" meeting. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30040	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Airplane Loco Carrier

Here is another way to carry a Locomotive...Of course it was light at 109 TONS !!!!!!! http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/an124/ Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30041	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion

Hey Don, How about giving us the "how to" details of the trolley conversion? I like converting the ON30 stuff, I've done freight and passenger cars. That little power unit sounds like it has potential. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@b...> wrote: > With his permission, I have posted Alan Carroll's pix of the On30 > trolley motor as it comes out of the trolley. > > Click on the following link: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30% 20Trolley%2 > 0Conversion/ > > Enjoy! > > Don Munsey, Jr. > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30042	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion

Ooops, never mind. I found it under a different subject line. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@1...> wrote: > Hey Don, > > How about giving us the "how to" details of the trolley conversion? > I like converting the ON30 stuff, I've done freight and passenger > cars. That little power unit sounds like it has potential. > > Steve > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@b...> > wrote: > > With his permission, I have posted Alan Carroll's pix of the On30 > > trolley motor as it comes out of the trolley. > > > > Click on the following link: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30% > 20Trolley%2 > > 0Conversion/ > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Don Munsey, Jr. > > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of > Louisiana. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30043	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler

I recently acquired a 293 Pacific locomotive that has a damaged knuckle coupler. I see that the crimped hard steel is locking the plastic coupler in place. It is tough to get pliers under the "little bent fingers" holding the plastic in place. Is there any neat or elegant way to remove the damaged one so a new one could slip into place? Thanks for any insights in advance V. Neimanis Ottawa Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30044	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler

Gently start to pry up the bracket with something small like a small screwdriver.... Then use needle nose pliers to open it up a little more... Do both sides. You only have to open it a little, Not all the way, and you will find you can twist the old coupler out. Slip a new one in and squeeze the metal back with the pliers. First the sides then the tops... With care you can't tell it was changed... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler > I recently acquired a 293 Pacific locomotive that has a damaged knuckle > coupler. I see that the crimped hard steel is locking the plastic > coupler in place. It is tough to get pliers under the "little bent > fingers" holding the plastic in place. Is there any neat or elegant way > to remove the damaged one so a new one could slip into place? > > Thanks for any insights in advance > > V. Neimanis > Ottawa Canada > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30045	From: waldootten	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: More on the 1946 342

I just did more homework. The first thing I had looked at was an old book that had an incorrect caption for the 342 in the photo. There about six known variations of the 1946 342 0-8-0. But as Don Thompson correctly pointed out in a flurry of exchanged emails today, a few of the keys to identifying an authentic 1946 342 are: round brass buttons on the loco undercarriage; thin-shank couplers with weights; and round rivets on the valve gears. The "rare" 1946 342 must have all of the above plus "Nickel Plate Road" on the tender (SIT) and no "American Flyer Lines." One of those in excellent shape might bring five figures or more. A little out of my budget. ;-) Thanks to all who cared enough to email me on this. And that $4000 eBay bid seems a bit high to me now. The photos are quite poor, but the stuff still looks a little "tired." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30046	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler

S-Gaugers, I was also wondering if there was a Gilbert tool(s) for taking off and putting back on the couplers - after all in mass production I can't believe it was done with pliers? -----Original Message----- From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] [mailto:v.neimanis@...] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler I recently acquired a 293 Pacific locomotive that has a damaged knuckle coupler. I see that the crimped hard steel is locking the plastic coupler in place. It is tough to get pliers under the "little bent fingers" holding the plastic in place. Is there any neat or elegant way to remove the damaged one so a new one could slip into place? Thanks for any insights in advance V. Neimanis Ottawa Canada S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30047	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: LAST CALL: 2004 Lionel Book 1 AF Items

This is the last call for pre-order prices on the entire line of American Flyer items presented in the just released 2004 Lionel Book 1 catalog. Prices are pre-order prices and must be accompanied by a 15 percent deposit, or a Visa or Master Card credit card. Shipping and handling is extra. Number Item Retail My Price DueDate 6-48038 GN Electric $249.95 $220 Oct 6-48043 NYC Baldwin Switcher $249.95 $220 Sept 6-48354 SP Boxcar $49.99 $40 June 6-48414 Nesquik Tank Car $54.99 $45 June 6-48415 Hooker Chem.3-Dome Tank $49.99 $40 June 6-48416 Campbell Soup Tank Car $54.99 $45 June 6-48533 PFE Flat w/P-back Trlr $49.99 $40 June 6-48534 NYC Depr.Ctr.Flat w/Reel $59.99 $50 Sept 6-48535 GN Flat w/Bulkheads $49.99 $40 June 6-48726 NYC Boom Car $49.99 $40 June 6-48809 NP Reefer $49.99 $40 June 6-49013 PRR Depr.Ctr.Searchlt.Car$69.99 $57 Sept 6-49014 NYC Crane Car $69.99 $57 June 6-49015 Westside Lumber "Moe/Joe"$69.99 $57 Sept 6-49016 SF Walk.Brakeman Boxcar $69.99 $57 Sept 6-49017 GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $57 Oct 6-49613 Southern Work Train Set $449.99 $400 Sept 6-49815 #741 Handcar and Shed $99.99 $77 Oct 6-49816 #771 Stockyard and Car $149.99 $118 Oct 6-49817 #785 Coal Loader $149.99 $118 Nov 6-49818 #23830 P-back Unloader $69.99 $57 Nov 6-49819 #583A Electromag.Crane $249.99 $195 Nov Orders must be received no later than March 10, 2004. E-mail if you have questions. These items can be seen at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/Findex.cfm Select Lionel Classic Trains Volume 1 2004 Catalog. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30048	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Okay, I looked closer

That arm might have been painted by the owner,he did paint the coaches. Bob waldootten <waldootten@...> wrote:>What makes this eBay lot worth over $4,000? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 In addition to the red 718 with the red pickup arm, theres a Northern and the rare 1946 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road Switcher. WOW! Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30049	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler

I use a pair of snap ring pliers. They spread things apart rather than squeeze things together. Just put the pins on the tips of the pliers against the bent over tabs and lightly squeeze just enough so the coupler can be wiggled out. For reassembly regular needle nose pliers can do the job. Don >Message: 22 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:52:15 -0500 From: "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> >Subject: Hints on replacing a knuckle coupler >I recently acquired a 293 Pacific locomotive that has a damaged knuckle >coupler. I see that the crimped hard steel is locking the plastic >coupler in place. It is tough to get pliers under the "little bent >fingers" holding the plastic in place. Is there any neat or elegant way >to remove the damaged one so a new one could slip into place? >Thanks for any insights in advance >V. Neimanis >Ottawa Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30050	From: shoestring02140	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Slightly off-topic query: Lionel HO American Flyer set for Sears (1

I've been trying to find a ballpark value for this set, but it appears to be extremely rare. Does anyone know what it would be worth in mint condition? (I'd appreciate it if you would Cc: me individually, as I subscribe to the Digest.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: Slightly off-topic query: Lionel HO American Flyer set for Sear

WHILE I HAVE NOT LOOKED IF IT IS THE RED, WHITE, BLUE DIESEL SET IT IS NOT RARE ( SORRY I HAVE BEEN TYPING CAPS ALL DAY...HABIT AND WORK) AND I DON'T THINK THE UP SET IS EITHER.... I just got a 0-6-0 switcher set...brand new in the box and AF for 300.00... I have started to pick up AF HO sets because they are very reasonable right now....Picked up about 20 sets over the last few months....They are like peanuts.........Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "shoestring02140" <wfp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Slightly off-topic query: Lionel HO American Flyer set for Sears (197?) > I've been trying to find a ballpark value for this set, but it appears > to be extremely rare. Does anyone know what it would be worth in mint > condition? > > (I'd appreciate it if you would Cc: me individually, as I subscribe to > the Digest.) > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30052	From: trainman634	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers

Does anyone in this group sell or know of someone who sells reconditioned American Flyer Transformers? Thank you for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30053	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers

I recondition AF transformers, with new circuit breakers, rollers, power cord, and on/off switch, adjustment, repairs, and testing. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30054	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/8/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers

Hello Vin! I have a original AF service manual and the sheet is dated May 1959, it says the following: XA14A602 flanged wheel assy 2 piece .31each XA14A598 flangeless wheel & stud assy 2 piece .29each XA14A926 flangeless wheel assy 2 piece .28each XA14A925 pul-mor wheel assy 2piece .77each Every thing the same except the XA before the numbers(I wish the prices were the same!) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vin Kosobiecki" <vinkoso@...> To: <jarcho@...>; "X" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] plastic drive wheel numbers > > > jarcho@... wrote: > Speaking of 21140 wheels, does anyone have the part numbers for the plastic > drive wheels used on the last Gilbert steam locomotives? There should be > at least 3: pulmor, plain, and studded. > > I think that these parts would not be all that hard to find if needed. > > Thanks for your help. > > Tom Jarcho > > Well Tom, I finally found a sheet on 21140 Nothern.....It has 4 numbers: > > 14A598.... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Stud > > 14A602... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim > > 14A925... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Pull-Mor > > 14A926... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/Metal Rim > > Hope that helps > > Vin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30055	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers

Hello Tom! My last posting to Vin would be with regards for the part numbers for the 2 piece (plastic/aluminum) wheels for the 21140 northern Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "Vin Kosobiecki" <vinkoso@...>; <jarcho@...>; "X" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] plastic drive wheel numbers > Hello Vin! I have a original AF service manual and the sheet is dated May > 1959, it says the following: > > XA14A602 flanged wheel assy 2 piece .31each > XA14A598 flangeless wheel & stud assy 2 piece .29each > XA14A926 flangeless wheel assy 2 piece .28each > XA14A925 pul-mor wheel assy 2piece .77each > > Every thing the same except the XA before the numbers(I wish the prices > were the same!) Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vin Kosobiecki" <vinkoso@...> > To: <jarcho@...>; "X" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] plastic drive wheel numbers > > > > > > > > jarcho@... wrote: > > Speaking of 21140 wheels, does anyone have the part numbers for the > plastic > > drive wheels used on the last Gilbert steam locomotives? There should be > > at least 3: pulmor, plain, and studded. > > > > I think that these parts would not be all that hard to find if needed. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > Well Tom, I finally found a sheet on 21140 Nothern.....It has 4 numbers: > > > > 14A598.... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Stud > > > > 14A602... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim > > > > 14A925... Flanged Plastic Wheel w/ Metal Rim & Pull-Mor > > > > 14A926... Flangeless Plastic Wheel w/Metal Rim > > > > Hope that helps > > > > Vin > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30056	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Western Train shops

Making a trip west from Colorado this week. Can anyone on the list reccomend any stores that carry vintage AF in Salt Lake City or Reno areas? Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30057	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: plastic drive wheel numbers

Hi to all, You are right..... I left off the "XA" at the begining of the number..... Sorry about that...... Those prices and those days are long gone..... Vin Kielek Family <mkielek@...> wrote: Hello Tom! My last posting to Vin would be with regards for the part numbers for the 2 piece (plastic/aluminum) wheels for the 21140 northern Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" To: "Vin Kosobiecki" ; ; "X" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] plastic drive wheel numbers > Hello Vin! I have a original AF service manual and the sheet is dated May > 1959, it says the following: > > XA14A602 flanged wheel assy 2 piece .31each > XA14A598 flangeless wheel & stud assy 2 piece .29each > XA14A926 flangeless wheel assy 2 piece .28each > XA14A925 pul-mor wheel assy 2piece .77each > > Every thing the same except the XA before the numbers(I wish the prices > were the same!) Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30058	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Sanborn Maps

From the Sn3 list; ============= Subject: Sanborn Map Source Periodically the subject of Sanborn Insurance maps comes up on the list. I've run across a source for copies of them. The website is http://utahice.com/sanborn.htm They are normally furnished on a CD. The service is fast and the availability is vast. Regards, Don Smith =============== ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30059	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: junk

From Sn3: > Could someone, please, tell me about a GOOD source > for realistic and good looking S scale junk and clutter that > I could place - with pleasant visual results - outside > workshops, garages, freight stations, wh... errr, I mean > warehouses, etc. ? Next time you are ready to discard a watch, toy, appliance, whatever, check its innards for usable "junk and clutter". If you have kids, let THEM take it apart, they love doing that, and gives 'em a chance to practice using Dad's tools. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30060	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: junk

From Sn3: > **((((Could someone, please, tell me about a GOOD source > for realistic and good looking S scale junk and clutter that > I could place - with pleasant visual results - outside > workshops, garages, freight stations, wh... errr, I mean > warehouses, etc. ?))*** And Ted wrote: """""Next time you are ready to discard a watch, toy, appliance, whatever, check its innards for usable "junk and clutter". If you have kids, let THEM take it apart, they love doing that, and gives 'em a chance to practice using Dad's tools.""""" I posted some time back about an article in "Model Railroader" about using watch gears, etc. With a bit of weathering/painting,.... they looked just like big ol' rusted gears!! Looks great in junkyard/shop/whatever, settings. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30061	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Uncouplers Found

Thanks to everyone who replied to my need for automatic uncouplers and buttons. I located all I need and will be able to continue laying track on the new layout. As always - if you need something Flyer related this is the place to find it!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30062	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Trolley Motor Regauged to 1:64 std ga

Don, Nice presentation, Item one is the gear view of the SHS diesels wheels in place in the trolley chassis, Item two showing a plastic shim looking down from the top of the trolley chassis, then item three is a PA / GP power truck with SnS repowered motor along the trolley truck for sizing, and fourth is the 355 Baldwin power truck along side the trolley power truck ---- Do I have it right ???? The trolley chassis sure looks like a great way to power an RDC, or other passenger cars as the lead unit of third rail electric lines using 961's for RDC and 955's for the commuter lines. Thanks to confirm understandings of your postings. SteveJay On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:12:22 -0600 "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@...> writes: > I've just uploaded 3 images of the conversion I did using the On30 > trolley motor unit and SHS hi-rail diesel wheels. > > They are in a file named: Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion. > > Don Munsey, Jr. > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of > Louisiana. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30063	From: Tim	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Transformers for sale

Hi all, For sale or trade: I have five #8B transformers, ranging in condition from very good to E- and one #16B transformer in excellent condition for sale or trade if anyone is interested. They were all in use on my layout until the recent acquisition of three #30B transformers. Please contact me offlist if interested in arranging a sale (I will pay UPS shipping) or a swap. I am looking for a couple of junker Baldwins. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30064	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Reconditioned American Flyer Transformers

Let me clarify my previous statement. I test and recondition old AF and Lionel transformers, but do not often buy or sell them. I just usually do the reconditioning work for individuals or dealers. This can involve testing, adjustment, repair, new circuit breakers, rollers, power cords, on/off switches, and sometimes, replacing other parts as well. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30065	From: waldootten	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Oh my goodness!!!!

That eBay lot we've been watching went for a huge number! *Shock* *Surprise* *WOW!* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 Am I the only one who thinks the selling price was a bit high at $7,800????????? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30066	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!

And what was so special about this... was this the chatter about rare 342's going on the list...??? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30067	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: oh my goodness

That lot looked as though it might have originally been the double set, although the floodlight car was wrong. At least, it had the hardest parts of the 2X set showing, and collecting the rest would be a fun project. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30068	From: Todd McGowan	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Lubrication

I have a 21099 steam engine and am not too familiar with American Flyer trains, but I did have to replace the brushes and the engine works fine now. My question is; do you lubricate the plunger that makes the "choo choo" sound, or does it operate dry? I inheritated this set from my grandparents and remember playing with it around the Christmas tree when I was a small boy and just want to keep it running. Any help will be appreciated. Also, what is the approximate age of this engine? Thanks Todd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30069	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!

If it didn't have that 352 switcher in there, I might say the same. However, how many of you out there want to dump one of those. If you want mine you are going to have to shell out the big ones for it. I have been looking for another since 1964 and have never found one in a condition I would accept. If I didn't have one I would have gone close to that just for it. Jerry Hiett --- On Tue 03/09, waldootten < waldootten@... > wrote: From: waldootten [mailto: waldootten@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:31:05 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Oh my goodness!!!! That eBay lot we've been watching went for a huge number http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179342448 Am I the only one who thinks the selling price was a bit high at $7,800 _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30070	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

Don, Do you have the part number of the SHS axle and wheel set? I'd like to try it but want to make sure I order the right ones. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@b...> wrote: > Michael, > > If you're running DC or DCC - check out the Bachmann On30 Trolley. The > powerunit comes out by removing a few screws. The bottom cover plate > comes off the powerunit with 2 screws and you can lift out the On30 > wheelsets - remove the Bachmann gear and slip it unto a pair of SHS > hi-rail diesel wheelsets (the ones with the larger diameter axles). The > phosphor bronze wheel wiper pick up system need NO modification! > Reassemble the unit with the SHS wheels sets and a nylon washers on each > side for spacers. Viola! You've got a wonderful 1:64 standard gauge DC > powerunit that should fit UNDER the 963 frame without modification. The > wheelbase of the unit is 8'6". The MSRP for the trolley is around $50 - > the street price around $25. > > If you're running Sn42 as I am intending to do - the mechanism needs NO > modification at all! You Sn3 guys might have to grind the diecast > chassis (the motor and electronics drop out when a couple of screws are > removed) a bit for clearance and then just regauge the On30 wheelsets. > > There are pictures of the unit on the On30 conspiracy list at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30conspiracy/files/AC-01/ > > I've done the 1:64 hi-rail conversion outlined above - took about 5 > minutes - coz I kept dropping the dang tiny screws to put the thing back > together. > > I'll try to snap a picture of my converted unit tonight and post it. > > BTW, the spring loaded trolley pole is neat and the body of the trolley > itself could probably be modified to be useful in 1:64 as well. > > Don Munsey, Jr. > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: anormal1@a... [mailto:anormal1@a...] > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:44 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 963 CONVERSION > > Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using > an > old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30071	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: 963 CONVERSION

One other question - How is the gearing on this conversion? Is it pretty low? I have a Putt Trains trolley and it is geared very high, way too fast. I want something that goes slower. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunsey@b...> wrote: > Michael, > > If you're running DC or DCC - check out the Bachmann On30 Trolley. The > powerunit comes out by removing a few screws. The bottom cover plate > comes off the powerunit with 2 screws and you can lift out the On30 > wheelsets - remove the Bachmann gear and slip it unto a pair of SHS > hi-rail diesel wheelsets (the ones with the larger diameter axles). The > phosphor bronze wheel wiper pick up system need NO modification! > Reassemble the unit with the SHS wheels sets and a nylon washers on each > side for spacers. Viola! You've got a wonderful 1:64 standard gauge DC > powerunit that should fit UNDER the 963 frame without modification. The > wheelbase of the unit is 8'6". The MSRP for the trolley is around $50 - > the street price around $25. > > If you're running Sn42 as I am intending to do - the mechanism needs NO > modification at all! You Sn3 guys might have to grind the diecast > chassis (the motor and electronics drop out when a couple of screws are > removed) a bit for clearance and then just regauge the On30 wheelsets. > > There are pictures of the unit on the On30 conspiracy list at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30conspiracy/files/AC-01/ > > I've done the 1:64 hi-rail conversion outlined above - took about 5 > minutes - coz I kept dropping the dang tiny screws to put the thing back > together. > > I'll try to snap a picture of my converted unit tonight and post it. > > BTW, the spring loaded trolley pole is neat and the body of the trolley > itself could probably be modified to be useful in 1:64 as well. > > Don Munsey, Jr. > Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: anormal1@a... [mailto:anormal1@a...] > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:44 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 963 CONVERSION > > Any ideas on my plans to use a 963 as a trolley ? I'm thinking of using > an > old 355 Baldwin for the trucks & motive power. Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30072	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Magazines

I write this as sort of an open letter to our hobby publications. I would like to see more pictures and images from above the subject being studied. It seems that you don't have a good model unles you have all of the brake linkage, etc from under the car. In my humble opinion the contour and appliances on the roof are even more important. When our trains run, it is the sides, ends and roofs that we most often see. We don't see the underside of the car unless we remove it from the track. Does anyone else have a thought on this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30073	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: I think I know why that train went for so much.......

Hi All, well the # 332& the #342 are very rare in the book. They were made with the smoke in the tender. You can see the top of the refill cap in the photo on the tender for the 332, but you can only see the tube that runs from the tender to the cab on the 342. Well the other thing is it would need the coupler with no weight marked # PA. NO 2240137. Well That was way out of my range. Oh it did say in my book that there was no known resale. They were made in 1947 and there were six types of 332 from1947~49 and I am not talking about the 332AC or 332DC that were marked that way. Scott UVL 97222

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30075	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/9/2004
Subject: Re: Lubrication

Hey Todd! Great to see you wanting to keep your AF train going. I believe your 21099 4-6-2 steamer is from about 1958. You may have seen an ink stamping inside the boiler shell that would tell you the date it was made. About the piston for the "choo choo" sound, I believe that they don't really need to be lubricated, but if you want you can put a little inside the cylinder. I do believe that the piston is made from a carbon type material, however, earlier models did have them made of metal. Other's on the list may have additional comments and info also...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd McGowan" <tamgn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lubrication > I have a 21099 steam engine and am not too familiar with American > Flyer trains, but I did have to replace the brushes and the engine > works fine now. My question is; do you lubricate the plunger that > makes the "choo choo" sound, or does it operate dry? I inheritated > this set from my grandparents and remember playing with it around the > Christmas tree when I was a small boy and just want to keep it > running. Any help will be appreciated. Also, what is the > approximate age of this engine? > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30076	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Bachmann On30 Trolley Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-wheelsets.JPG Uploaded by : bigswede073 <dmunsey@...> Description : The set on the right is the drop in fit. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20On30%20Trolley%20Conversion/BachOn30trolleymotor-2-S-ga-conv-wheelsets.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bigswede073 <dmunsey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30077	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Ideal radius

Hi, guys I've collected and restored AF for 30+ years. Bringing long dead pieces back to life is my favorite part of the hobby. Thanks to Doug, Tom, and many more for the great parts and tech help! Here are a couple of questions. I'm starting a new layout with wide curves so I can put those large-motor engines to work. I have two questions: 1. What is the recommended minimum radius curve that long trains will negotiate without "taking the shortcut"? (Assume the trucks and couplers have all been properly adjusted.) 2. From my HO days, I prefer nickel-silver rails, but I would like to know about the stainless Gargraves. Does it conduct as well? Does it develop a buildup or a patina?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30078	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!

Was it the 0-8-0 or what looked like a SIT northern that drove the price up?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30079	From: Art	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Set Searcher Database

Hi Everyone: I just saw an ebay auction for an AF Set Searcher Database. It is item #3180446849. This CD-ROM is supposed to allow you to put in car or loco numbers and provide you with a list of all the sets that included that particular car or loco. This sounds interesting, does anyone have any experience with this product? Thanks, Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30080	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!

Bill...I think it was the SIT 4-8-4 (red arm mail car and 0-8-0 did hurt either!) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Webster" <af21140@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Oh my goodness!!!! > Was it the 0-8-0 or what looked like a SIT northern that drove the > price up? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30081	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Oh my goodness!!!!

a lot of hard to find 1947 equipment there.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30082	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Set Searcher Database

For the price I would be willing to try it and report back to the group. Then the "Caig Paste" guru or someone could contact the seller if enough on the list would be interested and maybe get a group discount. Thoughts? John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <aag_rlg@y...> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I just saw an ebay auction for an AF Set Searcher Database. It is > item #3180446849. This CD-ROM is supposed to allow you to put in car > or loco numbers and provide you with a list of all the sets that > included that particular car or loco. This sounds interesting, does > anyone have any experience with this product? > > Thanks, > Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30083	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Set Searcher Database

I heard back from the seller of this item. He says the supply of these CD's is endless. He has already sold some to dealers, any dealers on the list have them? He says it takes 10 minutes to make one copy and that he would be willing to offer a group discount if enough people are interested. There you have it,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > For the price I would be willing to try it and report back to the > group. Then the "Caig Paste" guru or someone could contact the seller > if enough on the list would be interested and maybe get a group > discount. Thoughts? John B. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30084	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Greenberg's Timonium Md

Hi Folks I will have the NASG switching layout setup at the Greenberg's Timonuim Train Show on 3/20-21 Stop on by and run some trains for awhile. Click here for more info http://www.greenbergshows.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30085	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: B&O rust on truck

Take a look at the link below. I bought a B&O set about 3 years ago that had rust just like this one does on the truck. When took it apart it looked like there had been a factory solder job done with acid core solder. There was a conductive wire soldered to the truck frame and the spatter around it looked like it had to have come for acid core. I wondered if mine had been modified, but now I wonder after seeing this. Anyone had a similar experience? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179587839 Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30086	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: NASG Layout Photos

Hi Folks I placed three photos of the NASG layout at the NASG members site. under photos. http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/lst?.dir=/NASG+Layout&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ I tried to put them on the S Scale site but not enough room. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30087	From: David Avedesian	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Looking for William Schmitz

I am looking to get in contact with William Schmitz. William wrote an S-Message in the S-Gaugian Magazine-March 2004 asking for more information about the article that I wrote in the March 2003 issue of the S-Gaugian. He gave his address but no phone number. If anyone knows William from University Place, WA, would you either forward my em or phone number (301 938 1811) to him or pass his contact info to me. I would like to answer some of his questions. Thank you, David -----Original Message----- From: Kielek Family [mailto:mkielek@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:59 PM To: Bill Webster; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Oh my goodness!!!! Bill...I think it was the SIT 4-8-4 (red arm mail car and 0-8-0 did hurt either!) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Webster" <af21140@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Oh my goodness!!!! > Was it the 0-8-0 or what looked like a SIT northern that drove the > price up? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30088	From: David Avedesian	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Re: Ideal radius

Bill: If you want to run the longer length coach cars, then you will need to consider non-AF (19-1/2"R) switches. If you want to run the large AF engines, they will go thru the AF switch only if the wheels are gauged properly. Too narrow is just as bad as too wide. I have been able to operate a 336 with great results. The key was gauging the drive wheels. If you are intending to operate 'scale' type engines then you are outside of my world. The key to flawless operation is flawless track work. Flawless track work can be achieved by laying the track on a drawn radius centerline. If the curve track flows into the straight track smoothly without any hitches, you can count of running your trains for hours without any derailments. I had an open house party last year and set up the trains to run in a continuous loop. The AF/SHS/AM trains and engines ran for 7 hours while I was up tending to our guests. Mind you, I think that takes nerve. However I had run the trains like that before and felt I would be able to pull it. It worked. Good luck, David -----Original Message----- From: Bill Webster [mailto:af21140@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ideal radius Hi, guys I've collected and restored AF for 30+ years. Bringing long dead pieces back to life is my favorite part of the hobby. Thanks to Doug, Tom, and many more for the great parts and tech help! Here are a couple of questions. I'm starting a new layout with wide curves so I can put those large-motor engines to work. I have two questions: 1. What is the recommended minimum radius curve that long trains will negotiate without "taking the shortcut"? (Assume the trucks and couplers have all been properly adjusted.) 2. From my HO days, I prefer nickel-silver rails, but I would like to know about the stainless Gargraves. Does it conduct as well? Does it develop a buildup or a patina? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30089	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/10/2004
Subject: Pre-TCA York shows

Greetings All......just wondering if anyone has a listing of all the shows leading up to the TCA show starting Friday. I understand there are shows starting on the Tuesday of that week. Thanx in advance Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30090	From: frbpman	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Re: B&O rust on truck

Mark, concerning your post on this subject: I don't think yours was modified. I also have this set - bought it new. If you are talking about the dummy unit, join the club. My dummy unit also has the same condition which resulted in the headlight wire not being soldered correctly. That is the way it came out of the box. When I originally purchased the set I just put it away and so it sat for many years before about two years ago my son and I unpacked my trains and set them up. That's when I discovered the problem. Since I purchased a lot of the early Flyonel when it was among the only new R-T-R hi-rail available, I have found it was not, unfortunately, uncommon with a lot of the Lionel produced items. My Erie set fried the e-unit the first time around the track. The horn on the C&O doesn't work correctly. M PRR GP lost a side frame. NP observation cars are split below the herald. I can go on, but I won't. I think if you get any other responses they may be similar. Probably similar also would be the then, and often still is, response from Lionel -- "Tough (unprintable)!" Is it any wonder that with a touch of pride in craftsmanship and putting the customer first that SHS, AM, etc. consistently put Lionel to shame. Quality and workmanship can demand top dollar, but to me trading on the Flyer name plate has been a sore point for years. When first introduced by Lionel, I had very high hopes, which were slowly dashed. I only hope they have learned their lesson and the last two years offerings from them offer some small hope that they are waking up and will instil some of the pride and workmanship demonstrated in their premier O-gauge offerings in the Flyer line. I'm not holding my breath however since most of us have waited too long already. Good luck and I love my S (all kinds - AF, hi-rail, scale, etc.) Kenny Palmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30091	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: S South

The second S South Meet was held this past Saturday in Richmond. Hopefully, this will become an annual event. Members were present from the Washington & Old Dominion, Virginia Central, Tidewater, and Carolinas Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Members of the Georgia Division could not attend as they were having a show in Atlanta on the same da. In addition, there was a large representation of members from the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club. Setup began on Friday evening and by 9 p.m. the layout was basically totally assembled. This was amazing since some of the W&OD members did not get there until 8 pm. There were 77 modules (including two 2-foot bridge modules) that were assembled in the shape of a large "C". There were T-modules and crossing yards on each arm of the C. The Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomoc S Scalers set up in the middle of the C. There was plenty of help unloading and getting everything inside the building. We took a break for dinner and many partook of the Fish Dinner being put on by the church in which we were housed. Many of the more than 50 persons in attendance met for breakfast on Saturday morning, with work continuing on the modules by 9 am. By 10 am we were running trains, using multiple block systems. Although there was a capability of running 11 trains simultaneously, we never ran more than 7 at one time. One troublesome short was not solved until early afternoon when, after isolating everything else, it was discovered that a Lionel (what else??) transformer was the cause of the short. The highlight of the day was a 98-1/2 car train (the half car was the single truck caboose created by Steve Blancard) being pulled by a single Gilbert American Flyer 336 with a large motor. About 20 of these cars were the new K-Line S gauge cars which operated flawlessly and looked beautiful. We made several attempts to pull a 100-1/2 car train, but could not successfully make it twice around the entire outer loop without an uncoupling or derailment. Nothing like a train straining around corners to discover weaknesses in trackage. Breakdown started shortly after 4 pm and we were out of the hall (with it cleaned and all furniture restored) by 5:30 pm. Then another group of us went out to dinner, with many staying overnight for a Virginia Train Collectors meet on Sunday morning. A great time was had by all and those who missed it missed a great time of fellowship, meeting members from other Clubs, making new friends, getting lots of ideas, and, of course, running trains. Special thanks go to Wayne Beachy for organizing the event and to Mike Myers for planning and executing the layout. Joe Haenn Carolinas Division ACSG ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30092	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Re: Pre-TCA York shows

Al.... Yes they start on Tuesday...you might find some there on Monday.... read Clems Primer http://www.toytrains.info/news.asp?t=primer this will give you a guide... By the way... I am going to be there on Tuesday at motel 8...Parking can be a bear... I am going to have a large full size car so if any body wants to run with me meet to met let me know..I usually hit all the meets on tue and wed...on thur I hit all the meets in the morning and the go to the TCA museum about 1:00...mess around there a couple hours...then to the Good n Plenty....for dinner about 6:00...then back to the motel around 8:00 in time for the "S" meeting....Friday up at 7...go to Hardees for a pick up BFKT then to the blue hall about 7:30....to get a close spot to park by the door....Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 2:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-TCA York shows > Greetings All......just wondering if anyone has a listing of all the shows > leading up to the TCA show starting Friday. I understand there are shows starting on the Tuesday of that week. Thanx in advance Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30093	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Double-Whammy Blatant Ad

Below, you will see a link to Art Fahie's latest edition of the "Daily Moose." Therein, he announces that within the next couple of weeks, Bar Mills will be in a position to offer Wicked Wanda's in S scale. Check out the http://www.barmillsmodels.com/ Bar Mills home page for a picture of "Wanda's Wickedness." If you'd like to grace your layout with a personalized rendition of Wicked Wanda's, drop me an e-mail off-list for terms, conditions, and prices, and/or visit my site at www.bestofshowmodelbuilders.com. This offer, of course, is totally pending Bar Mills' release of the kit in S scale. Per the "Daily Moose," only 50 S kits will be produced so don't be the last one in line. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bar Mills Scale Model Works" <barmills@...> To: <bestofshow@...> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Daily Moose has arrived > The old saying "No Moose... Is Good Moose!" may not exactly fit this "filler" edition of the Bar Mills newsletter. There isn't anything in the issue, it's just to let you know that things are still happening, and that we haven't forgotten about you folks! IF YOU DIDN'T SUBSCRIBE TO THIS NEWSLETTER YOU WOULD NOT BE GETTING IT... THIS IS NOT SPAM! So if you don't want to get another issue, simply unsubscribe... and please don't complain to us about it... we didn't sign you up... you did! > > At any rate... click on the below link for the most recent view of the "Moose"... Art Fahie, BMSM > > > http://www.barmillsmodels.com/dailymoose_03-04.html > > > Remove yourself from future email here: > http://i.ms00.net/remove?barmills::1079018536.27323:bestofshow@...:e > or reply to this message with "remove" in the subject line. > > This message was sent to bestofshow@... > X-PMG-Recipient: bestofshow@... > > > > > > pmguid:2jl.8jx8.mx >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30094	From: trainman634	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: AF #26752 Uncoupler

Can I mount a AF #26752 uncoupler on a section of Gargraves track and how would it be done?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30095	From: eddiee456	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: background sounds

I was searching the net and came across this site, they have various CD's and tape recordings for background noise. anyone heard of them or have any of their products? Ed Vogler http://www.sunsetwestproductions.com/citysnds.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30096	From: trainman634	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: New AF Handcar

I like the new AF handcar that Lionel is producing. I am thinking of buying one. I am wondering if the new handcar is going to be as good as the one produced by American Flyer. Has anyone had a look at a new handcar and watched it run yet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30097	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: New Handcar

When you say 'as good as....'? I like my AF handcar, but it does sound like a coffee grinder, has a soft metal chassis and needs a lot of upkeep, and doesn't have a reverse. I think the new one will be a vast improvement. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30098	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Modeling guide Issue 3

The third issue of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is the best yet. My favorite part is the cover. Simon Parent makes the best scenery I have ever seen. What I hope to see in future issues of the SMG is a series of articles on how he does his grass, weeds and trees. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30099	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Ideal Radius

My answer would be the largest radius you can manage. I would not go any smaller than 27 inches. Long trains and passenger cars pull much easier through wide radius curves than tight radius curves. If you can pull it off, I say go for 60 inch radius--the trains look sooooo much better. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:45:46 -0000 > From: "Bill Webster" <af21140@...> >Subject: Ideal radius > >Hi, guys >I've collected and restored AF for 30+ years. Bringing long dead >pieces back to life is my favorite part of the hobby. Thanks to >Doug, Tom, and many more for the great parts and tech help! Here are >a couple of questions. I'm starting a new layout with wide curves so >I can put those large-motor engines to work. I have two questions: >1. What is the recommended minimum radius curve that long trains >will negotiate without "taking the shortcut"? (Assume the trucks and >couplers have all been properly adjusted.) >2. From my HO days, I prefer nickel-silver rails, but I would like >to know about the stainless Gargraves. Does it conduct as well? Does >it develop a buildup or a patina?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30100	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: York

All.....here is the updated York Primer. Bob, I would like to meet up with you and Barb at some point. I will get with you as it gets closer and I have my plans in somewhat of an order :) http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/PRIMER/INDEX.HTML Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30101	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Vol. VII and more

For those of you that have been wanting volume 7 of the series there are 4 VHS tapes and 1 DVD left. There are lots of new list folks since our last volume (VI) that may or may not know of these videos. For those people we would like to let you know that all volumes 1 thru 6 are still available. Also let it be known that because of several inquiries we have gone back and made a DVD master of volumes 1-6. So now all volumes are available on DVD. (April 1.) In another vein we want to let you all know that we will be attending "Flyer Fest West" #5 in San Ramon Calif. in May. We will be at the National train show in Seattle, July 9-11 and the NASG regional in Tacoma on July 13. These will be some sources of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" volume VIII that should surface near Thanksgiving 2004. We need people to offer their home video of the 2004 NASG national convention so that we may incorporate some of it into Volume VIII. Thanks in advance. Hope to see lots of you at the above mentioned shows. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30102	From: waldootten	Date: 3/11/2004
Subject: Smoke unit questions

As i sit here as the nighttime mercury dips into the teens in the Chicago suburbs, I have a few questions about smoke units: 1.) Does the gauge (thickness) of the nichrome wire wrapped around the wick material make a difference if it is thicker or thinner than what is usually supplied in the replacement kits (like the ones from PortLines Hobbies)? 2.) I have heard you need to wind the nichrome wire around the wick material about 55 times (please correct me if I'm wrong on the number of wraps). What effect does it have if you use a.) fewer than the normal (i.e. 55) and b.) more than the normal number of windings? 3.) Can the windings overlap (touch each other) in any place? What would happen if they do? Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30103	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Modeling guide Issue 3

Hi Lance....Simon Parent is quite the modeller. When he was living in Calgary he was at our train show with a couple of other S scale modellers and their layout. I was suprised to find out he was quite instrumental in developing that new CN 2-6-0 that is out now. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance McCold" <lancemccold@...> To: "S-Scale Group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Modeling guide Issue 3 > The third issue of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is the best yet. > > My favorite part is the cover. Simon Parent makes the best scenery I have ever seen. > > What I hope to see in future issues of the SMG is a series of articles on how he does his grass, weeds and trees. > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30104	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions

At 05:56 AM 3/12/04 +0000, you wrote: >As i sit here as the nighttime mercury dips into the teens in the >Chicago suburbs, I have a few questions about smoke units: > >1.) Does the gauge (thickness) of the nichrome wire wrapped around >the wick material make a difference if it is thicker or thinner than >what is usually supplied in the replacement kits (like the ones from >PortLines Hobbies)? > >2.) I have heard you need to wind the nichrome wire around the wick >material about 55 times (please correct me if I'm wrong on the >number of wraps). > >What effect does it have if you use >a.) fewer than the normal (i.e. 55) and >b.) more than the normal number of windings? > >3.) Can the windings overlap (touch each other) in any place? >What would happen if they do? > >Thanks, > >Phil K The kits that come from Portlines are an excellent replacement. The problem is they may have a little too much wire and wick material. The unit should read in the area of 40 ohms. If you simply put in a new wick, you might end up with too much resistance. Simply use a meter, cut off the excess and leave enough extra to make your solder connection. There's more wick material than the original too. You can get it all in, if you try. Or, you can trim that too. There are two tricks you might want to try. The holes between the upper chamber and the lower chamber can be enlarged a drill size or two. This will allow easier installation and a higher flow of fluid. Also, use simple lamp oil. You can get a quart for $3.00 .That's a lot cheaper than those 2 oz. bottles that use the same thing...................................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30105	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions

Here's a trick I use to get the wick down through those itty-bitty holes. I take a piece of strong thread and fold it over with about 6" folded back. This forms a loop. Pinch the end of the loop to a point and push it up through a hole. Now, from the top put the loop around an end of the wick, let a 1/2" of the wick go through the loop. Wet it with smoke fluid, then pull the loop with the wick back down through the hole. If you drill out the hole a little larger, it is much easier. This is a whole lot easier than trying to "thread teh needle" using the end of the wick. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > At 05:56 AM 3/12/04 +0000, you wrote: > > >As i sit here as the nighttime mercury dips into the teens in the > >Chicago suburbs, I have a few questions about smoke units: > > > >1.) Does the gauge (thickness) of the nichrome wire wrapped around > >the wick material make a difference if it is thicker or thinner than > >what is usually supplied in the replacement kits (like the ones from > >PortLines Hobbies)? > > > >2.) I have heard you need to wind the nichrome wire around the wick > >material about 55 times (please correct me if I'm wrong on the > >number of wraps). > > > >What effect does it have if you use > >a.) fewer than the normal (i.e. 55) and > >b.) more than the normal number of windings? > > > >3.) Can the windings overlap (touch each other) in any place? > >What would happen if they do? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Phil K > > > The kits that come from Portlines are an excellent replacement. > The problem is they may have a little too much wire and wick material. > The unit should read in the area of 40 ohms. If you simply put > in a new wick, you might end up with too much resistance. Simply use a > meter, cut off the excess and leave enough extra to make your solder > connection. > There's more wick material than the original too. You can get it > all in, if you try. Or, you can trim that too. > There are two tricks you might want to try. The holes between > the upper chamber and the lower chamber can be enlarged a drill size or > two. This will allow easier installation and a higher flow of fluid. Also, > use simple lamp oil. You can get a quart for $3.00 .That's a lot cheaper > than those 2 oz. bottles that use the same > thing...................................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30106	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke unit questions

waldootten <waldootten@...> wrote: 1.) Does the gauge (thickness) of the nichrome wire wrapped around the wick material make a difference if it is thicker or thinner than what is usually supplied in the replacement kits (like the ones from PortLines Hobbies)? Yes, it makes a difference. The thicker the wire, the longer the length that is needed to cause it to heat up. 2.) I have heard you need to wind the nichrome wire around the wick material about 55 times (please correct me if I'm wrong on the number of wraps). 55 sounds high. More important than the number of wraps is the length of the wire needed to produce the desired resistance (30-40 Ohms), heat, and smoke. The right number of wraps is whatever it takes to get that length wrapped around the wick leaving enough wire for the leads. What effect does it have if you use a.) fewer than the normal (i.e. 55) and A shorter wire (fewer wraps,) will run hotter and increase the likelyhood that the coil will burn out. b.) more than the normal number of windings? Too much wire will not generate much heat and smoke. 3.) Can the windings overlap (touch each other) in any place? They are not supposed to. What would happen if they do? The coils that touch will run cooler than they should and the other coils will run hotter. If too many are touching it could cause the coil to burn out. Doug does have instructions on his web site: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic1.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30107	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2212

SMOKE UNIT: The wire size determines the resistance ( ohms per foot ) of the wire. Wire should be approximately a # 40 using about 7" wire, wind coil around the fiberglass wick unit, careful not to touch the other wires, for best results check the resistance, 35 ohms works well for me. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30108	From: Rick	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Hi everyone

I have a train question and I don;t know where to turn with it. Someone I know bought an antique safe at an auction. It took forever to find someone who could open it without damaging it but they finally did it. There was nothing inside except a bunch of old license plates from rail cars. They are trying to find out if there is any way to find out any information about them and what they may be worth. They think and I tend to agree that if they were locked inside this huge safe that they had to have value for someone at some point. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30109	From: David Engle	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Hi everyone

Are these license plates tht came off railroad-owned highway vehicles, or what? Railcrs themselves would not have license plates as such, the only thing close to that is a builder's plate on a locomotive. DJE -----Original Message----- From: Rick [mailto:rdupuis@...] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:43 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hi everyone I have a train question and I don;t know where to turn with it. Someone I know bought an antique safe at an auction. It took forever to find someone who could open it without damaging it but they finally did it. There was nothing inside except a bunch of old license plates from rail cars. They are trying to find out if there is any way to find out any information about them and what they may be worth. They think and I tend to agree that if they were locked inside this huge safe that they had to have value for someone at some point. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks Rick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30110	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Modern Poles Not In Warsaw

The "hot off the press" edition of Walthers's latest "slick" shows some 1/2-O Cellular Towers on pg.57. This should please the "moderns" as cellular phone service is somewhat of a modern phenomenon. As cellular service relies on horizon to horizon----Can you hear me now?----for connection maintenance, cellular towers's heights vary all over the "waterfront"(?). These towers should scale out a bit above 67' in S. Here, in the mountainous wilds of Arizona, the tree-huggers, Sierra Club, and "Those Opposed to Visual Pollution" have coerced the cellular companies into masking their towers as inordinately-tall pine trees with little antennae on top. So, if the Walthers's towers don't cut it for you at about 67', consider a mountain scene with an instant-grow pine tree that has shiny antennae and blinks at its crown. "Only God can make a tree." {:-) As an aside, this an anecdote that used to circulate among Phone Pharm Pholks about why AT&T, the originators of cellular service, decided to call it "cellular." As the story goes, some "jokers" at the Basking Ridge, NJ annex derived the word "cellular" because they, rightfully so, figured Orientals could not pronounce a word with so many "l's." This proved out as we "hawked" cellular stuff at trade shows in Lost Wages and Chicago only to witness the "Visitors from the East" abort "cellular" into "say-you-are." [:--} Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30111	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Ideal radius

- GreetingS - Ideal radius - well, if i were to build an outdoor S-gauge railway, I would choose 6 feet as the minimum mainline radius. This would be for good looks. On the other hand, Mike Myers' AF 4-8-4 easily pulled 100 free-rolling cars at the S South meet in Richmond last Saturday where the C-shaped layout had mostly 27 inch radius curves. I'd like to say that the trackwork was perfect, but some of my modules were in the layout. That eliminates perfect. The crew did get the 98 1/2 car train to make two or more loops with no derailment. Nickel-silver rails look great. My expeerience with a goodly quantity of Gargraves on my home layout is that it needs to be wiped down with mineral spirits. 91% isopropyl, or other good cleaner several times a year. Keep the trains rolling. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30112	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2212

Has anyone tried to completely remove the inner divider in a smoke unit so that the wick sits bathed in the fluid without having to draw it up through the holes? Tim Brown > > SMOKE UNIT: The wire size determines the resistance ( ohms per > foot ) of the wire. Wire should be approximately a # 40 using about 7" > wire, wind coil around the fiberglass wick unit, careful not to touch the > other wires, for best results check the resistance, 35 ohms works well > for me. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30113	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Ebay Auction Question

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179937955 Check the link above, I am curious if the box is the target here. Or is there something about this 801? Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30114	From: larryasp	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Auction Question

Write the chap and ask him. Most dealers dont mind answering sensible questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Auction Question > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179937955 > > > Check the link above, I am curious if the box is the target here. Or is > there something about this 801? > > > Mark > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30115	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Auction Question

I can answer that for you. Basically nothing, except the item is near mint in the box and a bidding war is going on. Tannerman's is not a dealer in AF, but an auction house, that has come across a very nice collection of near mint AF. Some of the items that are for sale, were won at reasonable pricing and some have gone for some really "high" prices. i.e.. A beautiful NMIB 25052 for $512, a 979 for $282, a NH Auto transport for $450 or so. So common box cars for over $150, that should go for $40 at the most. One is a 922. So, it is just a bidding war, as all of these pieces are NMIB and that is fine for the winner. I myself, just got a Jet Transport Flat for $257 and it came today and the car is beautiful. A reasonable price, as in TM it would be $270. Although, they said the car is NMIB, it could really pass a mint car, as the wheels, are a bright black plastic, with no look of any wear to them at all, being run on a track. All of the feedback for his cars are wonderful. He only charged me $5.95 for shipping, he used a NEW shipping box, not a re-cycled box. You get a delivery confirmation of shipment from UPS and a confirmation of delivery also. I won this car yesterday and it was here today. Very pleased. They seem like decent people to deal with, as they sell other things also. They had no reserve on any of the AF. There were two 900 series red band passenger cars that went for 125, NMIB, which is below market. So the pricing is hit and miss on to the demand for the items. They do have great pictures and description of each train. Very honest, in mentioning any flaw, like minor rust on a wheel or coupler, probably due to moisture, being stored for 40 years or more. I hope this helps you with the answer, as I agree, that some of the winning bids had been something, but people bid these prices for a reason. Because they want the item. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Auction Question > Write the chap and ask him. Most dealers dont mind answering sensible > questions. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Auction Question > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3179937955 > > > > > > Check the link above, I am curious if the box is the target here. Or is > > there something about this 801? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30116	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 14, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30117	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer website award

Hi Folks Just a reminder, you can still vote for the NASG's Promotions committee Josh Seltzer website award. Just go to your favorite S website [it can be a commercial, club, organization or an individuals] and click on the Josh Seltzer award to vote. The award will be presented at the NASG National convention in Chicago this July. Lots of votes in but looking for more. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30118	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Smoke wick question

In a message dated 03/12/2004 3:53:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: Has anyone tried to completely remove the inner divider in a smoke unit so that the wick sits bathed in the fluid without having to draw it up through the holes? Tim Brown I'm afraid that if you did that the wick would be too unrestricted and saturated to the point of cooling the wires and not producing smoke. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30119	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke wick question

Hi, Well, I was interested if anybody other than me has actually done it. I did it on a Hudson smoke unit and the thing absolutely pours out smoke such that it even comes out of the linkage area. So, I guess my real question is, has anybody other than me ever done it and what were the actual long term consequences, all speculation aside. Tim Brown ---------- ---------- In a message dated 03/12/2004 3:53:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: Has anyone tried to completely remove the inner divider in a smoke unit so that the wick sits bathed in the fluid without having to draw it up through the holes? Tim Brown I'm afraid that if you did that the wick would be too unrestricted and saturated to the point of cooling the wires and not producing smoke. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30120	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Modeling guide Issue 3

Andy, I am with you. I have already seen what it looks like, and it is wonderful. Now, I want to know how he does it. Lance At 10:52 PM 3/11/04 -0600, Andrew_Malette wrote: >Hi, > >I agree. The article should be in-depth, though. I am not much for >the 'This is what it looks like, now guess how I did it.' aticles. > > >cheers, > >Andy Malette > > >On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:05:03 -0500, Lance McCold wrote >> The third issue of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is the best yet. >> >> My favorite part is the cover. Simon Parent makes the best scenery I >> have ever seen. >> >> What I hope to see in future issues of the SMG is a series of >> articles on how he does his grass, weeds and trees. >> >> Lance McCold >> Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30121	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/12/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-Together at York

Hi Mark! Just what is the criteria for this get together? Does one bring unusal ACG items for show and tell or what? I have a couple of "gems" I might bring along....Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Preman" <amerflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Get-Together at York > Those of you going to York.......... > > Don't forget the Gilbert Get-together Thursday evening > 9pm at the Four Corners Hotel. We always have some > amazing things to see in our "show and tell" meeting. Mark > > ===== > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30122	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars

Perhaps you like me assume that you don't have much use for stock cars, especially stock cars from "other" railroads, and certainly not stock cars from far away roads. Once in a while I read other e-lists, and this stock car topic caught my eye. I forward one of the most informative of the messages. Ted Ed, I've seen evidence that coal was delivered to fuel dealers in CN stockcars, so there were certainly other loads. Since the car rules indicated a car had to be returned empty to its home road by the original routing (so everybody shared equally in the shipping revenue, as well as a the dead-heading) and it could be "captured" enroute and loaded with any suitable commodity, as long as that routing continued the car in a homeward direction, there was no reason a stockcar couldn't be used to ship any appropriate, weather resistant commodity. Coal and coke were regularly shipped in stockcars. As was lumber, hides, (and not necessarily from the destination of the previous, living load!), and crushed gravel. In many cases the railroads made modifications to the stockcars that allowed them to be used more efficiently in other service. Santa Fe had cars that included drop bottom doors for gravel/coal/coke service, and was also know for adding wood interiors to use the cars during the grain season for grain shipments. This improved the backhauling revenue generated by the cars as well as increasing the utilization of the cars during times of the year when the stock traffic was down. Note that stockcars were used to haul commodities (cows, pigs, and such) but NOT any and all animals. I guarantee that any load of horses in a stockcar were certainly not on their way to Churchill Downs <g>!-- race horses road in special baggage cars! Marty On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 11:03 AM, ed_mines wrote: > In an earlier post Tim Gilbert mentioned that lumber was occasionally > shipped in stock cars. > > Under what circumstances were stock cars used for loadings other than > live stock? Did the shipper have a choice? I can think of several > examples where the loads were definitely not return loads. > > How common were these non livestock loadings? Would they be good > justification for having foreign stock cars far from home where they > might not be expected (say a NP stock car in the east)? > > I've mentioned before that Henry Maywald told me he photographed a > Rio Grande stock car on Long Island with a load of Spanish style > roofing tiles. > > On Ted's web site there's a photo of a GN double sheathed box car > with truss rods and a LIRR GR gon with a stock car (MILW?) in the > background. This photo was taken before 1950 taken somewhere on the > LIRR (Long Island Railroad). On the internet I found a summary of the > loadings received on the LIRR in 1950 and no livestock was received > in 1950! > > Another example of an out of place stock car is a CB&Q steam era > stock car on the Erie in Newark, NJ in the book "Diamondbugs" (an > Erie name for doodlebugs, i.e. self propelled rail cars). > > Ed Mines > > ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30123	From: keefer1	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: HO Price

Can anyone give me a ballpark price on a 31036 gibert ho steamer? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30124	From: jt12313	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Alco/GP-7 trucks... eventually wanted:)

In efforts to keep busy before I redo my roof this spring I am tinkering with little projects. Right now I am testing the waters for Alco and GP-7 trucks and Alco A unit frames for an upcoming project. Be they flyer or flyonel... what have you? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30125	From: jt12313	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Showcase-Flyer track adaptors and other track questions

Hello all, I am planning out the layout that I have been meaning to build for, well decades. I have a couple of sets of original flyer switches and the starter set of Showcase track plus two boxes of straights. I know that Showcase sells a package of adaptors to link the respective tracks together. How does it work... regarding fit, possible derailments etc. oh, does Showcase sell extra curves the same arc as the starter pack, i.e. similar to the flyer curves Thanks, Jeff Tangeman ps. I also saw in the NASG Dispatch that someone sells wye switches, would those work with original flyer and the later track like showcase or is just for Gargraves type track. jt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30126	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: Showcase-Flyer track adaptors and other track questions

Dear JT. We have images of the AF adaptors in our catalog. Do you have one? Don PS Yes, we do sell the 00259 20" radius curves 6/box. jt12313 wrote: >Hello all, > >I am planning out the layout that I have been meaning to build for, well decades. I have a couple of sets of original flyer switches and the starter set of Showcase track plus two boxes of straights. I know that Showcase sells a package of adaptors to link the respective tracks together. > >How does it work... regarding fit, possible derailments etc. > >oh, does Showcase sell extra curves the same arc as the starter pack, i.e. similar to the flyer curves > >Thanks, > >Jeff Tangeman > >ps. I also saw in the NASG Dispatch that someone sells wye switches, would those work with original flyer and the later track like showcase or is just for Gargraves type track. jt > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30127	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: York Gilbert Get-Together Question

Hi Mark! Just what is the criteria for this get together? Does one bring unusal ACG items for show and tell or what? I have a couple of "gems" I might bring along....Al Al et al.............. The whole concept is an evening of Gilbert goodies where you can see, touch, and ask questions. Those of us that have "gems" bring 'em for show and tell. Those that don't got'em can enjoy seeing those of others. It's an hour or two of just good fun and discussion of our favorite toys. It is free to all as Clay Buckage(from this list), his dad, and I pay for the room. Come one, come all! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30128	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars

Hi Ted! Canadian Pacific had a few horse cars that were modified baggage cars. I believe that they have at least one or two left designated as "Heritage" cars. I think that any old piece's of rolling stock that is still surviving on the system , cannot be scrapped. Last year here in Calgary, they had a numerous collection of old cars , including RDC Budd cars, 40'box cars, Grove passenger cars and my favorite, an honest to goodness depressed flat car, just like the ACG one! These cars are slated for museums across Canada, according to a discussion I had with a CP official last June. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larson" <mhrreast@...> To: "Scale S" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Trains S" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] nonlivestock loadings in stock cars > Perhaps you like me assume that you don't have much use for stock cars, > especially stock cars from "other" railroads, and certainly not stock > cars from far away roads. Once in a while I read other e-lists, and > this stock car topic caught my eye. I forward one of the most > informative of the messages. Ted > > > Ed, > > I've seen evidence that coal was delivered to fuel dealers in CN > stockcars, so there were certainly other loads. > > Since the car rules indicated a car had to be returned empty to its > home road by the original routing (so everybody shared equally in the > shipping revenue, as well as a the dead-heading) and it could be > "captured" enroute and loaded with any suitable commodity, as long as > that routing continued the car in a homeward direction, there was no > reason a stockcar couldn't be used to ship any appropriate, weather > resistant commodity. > > Coal and coke were regularly shipped in stockcars. As was lumber, > hides, (and not necessarily from the destination of the previous, > living load!), and crushed gravel. > > In many cases the railroads made modifications to the stockcars that > allowed them to be used more efficiently in other service. Santa Fe had > cars that included drop bottom doors for gravel/coal/coke service, and > was also know for adding wood interiors to use the cars during the > grain season for grain shipments. This improved the backhauling revenue > generated by the cars as well as increasing the utilization of the cars > during times of the year when the stock traffic was down. > > Note that stockcars were used to haul commodities (cows, pigs, and > such) but NOT any and all animals. I guarantee that any load of horses > in a stockcar were certainly not on their way to Churchill Downs <g>!-- > race horses road in special baggage cars! > > Marty > > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 11:03 AM, ed_mines wrote: > > > In an earlier post Tim Gilbert mentioned that lumber was occasionally > > shipped in stock cars. > > > > Under what circumstances were stock cars used for loadings other than > > live stock? Did the shipper have a choice? I can think of several > > examples where the loads were definitely not return loads. > > > > How common were these non livestock loadings? Would they be good > > justification for having foreign stock cars far from home where they > > might not be expected (say a NP stock car in the east)? > > > > I've mentioned before that Henry Maywald told me he photographed a > > Rio Grande stock car on Long Island with a load of Spanish style > > roofing tiles. > > > > On Ted's web site there's a photo of a GN double sheathed box car > > with truss rods and a LIRR GR gon with a stock car (MILW?) in the > > background. This photo was taken before 1950 taken somewhere on the > > LIRR (Long Island Railroad). On the internet I found a summary of the > > loadings received on the LIRR in 1950 and no livestock was received > > in 1950! > > > > Another example of an out of place stock car is a CB&Q steam era > > stock car on the Erie in Newark, NJ in the book "Diamondbugs" (an > > Erie name for doodlebugs, i.e. self propelled rail cars). > > > > Ed Mines > > > > > > ===== > Ted Larson > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30129	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Get-Together Question

When and where is the get to gether,I am setting up at all the shows for the York week. Thanks Bob Mark Preman <amerflyer@...> wrote:Hi Mark! Just what is the criteria for this get together? Does one bring unusal ACG items for show and tell or what? I have a couple of "gems" I might bring along....Al Al et al.............. The whole concept is an evening of Gilbert goodies where you can see, touch, and ask questions. Those of us that have "gems" bring 'em for show and tell. Those that don't got'em can enjoy seeing those of others. It's an hour or two of just good fun and discussion of our favorite toys. It is free to all as Clay Buckage(from this list), his dad, and I pay for the room. Come one, come all! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30130	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Jerry Dobbs

This is for Jerry Dobbs: Jerry, I sent you some emails earlier and they were returned to me. I hope you get this message through S list. If you do, let me know, if something is going on with your email address. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30131	From: David Engle	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Re: nonlivestock loadings in stock cars

ROCI ISLAND apparently bought about 200 stock cars from MKT, and laid up plywood sheeting inside the side slats, and ran them as boxcars during the 1960s due to a car shortage in place at the time, this was the Langdon administration. At the same time, RI acquired panel side and offset side hoppers from VGN and N&W, and placed them in service with minimal relettering. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Larson [mailto:mhrreast@...] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:22 AM To: Scale S Cc: Trains S Subject: [S-Trains] nonlivestock loadings in stock cars Perhaps you like me assume that you don't have much use for stock cars, especially stock cars from "other" railroads, and certainly not stock cars from far away roads. Once in a while I read other e-lists, and this stock car topic caught my eye. I forward one of the most informative of the messages. Ted Ed, I've seen evidence that coal was delivered to fuel dealers in CN stockcars, so there were certainly other loads. Since the car rules indicated a car had to be returned empty to its home road by the original routing (so everybody shared equally in the shipping revenue, as well as a the dead-heading) and it could be "captured" enroute and loaded with any suitable commodity, as long as that routing continued the car in a homeward direction, there was no reason a stockcar couldn't be used to ship any appropriate, weather resistant commodity. Coal and coke were regularly shipped in stockcars. As was lumber, hides, (and not necessarily from the destination of the previous, living load!), and crushed gravel. In many cases the railroads made modifications to the stockcars that allowed them to be used more efficiently in other service. Santa Fe had cars that included drop bottom doors for gravel/coal/coke service, and was also know for adding wood interiors to use the cars during the grain season for grain shipments. This improved the backhauling revenue generated by the cars as well as increasing the utilization of the cars during times of the year when the stock traffic was down. Note that stockcars were used to haul commodities (cows, pigs, and such) but NOT any and all animals. I guarantee that any load of horses in a stockcar were certainly not on their way to Churchill Downs <g>!-- race horses road in special baggage cars! Marty On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 11:03 AM, ed_mines wrote: > In an earlier post Tim Gilbert mentioned that lumber was occasionally > shipped in stock cars. > > Under what circumstances were stock cars used for loadings other than > live stock? Did the shipper have a choice? I can think of several > examples where the loads were definitely not return loads. > > How common were these non livestock loadings? Would they be good > justification for having foreign stock cars far from home where they > might not be expected (say a NP stock car in the east)? > > I've mentioned before that Henry Maywald told me he photographed a > Rio Grande stock car on Long Island with a load of Spanish style > roofing tiles. > > On Ted's web site there's a photo of a GN double sheathed box car > with truss rods and a LIRR GR gon with a stock car (MILW?) in the > background. This photo was taken before 1950 taken somewhere on the > LIRR (Long Island Railroad). On the internet I found a summary of the > loadings received on the LIRR in 1950 and no livestock was received > in 1950! > > Another example of an out of place stock car is a CB&Q steam era > stock car on the Erie in Newark, NJ in the book "Diamondbugs" (an > Erie name for doodlebugs, i.e. self propelled rail cars). > > Ed Mines > > ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30132	From: starr007	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: rust removal

I have learned from a friend of a great way to remove rust. You can soak whatever you have in vinegar and it will remove rust. I used 12% which is available at organic nursery supply stores. I used about half vinegar and half water as the 12% is pretty strong. I have taken the rust off track, diesel engine frames and passenger and freight car frames. You must be aware this soulution will take the blue off of the previously mentioned pieces. I have not tried to reblue any of them yet, But I don't think it will to hard using one of the products available for rebluing guns.Also, I have found that soaking any plastic parts ( diesel engine shells, freight or passenger car shells ) that you wish to remove the paint from, in a mixture of Castrol super clean purple stuff and water will do a good job. I use about one half water and one half purple stuff. It works better on the older American Flyer finishes than it does on the new stuff from Lionel. Hope this might be of help to some of you with rust problems. Youy may want to use caution with the vinegar as it will disolve the pot metal on diesel engine sideframes and possibly on passenger car trucks. I would advise disassembly of frames and trucks before soaking. I hope this may be of use to some of you, Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30133	From: Hall G	Date: 3/13/2004
Subject: Lots of S at Seattle GATS

Wow this is one of the biggest shows that I have been to in a while with lots of S and old AF for sale. Very good selection at the Seattle GATS show this weekend! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30134	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: $650.00 981 Central Of Georgia Boxcar sold on e-BAY????????

Hi Ya'll, What did I miss about this car??? Any ideas?? Dc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30135	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: S scale Fox Trucks

I just found 5 pairs of Train Stuff Fox trucks for sale on E-bay. Robin and I made these many years ago and I think they are the most asked about item from our old customers. Just a heads up if you are looking for a pair. A very good history of the project is included. Best regards, Don http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3181783373 !#@*?! Trainstuff S Scale Fox Trucks 5 Pairs of S Scale Freight Trucks, Complete with Scale Wheelsets Don and Robin Thompson started !#@*?! Trainstuff in very late 1976 or 1977 to produce what was then modern freight cars and shortly thereafter, CNJ heavyweight passenger cars. With the help of Tom Shortall, whose JC Models had produced passenger cars since 1939, !#@*?! Trainstuff was able to produce white metal castings. When Jerry Viemeister created the patterns in late 1977 or very early 1978, the Fox truck became available. As !#@*?! Trainstuff pointed out, these trucks were popular into the 1920's and were afterwards used on non-interchange cars, a good example of which are MoW cars. This lot consists of 5 pairs of S scale freight trucks, complete with scale wheelsets, plus one set of castings and parts for a sixth pair of trucks, but less the wheelsets. The castings for the sixth pair utilize the original 3-part bolsters. The other 5 pairs have the single bolster castings. 2 pair of trucks are in their original, later style, vacuum drawn packaging. 3 pair are in polybags, which may, or may not, be original. 1 pair of trucks is assembled and painted, see picture, the others are unpainted white metal. Brass bushings are used to prevent wear in the white metal journal castings and to promote easy rolling. The five trucks with wheelsets use Robert Miller scale wheelsets. The sideframes are affixed rigidly to the bolsters and the journals are individually sprung. Some filing may be necessary to ensure smooth journal movement [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30136	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke wick question

Don't the two holes that the wick passes through hold the wick in place so it doesn't touch the sides of the chamber? If you could figure out a way to hold it in place it might work. I've been wondering if there is some way to add a second wick to double the potential smoke output. Maybe in the fore-to-aft chamber area that leads to the front where the smokestack is? Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Timboy@a... wrote: > Hi, > > Well, I was interested if anybody other than me has actually done it. I did it on a Hudson smoke unit and the thing absolutely pours out smoke such that it even comes out of the linkage area. So, I guess my real question is, has anybody other than me ever done it and what were the actual long term consequences, all speculation aside. > > Tim Brown > > > > ---------- > > > ---------- > > In a message dated 03/12/2004 3:53:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, > Timboy@a... writes: > Has anyone tried to completely remove the inner divider in a smoke unit so > that the wick sits bathed in the fluid without having to draw it up through the > holes? > > Tim Brown > I'm afraid that if you did that the wick would be too unrestricted and > saturated to the point of cooling the wires and not producing smoke. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30137	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Very Neat Signaling Web Page

http://www.nymr.demon.co.uk/signals/signals_1.htm I was looking up a railroad mentioned in the 1980 BBC "Great Railway Journies of the World" series and discovered this neat page... MAYBE I will understand all of this semaphore related signaling... someday. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 14, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30139	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/14/2004
Subject: Re: $650.00 981 Central Of Georgia Boxcar sold on e-BAY????????

It is quite possible that the 981 C of GA car was a Dull black paint version that is listed in TM for 400 in E, that price of 650 for a near mint in box version would be fine to me. The Shiny black paint version list for 160 in E and that would not be a fine price for that car if it is. There is no mention of what version the car was in the auction, as the seller probably didn't know since he is not a AF seller overall persay. I don't know how to tell the difference. The seller did no wrong, as the buyers either assumed it was the rare version with out verifying it. Maybe they did. Or maybe they just got into another biding war for these cars from Tannerman's. Again, I got one of his cars for bid, at a great price and the car is wonderful. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <dcupluvr@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] $650.00 981 Central Of Georgia Boxcar sold on e-BAY???????? > Hi Ya'll, > > What did I miss about this car??? Any ideas?? > > Dc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30140	From: john crotty	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: INPUTS WANTED

i came upon a AMERICAN FLYER 290 STEAMER WITH THE METAL TENDER. THIS METAL TENDER HAS A APPROX'. 1/8" SQUARE HOLE AT THE BOTTOM D IRECTLY UNDER THEW LETTER "n" OF THE AMERICAN! WHATS IT FOR, DOES ANYONE HAVE A INSIGHT TO WHAT OTHER OF A.C.'s TRAIN PRODUCTIONS THIS HOLE WOULD BE IN? WAS THE SHEET METAL STAMPED ACCIDENTALLY -MY GUESS IS THE SHEET METAL IN THIS ONE WAS GOING TO ANOTHER PRODUCT BUT NEVER GOT THERE ,INSTEAD WAS USED HERE IN ASSEMBLING THIS TENDER. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30141	From: vickiec40403	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: diesel armature

Hi, Does anyone have a used deisel (466) armature they would like to sell,please send price and shipping by e-mail. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30142	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: INPUTS WANTED

Every Atlantic and Pacific that I have with a tin tender has the same hole-perhaps the 295, which had a "whistle", was the reason-let more sound out while keeping production costs down by making just one shell-and I do believe that a whistling Atlantic was one of Gilbert's many "cataloged, never produced" items. I yield the floor to The Man, Doug Peck, for verification.-john marganski Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30143	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit

SMOKE UNIT I would not change the design of the unit by cutting or drilling additional openings in the casting. The unit is designed to prevent fluid from seeping from the tank and to prevent fires in the heating chamber. A clean wick will draw sufficient fluid to generate lots of smoke. I put a small amount of alcohol into the unit, let it set over night, this will help keep the wick soft and prevent the wick from being coagulated with old smoke fluid. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30144	From: Irving washington	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Re: INPUTS WANTED

I loooked at my stuff.it looks like they all have,(or had,if they were repaints) a hole.I would show it to one of the experts,like Paul or Doug. Irving >From: john crotty <> >Reply-To: JAY@..., UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR >To: s-trains@... >CC: polpolk9@... >Subject: [S-Trains] INPUTS WANTED >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:39:09 -0800 (PST) > >i came upon a AMERICAN FLYER 290 STEAMER WITH THE METAL TENDER. THIS METAL >TENDER HAS A APPROX'. 1/8" SQUARE HOLE AT THE BOTTOM D IRECTLY UNDER THEW >LETTER "n" OF THE AMERICAN! WHATS IT FOR, DOES ANYONE HAVE A INSIGHT >TO WHAT OTHER OF A.C.'s TRAIN PRODUCTIONS THIS HOLE WOULD BE IN? WAS THE >SHEET METAL STAMPED ACCIDENTALLY -MY GUESS IS THE SHEET METAL IN THIS ONE >WAS GOING TO ANOTHER PRODUCT BUT NEVER GOT THERE ,INSTEAD WAS USED HERE IN >ASSEMBLING THIS TENDER. > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30145	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: CTT renewal

I just received a renewal letter for my subscription for CTT. CTT needs to be politically corect on their envelope with the three rail track all over the top of that envelope. They need to think about the people who are into S scale, as S scale uses what rail track is suppose to be anyway. TWO RAILS! What is the matter with those O guage makers. Just having some fun, maybe I should let the subscriptioon lapse, so that I may qualify for the special $21.95, they offer those who stray away from the magazine! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30146	From: knockbill	Date: 3/15/2004
Subject: Tender side hole

Hi I saw somewhere the hole was punched in the side of the tin tender to support the floor from being pushed up from the bottom, If you look closely at the tender, there is a small piece of metal which is pushed inside, just above floor level... It makes sense to me, as I have a couple early Atlantics, that are not punched out, Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30147	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Happy S Day!

A very happy National (International?) S-Gauge Day to all our 3/16 friends out there. For those of you who don't know the story, this is the day that St. Gilbert the Toymaker drove the 3-rail track out of New Haven. We've been liberated ever since. YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30148	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!

On 16/3/04, John wrote: A very happy National (International?) S-Gauge Day Probably only National I'm afraid. I don't know who else writes their dates back-to-front;-) RegardS, Mark.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30149	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Christmas in March?

A past article from the Detroit News that may be of interest regarding toy trains and Christmas: http://www.detnews.com/history/toytrains/toytrains.htm The article is mostly Lionel-related as one can imagine, with Lionel based in nearby Chesterfield, MI. Be sure to hit the "Click for more photos" button. The first photo there sure appears to be of an American Flyer layout. And the fifth photo appears to have AF track though the caption indicates Lionel. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30150	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: "S" sized engine........SORRY

I just got this update from lyingnol....Sorry it isn't true!!!!!! In the latest Lionel E-newsletter there was a typo in the Santa Fe 4-8-4 Northern section. The copy incorrectly implied that this train is S-scale in the sentence "S scale-sized with exquisite separately applied detailing and fully-featured, including the RailSounds® 5.0 sound system, this Lionel locomotive offers a fitting tribute to a true American classic." The sentence should have read, "Scale-sized with exquisite separately applied detailing and fully-featured, including the RailSounds® 5.0 sound system, this Lionel locomotive offers a fitting tribute to a true American classic." We apologize for any confusion that this may have caused. Below is the corrected version of the Santa Fe 4-8-4 Northern. Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30151	From: trainman634	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Gargraves S Gauge Switches

I am wondering how many members of this forum use Gargraves switches on your layouts?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30152	From: larryasp	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER PREWAR 2-4-0

I have an opportunity to purchase a Flyer 2-4-0 pre war steamer. However - none of my catologues show this item - (I dont have all the pre war catalogues either). I dont know if the loco is complete - as there is no back wheels on this one. The question is - are the back wheels missing, or is it a production model that is correct without them. I cant see any place for the wheels to fit or attatch to on this one. It is a heavy metal tin plate, has no AF number on it, has single set of piping, and grabrails. If anyone can help, I would e mail a picture so as to get the facts correct on it. I also dont know which tender goes with it and would appreciate finding out, or if anyone had a spare, maybe purchase or swap? Im not a prewar nut, but may slowly be turning into one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30153	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!

I join John Eichmann and Mark Baker in wishing every a very happy S Day. And yes, unless the United States has just become a Canadian province, it is an international occasion. Joe Pereira, Edmonton email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30154	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: S Day

Hello All, I just like to wish everyone a happy 3/16th Day. As we all should know, S is the best. It's too bad all trains couldn't be S Gauge!!! Have A Great Day, Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30155	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!

Joe, I would love for the US to become part of Canada, since our dollar is worth .75 to your dollar or so, and then think of the AF by Lionel we could buy on the cheap, and of course S helper too! And besides your money is nicer too. You don't have dead people on your coins, but Animals, except the dime. And your currency is better as it has wildlife and the Loon is my favorite animal! Hope you know of Stan and Garnet Rogers! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <sigma@...> To: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Happy S Day! > I join John Eichmann and Mark Baker in wishing every a very happy S Day. > And yes, unless the United States has just become a Canadian province, it > is an international occasion. > Joe Pereira, Edmonton > > email: sigma@... > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30156	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: Irish Train Show

Can anyone tell me about the " toy and train" show held in Dublin in the fall. Is it large?. Is it worth going to? Etc? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30157	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Happy S Day!

Just a note to my friends of O on the TCA list! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [toytrains] Happy S Day! > Erney: > > Boy, do I feel bad now, Mike! About 2 years ago I sold Mark 3 or 4 peach crates full of 2 rail track at 10 cents a pop. The old AF type. And still made money. But that was before anyone would own up to being interested. Now, doggone it, Jerry and I both looked seriously at the switch to s scale. But then I would have to throw away all my AF 3 rail O gauge! Erney Alewine > > > We do S gauge converting on Wednesdays. Open up the window and throw all that L stuff away and it is done. O:)! > > Hey that is tomorrow, so you have time to get rid of that 3 rail stuff and lead a normal life in the 2 rail lane of life, the way track should be! > > Just kidding. I wouldn't expect you, Jerry M. or anyone else to get rid of your O to change over to something else! As Jerry told me, he has a lot of investment tied into his trains, and that would be a tough thing to do. It is nice that S is making a nice comeback with several makers of product. > > You must be talking about Mark Perlman, as I hope I spelled his name right. > That track will go for 1 to 3 dollars, now, depending on who really needs > it! I have a boat load that I got in the 1990's, switches, everything, that > I probably will get rid of, as I will use track from www.classictrains.com > in CA, as they have some really nice realistic S track, but they are waiting > for the switches to arrive in production, as I have seen a prototype and it > looks good. So I can't do anything yet, until the switches are here. They > need the switches and then the track will take off. Don't look back at > something you did, as it will only cause you grief. Forget it. It was a > right thing at the time for you. And you did okay with it. No one bug me > about the track I have yet, as I am not doing anything with it , until I > decide on what track to use for the layout. Maybe I could find some S track > that is Three Rail! > > And September 12 is only 7 months away, Erney! > > Mike > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30158	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Happy S Day!

Hey, at least they are responding about S. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: [toytrains] Happy S Day! > > Happy "S" Gauge Day to all of our 2 rail relatives, however, you might not > believe this, but after days, months, years, and nearly a half of a century, > 2 rail layouts look like there is something "missing", and that is the > Third RAIL, thanks be to Father Lionel for giving us that special extra > something called "The Third Rail" Jerry Matsick > > > Jerry, > > Isn't a Saint more important in the realm of things, so Saint Gilbert overrules Father Lionel! > > We forgive those 3 railers from straying into the Outer Limits. > > Thanks for the S wishes. You O gaugers are okay in my book too! > > And remember, FEAR THE TURTLE!! > > HELL IN A SHELL, GO TERPS! > > Sorry that was for Jerry, O:)! Must control myself. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MARYLAND! > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30159	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: AF questions

I have a couple of question about things on AF that could effect values on AF to the collectors out on the list. 1. I have noticed that on Ebay, there have been several USM Rocket Car sets for sale, 2 this week, without the original rocket. For those who don't know, the original rocket has a red cone, white body, no blue fins, and a white plastic ring above the fins on the tube. And no, I don't need this item, as I do have a very nice E+ set with the right rocket. My question is, how does the missing rocket value effect the value of this item, $50, $75,...just curious for any thought, as this item was only made in 1959 for the Defender set, before the other Defender sets had different cars. In TM, this car list for 520 in E and I understand that this is a guide, as the price could be more or less. 2. I just purchased a 21130 from a TCA member, who had this item on Ebay last month, and he stated that all the steps were on the piece and that nothing was broken, chipped or cracked and it would grade E+ according to TCA standards. Well, I won this item and he was right all steps were present and accounted for, but they re-glued on with repro's! In a way he was right, the steps were there. I trusted this guy, since he was quoted TCA standards, but he also left out the detail of the refinishing done to this piece, a "small" voilation of TCA rules. Plus there was some other problems with the piece. I returned this item to the seller and he promptly deducted his Ebay fee of $18 from the check that he had to pay Ebay, which I told him better not do. When the check came to me, he included a very nice note (nasty) to me, for me, to ask next time if the steps were reglued, as next time, someone will not let me out of this contract with Ebay! Well, I trusted this guy because of the above, I even sent him a question about the front of the tender, before the auctin ended, in which he restated to me that the tender was fine with the steps. It was very olvious that the steps were re-glued as you could see the hairline cracks and one step was crooked! He blamed me for this return. I have a 4 page letter of complaint going out to Mr. Peter Altoona at TCA today. But anyway, as a owner of a 21129 Hudson with two steps missing and a direct wire 21130 Hudson with one step missing, the one I had won, was a plug in version from February and some of you may remember seeing it, to those who collect AF, what is your opinion on how much per step would the value decease the item? $50 $75 per step? Thanks, I appreciate any responses, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30160	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: DPH Husky Stacks Coupler Height Improvement Project

This was posted on the S scale e-group on the fixes for the just released Husky Stacks. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.mainerailroads.org/huskystacks.html Michael Greene wrote: > As promised in an email I posted late last week, I've documented the > modifications made to my Des Plaines Husky Stacks R-T-R with scale > wheels & Kadee 802 couplers, to improve the coupler height. You will > find the details with photos at: > > http://www.mainerailroads.org/huskystacks.html > > Regards > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30161	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: Happy S Day!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > Joe, > > I would love for the US to become part of Canada, since our dollar is worth > .75 to your dollar or so, and then think of the AF by Lionel we could buy on > the cheap, and of course S helper too! > I've been looking at AF prices on my frequent trips to Canada over the last 5 years. The exchange rate was more favorable to the US dollar and has shifted the last year. I have also looked at L and MTH pricing. I haven't found anything "on the cheap" after you convert the price back to US dollars. If anything the Canadian prices end up being very close to "list" and higher than you would pay in the US. And that's before all the taxes get added on!!! Just my observation. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30162	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Happy S Day!

Erney, You are okay with me and St. Gilbert. Remember, St. Gilbert was converted over too, as he move the company from Chicago to greener pastures in New Haven for the scale of S! But the New Haven Raven Minor League Baseball team has fled the state to New Hampshire! Almost as bad! LOL! Another S and O fact, the US Mint still makes coins in San Francisco for collectors only, the S mint mark, but the New Orleans mint, O mark shut down YEARS ago. Even the government knows that an S is better than a O! Long live S! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erney Alewine" <snpl8r@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: [toytrains] Happy S Day! > > Isn't a Saint more important in the realm of things, so Saint Gilbert > overrules Father Lionel! We forgive those 3 railers from straying into the Outer Limits. Thanks for the S wishes. You O gaugers are okay in my book too! And remember, FEAR THE TURTLE!! Sorry that was for Jerry, O:)! Must control myself. Mike Marmer > > > Mike, Quite allright, no harm no foul. As far as Saints, I seem to follow the one most pertinent to blunder, St. OOPID. > > See ya, Erney > Erney Alewine > Clermont, Florida 34711 > TCA 97-46023 > snpl8r@... > When talk-n-10pl8 is the "order" of the day > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30163	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: CTT

I just did a google search for CTT, as I am getting ready to send them an email about these $21.95 rates vs. the rate they want to charge me, a loyal subscriber, $39.95 and google first webpage looked like the official site for CTT but it was a Spam site for selling software for the computer. I have my 2nd to last issue to come to me, maybe, and I have the email addresses for them, so that I will send them a email about this issue. St. Gilbert and Father Lionel would never, never do something like that back in the 1950's and 1960's, as selling today is something else. I will let you all know what happens! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30164	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER U

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3181069805&category=19144&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Another ebay bid that is getting out of control for a $60 dollar car in E, TM guide and it is just a guide. Should go for $90, if you follow that guide and we have 28 minutes to go! It is at $157 and counting. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30165	From: xitter1224	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY

What makes the prices listed in a price guide law? The value of an item is what a buyer is willing to pay, and a seller willing to accept. Where do the price guides get their values? I've heard a lot about things being over priced on this board, but I've never heard anyone complain about something being underpriced. Maybe that only happens when someone goes to sell something and people offer too little. There has to be a balance, and prices level out when there is agreement between buyer and seller. Won't Ebay be the greatest thing ever, when you go to sell your collection and everyone over pays? The condo in Florida gets bigger by the day. :) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3181069805&category=19144&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA% 3AIT&rd=1 > > Another ebay bid that is getting out of control for a $60 dollar car in E, TM guide and it is just a guide. Should go for $90, if you follow that guide and we have 28 minutes to go! It is at $157 and counting. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30166	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revistied

I just got off the phone with the BK ENTERPRISES folks. The code 125 switches for my layout have a 5 month lead time, and you have to assemble them totally yourself. I really don't want to wait 5 months. The web site has no pictures so I also am not sure what I would be waiting for... Here are my needs. I have code 125 s-shelper flex track. I have roadbed all laid on my whole new layout. I need 2 code 125 Flyer RADIUS turnouts, that will just sit on the roadbed and connect up to my flex track. In looking at American Models, they do not seem to offer Flyer radius switches. Also S-Helper, seems to only have switches built into sectional track. In short I need a pair of switches (manual or remote), Flyer radius, that will mount on my roadbed and run both scale and Flyer trucks. Any ideas? Are their any switches that lend themselves to kit bashing? Maybe convert HO switches or something. I am really starting to regret ever adding any switches to my new layout. Thanks in advance for any ideas! Chuck Harrington http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30167	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: St. Gilbert Day!

http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/display.pd?path=25508&bfrom=1&prodnum=3055380& In the spirit of St. Gilbert Day! Turn those speakers up and annoy your neighbors! It clean! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30168	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revisti

Dear Chuck, If your roadbed is 3/8" tall, our #3 switches on roadbed can be fitted in. Best regards, Don Chuck Harrington wrote: >I just got off the phone with the BK ENTERPRISES folks. The code 125 >switches for my layout have a 5 month lead time, and you have to >assemble them totally yourself. I really don't want to wait 5 months. >The web site has no pictures so I also am not sure what I would be >waiting for... > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30169	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Greenberg" Timonium Md

Hi Folks A family problem has come up. I won't be able to attend the Greenberg Train Show at Timonium Md. this weekend. The Greenberg folks have been very gracious about it. Please attend anyway as I am sure their will be S for sale at the show. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30170	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY

xitter1224, I don't think I came across as complaining about the selling price of this item, as it went for $167.00 in the end and I understand that price guides are just that, a guide, just like with coins, or any other collectable. If I did seem to be complaining, it wasn't a complaint, just an amazement at this price for a common AF item. Someday, I hope to get this kind of pricing for my AF items. No one force these people to bid on these things and I wrote in the past week, when a couple of people on the list were amazed at some of the other prices of cars in this lot, the seller had, I said, it all about how much these people wanted these items. And I wrote before, that people have their reasons for biding these prices. I am happy that these things are going for these prices, because someday, when it is time, I hope to get these prices, in relation to inflation in time, someday! If you fully read my first answer to someone, about these cars this seller, when a 801 Hopper for 90 was questioned, I mention that I got a Jet Transport for below the guide book, how that is amazing, and that several NMIB red stripe passenger cars went for $125 and $125 is the price in TM for these cars in E. Using TM formula, for what that is worth, these cars should of gone for 190 or more. So, it is the force of economics at work, supply and demand. Some cars were in more of a demand that others from this seller. Also, a very nice MoPac in E/E+ from a friend on mine, who owns that fish store, in NJ, that I have mention in the past, went for $107, where in TM it list for $145 in E. That should of gone for 160 or more, as I was surprise about that one. I myself, since you are interesting in below market pricing, won a mint with box, 956 for 85, 912 for 45 and a 977 for 65. All with the box, about 100 in total below the TM guide and it is just a guide. Actually to be fair, they were NMIB, as I knew that buying, but the pricing was wonderful, I couldn't past that up. They said they were mint, as the pictures were great for E or above, and the items were below E, so I purchased them on the grade of E. There is not a mark on the cars, but you see a very small amount of wear on the wheels. So I would now say, these items were about 80 below TM. And this prices can be found at shows too, high and low. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER Union Pacific > What makes the prices listed in a price guide law? The value of an > item is what a buyer is willing to pay, and a seller willing to > accept. > > Where do the price guides get their values? I've heard a lot about > things being over priced on this board, but I've never heard anyone > complain about something being underpriced. Maybe that only happens > when someone goes to sell something and people offer too little. > There has to be a balance, and prices level out when there is > agreement between buyer and seller. > > Won't Ebay be the greatest thing ever, when you go to sell your > collection and everyone over pays? The condo in Florida gets bigger > by the day. :) > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3181069805&category=19144&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA% > 3AIT&rd=1 > > > > Another ebay bid that is getting out of control for a $60 dollar > car in E, TM guide and it is just a guide. Should go for $90, if you > follow that guide and we have 28 minutes to go! It is at $157 and > counting. > > > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30171	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLY

On the items that I won that were not really Mint in Box, I meant to write that the pricing was below E in TM from the seller, not the items, so I took a shot at them and won. Sorry for that mistake, as that line about the pricing was written too fast and I didn't re-read the email, before sending. The items are really NMIB and are wonderful. Very happy with the pricing. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER Union Pacific > xitter1224, > > I don't think I came across as complaining about the selling price of this > item, as it went for $167.00 in the end and I understand that price guides > are just that, a guide, just like with coins, or any other collectable. If I > did seem to be complaining, it wasn't a complaint, just an amazement at this > price for a common AF item. Someday, I hope to get this kind of pricing for > my AF items. > > No one force these people to bid on these things and I wrote in the past > week, when a couple of people on the list were amazed at some of the other > prices of cars in this lot, the seller had, I said, it all about how much > these people wanted these items. And I wrote before, that people have their > reasons for biding these prices. > > I am happy that these things are going for these prices, because someday, > when it is time, I hope to get these prices, in relation to inflation in > time, someday! > > If you fully read my first answer to someone, about these cars this seller, > when a 801 Hopper for 90 was questioned, I mention that I got a Jet > Transport for below the guide book, how that is amazing, and that several > NMIB red stripe passenger cars went for $125 and $125 is the price in TM for > these cars in E. Using TM formula, for what that is worth, these cars > should of gone for 190 or more. So, it is the force of economics at work, > supply and demand. Some cars were in more of a demand that others from this > seller. > > Also, a very nice MoPac in E/E+ from a friend on mine, who owns that fish > store, in NJ, that I have mention in the past, went for $107, where in TM it > list for $145 in E. That should of gone for 160 or more, as I was surprise > about that one. > > I myself, since you are interesting in below market pricing, won a mint with > box, 956 for 85, 912 for 45 and a 977 for 65. All with the box, about 100 > in total below the TM guide and it is just a guide. Actually to be fair, > they were NMIB, as I knew that buying, but the pricing was wonderful, I > couldn't past that up. They said they were mint, as the pictures were great > for E or above, and the items were below E, so I purchased them on the > grade of E. There is not a mark on the cars, but you see a very small > amount of wear on the wheels. So I would now say, these items were about 80 > below TM. > > And this prices can be found at shows too, high and low. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:19 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 3181069805 (Ends Mar-17-04 072733 PST) - > AMERICAN FLYER Union Pacific > > > > What makes the prices listed in a price guide law? The value of an > > item is what a buyer is willing to pay, and a seller willing to > > accept. > > > > Where do the price guides get their values? I've heard a lot about > > things being over priced on this board, but I've never heard anyone > > complain about something being underpriced. Maybe that only happens > > when someone goes to sell something and people offer too little. > > There has to be a balance, and prices level out when there is > > agreement between buyer and seller. > > > > Won't Ebay be the greatest thing ever, when you go to sell your > > collection and everyone over pays? The condo in Florida gets bigger > > by the day. :) > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3181069805&category=19144&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA% > > 3AIT&rd=1 > > > > > > Another ebay bid that is getting out of control for a $60 dollar > > car in E, TM guide and it is just a guide. Should go for $90, if you > > follow that guide and we have 28 minutes to go! It is at $157 and > > counting. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: (no subject)

If you read the front of your T&M Guide it explains the way they get their prices. It also tells you that a Mint In The Box piece will be worth another 60%. So if it's $90.00 add the 60% ($72.00) & you get $162.00.  It ended at I think $172 or $176. So they are pretty close.  Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30173	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: SORRY ABOUT THE MATH

The b60% should have been$54.00 +the $90 for $144. Close to the $167.50 Final price. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30174	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: AF Baldwin by "L"

Re: The new Baldwin. For anyone using the AllAboard panels, or any other PikeMaster track, the new "L" built Baldwin is not for you. Mine came today and the instructions say for 20 inch minimum radius. So, it's not for PikeMaster track. jfred Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30175	From: Bob Tufts	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF questions

Mike - 1. The missing rocket for the USM Rocket Car is worth about $50 in E+ condition. It is the same rocket as the one for the 25059 Rocket Launcher, so there are others out there. 2. The missing steps on the 21129 and 21130 Hudson tenders cuts their value by some$100-$150. That's because you have to find another 21130 Hudson with perfect steps to replace it, and the resulting Hudson is relegated to being just a runner. Best to wait for the perfect engine and pay the price. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Bob Tufts <puffntoot@...>; Harwood <Flyvw64@...>; mike thielle <mthielle@...>; Joseph Lechner <Joseph.Lechner@...> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: AF questions >I have a couple of question about things on AF that could effect values on >AF to the collectors out on the list. > >1. I have noticed that on Ebay, there have been several USM Rocket Car sets >for sale, 2 this week, without the original rocket. For those who don't >know, the original rocket has a red cone, white body, no blue fins, and a >white plastic ring above the fins on the tube. And no, I don't need this >item, as I do have a very nice E+ set with the right rocket. > >My question is, how does the missing rocket value effect the value of this >item, $50, $75,...just curious for any thought, as this item was only made >in 1959 for the Defender set, before the other Defender sets had different >cars. In TM, this car list for 520 in E and I understand that this is a >guide, as the price could be more or less. > >2. I just purchased a 21130 from a TCA member, who had this item on Ebay >last month, and he stated that all the steps were on the piece and that >nothing was broken, chipped or cracked and it would grade E+ according to >TCA standards. Well, I won this item and he was right all steps were >present and accounted for, but they re-glued on with repro's! In a way he >was right, the steps were there. I trusted this guy, since he was quoted >TCA standards, but he also left out the detail of the refinishing done to >this piece, a "small" voilation of TCA rules. Plus there was some other >problems with the piece. I returned this item to the seller and he promptly >deducted his Ebay fee of $18 from the check that he had to pay Ebay, which I >told him better not do. When the check came to me, he included a very nice >note (nasty) to me, for me, to ask next time if the steps were reglued, as >next time, someone will not let me out of this contract with Ebay! Well, I >trusted this guy because of the above, I even sent him a question about the >front of the tender, before the auctin ended, in which he restated to me >that the tender was fine with the steps. It was very olvious that the steps >were re-glued as you could see the hairline cracks and one step was crooked! >He blamed me for this return. I have a 4 page letter of complaint going out >to Mr. Peter Altoona at TCA today. > >But anyway, as a owner of a 21129 Hudson with two steps missing and a direct >wire 21130 Hudson with one step missing, the one I had won, was a plug in >version from February and some of you may remember seeing it, to those who >collect AF, what is your opinion on how much per step would the value >decease the item? $50 $75 per step? > >Thanks, I appreciate any responses, > >Mike Marmer >Germantown, MD >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30176	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 3/17/2004
Subject: track blocks

Greetings to all! Sparky is is ready to move logs from the loader to the sawmill but we have change places with the fast freight. Sparky will come off the spur and onto the mainline so we will have to create some block sections? Question for the group is, will the following plan work or is there alternative/adjustment? The spur and about 1/3 of the main loop will stay on power. The remaining 2/3 of this loop will be divided up with insulating pins in both rails. These sections will receive power from the same transformer through a 690 track terminal, interrupting one of the wires with a toggle switch. If my thinking is correct, I should be able to stop the "freight" and cut its power. Move Sparky out and around and cut his power. Repower the "freight" and move it into position to back into the spur. Then I can repower Sparky's section and head for the "mill". As this is a first for me, I would really appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30177	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: Re: Problems Finding Switches / turnouts revistied

Paul, Actually after looking at the your website photos, I decided the Gilbert Switch modified by Chuck Smith was the least of all evils. After having an unfortunate experience with Gargraves switches a couple of years ago, I am a little gun shy anyway. It would be nice if there were code 125 Flyer radius switches to match flex track; it would seem like an opportunity for someone. Anyway, I carved up an old Gilbert switch, removed roadbed and plaster from my layout, and now have the first switch fitted. Fitting the 2nd switch will require me to litterally "move a mountain". Oh well... :) Thanks for your link to the switch photos. It was most helpful! Chuck Paul Yorke wrote: >I think switches are a big problem for s. >see http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album33 >--- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > > >>I just got off the phone with the BK ENTERPRISES >>folks. The code 125 >>switches for my layout have a 5 month lead time, and >>you have to >>assemble them totally yourself. I really don't want >>to wait 5 months. >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30178	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Christmas videos

We have been asked to consider putting together a composite video of as many S-Gauge layouts with Christmas theme as possible on one video or DVD. If any of you now have or will have in the future any video you would like to share of your Christmas layout, we would love to have you send it to us. We will master it to Beta and send it right back to you. We ask that you use supplemental lighting whenever possible. Dark scenes make for grainy video. It is great to include some "show the lights" video, but for the most part, well lit reproduces much better. Anything you send may be edited to fit the time frame of the video and for quality. Each persons name and home town will be on title board preceding their layout. We plan to release it next February, so there is time to plan for the 2004 layout and still get the video to us. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30179	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: AF Baldwin by Lionel

> JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: > > For anyone using the AllAboard panels, or any other PikeMaster track, the new "L" built Baldwin is not for you. Mine came today and the instructions say for 20 inch minimum radius. So, it's not for PikeMaster track. > > jfred I figured that anything would be an improvement over American Flyer Baldwins, especially the way they run so fast, so I ordered a Lionel Santa Fe one. Now I can say that anything is an improvement over the original American Flyer AND Lionel Baldwins. To their credit, the Lionel paint job is great. They added glass to the cab and directional lighting. The "AT&SF" on the side of the hood appears to be a separately applied piece. Both trucks get power from both rails, so you can lift either truck off the track and it still "runs". The sliding pickup gets current from one rail, while the wheels from the other side of the truck get current from the other rail. The gears are enclosed now, making a quieter running engine. The cast on railings on the hood and pilot are now separately applied pieces. Lionel had advertised that, but I was very disappointed that they did not add end handrails. Even though American Flyer never had them, in my opinion Lionel should have added them. In an operational sense, this is not a switch engine. It stops immediately on dirty track, since it has no flywheel, and it runs way too fast. If they ever release a Rocket Sled again, this has the ideal motor for it. Also, if you run the loco with the cab end leading, it jumps the track, especially if you put a load on it. Original AF Baldwins usually do that, too. But maybe this one won't burn up the motor as fast as an original AF will. There was an S Gaugian many years ago that had an article on repowering a Baldwin with a DC can motor and flywheel. I converted one and it's really a great runner. It runs good at slow speeds, doesn't run very fast, and will even pull a load with the cab end leading and not derail. I'm almost tempted to convert the Lionel one, even though it's brand new.... The other way to get a good running Baldwin is to buy an American Models S12. It has the wrong style trucks (type "B" road trucks instaed of type "A" switcher trucks), but still it's cheaper and a lot better runner. Lionel's American Flyer production has seldom impressed me, and when I did get excited about it, I was always let down in one way or another. This new Baldwin continues along that same path. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30180	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Baldwin by Lionel

In a message dated 03/18/2004 2:45:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, amflyer@... writes: There was an S Gaugian many years ago that had an article on repowering a Baldwin with a DC can motor and flywheel. I converted one and it's really a great runner. It runs good at slow speeds, doesn't run very fast, and will even pull a load with the cab end leading and not derail. I'm almost tempted to convert the Lionel one, even though it's brand new.... The other way to get a good running Baldwin is to buy an American Models S12. It has the wrong style trucks (type "B" road trucks instaed of type "A" switcher trucks), but still it's cheaper and a lot better runner. Lionel's American Flyer production has seldom impressed me, and when I did get excited about it, I was always let down in one way or another. This new Baldwin continues along that same path. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. Mike, You really should take a look at the Baldwin Can motor kit we make for Gilbert Baldwins. It's a sweet thing. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30181	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF questions

Looks like this guy was intending to defraud a buyer with his "dance" around the step issue. He confirmed everything BUT the fact that they had been repaired/replaced. His intent was obvious evidenced by his reference to the TCA and more so with his behavoir when contacted about it. An honest seller would not have behaved that way. I know that in the computer stuff and Harley parts, buyers and sellers will encounter a lot more of this kind of dishonesty. What a shame. I think we are fortunate in our hobby that so many sellers do have integrity and care about their buyers. In contrast to above, I even had a guy send me a check for the postage and then throw in a nice tank car after I returned an item belonging to another buyer! (yeah, he also sent me the right item, too!) Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30182	From: beebear	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Looking for decals

I have a LNE 632 Hopper car and am looking for new decals for it. Does anyone know where I can find them? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30183	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: AF questions

Thanks Bill, as my letter and packet went out to TCA Wednesday and it wasn't my intent to see a TCA member be possibly removed from TCA, but he did me, and could of been someone else, wrong, with big dollars involve, 635, plus the shipping and his response and attitude about it was wrong. I gave him ample warnings and chances to do right to me, but he ignored me. I don't know if TCA will throw him out, I think they should in light of the above, and that is sad, because he lives so close to York and does shows, that I know he loves both York weeks every year and he may lose that privilege of going to them anymore. And I know Shipping has been talked about here before, but he charged me $24 for shipping and it cost him 13.50, postage and insurance. He used recycled box and wrapping material. He should of sent me a check after he paid the postage for 10 or 10.50. A nice profit center for him. I don't think used material is worth 10 bucks. He did add 10 to his check while deducting his Ebay fee of 18, unfair too. A jerk overall. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30184	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Back-to-Back American Flyer Wheel Spacing

What is the correct back-to-back whell spacing for Gilbert American Flyer wheelsets? Is there a gauge available? Is there a tool easily used to spread the spacing in place without removing the truck or wheel set? I've recently noticed the some cars' flanges riding up and over a crossing. Thanks for any insight. Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30185	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Hi all, Nancy and I will be in Michigan for the next two weeks.Happy Trains...Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30186	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: GATS at St Louis/Collinsville

There is a GATS at Collinsville, IL (St. Louis area) this weekend. I have basically quit attending as there is very little S at the shows. This morning's news put in the last nail. St. Louis, Fox Channel 2 News had a brief segment covering the upcoming train show. An individual had brought in different trains to show the various scales and to promote the GATS. He explained the difference in sizes from a 1/900 tiny layout, N, HO, G and O. Not a mention of S or American Flyer. Naturally, Lionel was mentioned a few times. The TV anchor even counted the models and then made a comment regarding five scales/gauges being available. Great publicity for S! John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30187	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Ebay jerk

Mike (mlmarmer), As a courtesy to those of us buying on ebay, please list that sellers ebay id so I, for one can stay away from him. Thanks, Jim Marski Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30188	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Baldwin's

Didn't Pa Heritage offer a Baldwin that ran reliably? Are they still available? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30189	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay jerk

JIM. I really wish we could have a list... but to put someone's name up can be no end to problems... Best to just stick with feedback.. Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Marski" <jim_marski@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay jerk > Mike (mlmarmer), > As a courtesy to those of us buying on ebay, please list that sellers ebay id so I, for one can stay away from him. > Thanks, > Jim Marski > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30190	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together (York)

Dear list members, Sorry, I've been so busy I don't remember if I ever answered the question for Bob Pershing. I passed this info on to Bob today but, would like to spread the word to all. The Gilbert Get-Together is Thursday Evening, April 15(during York week) at 9pm at the Four Points Sheraton(off Arsenal Road) behind the Round the Clock Diner. See you there! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30191	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: New Photos

Hi All, As promised, I have added 8 new photos to my album. It is listed in the photos under Barb's Trains. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun20 Enjoy ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30192	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 21130 Ebay engine

For those who are interested in the description of the engine I won and return, for a fee by this guy, and how I was fooled by this man by this description, as he is quoting TCA standards, so you knew you could trust a TCA member, here is the description of the train: Description This relatively rare American Flyer Hudson is from 1959 or 60. Using TCA standards it would grade as E+ condition. It has a two-position E unit and a plug between the plastic tender and die cast engine. I have run this engine on my layout and it smokes and operates great. There are no major paint chips or scratches on the engine, and the tender has all its steps. No rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. The lettering is crisp and sharp. This would be an excellet piece for anyone's collection. Buyer pays shipping. ******************************************************* Well he was right, the steps were there, but re-glued! And he admitted on the phone that this was the case to me and that he knew about the one that was crooked, like him. I agree with Bob, not to post his name, but I don't think he is on this list. You all decide if you want me too, to do that on the list. I will be more than happy to hear his side, as I gave him ample opportunity to do right with me on the $46 this whole deal cost, 18 plus all the postage. I have not heard back from him, as told him I would complain to TCA, if he deducted the 18, let alone all the postage. Told him the letter was done and going out in two days last week. Not one peep. And I am afraid that he will try this again, maybe not on ebay, for awhile, since some will recognize it, but at a show he may try to sell it. Again, I paid $635 for this engine, allot of money for something, and this not a minor infractions, plus the other things wrong with it, like the bent handrail, fixable, and the boiler that would go in all the way and the wire to the light that glued on, since it was broken. It popped off, the second time, I tried to fool with the light, as I know you need to be careful with these lights that have a wire that is 40 to 50 years old. Plus the piece of paper he stuck in there, to try to keep the boiler in, didn't do a good at that, as it shifted in the mail! The wire is minor and the going into the boiler too, but it would cost me more money and my time to get it fixed in the end, if the steps were not glued, which he should of paid for. Otherwise it was a beautiful engine! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30193	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos

Great photos, Barb. Keep up the good work, and the postings. Dick Aurora, OH At 02:48 PM 3/19/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >As promised, I have added 8 new photos to my album. It is >listed in the photos under Barb's Trains. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun20 > >Enjoy ...Barb > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30194	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Seller's note about the 21130

When the seller send me the check for the engine minus the 18, he sent me a note with the check, which basically blames me for the whole mess. Wrong on his part. He wrote for me to ask "next time ask whether the steps were glued: and that person may not let you out of the Ebay contact you have with Ebay" I can send a copy of the note to Paul for posting, as it doesn't have his name on the note. So in the future, when I buy anything on Ebay, I have been told to ask the seller questions, like are the steps reglued, and that can apply to a caboose, etc. If I can across a Steam die cast tender I will ask if the tender got a heavy duty welding job due for the tender steps, you never know! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30195	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

MIKE.... Here is another reply I sent to another member... "I was really thinking of LEGAL issues if you print stuff about someone.. I too respect the many Gals and Guys on this list and trust their comments.... You really can't get into any problems, I don't think, if you start A GOOD guy list.... I have found that if they take my check... I have almost no problems... If its MO or PP ONLY ... I get a little concerned.. If its PP only.... I pass.. Bob" But the Description clearly states.... "No rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. " But the steps were BROKE !!!!!!! Something can and will get past all of us....I can't walk on water yet.... and when I tried SNOW I sank to me knees.... My feeling is very simple.... you should have gotten a nice note saying "I'm sorry for the error.... and here is a total refund....100% " plus I have had some people do a little extra when something is wrong!!!!!! Bob RCON7 4 WEEKS TO YORK...........................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Caboose purchase

I have a good friend in NJ who sells AF and he has a Pikemaster Caboose to go with the direct wire 21130, that is for the 20768 set and my goal is to build this sets from getting cars here and there, as I have the 21129 and a direct wire 21130. So my goal was to find a E+ 21130, w/o glued steps and build all the sets, as I have the complete 21129 set, all five digit cars. I have about half of the cars that go with all of the 21130's as there are 3 set numbers for this engine, one for the plug in and two for the direct wire 21130. So, since Mike told me he had this beautiful PM 24633 caboose and he knew about my step problem on the 21130, I asked the question like a good TCA member since a TCA member told me to that for now on, "Are the Steps on the Caboose reglued" silly but must be done by me for now on. Mike has some of the best descriptions and pictures on Ebay. And he graciously did think I was a total idiot for asking. O:)! Here is the description and I will post the picture to Paul, so maybe he can show all, the nice caboose I got from Mike. You have to laugh at these things at times or it will kill you! O:)! Here's Mike, what a great name! Hi Mike, I've enclosed a JPG of the 24633. Let me know what you think. I'll list some of the things that you might want to know. There are lines on all of the steps that appear like the steps were reglued ( at the factory ) a perfect job. Their is a small chip on the upper left roof corner, ( hardly noticeable ), the left catwalk was not cast at the factory, again no big deal, a small stress mark of some sort to the right of the left hand numbers. I think a can of silver spray paint will fix this up good as new, and last but certainly not least is that this is the rarer silhouettes in the windows version. They only issued a few of these, but since I have 30 of these versions, I thought I'd share one of these rare finds with you. Otherwise this car is Like New. :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30197	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

Thanks Bob, as I don't mean to slam this person, as I could. I have several good friends on this list, on TCA list, and off these lists, who completely agree with you on what this guy did and how he reacted to me, as I wrote them in private first about this. I guess I am lucky to have gotten $627, but it isn't right, especially since he is a TCA member and he made a point to mention the steps! he knew what he was doing. I could understand if someone sold the engine and is not a train person and this slipped out, as non train people do sell trains on ebay, but then they should take it back too. But that would be a tougher case, possibly. The sad thing is I did email him about the front of the tender, before the auction ended, since he didn't have a picture of it. He wrote that the front of the tender is fine and SO ARE THE STEPS!! Do I have to bang my head against the wall. He took me for an fool and idiot! He didn't think no one who collects AF would look? I am sure if someone else won, this would of happen to! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > MIKE.... Here is another reply I sent to another member... > "I was really thinking of LEGAL issues if you > print stuff about someone.. I too respect the many Gals and Guys on this > list and trust their comments.... You really can't get into any problems, I > don't think, if you start A GOOD guy list.... I have found that if they take > my check... I have almost no problems... If its MO or PP ONLY ... I get a > little concerned.. If its PP only.... I pass.. Bob" > > But the Description clearly states.... > "No rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. " > But the steps were BROKE !!!!!!! > > Something can and will get past all of us....I can't walk on water yet.... > and when I tried SNOW I sank to me knees.... > > My feeling is very simple.... you should have gotten a nice note saying "I'm > sorry for the error.... and here is a total refund....100% " plus I have had > some people do a little extra when something is wrong!!!!!! > > Bob RCON7 > > 4 WEEKS TO YORK........................... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30198	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

So Bob, can I give you a good deal on a 21130 Hudson, nothing broken or cracked? Boiler light is perfect too! Handrail, ah, someone kick it at a test run, just like hubcap, so don't worry about that one. Body Shoppe in York will have you fix on that one. I know the connection for one and I am sure he will be there! Crazy glue does wonders, you know or super duper glue too! LOL! Maybe I can get a commission from the seller. Is that allow by TCA!? LOL Or I can be his official spokesperson for his deals in the future. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > MIKE.... Here is another reply I sent to another member... > "I was really thinking of LEGAL issues if you > print stuff about someone.. I too respect the many Gals and Guys on this > list and trust their comments.... You really can't get into any problems, I > don't think, if you start A GOOD guy list.... I have found that if they take > my check... I have almost no problems... If its MO or PP ONLY ... I get a > little concerned.. If its PP only.... I pass.. Bob" > > But the Description clearly states.... > "No rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. " > But the steps were BROKE !!!!!!! > > Something can and will get past all of us....I can't walk on water yet.... > and when I tried SNOW I sank to me knees.... > > My feeling is very simple.... you should have gotten a nice note saying "I'm > sorry for the error.... and here is a total refund....100% " plus I have had > some people do a little extra when something is wrong!!!!!! > > Bob RCON7 > > 4 WEEKS TO YORK........................... > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30199	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-Together (York)

All the info is in the Meet notice too!! See you there!! -Clay Buckage 96-42817 ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30200	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: schedule openings

Hi All, My backlog of work has been worked down to a comfortable level. I am now taking in models for delivery in 3-5 weeks. Please see my website for the information I would like in your reply. I have just finished a run of 7 S Scale and 1 HO Scale Jones & Laughlin tanks cars. I will have the photos of them on my website in a few days. I am guessing that it is the largest assemblage of S Scale J&L cars at 1 time since they were released back in the day. I also expect to FINALLY have a major announcement concerning the Pennsy S Models X29 project http://www.pennsysmodels.com within the next 2 weeks. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30201	From: trainman634	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: AF Uncouplers on D.C.

Will AF uncouplers operate on direct current?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30202	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Honesty in Sales

Mike: If I get the gist of this thread right, a seller refunded most of the money for damaged merchandise which he sold as undamaged, and in the process, wrote a note blaming you, the buyer, for not asking about the particular part (the steps) in advance. It reminds me of the New York City ordinance that prevents you from collecting for damages to your car caused by a pothole that the city has not repaired unless you have previously reported the pothole's existence prior to the accident. Doh! When it comes to the simple, and it ought to be simple, act of buying and selling merchandise, we learned all the rules in kindergarten. Be honest, be straightforward, be direct. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It was broken. He should have told you it was broken. Had this been a train meet, you would have picked the engine up and held it under a good light and seen it was broken and repaired. You might have still bought it, but at a negotiated adjustment of price. Since this was an on-line sale, the seller had a clear duty to fully represent the condition of his product. That's the funny little kink in sight-unseen transactions. The seller can go one of two ways. He can get all righteously honest about every little scratch and rub (many sellers do) or he can go to the other side of the line and attempt to steal your money. And there is no such thing as a little bit of larceny. Hiding a defect and collecting the mint price is, in my book, the same as promising everything and sending complete junk. Once you decide to go to the dark side, Luke, you've signed your pact of evil. This was not your fault. An honest man would have returned every dime, including shipping, and sent you a caboose or a couple of pieces of track for your trouble, with an apology. I have had that happen, too. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30203	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF questions

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30204	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos

Barb... The Photos really look great.........my dream layout.... Keep up the good work....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Photos > Hi All, > > As promised, I have added 8 new photos to my album. It is > listed in the photos under Barb's Trains. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun20 > > Enjoy ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30205	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

Mike.... yes I would love one.... BUT, I have about a thousand questions!!!!.... Oh Boy!!!! The thing that gets me is I wouldn't risk A neg, or TCA wrath for 50.00.... My biggest mess up was when I sold two books on the Blue angles.... I sent 1 to Japan... 1 to Canada..... Yep... Any way I got with the 2 people... asked them how much to forward it to the other... they sent me an amount and I mailed the a checks + 5.00 each with a SORRY note... Both came out happy....except me...I lost... But things were right.... RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30206	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 21, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30207	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

Bob, You did the right thing, no matter, as you are a good person that wouldn't do something bad to someone else. You have good character and morals. Glad to know you on the site and I hope to see you some day at York. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > Mike.... yes I would love one.... BUT, I have about a thousand > questions!!!!.... Oh Boy!!!! The thing that gets me is I wouldn't risk A > neg, or TCA wrath for 50.00.... My biggest mess up was when I sold two books > on the Blue angles.... I sent 1 to Japan... 1 to Canada..... Yep... Any way > I got with the 2 people... asked them how much to forward it to the other... > they sent me an amount and I mailed the a checks + 5.00 each with a SORRY > note... Both came out happy....except me...I lost... But things were > right.... RCON7 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30208	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales

Hi Chris, It is good to hear from you as I know you and I had some words over something silly about Ebay that was my stupidity about the item being sold. I really appreciate the time you took to write to me about this situation, as it a great response to me. It means allot to me coming from you, because you have allot to write about on AF, S, and trains overall. Thanks for the support. I wish you would write more often again on the list. Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30209	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Uncouplers on D.C.

Yes, uncouplers will work just as well on DC as AC, maybe better because they won't make a buzzing sound. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:32:35 -0000 > From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> >Subject: AF Uncouplers on D.C. > >Will AF uncouplers operate on direct current?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30210	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 771 Stockyard help

Howdy Folks, I just acquired a 771 stockyard, car and steers. The thing works. That is, the floor vibrates and there is some movement of the cattle. However, it does not seem right to me. The K-Line ( MDK and Aurotech) Complete Service Manual helped me to connect the wires properly. It has no information on the mechanics. For instance, should the fiber mat be loose or firmly attached to the metal? How long should the 'glider' material fingers be on the bottoms of the cattle? Are everyone's cattle as demented as mine appear to be? Mad cow disease seems to have taken a grip on these poor, plastic animals once I apply power. They travel sideways and backwards more than they go forward. Pirouettes appear to be normal. I did not find a clinic on the Port Lines site nor on Paul's S-Trains.org. This thing looks like it will be fun for me and my grandsons, once I can tune it up. If there is nothing on the web, I'll be happy to put something together. The hard part is to determine which truths belong in the article. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30211	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard help

BILL......... The Stockyard base or fiber mat is loose... it connects to the vibrating mechanics in the little house... the cows are supposed to mill around in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction until you open the gate to let them go up the ramp to the car which vibrates also... if you look at the bottom of the cows you will see a lot of little fibers sticking down and at an angle to direct the movement... sometimes this stuff wears off or gets eaten by bugs over the years and needs to be replaced... there are several articles on how to do this.... the cows will need a little prodding up the ramp as they get stubborn... like most cows.... it is a nice accessory and I still have the one I got from Santa in 1950... still works... L is coming out with a new one this fall... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> To: <S-TRAINS@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard help > Howdy Folks, > > I just acquired a 771 stockyard, car and steers. The thing works. That > is, the floor vibrates and there is some movement of the cattle. > > However, it does not seem right to me. The K-Line ( MDK and Aurotech) > Complete Service Manual helped me to connect the wires properly. It has > no information on the mechanics. For instance, should the fiber mat be > loose or firmly attached to the metal? > > How long should the 'glider' material fingers be on the bottoms of the > cattle? > > Are everyone's cattle as demented as mine appear to be? Mad cow disease > seems to have taken a grip on these poor, plastic animals once I apply > power. They travel sideways and backwards more than they go forward. > Pirouettes appear to be normal. > > I did not find a clinic on the Port Lines site nor on Paul's > S-Trains.org. > > This thing looks like it will be fun for me and my grandsons, once I can > tune it up. If there is nothing on the web, I'll be happy to put > something together. The hard part is to determine which truths belong in > the article. > > Later, > Bill > > Bill Porter > 15212 79th Court N > Loxahatchee, FL > 33470 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30212	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/19/2004
Subject: 771 Stockyard help

The black steers are supposed to always go in the corral with the trianglular trough and move clockwise. Brown steers are supposed to go in the corral without trough and move counterclockwise. If your vibrating mat and mechanism are felling livestock, they may be in good shape. Much more likely that you have to replace the directional fabric on the bottoms of the steers. This is easy. Parts dealers have it. Then the diagonal dogies will ride again. Search theS-trains archive for more stockyard tips. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30213	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Alder Models' S Switchstands: B&O Use of Racor 31-B and CP Tall?

Hello, Below is a link to the Alter Models website which offers two versions of S scale switch stands: Racor 31-b and CP Tall. The price is nice ($8.50 per pack/working; $18 per six pack/dummy). To guide me in a possible purchase, I'm wondering which, if either, the B&O may have used. Thanks in advance for any information. Paul S. Click here: Alder Models' HO & S Switchstands http://www.magma.ca/~alder/ho_stands.html (I had a bit of trouble getting into it as it's involved with a "ring" - 2nd time was a charm, however,) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30214	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Route 66

I saw a few Route 66 (Racing Champions) vehicles at K-Mart that have not been available for quite some time, the '56 Ford sedan for example. -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30215	From: editor	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: *Newly Created*: The NMRA 1/64th-scale Special Interest Group

SIG Information: ______________________________________________________________ SIG Name: 1/64th-scale SIG SIG Purpose: Bring together fellow NMRA S/Sn-scale model railroaders in hopes of generating a greater interests in 1/64th-scale modeling Newsletter Name: 1/64th-scale Corner Frequency: Bi-monthly Dues structure: Annual ______________________________________________________________ SIG Coordinator Information: Name: Richard E. Bendever NMRA member No: 079510 Address: P. O. Box 56, Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 Telephone: 908.927.9347 e-mail (optional): REBendever@... (temporary)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30216	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos

Look's fantastic Barb! A real inspiration to me to get started on my layout. Ron Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi All, As promised, I have added 8 new photos to my album. It is listed in the photos under Barb's Trains. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun20 Enjoy ...Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30217	From: john crotty	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: japan -S- TRAINMFG

HI. RIGHT UNDER MY EYES I FOUND THE INFO ABOUT A MADE IN JAPAN -- S --BATTERY OPERATED SET. The T.C.A.'s QUARTERLY MAGAZINE is a very best publication of train information. Why there in the JULY1998 vol.44, no.3 on page10 is a perfectly given story of the train set thats in with my collection. now i have last a qualified collaborative picture/story of it. The T.C.A. quarterly is a plethora/wealth of itself --i enjoy it --to the fullest. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30218	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Smoke Units

The smoke units have always been a mystery to me. After you service the unit and add fluid, it seems like you have to wait a couple of hours for the wick to absorb the fluid to work. After the wait, the unit will smoke very nicely for a couple of minutes then hardly anything comes out. Is this normal? Also, how much fluid, how often. I ran out of "Super Smoke," and I'm using Bachmann Smoke Fluid, it seems to work well. God I love the smell of smoke fluid in the morning, it smells like ---- Christmas 1951!!! Mike Blaskovich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30219	From: Al Galli	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Set price

Would anybody want to venture the worth of a boxed set containing the 360/361, 661, 662, 663 in full excellent condtion? Thanks Al Galli

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30220	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales

I agree with Chris' comments. This was not the act of an honest man and if he is still doing business on e-Bay I would like to know who it is to avoid him in the future. gary On 3/19/04 3:13 PM, "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> wrote: > Mike: > If I get the gist of this thread right, a seller refunded most of the money > for damaged merchandise which he sold as undamaged, and in the process, > wrote a note blaming you, the buyer, for not asking about the particular > part (the steps) in advance. > > It reminds me of the New York City ordinance that prevents you from > collecting for damages to your car caused by a pothole that the city has not > repaired unless you have previously reported the pothole's existence prior > to the accident. Doh! > > When it comes to the simple, and it ought to be simple, act of buying and > selling merchandise, we learned all the rules in kindergarten. Be honest, > be straightforward, be direct. Do unto others as you would have them do > unto you. It was broken. He should have told you it was broken. Had this > been a train meet, you would have picked the engine up and held it under a > good light and seen it was broken and repaired. You might have still bought > it, but at a negotiated adjustment of price. Since this was an on-line > sale, the seller had a clear duty to fully represent the condition of his > product. That's the funny little kink in sight-unseen transactions. The > seller can go one of two ways. He can get all righteously honest about > every little scratch and rub (many sellers do) or he can go to the other > side of the line and attempt to steal your money. And there is no such > thing as a little bit of larceny. Hiding a defect and collecting the mint > price is, in my book, the same as promising everything and sending complete > junk. Once you decide to go to the dark side, Luke, you've signed your pact > of evil. > > This was not your fault. An honest man would have returned every dime, > including shipping, and sent you a caboose or a couple of pieces of track > for your trouble, with an apology. I have had that happen, too. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30221	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: New Photos

Hello Barb! Wonderful job on your layout! Looks great and would be tons of fun to see in person....Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Photos > Hi All, > > As promised, I have added 8 new photos to my album. It is > listed in the photos under Barb's Trains. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun20 > > Enjoy ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30222	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:21:22 -0700, Gary Chidester wrote: >I would like to know who it is to avoid >him in the future. Sounds like you need only look for someone with a negative feedback... he didn't want to share the ID, that's OK, 'nough said, life goes on... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30223	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in Sales

The seller is not on the list. I will give you the ebay item number that will take you to the item and you can see the seller Id 3173123026 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Honesty in Sales > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:21:22 -0700, Gary Chidester wrote: > > >I would like to know who it is to avoid > >him in the future. > > Sounds like you need only look for someone with a negative feedback... he > didn't want to share the ID, that's OK, 'nough said, life goes on... > > Michael > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30224	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

Hello Mike...yes it seems as though the deceitful profit. My horror story goes something like this, my friend who is a Lionel guy, goes to York a year and a half ago to find me a 21139 Northern. Well he finds one at one of the pre-York shows for sale from a VERY prominient AF collector, who has a table set-up. My buddy, who unfortunately did not have much experience in the hobby, asks him about the piece. The Gentleman tells him its ALL original, except the pick-ups on the tender. Well, my buddy flies back home and gives me the loco.....well I guess it was all original, with numerous touch-ups and a can of Testor's dullcoat to boot! Well the price he paid was Excellent in the "book" and well you be the judge on what you'd pay for a completely re-finished engine. Anyways, that's my "horror" story of a so-called honest vendor who has a very known name in the hobby(Oh yeah, he's been a TCA member since '82. Ouch! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > For those who are interested in the description of the engine I won and return, for a fee by this guy, and how I was fooled by this man by this description, as he is quoting TCA standards, so you knew you could trust a TCA member, here is the description of the train: > > Description > This relatively rare American Flyer Hudson is from 1959 or 60. Using TCA standards it would grade as E+ condition. It has a two-position E unit and a plug between the plastic tender and die cast engine. I have run this engine on my layout and it smokes and operates great. There are no major paint chips or scratches on the engine, and the tender has all its steps. No rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. The lettering is crisp and sharp. This would be an excellet piece for anyone's collection. Buyer pays shipping. > ******************************************************* > Well he was right, the steps were there, but re-glued! And he admitted on the phone that this was the case to me and that he knew about the one that was crooked, like him. > > I agree with Bob, not to post his name, but I don't think he is on this list. You all decide if you want me too, to do that on the list. I will be more than happy to hear his side, as I gave him ample opportunity to do right with me on the $46 this whole deal cost, 18 plus all the postage. I have not heard back from him, as told him I would complain to TCA, if he deducted the 18, let alone all the postage. Told him the letter was done and going out in two days last week. Not one peep. > > And I am afraid that he will try this again, maybe not on ebay, for awhile, since some will recognize it, but at a show he may try to sell it. > > Again, I paid $635 for this engine, allot of money for something, and this not a minor infractions, plus the other things wrong with it, like the bent handrail, fixable, and the boiler that would go in all the way and the wire to the light that glued on, since it was broken. It popped off, the second time, I tried to fool with the light, as I know you need to be careful with these lights that have a wire that is 40 to 50 years old. Plus the piece of paper he stuck in there, to try to keep the boiler in, didn't do a good at that, as it shifted in the mail! The wire is minor and the going into the boiler too, but it would cost me more money and my time to get it fixed in the end, if the steps were not glued, which he should of paid for. Otherwise it was a beautiful engine! > > Mike Marmer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30225	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: 200!!!!!

Whew. After more than 2 weeks of down-time to fix our old computer, install a new computer and various other components, not to mention shoot and edit more pix, there are now 200 vehicle pix in the "Bert the Cop Presents: Vehicles for S" album. They can be found at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo01?&page=1 I had been uploading about 4 pix a day since February '04. Once the 17th page is filled (204 pix), I'll probably ease off to 1 or 2 per day. There are about only 100 more vehicles to post, assuming I stop buying new ones, which ain't likely. Hopefully all this is useful. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30226	From: nasglibrary	Date: 3/20/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from March 25 through May 2, 2004. Dick Karnes, Librarian NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30227	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Car photos.....

http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo01?&page=1 Great pics Chuck!! What camera are you using, and what do you use for lighting?? Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30228	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: TMCC for American Flyer Now with the New AC/DC MDB

It's here and available now. Get into TMCC and see how much more fun operating can be with Trainmaster Command Control in your American Flyer locomotives. The "O" gauge guys have had it for years and now AF operators can too. Designed for American Flyer trains both AC Gilbert and Lionel AF, (works in "O" gauge etc. too) with either AC or DC motors. It has a small size, a universal design, and a small price. Easy to install Driver Board comes with sample wiring diagrams relevant to Americn Flyer installations included as well as hardware and an under tender antenna. The standard Lionel R2LC receiver plug in module sold separatley. Please check it out at my web site for more informtation at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCCBoard/TMCCDriverBoard.htm I have used TMCC on my layout for years and it's NEAT-O! Thanks for looking.. AF and TMCC Rock! Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30229	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Re: 21130 Ebay engine

Al, I am so sorry what happen to you on that 21139. At least it wasn't a 21140, which goes for double or more than a 21139. Did you contact the seller? You should of. It is probably too late to file a complaint with TCA, but I have learn, now, to make sure you get the seller's name in any purchase. But again, you paid allot of money for something that wasn't and that isn't right. I am sure most of the TCA's members are good people, but there are a few bad apples in any hobby, that are in it for profit, and that is not to say that all sellers shouldn't make a reasonable profit on a item that is correctly graded. In my research of the TCA directory to get all my TCA Standards facts right, any restored item can have a grade of E and no higher. No E+, as the 21130 was in the bid, but the item is to be marked and by whom, that it is restored. I really don't care about the whom, for the most part, by you have to be told if the item is repainted or restored, just like your 21139. My seller listed the item as E+. But just because the restored item can be a grade of E, doesn't mean that the value of the item would be E in TM or Greenberg, as that grade is now for appearance and the value will be deducted according. Steps on a 21130 or 21129, makes the item less valuable in dollars, just like the missing red and white rocket on the USM set, a repro number board on a 21139 0r 21140, and so on. I was new in the hobby in 1992 and learn allot along the way, as knowledge about anything is the key. And don't believe everything you heard or read on Ebay, without having someone back up the statement. One on Ebay, a few weeks ago, a person who sells all the time on Ebay, said that the Pike Master Jet Engine Flat was harder to fine than the Knuckle Jet Fuel Flat. So I asked the seller why the Knuckle version, then, goes for $70 or so, more than the PM version? No reply. Just hyping the sale? If this is the case, why is the PM worth less then in TM? Something harder to find is going to worth more, that something that is not as hard to find, in my opinion, as they both are hard to find as they both rate a 3 in TM. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > Hello Mike...yes it seems as though the deceitful profit. My horror story > goes something like this, my friend who is a Lionel guy, goes to York a year > and a half ago to find me a 21139 Northern. Well he finds one at one of the > pre-York shows for sale from a VERY prominient AF collector, who has a table > set-up. My buddy, who unfortunately did not have much experience in the > hobby, asks him about the piece. The Gentleman tells him its ALL original, > except the pick-ups on the tender. Well, my buddy flies back home and gives > me the loco.....well I guess it was all original, with numerous touch-ups > and a can of Testor's dullcoat to boot! Well the price he paid was Excellent > in the "book" and well you be the judge on what you'd pay for a completely > re-finished engine. Anyways, that's my "horror" story of a so-called honest > vendor who has a very known name in the hobby(Oh yeah, he's been a TCA > member since '82. Ouch! Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > > > > For those who are interested in the description of the engine I won and > return, for a fee by this guy, and how I was fooled by this man by this > description, as he is quoting TCA standards, so you knew you could trust a > TCA member, here is the description of the train: > > > > Description > > This relatively rare American Flyer Hudson is from 1959 or 60. Using > TCA standards it would grade as E+ condition. It has a two-position E unit > and a plug between the plastic tender and die cast engine. I have run this > engine on my layout and it smokes and operates great. There are no major > paint chips or scratches on the engine, and the tender has all its steps. No > rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. The lettering is crisp and sharp. > This would be an excellet piece for anyone's collection. Buyer pays > shipping. > > ******************************************************* > > Well he was right, the steps were there, but re-glued! And he > admitted on the phone that this was the case to me and that he knew about > the one that was crooked, like him. > > > > I agree with Bob, not to post his name, but I don't think he is on > this list. You all decide if you want me too, to do that on the list. I > will be more than happy to hear his side, as I gave him ample opportunity to > do right with me on the $46 this whole deal cost, 18 plus all the postage. > I have not heard back from him, as told him I would complain to TCA, if he > deducted the 18, let alone all the postage. Told him the letter was done > and going out in two days last week. Not one peep. > > > > And I am afraid that he will try this again, maybe not on ebay, for > awhile, since some will recognize it, but at a show he may try to sell it. > > > > Again, I paid $635 for this engine, allot of money for something, > and this not a minor infractions, plus the other things wrong with it, like > the bent handrail, fixable, and the boiler that would go in all the way and > the wire to the light that glued on, since it was broken. It popped off, the > second time, I tried to fool with the light, as I know you need to be > careful with these lights that have a wire that is 40 to 50 years old. Plus > the piece of paper he stuck in there, to try to keep the boiler in, didn't > do a good at that, as it shifted in the mail! The wire is minor and the > going into the boiler too, but it would cost me more money and my time to > get it fixed in the end, if the steps were not glued, which he should of > paid for. Otherwise it was a beautiful engine! > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30230	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: FS SWITCHES

hi,have a lot of flyer switches for sale, need a good cleaning at $30 a pair,,,,contact me off list,thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > Al, > > I am so sorry what happen to you on that 21139. At least it wasn't a 21140, > which goes for double or more than a 21139. Did you contact the seller? > You should of. It is probably too late to file a complaint with TCA, but I > have learn, now, to make sure you get the seller's name in any purchase. > But again, you paid allot of money for something that wasn't and that isn't > right. > > I am sure most of the TCA's members are good people, but there are a few bad > apples in any hobby, that are in it for profit, and that is not to say that > all sellers shouldn't make a reasonable profit on a item that is correctly > graded. > > In my research of the TCA directory to get all my TCA Standards facts right, > any restored item can have a grade of E and no higher. No E+, as the 21130 > was in the bid, but the item is to be marked and by whom, that it is > restored. I really don't care about the whom, for the most part, by you > have to be told if the item is repainted or restored, just like your 21139. > My seller listed the item as E+. But just because the restored item can be > a grade of E, doesn't mean that the value of the item would be E in TM or > Greenberg, as that grade is now for appearance and the value will be > deducted according. Steps on a 21130 or 21129, makes the item less valuable > in dollars, just like the missing red and white rocket on the USM set, a > repro number board on a 21139 0r 21140, and so on. > > I was new in the hobby in 1992 and learn allot along the way, as knowledge > about anything is the key. And don't believe everything you heard or read > on Ebay, without having someone back up the statement. One on Ebay, a few > weeks ago, a person who sells all the time on Ebay, said that the Pike > Master Jet Engine Flat was harder to fine than the Knuckle Jet Fuel Flat. So > I asked the seller why the Knuckle version, then, goes for $70 or so, more > than the PM version? No reply. Just hyping the sale? If this is the case, > why is the PM worth less then in TM? Something harder to find is going to > worth more, that something that is not as hard to find, in my opinion, as > they both are hard to find as they both rate a 3 in TM. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> > To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > > > > Hello Mike...yes it seems as though the deceitful profit. My horror story > > goes something like this, my friend who is a Lionel guy, goes to York a > year > > and a half ago to find me a 21139 Northern. Well he finds one at one of > the > > pre-York shows for sale from a VERY prominient AF collector, who has a > table > > set-up. My buddy, who unfortunately did not have much experience in the > > hobby, asks him about the piece. The Gentleman tells him its ALL original, > > except the pick-ups on the tender. Well, my buddy flies back home and > gives > > me the loco.....well I guess it was all original, with numerous touch-ups > > and a can of Testor's dullcoat to boot! Well the price he paid was > Excellent > > in the "book" and well you be the judge on what you'd pay for a completely > > re-finished engine. Anyways, that's my "horror" story of a so-called > honest > > vendor who has a very known name in the hobby(Oh yeah, he's been a TCA > > member since '82. Ouch! Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:53 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine > > > > > > > For those who are interested in the description of the engine I won and > > return, for a fee by this guy, and how I was fooled by this man by this > > description, as he is quoting TCA standards, so you knew you could trust a > > TCA member, here is the description of the train: > > > > > > Description > > > This relatively rare American Flyer Hudson is from 1959 or 60. > Using > > TCA standards it would grade as E+ condition. It has a two-position E unit > > and a plug between the plastic tender and die cast engine. I have run this > > engine on my layout and it smokes and operates great. There are no major > > paint chips or scratches on the engine, and the tender has all its steps. > No > > rust..nothing broken, cracked or missing. The lettering is crisp and > sharp. > > This would be an excellet piece for anyone's collection. Buyer pays > > shipping. > > > ******************************************************* > > > Well he was right, the steps were there, but re-glued! And he > > admitted on the phone that this was the case to me and that he knew about > > the one that was crooked, like him. > > > > > > I agree with Bob, not to post his name, but I don't think he is on > > this list. You all decide if you want me too, to do that on the list. I > > will be more than happy to hear his side, as I gave him ample opportunity > to > > do right with me on the $46 this whole deal cost, 18 plus all the postage. > > I have not heard back from him, as told him I would complain to TCA, if he > > deducted the 18, let alone all the postage. Told him the letter was done > > and going out in two days last week. Not one peep. > > > > > > And I am afraid that he will try this again, maybe not on ebay, > for > > awhile, since some will recognize it, but at a show he may try to sell it. > > > > > > Again, I paid $635 for this engine, allot of money for something, > > and this not a minor infractions, plus the other things wrong with it, > like > > the bent handrail, fixable, and the boiler that would go in all the way > and > > the wire to the light that glued on, since it was broken. It popped off, > the > > second time, I tried to fool with the light, as I know you need to be > > careful with these lights that have a wire that is 40 to 50 years old. > Plus > > the piece of paper he stuck in there, to try to keep the boiler in, didn't > > do a good at that, as it shifted in the mail! The wire is minor and the > > going into the boiler too, but it would cost me more money and my time to > > get it fixed in the end, if the steps were not glued, which he should of > > paid for. Otherwise it was a beautiful engine! > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30231	From: trainman634	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: MRC Direct Current Powerpack

Which MRC direct current powerpack would have the power to run original American Flyer engines? I would replace the e-units with bridge rectifiers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30232	From: Brian Chapman	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Should we manufacture in S Scale?

Hello all, We operate a startup business, Granger Roads, making railroad and industrial buildings as well as freight cars common to the upper Midwest region. To this end, we employ a CAD/CAM process, including CNC mill and lathe, power spray photo-etching system, and spin-, pressure-, and vacuum casting with Hydrocal plaster, resin and pewter materials. I hoped to present that brief introduction in order to ask a few questions pertinent to S scale, about which I know so very little (other than that it is truly a "modeler's scale"). BTW, I hope I am within list rules with this post; I did not spot a prohibition to such questions on the Home page. My chief question, of course, revolves around what sort of reception our products might receive within the S scale community (assuming our products are nicely done). > Are S scale modelers most interested in kits, since S scale is a modeler's scale and bashing and modifying commercial offerings might be the common pratice? > Or, are finely detailed RTR buildings and freight cars appreciated by S scalers as much by modelers in other scales . . . we all have time limitations, right? > Is the S scale modeler population evenly spread across the country, or is it found in pockets, regions where S scale is particularly popular. Since we focus on upper Midwest roads (the grangers), it'd be darn helpful to discover if our focus area contains a number of S scalers. > Is the transition era most popular with S scalers, or is there a predominant interest in steam, for example? Are there many modern-day modelers in S scale out there? I'm looking for a marketing profile of S scale, it seems. I much appreciate any suggestions or advice anyone might wish to send our way. Thank you much, -Brian Brian Chapman Granger Roads Cedar Rapids, Iowa ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30233	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Thanks for the 771 Help

Hi folks, For the record I received official help from: Doug Peck, Tom Jarcho C. E. Smith and Bob Conner There is now hope for my herd thanks to these, kind folks. It seems to me that this is what the S-Trains list is all about. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30234	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?

Hello Brian- In general I think you will find folks out there modeling in S in such a way it looks the same as scale HO layouts, only in a larger scale. Of course you will find those that like the "toy" look of tinplate trains... I am more to that end. Quality I think is key. With rolling stock - it seems the original Gilbert knuckle couplers work best, and some have questioned why no one has duped the coupler exactly since they work so good. Gilbert was famous for having proper proportions - that speaks quality. I will be modeling the city we live in - using Gilbert accessory buildings and then working up to scratch building some landmark buildings around town. That being said, I would probably also be interested in architecturally pleasing kits that fit well yet did not exist in town, as already the Gilbert accessories were not like local buildings. My 2c. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30235	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 21, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30236	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 3/21/2004
Subject: vehicle idea

Hey Chuck, I loved seeing your automobile pictures. I especially like the more quirky rigs. I got an idea! How about putting that 6'4" policeman in the mail and sending him to several members in the club to pose with our vehicles. I'm sure Rick has plenty of interesting wheels. I'll take a turn too. I quite fond of using Thomas the Tank Engine vehicles on my layout. They're really pretty nice if you can overlook the smiling faces. Jacques (By the way Rick, I'm still waiting for my jeep.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30237	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: vehicle idea

Jacques wrote: >I loved seeing your automobile pictures. I especially like the more >quirky rigs. Glad they are being enjoyed. As for "quirky", we spell that M-a-t-t- e-l. Wait 'til you see some of the stuff coming up. :^) >How about putting that 6'4" policeman in the mail and sending >him to several members in the club to pose with our vehicles. Unfortunately, Bert's department (not to mention his union) won't allow trips outside of Tinplate County. Something about "the real world"... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30239	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Car Photos......

Rick asked: >What camera are you using, and what do you use for lighting?? These were all shot with a Nikon CP990. The location is the parking lot of "Snappy Al's Used Cars" on our modular layout. Earlier shots (about the first page or two, or three) were done in available sunlight filtering through a white curtain. That proved inconsistent, since the sun kept ducking in and out of clouds, making the white balance very iffy. You can tell that in the shots with the more diffused light. Later, I resorted to a pair of 150 watt halogen incandescent lamps in "scoop" reflectors (2 point lighting). Shutter speed ends up being around 1/4 second, using the smallest aperture the camera will manage (for depth of field). Each shot is then "scrubbed" with photo editing software to remove dust specks, doggy follicles, and other distracting things. I guess that was more than you wanted to know, huh? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30240	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: recall

hi gang, years ago in the 50's when the U.S.A.'LIONELS;MARX; AMERICAN FLYERS were made in the U.S.A. by the real owners of those brands the rumor of Russian Toy Trains was that the commies were copying the American Flyer brands with mixed parts from other manufacturers. The first one of russian orientation i've seen is just now on our web! It does have the Flyer touch to it. I'm curious as to where in Russia it was made. As then in Communist Russia every place was STATE owned so is it produceable there.or was it made in a BLACK market factory where Stalins people couldnt get to it. And did /were other toys made back then in Russia and marketed there for the Russian people. People now here in the good ole' U.S.A. from the Iron Curtain countries tell their stories of experience and awareness of growing up in the Communist control countries. They explained much of their manufactured goods were sent into Russia. IS the toytrains apt to have been one of those goods as in Eastern Europe many great toy manufacturers came were there in Germany,ROMANIA,Poland et cet. It was then that they were before the war inter contacting with the USA manufacturers. And as to the semblance this example shown shows of it being typical of flyers pre wwII production i am hypothesizing it originated in Eastern Europe. What 's your surmise?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30241	From: Bill Webster	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Back-to-Back American Flyer Wheel Spacing

Alan, The back-to-back distance on AF wheelsets can vary somewhat depending on what type of wheel it is. A wheel set is usually measured at the point on each wheel where the flange meets the tread or running surface of the wheel. Those points correspond to the inner edges of the rails-where the gauge is measured. For S gauge, this distance is 7/8 of an inch. In practice, some allow for a little imperfection in the track and set the wheel spacing just slightly "loose" of 7/8". If your wheels are set this way, they shouldn't climb the rails. Although S standards gauges are available, it's easy to make one by cutting and filing two notches in a piece of flat metal like brass. The notches should be big enough to clear the flanges. The important points are the two outside edges of the notches. They should be exactly 7/8" apart, and should rest against the place where the flange joins the tread surface of each wheel. If the wheels are set too wide on the axle, the flanges won't fit into the notches; too narrow, the wheel set wiggles from side to side. Using this gauge on all your rolling stock will solve a lot of problems. Usually, removing the wheelset to adjust the gauge is unnecessary. The plastic wheels are usually soft enough to slide on the axle with the right thumb and finger pressure. There are a million ways to do this so you will quickly develop a way that is easiest on your fingers and the truck frames. The older wheels may be a little stiff; but the KC and PM wheels move quite easily. You will find that the plasic wheel is the "adjusted" wheel on tenders and action cars. Hope this helps! Good luck Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30242	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Smoke Unit mystery solved

Thanks to all that responded to my smoke unit post. All of my steamers need to have the wicks replaced, they all behave in the same way. Mike Blaskovich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30243	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Model RR Center

Model RR Center ----- Original Message ----- From: Ochsman, Robert B. To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Model RR Center Mike: Saw your post on the Toy Trains list. I grew up in Silver Spring waaay long ago and I do remember the Lionel retailer in the back of (I think) of Congressional shopping center on the Pike. I always thought that this area - I work in Bethesda, live out in northern Loudoun Co) had too few train retailers. Story? I love good stories. Regards, Bob Ochsman Bob, Short Intro to Silver Spring: I grew up in Wheaton, one block from Wheaton High and took music lessons in Silver Spring at Dale Music (clarinet)in the 1960's and I rode DC Transit for .35! My parents had a camera shop in the old shopping center, in Silver Spring, where Drug Fair was, in the 1950's to about 1962, before they and others in Silver Spring went out of business, due to Wheaton Plaza. Their Shoppe was Camera's Inc and I remember going to the Silver Theatre all the time for Saturday movies. That closing caused to them to go bankrupt. Model RR center was in a shopping center a bit further down from Congressional, a long row of Shoppe's with Shoppe's in the rear. The name of that shopping center slips my mind. There is or was a semi famous Chinese restaurant in the front, at one end, The Rickshaw, if I spelled that right. MRR Center was in the rear. I remember it wasn't in Congressional, because in 1969, while taking a break from Dale Music in Silver Spring, I took a year of lessons at Music and Arts at Congressional, as I took DC Transit there too, and I remember walking North along Rockville Pike to get to that shopping center to bring my AF engine for repair the first time, as I had to walk by Congressional Country Club and Thomason Lincoln Mercury, which is no longer there. I understand that dealer is now in WVA somewhere. But in 1974, January 8, and why I remember the date, I have no idea, as I am good on silly things like that, as July 8, 1973 was my first Baltimore Oriole game in Baltimore. I was a die hard Senator fan, as you may remember the lovable Nats and I have my Washington Senators stuff in the stairway going down to the train room. Frank Howard, belong to our swimming pool in Aspen Hill, Georgian Country Club, since he lived in Fox Hall, a housing development on GA Ave in 1967 and 1968, as it wasn't really a country club, but just a pool, with some unused tennis courts and no golf. That is now homes on GA Ave. We, the kids were scared to death of Howard, as he wanted the kids to come up to him. He was the nicest man as he had 9 kids and would get in the pool with all nine and be like a motor boat, making motor boat noises. I will never forget that. I get a Nat's New for the Washington Senator's that I may keep over Classic Toy Trains Magazine! Just kidding. It means more, since CTT is mostly O gauge. And it is only $20 per year, not 39.95. Maybe if I drop it, Nat's News, will get the magic reward for dropping it like CTT offers to those who left the mag. But then we only get 4 issues a year, 10 pages, but worth every penny. Howard was a huge man that scared us kids, but we had respect for him too, so we left him alone, as 1968 he had ten home runs in one week in May. That was a great thing that got the city back together after that tragic Day in April, April 4, only to have happen again in June, June 5. It was a wet and snowy day, on January 8, 1974, as I drove my 1973 Ford Maverick to Model RR Center to drop the engine off and then I headed to the U of MD for my second semester, as it was registration day. Anyway, I sort of got into trains in 1974, thinking of building a HO layout and the AF Hudson I had didn't want to run right, as the drive wheels separated. And remember waiting in line, as there was a Montgomery County Police Officer in line to drop something off for repair. I only was in this place a couple of times, but it reminded me of a auto parts warehouse, with a counter, as there was rows and rows of things in the back of the counter that only the owners could get to. Well, I dropped off the engine and got my repair ticket stub, as I dropped off a Ahearn Diesel too. A few months went by and I called and the phone was disconnected! I drove there and the place was gone! Complete store was empty out! I drove to Reds Hobby in Wheaton, as they are gone too now, and Red, his real name, was kind to give me Stuart Davison's home number, as he was quite mad on how they didn't contact people with repairs. It was a father and son run business. The number was for the son. He was polite and said that he was still going to fix the engine. I said fine. 1975, 1976..1977 I would call and he said it wasn't ready! Okay. 1978, graduated U of MD 1980 career in food sales begin, 1981 met my future wife on March 30, at 1 p.m at Chestnut Lodge the mental hospital for the wealthy, as she was an intern for dietetics for Hood College making a cold sales call on the place for food sales. Didn't get the account, but I got something better and she likes trains and baseball! But no engine! July 31, 1982 Marriage, but the engine is not ready. Like the time line? Finally I decided in 1984! I wanted the engine back no matter what!!! It's done! Total cost $8. Is that in 1974 or 1984 dollars! LOL The problem was the drive wheels, I think I mention that, and he finally got them glued together. My HO unit was ready to go to, for $4, as that needed some wheel bearings. Stuart come by the house in a ratted VW Van and he was really dirty himself, clothes and body. And smelled! I have the repair ticket somewhere saved because of all of this. I had no knowledge about AF and the rarity of this engine, as it was made for one year in 1958, as many 3 digit number trains from AF were still around, five digits pieces would be the new numbering system and 1958 was a recession year. This engine list in TM guide for 1800 in E. That doesn't matter, as this engine has allot of meaning to me, since it was from childhood and I wouldn't care if it was worth only $10. This set list in the 1958 catalog for $74.95! And my Dad got a 957 Action box car to go with it for 4.95! Allot of money in 1958! So that is the story of maybe the longest train repair in history. But the story doesn't end! In 1992 I got interested in AF again, as I took this engine and some other AF to a hobby shop in College Park, MD and the owner was at a train show. I told the lady my story above and I didn't want to leave it since he wasn't there! She was his wife and assured me that wouldn't happen and gave me their home number. The repair went fine, as that lead to Ralph Loveless, who did his repair work, Harwood Owings111 and Bob Tufts, 3 very knowledgeable AF people, as I know Bob and Harwood are some of the best for information in the world for AF. Bob and Ralph signed my TCA application and I met Harwood when I bought that restore 336 with the repainted tender, in 1992, very nicely done, and the truck problem I think I wrote about on the TCA list. The wheels were in reverse for the pickup and I had Harwood's card and he fixed it for me, as he was very apologetic about it, not like the guy who sold me the 21130 with the reglued steps. They are great friends, as they helped educate me about AF and the things to be careful about, like reglued steps. Yes, train shop are few now, everywhere, due to the nature of the business. Maybe you went to evil Springbrook or Blair High School! O:) My neighbor was head of the English dept at Sringbrook, Sue Dawson, taught at Wheaton and went back to Springbrook the next year. Couldn't stand Wheaton! Bethesda and Loundon has gone through allot of changes! Well, you said you liked stories, O:)! I hope this wasn't too long. I probably will donate it to TCA someday, because they need more AF in the museum! But not now, don't call Ron Morris! As they say, I'll call you! LOL! Maybe I should tag it, restored. Don't want to get throw out for giving a restored piece, fixed. But then no money will exchange, so how will they charge me on that. Just kidding. Then there is the story about finding AF trains in Maine....................another time! I will sell the rights to the networks, of the above, as this could be a real reality show. But I don't think anyone will be interested. Not enough of the things they do on those shows! I will leave it at that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ochsman, Robert B. To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Model RR Center Mike: Saw your post on the Toy Trains list. I grew up in Silver Spring waaay long ago and I do remember the Lionel retailer in the back of (I think) of Congressional shopping center on the Pike. I always thought that this area - I work in Bethesda, live out in northern Loudoun Co) had too few train retailers. Story? I love good stories. Regards, Bob Ochsman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30244	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?

Hi Brian, We will welcome kits or RTR in S scale with open arms. Many people on this list are hi-railers or American Flyer operators which look for RTR structures or rolling stock. Hi-railers such as myself welcome RTR as we are busy business men & women with little kit building time. Some Hi-railers super detail RTR materials. There are pockets of operators in the Northeast, upper midwest and west coast. You can advertise in S Gaugian magazine or the Dispatch as a member of NASG. About 2/3 of S Gaugers are hi-rail anywhere from 6,000 to 100,000 as most American Flyer operators do not belong to any organization. S Scalers are fewer in number since many don't show themselves in public but welcome kits or RTR products. Many S Scalers kitbash HO kits. The majority of S gaugers from surveys model from 1940s to 1960s the steam to diesel transition era. A small percentage model in the modern era but this may be because so little is available in the modern. The NASG has a list of all S gauge manufacturers and their products which may give you a better idea of what is presently on the market. Cost of items can also be a factor as a few S scalers will pay for brass and fine scale prototype models. K-Line has come out with a line of freight cars on S gauge trucks for under $20 but they are not to scale. Glenn Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:54:12 -0000 From: "Brian Chapman" <cornbeltroute@...> Subject: Should we manufacture in S Scale? Hello all, We operate a startup business, Granger Roads, making railroad and industrial buildings as well as freight cars common to the upper Midwest region. To this end, we employ a CAD/CAM process, including CNC mill and lathe, power spray photo-etching system, and spin-, pressure-, and vacuum casting with Hydrocal plaster, resin and pewter materials. I hoped to present that brief introduction in order to ask a few questions pertinent to S scale, about which I know so very little (other than that it is truly a "modeler's scale"). BTW, I hope I am within list rules with this post; I did not spot a prohibition to such questions on the Home page. My chief question, of course, revolves around what sort of reception our products might receive within the S scale community (assuming our products are nicely done). >> Are S scale modelers most interested in kits, since S scale is a > > modeler's scale and bashing and modifying commercial offerings might be the common pratice? >> Or, are finely detailed RTR buildings and freight cars appreciated > > by S scalers as much by modelers in other scales . . . we all have time limitations, right? >> Is the S scale modeler population evenly spread across the country, > > or is it found in pockets, regions where S scale is particularly popular. Since we focus on upper Midwest roads (the grangers), it'd be darn helpful to discover if our focus area contains a number of S scalers. >> Is the transition era most popular with S scalers, or is there a > > predominant interest in steam, for example? Are there many modern-day modelers in S scale out there? I'm looking for a marketing profile of S scale, it seems. I much appreciate any suggestions or advice anyone might wish to send our way. Thank you much, -Brian Brian Chapman Granger Roads Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30245	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Actually building now!

I apologize for those of you that have seen this post before, but the tips I had were lost in my hard drive crash last month. The money issue reared it's ugly head to tell me that then wasn't the time to build, but I think it may be now! I spent the weekend picking up the temporary loop I had on the floor and boxing up my accessories and rolling stock. I have even put tape on the floor to mark my table position! I am very close to actually getting my layout tables started. I am hoping to buy lumber on Tuesday, but I have a couple of questions for you. If you were going to start from scratch what kind of things would you do, what would you do differently and why? I am thinking of 2X4 construction with a top of plywood and then covering that with the blue thick insulation material for sound deadening. I know there are probably better ways than the old 1960's book I have on building a layout! Barb gave me a tip that I am going to use and that is to build my tables modularly and bolt them together. That way I can build them in the garage and bring them downstairs to assemble them. Less dirt in the basement I figure. I would appreciate any and all thought you might have. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30246	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: O GAGE DECALS

HI, i just got two packs of E-109 o gage decals and a pack of ho hc-121 caboose,,,,,,,,, i have never seen theses before,does anyone know what should be in eack package,? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30247	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?

Glenn, Welcome back! I hope you are feeling better! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: "A/S-TRAINS" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale? > Hi Brian, > > We will welcome kits or RTR in S scale with open arms. > Many people on this list are hi-railers or American Flyer > operators which look for RTR structures or rolling stock. > Hi-railers such as myself welcome RTR as we are busy > business men & women with little kit building time. > Some Hi-railers super detail RTR materials. > > There are pockets of operators in the Northeast, upper midwest > and west coast. You can advertise in S Gaugian magazine > or the Dispatch as a member of NASG. > > About 2/3 of S Gaugers are hi-rail anywhere from > 6,000 to 100,000 as most American Flyer operators > do not belong to any organization. S Scalers are > fewer in number since many don't show themselves > in public but welcome kits or RTR products. Many > S Scalers kitbash HO kits. > > The majority of S gaugers from surveys model from 1940s to 1960s > the steam to diesel transition era. A small percentage model > in the modern era but this may be because so little is > available in the modern. > > The NASG has a list of all S gauge manufacturers and their > products which may give you a better idea of what is > presently on the market. Cost of items can also be > a factor as a few S scalers will pay for brass and fine scale > prototype models. K-Line has come out with a line of freight > cars on S gauge trucks for under $20 but they are not to scale. > > Glenn > > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:54:12 -0000 > From: "Brian Chapman" <cornbeltroute@...> > Subject: Should we manufacture in S Scale? > > Hello all, > > We operate a startup business, Granger Roads, making railroad and > industrial buildings as well as freight cars common to the upper > Midwest region. To this end, we employ a CAD/CAM process, including > CNC mill and lathe, power spray photo-etching system, and spin-, > pressure-, and vacuum casting with Hydrocal plaster, resin and pewter > materials. > > I hoped to present that brief introduction in order to ask a few > questions pertinent to S scale, about which I know so very little > (other than that it is truly a "modeler's scale"). BTW, I hope I am > within list rules with this post; I did not spot a prohibition to > such questions on the Home page. > > My chief question, of course, revolves around what sort of reception > our products might receive within the S scale community (assuming our > products are nicely done). > > > >> Are S scale modelers most interested in kits, since S scale is a > > > > > modeler's scale and bashing and modifying commercial offerings might > be the common pratice? > > > >> Or, are finely detailed RTR buildings and freight cars appreciated > > > > > by S scalers as much by modelers in other scales . . . we all have > time limitations, right? > > > >> Is the S scale modeler population evenly spread across the country, > > > > > or is it found in pockets, regions where S scale is particularly > popular. Since we focus on upper Midwest roads (the grangers), it'd > be darn helpful to discover if our focus area contains a number of S > scalers. > > > >> Is the transition era most popular with S scalers, or is there a > > > > > predominant interest in steam, for example? Are there many modern-day > modelers in S scale out there? > > I'm looking for a marketing profile of S scale, it seems. I much > appreciate any suggestions or advice anyone might wish to send our > way. > > Thank you much, > > -Brian > > Brian Chapman > Granger Roads > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30248	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2222

Smoke units: fill the unit with alcohol or any solvent, let the unit stand over night, this will, in most cases soften the coagulated old smoke fluid, after a few treatments the train should start smoking at the start up and continue for long periods between re fills. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30249	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!

Gary If the floor in your basement or garage is unfinished, mighten it be worth your time and expense to seal it before putting up your layout? I know in factories, those with sealed floors are a whole lot less dusty and dirty thatn those that are not sealed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "slist" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Actually building now! > I apologize for those of you that have seen this post before, but the tips I > had were lost in my hard drive crash last month. The money issue reared > it's ugly head to tell me that then wasn't the time to build, but I think it > may be now! > > I spent the weekend picking up the temporary loop I had on the floor and > boxing up my accessories and rolling stock. I have even put tape on the > floor to mark my table position! I am very close to actually getting my > layout tables started. I am hoping to buy lumber on Tuesday, but I have a > couple of questions for you. > > If you were going to start from scratch what kind of things would you do, > what would you do differently and why? > > I am thinking of 2X4 construction with a top of plywood and then covering > that with the blue thick insulation material for sound deadening. I know > there are probably better ways than the old 1960's book I have on building a > layout! Barb gave me a tip that I am going to use and that is to build my > tables modularly and bolt them together. That way I can build them in the > garage and bring them downstairs to assemble them. Less dirt in the > basement I figure. > > I would appreciate any and all thought you might have. > > gary > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30250	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Should we manufacture in S Scale?

Brian, You should go to NASG. They will have a list of members. From it you can map concentrations or pockets of customers. Also, they will have a list of manufacturers that support our hobby. Most of those have web sites where you can see what each is making and at what final price. Bust of Luck to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chapman" <cornbeltroute@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Should we manufacture in S Scale? > Hello all, > > We operate a startup business, Granger Roads, making railroad and > industrial buildings as well as freight cars common to the upper > Midwest region. To this end, we employ a CAD/CAM process, including > CNC mill and lathe, power spray photo-etching system, and spin-, > pressure-, and vacuum casting with Hydrocal plaster, resin and pewter > materials. > > I hoped to present that brief introduction in order to ask a few > questions pertinent to S scale, about which I know so very little > (other than that it is truly a "modeler's scale"). BTW, I hope I am > within list rules with this post; I did not spot a prohibition to > such questions on the Home page. > > My chief question, of course, revolves around what sort of reception > our products might receive within the S scale community (assuming our > products are nicely done). > > > Are S scale modelers most interested in kits, since S scale is a > modeler's scale and bashing and modifying commercial offerings might > be the common pratice? > > > Or, are finely detailed RTR buildings and freight cars appreciated > by S scalers as much by modelers in other scales . . . we all have > time limitations, right? > > > Is the S scale modeler population evenly spread across the country, > or is it found in pockets, regions where S scale is particularly > popular. Since we focus on upper Midwest roads (the grangers), it'd > be darn helpful to discover if our focus area contains a number of S > scalers. > > > Is the transition era most popular with S scalers, or is there a > predominant interest in steam, for example? Are there many modern-day > modelers in S scale out there? > > I'm looking for a marketing profile of S scale, it seems. I much > appreciate any suggestions or advice anyone might wish to send our > way. > > Thank you much, > > -Brian > > Brian Chapman > Granger Roads > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > > > --- > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30251	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!

Also if you seal the floor, use a sweeping compound when sweeping the floor. It will keep the dust from coming off the floor & landing elsewhere. It's cheap (About $12.00 for 25lbs & will last you a lifetime) It has a little wax to it & waxes the floor with every use. Mike   Gary   If the floor in your basement or garage is unfinished, mighten it be worth your time and expense to seal it before putting up your layout? I know in factories, those with sealed floors are a whole lot less dusty and dirty thatn those that are not sealed. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30252	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: Re: MRC Direct Current Powerpack

I have used the MRC Tech II Loco-Motion 2500 with good results on AF steam engines. The diesels are so inefficient that it probably will not give satisfactory results. You should know that if you run for an extended period, the thermal overload protection might shut off the power pack. I had this happen at an open house after running more than an hour. I thought I had fried the power pack. It was quite warm and gave no power. I tried later and it worked just like before. The thermal overload protection had reset and everything was fine. If you are going to demand more then you should get a power pack rated for 3 or 4 amps. On the other hand, if you already have a Flyer power pack that does the job, you can build a rectifier and direction control box to put between the power pack and the track. You use a bridge rectifier to convertthe AC to DC, then you use a double pole double throw switch to change the polarity of the track. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:53:34 -0000 > From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> >Subject: MRC Direct Current Powerpack > >Which MRC direct current powerpack would have the power to run >original American Flyer engines? I would replace the e-units with >bridge rectifiers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30253	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2004
Subject: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Flyer 6

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3183620995&category=480 Anybody know the story on this car, as I am not interested in it, but curious. He says there are only 4 and how do you tell if the doors are miscut. Is this really mention in a Greenberg book? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30254	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!

Hey Gary! I think your on the right track(pardon the pun!) with the 2x4's and plywood top. May I suggest 1/2" MDF as a cheaper alternative to plywood. It does cut and sand much nicer than plywood. Downside is that you do not want to get it wet. If possible, use 3" wood screws to put the 2x4's frame together with and regular drywall screws to screw the top down with(2x4's for the bracing also). I would then put down the blue or pink foam board down with drywall screws also(can then be easily removed if moving). Yes, bolting the tables together is a good idea. Oh yeah, spend the extra on getting kiln dried 2x4's that are real straight! It will pay off in the long run with good operating trains...Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "slist" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Actually building now! > I apologize for those of you that have seen this post before, but the tips I > had were lost in my hard drive crash last month. The money issue reared > it's ugly head to tell me that then wasn't the time to build, but I think it > may be now! > > I spent the weekend picking up the temporary loop I had on the floor and > boxing up my accessories and rolling stock. I have even put tape on the > floor to mark my table position! I am very close to actually getting my > layout tables started. I am hoping to buy lumber on Tuesday, but I have a > couple of questions for you. > > If you were going to start from scratch what kind of things would you do, > what would you do differently and why? > > I am thinking of 2X4 construction with a top of plywood and then covering > that with the blue thick insulation material for sound deadening. I know > there are probably better ways than the old 1960's book I have on building a > layout! Barb gave me a tip that I am going to use and that is to build my > tables modularly and bolt them together. That way I can build them in the > garage and bring them downstairs to assemble them. Less dirt in the > basement I figure. > > I would appreciate any and all thought you might have. > > gary > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30255	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995

Mike asked: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3183620995&category=480 >Anybody know the story on this car, <snip> how do you tell if the doors are miscut. I think he's referring to the vertical grooves that mark out vestibule doors. From the pic, it appears they were mistakenly cut at the baggage end of the car instead of the passenger end. Interesting factory error. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30256	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: Anybody know the story on this car, as I am not interested in it, but curious. He says there are only 4 and how do you tell if the doors are miscut. Is this really mention in a Greenberg book? Mike, The September 1994 issue of the TTOS Bulletin had an article about this car. I'm not home right now so I can't check the article to see what it said. If anyone has a copy of this issue maybe they can check it out and let the group know what it says. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30257	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - A

This email came to me in private, as I think it was meant for the whole group, but I see nowhere it is mentioned in the Greenberg Book Vol. One, that only 4 were made as the Ebay Seller states. Page 206 as below is about couplers, in my book. On Page 178, it is where the 660 is listed. It does mention this variation, but nothing about only 4 being made. And it lists this variation of NRS. Why do people write things like this, as the point of my questioning, of only 4 made. Yes, he did back that statement up, but there is no mention of it in Greenberg Book that I have. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: DCUPLUVR@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fl... Hi Ya'll, this is mentioned in VOl. 1 of the Greenberg's Guideto American Flyer S Gauge on page 206. Check it out. Dc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30258	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - A

----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fl... Thanks to all who responded to my question, as I am not doubting his piece is one of what he says it is, just why do people say things like this. Just hyping the sale I am sure. Sad. See you tonight Harwood, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fl... In a message dated 03/22/2004 10:05:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3183620995&category=480 Mike, I doubt if there are only four of these. There have been a least 5 or 6 on ebay this year alone. Two in the same week. No one really knows how many mistakes were made. People should not say this. Probably machine that punched them out was set up wrong. A bad Monday morning hangover or something. No big deal, these pop up all the time at York, many people dont catch the difference. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30259	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly

Thanks Walt, as the mention of only 4 know for this car is now taken off the auction. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Flyer 660 Baggage C > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > Anybody know the story on this car, as I am not interested in it, but > curious. He says there are only 4 and how do you tell if the doors > are miscut. Is this really mention in a Greenberg book? > > Mike, > > The September 1994 issue of the TTOS Bulletin had an article about > this car. I'm not home right now so I can't check the article to see > what it said. If anyone has a copy of this issue maybe they can check > it out and let the group know what it says. > > Walt > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30260	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fly

Hi Walt, When I saw you name for the response with the article on the car, I thought it was maybe you selling the car, as the Ebay Id, had the word "Walt" in the seller's ID. However the city where the seller is, is another Walt and a TCA member. Don't mean to be on the band wagon against my fellow TCA members, but that statement needs a better backup, as it is now gone. If this Walt is on the list, thanks for taking that state off the auction and best to you with the biding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Flyer 660 Baggage C > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > Anybody know the story on this car, as I am not interested in it, but > curious. He says there are only 4 and how do you tell if the doors > are miscut. Is this really mention in a Greenberg book? > > Mike, > > The September 1994 issue of the TTOS Bulletin had an article about > this car. I'm not home right now so I can't check the article to see > what it said. If anyone has a copy of this issue maybe they can check > it out and let the group know what it says. > > Walt > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30261	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: New member from Canada soon!

Well, one good thing that came about with my writing of my experience with the bad 21130, as Al wrote me from the S list, that he had a non TCA member friend, who is now in the TCA, buy a 21139 engine for him at the bandit meets in York, if that is what they called, and the engine for the money was badly restored! Al did call the TCA member on the phone, but all he got is a recording and no return call. So the member knew this engine had problems. I asked Dr. Joseph Lechner, since he is the moderator, of the TCA list, if a non member can file a complaint against a member for a sale that is not up to TCA standards. He said no. I think that is not a good reflection on TCA and it members if that is the case, as that is a bad reflection on TCA in whole, if a non member gets a bad sale, and it effects the hobby, as people may get out of train collecting if this is way of things, etc. Something for TCA to thing about. And no, the TCA can not do anything to a non member selling something. But Al is not a member and I offered to print a TCA form, sign it and mail it, which will be done today. I hope all doesn't mind me telling this story. His friend will then sign it. Al had a hard finding two people to sign it, since he lives in Calgary. But the bad news is, my track record for signing TCA applications is not too good! See below! Jerry Matsick, did I scare you off! Sent me your form or I can print one too and send it to you! Mike....I guess it would help if I sent you my address! It is as follows.... Al Kielek 56 Woodborough Place S.W Calgary Alberta Canada T2W 4Y2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 Ebay engine Hi Al, I would be happy to go to the TCA website and print an Application out, sign it and send it to you. However, I will forewarn you, that I did this for the controller of my company. Two years later, he had a heart attack and died, so my track record is not too good for new member! O:)! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30262	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: membership fee, out of US

Dear TCA membership, I am signing a TCA membership form for an email friend in Canada. I see on the form, that $50 must accompany the application back to TCA, as that is in American dollars. My question for you, is what is the amount you need from someone in Canada, due to the exchange rate. Could you let me know, so that Al does pay the correct amount needed so that his application will be process with out delay. And is a Canadian check acceptable? You may reply to Al directly with the CC email of kielek Family. Thank you, Mike Marmer 92-35192 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30263	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: diaphragns

Help! I can't find anyone other than Scenery Unlimited who advertises diaphragms. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30264	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: eBay item 3183620995.

Hi, Checked the TTOS Bulletin, for Sept.1994, as suggested by Walt..... I will copy it as it is written.... " The 660 baggage car was different. The door window on each side of the car was at the wrong end of the car. The aluminum cars were stamped outside of the factory, and assembled in the factory. Today, I know of four sets, all in the Midwest (Chicago area) which were assembled the same way." I, myself, believe there are more then four of these cars out there.... They came in sets, and they were never noticed..... Check all your aluminum cars... Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30265	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Thanks and.....

Thanks for all of the great input for me and my layout! Some things have been confirmed and some have been new things that sound great. How high for the top of the table? Forty to forty-eight inches? I have a five year old son that would like to still be able to play. I figure I can get a stool for him to get up that high. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30266	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST)

Hi all, I only have the old book "The thired edition" you can find it on page 133 too. I had to look at mine to see if I had # five. I do have a junker some where, but don't know where it is off hand. Scott UVL97222 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > This email came to me in private, as I think it was meant for the whole group, but I see nowhere it is mentioned in the Greenberg Book Vol. One, that only 4 were made as the Ebay Seller states. > > Page 206 as below is about couplers, in my book. > > On Page 178, it is where the 660 is listed. It does mention this variation, but nothing about only 4 being made. And it lists this variation of NRS. > > Why do people write things like this, as the point of my questioning, of only 4 made. Yes, he did back that statement up, but there is no mention of it in Greenberg Book that I have. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DCUPLUVR@a... > To: mlmarmer@m... > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 3183620995 (Ends Mar-25-04 170040 PST) - American Fl... > > > Hi Ya'll, this is mentioned in VOl. 1 of the Greenberg's Guideto American Flyer S Gauge on page 206. Check it out. > > Dc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30267	From: jhan coble	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: new member

I would like to thank you for allowing me to join this group. I belong to several other groups of yahoo and am well aware of the problems that can accure. My main hobby is 1/25 oilfield trucks and related equipement. I have a feeling trains will be a part of my life. My wife and I have 3 1/2 year old twin boys that are train crazy! They are into Thomas the tank engine. I know you are wondering what are you doing here? Well over 40 years ago my late brother J.T. and I received an American Flyer double train set for x-mas.The locomotive is a 21160 Reading Lines with tender and the diesel is a yellow and green Northwestern "400" with the #21808 also on it. I want to restore these trains and I found the loco diagram but can not figure out what the diesel is for sure. Which # do I go by the 400 or the 21808? thank you for any help given. later J.L. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30268	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: new member

#21808.... Somewhere in my mind it seems like there was double set put out by someone..... Sears???.... Diesel Pass set and Steam freight set...... Anyway....welcome and join us on Sunday nights for the Chat.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jhan coble" <jlcoble56_@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] new member > > I would like to thank you for allowing me to join this group. I > belong to several other groups of yahoo and am well aware of the problems > that can accure. My main hobby is 1/25 oilfield trucks and related > equipement. I have a feeling trains will be a part of my life. My wife and I > have 3 1/2 year old twin boys that are train crazy! They are into Thomas the > tank engine. I know you are wondering what are you doing here? Well over 40 > years ago my late brother J.T. and I received an American Flyer double train > set for x-mas.The locomotive is a 21160 Reading Lines with tender and the > diesel is a yellow and green Northwestern "400" with the #21808 also on it. > I want to restore these trains and I found the loco diagram but can not > figure out what the diesel is for sure. Which # do I go by the 400 or the > 21808? thank you for any help given. later J.L. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! > (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30269	From: roy inman	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Addition to S Trains guide

Hi to Michael G. Paschall or whomever: Just a suggestion, but when NASG prints the next S Trains Buyer's Guide, it might be an idea to include Pine Canyon Scale Models in the list. The copy I have may or may not be current, don't know. Someone else is no doubt way ahead of me, (I can be a little slow sometimes) but just thought I'd toss it out. Cheers :) Roy Inman -----

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30270	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 3183620995.

I think Vin is right. I believe there were more than 4 of these cars , because I worked on one, cleaning it up for a guy in the early ;90;s.. It had been newly discovered in a house, if I recall correctly.. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30271	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Actually building now!

Hi Ya'll. I am getting ready to build my tables for my layout also. Do you still use Homasote or what for the sound deading medium. Homasote is $30.00 per sheet here and there must be something less expensive that is a suitable substitute. Thanks, folks, Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30272	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: American Flyer makes the eBay home page

http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo40/eBay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30273	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/23/2004
Subject: Re: Thanks and.....

I really like our modules made to SMod standards, 42" to top of rail. Even an old geezer like me can duck under. Also high enough to work under to solder connections or perform other maintenance in case that's needed for repairs while set up. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "slist" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks and..... > Thanks for all of the great input for me and my layout! Some things have > been confirmed and some have been new things that sound great. > > How high for the top of the table? Forty to forty-eight inches? I have a > five year old son that would like to still be able to play. I figure I can > get a stool for him to get up that high. > > gary > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30274	From: stevemcguire63	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: White decal paper

Hi all, I have a problem regarding white decal paper. I have used Bel white waterslide paper, but this is not completely opaque and some of the underlying color shows through. Has anyone used a different brand that gives a nice, solid white? Thanks, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30275	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: MAJOR Announcement - Pennsy S Models S Scale Brass X29 Update

Hi All, Today is a very special day for me. Both of my websites have been updated. But first, here is the BIG news. I have been waiting for over 7 years to make this announcement. We have received another REA pilot model from my builder on Monday. It is VERY good. I have approved it to finally START PRODUCTION of the Railway Express version. After almost 4 years with my current builder, a few pilot models, and hundreds of hours and emails, we have arrived. I am getting the exact model that I have wanted since its inception, without ONE compromise to the details. I have not seen all of them on ANY brass model in any scale before. It features punched rivets, prototypical draft gear, stainless steel wheels and stainless steel pointed axles, and a full functioning coil and leaf spring package. Most of the castings were cast in America from American made master patterns. If you want a REA version, the time to act is NOW. We are locking in the final production quantity in about 2 weeks. Once the REA version is completed and ships to us, the price will increase to at least $300.00. We have held the 3-year-old price to $250.00 in spite of extreme cost overruns. The freight versions that include B & O and NYC will follow later this year. We will have production REA cars at the NASG convention in July. Please see the Pennsy S Models website below for new photos of the car and a link to download the PDF order form. I have also updated my Lanes Trains website with new photos of my models. I have also added an HO section with more HO pieces being completed next week. I am taking in new models for painting as well. Please contact me directly. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass X29 in S Scale http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30276	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer makes the eBay home page

Mike, That has been on the Ebay homepage on and off for sometime for now. I guess it is a good thing, but then, they maybe trying to get baby bloomers, as I am one of those things (O:)!) to buying things they had as kids, which is the trend like now. So that might be a bad thing, getting people into AF, and then they win something you wanted as you were a AF person all along! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer makes the eBay home page > http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo40/eBay > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30277	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: New S scale layout website

One of our customers sent along a webpage of his S scale layout that I am going to ask our web master to add to our website. You to can visit Chip's layout at: http://www.coloradoandsilverriver.com/ We were very impressed and think you will be too. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30278	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: New S scale layout website

Hi Don GREAT LAYOUT!!! & website. John At 11:09 AM 3/24/2004, Donald Thompson wrote: > One of our customers sent along a webpage of his S scale layout that >I am going to ask our web master to add to our website. You to can >visit Chip's layout at: > >http://www.coloradoandsilverriver.com/ > > We were very impressed and think you will be too. >Best regards, >Don Thompson >S Helper Service Inc. > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30279	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Model Railroader

Hi Folks Just a reminder, Model Railroader is planning a six page spread on Jess Bennett's S Scale Layout in the July 2004 issue. Still time to put in an ad. If interested call Denny Hamilton toll free at 1 888 558 1544 ext.643 for particulars. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30280	From: Linda & Ted Weiler	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: New S scale layout website

I have operated on this pike, it is better in person than the pictures show. In Monte Vista Chip has used craftsman kits from Bill's Train Shop and probably others and they are very well done. He is a convert from HO. This layout is usually open to the public during the two train shows the North Texas Assn of clubs puts on teh 3rd weekend of November in Fort Worth and the Plano show usually the third weekend in January. Mark your calendars now to be in hte DFW region. Ted Weiler Trinity Express S Scalers DFW, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30281	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Installing DCC in Thomas the Tank engine

I just recently completed the installation of a DCC decoder in Putt Trains' Thomas the Tank engine. For those who might be interested in this very easy, one night project, you'll find a few words and pictures at: http://mainerailroads.org/dcc/puttthomas.html Enjoy! Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30282	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: naming the base post

I wonder if Gilbert named its common rail the "base post" because "common" is too close to "communist". Postwar anticommunist fervor dates roughly from Churchill's Iron Curtain speech, which was delivered March 5, 1946. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30283	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/24/2004
Subject: Track Maint. Car 23743

I have a rather nice 23743 in the clear back, but do not have the driver. I was wondering if anyone might have some suggestions relative to finding an original man. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30284	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Styrofoam and track

I am in the middle stages of rebuilding my layout. I have used 1 inch styrofoam as the sound deadening on the board. I have also used the Woodland Scenics system to build inclines for a Mountain area of the addition. Questions that I have no good answers for are: 1) Using traditional American Flyer track, what do you use to attach it to the styrofoam? Do you use screws, nails, or glue/ adhesive to attach track? What do you use on the Woodland Scenics inclines? 2) Do you use a road bed with traditional track if installing on styofoam? 3) I agree with Carl about plaster and track. What recommendations do you have for mountains that will have rail lines running through them? (I have already thought about removable sections.) 4) I have seen and read most of the articles in books, magazines, and on line about whether or not to use ballast on you layout. I have some rubber roadbed I use now. Suggestions? I have about 350+ feet of new track to ballast. All is on styrofoam. Some will be in the mountains. Thoughts would be appreciated. Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30285	From: roy inman	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track

Cliff, I have used clear acrylic bath adhesive to attach everything from Z to G gauge track. Have not used it for AF track, since I have not had occasion to make a modular or permanent Flyer layout, but don't see why it wouldn't work. The Dap brand of adhesive is the only one I have personally used, and the only one I can recommend. Others might work fine also. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Clifford Manning <clifma19@...> > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:04:47 -0600 > To: S-Train <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > > 1) Using traditional American Flyer track, what do you use to attach it > to the styrofoam? > Do you use screws, nails, or glue/ adhesive to attach track? What do you > use on the Woodland Scenics inclines?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30286	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Hi Clifford! If you are using just the track with no rubber roadbed, I would cut wooden ties to go in between the metal ties. I would use 3/4" finishing nails to go thru the metal ties to hold the track into place. Of course, glue the wooden ties into place with white glue or use a hot glue gun. Then ballast the track and use a mixture of 50/50 white glue and water. First, wet the track and ballast with a spray bottle of soapy water(liquid dish soap is fine) and then apply the white glue mixture liberally. When the ballast dries, it should hold the track into place. Make sure when you ballast the track , it comes up to the top of the ties. Mountains can be made by using a hot glue gun and pink foam board(I find the pink better than blue for not melting as much) . Stack various assorted pieces around and along the track where your mountain will be. When you have stacked the pieces to the a height that will clear your train (Frontiersman?) then put wider pieces to stradle the track but don't glue those pieces for your access panel. Above this layer of foam that is not glued, you can glue pieces again . Use a "hot wire" for cutting and shaping your mountain and you will have a seamless piece where your access is and it should look GREAT! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Manning" <clifma19@...> To: "S-Train" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > I am in the middle stages of rebuilding my layout. I have used 1 inch > styrofoam as the sound deadening on the board. I have also used the > Woodland Scenics system to build inclines for a Mountain area of the > addition. > > Questions that I have no good answers for are: > > 1) Using traditional American Flyer track, what do you use to attach it > to the styrofoam? > Do you use screws, nails, or glue/ adhesive to attach track? What do you > use on the Woodland Scenics inclines? > > 2) Do you use a road bed with traditional track if installing on > styofoam? > > 3) I agree with Carl about plaster and track. What recommendations do > you have for mountains that will have rail lines running through them? > (I have already thought about removable sections.) > > 4) I have seen and read most of the articles in books, magazines, and on > line about whether or not to use ballast on you layout. I have some > rubber roadbed I use now. Suggestions? I have about 350+ feet of new > track to ballast. All is on styrofoam. Some will be in the mountains. > > Thoughts would be appreciated. > > Clifford Manning > Topeka, Ks > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30287	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention in Fresno

Hi Folks Is anyone out there planning on attending the TTOS convention this August at Fresno Ca. If yes please contact me at, john.foley16@... or call at 570 622 3413 Either way please leave phone #. I will gladly call you back. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30288	From: starman19811	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: C&O standard station in S scale FOR SALE

Built from a laser cut kit.Features real steel corrugatad roof,weatheringand cast chimeny.The kit was $65,I am asking $125.Buyer pays shipping of $6.00.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30289	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Track Maint. Car 23743

It has 23743 and track maintenance car on the side. -----Original Message----- From: clayton deich [mailto:uvl97222@...] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:32 AM To: Mark Kiner Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track Maint. Car 23743 Hi Mark, is the # 23743 on the side or is it just #743 ? I just am asking it could be rare. Scott UVL97222 --- Mark Kiner <AF336@...> wrote: > I have a rather nice 23743 in the clear back, but do > not have the driver. > > > > I was wondering if anyone might have some > suggestions relative to finding an > original man. > > > > > > Mark > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30290	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Hello Cliff, GREAT Questions! I'm at that point myself with my layout. I got the blue board yesterday in lieu of Homosote. However, I was curious as to how the track and other structures are permanently attached to the table top. Also can the styrofoam be painted??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Be"S"t Regards, Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30291	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Dane, Styrofoam can be easily painted - just use acrylic/water-based vice oil-based. For the track, I'd put down cork roadbed first and then attach the track to that with nails thru a few ties (predrill holes in ties). Styrofoam is so cheap that you can experiment on your own: if it doesn't work out, use another piece. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30292	From: roy inman	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track

---------- > From: dcupluvr@... > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) > To: clifma19@..., S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > > Hello Cliff, > > GREAT Questions! I'm at that point myself with my layout. I got the blue > board yesterday in lieu of Homosote. However, I was curious as to how the > track > and other structures are permanently attached to the table top. Also can the > styrofoam be painted??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Be"S"t Regards, > Dane > Dane, I have used silicon adhesive to stick down track. Not once has a piece or strip of track removed itself, and that I am talking modular, traveling layouts. Styro can be painted with WATER BASED PAINT. Don't accidentally drop a jar of any kind of thinner on it or the foam will dissolve. One of the best things about working with foam is that all of your liquid materials pretty much have to be non-toxic. This is just me talking now (as if anyone else might be "ghosting' this reply), but I gave up on that MEK, Toulon, one-micro-liter-will-kill-you- stuff long ago. Another advantage of foam is that you can abuse it, and then repair it easily. We have foam mountains, some out of one-inch, some out of two-inch foam. Hills, rills, ridges can be easily added; valleys can be carved. My train buddy across the street used two sheets of two-inch foam for a four-inch thick surface, and made some very neat river beds and waterfalls, and track canyons by sculpturing the foam. Good luck :) Roy Inman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30293	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: naming the base post

At 11:22 PM 3/24/04 -0500, you wrote: >I wonder if Gilbert named its common rail the "base post" because "common" >is too close to "communist". > >Postwar anticommunist fervor dates roughly from Churchill's Iron Curtain >speech, which was delivered March 5, 1946. > >Tom Jarcho > Wow, I though the MLK post was pushing the boundaries. I putting this one on my website. Just to be historically correct, ( I don't know about politically correct ), the term "base post" was used on the American Flyer pre-war transformers made in Chicago.....D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30294	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/25/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Dear Dane, We are using brown latex house paint (flat) on blue board with no problems on our display layout.. We also use hot glue to attach the woodland scenic risers and elevations. As well as tack down our S traxs to them. Don dcupluvr@... wrote: >Hello Cliff, > >GREAT Questions! I'm at that point myself with my layout. I got the blue >board yesterday in lieu of Homosote. However, I was curious as to how the track >and other structures are permanently attached to the table top. Also can the >styrofoam be painted??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >Be"S"t Regards, >Dane > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30295	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Hi Dane, I use blueboard on my layout painted with a coat of cheap primer. I leave mine white and sprinkle on my snow because I model winter/Christmas. Just paint over the white or even try tinting the primer. A good cheap gallon of brown paint would probably work too. I use Latex on mine. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30296	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track

Hi Ya'll, Thanks for all of your input to my inquiry. Keep them coming!!! Getting some great ideas here from ya'll. Thanks again! Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30297	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

For working on blue (or pink) board you paint it with latex flat brown house paint. I then sprinkle Woodland Scenics grass over the wet paint. I find no need to secure track or structures securely. If you like some security for the track position for flyer track, simply push track nails through the ties into the foam. I have a loop of track mounted this way for the upper level on my RR and it has not shifted after years of running. If you wish more secure track mounting then this then occasionally drill a hole and glue in place a dowel to hold a track nail or screw. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <robin@...> To: <dcupluvr@...> Cc: <clifma19@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > Dear Dane, > We are using brown latex house paint (flat) on blue board with no > problems on our display layout.. We also use hot glue to attach the > woodland scenic risers and elevations. As well as tack down our S traxs > to them. > Don > > dcupluvr@... wrote: > > >Hello Cliff, > > > >GREAT Questions! I'm at that point myself with my layout. I got the blue > >board yesterday in lieu of Homosote. However, I was curious as to how the track > >and other structures are permanently attached to the table top. Also can the > >styrofoam be painted??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > >Be"S"t Regards, > >Dane > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30298	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Roy I have been using both the pink and blue styrofoam on my portable display layout for the last couple of years. I use laytex paint (hardware mistakes) and low temperture hot glue to glue the track down with AF roadbed. In most cases it holds very well if there is any dirt or oil on the roadbed it doesn't hold as long. The hot glue will peel off the roadbed and track itf you need to change the layout. There are a couple of pictures at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun69 that Paul put up for me last winter. Buildings, people, cars, and others are tacked down using hot glue as well. They come up with a little tug and the glue can be peeled off without damage to the assessories. Switches are held down with 4-46 bolts and fender washers found in the model airplane section of the local hobby shop. I have moved this layout several times and haven't lost anything off the board, even when we turn it sideways to get through a door. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > > ---------- > > From: dcupluvr@... > > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) > > To: clifma19@..., S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > > > > Hello Cliff, > > > > GREAT Questions! I'm at that point myself with my layout. I got the blue > > board yesterday in lieu of Homosote. However, I was curious as to how the > > track > > and other structures are permanently attached to the table top. Also can the > > styrofoam be painted??? Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Be"S"t Regards, > > Dane > > > Dane, > I have used silicon adhesive to stick down track. Not once has a piece or > strip of track removed itself, and that I am talking modular, traveling > layouts. > Styro can be painted with WATER BASED PAINT. Don't accidentally drop a jar > of any kind of thinner on it or the foam will dissolve. > One of the best things about working with foam is that all of your liquid > materials pretty much have to be non-toxic. > This is just me talking now (as if anyone else might be "ghosting' this > reply), but I gave up on that MEK, Toulon, one-micro-liter-will-kill-you- > stuff long ago. > Another advantage of foam is that you can abuse it, and then repair it > easily. We have foam mountains, some out of one-inch, some out of two-inch > foam. Hills, rills, ridges can be easily added; valleys can be carved. My > train buddy across the street used two sheets of two-inch foam for a > four-inch thick surface, and made some very neat river beds and waterfalls, > and track canyons by sculpturing the foam. > Good luck :) > Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30299	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Jim what thickness of foam is this? Is it a single layer? Mark ==================================================== Jim said: I have been using both the pink and blue styrofoam on my portable display layout for the last couple of years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30300	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

Mark, It is a single layer of 1 inch foam board, except while the farm house is located and that is a hill built up with a couple of more layers of foam. I use white glue to glue the foam together, it works well and if you let it dry for about 24 hours it is very hard to get it apart. I have also used this technique to do a tunnel that can be seen at the site http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/ under AF demo 1. I used a mixture of water putty and laytex paint (instead of water) to coat the foam in place of plaster. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > Jim what thickness of foam is this? Is it a single layer? > > Mark > > ==================================================== > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30301	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale Modeling] New Web - Site!

>Hi "S" friends everywhere, > >The "Lehigh Valley S Gaugers" are very pleased to announce that at last we >have our own WEB-SITE. > >http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/ > >This web-site will replace all the hard copies of the LVSG ROUNDTABLE that >many of you as individuals and reciprocating clubs have received over the >years. > >We will no longer be mailing out the ROUNDTABLE. For all who wish, you may >now print yours out in glorious color. The ROUNDTABLE will change as time >permits and new material becomes available. > >The WEB-SITE is under the very able direction of LVSG member Stan >Furnmanak, who holds three Masters Degree's on this subject. We in the >Lehigh Valley club feel most fortunate to have Stan join us and to take on >this task. Stan is new to S Scale, but is already involved in some NASG >programs to be eventually announced. > >I have seen Stan's modeling work and that he is also an exceptional >modeler. One who really gets into the "Nitty Gritty" of each model. I can >verify this fact, as I go with Stan to photograph these subjects, many of >which I never gave thought to when I build my models. > >We also want to extend a very warm "THANK YOU" to Roy Hoffman who had >carried our LVSG Club Banner on his web-site. Thank"S" again, Roy. > >So please, if you will, visit our new Web-Site, we are so thrilled by it >and we hope you all will be too! >http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/ > >(Publishers.... We do have it copyrighted) > >Long live our beloved S Gauge....Hhhhuuummpphhh! S Scale? > >"S"ee Ya, >Bill Fraley > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30302	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: TTOS Conventions

Hi Folks I had a question from a manufacturer and as I have never been to one I'll ask it. To anyone who has been to a Toy Train Operating Society how would you gauge the representation of S? Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30303	From: editor	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

<SNIP>A good cheap gallon of brown paint would probably work too. I use Latex on mine. Chris ------------------------l OOPS! Paint at Home Depot & Lowe's = $5.00 per gallon. I got a great deal on 3 gallons of "Ralph Lauren Suede" latex -- the tan of ground and texture, too! Now all I have to do is build a layout. Debbie will probably use it on the house before that happens! We are putting our next issue of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide together with a bunch of really fantastic "How-To" articles. If you haven't tried the SMG, please do! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30304	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2227

Ken, Several members on the list have had trouble getting to the photo's in Yahoo groups so I copied them to the following site http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun83 this is in Paul's Photo Gallery-Photos From Our "S" Friends-Jim Hannawald. The foam construction is still at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun69 Hope these links work. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenny.C.Palmer@... To: jhannawald@... Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2227 Dear Jim, Regarding your post in the S-Trains group, I tried to go to your referenced link but can not locate it. Is it "further buried" in one of the files? I am in the planning stages of a layout myself and am soaking up ideas. Thank you, A fellow S-gauger Ken Palmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30305	From: Kenny.C.Palmer@phil.frb.org	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2227

Thanks Jim, Provided me a needed break from work for a few minutes. Cool pictures. I had viewed the foam construction ones earlier. Love the pictures of the kids - that's what it is still all about when it comes to operating flyer layouts. My son and I have been visiting Bill Moore's layout in Gibbstown and he uses foam for his base also. He has a 3/4" plywood layer over girders and then in most cases 2 layers of 1" foam board. His is a true scale layout using code 100 hand laid track, etc. But since we are not strictly flyer but more "a realistic hi-rail" I guess is as good a term as any, it is nice to see what can be done with diligence care and patience. I am beginning to think the stability (humidity wise) of foam over homasote/homa-bed may be preferable. Anyway, got to get back to work. Only a few more hours 'til quittin' time. Take care, Kenny "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> 03/26/2004 01:45 PM To: <Kenny.C.Palmer@...>, "S-Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> cc: Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2227 Ken, Several members on the list have had trouble getting to the photo's in Yahoo groups so I copied them to the following site http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun83 this is in Paul's Photo Gallery-Photos From Our "S" Friends-Jim Hannawald. The foam construction is still at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun69 Hope these links work. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenny.C.Palmer@... To: jhannawald@... Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2227 Dear Jim, Regarding your post in the S-Trains group, I tried to go to your referenced link but can not locate it. Is it "further buried" in one of the files? I am in the planning stages of a layout myself and am soaking up ideas. Thank you, A fellow S-gauger Ken Palmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30306	From: Tim	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Four rehab Baldwins

Hi Guys, I've just completed a rehab of four junker Baldwins. You can see them in my folder, under Photos, or use this link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst?&.dir=/&.src=gr&.begin=17&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t Some of them had missing front or rear steps or platforms, broken horns, non-working motors, broken couplers, paint splatters on the shells, etc. I replaced two of the motors with the SnS Baldwin can motor conversion kits. The other two I dummied out. The powered lead two pull the dummies and a string of freight cars up my 4% incline very well on about 1/3rd throttle of a #30B. The can motor conversion kits come with Dallee reverse units and added lead weights, plus I added a little weight to the dummies. I hand-painted the shells with Floquil water-based paints in the CN&W road name for a spot-on match. I'm very pleased with the way it all turned out. They won't win any modeler's contest, but they sure do make nice rehabbed runners for my little layout, so I thought I'd share. I'm still looking for a few good junker #355 Baldwins to rehab into Seaboards for my own use, so if anyone on this list has one they would like to sell, please contact me offlist. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 28, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30308	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: New S scale layout website

What i want to know is when will this be in, or has it been in, S- Gaugian? Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30309	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car variation?

Hi everyone, I have recently come across an operating stock car that I personally have not seen before--maybe you all can provide some info. It may be an odd variation or more likely just one I have not yet paid attention to :> It is the tuscan painted version, but on the "B" side (one door) the door is shut and cannot be opened. There are no dfoor guides, etc., and they have clearly never been attached, though you cna see where the rivets for the door guides WOULD have gone. I did nhot see this variation in the old Greenberg hardback...and I bought this from an individual who I have no reason to believe would have done anything to it (all the other cars were very clean and 100% original). Any help or suggestions would be appreciated-- Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX and Corpus Christi, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > Mark, > > It is a single layer of 1 inch foam board, except while the farm house is > located and that is a hill built up with a couple of more layers of foam. I > use white glue to glue the foam together, it works well and if you let it > dry for about 24 hours it is very hard to get it apart. I have also used > this technique to do a tunnel that can be seen at the site > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/ under AF demo 1. I used a > mixture of water putty and laytex paint (instead of water) to coat the foam > in place of plaster. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:21 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Styrofoam and track > > > > Jim what thickness of foam is this? Is it a single layer? > > > > Mark > > > > ==================================================== > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30310	From: Hall G	Date: 3/26/2004
Subject: Styrofoam and track

Perhaps this thread should in stead read foam board rather then styrofoam. As the blue and pink is different from the white styrofoam. I have used the blue board for my layout, laid some track last night with it. However you might note that this stuff amplifies the sounds more then if you use a cork or rubber or homosote etc. roadbed. Also to attach foam to foam you can use double sided carpet tape works very well. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30311	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: Styrofoam and track

In a message dated 03/26/2004 10:44:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, gh3716@... writes: Perhaps this thread should in stead read foam board rather then styrofoam. As the blue and pink is different from the white styrofoam. I have used the blue board for my layout, laid some track last night with it. However you might note that this stuff amplifies the sounds more then if you use a cork or rubber or homosote etc. roadbed..............................................***** **** If you overlay the foam board with some sill seal as track roadbed it is quiet as a church mouse. This process was shown in one of our videos. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30312	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3183851407&category=480&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Looks like this seller hit a jackpot of never played with AF. Nice large pics of many AF items. Now, about getting that copy machine for $20's working.... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30313	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Maine Central Switchers

Dear LeRoy, The SHS update is going out next week. In it, we will announce the 2004 Christmas MEC SW-9. It will come in the green/gold pine tree scheme (same colors as the MEC F30. Our switcher will have a wreath on the front grill and Santa's helpers as the crew. New features will be similar to the 2nd run of SW-1s and include: Golden White LEDs and a new brass bell (with the correct bell mount, the first two runs had the SW-1 thru SW-7 bell) also the re-tooled side louvers to more accurately represent the as delivered appearance. The cost is $199.95 AC/DC no sound or $289.95 LocoMatic or DCC sound. Units with sound will include horn (new horn sound for the LM), bell, operating rear and front headlight and the option to turn the interior cab light off and on so you can see the crew. As a bonus to our loyal MEC fans, a 2nd number MEC SW-9 (easy choice on numbers as the MEC only had 2) will be offered painted in the tuscan and cream (same color as B&M F-7), This will only be available with the normal crew and no wreath. Same price as the Green/gold units and can be ordered with or without sound. We know that some of our more recent customers may have missed out on the MEC Christmas caboose of years gone by, we will offer the current version of our MEC caboose (scheme III) with the same MR. and MRS. Claus on the rear platform. This will only be available with the 2004 MEC Christmas SW-9 as a set and increases the price by $69.95. These are very limited. We will update the website once the newsletter goes out. We are now taking deposts for a fall delivery. Best regards, Don LeRoy Price wrote: >Guys, I tried to order the Maine Central Switchers that will come in the 2 paint schemes for Christmas at a S Gauge Dealer but he didn't have any info on it. Could this be? > >LeRoy > > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30314	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?

Hi Clay, In my Greenberg guide (volume 1, fifth edision), It states that some of the doors were open, and some were glued on the B side.... That's on the number 736 stock car....... On the 976 stock car, it states that some of the glued doors came with door guides....... I also looked up the 660 baggage car (door at wrong end) while I had the book out.... To my surprise it does mention that only four of these cars are known to exist.... Just want to set the record straight....... Vin Clay Kinsner <clayk@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I have recently come across an operating stock car that I personally have not seen before--maybe you all can provide some info. It may be an odd variation or more likely just one I have not yet paid attention to :> It is the tuscan painted version, but on the "B" side (one door) the door is shut and cannot be opened. There are no dfoor guides, etc., and they have clearly never been attached, though you cna see where the rivets for the door guides WOULD have gone. I did nhot see this variation in the old Greenberg hardback...and I bought this from an individual who I have no reason to believe would have done anything to it (all the other cars were very clean and 100% original). Any help or suggestions would be appreciated-- Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX and Corpus Christi, TX - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30315	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: eBay item 3184447070 (Ends Mar-31-04 174625 PST) - American Flyer 6

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3184447070&category=480 IT"S BACK! I still don't see where in the Greenberg book he quotes on the master listing for items for AF on Ebay, only 4 known, as it is not in the item description but on the main listing in the small print. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30316	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?

Vin, I think the it is pure speculation about the 660. No one knows for sure about any production numbers, even mistakes. I have two set boxes for the #21085 set and know only of three others. I could say they only made 5 but I would probably be incorrect. These knid of items should be listed as NRS. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30317	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: cattle car & baggage car variation?

The 660 variation of this type is listed in my Greenberg Book Vol One as a NRS, but I don't see anywhere a listing for quantity made. I am glad the seller didn't just say "Only 4 Made" and nothing else. I will give him credit for saying according to Greenberg, but I don't see anywhere in my Greenberg Book that is mention. Once I find that listing, then this guy is not saying something off the top of his head. Too many people say things about trains in general and don't back it up. Example. Last week or so, someone who has AF on Ebay all the time had a Pike Master Jet Transport Flat, as he wrote that this version is harder to find than the that the Knuckle Jet Transport Flat. According to who? The seller? If this is the case, why does the Knuckle version go for about $80 more in the 2004 TM guide? I would think something that is harder to find would have more value. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <vinkoso@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cattle car & baggage car variation? > Vin, I think the it is pure speculation about the 660. No one knows for > sure about any production numbers, even mistakes. I have two set boxes for the > #21085 set and know only of three others. I could say they only made 5 but I > would probably be incorrect. These knid of items should be listed as NRS. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30318	From: Alex	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

Hi Michael: These sure look fine, but I don't see Pul-Mor wheel on the engine. Shouldn't that be there, or are these earlier components than the ones I have that do have Pul-Mor wheels? Regards, Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:01 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3183851407&category=480&s spagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Looks like this seller hit a jackpot of never played with AF. Nice large pics of many AF items. Now, about getting that copy machine for $20's working.... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30319	From: keefer1	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

How about the black and white SF decal under the cab window? Is that original?I did see a slider on the 470 truck, but no pulmor on the side of the slider? Keith --- Alex <alexmm@...> wrote: > Hi Michael: > > These sure look fine, but I don't see Pul-Mor wheel > on the engine. Shouldn't > that be there, or are these earlier components than > the ones I have that do > have Pul-Mor wheels? > > Regards, Alex in Maine .-.-. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Lueck > [mailto:pianoman@...] > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:01 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] 4713 and other AF doesn't come > much better > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30320	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Layout software?

Thanks for all the help on the ideas for the tables. Now what can you suggest for software to make the layout? I don't think there is anything for Macs, but I do have PC emulator software! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30321	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/27/2004
Subject: Software

Gary, Go back through the correspondence of late December and early January. Bruce got some software for Christmas and felt it was pretty good. Turbo Cad used to have some 2D software that you could down load a demo for free. Also you might find someone that has a copy of the Intellicad download from about a year ago, If you are just drawing a layout plan with no other details, Autosketch, Quickcad or something of this nature will get you where you want to be. It will just take a little longer to do it. And there are no full 3D models. Beyond that AutoCad, Solid Works, ProE and Catia have 3D modeling capabilities, but you will have to create the libraries. Euell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30322	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: misleading or misfortune

the fpor sale item is straightened out with repro cosmetic items .such as the lanterns on the american flyer hand cars or the fences on the work caboose or the decals on the silver bullet and whatever. next the owner or dealer advertises it without disclosure or pointing out about the repro cosmetic parts to the prospective new ownwer. even though the T.C.A.policy in membership requires the disclosure to be given [stated]on the train item , but its not there or is the specific of the piece made aware to the new owner purposefully to be upfront by the owner is that deed/action enuf to file a claim of distastisfaction for full refund and flie a complaint for disciplinary action by the T.C.A. upon. DOES THE T.C.A. ENFORCE ITS POLICY !?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30323	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: Layout software?

Hi, I'm using RR-Track Version 4.01 from R & S Enterprises. Nice program using a CAD type interface. http://www.rrtrack.com Good luck, Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30324	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: How about the black and white SF decal under the cab window? Is that original?I did see a slider on the 470 truck, but no pulmor on the side of the slider? Keith Keith, The set appears to from 1954, set No. K5375W. While the black & white SF emblems aren't shown in 1954, they were used in 1955 and later. It might have a late production set because it also has Built by Gilbert which again wasn't shown until 1955. None of the 1954 diesls were cataloged with Pull-Mor so that would explain it missing from the photos. It is a very clean set. Outside of a little rust and small pieces of decal missing, it's not likely you'll find a much nicer set. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30325	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

I don't know, the 470 front truck left rear wheel looks pullmore to me. Curious that the rear truck does not seem to have pullmore though... Walt Danylak wrote: > None of the 1954 diesls were >cataloged with Pull-Mor so that would explain it missing from the >photos. It is a very clean set. Outside of a little rust and small >pieces of decal missing, it's not likely you'll find a much nicer set. >Walt > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30326	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

Actually, from the 1955 catalog, it does mention pullmore wheels... http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1955Catalog/AF_1955_catalog_page18.htm $74.95 for this set in 1955. How much would it cost in 2004 dollars? Flyonel would get maybe $800 or so for this set if they made it now, and they would make it with can motors, which are much less expensive to use than the orginal Gilbert open frame motors. I have to admit, this auction has me drueling a bit...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30327	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30328	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

The set is # 5580, probably late 1955.  Looking at the set box # B-1N836.  That box was used for sets 5580H & 5685RH. Those not familiar with how to date a set box, under the Mfg. circle there should be a two digit date, i.e. 55 with black dots to either side of the date.  These dots will give you the month the box or set was mfg.  5 dots would be May, 1955.  There are pull-mors on one corner of each power truck. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30329	From: jt12313	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: What to use for a kitbashed diesel frame/chassis?

Hello all, I'm working on building a S chassis for a Marx E/F unit to go with my K-line S collection. Yesterday I made a mock-up chassis out of cardboard and used two small leftovers of oak flooring cut to the approximate dimensions of American models GP-7 (2.5X1.5X.75) trucks to figure how it will sit/ride compared to a K-line S boxcar. The thought I had while figuring was... what material to use for the chassis. Plastic, brass, steel? Any ideas? Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30330	From: jt12313	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: S-Gaugian subscription price

I have a S-Gaugian subscription blank that I keep meaning to send in but, well, you know something always comes up. What are their rates? Still $32.00? Oh while I am at it, anyone have any back issues cheap? no one around here sells it and I only seem to buy loose copies when I am in Denver... once every two years or so. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30331	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Software and Macintosh!

A small victory for those that are using Macs. I found a shareware program that you can use to build your layouts, the bad news is I haven't found any presets for S-gauge. They do have an e-mail and seem to be very receptive to suggestions. Any others out there willing to join me in suggesting S-gauge as part of there program? The company website is: http://www.railmodeller.de/ Their e-mail is: contact@... Thanks! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30332	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 28, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30333	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@c...> wrote: > > Keith, > The set appears to from 1954, set No. K5375W. While the black & white > SF emblems aren't shown in 1954, they were used in 1955 and later. It > might have a late production set because it also has Built by Gilbert > which again wasn't shown until 1955. None of the 1954 diesls were > cataloged with Pull-Mor so that would explain it missing from the > photos. It is a very clean set. Outside of a little rust and small > pieces of decal missing, it's not likely you'll find a much nicer set. > Walt I think the equipment is from 1955 (if you look closely, the wrapper for the diesel has the word "roar" on it--diesel roar didn't debut until 1955). The only thing about this set that appears incorrect for 1955 is the fact that there is a coach and a dome car in the consist instead of two domes as shown in the catalog. The fact that there is no set number identification on the box suggests that this may be an uncatalogued set from 1955 or who knows, the set may have been put together by someone who didn't realize it should have come with two domes. The powered PA looks like it has pullmors wheels to me. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30334	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 3/28/2004
Subject: Re: 4713 and other AF doesn't come much better

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Flyvw64@a... wrote: The set is # 5580, probably late 1955.  Looking at the set box # B- 1N836. That box was used for sets 5580H & 5685RH. Those not familiar with how to date a set box, under the Mfg. circle there should be a two digit date, i.e. 55 with black dots to either side of the date.  These dots will give you the month the box or set was mfg. 5 dots would be May, 1955. There are pull-mors on one corner of each power truck. Harwood Owings After reading Harwood's post I think he is correct in saying it is set 5580, even though set 5580 should have 2 domes and no coach. Another item I noticed is that one of the locomotive wrappers has the word ROAR, indicating Diesel Roar. Diesel Roar was introduced in 1955 so that along with Harwood's post pretty much settles the question. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30335	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: SHS Wheel Sets and Couplers For Sale

Hi Groups, I am selling the following items... preferrably all as a lot (I'll cover shipping if you buy the lot.) : FIVE SETS (20 individual) of SHS (Hi-Rail / Flyer) wheels ----------------------- $15.00 ONE SET (4 individual) of SHS SW-1 (Hi-Rail / Flyer) geared wheels --------$12.00 5 PAIRS (20 individual) SHS Freight Car (Flyer) Couplers ----------------------- $10.00 1 PAIR (2 individual) SHS SW-1 Locomotive (Flyer) Couplers ----------------- $ 2.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUB-TOTAL $39.00 Shipping $ 3.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL (for the lot) $42.00 If interested, please contact me off-list : RailScaler@... Thanks. John Degnan RailScaler@... Visit My Web Site : John's World on the Web http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30336	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention

Hi Folks I just got a call from Tami Jo Nix, This lady is one of the folks working on the 2004 TTOS Convention at Fresno, Ca. This August 3-7. Tami gave me some information to share with you folks. First they will have two S gauge layouts at the convention Second they have S dealers coming but are looking for more. Third they will have two S cars for the convention, one is a BNSF Reefer with an end of train device The second car is a Smoky the Bear car. You can check them out at http://www.ttos.org/products.htm At their website http://www.ttos.org/conventions.htm the should have their registration forms posted within a week. Dealers you can contact Tami at tamiJo@... John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30337	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Front coupler for AM steam engine

I mounted an AM snaplock coupler with a single screw and no draft gear box.. I think it went into an existing hole. It really looks quite good There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <carl4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine > Could a knuckle coupler be mounted on the front of a american flyer > plastic steam engine? If so, how would I do it? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30338	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine

I mounted an AM snaplock coupler with a single screw and no draft gear box.. I think it went into an existing hole. It really looks quite good There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "trainman634" <carl4260@...> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine > I mounted an AM snaplock coupler with a single screw and no draft gear box.. > I think it went into an existing hole. It really looks quite good > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trainman634" <carl4260@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:24 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine > > > > Could a knuckle coupler be mounted on the front of a american flyer > > plastic steam engine? If so, how would I do it? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30339	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: S/O gauge cork roadbed

I have three boxes of 25 each pieces of cork roadbed for sale. This is new unused in original boxes. It is very heavy, so UPS ground is the only practical way to ship it. It retails for $32 a box and I bought it for $29.95 per box. I need space in the shop so I will sell the whole lot to the first person that writes for $45 plus shipping. This is enough roadbed for 225 feet of track. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30340	From: Tim	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Work Caboose Project

Hi Guys, I completed a project today. I wanted to see if I could produce a fairly close fake of the Gilbert work caboose. I used an old plastic flatcar, chopped up an old junker caboose, styrene slats for the fence and a piece of wood for the tool box. I need to number it yet. The colors are Floquil Tuscan, Railbox Yellow and Krylon (safe for plastics) Primer. Cutting up the old caboose by hand was easy enough with a coping saw. I used some modeler's putty and primer to make the seam go away. You can find it in the Photo section for Tim Brown, or click on this link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.dnm=Work+Caboose.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Tim%2bBrown%2bProjects%26.src=gr%26.view=t Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30341	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Work Caboose Project

Hi Tim, Not too shabby!! Better than I could ever do! Keep up the good work! Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30342	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Re: Work Caboose Project

Remember, Barb is on the list too! And she knows her AF! Nice looking caboose! So do you need a job with Lionel, to them straight on their AF! O:)! So it should be - Hi Gal and Guys, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Work Caboose Project > Hi Guys, > > I completed a project today. I wanted to see if I could produce a fairly close fake of the Gilbert work caboose. I used an old plastic flatcar, chopped up an old junker caboose, styrene slats for the fence and a piece of wood for the tool box. I need to number it yet. The colors are Floquil Tuscan, Railbox Yellow and Krylon (safe for plastics) Primer. Cutting up the old caboose by hand was easy enough with a coping saw. I used some modeler's putty and primer to make the seam go away. You can find it in the Photo section for Tim Brown, or click on this link: > > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.dnm=Work+Caboose.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Tim%2bBrown%2bProjects%26.src=gr%26.view=t > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30343	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 3/29/2004
Subject: Playground Slide

Greetings, Tried to build a slide tonight for the schoolhouse playground. Didn't have a lot of success so, does anyone know of a way to build one or is one available commercially? Also, have an original Plasticville tractor (green), disk ((yellow), and wagon (yellow) for sale. If interested, please contact me off-list. Thanks for any thoughts on the slide and best wishes to all! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Plasticville Bank needed.

I haven't checked yet to see if Bachmann is offering newer banks. Anyone have an older one they don't need? Doesn't have to be perfect. Can even be glued. Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30345	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Easter Layout?? Oops!!

OK,...I got sidetracked!! Sunday night after chat, I started foolin' around with a 20's-30's type layout. Been rounding up some vehicles from my collection. Dug out some of my ERTL "Cow Town" buildings. The movie, "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?", is one of my favorites (as well as the soundtrack!), and have been wanting to do a small layout from that era. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46 My eight year old daughter will help me set up the Easter layout, and then back to my "old timey" layout! Rick "My hair!!" Evans. (if ya saw the movie, you'll get that!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30346	From: polpolk9	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: WHERE have allTHE PIECES GONE

FOUND WHATS LEFT OF a,c.gilberts famous erectorsets piled over in the corner. THE old familiar metal red cases. I had plans to retrofit erach one with a selection of post war FLYER. IN the big one it was perfect for a aluminum passenger outfit ulled by a steamer.Have yet to get around to it. WHEn could never happen. SO, the space is a vip project now! sell each for $12.95 . or any two for $22.- and will throw in NEW ENGLAND SEAcoast AIR. each has a remark of one thing or another such as ;...scratches...missiing a clasp.. or just usual wear& age looks. after all these have been around since the U.S.A. was the U.S.A...!! dont hesitate call asap 781 662-6450 enjoy spring --JAY.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30347	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Plasticville Bank needed.

Rick... I think I saw them at the Hobby Shop yesterday... look for the new issues... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "Plasticville list" <Plasticville@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "toytrains" <toytrains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Bank needed. > I haven't checked yet to see if Bachmann is offering newer banks. Anyone have > an older one they don't need? Doesn't have to be perfect. Can even be glued. > > Thanks, > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30348	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Timonuim MD Train Show

Hi Folks The NASG switching layout will be setup at Howard Zane's Timonuim, Md. Train Show this weekend. For more info check out their website. http://www.gsmts.com/a_datesplaces.html John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30349	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2231

Digging thru my junk I found 4 TRACKMASTER S gauge tinplate ( brass rail )switch kits that I purchased in the "50s", and never used them, now I have all Flyer electric switches on my layout. contact my off line if anyone has any interest in them. I will trade for flyer junk diesel parts. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30350	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Timonuim MD Train Show

We'll be there too! Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: John A Foley [mailto:john.foley16@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Timonuim MD Train Show Hi Folks The NASG switching layout will be setup at Howard Zane's Timonuim, Md. Train Show this weekend. For more info check out their website. http://www.gsmts.com/a_datesplaces.html John Foley NASG Promotions S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30351	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: 20'-30's pick-ups

To Roy and all interested,.... As far as the 20's & 30's... ...most of my cars are made by Racing Champions, trucks are from Matchbox & Lledo. I have ONE pick-up from RC that is a '35 Ford. I'd like to find more! Johnny Lightening put out a "surfing" series and had a few Model "A" type pick-ups, I have a few that I might take off the 'tampos' and remove the surf boards, and make 'em look old, dirty and rusty. Oh, and the '35 blue tow truck I have is a "Route 66" from K-Mart, made by Ertl I believe. I would like to know of other sources for cars and trucks from this era. Most of my trucks were bought at K-marts, etc. Some of my trucks came from eBay. I love the Matchbox Model "A"s and "T"s !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30352	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: John Huster

Does anyone know if John Huster is away or ill. I have been trying to reach him thru e-mail concerning an e-bay purchase with no results???? If someone has his phone number that would help. Thanks, Al P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30353	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: John Huster

I have been attempting to contact John Huster regarding an e-bay purchase with negative results. Does anyone know his phone number or if he is ill or away? Is he a member of this list? Is his e-mail address: john@... ? Any help would be appreciated. HELP Al P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30354	From: beebear	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Track Cleaning Fluid

Does anyone know what is in track cleaning fluid or what you can use to clean AF track to keep it from rusting? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30355	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: AF Rubber Roadbed

I just got tons of curved roadbed, its all faded. How can I restore it??? A friend gave it to me, he tried cleaning it with bleach. So, that's all it got faded. Any ideas???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30356	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: AF Rubber Roadbed

Hi, Go to the nearest autoparts discount house and purchase a can of Tire Black. It is a very thin, watery product that has some blackening ingrediants and does wonders on old rubber products. I used to restore antique automobiles and I used this on all the rubber hoses, weatherstrip, etc and it makes it look like new! It's cheap and comes in a pint can. Will last forever! Good luck, Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30357	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: AF Rubber Road Bed

I use a solvent to remove any old layout paint then put the road bed in the dish washer. It comes out clean and pliable, ready for painting. I then paint the road bed machine gray and paint the ties flat black. You can see the final product at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun56 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30358	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD

News flash, The time has come that all volumes (7) of the "S-Gauge Model Railroading" series are now available on DVD. Very good news is that they are available as individual ($15) or dual volumes such as 1&2, 3&4, etc., at $22.50. We can even custom make them with any two volumes 1 through 7. Same pricing applies. All prices include shipping. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30359	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: Easter Layout?? Oops!!

Looks great, Rick. Be sure to post pix of the Easter layout you were SUPPOSED to be working on! Dick Aurora, OH At 04:13 AM 3/30/2004, Rick Evans wrote: >OK,...I got sidetracked!! Sunday night after chat, I started >foolin' around with a >20's-30's type layout. Been rounding up some vehicles from my collection. >Dug out some of >my ERTL "Cow Town" buildings. > >The movie, "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?", is one of my favorites (as well >as the soundtrack!), >and have been wanting to do a small layout from that era. >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46 > >My eight year old daughter will help me set up the Easter layout, and then >back to my "old timey" layout! > >Rick "My hair!!" Evans. >(if ya saw the movie, you'll get that!) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30360	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD

When will the boxed, uncut, collector editions be available? Also, how about the bloopers, special effects and trailers? LOL Videos are great! Keep up the good work! Even thinking of replacing my well watched VHS versions with the DVDs. (So I guess I may just want the collectors set!) Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -----Original Message----- From: SnSTrains@... Sent: Mar 30, 2004 1:28 PM To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com, nasgdispatch@... Subject: [S-Trains] S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD News flash, The time has come that all volumes (7) of the "S-Gauge Model Railroading" series are now available on DVD. Very good news is that they are available as individual ($15) or dual volumes such as 1&2, 3&4, etc., at $22.50. We can even custom make them with any two volumes 1 through 7. Same pricing applies. All prices include shipping. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30361	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: TTOS Convention In Fresno, Ca. August 3 - 7

In responding to the letter that I had seen on the List and NASG Digest about the Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) Convention being a 99% O-Gauge folk. That is not necessarily True!!! As the President of The Sacramento Valley Division and a avid S Gauger and American Flyer Collector and Operator. I have alot of Friends and Members that are S Gauge'rs. The TTOS club is not about O-Gauge folks, It's about being true Toy Train Operator's (AF)or whatever! And taking it out to the public for thier education and enjoyment. Myself I will be attending the Convention, and would be Delighted to see more of the Folk's I enjoy off the S list and Digest there in attendance... Sincerely, Jeff S...... Sacramento Valley Division TTOS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30362	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: 326 Vacuum CONTROLLER

Does anyone know if the vacuum Tube controller for the b326 work for any of the other whistle engines? Thanks in advance, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Ebay 21130

You may remember that I had a bad experience on Ebay with a purchased of a 21130 AF steam engine. I do search by the number "21130" on ebay from time to time to see what is out there and two items with the number 21130 came up on Ebay. I don't think either of these two items are what I had in mind! From one extreme to the other! I could come up with a few good lines, as you all probably could too, but I will pass on that. Don't think either item will be at York! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30364	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys and Gals.... I guess at 66 I am way over the hill... two weeks ago, while at an Airshow, and chatting with other Pilots I commented...."I know I am getting old when I go into Museums and see the Cubs, Champs, Great lakes, Stearmans, Etc. that I flew on display" another said he felt the same way too.... Well tonight DID IT!!!!!!... I was looking at A piece of Glass in the Glass studio...(I am taking classes on Blowing Glass)... I commented to A YOUNG GIRL there that I had a similar one but in a yellowish orange color with trim... And I saw one exactly like it on an episode of Star Trek....... She said..."What's Star Trek"... O U C H !!! Bob RCON7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30365	From: David Engle	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

She probably does not have TV, or at least cable TV--we have a channel that seems to be nothing but Star Trek; of course, mpost people think TV is just a wasteland anyway. -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:53 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! Guys and Gals.... I guess at 66 I am way over the hill... two weeks ago, while at an Airshow, and chatting with other Pilots I commented...."I know I am getting old when I go into Museums and see the Cubs, Champs, Great lakes, Stearmans, Etc. that I flew on display" another said he felt the same way too.... Well tonight DID IT!!!!!!... I was looking at A piece of Glass in the Glass studio...(I am taking classes on Blowing Glass)... I commented to A YOUNG GIRL there that I had a similar one but in a yellowish orange color with trim... And I saw one exactly like it on an episode of Star Trek....... She said..."What's Star Trek"... O U C H !!! Bob RCON7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30366	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob, Don't feel too old, as a folk singer (plug for www.davidmallett.com) I follow, has a line in one of his songs and somebody wrote on his Yahoo group that he wanted to know what the S.O. station was in the song! S. O. is ESSO of course! LOL! Oh well! Read the lyrics on the LP/CD next time! Maybe Dave should of sang about the Sinclair, the Cities Service, the Flying A, the American and what ever else out there is gone, in the gas station business and no self serve then either! And, Bob, at least you remember the gals on this group this time, as we do know Barb is out there on the list, right Barb! Now, I did it, she will now email me again to get that layout started! Just kidding Barb, your emails are always welcome, no matter what they are about! York in 3 weeks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! > Guys and Gals.... I guess at 66 I am way over the hill... two weeks ago, while at an Airshow, and chatting with other Pilots I commented...."I know I am getting old when I go into Museums and see the Cubs, Champs, Great lakes, Stearmans, Etc. that I flew on display" another said he felt the same way too.... Well tonight DID IT!!!!!!... I was looking at A piece of Glass in the Glass studio...(I am taking classes on Blowing Glass)... I commented to A YOUNG GIRL there that I had a similar one but in a yellowish orange color with trim... And I saw one exactly like it on an episode of Star Trek....... She said..."What's Star Trek"... O U C H !!! > Bob RCON7 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30367	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm only 17 and I already see Happy toys from my childhood (late 80's) at the Museum of Science and Industry. Don't feel too bad... -Michael Chicago, IL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30368	From: Tim	Date: 3/30/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob, You're not out of it, she is. Someone would have to live in a cave or a vacuum to not know what Star Trek is (or was). I meet young people all the time who aren't as hip to music, technology or current evants as I am. I'm not bragging, it's just that as complex as life is, no one can be "into" everything. She just wasn't "into" it. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! Guys and Gals.... I guess at 66 I am way over the hill... two weeks ago, while at an Airshow, and chatting with other Pilots I commented...."I know I am getting old when I go into Museums and see the Cubs, Champs, Great lakes, Stearmans, Etc. that I flew on display" another said he felt the same way too.... Well tonight DID IT!!!!!!... I was looking at A piece of Glass in the Glass studio...(I am taking classes on Blowing Glass)... I commented to A YOUNG GIRL there that I had a similar one but in a yellowish orange color with trim... And I saw one exactly like it on an episode of Star Trek....... She said..."What's Star Trek"... O U C H !!! Bob RCON7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30369	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Model Tech Industries S-Scale items

Hi S-fans; Here is a reply I received from Model Tech Industries regarding their participation in S-Scale. Am I correct in thinking this is a new supplier for us? Cheers, Roy Inman ---------- > From: James Bester <mtsts@...> > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:10:13 +0000 > To: rinphoto@... > Subject: RE: S scale > > Hello; > we are currently working on 3D Background Industrial factories, our > Industrial Crane Car and our Small town station kit in S > Scale...........coming soon, > > james > MTS > > >> From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> >> To: mtsts@... >> Subject: S scale >> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:37:32 -0600 >> >> Hi MT, >> Do you offer any kits in S scale/ >> Cheers :) >> Roy Inman > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30370	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Atlas O Turntable

I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it to S, but have run into a problem. Perhaps someone has a solution. I posted photos on Paul's photo gallery at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 Actually, AF engines look pretty good on it but.... The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far apart to line up with my roundhouse. The only way I see to fix it (short of messing with the electronics) would be to put the TT at least 30" away and snake the track to the stalls - would look rather stupid! Am I missing something, or do I sell the TT before I screw it up? Thanks as always for any help. Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30371	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

uuuaaa, the old Disney classic "Out Of Scale" comes to mind. Ouch, S and O look pretty different in this light. If it were me I'd be returning that item and looking into S options. Didn't someone mention on this list a while ago a S turntable option that would hold a Northern? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30372	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Turn Table

What diameter does the turn table need to be? Two pieces of AF track is 20 inches. Would this be the workable or correct legth for a turn table? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30373	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table

The Portlines TT I have is 22", which will handle the Northern - 20" would really tight, but would handle a Hudson! The Atlas table is 24". Dick At 09:40 AM 3/31/2004, A.E. Johnson wrote: >What diameter does the turn table need to be? Two pieces of AF track is 20 >inches. Would this be the workable or correct legth for a turn table? > >bigfoot > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30374	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: New email address for Chuck and Betty Smith

Our new address is cesmith@... There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30375	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike !!!!!!! York in 2 weeks not 3. Gosh, don't miss it!! And get that layout started ...:-) Barb mlmarmer wrote: > Bob, > > Don't feel too old, as a folk singer (plug for www.davidmallett.com) I > follow, has a line in one of his songs and somebody wrote on his Yahoo group > that he wanted to know what the S.O. station was in the song! > > S. O. is ESSO of course! LOL! Oh well! Read the lyrics on the LP/CD next > time! > > Maybe Dave should of sang about the Sinclair, the Cities Service, the Flying > A, the American and what ever else out there is gone, in the gas station > business and no self serve then either! > > And, Bob, at least you remember the gals on this group this time, as we do > know Barb is out there on the list, right Barb! Now, I did it, she will now > email me again to get that layout started! Just kidding Barb, your emails > are always welcome, no matter what they are about! York in 3 weeks! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Guys and Gals.... I guess at 66 I am way over the hill... two weeks ago, > while at an Airshow, and chatting with other Pilots I commented...."I know I > am getting old when I go into Museums and see the Cubs, Champs, Great lakes, > Stearmans, Etc. that I flew on display" another said he felt the same way > too.... Well tonight DID IT!!!!!!... I was looking at A piece of Glass in > the Glass studio...(I am taking classes on Blowing Glass)... I commented to > A YOUNG GIRL there that I had a similar one but in a yellowish orange color > with trim... And I saw one exactly like it on an episode of Star Trek....... > She said..."What's Star Trek"... O U C H !!! > > Bob RCON7 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30376	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table

Hi All, The diameter of my TT is 22" ...Barb "A.E. Johnson" wrote: > What diameter does the turn table need to be? Two pieces of AF track is 20 inches. Would this be the workable or correct legth for a turn table? > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30377	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

Hi Dick, Here's what I did when I had a similar problem. I used Gargraves S flex track. I lined it up in the 8 bays of my roundhouse and then curved the ends going to the turntable to meet the TT at the designated spot. Works like a champ and I only had to flex them a little bit. Good luck ... Barb. Dick Kuepper wrote: > I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it to S, > but have run into a problem. Perhaps someone has a solution. I posted > photos on Paul's photo gallery at > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 Actually, AF engines look > pretty good on it but.... > > The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far apart to > line up with my roundhouse. The only way I see to fix it (short of messing > with the electronics) would be to put the TT at least 30" away and snake > the track to the stalls - would look rather stupid! Am I missing > something, or do I sell the TT before I screw it up? > Thanks as always for any help. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30378	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Model Railroading Videos on DVD

When will the boxed, uncut, collector editions be available? Also, how about the bloopers, special effects and trailers? LOL Videos are great! Keep up the good work! Even thinking of replacing my well watched VHS versions with the DVDs. (So I guess I may just want the collectors set!) Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Good Idea Roger. We will make a boxed (cardboard recycled) collector edition (includes a hand written note of apology) set of 7 volumes for only $19.95 plus $119.95 shipping and handling. Handling those things give me the creeps, but no one else will do it. My time has got to be worth something. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30379	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: 30's Towtrucks on eBay

For those interested---one hour left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3597798715&category=2507 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30380	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: 20's & 30's trucks on eBay

To Roy and all interested in finding older trucks..... ...I just did a search on eBay in "Toy & Hobbies", I typed in Matchbox and found quite a few trucks from that era. Also, type in Days Gone or just Lledo, quite a few items will show! Gads, I can't bid on them all! Jump on in!!! The bidding is fine!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30381	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The new list for April (some really neat stuff!) is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30382	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Prewar American Flyer Trains For Sale

Forgot to tell you that the PREWAR Page has been resurrected! Click on this: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30383	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Turntable

Sounds like 22 inches is about the bare minimum and 24 to 25 inches is the ideal. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30384	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: NEW GREAT IDEA..... CONTEST.....

WHY DON'T WE HAVE A CONTEST FROM TIME 2 TIME... BARB WAS FIRST WITH THE SAME ANSWER I WAS GOING TO POST.... SO I WILL GO FIRST.... THE PRIZE A 24125 BETHLEHEM STEEL GONDOLA .. HAS ALL STEPS.... ITS VG TO E... NO CHIPS...SOME DUST... YOUR COST.... THE FIRST CORRECT ANSWER.... AND YOUR ADDRESS... I PAY POSTAGE 2..... NOW FOR THE QUESTION.... WILL POST IT TONIGHT ABOUT AFTER DARK!!!!!!! SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN......... HA HA HA BOB RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30385	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

It certainly makes you see the passage of time when things we grew up with are now antiques. This young man has the right perspective! We are all getting older--and at the same speed. Some just got an earlier start. Hey, I recently found my slide rule--talk about obsolete! (Of course it can be used as a straight edge.) Life is good. :-) Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:09:12 EST > From: Spots350SL@... >Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! > >I'm only 17 and I already see Happy toys from my childhood (late 80's) at the >Museum of Science and Industry. Don't feel too bad... > >-Michael >Chicago, IL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30386	From: waldootten	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

I bought one and cut a proper-sized hole in the 1/2-inch Hososote I have on top of plywood and dropped it right in, as it is set to the height of 3-rail track on 1/4-inch roadbed. I have one of Doug's roundhouses, too, plus two or three extra bays and I plan to run the locos off the TT onto AM turnouts and then into the roundhouse. One turnout for two adjacent bays. Using AM flextrack from the turnouts should get the locos into the roundhouse with only a slight bend and it won't need to be 30 inches away. Problem with the Atlas O TT that needed to be solved was its width (about 26 inches) and how to line up the track with the TT, as you've found. One of the benefits of the Atlas O TT is that it has a built-in automatic indexing system and everyone who reviewed it said it was the best indexing system they've ever seen (especially for under $150). The original roundhouse at Steamtown is a good 90 to 120 feet (my guesstimate) from the TT. I've uploaded a couple photos to Phil K's trains in the albums on this site so you can see it. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30387	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Fluid

John, Not sure of the ingredients in track cleaning fluid. I use 91% Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol for cleaning track (and other electrical components), it's inexpensive and does a great job. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@b...> wrote: > Does anyone know what is in track cleaning fluid or what you can use to > clean AF track to keep it > from rusting? > > Thanks > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30388	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!

I am having trouble thinking of a FLYER QUESTION... So here is a train related puzzle.............. Where will you find the following saying!!!!! TRAIN WRECKS, FEW REASON CLEAR FIREMAN NEVER, HUGS THE ENGINEER EARILEST ANSWER GETS THE CAR......... RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30389	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: CONTEST WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually it is on the signs.. TRAIN WRECKS FEW REASON CLEAR FIREMAN NEVER HUGS THE ENGINEER BURMA SHAVE RIGHT ON........ Send me your address so I can get it in the mail.. Bob OK.... WHO IS NEXT!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Spots350SL@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (no subject) the Burma-Shave jingles? -Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30390	From: Tim	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!

Burma Shave jingle. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!! I am having trouble thinking of a FLYER QUESTION... So here is a train related puzzle.............. Where will you find the following saying!!!!! TRAIN WRECKS, FEW REASON CLEAR FIREMAN NEVER, HUGS THE ENGINEER EARILEST ANSWER GETS THE CAR......... RCON7 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30391	From: Tim	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Too long

It took too long for my guess to go through the server. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30392	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: FW: S scale

Hi S folks; Here is my last response from James at MTS. Sounds like he is receptive to producing more in S, depending upon our collective response. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: James Bester <mtsts@...> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:22:24 +0000 > To: rinphoto@... > Subject: Re: S scale > > Hello; > that is fine.........we hope to have some response to the items we are > working on so as to do > more of our line in the future!! > > Pics of the items we are working on are on the website in other scales to > view as well, > > thanks again, > James > MTS > > >> From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> >> To: James Bester <mtsts@...> >> Subject: Re: S scale >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:22:15 -0600 >> >> >> Thanks, James for the info; >> With your permission, I would like to forward this to the S-Scale and >> S-Trains lists. >> And that is good news, indeed! >> Roy Inman >> >> on 3/31/04 7:10 AM, James Bester at mtsts@... wrote: >>> Hello; >>> we are currently working on 3D Background Industrial factories, our >>> Industrial Crane Car and our Small town station kit in S >>> Scale...........coming soon, >>> >>> james >>> MTS >>> >>> >>>> From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> >>>> To: mtsts@... >>>> Subject: S scale >>>> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:37:32 -0600 >>>> >>>> Hi MT, >>>> Do you offer any kits in S scale/ >>>> Cheers :) >>>> Roy Inman >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! >>> http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and > safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30393	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

LANCE..... Sliderules..... I have one of these.... taught myself TRIG with it.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2995387191&category=3141& sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Guess I have another e-bay item....... RCON7 BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30394	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

Dick wrote: >I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it >to S, but have run into a problem. I posted photos on Paul's photo >gallery at >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 >The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far >apart to line up with my roundhouse. > do I sell the TT before I screw it up? From the photo, it would seem that the real problem isn't the turntable, but the roundhouse itself. There aren't enough degrees of arc between the stalls to enable them to line up with ANY turntable center that is a practical distance from the roundhouse. Indexing issues aside, even if you put the roundhouse far enough from the turntable center to align with the TT center, by the time you run tracks from the RH to the edge of the TT the rails of each track would overlap. Big mess. Since the problem is the RH, getting another TT won't help. It would seem the RH is what you need to modify or replace. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30395	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

Hello Dick.....looks like the roundhouse is missing a rear wall section, that might increase the angle of the walls more inline with the turntable. I thought at first, that you also had an Atlas roundhouse kit and were having trouble. I would look into modifying the Portlines roundhouse or else get the Atlas one. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas O Turntable > I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it to S, > but have run into a problem. Perhaps someone has a solution. I posted > photos on Paul's photo gallery at > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 Actually, AF engines look > pretty good on it but.... > > The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far apart to > line up with my roundhouse. The only way I see to fix it (short of messing > with the electronics) would be to put the TT at least 30" away and snake > the track to the stalls - would look rather stupid! Am I missing > something, or do I sell the TT before I screw it up? > Thanks as always for any help. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30396	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/31/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table

Gentlemen....If I'm not mistaken, it is not the length of the table that is the issue, but the spacing of the track centres coming off the turntable, with relation to the track centres to the roundhouse. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...>; "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turn Table > The Portlines TT I have is 22", which will handle the Northern - 20" would > really tight, but would handle a Hudson! The Atlas table is 24". > > Dick > > At 09:40 AM 3/31/2004, A.E. Johnson wrote: > >What diameter does the turn table need to be? Two pieces of AF track is 20 > >inches. Would this be the workable or correct legth for a turn table? > > > >bigfoot > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30397	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Lledo "Days Gone" trucks

I didn't mention it before, so for those that don't know,....that some "Days Gone" vehicles (from the 80's I think)...come with five or so people (close to "S") that can be painted. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46 Rick "I need more vehicles like a hole in the head" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30398	From: beebear	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Just looking

I was wondering if anyone had a real junker Baldwin engine. I don't care how it looks as long as it has the trucks, wheels and motor. I don't even care if the motor works or not. I'm thinking of scratch building a small diesel switch engine like the one shown below. If the picture doesn't show up, let me know and I can send it to you directly Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30399	From: trainman634	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: MRC Power Command 9500

Has anyone on this forum used a MRC Power Command 9500 power pack to run American Flyer engines converted to run on direct current? What power pack do you use to operate your American Flyer engines that are converted to DC?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30400	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Just looking

Hi John, I have a 355 switcher with 2 CNW Shells. It has the trucks and frame and I think the reverse unit. Personally, I would use a new retrofit motor from SNS. Rthen it would run when you were finished.Let me know if interested. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30401	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

The problem with trying to modify the turn-table's electronics and mechanics is that you're gonna end up having to do some pretty involved cosmetic work to the... (for lack of a better word) "blocks" between the track slots; they're gonna have to be shaved off. So I wouldn't recommend that approach. The alternatives, however, aren't much better... : 1. You'll have to scratch-build a roundhouse to fit the track angles coming off the turn-table. Or... 2. I faced this same trouble on the HO layout I've been toying with off-and-on, and I solved the trouble by putting a turnout immediately off the turn-table. See photos of it at the links below (The last 4 images are rather large, so be patient.) : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/layout00.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/layout04.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/MyLayout.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/MyLayout00.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/MyLayout01.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/MyLayout02.jpg I built wall-maouted snow-sheds and mounted them to the side of the roundhouse to cover the two tracks skirting the roundhouse walls. See the link below for the snowshed drawing : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/shedidea.gif Anyways... there's my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps. John Degnan RailScaler@... Visit My Web Site : John's World on the Web http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas O Turntable > I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it to S, > but have run into a problem. Perhaps someone has a solution. I posted > photos on Paul's photo gallery at > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 Actually, AF engines look > pretty good on it but.... > > The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far apart to > line up with my roundhouse. The only way I see to fix it (short of messing > with the electronics) would be to put the TT at least 30" away and snake > the track to the stalls - would look rather stupid! Am I missing > something, or do I sell the TT before I screw it up? > Thanks as always for any help. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30402	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: MRC Power Command 9500

Trainman634 I use a MRC Power Command 9500 on my display layout and have had good luck with it running both converted DC engines and the universal AC/DC engines. There is normally one engine running for about 4-5 hours at a show. I rotate engines but not the power pack. A separate AC transformer is used for the accessories. It can be seen in the photo at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun70/DSCN0131 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MRC Power Command 9500 > Has anyone on this forum used a MRC Power Command 9500 power pack to > run American Flyer engines converted to run on direct current? What > power pack do you use to operate your American Flyer engines that are > converted to DC? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30403	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:09:01 -0700, Kielek Family wrote: >If I'm not mistaken, it is not the length of the table that is >the issue, but the spacing of the track centres coming off the turntable, Yea, now that I think of the geometry behind this... no matter what size the circle is, you can only get so many tracks around a circle. If you simply put S tracks as close together as you could around this Atlas TT, not all of them would line up square with the rotating track which would pose an issue. I was forgetting that one must think of the TT mathematically as the S scale track going all the way to the center of the TT... that width. So at the core of the TT one could only get n number of tracks around that circle... and they extend straight out from there. So, 22" vs 24" TT... you are only talking about where the slice between the moving part of those straight lines and the fixed part is... not any more or less tracks around the circle... that number is dictated by the scale of the track. Thus, focus on the changing the RH or using flex track as Barb suggested. Good data though... makes me really question if I will model one of the local RH's on my layout or not... they take up LOTS of space when done right. I'd almost rather a few more local industry tracks. Even considering sneaking a track towards the laundry room to model the Michigan Central line to South Haven... I don't think I could talk my wife into a turn table / roundhouse in "South Haven"... I mean the laundry room! That better stay a narrow shelf area for some switching / train storage. Michael P.S. Are we getting old when we forget the obvious...???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30404	From: Alex	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't use my old slide rule for a straightedge Lance, 'cuz it's a Keuffel and Esser circular rule! Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Lance McCold [mailto:lancemccold@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!! It certainly makes you see the passage of time when things we grew up with are now antiques. This young man has the right perspective! We are all getting older--and at the same speed. Some just got an earlier start. Hey, I recently found my slide rule--talk about obsolete! (Of course it can be used as a straight edge.) Life is good. :-) Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30405	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Atlas O Turntable

Yes, the problem seems to be with the roundhouse, not the turntable. It looks like if you projected the roundhouse track lines straight out to find the center point where they meet it would be several feet away and require a turntable of about 10-20 feet in diameter! It also looks like that roundhouse would be better if it were only three stalls. Would it be possible to make a new front wall with only three stalls and maybe curved to match the arc of the turntable? jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote:Dick wrote: >I bought an Atlas O gauge turntable with the idea of converting it >to S, but have run into a problem. I posted photos on Paul's photo >gallery at >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47 >The stops are fixed at the track slots, but the slots are too far >apart to line up with my roundhouse. > do I sell the TT before I screw it up? From the photo, it would seem that the real problem isn't the turntable, but the roundhouse itself. There aren't enough degrees of arc between the stalls to enable them to line up with ANY turntable center that is a practical distance from the roundhouse. Indexing issues aside, even if you put the roundhouse far enough from the turntable center to align with the TT center, by the time you run tracks from the RH to the edge of the TT the rails of each track would overlap. Big mess. Since the problem is the RH, getting another TT won't help. It would seem the RH is what you need to modify or replace. Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30406	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Central of Georgia (and others) Depot(s)

I don't know how many of you might be interested in a Central of Georgia railroad depot, but Andy Lester over at Mountaineer Precision Products told me recently that they will gladly produce their CofG depot in S if at least 10 orders are placed for it (only available in HO and N now). They also have a few other depots and other types of structures. Give them a look... their web site address is below : www.mpp-models.com John Degnan RailScaler@... Visit My Web Site : John's World on the Web http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30407	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Atlas O Turntable

Thanks to all who replied regarding the TT. I never thought of using switches after the TT. However, altho I follow the logic about the roundhouse, I disagree with the conclusion that it won't work. First of all, Doug has photos showing it in place with his TT. Secondly, despite the tight angles, I can have more than 12" lead tracks between the front of the RH and the TT before the tracks converge. I guess I'll just have to cut that hole in the table. Darn! Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30408	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!!

It was won last night by..... the Burma-Shave jingles? -Michael @ 9:57 RCON7.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "flyerkid1935" <flyerkid1935@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT!!!!!!! > Burma Shave.--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" > <rcon7@b...> wrote: > > I am having trouble thinking of a FLYER QUESTION... So here is a > train > > related puzzle.............. > > > > Where will you find the following saying!!!!! > > > > TRAIN WRECKS, FEW REASON CLEAR > > FIREMAN NEVER, HUGS THE ENGINEER > > > > EARILEST ANSWER GETS THE CAR......... > > > > RCON7 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30409	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)

Bob, You posted the question at 9:58 PM, but Michael posted his answer at 9:57 PM. Did he anticipate the question? Look in a crystal ball? or just jump in his time machine? Of course it could be one of those Star Trek temporal displacements! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30410	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: WOW....GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

**(((I can't use my old slide rule for a straightedge Lance, 'cuz it's a Keuffel and Esser circular rule!)))** Is that one of those jokes that you have to be in the 'profession' to understand?? ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30411	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Circular Slide Rule

Circular slide rule (for non-linear thinkers): http://www.hpmuseum.org/loga.jpg Now you can see why it wouldn't make a good straight edge!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30412	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)

BULL............ Very interesting..... it came in a couple minutes after I posted the question.... But he was first.... My puter shows 57 coming in and 58 going out... I do know my clock is off about 6 or 7 manures on my computer in the lower corner... could this be it???..... Anyway I am sending Him the car.... will get another out and post it too.. you come up with the question 4 me.... I am so loaded...with work... I can't even think... YORK is coming..... got to finish stuff.... will post the prize Friday night.... sometime.... you post the question sometime sat. night..... OK???? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?) > Bob, > > You posted the question at 9:58 PM, but Michael posted his answer at > 9:57 PM. Did he anticipate the question? Look in a crystal ball? or > just jump in his time machine? Of course it could be one of those > Star Trek temporal displacements! > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30413	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)

OUCH.... Its MINUTES... Not MANURE!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?) > Bob, > > You posted the question at 9:58 PM, but Michael posted his answer at > 9:57 PM. Did he anticipate the question? Look in a crystal ball? or > just jump in his time machine? Of course it could be one of those > Star Trek temporal displacements! > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30414	From: Tim	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)

Good 'un, guys! I had my own distemporal placement last night when my entry didn't get posted for about 20 minutes! Therefore I declare myself the Al Gore of the contest! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?) Bob, You posted the question at 9:58 PM, but Michael posted his answer at 9:57 PM. Did he anticipate the question? Look in a crystal ball? or just jump in his time machine? Of course it could be one of those Star Trek temporal displacements! BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30415	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: SMALL PROBLEM....... BUT! (temporal displacement?)

I guess I've won the honor of asking the next question. I'll be visiting Pensacola, Florida this weekend and I'll post the question sometime Saturday evening PBT (Pensacola Beach Time)! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > BULL............ Very interesting..... it came in a couple minutes after I > posted the question.... But he was first.... My puter shows 57 coming in and > 58 going out... I do know my clock is off about 6 or 7 manures on my > computer in the lower corner... could this be it???..... Anyway I am sending > Him the car.... will get another out and post it too.. you come up with the > question 4 me.... I am so loaded...with work... I can't even think... YORK > is coming..... got to finish stuff.... will post the prize Friday night.... > sometime.... you post the question sometime sat. night..... OK???? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30416	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: NORM SCHREINER

The Chicagoland Association of S-Gaugers regrets to announce that former President Norm Schreiner passed away March 22 at age 63. He had been recovering from his bypass last fall and undergoing treatments for cancer in one lung. He then developed pneumonia and acute respiratory distress and was hospitalized the last week of February. When he recovered from the respiratory problems, the cancer had spread to his other lung and was spreading to other organs. Norm had served admirably for the last four years as our president and for the four years prior to that as our treasurer. He was among the founders of the CHASM modular layout group within CASG and later the CLANG narrow gauge modular group. Norm had been a member of CASG for many years and the NASG since 1988. His efforts on behalf of CASG included doing all the stamping of the graffiti cars for the 2002 Fall S Fest. Norm also owned Schreiner Scale Models, producing urethane kits for streamlined passenger cars, both full scale length and short, American Flyer compatible cars. He also did custom assembly and painting work for many S gaugers. He built the display layout the many of us have enjoyed at Scenery Unlimited open houses. He and Don Heimburger built the hi-rail layout that is used during the holiday season at a bank near Don's office. Norm is survived by his wife, Judy, his daughters Lisa Combs and Robin, three grand children Jillian, Kyle and Ryan and a sister. Our condolences to the family. On behalf of the family, we ask that they not be contacted concerning his trains! Arrangements for them have been made. Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30417	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: York

Hi All, I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet each other. Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to attend. Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe Paul can post the link for this sign. Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30418	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York

Hi Barb I plan on being there on Friday the 16th. John Foley At 06:01 PM 4/1/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. >I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet >each other. > >Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, >I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to >attend. > >Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain >via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the >back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe >Paul can post the link for this sign. > >Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30419	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Abandoned steam engine

Steamlocomotive.com lists an abandoned steam engine in Brunswick, Maryland on an unused spur. I only live about and hour and a half from Brunswick so I'd like to look at it. Unfortunately I cannot get additional information about its location. Does anyone on S-Trains have information? Peter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30420	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York

Barb, I need to keep my identity a secret while in PA, since I am a wanted criminal in the state of PA. My crime: I don't like anything with the colors of Blue and White and I have a habit of destroying those things, since they are the colors of Penn State U. As a U of MD grad, that is my duty while in PA. Good thing there are no S gauge trains made for PSU and now this is train related. Thank you, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi All, > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > each other. > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > attend. > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30421	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: 631 T&P dilemma

Group, For a long time I've been trying to put together the 1951 American Flyer sets. I've been using the various 'guides' to do this. Here's the problem. Greenberg guides say the red painted 631 is uncataloged 1952. (hardbound editions 1984, 1988, 1991 & 1997). TM guides, (I just noticed this), say the red painted 631 is uncataloged 1951. (2000 and 2003 editions). Does anyone on the list know which guide is correct? I sold my gray and my red 631's about five years ago and now I'm wondering if I messed up. Also wondering which set is known to have contained the red painted 631? ? ? ? Take care, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30422	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: 631 T&P dilemma

Depends on how much you got for them!!!!!!!!!! the 631 gray now books at 450.00... and I need one... Will trade a nice 641... with all steps and box for a 631.... same condition... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 631 T&P dilemma > Group, > > For a long time I've been trying to put together the 1951 American Flyer > sets. > I've been using the various 'guides' to do this. > > Here's the problem. > > Greenberg guides say the red painted 631 is uncataloged 1952. (hardbound > editions 1984, 1988, 1991 & 1997). > TM guides, (I just noticed this), say the red painted 631 is uncataloged > 1951. (2000 and 2003 editions). > Does anyone on the list know which guide is correct? > I sold my gray and my red 631's about five years ago and now I'm wondering > if I messed up. > Also wondering which set is known to have contained the red painted 631? ? ? > ? > > Take care, > > Don > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30423	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: S scale

I checked out his website - as my earlier note indicated - and I found his stuff to be quite interesting. It was unique without being overwhelming and different from many of the things on the market today, in either HO, N or S. It was, however, also sufficiently generic that most pikes could use it, no matter what era/location they're trying to depict. I encourage others to do so. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30424	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Central of Georgia (and others) Depot(s)

I have found the CoG group very friendly, helpful and open-minded towards S, although I don't think we have too many S scalers that model the road. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30425	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: Abandoned steam engine

Maybe ask the local RR museum in that city...??? http://www.brrm.net/ Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30426	From: starr007	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: GP7 or Alco trucksideframes

Greetings, Does anyone have any Alco or GP7 complete truck sideframes for sale or trade? If so, Please contact me at starr007@.... The color is not important! Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30427	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/1/2004
Subject: Re: York

Sorry to tell you that there was train cars made for Penn State,I think in HO and Ogauge. Bob Persing mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:Barb, I need to keep my identity a secret while in PA, since I am a wanted criminal in the state of PA. My crime: I don't like anything with the colors of Blue and White and I have a habit of destroying those things, since they are the colors of Penn State U. As a U of MD grad, that is my duty while in PA. Good thing there are no S gauge trains made for PSU and now this is train related. Thank you, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" To: "S-Trains" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi All, > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > each other. > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > attend. > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30428	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the slippery srick

In the 1960's I took a physics course at night at the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee. It was a five semester hour course. It was organized as two hours of lecture, two hours of problem solving and a four hour lab on Saturday mornings. I had bought a programmable TI calculator, had a slide rule and a CRC handbook. I had a C in the course going into the finals. As I got ready for the finals I had taken the CRC book and written most of the equations for mechanics and heat into the margins. Wouldn't you know it. The calculators were forbidden. As I opened my test I realized that I had forgotten my handbook and had left it at home. I was about to panic. But I had the old slippery stick. Every value I needed from trig values to logarithms to Exponent E was on it. I knew after I took that half of the test that I had done well. The lab portion of the test was a real whizzer, too. They gave us a small fish scale, a couple of wooden blocks, a couple of pulleys and some string. My assignment was to develop the gravitational constant using these items. I remember I fot 9.805 meters per sec squared. Not to shabby! What ever I did, it was well enough to improve my semester grade from a C to a B. I still have the old slide rule and will never forget how to use it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30429	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] York

We will be at booth II-5 in the orange hall. Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:02 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] York Hi All, I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet each other. Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to attend. Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe Paul can post the link for this sign. Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30430	From: Chris	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: American Flyer Circus Train Prototype

Hi Guys: In the "Life is stranger than friction bearings" department, I've been working in NY City for the past two days, commuting on the LIRR. Last night, as my train passed the Sunnyside Yard, I saw, on an adjacent track, two oversized box cars marked "Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus". I knew the circus is in town because I had seen a piece in the paper about walking the elephants into Madison Square Garden. The third car on that track was an old passenger car. I don't think it belonged to the circus. It was in poor condition, typical of some old rolling stock that the Sunnyside crew keep around as storage sheds. Here's the punchline. That third car appears to be an "American Flyer" car, aka a Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coach, just like the one on the tail end of the Flyer Circus set. Now, outside of a museum, I didn't know that even one of these coaches still sat on regular commercial rails. I certainly did not expect to see one at Sunnyside, and I was struck speechless seeing it behind two circus cars! I brought a camera with me today and I'm going to try to snap a shot on the way home. If I get it, I'll post it here. Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30431	From: Hannon	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2236 - York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators

To Barb: I will be in the Blue Hall, tables C48/C50. I'll have manuals, wound parts and some trains. To A.E.Johnson: Thanks for the memories of my worst nightmare (my old slightly bent sliderule - ever stick one in your back pocket in your rush to get to class?) and my 5 pound TI "pocket" calculator (my kids are still amazed that they weighed so much back then). Bob Hannon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:02 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] York > > Hi All, > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > each other. > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > attend. > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:05:11 -0000 > From: "Chris" <busyboy@...> > Subject: American Flyer Circus Train Prototype > > Hi Guys: > In the "Life is stranger than friction bearings" department, > I've been working in NY City for the past two days, commuting on the > LIRR. Last night, as my train passed the Sunnyside Yard, I saw, on > an adjacent track, two oversized box cars marked "Ringling Bros. > Barnum & Bailey Circus". I knew the circus is in town because I had > seen a piece in the paper about walking the elephants into Madison > Square Garden. > > The third car on that track was an old passenger car. I don't think > it belonged to the circus. It was in poor condition, typical of some > old rolling stock that the Sunnyside crew keep around as storage > sheds. > > Here's the punchline. That third car appears to be an "American > Flyer" car, aka a Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coach, just like the one on > the tail end of the Flyer Circus set. > > Now, outside of a museum, I didn't know that even one of these > coaches still sat on regular commercial rails. I certainly did not > expect to see one at Sunnyside, and I was struck speechless seeing it > behind two circus cars! > > I brought a camera with me today and I'm going to try to snap a shot > on the way home. If I get it, I'll post it here. > > Chris > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30432	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: York

Joe's Train Repair will again be at York with parts, American Model trains, etc. We again will be in the middle of the Orange Hall on the center aisle in the first set of draped booths facing the main entrance. I hope to see most of you at the Gilbert Get Together on Thursday evening at the Sheraton. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30433	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: York

Bob, My wife is the proud owner of 3 PSU HO Cars and one is honoring Joe Pa with his 300th win on Sept. 12, 1998, as that made it more special to her, as Sept 12, is her birthday too! Maybe they should make a S gauge PSU car! Weavers makes allot of HO and O PSU stuff. I am the proud owner of my 1954 U of MD NCAA Football Championship year! LOL! Although PSU has a glorious history in Football, they do not have a title in both football and basketball! My father in law went to PSU and my wife, who went to Hood College in Frederick, wears PSU stuff, as I went to MD and remember well the beatings MD would get by PSU in football. But the tide has reverse! Roar Lion Roar and Fear the Turtle! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT PERSING To: mlmarmer ; S-Trains ; Barbara Rudnicki Cc: Jerome Matsick Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Sorry to tell you that there was train cars made for Penn State,I think in HO and Ogauge. Bob Persing mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Barb, I need to keep my identity a secret while in PA, since I am a wanted criminal in the state of PA. My crime: I don't like anything with the colors of Blue and White and I have a habit of destroying those things, since they are the colors of Penn State U. As a U of MD grad, that is my duty while in PA. Good thing there are no S gauge trains made for PSU and now this is train related. Thank you, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" To: "S-Trains" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi All, > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > each other. > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > attend. > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30434	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: So old it's new!

The recent postings about slide rules reminded me of a true story called into a local CBC Toronto radio 'talk-back' program. A father called to say that he recently taught his twelve year-old, computer-wizard son how to use a slide ruler. The kid caught on quickly and was amazed at the kind of mathematical calculations that could be accomplished. In an excited voice he said to his dad, "You know, they should mass produce these things so everyone could carry one around." I got a real chuckle out of it. Now, back to my trains. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30435	From: Bruce	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick

A programable calculator in the 1960's? My senior year of high school , '72-'73, there were a couple kids with calculators, fairly simple four function machines. It wasn't until Fall '73 at Purdue that I saw my first programable calculator, my roommate's HP. It blew my SR- 10 four function calculator by TI (a graduation gift from my parents) out of the water. I used his calculator whenever I could. I just checked the TI website out of curiousity and they claim to have invented the handheld calculator when they built a prototype four function machine in 1967. I still have my K&E Log Log Duplex Decitrig that I used in high school. I keep it in my desk to amaze the new hires who have never seen a slide rule. Bruce W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > In the 1960's I took a physics course at night at the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee. It was a five semester hour course. It was organized as two hours of lecture, two hours of problem solving and a four hour lab on Saturday mornings. I had bought a programmable TI calculator, had a slide rule and a CRC handbook. I had a C in the course going into the finals. As I got ready for the finals I had taken the CRC book and written most of the equations for mechanics and heat into the margins. Wouldn't you know it. The calculators were forbidden. As I opened my test I realized that I had forgotten my handbook and had left it at home. I was about to panic. But I had the old slippery stick. Every value I needed from trig values to logarithms to Exponent E was on it. I knew after I took that half of the test that I had done well. > > The lab portion of the test was a real whizzer, too. They gave us a small fish scale, a couple of wooden blocks, a couple of pulleys and some string. My assignment was to develop the gravitational constant using these items. I remember I fot 9.805 meters per sec squared. Not to shabby! > > What ever I did, it was well enough to improve my semester grade from a C to a B. I still have the old slide rule and will never forget how to use it. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30436	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: circus train

Chris, I have seen that car too, though not this year. Quite a sight to an AF fan. The circus train used to be parked at Sunnyside every year and was easy to see from a passing train. They have recently removed a lot of trackage from that yard, so maybe it is stored someplace else now. They used to turn off power to the third rail and walk the elephants trunk to tail along the track and under the river to MSG in the middle of the night. At one time, the train used to be parked in the NYC West Side Yard, now gone, and the elephants used to be paraded down the street to the venue. \ Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30437	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick

I have my old 21" K&E still in its leather case in the original sliding box, with 2 manuals and a booklet of care instructions. I pull it out once in a while and wonder how the H___ I ever learned to use it !!! ;<) Dick Aurora, OH At 12:46 PM 4/2/2004, Bruce wrote: >A programable calculator in the 1960's? My senior year of high school >, '72-'73, there were a couple kids with calculators, fairly simple >four function machines. It wasn't until Fall '73 at Purdue that I >saw my first programable calculator, my roommate's HP. It blew my SR- >10 four function calculator by TI (a graduation gift from my parents) >out of the water. I used his calculator whenever I could. I just >checked the TI website out of curiousity and they claim to have >invented the handheld calculator when they built a prototype four >function machine in 1967. I still have my K&E Log Log Duplex >Decitrig that I used in high school. I keep it in my desk to amaze >the new hires who have never seen a slide rule. > >Bruce W. > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > > In the 1960's I took a physics course at night at the University of >Wisconsin - Milwaukee. It was a five semester hour course. It was >organized as two hours of lecture, two hours of problem solving and a >four hour lab on Saturday mornings. I had bought a programmable TI >calculator, had a slide rule and a CRC handbook. I had a C in the >course going into the finals. As I got ready for the finals I had >taken the CRC book and written most of the equations for mechanics >and heat into the margins. Wouldn't you know it. The calculators were >forbidden. As I opened my test I realized that I had forgotten my >handbook and had left it at home. I was about to panic. But I had the >old slippery stick. Every value I needed from trig values to >logarithms to Exponent E was on it. I knew after I took that half of >the test that I had done well. > > > > The lab portion of the test was a real whizzer, too. They gave us a >small fish scale, a couple of wooden blocks, a couple of pulleys and >some string. My assignment was to develop the gravitational constant >using these items. I remember I fot 9.805 meters per sec squared. Not >to shabby! > > > > What ever I did, it was well enough to improve my semester grade >from a C to a B. I still have the old slide rule and will never >forget how to use it. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30438	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the slippery srick

Guys.... I still remember my first electronic calculator... 100.00 and didn't even have a decimal point! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Memories of the slippery srick > A programable calculator in the 1960's? My senior year of high school > , '72-'73, there were a couple kids with calculators, fairly simple

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30439	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the Slippery Stick

Bruce, your memory is better than mine. I remember having a calculator. At some point I also had a TI that had the little program sticks that you stuck into it. Since this was 40 years ago, I may have that confused. I still have the slide run. It was not a K&E, but some other brand. It was aluminum. Over the years, the white coating on it yellowed a bit. But every math value I needed I founf that night. We have moved several times since I last used it. I am not wuite sure where it is. I was thought better than to cheat. And I can thank God that I wasn't able to that night. I went to college at night. I went where I was working. I was in Milwaukee during the mid and late 60's. In the early 70's I worked in upstate New York. I would attend the spring and summer terms at Syracuse at night. I was always worried that we would get a snow storm and I would miss the finals, so I did not attend the fall terms. As it was I did miss a few classes in January and February due to the snow. My son and his wife went to college at Penn State. I think that it is the most expense state university in the world. But he met her there and they have been married for 14 years. So three grandkids later, I may ought to call it an investment instead of an expense. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30440	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: GONDOLA WINNER........ WATCH FOR NEXT CONTEST!!!!!!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30441	From: Alex	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: More memories of the slippery stick

I'm reading over these S-Trains list notes as I sit here looking at my K&E circular slide rule, along with its browned and tattered original manual. I haven't used this critter in years, but I recall racing one of my contemporaries in junior high school back in the early 1960s. Richard Tucker used a 12-in. slip-stick and I used the circular Keuffel and Esser rule. We'd concoct math problems, and then race to the answer. Lots of fun---especially to me as a kid who abhorred math! These days I use a TI-36X "solar" light-powered calculator ($12) that lets me do things such as polar to rectangular and rectangular to polar conversions, convert hex to decimal to octal and back, or handle engineering units, etc. Man, how times have changed. Alex in Kennebunk .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:willisbd@...] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Memories of the slippery srick A programable calculator in the 1960's? My senior year of high school , '72-'73, there were a couple kids with calculators, fairly simple four function machines. It wasn't until Fall '73 at Purdue that I saw my first programable calculator, my roommate's HP. It blew my SR- 10 four function calculator by TI (a graduation gift from my parents) out of the water. I used his calculator whenever I could. I just checked the TI website out of curiousity and they claim to have invented the handheld calculator when they built a prototype four function machine in 1967. I still have my K&E Log Log Duplex Decitrig that I used in high school. I keep it in my desk to amaze the new hires who have never seen a slide rule. Bruce W................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30442	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: York

Mike, AMEN! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "ROBERT PERSING" <boblines51@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York > Bob, > > My wife is the proud owner of 3 PSU HO Cars and one is honoring Joe Pa with his 300th win on Sept. 12, 1998, as that made it more special to her, as Sept 12, is her birthday too! > > Maybe they should make a S gauge PSU car! > > Weavers makes allot of HO and O PSU stuff. > > I am the proud owner of my 1954 U of MD NCAA Football Championship year! LOL! > > Although PSU has a glorious history in Football, they do not have a title in both football and basketball! > > My father in law went to PSU and my wife, who went to Hood College in Frederick, wears PSU stuff, as I went to MD and remember well the beatings MD would get by PSU in football. But the tide has reverse! > > Roar Lion Roar and Fear the Turtle! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ROBERT PERSING > To: mlmarmer ; S-Trains ; Barbara Rudnicki > Cc: Jerome Matsick > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York > > > Sorry to tell you that there was train cars made for Penn State,I think in HO and Ogauge. Bob Persing > > mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Barb, > > I need to keep my identity a secret while in PA, since I am a wanted > criminal in the state of PA. > > My crime: I don't like anything with the colors of Blue and White and I > have a habit of destroying those things, since they are the colors of Penn > State U. As a U of MD grad, that is my duty while in PA. > > Good thing there are no S gauge trains made for PSU and now this is train > related. > > Thank you, > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Rudnicki" > To: "S-Trains" > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] York > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > > each other. > > > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > > attend. > > > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30443	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Check out Online machine shop

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30444	From: Al Galli	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: york

I will be in the Blue Hall E54 and at the Billy Budd Tuesday-Thursday Al GAlli > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:02 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] York > > Hi All, > > I am going to York the week after next - my first trip. > I would like as many of us on the list as possible to meet > each other. > > Therefore, I am compiling a list of attendees. So far, > I have 11 of us. Please let me know if you plan to > attend. > > Paul York has created a sign which you can obtain > via his web site. If we print it out and affix it to the > back of our shirts, we'll be easy to identify. Maybe > Paul can post the link for this sign. > > Thanks and see you all in a couple weeks ...Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30445	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30446	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: York

Hi, I'm Tim Brown and I approve this message: I'll be at the crab cake stand sometime between 11::00 and 1:00. Look for an old-looking guy wearing a hat. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30447	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Fw: York

Why hasn't this been posted yet? Tim brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-List Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: York Hi, I'm Tim Brown and I approve this message: I'll be at the crab cake stand sometime between 11::00 and 1:00. Look for an old-looking guy wearing a hat. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30448	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: York

Tim, I got the message the first time, but remember there are lots of old guys wearing hats at York! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: York > Why hasn't this been posted yet? > > Tim brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim > To: S-List > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:44 PM > Subject: York > > > Hi, > > I'm Tim Brown and I approve this message: > > I'll be at the crab cake stand sometime between 11::00 and 1:00. Look for an old-looking guy wearing a hat. > > Tim Brown > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30449	From: Tim	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fw: York

Wow! This one took an hour and 13 mintues! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-List Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: York Why hasn't this been posted yet? Tim brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-List Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: York Hi, I'm Tim Brown and I approve this message: I'll be at the crab cake stand sometime between 11::00 and 1:00. Look for an old-looking guy wearing a hat. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30450	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: More Slide Rule Memories

I had a required slide rule course in my freshman year. The professor had an interesting method of giving exams. He allowed you to bring your slide rule, your Bible or both. Why the Bible you might ask. Each exam question was, of course, a math problem. Each problem was followed by a Bible verse. You could either work the problem on your slide rule or look up the verse in your Bible. In the verse would be the numerical answer to the problem. Needless to say using the Bible always resulted in the correct answer! There was a lot of page turning and very little slide rule motion during exams! I'd hate to see what would happen if a professor tried that in a public university today. He'd be fired in a New York minute I'm sure. To this day I carry a SAMA & ETHANI Concise Chemical Tables and Circular Slide Rule in my briefcase. The front is a slide rule and the back is the periodic table of the elements. Inside is a plastic card with conversion tables for temperature, velocity, flow rates, gas constants, energy, pressure, volume, mass, force, length, area, decimal equivalents and other useful constants and data. Just to be safe it even includes a full manual inside for using the slide rule and the conversion tables. And to top it off - it all fits inside it's own plastic pocket protector. What more could an engineer ask for! This little jewel has been a life saver over the years, especially for the professional engineers exam and those many trips away from the office and the reference books. As silly as it sounds, if you whip out a slide rule in a meeting and work a little math it will still impress people today!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30451	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Re: Memories of the Slippery Stick

I was taking a fluid mechanics and heat transfer course in the fall of 1971. At the beginning of the class the only tool available was a slide rule. Every test was a slide rule race and nobody in the class ever finished every problem on a test. About a third of the way through the semester a student brought an HP35, the first widely available engineering/scientific calculator, to a test and was the first and only one to finish the test. There was a major debate in the college of engineering about whether or not to allow the use of calculators for tests. End result was they were allowed and every student in the class had one by the final exam, as grading was done on a curve. I still have my old Picket slide rule (one of the few aluminum) My post which was enameled bamboo was stolen when I was a freshman. The TI version of the scientific calculator was introduced in the following spring and hit the market for 1/4 the price of the HP35 which was 399.00 at the student union book store. That is the history as I remember it. -----Original Message----- From: A.E. Johnson [mailto:bigfoot@...] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:34 PM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Memories of the Slippery Stick Bruce, your memory is better than mine. I remember having a calculator. At some point I also had a TI that had the little program sticks that you stuck into it. Since this was 40 years ago, I may have that confused. I still have the slide run. It was not a K&E, but some other brand. It was aluminum. Over the years, the white coating on it yellowed a bit. But every math value I needed I founf that night. We have moved several times since I last used it. I am not wuite sure where it is. I was thought better than to cheat. And I can thank God that I wasn't able to that night. I went to college at night. I went where I was working. I was in Milwaukee during the mid and late 60's. In the early 70's I worked in upstate New York. I would attend the spring and summer terms at Syracuse at night. I was always worried that we would get a snow storm and I would miss the finals, so I did not attend the fall terms. As it was I did miss a few classes in January and February due to the snow. My son and his wife went to college at Penn State. I think that it is the most expense state university in the world. But he met her there and they have been married for 14 years. So three grandkids later, I may ought to call it an investment instead of an expense. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30452	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/2/2004
Subject: Memories of the Slippery Stick

Sounds like a lot of us we Engineering School Students. I was forst introduced to the slide rule in a high school Physics class. Then my first semester of college, we had a course called Engineering Problems. Slip stick all the way. Now, with this interest, we out to put a Slide Rule factory on our pikes. What do you think? I apologize for getting us off of our primary subject Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30453	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2237

Slide Rule? I thought I lived out in the frontier here in Colorado & I traded my slide rule for a MONROE miniature calculator in the late 50's. I still have it and use it to lay out my spiral R.R curves and figure out vertical curves on my pike. Can't make York this April, may be next? Sounds like I will miss out on some fun. I Park my 5th wheel next to the figure of the chicken (tree trunk ) in front of the red hall. I do carry along some COORS. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30454	From: editor	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators

Sorry folks, my Dad was in the U.S. Navy when I was very young and my smaller brother & I grew up using an abacus until we move back to the States. But I do remember buying a TI for logarithms in the early 1970s -- $109!!! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30455	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: TONIGHTS CONTEST........... HARTOY TRUCK

THE PRIZE FOR TONIGHT IS A "HARTOY" 3/16" WHEATIES TRUCK WITHOUT A BOX... IT IS NEW... WORTH ABOUT 8.00... WILL INCLUDE A NICE AF IC 623 or 923 SHELL TOO!! No base... but nice I AM PAYING POSTAGE.... LAST WEEKS GONDOLA HAS BEEN SHIPPED.. BULLGATOR WILL POST A QUESTION SOMETIME THIS WEEKEND.....MAYBE DUCK OR TOM CAN POST THE QUESTIONS WHILE I AM GONE...... WILL COME UP WITH TWO MORE PRIZES FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS..... WILL BE GONE THEN SO I CAN'T RESPOND UNTIL AFTER THE 22 ND.... BOB RCON7 OFF TOPIC........ Loved the comments about the Slipsticks..... Museum Pieces..... At my Glass Class a few weeks ago one of the guys, an attorney, I work with mentioned the term "CAPEWELL COVERS"... He looked puzzled when I said that I know about them!!!... You pop them open and hook your thumbs in the rings .... well you know the rest..... .... come to think of it and still trying to clean out my Garage/ Bed room/Train room/shop building/living room/storage unit I will offer another Hartoy truck for answer to that comment..... up to 2 more shipped least expensive way..... new items ... no boxes... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30456	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators

Hey......... Lets face it .... most of us couldn't count over 10 before calculators.... and oh the SMELL when we took off our shoes to go up to 20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RCON7 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "editor" <editor@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York & Sliderules & Old TI Calculators > Sorry folks, my Dad was in the U.S. Navy when I was very young and my > smaller brother & I grew up using an abacus until we move back to the > States. But I do remember buying a TI for logarithms in the early 1970s -- > $109!!! > > > Best regards, > Richard E. Bendever, Editor > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide > P. O. Box 56 > Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 > ORDERS: 908/304-5545 > www.ModelingGuide.com > SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30457	From: race944t	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York

I'm a frequent reader, not writer to S-Trains. I'll be at York with money burning a whole in my pocket for the purchase of Gilbert postwar "S". Hope to meet people at the Gilbert Get Together. Now, will everyone with Gilbert postwar Flyer "S" get out your sliderule (er, calculator) and cut your prices in half. I'll be glad to provide you with new price tags or stickers! I'm now qualified as an old fart, I still have my Precision Sterling slide rule and I could probably find my TI computer and cassette recorder down my basement, but I do not wear a hat and I won't be at the crab cake stand. I'll be in my motorhome and I'll find you. Joe Haenn, I'll have a parts list for you as soon as I figure out everything I need. I also have stuff I'm bring to you. Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > Joe's Train Repair will again be at York with parts, > American Model trains, etc. We again will be in the > middle of the Orange Hall on the center aisle in the > first set of draped booths facing the main entrance. > > I hope to see most of you at the Gilbert Get Together > on Thursday evening at the Sheraton. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30458	From: geep39	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Davey & Goliath-I Saw Flyer!

My son and I were watching Davey & Goliath, checking out what the different satire about the program is about, when all of a sudden-- There's a shot of a "station", and a rail yard with freight cars, which look like Kusan to me. (probably due to the accurate markings and two rail track) Then, on the middle track, comes a steam engine! Well, that certainly wasn't Kusan! With that Wootten firebox and arched cab windows, it was none other than an American Flyer Reading Atlantic! The other giveaway was the number 303 under the cab windows. The whitewalls were painted over, as well as the Reading diamond and "American Flyer Lines" on the tender. It was hauling a light blue homebuilt passenger car (yeesh). The smoke and sounds were pretty lame, too. It looks like someone inked the film to make the smoke. I had heard that there was some Flyer on that show, and I was lucky enough to see it. This is the episode where a troublesome cousin comes to visit, and comes in on the train.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30459	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Turntable

> >Okay, you all talked me into it, so if it doesn't work,.....! I took the >plunge and cut the hole for my Portlines turntable. Maaaayyyybeee, it >might just work! If not, I've got the cutout to patch back in place. > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo47?&page=1 > >Have a train weekend! > >Dick >Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30460	From: larryasp	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Power Loss.

Group question. My Royal Blue works beautifully - quiet, no e unit noise (inside boiler), and it pulls 4 heavyweight passenger cars round the track with lots of low end pulling speed, and good top end speed. ( There is no smoke unit in the Royal Blues). Put my 290 on the 4 heavywieghts instead, or a 312 etc, the performance is not as good as the Royal Blue - not as fast , not as good on slow speed etc. . Aside from doing proper clean ups, degreasing, polishing and cleanup up armature surfaces etc., what about the smoke unit piston. How much resistance or power loss does it introduce? Would it make a diffrenece in perforamance, should one replace the piston when doing overhaul etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30461	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: York

OK Guys... BARB is compiling a list of the ones one the list who are going...... How about arranging a meeting spot for all of us somewhere... BARBs room... Clock 4 lunch... No Breakfast meetings...got to get out before daylight to look in boxes!!!!! Or at one of the meets or for Dinner somewhere... Dinner seems best for all.... Olive Garden at 7:00 Tue, or Wed... thur is Good and Plenty night and the museum.... What do you all think.... Remember... The TCA got its start from a very small meet years ago... Maybe we can get this "s" group growing..... I will bring the FERTILIZER!!!!!!!! BOB RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30462	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Power loss

The variation in power among your Pacific type locos is probably due to bearing wear, and possibly some slight armature coil damage as well. They sound pretty normal to me. Later Pul-mor equipped locos were more powerful. When you clean a commutator, remove all grooves and pits and clean out the slots carefully and completely. Make sure your brushes and brush springs are in good condition. Lubricate front and rear armature bearings. A smoke unit can sometimes add too much mechanical resistance. if you suspect this, remove the smoke unit piston and arm and see if things improve much. Listen to the motor -- if it makes a higher pitched sound, it is running faster. (If you are going to run the loco this way for any length of time, disconnect one of the leads to the smoke unit, as it can overheat and burn out if no air is being forced thru.) You can squirt a little WD-40 (sorry, Duck) or contact cleaner into the smoke unit piston's cylinder to lubricate the piston's path. Another source of friction that may be overlooked is the valve gear and rods. If you turn a loco upside down and spin the armature with your finger, you may find that there is a little resistance you can feel at a certain point in the cycle. This is usually due to binding caused by a bent part or other fault in the valve/rod assembly. A bent part can be straightened with a pair of pliers. Mechanical resistance from the smoke unit can also be felt by finger spinning the armature. If the resistance stops when you disconnect the smoke piston arm, you have isolated the problem. And don't forget to lubricate ALL the axle holes, including the tender's, with a needle tip oiler. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30463	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest Question

Ok ya'll - this is a two part question. The first one with the correct answers to reach my email at bull_gator_1@... wins tonight's contest: Question 1: What is the most significant difference between the 752 and 752A coal loaders? Question 2: What is the most significant difference between the 755 and 755A talking stations? I'm looking for SPECIFIC answers. Good luck to all!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30464	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest Question

----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: bull_gator_1@... Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest Question 1. $40 2. $60 Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest Question Ok ya'll - this is a two part question. The first one with the correct answers to reach my email at bull_gator_1@... wins tonight's contest: Question 1: What is the most significant difference between the 752 and 752A coal loaders? Question 2: What is the most significant difference between the 755 and 755A talking stations? I'm looking for SPECIFIC answers. Good luck to all!!! BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30465	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: S-Trains Badge

Hi All, For those of you attending the York meet, the link below contains the S-Trains badge. Simply print it out and wear it on your shirt to the meet. Then we can all identify each other from afar. So far, there are 19 of us ...Barb PS I'll have mine pinned to the back of my Gilbert, American Flyer, denim shirt ...:-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30466	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Badge

BARB....... WHERE IS THE LINK???? I was going to suggest that we all get Blue or Yellow ball caps and attach a car to the top... IE... the old BEANIE!!!!! Already got a Caboose out and ready to go.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Trains Badge > Hi All, > > For those of you attending the York meet, the link below > contains the S-Trains badge. > > Simply print it out and wear it on your shirt to the meet. > Then we can all identify each other from afar. > > So far, there are 19 of us ...Barb > > PS I'll have mine pinned to the back of my Gilbert, > American Flyer, denim shirt ...:-) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30467	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Oops

Sorry, I forgot to paste the link in. The link for the S-Trains badge is: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30468	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest Question

MORE SPECIFIC 755 GREEN... AF decal on base and sign reads " Mystic Station" 755 BLUE ...... No decal and sign reads "Mystic" 752A ..... Has 3 Button Controller and the coal is held until dumped... some minor color variations 752 .... Has 2 button controller and the coal just falls thru.... BOB RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest Question > Ok ya'll - this is a two part question. The first one with the > correct answers to reach my email at bull_gator_1@... wins > tonight's contest: > > Question 1: What is the most significant difference between the 752 > and 752A coal loaders? > > Question 2: What is the most significant difference between the 755 > and 755A talking stations? > > I'm looking for SPECIFIC answers. > > Good luck to all!!! > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30469	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!

So far no one has given the correct answers. I'll give a hint - I'm looking for specific, significant design differences. The number of buttons on the controllers may be part of the answer, but not the SPECIFIC answer. Another hint - go read the early 1980s S Gaugian magazines and you'll find the answers. Good luck and keep trying!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30470	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest Question

Were the 752 and the 755 not cataloged while the 752A and 755A were? Worth a shot... -Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30471	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!

752 46-50 2 button green stamped steel base, yellow metal machine shed, red outlined windows, dark red roof, gray paint structure, red outlined top windows both sides, dark red loader roof, black sheet metal guides 752A 51-52 3 button with operating hopper door... possibly a yellow base 755 GREEN... AF decal on base and sign reads " Mystic Station" 755 BLUE ...... No decal and sign reads "Mystic" Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!! > So far no one has given the correct answers. I'll give a hint - I'm > looking for specific, significant design differences. The number of > buttons on the controllers may be part of the answer, but not the > SPECIFIC answer. > > Another hint - go read the early 1980s S Gaugian magazines and you'll > find the answers. > > Good luck and keep trying!! > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30472	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!

So what, my answer as to the price difference is chopped liver? Am I invisible? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!! So far no one has given the correct answers. I'll give a hint - I'm looking for specific, significant design differences. The number of buttons on the controllers may be part of the answer, but not the SPECIFIC answer. Another hint - go read the early 1980s S Gaugian magazines and you'll find the answers. Good luck and keep trying!! BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30473	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Grand Excursion 1854-2004

This is a celebration by rail and boat of the arrival of the railroad at the Mississippi River at Rock Island, Illinois in 1854. Milwaukee Road 261 is the steamer involved. See below for internet address. Join us for an exciting recreation of the rail portion of the Grand Excursion of 1854 with a stirring trip on a train pulled by an authentic steam locomotive. The historic route begins in Chicago on June 25th and travels to Rock Island, Illinois, and then travels upriver through four states, arriving in the Twin Cities for the July 4th weekend. http://www.grandexcursion.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30474	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: 915 Auto Unloading Car

Could someone that has one of these handy give me a little information about the Renwal gasoline truck that came with this unloading car. 1- What is the length of this truck bumper to bumper? 2- Were the wheels, tires, and axle a one piece plastic part and are they known to come in a variety of colors? 3- On the inside of the truck did they carry the Renwal name and was there a model number? 4- Are reproductions of this truck available and if so is there any way to identify them from the originals? Thanks in advance. Oh Boy!..Trains!....................Herky..1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30475	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Daylight savings Time

Don't forget to set your clocks ahead an hour before you go to sleep tonight. Barb ...:-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30476	From: Tim	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: You can see me!

Thanks to all who responded - I want to form an alliance with you. I'm not invisible! However, BG1 - "You're fired!". And remember; the votes don't count until after the show is over! Roll 'em. Brown out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30477	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/3/2004
Subject: Atlas Turntable, and space problems

Hi All, This is posted after a LOOOONG day cleaning out Linda's father's house, and hauling two truckloads of stuff (Including a table saw and a 'fridge) to our house, with one more load to go. Anyways, the real railroads sometimes crossed the lead tracks from the house to the table to make stuff fit in a small space (in other words, the tracks from the house to the table wouldn't just meet at the table pit, but crossed over each other before reaching the pit. Too tired to figure out how this might help, but thought I'd throw it in. It would be interesting to model, but a pain to maintain! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30478	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Last Night's Contest Winner

Hello all, Here is the first and only correct response to last night's trivia contest. Hi Bull, The 752A had a third button to activate the additional solenoid that dumped the coal into the waiting car. The 752 would dump the coal when the clam shell would open at the top of the tower. The 755A had a resistor to stop the engine without cycling the reverse unit. The 755 required locking the reverse unit. Bill McKie My sources for the correct answers were: 752 - S Gaugian, Jan/Feb 1993, page 43. 755 - S Gaugian, Nov/Dec 1992, page 36. Thanks to all who played! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Last Night's Contest Winner

Bill McKie..... send me your address Bob RCON7 Bull...... good questions.... will put up 2 more prizes next sat and Sunday for the 2 following Saturday night contests..... What do you all say about having to log on to the Chat to get clues?????... But I can not answer any mail until after April 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Last Night's Contest Winner > Hello all, > > Here is the first and only correct response to last night's trivia > contest. > > > Hi Bull, > > The 752A had a third button to activate the additional solenoid that > dumped the coal into the waiting car. The 752 would dump the coal > when the clam shell would open at the top of the tower. > > The 755A had a resistor to stop the engine without cycling the > reverse unit. The 755 required locking the reverse unit. > > Bill McKie > > > My sources for the correct answers were: 752 - S Gaugian, Jan/Feb > 1993, page 43. 755 - S Gaugian, Nov/Dec 1992, page 36. > > Thanks to all who played! > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30480	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!!

Tim... I thought my answers were good too.... green and blue roofs... 2 and 3 button.... But OH WELL.... I will try again.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <bull_gator_1@...> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!! > So what, my answer as to the price difference is chopped liver? Am I invisible? > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bull_gator_1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:17 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Contest - No Winner Yet!!!! > > > So far no one has given the correct answers. I'll give a hint - I'm > looking for specific, significant design differences. The number of > buttons on the controllers may be part of the answer, but not the > SPECIFIC answer. > > Another hint - go read the early 1980s S Gaugian magazines and you'll > find the answers. > > Good luck and keep trying!! > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30481	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: York Location

I finally received my confirmation from TCA Eastern. Joes Train Repair will be located in EE-08 in the Orange Hall, the same as last October. Stop by the booth and say hello. I am the one without the beard!! I will not be available to meet during daytime hours because of the booth. One possibility would be Alexanders (not too far from the Fairgrounds; right around the corner from Maple Doughnuts) on Thursday at 6 pm (before the Gilbert Get Together at 9 pm). Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30482	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30483	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Oops

Between this badge and the secret code the Baltimore AF Club has to say to get into Metro's (Washington DC Subway) Rodeo, I am all set to get into the White House! O:)! The secret code for all, is to approach the security station, dim your light and say, I am with BAFC, and they will let you in! I didn't know that being into S gauge had so much power in today's world. Now, if I can find my Tootsietoy secret police badge, I will really be set! Just being loony, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oops > Sorry, I forgot to paste the link in. The link for the S-Trains > badge is: > > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm > > Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30484	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Atlas TT & Roundhouse

Has anyone converted the Atlas turntable and Roundhouse to S Gauge? What is involved in the conversion? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30485	From: stan9432	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: set boxes

Hi i was wondering if anyone makes reproduction set boxes, and if so how much are they?? thanks stan sobieski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30486	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: SHS

Hi Folks I just received my copy of the TCA's The Train Collectors Quarterly.There is an interesting interview of Don Thompson and SHS by Bruce D. Manson. I learned a few things that makes me even more appreciative of Don, Robin and Mikes hard work in producing an excellent line of trains for us S railroaders. Thanks Guys John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30487	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS

Can you give us a hint? gary On 4/4/04 7:21 PM, "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> wrote: > Hi Folks > > I just received my copy of the TCA's The Train Collectors Quarterly.There > is an interesting > interview of Don Thompson and SHS by Bruce D. Manson. I learned a few > things that makes > me even more appreciative of Don, Robin and Mikes hard work in producing an > excellent line > of trains for us S railroaders. > Thanks Guys > John Foley > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30488	From: waldootten	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Looking for Greenberg AF Catalog book

Looking for a decent copy of Greenberg's book of American Flyer Catalogues 1946-1955. Include condition and asking price. Please respond through an off-line email. Thanks. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30489	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Speaking of Greenberg......

According to an ad in CTT,......the Greenberg AF pocket guide is sold out!!! Which, could be a GOOD thing,...meaning a lot of S er's bought the guide.... OR,...Greenberg only made a few copies!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30490	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 4/4/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......

Hi all, We still have some... Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains San Antonio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Speaking of Greenberg...... > According to an ad in CTT,......the Greenberg AF pocket guide is sold out!!! > Which, could be a GOOD thing,...meaning a lot of S er's bought the guide.... > OR,...Greenberg only made a few copies!!! > > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30491	From: John Frankforther	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......

It's probably all those OTHER people that are NOT S gaugers on EBay driving the prices of parts and rolling stock sky high!! ---- Original Message ---- From: bassflyer@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Speaking of Greenberg...... Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:57:36 -0700 >According to an ad in CTT,......the Greenberg AF pocket guide is sold >out!!! >Which, could be a GOOD thing,...meaning a lot of S er's bought the >guide.... >OR,...Greenberg only made a few copies!!! > > >Rick. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >This message was scanned by GatewayDefender >12:58:24 AM ET - 4/5/2004

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30492	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Saturday Night's Contest Outcome

Hello All, There were 24 responses to Saturday night's contest. I was watching the NCAA tournament during the contest and did not respond to anyone's guesses during the contest. I'll try to be more responsive next time! The hardest part of the contest was identifing the most "significant" difference between the 755 and 755A talking stations. Most of the answers detailed the various cosmetic changes such as roof colors, type of roof paint, type of decals, window trim, etc. The "significant" change was the addition of the resistor that "locked" the e-unit. We discussed this at last night's chat and no one could remember having seen a talking station without a resistor. It appears the resistor was added in 1951 when the model number was changed to 755A - based on the 1951 catalog description of the "new" 755A. Bob has asked me to post another contest question this coming Saturday evening. He will be posting the prize sometime this week. So start reading through those AF reference books to get ready for another tough AF trivia contest!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30493	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg......

***(((It's probably all those OTHER people that are NOT S gaugers on EBay driving the prices of parts and rolling stock sky high!!)))*** Hmmmmm.....good possibility! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30494	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models update

Hi All, Production for the Railway Express is starting in the next 2 weeks. Dan and I had a phone meeting this morning about production. We were roughing in quantities to build of each version. It has been a while since we have had interaction with our customers. We are planning on doing a mailing with the following, but email is faster. Please reply to Dan dmastro@... and I if you have a car on order and: 1. You want to keep the order as is. 2. You want to change/ or cancel your order 3. Now that we have approved production, you want to place a new order. You can download a PDF order form from our website. Dan can confirm what you have on order. Remember that once a version ships there will be a substantial price increase for new orders. We are locking in the final production quantity of the REA version this week. Please pass this information on to anyone you know that has a car on order and may not have email. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30495	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: My "Oh Brother" layout.......

...is on hold until after the Easter layout is packed up. Anyone know of "S" scale prison figures? You know, the old white w/black stripes suits? Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30496	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......

Sorry, Rick, I only know of ones in black suits w/ white stripes ;<) Dick Aurora, OH At 04:36 PM 4/5/2004, Rick Evans wrote: >...is on hold until after the Easter layout is packed up. >Anyone know of "S" scale prison figures? You know, the old white w/black >stripes suits? > > >Thanks, > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30497	From: jackotrains	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: K-Line :S" Tankers-Trucks

On one of my K-line "S" tank cars, one of the wheels came off and I un-screwed the truck from the frame, re-installed the wheel and tried to screw down the truck. The screw just keeps turning. What does this screw go into, is it just screwed into the plastic?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30498	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......

RICK.... Don't know about the figures... But I have A real Georgia BALL AND CHAIN here in my office.... and it is heavy... If you want to stop by you can model it!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My "Oh Brother" layout....... > ...is on hold until after the Easter layout is packed up. > Anyone know of "S" scale prison figures? You know, the old white w/black stripes suits? > > > Thanks, > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30499	From: waldootten	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too

> It's probably all those OTHER people that are NOT S gaugers on EBay > driving the prices of parts and rolling stock sky high!! ******************************************************************** "Sky high." I guess that's pretty good for longtime S Gaugers selling stuff they bought very cheap years ago, right? But why would "all those OTHER people that are NOT S gaugers" be buying Flyer, then, if they aren't S gaugers? And who or what determines whether a person is an S gauger or not? If you buy and/or collect or run S gauge stuff, I guess you're in. To my knowledge there are no requirements as to a person's motivation for buying/collecting/operating S trains to be considered an S Gauger. Some people apparently still want to keep collecting S gauge a closed "good old boys' club" but that is impossible. So I guess I'm one of those "OTHER people" you're talking about. I got back into Flyer and S about three years ago and it was a conscious choice by me to do so -- and I'm not complaining about the prices I paid and will continue to pay. I guess it's a supply and demand thing in a free market economy. If I think something is too expensive, I don't buy it. Simple as that. We've had this same discussion here many times. No one is being forced to buy on eBay, it's merely one option. I also buy from private parties and at train shows and still get some pretty good deals. Some S Gaugers live in areas where there are no train shows or sales and have no options to acquire S train stuff other than eBay. In fact, I believe eBay and the Internet should get a lot of credit for helping S Gauge grow the last few years. I buy things from sellers on the web all the time -- and use sites like this one to get a world of useful "help" information I would never have access to any other way. I live in the Chicago area and it's tough to find a hobby shop with a decent supply of S. I imagine it's tougher for others who don't live in or near a major city. I hear guys at my train clubs talking about getting $550 for a 336 Northern they bought years ago for less than $100. They're certainly not complaining about the current prices. What's a particular piece actually worth? Greenberg and the TM guide are merely guidelines. A piece is actually worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Period. And like everyone else, I hope the value of my purchases continues to go up -- or at least stays the same. But that's a calculated risk I'm willing to take to be part of the S Gauge scene. I'm in it for my own reasons -- foremost because I enjoy it. I'm not a complainer. Like many others here, I'm doing whatever I can to grow the S hobby. My company donated $1,500 worth of art and advertising design work to the NASG last fall and will do it again if asked. I am an active member of the TCA, NASG and CASG and am willing to volunteer my time and resources as needed. So instead of spending time complaining about "sky high" prices, why don't all of us focus our efforts more on growing the hobby? I see the TCA is doing a special commemorative anniversary train set -- but it is only available in O gauge 3 rail. As a TCA member, that offends me. But if we all work together, maybe we can change such things for the future. Long live S! Respectfully, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30500	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: TCA

Hi Folks If any of you folks would like to join the TCA I would be willing to print out the applications and sign them as a recommender. Problem is you need two recommender's. I can mail it to another TCA member who could sign them then send them along. Maybe one of our manufacturers may be interested. Let's get some more S Railroaders in the TCA. TCA website http://www.traincollectors.org/ John Foley NASG promotions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30501	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: 755A

"The 755A had a resistor to stop the engine without cycling the reverse unit. The 755 required locking the reverse unit" Can anyone tell me why the HO version of the talking station has this resistor? Do the HO engines run on AC and have a reversing unit? I have the HO talking station.It looks like the 764 Express Office.I stupidly threw away the original box and instruction when I was a kid. I was also wondering if this talking station could have also been sold as an S accessory?Mine came with a track terminal that could only be used on S track.It has a patent date of 1950 so it is not O gauge.The one other thing that is different,is the record is shorter than the records for the 755.When I use a replacement record,the train leaves the station before the record is finished.With the original (very scratched)record the train and record are synchronized. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30502	From: waldootten	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too

>>>>The point I was trying to make is that people who would not normally buy or own AF stuff are picking up the Greenberg books to see if they can turn a buck knowing that this stuff is collectable. I have bought from several people on EBay and they didn't know 2 cents about what they were selling. When asked specific questions about what I was buying they replied "I don't collect or own trains, so just look at the pictures and decide for your self" As far as any previous discussions on here, I am new to this group so forgive me for rehashing this argument. John<<<<< ******************************************************************** No problem at all, John -- and welcome to this group. You'll find S Gaugers of all different shapes and sizes here, yet everyone shares the obvious common thread -- a tendency to drool while discussing the topic. ;-) And of course, contributions are welcome from everyone, whether they be questions from new S Gaugers or advice and answers from the grizzled veteran Flyer crowd. Many of the S Gauge manufacturers frequent this site, as do acknowledged experts on everything Flyer. A finer resource does not exist. I'd suggest in your spare time to go back to the beginning and begin reading all of the posts -- buried therein is a wealth of information (and opinion) on anything even remotely associated with our hobby. And not only is much of it interesting, it can be pretty entertaining at times, too. Yes, in your post you "rehashed" an ongoing theme here, but a salient one that needs to be revisted occasionally as new members enter Paul's Portal. You also touched another hot button -- unscrupulous eBay sellers who throw up some extremely poor pictures of an item, say the pictures tell the story, utilize the universal cop-out ("I don't know anything about trains, but I will set a reserve price and offer this as-is."), claim to use TCA grading standards ("Minty") and so on. This site also has served as a clearing house to expose eBay sellers who lean toward the shady side -- so the rest of us can avoid them. For instance, Mike Marmer had a recent diatribe after a TCA member sold him an engine that was very much less than described. As a result, we now have the choice to avoid this seller in the future. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30503	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too

Hear hear!!! Well Said Phil! Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30504	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/5/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

John I will sign any that send them to me. Bob Persing 90-32321 John A Foley <john.foley16@...> wrote:Hi Folks If any of you folks would like to join the TCA I would be willing to print out the applications and sign them as a recommender. Problem is you need two recommender's. I can mail it to another TCA member who could sign them then send them along. Maybe one of our manufacturers may be interested. Let's get some more S Railroaders in the TCA. TCA website http://www.traincollectors.org/ John Foley NASG promotions. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30505	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line :S" Tankers-Trucks

You have to remove the tank from the frame. This will reveal a tiny nut that captures the screw. If you lost it you will need a replacement from a hobby store or other place that sells small hardware. I was lucky and didn't lose mine while it was apart. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line :S" Tankers-Trucks > On one of my K-line "S" tank cars, one of the wheels came off and I > un-screwed the truck from the frame, re-installed the wheel and > tried to screw down the truck. The screw just keeps turning. What > does this screw go into, is it just screwed into the plastic? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30506	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......

Rick, That sounds like a fun idea. I just saw that movie the other day for the first time. I love the scene in the beginning when they try to hop a freight train. The first two guys get on, but the last guy trips and falls. Since they are all chained together they all get jerked out of the boxcar. Sounds like a good idea for a action accessory. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > ...is on hold until after the Easter layout is packed up. > Anyone know of "S" scale prison figures? You know, the old white w/black stripes suits? > > > Thanks, > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30507	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: Speaking of Greenberg...... and eBay, too

If it weren't for Ebay, this person who normally wouldn't buy "S" gauge, wouldn't have any "S" gauge! For the most part all of my trains run on three rails. But as a kid, I did have a Game Train in the '60s. It was the search for all the missing pieces on Ebay that got me started on Flyer in general. I have aquirred a Pikemaster set from Ebay and just the otherday an old set with a 303 from a friend at work. I'll most likely pick up a Greenburg guide at the next train show I go to because I don't know 2 cents worth about Flyer. I'm not concerned with how collectable a piece is or how "mint" it is because I like to play with my trains. The guides are just that, guides. I buy what I like and what I think I can afford. Doesn't matter if it comes from Ebay or a show or a friend. I don't think I have $150.00 invested in the flyer I own so far. Same rule applies to all of my trains, no matter how many rails they run on! I'm going to depend on all of you to keep me in the know about American Flyer! From what I've seen of this list so far, there is a lot of knowledge out there and a willingness to share it. Thanks for that! Having said all that, can anyone point me to a parts diagram for the Seaboard brakeman boxcar? Sorry I don't remember tha number and I don't have it in front of me. Thanks, Sully waldootten <waldootten@...> wrote: >>>>The point I was trying to make is that people who would not normally buy or own AF stuff are picking up the Greenberg books to see if they can turn a buck knowing that this stuff is collectable. I have bought from several people on EBay and they didn't know 2 cents about what they were selling. When asked specific questions about what I was buying they replied "I don't collect or own trains, so just look at the pictures and decide for your self" As far as any previous discussions on here, I am new to this group so forgive me for rehashing this argument. John<<<<< ******************************************************************** No problem at all, John -- and welcome to this group. You'll find S Gaugers of all different shapes and sizes here, yet everyone shares the obvious common thread -- a tendency to drool while discussing the topic. ;-) And of course, contributions are welcome from everyone, whether they be questions from new S Gaugers or advice and answers from the grizzled veteran Flyer crowd. Many of the S Gauge manufacturers frequent this site, as do acknowledged experts on everything Flyer. A finer resource does not exist. I'd suggest in your spare time to go back to the beginning and begin reading all of the posts -- buried therein is a wealth of information (and opinion) on anything even remotely associated with our hobby. And not only is much of it interesting, it can be pretty entertaining at times, too. Yes, in your post you "rehashed" an ongoing theme here, but a salient one that needs to be revisted occasionally as new members enter Paul's Portal. You also touched another hot button -- unscrupulous eBay sellers who throw up some extremely poor pictures of an item, say the pictures tell the story, utilize the universal cop-out ("I don't know anything about trains, but I will set a reserve price and offer this as-is."), claim to use TCA grading standards ("Minty") and so on. This site also has served as a clearing house to expose eBay sellers who lean toward the shady side -- so the rest of us can avoid them. For instance, Mike Marmer had a recent diatribe after a TCA member sold him an engine that was very much less than described. As a result, we now have the choice to avoid this seller in the future. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30508	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2238

Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:26:47 -0600 (CST) From: bellokdaka@... Subject: 915 Auto Unloading Car Could someone that has one of these handy give me a little information about the Renwal gasoline truck that came with this unloading car. 1- What is the length of this truck bumper to bumper? 2- Were the wheels, tires, and axle a one piece plastic part and are they known to come in a variety of colors? 3- On the inside of the truck did they carry the Renwal name and was there a model number? 4- Are reproductions of this truck available and if so is there any way to identify them from the originals? Thanks in advance. Oh Boy!..Trains!....................Herky..1950 Obie Bell 915 auto-unloading car RENWAL tank truck. Length 4 1/4" long Black or white plastic wheels on steel axle Trucks came in various colors and in configured as a grocery van, these were a standard production run from RENWAL, marked ( a Renwal product no made u.s.a. in the top inside. Renwal produced many small plastic toys. ORIGINAL LOAD is the tank truck with silver painted trim, grill running boards, tool boxes,bumpers, filler cabs and gasoline symbol. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30509	From: roy inman	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: My "Oh Brother" layout.......

As S folks from Texas already know, much of the equipment used in that scene was from the Texas State Railroad. The locomotive was from somewhere else. Anyone know who owed the loco? Just BTW, that excursion operation is a fun ride, running as it does through the Texas woods from Rush to Palestine. Just BTEW, a local modeler has "kitbashed" several people for me over the years, creating beings that are not available commercially. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Steve Blancard <splitdorf@...> > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:16:27 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My "Oh Brother" layout....... > > Since they are all chained together they all get > jerked out of the boxcar.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30510	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: The "Oh Brother" train....

For those that care, and don't want to go to the site, I found the following..... "Stan Garner of The Train Source, Inc. was the Train Coordinator. The train is featured in the opening sequence. It was shot on the Columbus & Greenville Railway near Leland, MS and consists of Dardanelle & Russellville Railroad Locomotive #4 from North Dardanelle, Arkansas (Baldwin 2-6-2 built in 1913, W.T. Carter & Brother #4, Reader RR #4). The stock car (CB&Q), tank car (Superior Oil) and outside braced box car (NP) came from the Texas State Railroad at Rusk Texas. The hopper car, steel box car and flat car are from the C&G Railway and the wood caboose is from the Reader Railroad at Reader, Arkansas. Everything, except the C&G equipment, was brought to the C&G at Greenville, MS by truck. The locomotive, hero box car and caboose are lettered for the historic Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad, also known as "The Yellow Dog" (Yellow Dog Blues, W.C.Handy). The last line of the song goes "... he's gone where the Southern cross the Yellow Dog." That's at Morehead, MS about 20 miles east of the film location on the C&G (Southern). The diamond is still there. The hand car sequence shown was filmed on the Kansas City Southerns' Shreveport, LA to Jackson, MS main at Edwards, MS. The hand car is now owned by The Train Source, Inc." Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30511	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: TCA

Hi Folks Okay I have some volunteers to co-sign TCA applications. So if you are interested in joining the TCA send me your street address and We will get one to you. send it to john.foley16@... I will accept addresses until Wednesday April 14th John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30512	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: "Oh Oh"...Daddy had to take over.....

Well I guess this explains why Sabrina hasnt been around ..Looks like she couldnt cut it ...and Dad has had to step in ...LOL..He wants everything but the claims dept ... RFGCO.com would like to announce the acquisition of the assets of GilbertHo.com. Traffic from the GilbertHo.com Website will be redirected to RFGCO.com.The GilbertHO.com online ordering Shopping Cart has been suspended. Orders should be placed at the RFGCO.com Online Catalog. RFGCO.com plans to incorporate some of the GilbertHo.com products into the RFGCO.com catalog. Watch for product announcements. GilbertHO.com Dealers should direct inquiries to dealerservices@..., for information relating to dealer status, terms and conditions. Questions on orders or claims prior to 04/06/04, should be directed to GilbertHO.com and not RFGCO.com. RFGCO.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30513	From: waldootten	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Flyer in the movies

Just caught (again) "The Shadow of the Thin Man" (William Powell, Myrna Loy) -- released in 1936. At the beginning of the movie they had a nighttime view of a steam train barreling across open country and daylight scenes of an arrival at San Francisco. It was obviously a real train in the daylight station arrival scene (not hard to shoot in 1936), but the night scene was obviously a model -- a steamer with passenger cars with clerestory roofs. Many of the cars were totally dark, one was totally lit and you could see silhouettes like on Flyer cars. Maybe it was wishful viewing on my part, but it sure looked like a Flyer passenger set. I don't know that much about prewar stuff, but did Flyer make such passenger cars around 1936? I know they made steam locos because I have several, but don't know the dates. Just wondering. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30514	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: 770/775 loading platform

What is the difference between the 770 and 775 loader? Is it just milk cans versus packages or are there other differences? Also, is there a specific baggage or freight car that is suppose to be used with it? Thanks, Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30515	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: TCA Quarterly and S-Helper

If you haven't seen it yet, open it up and read the interview by Bruce Manson with Don Thompson. Absolutely wonderful. Just like everything Don is involved in, it is first class again. (am I a suck up or what Don?) Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30516	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York List and Meetings

Hi All, There are currently 20 people from our list attending York. The list follows. The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. See you in York ....Barb Attendees: Tim Brown Clay Buckage Bill Clark Bob Conner Walt Danylak Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 John Foley - Friday Only Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 Al Kielek Gene Knight Mike Malmer - Friday Only Bill McKie Doug Peck Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. Mark Preman Don Rosa Barb Rudnicki - That's Me Chris Zizzo - Friday Only

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30517	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings

In a message dated 04/06/2004 4:18:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rcespeak@... writes: Attendees: Tim Brown Clay Buckage Bill Clark Bob Conner Walt Danylak Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 John Foley - Friday Only Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 Al Kielek Gene Knight Mike Malmer - Friday Only Bill McKie Doug Peck Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. Mark Preman Don Rosa Barb Rudnicki - That's Me Chris Zizzo - Friday Only Quite a rogues gallery. Watch yourself Barb! Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30518	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings

Please add Don and Robin Thompson of S Helper Service, Orange Hall, booth DD04 Don PS Also, the TCA Museum, Thursday morning. boss31@... wrote: >In a message dated 04/06/2004 4:18:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >rcespeak@... writes: >Attendees: > >Tim Brown >Clay Buckage >Bill Clark >Bob Conner >Walt Danylak >Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 >John Foley - Friday Only >Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. >Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 >Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 >Al Kielek >Gene Knight >Mike Malmer - Friday Only >Bill McKie >Doug Peck >Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. >Mark Preman >Don Rosa >Barb Rudnicki - That's Me >Chris Zizzo - Friday Only > >Quite a rogues gallery. Watch yourself Barb! > >Steve > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30519	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings

Barb, I forgive for spelling my name wrong. O:)! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > Hi All, > > There are currently 20 people from our list attending > York. The list follows. > > The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert > Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. > > Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer > between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we > can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time > away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. > > So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your > S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. > > See you in York ....Barb > > Attendees: > > Tim Brown > Clay Buckage > Bill Clark > Bob Conner > Walt Danylak > Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 > John Foley - Friday Only > Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. > Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 > Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 > Al Kielek > Gene Knight > Mike Malmer - Friday Only > Bill McKie > Doug Peck > Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. > Mark Preman > Don Rosa > Barb Rudnicki - That's Me > Chris Zizzo - Friday Only > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30520	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings

Mike... It was on purpose.... remember you are a WANTED Fellow in Pa. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And she figured to hide you.... We will look for you in the RED DRESS and SUN GLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...>; "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > Barb, > > I forgive for spelling my name wrong. O:)! > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > > > > Hi All, > > > > There are currently 20 people from our list attending > > York. The list follows. > > > > The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert > > Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. > > > > Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer > > between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we > > can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time > > away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. > > > > So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your > > S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. > > > > See you in York ....Barb > > > > Attendees: > > > > Tim Brown > > Clay Buckage > > Bill Clark > > Bob Conner > > Walt Danylak > > Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 > > John Foley - Friday Only > > Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. > > Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 > > Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 > > Al Kielek > > Gene Knight > > Mike Malmer - Friday Only > > Bill McKie > > Doug Peck > > Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. > > Mark Preman > > Don Rosa > > Barb Rudnicki - That's Me > > Chris Zizzo - Friday Only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30521	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30522	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: York List and Meetings

Bob, You are right, as now I am a wanted criminal in Florida, since, we who went to U of MD, can't stand Florida State, too! O:)! Joe H. favorite team, FSU! O:)! I will be wearing the same attire of what Tim Brown will be wearing by that crab cake stand. Hope the crab meat is from Maryland. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...>; "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > Mike... It was on purpose.... remember you are a WANTED Fellow in Pa. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And she figured to hide you.... We will look for > you in the RED DRESS and SUN GLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...>; "Barbara > Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > > > > Barb, > > > > I forgive for spelling my name wrong. O:)! > > > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> > > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <af2rail@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:53 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] York List and Meetings > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > There are currently 20 people from our list attending > > > York. The list follows. > > > > > > The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert > > > Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. > > > > > > Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer > > > between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we > > > can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time > > > away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. > > > > > > So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your > > > S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. > > > > > > See you in York ....Barb > > > > > > Attendees: > > > > > > Tim Brown > > > Clay Buckage > > > Bill Clark > > > Bob Conner > > > Walt Danylak > > > Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 > > > John Foley - Friday Only > > > Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. > > > Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 > > > Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 > > > Al Kielek > > > Gene Knight > > > Mike Malmer - Friday Only > > > Bill McKie > > > Doug Peck > > > Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. > > > Mark Preman > > > Don Rosa > > > Barb Rudnicki - That's Me > > > Chris Zizzo - Friday Only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30523	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York

You forgot me, will be in the Silver Hall, opposite corner of hall from registration desk.  End tables, next to last row, with Jim Patterson & Jack Fazenbaker. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30524	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: York list and Meetings

Hi All, There are currently 20 people from our list attending York. The list follows. The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. See you in York ....Barb Attendees: Tim Brown Clay Buckage Bill Clark Bob Conner Walt Danylak Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 John Foley - Friday Only Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 Al Kielek Gene Knight Mike Malmer - Friday Only Bill McKie Doug Peck Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. Mark Preman Don Rosa Barb Rudnicki - That's Me Chris Zizzo - Friday Only

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30525	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Re: 770/775 loading platform

Steve: to answer your second question, the platforms work with the 732 baggage car, 734 action box car, and 974 action box car. The milk cans do not work well. The merchandise cubes do work quite well. Any action box car with those little rollers on the ramp will work. Unfortunately, Gilbert simplified the design of the ramp in the action mechanism with the 973 milk car and subsequent action cars to replace the rollers with a flat tinplate surface. Cars of this type do not work reliably with the platforms, in my experience. Of course, Gilbert wasn't making the platform any more by then. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30526	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: "Oh Brother" train in the movie.

Roy wrote: **((((As S folks from Texas already know, much of the equipment used in that scene was from the Texas State Railroad. The locomotive was from somewhere else. Anyone know who owed the loco?)))** I found this site,.... http://www.movie-trains.com/ .....Stan Garner is an actor and was the train coordinator for the "Oh Brother" movie. I haven't checked out this site much as of yet....but sure will!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.com)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53427-2004Apr5.html Article about FTC regulation and collectables. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30528	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Happy news on my model railroad

Good morning! I have been working for the past few weeks to erect a 'wall' in my basement to separate the trains from my two new cats. I put a 1 * 4 on the floor and then built empty panels out of 1*2 lumber to fill the space to the rafters. Then I covered each 4-foot wide panel with chicken wire. The panels are just pegged in place so they are easily removed. (And a good thing as one area is otherwise only accessible by crawling. This will change in a year or two.) The panels are very light. By being filled with chicken wire they also allow the wind to blow so air circulation is not an issue. Plus I can see and talk to people on the other side. (Chicken wire is also much more stiff than I would have expected. Once the chicken wire is attached, the panels do not flex.) My two young cats have been watching me with great interest. Willaby has helping with the drilling by wraps herself and her tail around me as soon as I pick up the drill. She gets lots of petting but the wall doesn't get done. Annie, meanwhile, is just too busy sniffing everything, climbing in and through everything, and prodding with her paws. Callie, the 18 year old cat who died last year, used only the 'cat walks' I installed for her. She never even walked on the layout. She never disturbed anything. These two young whipper-snappers never walk. They run and play and make a big mess as all small children do. Good thing I have the wall. I have a bridge in one section so I can get into the layout area. Here I installed a 36 inch wide screen door which I cut down 6 1/2 inches. (Actually I cut it 10 inches, discovered I cut it too short, so I put back several inches.) Richard of the S/Sn3 Modeler's Guide told me to make the door 36 inches wide. Last night I finished the last panel. The cats, for the first time, really noticed the wall. After the panel went in, I started cleaning. The 'assistants' were on the other side of the wall. For fun I tried to close the bridge. It is hinged on one end and drops into a slot on the other. All of the framing I put in for the door has greatly strengthened the bridge's supports and approaches. However it also narrowed the gap by an eighth of an inch. So I took the bridge apart and shortened it. (I never glue or nail anything. I use lots of screws instead.) I returned the AF track to the bridge and the first section of the restored layout is back -- all six feet of it. I plan to continue to go around the room. I am cleaning the track as I go and checking it all out, using both scale and AF trucks for testing. Soon I hope to put a locomotive on the rails. It has been a long time since I last ran a train. And well over a year since I last ran one at a speed below 100 scale miles per hour. With clean track I hope to run a nice, slow, prototypical train. Once it all runs and the train 'room' is clean, I plan to replace the track on the bridge and approaches with either hand-laid or SHS flex track. (I have both in stock, I will use up the stock.) More hand laid will follow plus a slow migration from K-Line curves (27 inches) to 42 inch radius curves on the mainline. A nice side effect of our recent purchase of a minivan is bringing home lumber. I reuse lumber and am normally very cheap. But with 8 foot lumber, getting the stuff home was so hard I would often forgo when I should have gone. Life is good. I hope your projects are making progress as good as mine! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30529	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Badges/York_S_Badge.jpg Uploaded by : schnoodely_odiliy_o <busyboy@...> Description : 2004 Spring York Badge to Print You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Badges/York_S_Badge.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, schnoodely_odiliy_o <busyboy@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30530	From: Chris	Date: 4/6/2004
Subject: Badges? We don' need no stinkin' badges!

In the interests of everyone meeting each other at York, I have taken the extreme liberty of modifying Paul Yorke's famous and fabulous S- Badge for the occasion and have uploaded it to the files area. Click on files, then look for the "Badges" folder. I also uploaded it to the pictures section, but what a quality difference! It's positively ugly there. Once you find it in the files, just print it out. It will fit into one of those plastic badgeholders that multiply like coat hangers. I'm sure you have one or a dozen. Paul, I hope you find that I done you proud. What the hey, you didn't copyright it! Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30531	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: did you know

rececently followed up on a auction advertisement BIDVILLE AUCTION .COM AND GUESS WHAT I NOTICED----FREELISTINGS AND THERE ARE TRAINS ON IT . WELL I'LL BE! bye bye ebay AND hello BIdville THIS SItitE IS A BIG BREAK FROM EBAYS CHATTER. every oine look into it. lets get the s-gauge there claim our territory today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30532	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.

"Register Now. It's Free and It's Required." Yea right. Sounds like they have an attitude. I'll pass. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30533	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Redesign of the #5 switch

Dear Don: Your latest newsletter says you are redesigning the #5 switch from a 5 inch spacing to a 3 1/2 inch track spacing. I applaud the change as it will make yards more productive. May I suggest you also include 'cut lines' in the frame to make it easy to build a 2 3/4 inch crossover? Then two of your switches could be used to build a tight crossover on an NASG module. Thorin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30534	From: race944t	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: 24403 IL Reefer

I have recently come across an IL Reefer 24403. Common car, right? When I went to clean it I noticed the catwalk was tan as compared to the orange color of the car. After saying a couple of nasty words I happened to notice the number board on the ends of the car. Same tan color. Then I noticed the platform next to the ladder on one end, same tan color . . . I think all I have here is a car that someone decided to practice their painting skills on but I thought I would put it out here to see if I'm a millionaire. What ya say folks, can I retire? Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30535	From: theheadliner	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: did you know

Sounds like an ok place to buy, but you couldn't catch me dead selling there. As a retired antiques and estates auctioneer I always told my sellers that it is not what an auctioneer charges that is important, it is what he sells an item for. The reason people sell on eBay is because they have the volume of buyers to get good prices. What good is an auction site that lets you sell free (temporarily until the become established) if they don't have enough bidders to get you a decent price. Look at Yahoo Auctions, ubid, atozBid, et. al. None of them have enough buyers to get steady good prices, I tried them. You get a fraction of what you get on eBay if you sell honestly with no reserve. However, they are not really a good place to buy, because almost everyone who sells there uses a reserve equal to "book" price. --- On Tue 04/06, polpolk9 < polpolk9@... > wrote: From: polpolk9 [mailto: polpolk9@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:40:28 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] did you know rececently followed up on a auction advertisement BIDVILLE AUCTION .COM AND GUESS WHAT I NOTICED----FREELISTINGS AND THERE ARE TRAINS ON IT . WELL I'LL BE! bye bye ebay AND hello BIdville THIS SItitE IS A BIG BREAK FROM EBAYS CHATTER. every oine look into it. lets get the s-gauge there claim our territory today! _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30536	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re:

Mike... It was on purpose.... remember you are a WANTED Fellow in Pa. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And she figured to hide you.... We will look for you in the RED DRESS and SUN GLASSES!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 Mike may be wanted in Pa. BUT he is a great host. On my trip to York last Oct. I stopped in German town MD. Mike and his wife escorted my wife and I on a bike trip along the C & O Canal, a fantastic experience as mike is very knowledgeable in the history of the Canal, the weather was perfect, the trees were in color. He also has a excellent collection of Flyer trains. I will be expecting similar hosts on my trip to Florida next Jan. ? Barb? Bob? There ARE real good people behind the E-mail we receive and it's fun to meet and connect the names with real people. sorry I am going to miss York this year, Have a good time and find lots of treasures. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30537	From: David Engle	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: 24403 IL Reefer

What tan car would ACG have repainted to get this? -----Original Message----- From: race944t [mailto:race944t@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 24403 IL Reefer I have recently come across an IL Reefer 24403. Common car, right? When I went to clean it I noticed the catwalk was tan as compared to the orange color of the car. After saying a couple of nasty words I happened to notice the number board on the ends of the car. Same tan color. Then I noticed the platform next to the ladder on one end, same tan color . . . I think all I have here is a car that someone decided to practice their painting skills on but I thought I would put it out here to see if I'm a millionaire. What ya say folks, can I retire? Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30538	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.

Mike, I believe all newspapers are now doing this and it is harmless, as I have been registered on the Washington Post for a long time and I don't get emails from them or nor do they send your address to others. You may be overreacting to a good source of information on the web, but I understand, people weariness of such things. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Collectors Want More, Not Less, FTC Regulation (washingtonpost.com) > "Register Now. It's Free and It's Required." > > Yea right. Sounds like they have an attitude. I'll pass. > > Michael > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30539	From: Tim	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Fw: Printing out decals

Hi, This is my second attempt to get this message posted to this list. The first attempt still has not been posted after 2 hours. Thanks, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-List Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Printing out decals Does anyone on the list know of a source for opaque color ink cartridges for a computer printer? To my knowledge, they all use translucent color ink, which is fine for printing onto paper stock. However, I'm trying to make my own decals and I find that the lighter colors, such as yellow don't work very well. They come out of the printer looking just fine, but are too translucent when applied. I've tried running the decal sheet through the printer multiple times and the printer hits the mark every time, but the color is still too translucent, no matter the saturation. I've tried using opaque white decal paper, but I want clear decals. To date, my solution is to hand letter over the decal once it's on the car with opaque ink and an 18-0 detail brush. There's got to be a better and easier way! Thanks for any help I may receive, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30540	From: Tim	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Printing out decals

Does anyone on the list know of a source for opaque color ink cartridges for a computer printer? To my knowledge, they all use translucent color ink, which is fine for printing onto paper stock. However, I'm trying to make my own decals and I find that the lighter colors, such as yellow don't work very well. They come out of the printer looking just fine, but are too translucent when applied. I've tried running the decal sheet through the printer multiple times and the printer hits the mark every time, but the color is still too translucent, no matter the saturation. I've tried using opaque white decal paper, but I want clear decals. To date, my solution is to hand letter over the decal once it's on the car with opaque ink and an 18-0 detail brush. There's got to be a better and easier way! Thanks for any help I may receive, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30541	From: doug	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: York

Just received our York confirmation. We'll be in PURPLE, booth AA-04, on Friday and Saturday. Anyone who has asked us to deliver something to them at York should find us there.... Happy hunting ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30542	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Meeting others on S list

Thanks Jerry for the kind words you wrote, as my wife and I had a great time with Jerry and his wife, Thelma, and his friends Joan and Ed, as they were staying in a campground near our home. We met them for dinner and then they came over to see my collection, as we spent about 4 hours together. The next day, we all went bike riding on the C&O Canal, as I do have a great passion for that Canal, for the history and the outdoors on it. We had a great ride, as I showed them the Great Falls. They invited my wife and me, to the campground that night for a hotdog cookout, as we got there at 7 and stayed till midnight, as we all were having a great time, getting to know all about each other and other things. We really had a great time with them, as I hope we hope to see the Dobbs again in the future, on a trip to York or us a trip to CO, as the Convention is in Denver in 2007. We also had a great visit back in 2001 with Rance Velapoldi from Norway, who actually was a neighbor of mine for about 16 years in Gaithersburg, MD, as we live in Germantown, the next town above Gaithersburg, on I-270. We had a great visit with Rance, as we had dinner with him as I showed him my collection before dinner. We got to learn about many things about Rance too. So I highly recommend trying to visit others on the list, as I have done many emails in private to many on this list and on the TCA list and have made many email friendships. So, that is a positve about the internet, as I have made many friendships on some other non train Yahoo groups I am on, especially in folk music. Made many email friendship and again, visits from some, as they attended concerts in the area of DC. One come all the way from Buffalo, NY for a show! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30543	From: Mike Vana	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: American Flyer 470-471-473 variations

Last week when there was a discussion about the Santa Fe 470-471-473 set on Ebay with 4 passenger cars, it seemed like the opinion was that it was a 1955 set. But the A units had the Santa Fe emblem on the cab, so I wonder if it was a 1956 or 1957 set, missing the second dome car, or an uncataloged set with just four cars. Too bad the label was ripped, with the set number missing. I have never seen many 470-471-473 sets, and have just one set myself. From what I've noticed, they could be different for every year made, as follows: 1953 - Chrome finish, "Chief" on front, "American Flyer Lines" on the sides 1954 - same escept for a satin silver finish 1955 - "Santa Fe" emblem on the front and sides 1956 - same but has Santa Fe emblems under the cab windows 1957 - same as 1956 but would have steps held on with 1 rivet instead of 2 1958 - probably left over 1957 stock, otherwise they would have made 21902's Then there is the 470 pictured in the Greenberg book with the cast in steps that they thought might have been a replacement shell. But is the list above right? My set, with Santa Fe lettering, and no emblems under the A unit cab windows, was made in 1955. I think that I had the B unit apart to disconnect that buzzer - er, diesel roar - and saw a date. Just think, if you collect variations, you could end up with perhaps 15 different units. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30544	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/7/2004
Subject: Re: York list and Meetings

Good evening, folks - There is a VERY slight possibility I can join you at the show. I'm checking on my work schedule and on a room, and I'll let you know. I'd love to meet everyone. Keep you posted. Dick Aurora, OH At 03:43 PM 4/6/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >There are currently 20 people from our list attending >York. The list follows. > >The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert >Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. > >Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer >between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we >can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time >away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. > >So far that is all that is scheduled. Don't forget to wear your >S-Trains badge and write your name or ID on it. I'm afb324. > >See you in York ....Barb > >Attendees: > >Tim Brown >Clay Buckage >Bill Clark >Bob Conner >Walt Danylak >Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 >John Foley - Friday Only >Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. >Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 >Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 >Al Kielek >Gene Knight >Mike Malmer - Friday Only >Bill McKie >Doug Peck >Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. >Mark Preman >Don Rosa >Barb Rudnicki - That's Me >Chris Zizzo - Friday Only > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30545	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Miniature piano-type hinges

Guys, I'm looking for some miniature piano-type hinges for some bi-fold doors on a Diesel trailer I'm helping someone with, in 1:64 (S). The trailer houses a Napier Deltic, and considerable effort went into modeling the engine. As the real trailer had bifold doors, so it would be nice if the model could too. Any links or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Steve McGuire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30546	From: Chris	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Badge for York

I got a free web page and posted the badge there as well. Go to: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/index.htm See you guys at York. You too, Barb! Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30547	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer 470-471-473 variations

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:13:20 -0500, Mike Vana wrote: >Just think, if you collect >variations, you could end up with perhaps 15 different units. Just think, if you didn't, there would be more to go around for those without 4713 sets. *wink* Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30548	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Miniature Piano Hinges

Greetings, I'm in the piano biz, and can't help with 1/64" hinges. But how about a jeweler? They have catalogs of parts to make up jewelry - posts, backs, mounts, rings, etc. Just add diamonds. Perhaps they also have a supply for hinges, clasps, etc, for someone who is making hinged items like lockets. Good luck! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30549	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: Re: Miniature piano-type hinges

Try the dollhouse stores/websites. Dick Aurora, OH At 10:46 PM 4/7/2004, Steve McGuire wrote: >Guys, > >I'm looking for some miniature piano-type hinges for some bi-fold >doors on a Diesel trailer I'm helping someone with, in 1:64 (S). The >trailer houses a Napier Deltic, and considerable effort went into >modeling the engine. As the real trailer had bifold doors, so it >would be nice if the model could too. Any links or suggestions would >be appreciated. > >Thanks! >Steve McGuire > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30550	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/8/2004
Subject: J & L Tank car for sale

Hi Guyz, For those who were asking me about the J & L Tank car earlier this year, here is one for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3186915325 &rd=1 It is the first one I have seen for sale on Ebay. I have no connection to the seller, but I know where you can get it painted! (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30551	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Moving Display

I bought a movie and it has Lionel and American Flyer TV commercials. I remember seeing an AF display on Arthur Godfree and it had a AF HO train on a circle that turned one way and the train ran the other so it stayed right in front of the camera. This movie had AF promos with no sound. The circles must have been the size of a room because you could see back ground that moved very slowly. One had telephone poles and it made it look very fast because it was near the tracks. One has snow that was blowing. Now I would love to build one for local shows. It would be fun. So how can you turn a large circle and not have it bounce and still have electric power as well? Lionel has one with two trains. Like a race. My idea was what to do with those Industrial Rail trucks I took off cars that I converted to S scale. Why not mount Lionel track to a board and mount my Industrial Rail trucks on the underside of a large circle with AF track on the top. You would not see the Lionel track. The kids would love the illusion. I am telling you this looked like fun. They even had a desert scene, a farm scene and a snow scene. It also had a boys Club lay out. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30552	From: trainman634	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: PRR Mikado Steam Engine

Does anyone on this forum think that Lionel will make a PRR Mikado Steam Engine next or ever?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30553	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2232

I admit you piqued my curiosity so I searched on 21130 this am. Here's my re4sult: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3187002272&r d=1&ssPageName=WDVW Actually, I'm kinda disappointed. Mac Message: 17 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:35:41 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Ebay 21130 You may remember that I had a bad experience on Ebay with a purchased of a 21130 AF steam engine. I do search by the number "21130" on ebay from time to time to see what is out there and two items with the number 21130 came up on Ebay. I don't think either of these two items are what I had in mind! From one extreme to the other! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30554	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Replating siderods

Has anyone tried using the micro mark plug in plating kits for replating the siderods on engines. I'm wondering if I should try the nickel plate or the chrome plate kit. Here is a link to Micro-Mark catolog. The kits are listed under of all things, Plating Kits. Thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30555	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2243

I built a layout along these lines a few years ago for a Christmas setup. I used Altas O track and Plastic Lionel trucks, that I bought from a parts dealer, to support the turntable and transfer electrical power. The Atlas track has the outside rails isolated from each other electrically which allowed me to have three electrical lines: variable for the train, fixed for lights and accessories, and a return. I had hoped that the reactive forces of the trains forward movement would cause the turntable to rotate in the opposite direction, but unfortunately, there is too much friction in the system and it is difficult to rotate. I have considered motorizing it, but have not come up with a good scheme yet. Vic Bereskin ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2243 > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:40:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > Subject: Moving Display > > I bought a movie and it has Lionel and American Flyer > TV commercials. I remember seeing an AF display on > Arthur Godfree and it had a AF HO train on a circle > that turned one way and the train ran the other so it > stayed right in front of the camera. This movie had > AF promos with no sound. The circles must have been > the size of a room because you could see back ground > that moved very slowly. One had telephone poles and > it made it look very fast because it was near the > tracks. One has snow that was blowing. > > Now I would love to build one for local shows. It > would be fun. So how can you turn a large circle and > not have it bounce and still have electric power as > well? > > Lionel has one with two trains. Like a race. > > My idea was what to do with those Industrial Rail > trucks I took off cars that I converted to S scale. > Why not mount Lionel track to a board and mount my > Industrial Rail trucks on the underside of a large > circle with AF track on the top. You would not see > the Lionel track. The kids would love the illusion. > > I am telling you this looked like fun. They even had > a desert scene, a farm scene and a snow scene. > > It also had a boys Club lay out. > Jim Sleeth >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30556	From: finnhill	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Have AM streamline passenger cars to trade.

I am looking for some Northern Pacific or possibly Great Northern American Models Streamline scale length passenger cars. I have A Great Northern observation, 2 Southern Pacific Coach Coaches and a Vista dome. For the right deal there may be a sleeper also. I am looking for Excellent quality trade cars only. These are mainly unassembled kits with all the windows in almost new condition. I can send pictures and detail them out individually if you have some to trade. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30557	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: PRR Mikado Steam Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes6464@n...> wrote: Does anyone on this forum think that Lionel will make a PRR Mikado Steam Engine next or ever? They could using the AF K5 boiler, which is more or less correct for the PRR L-1, and the drive from their USRA Mike. Will they, I think not but you never know. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30558	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: PRR Mikado Steam Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes6464@n...> wrote: Does anyone on this forum think that Lionel will make a PRR Mikado Steam Engine next or ever? They could using the AF K5 boiler, which is more or less correct for the PRR L-1, and the drive from their USRA Mike. Will they, I think not but you never know. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30559	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Apathy or Lack of Marketing??

Hi Folks Both Don & Bill are right. Don say's join local and national S Club, right on. For local club information go to the NASG website's club page at http://www.nasg.org/sclubinfo.htm To Join THE S NATIONAL CLUB go to the NASG's joining page at http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html Or give your S buddy a membership as a gift. Send your S article not to only the S magazines send them to MR, RMC, CTT and all the many others. Also Tell your local hobby shops your in S Model Railroading. Join my Operation S infiltration. Join the NMRA at http://www.rrhistorical.com/NMRA/ or the TTOS at http://www.ttos.org/ And if you want to join the TCA send me your street address and I will get to you an application with to recommender's signatures. I have had many requests already. Send it by next Thursday. Lets flex our Muscles? Stand up and be counted. Show the model railroading community what we have to offer. Go to hobby shops and say "WHERE"S THE BEEF", OOPS THAT's "WHERE'S THE S MODEL RAILROADING STUFF" From the NASG Promotions Committee John Check out this website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ Most carriers give you free web space, put some S on the Internet. If I can do it, I am sure you all are talented enough to do it. At 16:18 4/9/2004, Donald Thompson wrote: >Bill is so on the mark with his analysis. The question is how does one >market to S scalers? As one might suspect, with a market only a small >percentage of HO (if that), more effort is needed. Press releases, >advertisements, attendance at S shows, newsletters, catalogs, a web >presence and favorable reviews may not be enough, but would be a good >start. You may need to get involved. Be a member of local and national >S clubs. I think this is the reason why most S gauge products are >produced by S gaugers. >Don > >Bill Wade wrote: > > > Marketing is part of the problem for all products, mfgrs, and scales. > > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30560	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: shells for trade

Two American Models passenger shells offered for trade: NYC combine NYC observation both unused. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30562	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2242

Guys, I'm looking for some miniature piano-type hinges for some bi-fold doors on a Diesel trailer I'm helping someone with, in 1:64 (S). The trailer houses a Napier Deltic, and considerable effort went into modeling the engine. As the real trailer had bifold doors, so it would be nice if the model could too. Any links or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Steve McGuire 1:64 piano hinges may be to small to duplicate. You might try strip of mylar or other thin material that will take paint & will take a lot of bending, glue it to the outside swing of the door. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30563	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Honesty in eBay advertising

This has to be the most honest eBay listing I have ever read. It is absolutely NOT train or S-gauge related, but if your eyes (or pants) are dry after you read it.....you can ban me from the list. I just wish I had had a chance to bid on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2389286139<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2389286139> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30564	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Pennsy Mikado

Oct.03 issue of Classic(Lionel)Toy trains has a review of a K Line USRA light Mikado.According to the article Pennsy owned 6 of them.If the Lionel version is the light one,they could do a Pennsy model with a few detail changes.In which case sign me up for one. 'S'tayin' on the 2 rail track Jerry Memmer Ps see ya at York [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30565	From: Tim	Date: 4/9/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising

I must admit, I was ready to give you a retort for being a nerd, but after reading that auction, I doff my engineer's cap to you for finding it. Pretty refreshingly interesting piece of eBay crap - okay, IMHO! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Eagle Trains To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Honesty in eBay advertising This has to be the most honest eBay listing I have ever read. It is absolutely NOT train or S-gauge related, but if your eyes (or pants) are dry after you read it.....you can ban me from the list. I just wish I had had a chance to bid on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2389286139<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2389286139> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30566	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising

>Stockbridge, MI aaahhhh, they need entertainment in that part of our state I guess! PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30567	From: roy inman	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Model train photography

Hi Bob Werre, and anyone else interested in model train photography. On a segment of Tracks Ahead this AM, I saw an interview with the photographer who shot photos for Lionel in the late '40's and early '50's. Our regional PBS station just started running the series, so this program is several years old now. Anyway, the photographer said that he made a brass plate that would fit inside a 4x5 Speed Graphic, drilled a small hole-pinhole-in it, arranged the shot with the camera on a tripod, opened the shutter and went to lunch. Exposures took 20 minutes to three hours. He would have to focus, open up the camera, put in the plate, and repeat the procedure for each exposure.. As he described it, that is how Lionel got those dramatic renderings of locomotives in the extreme foreground, background sharp and detailed. The pinhole made everything sharp from about a foot to infinity, he said. The artist drew from his photos. According to the photographer, whose name flashed by so quickly I did not catch it, this may have been the first time the pinhole technique was used on model trains. Sorry it wasn't about Flyer or S... :( Trivia for today. And cheers to all :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30568	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Opaque ink cartridges

Thanks to all who responded with ideas or leads in obtaining opaque ink cartridges for a personal computer printer. Unfortunately, I don't think they exist. It may be possible, however, to use ink cartridge refill equipment and create my own with opaque inks purchased separately. If I do, I'll post the results. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30569	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Sam E's Manufacturing

I have received a report from Gerry that the assembly of the Sam E's is not going well. Rather than putting a structure on the market that has "issues" we are temporarily pulling it back and will be remaking the masters. However...frugal person that I am....my loss is your gain in the long run. From the masters there are some nice looking walls that will be sold individually with their respective windows and doors. Will be great for backdrops, kit bashing, modules. These are four stories tall. I think you will like them just the way they are. Wesley's is coming along fine and so is Ghostport. They were of a much simpler design with butt jointed walls. It's a little tough to go wrong there. Thanks for your patience. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30570	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: help

hi,,,,,,can anyone tell me the worth of a standard gage #2024 in the box in good shape for a friend of mine,thanks,lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30571	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: York - Final Update

Hi All, With only 4 days to go till the bandit meets start, here is my final update on York attendance and activities. I leave Sunday morning and hope to see you there. Please don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge. ...Barb The current meeting schedule is Thursday night at the Gilbert Get Together at the Four Point Sheraton. (I think it's at 9:00) A suggestion has been made to have dinner at 6:00 at Alexander's. Friday we will meet for lunch at the lunch stand in the foyer between the Blue and Silver Halls at 1:00 PM. This way we can all (whoever wants to join) meet but not take a lot of time away from 'training' that a sit-down meal would require. There is also a move to have dinner together on Friday evening. Location and time have not been decided at this point. The weather is forecasted as rain through Tuesday and partly cloudy Wed. thru Sat. with temps ranging from 57 degrees on Wed. warming to 69 degrees on Sat. Attendees list has changed: Tim Brown Clay Buckage Bill Clark Bob Conner Walt Danylak Tom Doherty - Orange Hall, Booth II -5 John Foley - Friday Only Al Galli - Blue Hall, Table E54, Bill Budd Tues. - Thurs. Joe Haenn - Orange Hall, Table EE08 Bob Hannon - Blue Hall, Tables C48 / C50 Al Kielek Gene Knight Dick Kuepper - Maybe??? Jim Lyle Mike Marmer - Friday Only Bill McKie Jerry Memmer Harwood Owings - Silver Hall, opposite corner from registration desk Doug Peck - Purple Hall, Booth AA-04 Bob Persing - Orange Hall, Fire hall Mon. - Thurs. Mark Preman - Our list sponsor Don Rosa Barb Rudnicki - That's Me Don and Robin Thompson - TCA Museum, Thurs. AM, Orange Hall, Booth DD04 Chris Zizzo - Friday Only

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30572	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Tonight's Flyer Contest Question

Hello All, Tim Brown has kindly offered to provide the prize for the first one to correctly answer tonight's Flyer contest question. The prize is a reconditioned e-unit with postage paid in the lower 48 states of the grand old USA. Same as last week, the first one to email the correct answer to me at: bull_gator_1@... will be the lucky winner. Not only is Tim providing the prize, but he also provided the question and the answer, so here we go: How many grooves are on each side of the record for the 755/755A talking station? Good luck!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30573	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Tonight's Contest Winner is:

David Avedesian. David was the first to correctly answer Tim's somewhat tricky question. There is one groove on each side of the talking station record. Same for any record. Thanks to all who tried tonight's contest. Next Saturday night I'll post a 100% American Flyer trvia contest question. See you all next time! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30574	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: Tonight's Flyer Contest Question

There is only one grove on each side. David PS: That was a trivia question from 3rd grade. I guess it still plays. -----Original Message----- From: bull_gator_1@... [mailto:bull_gator_1@...] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Tonight's Flyer Contest Question Hello All, Tim Brown has kindly offered to provide the prize for the first one to correctly answer tonight's Flyer contest question. The prize is a reconditioned e-unit with postage paid in the lower 48 states of the grand old USA. Same as last week, the first one to email the correct answer to me at: bull_gator_1@... will be the lucky winner. Not only is Tim providing the prize, but he also provided the question and the answer, so here we go: How many grooves are on each side of the record for the 755/755A talking station? Good luck!!!! BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30575	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Industrial Rail cabooses

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Industrial Rail cabooses > Morning list, > > The other day I got a list from: Charles Siegel's Train City, 3133 Zuck Road, Erie Pa 16506...While the list covers mostly the L word stuff I saw these listed: > > ID1501 1501 Santa Fe caboose 027 one on hand @ 15.95 > ID1502 1502 Burlington Northern 027 three on hand @ 14.36 > > Looks like $6 shipping....he also has a $25 min order policy > > His phone number is: 814 833 8313 > > This is without a doubt the cheapest way to get a ATSF style caboose in S scale today.. > > My dealing with him have always be great with very good service...he has additional Industrial Rail items including the trolley..... > > gale hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30576	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Grooves

Actually, the correct answer to the contest question is that each side of an original Gilbert talking station has TWO grooves on each side. There is one long one for the needle that carries the sound information. There is a second decorative groove about 3/16 inch in from the beginning of the paper label on each side. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30577	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: GROOVES

Will someone check with Price-Waterhouse for the correct answer that is sealed in their vault. As most of us of Gilbert age know they handled ALL the game show answers. :) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30578	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: GROOVES

Hee. Hee. Hee. I think we had a sore loser tonight! No consolation prizes AND no reverse unit for TJ! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] GROOVES Will someone check with Price-Waterhouse for the correct answer that is sealed in their vault. As most of us of Gilbert age know they handled ALL the game show answers. :) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: In the groove

I just love people getting answers to questions before I even get the questions. (still waiting for the one regarding talking station record.) Guess it takes the juice a long time to get out here to the wild, wild west. Kinda like the "Pony Express." Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30580	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: grooves

All I know is, the Gilbert TS record hanging on my shop wall has 2 grooves on each side. Deal with it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30581	From: Tim	Date: 4/10/2004
Subject: Re: grooves

Groovy! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] grooves All I know is, the Gilbert TS record hanging on my shop wall has 2 grooves on each side. Deal with it. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30582	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: IR Cabeese

Gale Hall wrote: > Morning list, > > The other day I got a list from: Charles Siegel's >Train City, 3133 Zuck Road, Erie Pa 16506...While >the list covers mostly the L word stuff I saw these >listed: > > ID1501 1501 Santa Fe caboose 027 one on hand @ 15.95 > ID1502 1502 Burlington Northern 027 three on hand @ >14.36 > > Looks like $6 shipping....he also has a $25 min >order policy > > His phone number is: 814 833 8313 > > This is without a doubt the cheapest way to get a >ATSF style caboose in S scale today.. I beg to differ. I stock these cabeese in all 3 road names (C&O, Santa Fe and BN) for only $12 each plus $5.30 Priority Mail S&H with no minimum order. I also will have them at York, with no S&H. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30583	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Get into The Groove...

Isn't that a Madonna dance tune form the 80s... I think we need a congressional commission to settle this contest... Dare we appoint a special prosecutor...? Next week's suggestion for a question... How many Angels fit on the head of a pin? -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:33 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; jarcho@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] grooves Groovy! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] grooves All I know is, the Gilbert TS record hanging on my shop wall has 2 grooves on each side. Deal with it. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30584	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: New S scale layout website

I just added this to the SHS web site. Enjoy! --jon -----Original Message----- From: Donald Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:09 AM To: Showcaseline e-group Cc: S Scale e-group; S Train e-group Subject: Re: New S scale layout website One of our customers sent along a webpage of his S scale layout that I am going to ask our web master to add to our website. You to can visit Chip's layout at: http://www.coloradoandsilverriver.com/ We were very impressed and think you will be too. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30585	From: johntech2004	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Imitation Coal

Does anyone know where to get those black pellets they use for injection molding? I am looking for some light weight material to use for coal in my future coal mine. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30586	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Imitation Coal

Yes I do,I can get it from the fellows that do the injection moulding for me.I can ckeck on price for you after next week,because I am leaving for York for the week in the morning. Bob Persing johntech2004 <beebear@...> wrote:Does anyone know where to get those black pellets they use for injection molding? I am looking for some light weight material to use for coal in my future coal mine. Thanks John S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30587	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Re: Honesty in eBay advertising

that was just way too funny!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30588	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30589	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/11/2004
Subject: Engine runs for the first time in years

We had Easter dinner today at my grandmothers and I got a steamer running (HO) that I have never seen run, for the 24 years I've had it. http://tycotrain.tripod.com/steamengines/id8.html Blue B&O 4-6-2. Basically it wanted the motor turned a bit while the electric was turned on... gggeeeee THAT seems hard! A bit of cleaning, etc... it really rips, in reverse that is. Forwards starts out fairly well and slows to a creep. Ideas? What makes such a radical difference in direction? Since it is a typical worm gear drive, does the friction of the gears push/pull the shaft such that the "slip" one way works better than the "slip" the other way? Anyway, up to two working HO steamers, and one diesel out of the ENTIRE HO collection! :-) I'm glad Flyer is a bit larger to work on. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30590	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: linkage ties to lineage

hi members, let me ask you ----is the s gauge diesel and is the s- gauge steamer that is powered by a electric motor drive more typical than such a engine that is powered by a mechanical wind up engine drive? in summary which type of motor power closely represents/simulates the prototype[the real steamer or diesel work horse]?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30591	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: linkage ties to lineage

The diesels are probably closest, short of there being gears between the motor and wheels vs direct drive. Remember steamers got their power from the drive rods, on all electric models they are only there for looks. I don't think anyone is going to attempt a live steam in S anytime soon. And on the topic.... the 740 hand car is much the same as steam... the men move for the look vs in real life they would have been making the car move and no motor would have been involved. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30592	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: linkage ties to lineage

Also on electric vs windup... typically the wind up toys were simply that. Steamers had a drive rod (single) flopping around for looks. Compare that to an AF Hudson or Nothern. But then Gilbert did have the 4-4-0 Casey Jones.... so it all depends on what items you compare. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30593	From: Tim	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Invisible meeting

Hi, I'd like to suggest that all us invisible guys on the S-list get together at York this Friday, but if we could see each other, then that would rule us out as invisible. :) :) If you don't see anybody near the crab cake stand at 1:30 PM, that's me, come on over and say "Hi"! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30594	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: Invisible meeting

Tim, You keep promoting that crabcake stand! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Invisible meeting > Hi, > > I'd like to suggest that all us invisible guys on the S-list get together at York this Friday, but if we could see each other, then that would rule us out as invisible. :) :) If you don't see anybody near the crab cake stand at 1:30 PM, that's me, come on over and say "Hi"! :) :) > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30595	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Modeling Duryea underframes

Hi Guyz, I have some detail photos of the B&O M53 taken a while ago in Delaware, including the draft gear. I have always liked that car. I have recently finished both of my cars after years of off and on work. Here is one of the finished cars and the draft gear detail. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/BO_M53.jpg Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30596	From: Tim	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Re: Invisible meeting

I think I'm creating a legend in our own time. I don't even know if there IS a crabcake stand. I know there's a sandwich stand or two, but I don't remember what they serve. I'd get the rights to set up a crabcake stand down there, but I'm afraid no one would see it! :) :) I think it's gonna be a rain-out on all the pick-up shows, outside at least. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-List ; Tim Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Invisible meeting Tim, You keep promoting that crabcake stand! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Invisible meeting > Hi, > > I'd like to suggest that all us invisible guys on the S-list get together at York this Friday, but if we could see each other, then that would rule us out as invisible. :) :) If you don't see anybody near the crab cake stand at 1:30 PM, that's me, come on over and say "Hi"! :) :) > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30597	From: Chris	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

It's a Funnel Cake Stand. Maybe down at one of yer fancy Maryland train shows they got the crabcakes, but in Pennsylvania Dutch Country, it's funnel cakes, for sure. The meeting is scheduled for Lunch at 1:00 PM at the indoor, sit-down lunch counter in the lobby between Blue & Silver Halls. Badges are available for free at http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/. The details are posted there as well. See you at York, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30598	From: waldootten	Date: 4/12/2004
Subject: Engine wraps

I have noticed that some of my stamped Flyer steam engine wraps have a cutout area while others do not. Why is this? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30599	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: FW: Sunday S-Helper Trains on Ebay

Just in case you are interested....... See below. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 -----Original Message----- From: pilot888_99 [mailto:pilot888_99@...] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:43 PM To: billlane@... Subject: Sunday S-Helper Trains on Ebay Hi Bill, I recognized your name from articles on S scale Pennsy. I know this is a bit unusual but, I think a lot of people in the S- Trains Group would be interested. Since I'm not a member and can't post to this group, I'm wondering if you could forward the following: I'm auctioning off, with no reserve, 11 SHS SW-9's that haven't been available for some time now. 1 Conrail, 1 Chessie, 1 BN, 2 CB&Q, 1 GN, 1 EL, 2 ACL, 1 B&O, 1 SantaFe, 1 SW-1 PRR. Cabeese-- First run ATSF (2) CNW (1) Chessie (2) The Ebay Auction, Toys & Hobbies > Model RR, Trains > S Scale > Other Manufacturers, ends Sunday the 18th. If this is inappropriate, I apologize. I need to get the word out because I'm hurtin financially. Thanks Paul loco_pilot --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 4/9/2004

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30600	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Flyer trade

Does anyone have available for trade either a complete Flyer 649/652/952 Pullman or a shell? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30601	From: Tim	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

Cool! Hope to see everyone then. Since the outside shows will more than likely be a "worsh", I'll have plenty of money to "red up" dealer's tables at the actual indoor shows! So, I'll prob'ly need some help carrying all the junk I expect to buy to my car 'cuz I can't carry everything and eat funnel cakes at the same time! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Emperor's New Crabcakes It's a Funnel Cake Stand. Maybe down at one of yer fancy Maryland train shows they got the crabcakes, but in Pennsylvania Dutch Country, it's funnel cakes, for sure. The meeting is scheduled for Lunch at 1:00 PM at the indoor, sit-down lunch counter in the lobby between Blue & Silver Halls. Badges are available for free at http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/. The details are posted there as well. See you at York, Chris Zizzo S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30602	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Collection For Sale

My entire American Flyer S Gauge and Gilbert HO collection will be placed on auction with Stouts Auctions. Greg has already picked up the collection, and will be working it for hopefully a mid June auction. Its a 20 year collection where I paid close attention to quality, and tried to go for the sleeper items, and odd variations like many of the 1953 and 1958 transition stuff as opposed to the run of the mill items. Hence there are a lot of cherry items and scarce, rare and uncommon numbers and/or variations. The HO collection is younger, but still has a nice choice of items including a few boxed sets. Save your pennies!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30603	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: linkage ties to lineage

- GreetingS - Polpolk9 asks a question I am still chewing on. I think I understand linkage and I think I understand lineage, but what about ties? I suppose they serve to hold the rails to S gauge. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30604	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: All Along, Mom Was on the Right Track (washingtonpost.com)

An article about a disaster playing with a train! But a happy ending. I think this link will work without registering to the Washington Post. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: All Along, Mom Was on the Right Track (washingtonpost.com) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4405-2004Apr11.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30605	From: plb6211@AOL.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 - OO Gauge Live Steam

In a message dated 4/13/2004 7:30:24 AM Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: Re: linkage ties to lineage > > The diesels are probably closest, short of there being gears between the > motor > and wheels vs direct drive. > > Remember steamers got their power from the drive rods, on all electric > models > they are only there for looks. I don't think anyone is going to attempt a > live > steam in S anytime soon. > Hornby has OO gauge live steam models on the market in England. I do not remember where OO fits in the grand scheme of the gauges. Jim Lott Southern Indiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30606	From: plb6211@AOL.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 OO Gauge Live Steam

To answer my own question - I found this on the Hobby Barn Online web site: OO gauge 16.5mm gauge @ 1:76 scale Product reviews and ads in the British model railway magazines suggest that these live steam locomotives with electric heat (no fire) are state of the art. The Hornby technology would need to be sized up to S gauge @ 1:64 scale! How about a real steam whistle in S gauge? Jim Lott Southern Indiana Scale name Gauge Proportion [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30607	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI

Hi Folks NJ International sent me a form with all their S items, including their new S switch stands. I uploaded it in the files section under NJI John Foley Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30608	From: Chris	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom Was on the Right T

For those of you who are not interested in giving all your personal information to the Washington Post, here is the entire article. ____________________________________________________________________ All Along, Mom Was on the Right Track By Jennifer Taylor Arnold Special to The Washington Post Monday, April 12, 2004; Page C10 Amother's worst nightmare: The cell phone rings during a "girls' night out." The display stubbornly declares "Home," a place you are trying to forget. You know that only bad news, or at the very least guilt, can be on the other end. "Um, honey, can you come home?" my husband says. "We've got a little emergency." In the background, I hear hysterical screams. I don't wait for an explanation -- I'm on my way. I assume right away that Rachel, our 5-year-old, is the afflicted child. She's always the one, the child who swallows nickels and develops mysterious rashes. What would it be this time? Our first broken bone? Stitches? Poisoning, perhaps? My mind races with the possibilities, each more horrible than the next. But when I get home, the scene that greets me is beyond my wildest motherly imagination. My baby girl is sitting on the kitchen stool, hysterical, sobbing -- with a toy train stuck to the side of her head. I look at my husband in disbelief. This is his "emergency?" I sigh, resigned and somewhat pleased with my role as the great problem- solver. Surely I can handle this crisis that Dad cannot. Right? Wrong. A wheel of the motorized train took Rachel's hair with it as it continued to turn, and some of her skin, which is now pinched between the wheel and the train -- and it's not budging. I try prying it off with a butter knife. I try lubing it up with Vaseline. I try every creative innovation I can think of -- but with each failed attempt, my daughter becomes more panicked. My omnipotence is developing some serious holes. And the train remains securely fastened to the side of her face, stubbornly defying the laws of gravity. I look at the clock -- of course, the pediatrician's office is closed. The prospect of a night in the emergency room looms. But more immediately, the thought of trying to explain this situation to the doctor's answering service looms larger. "Um, we have a situation here. My daughter has a toy train stuck to her face. A train. T-R-A-I-N. To her face, yes. Well, I've never heard of it before, either. Thank you very much." So it's off to the ER we go. You'd think those people have seen everything -- but at least at our hospital, they had never seen a child with a train stuck to her head. As we wait (and wait, and wait . . .) Rachel falls asleep, sprawled out with her head on her pillow (on the non-train-obstructed side, of course). This creates the illusion that the toy is simply balanced there above her ear -- an illusion that several other waiting children are very interested in testing. Nearly everyone who passes does a double take, not sure exactly what they are seeing. After hours of telling our tale, my husband and I resort to meeting their stares with wan smiles and quickly averted eyes. Finally, close to midnight, a smiling doctor greets us. "What do we have here?" he asks. Blearily, I explain the situation for the umpteenth time. The doctor examines the train, and the skin, and the greasy, Vaselined head and mumbles something about a plastic surgeon. I feel the panic rise in my throat. "I'll be right back," I call to my husband, as I bolt out into the hall to find some fresh air and tissues. A few deep breaths later, I walk back to the exam room. As I round the corner, my husband calls out, "Catch!" Next thing I know, the offending train is hurtling through the air toward me. I left my baby's side for 10 minutes -- and in that time, the entire crisis had been resolved. Somehow it didn't seem fair. "How in the world . . . " I wonder aloud. My bleary-eyed husband is more than happy to explain. After I left, the doctor returned, saying, "Before I call in the surgeon, let me try one more thing." He proceeded to pull a paper clip out of his pocket, straighten it out, and insert it between the train and Rachel's skin. The train popped right off. We waited four hours, spent heaven knows how much, and endured countless stares and whispers waiting for a highly trained professional to perform a delicate medical procedure -- with a paper clip. I mutter that Dr. Paper Clip's tactic was exactly the same procedure I was trying to perform at home with my Vaseline-and-butter knife protocol. It was easy when the kid was sound asleep. Let's see this fancy-schmantzy doctor try that paper clip move on my kitchen counter on a hysterical child. But no one listened. They were too happy to be finally going home. Amazingly, Rachel didn't have a mark on her the next day. When I regaled my friends and family with the story, they looked at me as if I might have something stuck to my head -- or rocks in it. The child looked just fine. Surely I was exaggerating. Surely I overreacted. (As if I looked for excuses to spend all night in the hospital waiting room.) But my scars are still healing. My suspicions are now confirmed: My youngest child has a special gift for getting herself into unusual and potentially dangerous situations. Even worse, she now knows that Mommy can't solve every problem. Both of these realizations will become only more pronounced as time goes by. But for now, I take comfort in the fact that my hugs and kisses are still more powerful than any doctor -- even one armed with a paper clip. © 2004 The Washington Post Company

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30609	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?

John, thank you very much. I'm trying to find out which ones were used by the B&O. To that end, I'd like to send a link to the B&O group. Do you have one, other than the S group files? Thanks. Paul S. (Would appreciate anyone's thoughts on which ones B&O used) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30610	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?

Hi Paul You can send the link to Michael Greene mgreene@... For the NASG website. Paul York's website send to s_trains@... Craig O'Connell's website send to tcgmip@... Roy Hoffman's website send it to rhoffman@... For the online S lists to can putt it on the links page Please send it to me and I'll put it on my website at http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ Their are others at the NASG links you could contact http://www.nasg.org/links.html John At 16:55 4/13/2004, Paul4Schil@... wrote: >John, thank you very much. > I'm trying to find out which ones were used by the B&O. To that end, >I'd like to send a link to the B&O group. Do you have one, other than the S >group files? > Thanks. > Paul S. > > (Would appreciate anyone's thoughts on which ones B&O used) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30611	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Found It - NJI S Scale Switchstands - "Sendable" Link?

John, In the meantime I found a sendable link. thanks. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30612	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: NJI S Scale Switchstands: Link

John, below is the link. I tried to also send it to the addresses you suggested. Paul http://www.njinternational.com/new_items.htm Click here: New Items [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30613	From: roy inman	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom Was

But the $64,000 question is: "What scale?' Roy Inman ---------- > From: Chris <busyboy@...> > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:43:30 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom Was on > the Right Track" > > Next thing I know, the > offending train is hurtling through the air toward me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30614	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Entire Washington Post Article: " All Along, Mom

It must have been one of those smaller scales...... Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30615	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!

Hi, does anybody can tell me how it's working the choo-choo inside the tender, the smoking is working very good but I don't have the sound, does the exentric lever and the screw make the sound? how to adjust it for the sound? any ideas? thank's to help me, I'll appreciate any sugestions, thank's, Pierre. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30616	From: larryasp	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!

I just fixed a problem like that. A 290 that barely made a choo choo sound. I replaced the choo choo piston. The old one that I took out was thinner than the replacement, and appeared worn to the point where air just blew by it. Putting in the new piston did the trick. You could probably get a replacement one from Doug at Portline. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Paradis" <parapio@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!! Hi, does anybody can tell me how it's working the choo-choo inside the tender, the smoking is working very good but I don't have the sound, does the exentric lever and the screw make the sound? how to adjust it for the sound? any ideas? thank's to help me, I'll appreciate any sugestions, thank's, Pierre. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30617	From: larryasp	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: Re: American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!!

Whoops - sorry group - this fellow is trying to fixing a tender choo choo, not one inside a locomotive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Paradis" <parapio@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American flyer 322 choo-choo question!!!! Hi, does anybody can tell me how it's working the choo-choo inside the tender, the smoking is working very good but I don't have the sound, does the exentric lever and the screw make the sound? how to adjust it for the sound? any ideas? thank's to help me, I'll appreciate any sugestions, thank's, Pierre. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30618	From: finnhill	Date: 4/13/2004
Subject: AM Streamline cars for sale

I have 5 S scale length, American Models Streamline Passenger Cars for sale. I Figured I would start them here prior to Ebay. #1: Great Northern (Empire Builder) Observation, Ex Condition, Windows Never assembled, all windows still on sprue (runner?), trucks assembled. box included... $75 #2: Southern Pacific (daylight) Coach Windows assembled, trucks assembled, 1 small 1/8 diameter scuff on top, hard to find, ex cond otherwise, $75 #3 Southern Pacific (daylight) Domeliner, One window has a slight fingerprint or mark on the inside (maybe glue) that can be buffed off. $85 #4: Another Southern Pacific (daylight) Coach, never assembled windows on sprue, trucks assembled. $75 #5: Primered Combo Body only, rust colored primer $30 Some have Scale and some hirail trucks, I should have enough wheels to go either way so tell me which you want. Shipping USA is $5 for the first, add $2 each after. All for $325 shipping USA included. I will trade for AM Streamline Northern Pacific cars. I am open to offers. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30619	From: sparkee664	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Hi group and Newbie question

Hello Group, I have an American Flyer set that I aquired a while back. Its an entry level, inexpensive set that I believe was made in the 70s. It has the Casey Jones plastic engine with tethered tender and several cars. I have also gotten a searchlight car and an extra caboose. There is an oval of scale track with it. While most of my toy trains are O/O27 I'd like to find an inexpensive diesel engine to head up this set and possibly build a small layout sometime in the near future. Can anyone recommend a diesel (or a manufacturers name) that wont cost me my firstborn? Roadname is not important at this point. Thanks, Sparky

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30620	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question

Not sure what your first born is worth! *wink* But anyway... eBay - Geep's and Baldwin switchers go cheaper than SantaFe's... repaint wannabe's cheaper than mint droolers... Then for the new stuff... American Models S Helper etc.... come to mind Also I am forgetting various AF resellers, at least with them you don't have to bid against someone else to win the item. You can see the asking price and decide if you can afford it or not. You might also get a copy of the AF price guide from TM Books and Video so you have a rough idea what things are valued at and how common / rare they are. In closing, welcome to the right scale! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30621	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question

Hi, While the term inexpensive is a relative term, IMHO there is no such thing as a good, inexpensive, vintage Flyer diesel loco any more. What ever you buy, unless it's practically MIB or has been extensively serviced by a reputable dealer, chances are it will need some motor, reverse unit and/or drive truck work to make it reliable. I think your best bet is to look at some of the newer models coming out if you want diesel power. Otherwise, I'd get a decent K5, Hudson or Pacific steam loco from a reputable dealer that has been serviced properly and have fun with that. This is just my opinion. I'd like to see some other opinions from guys on the list. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: sparkee664 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hi group and Newbie question Hello Group, I have an American Flyer set that I aquired a while back. Its an entry level, inexpensive set that I believe was made in the 70s. It has the Casey Jones plastic engine with tethered tender and several cars. I have also gotten a searchlight car and an extra caboose. There is an oval of scale track with it. While most of my toy trains are O/O27 I'd like to find an inexpensive diesel engine to head up this set and possibly build a small layout sometime in the near future. Can anyone recommend a diesel (or a manufacturers name) that wont cost me my firstborn? Roadname is not important at this point. Thanks, Sparky S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30622	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Hi group and Newbie question

Probably the most reliable vintage Flyer diesel is the 3XX series. But at $200 - 500 for a good one with knuckle couplers, I personally don't call that inexpensive. I run quite a few Alco and Baldwin diesels on my pike, but on about 2/3 of them, I've pulled the original motors out and replaced them with some type of canned motor/electronic reverse unit and gave the shells a re-paint back to the classic Flyer color scheme. The other 1/3 of the diesels I operate with vintage motors are maintained from cannibalizing parts of the 2/3 I mentioned. IMHO, the Alcos and Baldwins are particularly bad. Mostly, they've been run hard and put away wet, so to speak. In general, their smaller fields and armatures just aren't as robust as steamers, although the later Alcos are heftier, but a lot more pricey as well. Fifty years has taken it's tole on the Flyer line. Note that I'm comparing the term inexpensive to your Casey Jones loco, which is about the least expensive Flyer loco available and they do run like little bandits. I advocate "newbies" to roll up their sleeves and begin to learn repairs. It's a lot of fun and a source of personal pride to do repairs, at least it is for me. If you get stuck, a reliable repairman will probably be able to bail you, otherwise the guys on this list are a wonderful resource for repair questions. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; sparkee664 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hi group and Newbie question Hi, While the term inexpensive is a relative term, IMHO there is no such thing as a good, inexpensive, vintage Flyer diesel loco any more. What ever you buy, unless it's practically MIB or has been extensively serviced by a reputable dealer, chances are it will need some motor, reverse unit and/or drive truck work to make it reliable. I think your best bet is to look at some of the newer models coming out if you want diesel power. Otherwise, I'd get a decent K5, Hudson or Pacific steam loco from a reputable dealer that has been serviced properly and have fun with that. This is just my opinion. I'd like to see some other opinions from guys on the list. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: sparkee664 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hi group and Newbie question Hello Group, I have an American Flyer set that I aquired a while back. Its an entry level, inexpensive set that I believe was made in the 70s. It has the Casey Jones plastic engine with tethered tender and several cars. I have also gotten a searchlight car and an extra caboose. There is an oval of scale track with it. While most of my toy trains are O/O27 I'd like to find an inexpensive diesel engine to head up this set and possibly build a small layout sometime in the near future. Can anyone recommend a diesel (or a manufacturers name) that wont cost me my firstborn? Roadname is not important at this point. Thanks, Sparky S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30623	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: AF 322 choo-choo inside the tender!!!!

I bough this engine last week, and the bellow was crack and no good, so I made another one myself with material approach the original, the smoke is blowing very good but I got no sound, it is because the air passed on my material and is not seal like the old one so the sound is not produce in this case, or I have to made an hole on my material to get the sound? Pierre --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30624	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Badges

Had the good fortune to bump into Barb and Bob at Fred Jester's in Reliance Fire Hall. My badge, of course, as in the "Little Jimmie" outside. Barb pointed out the folly of that. Wear your badges, even at the bandits and ENJOY York. Hope to see you at NTTM on Thursday. Because of weather, we will have remote parking and a shuttle running from East parking lot of RRMPA to NTTM. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30625	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Printing out decals

Hi, I couldn't view the link you pasted because I'm not a member of that group. However, printing out decals on white decal paper is a cinch. Printing out light-colored decals on water-slide decal paper with a home ink-jet printer AND have them transfer well onto a dark field is tough to impossible when the decals are yellow, silver, or worse yet - white, even after running the decal paper through the ink-jet printer twice to embolden the colors. When you print light-colored decals out on water-slide paper, you should really have a box around them the same color as the field of the shell (I use Paint Shop Pro to do that). Even then, I've found that it's a great idea to paint the decal edges onto the shell (you might have to hand-mix the color - but that is another topic), after the decals are transferred for a truly righteous and factory-finish "fix". I've even gone back into the light-colored water-slide decals with an 18-0 detail brush to hand-paint the decal letters/numbers after they have been transferred so that a hand-painted/decaled "look" has been achieved. This is VERY labor intensive and not recommended by me for commercial application! When cutting out decals, whether they be white decal paper or water-slide decal paper, it's best to cut the decals absolutely as close as possible with either a dedicated pair of shears, or a hobby knife and straight edge, so that the decals show minimal edge for that "painted on" look. Further, I would pre-prep the painted surface with an application or two of Johnson's Acrylic Floor Finish to smooth over the "tooth" of the paint, apply the decals, then knock down the shine after the decals have been applied with a air-brush sprayed-on coat of satin finish sealer. This is the state-of-my art, art for making "look-alike" high-end, vintage Flyer pieces out of junk, at present. Let's kick it up a notch or two, together! Bamm! Oh, and hey BTW, Paul; we haven't even scratched the surface yet of Flyer repairs and let's keep the dialogue open to the general pop on flyer repairs! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: ctpk_99 To: Tim Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Printing out decals Tim, I too am going to attempt what you are doing. I found this article on the Model Railroader Web Site. Hope it helps. Concerning printing, if you print stripes on white decal paper (eg: yellow like you are trying to print) I assume that you would have to cut the decal sheet after printing and drying to the pattern of the decal so the white backround does not show through. http://www.trains.com/content/dynamic/articles/000/000/004/723uxldp.as p --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Does anyone on the list know of a source for opaque color ink cartridges for a computer printer? To my knowledge, they all use translucent color ink, which is fine for printing onto paper stock. However, I'm trying to make my own decals and I find that the lighter colors, such as yellow don't work very well. They come out of the printer looking just fine, but are too translucent when applied. I've tried running the decal sheet through the printer multiple times and the printer hits the mark every time, but the color is still too translucent, no matter the saturation. I've tried using opaque white decal paper, but I want clear decals. To date, my solution is to hand letter over the decal once it's on the car with opaque ink and an 18-0 detail brush. There's got to be a better and easier way! > > Thanks for any help I may receive, > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30626	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Badges, Part II

OOOPs, RRMPA is, of course, the RailRoad Museum of Pennsylvania, PA Rt 741, the GAP RD, east of Strasburg and across from the Strasburg Railroad. Sorry about that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30627	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2248

A real steam whistle in S scale would be too high pitched to hear. Vic Bereskin South-Central Indiana >Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:23:08 EDT > From: plb6211@... >Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 OO Gauge Live Steam > >To answer my own question - I found this on the Hobby Barn Online web site: > > OO gauge 16.5mm gauge @ 1:76 scale > >Product reviews and ads in the British model railway magazines suggest that >these live steam locomotives with electric heat (no fire) are state of the art. > The Hornby technology would need to be sized up to S gauge @ 1:64 scale! How >about a real steam whistle in S gauge? > >Jim Lott >Southern Indiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30628	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: steam whistle in S gauge

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:58:11 -0500, Victor Bereskin wrote: >A real steam whistle in S scale would be too high pitched to hear. I think he meant the equiv of the 314AW and not that the whistle would be on top of the engine in the real location and in proper S scale. I love the 314AW whistle, would like it a bit louder to win over the motor noise. I need to tinker with the relay on mine to make it more reliable. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30629	From: Tim	Date: 4/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2248

Why? Why does 1:64 translate to freek, rather than amp? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Bereskin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2248 A real steam whistle in S scale would be too high pitched to hear. Vic Bereskin South-Central Indiana >Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:23:08 EDT > From: plb6211@... >Subject: Re: Digest Number 2247 OO Gauge Live Steam > >To answer my own question - I found this on the Hobby Barn Online web site: > > OO gauge 16.5mm gauge @ 1:76 scale > >Product reviews and ads in the British model railway magazines suggest that >these live steam locomotives with electric heat (no fire) are state of the art. > The Hornby technology would need to be sized up to S gauge @ 1:64 scale! How >about a real steam whistle in S gauge? > >Jim Lott >Southern Indiana S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30630	From: mblaskov@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Switch switch broke!

Help! I broke the copper contact inside the control switch for a set of AF 720 switches on my layout. This particular control switch is the cheaper kind without the lights. After 50 years, the copper just snapped. I've looked online at a couple of sites: Leventon Hobby Supply and American Flyer Trains (rfgco.com) Does any one know of replacement parts for this unit. I don't see any replacement parts listed. Does any one have any orphan control switches? I would prefer the kind with the lights. These trains were so well made, but time is taking a toll! Thanks, Mike Blaskovich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30631	From: Tim	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: steam whistle in S gauge

I get it now! If the whistle, meaning the apparatus which makes the sound, was reduced by 1:64, the sound would be higher-pitched. That is common sense. I thought Mike meant that if the whistle, meaning the sound wave, was reduced by 1:64, the resultant wave would be a higher frequency. I don't understand the physics behind that. I guess if the wave was reduced by 1:64, the distance between the peaks would be reduced, resulting in a higher freaquency. Maybe that's what also happens when the whistle, meaning the apparatus which makes the sound, is reduced by 1:64 as well. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Michael Lueck Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: steam whistle in S gauge Yes! Much! Thanks for the clarification. I get it now! :) :) Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Lueck To: Tim Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: steam whistle in S gauge --Original Message Text--- From: Tim Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:51:00 -0400 >I don't get it. If you reduced in size a real steam whistle down to S scale size, it would be so small that the pitch of sound it would make would not be audible to the human hear. Gilber hid an "out of scale" whistle in the 314AW tender which we can hear. Better???? PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30632	From: Tim	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: One more time

Hey, It's been quiet on the List lately, except for me. I just have this one more thing, then I'll shut up: If the entire musical scale was reduced by 1:64, that would be minor! Okay, I'm done now. Off to York! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30633	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: One more time

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:03:59 -0400, Tim wrote: >It's been quiet on the List lately, No kidding, everyone else in the YorkBorg? I thought sure I would get at least one opinion back on my motor question... nadda! >If the entire musical scale was reduced by 1:64, that would be minor! Depends on what notes you pick to scale down to 1:64... *wink* If you scaled them all down you could have both major and minor. Get our your Swiss Army Knife. And actually, some hacks will do that with pipe organ pipes to hack together their own Mixture rank wannabe. The scale of the remaining portion of the pipe is still off... but then I did call them a hack anyway. Oh... this is the S-Trains list... oops, I'll explain a bit and then keep quiet. Think of the piano... C--------C--------C--------C--------C ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ A mixture "plugs in" other pitches along with C (saying you are pressing the C key) C--------C--------C--------C--------C ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ And as you play different keys, D for example, then the various pitches two notes up play for that key. They are LOTS of fun to try to tune. There are also mutations which is basically like dropping an E pipe in the C hole and so forth. Thus with new computerized organ relays one can do all sorts of elaborate mixtures and mutations without hacking on the pipes. The UK folks love all sorts of odd mixtures and mutations in their organs... such as the "Blackpool Ballroom" sound. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30634	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: O-Mule (MP Plymouth DDT) to S - The saga continues!

My S Friends, I've added some pix to my Bachmann Trolley motor File on the S-Trains list of the newest modifications for the Omule. I ground/filed the bottom half of the "ears" off the trolley chassis and mounted Kadee 802s. The sag seems to be because the couplers are held on with pieces of dowel rod because I couldn't find a matched nut-bolt-washer set - however - may also need to do some leveling of the "ears" with a file. I had to use two tiny screws (just above the footboards in the front view) to hold the "sandwich" together. I've also created a Photo Folder on the Sn42Conspiracy Yahoo List showing some of my Sn42 works-in-progress. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30635	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Possible new product: etched Geep steps

For those who do not subscribe to the S-Scale list where this was first posted. Hi all- Here is a chance to have a vendor produce something for S scale provided there is an interest. I know of a few S scalers who desire etched steps as replacements for the cast steps on an AM GP-9 and GP-35. I wrote to A-Line (http://www.ppw-aline.com/detlloco.htm) , maker of etched steps for a number of different makes of HO diesels, about the possibility of having some S scale steps produced. The happy news is that A-Line is agreeable to at least consider making the steps. I am willing to send a GP-9 and GP-35 shell to have them examined and get a quote on the project cost. Before I do so, I'd like to see how many S scalers would definitely be interested in buying the steps. Please let me know if you're interested and I'll get back to Joe at A-Line about whether we want to proceed or not. This product would be a great complement to the BTSRR & DPH diesel details already available that many are using to modify AM Geeps. While we're on this subject, are there other diesels for which you would like to see steps produced? Thanks Stan Furmanak Annville, Pa Stan; I would be glad to look into doing steps for these American Models units. If you could send me one of each unit I could give you a quote on how many I would have to sell to make it worth doing. Our addresss is; Aline P O BOX 2701 Carlsbad, Ca. 92018 UPS address Aline 1732 Laurel Rd. Oceanside, Ca. 92054 Please insure the units for their value. "KEEP MODELING" Joe PPW-ALINE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30636	From: roy inman	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: virus spams

I have been getting a rash of virus spams lately. Anyone else experiencing similar? The one that took the cake this morning said "Here it is," referring to a subject line that said "Important document attached." Woe be unto he or she who opens THAT one. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30637	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: virus spams

Hi Roy I just got one that my Norton's caught. It say Is that your car John At 12:14 4/15/2004, roy inman wrote: >I have been getting a rash of virus spams lately. >Anyone else experiencing similar? >The one that took the cake this morning said "Here it is," referring to a >subject line that said "Important document attached." >Woe be unto he or she who opens THAT one. >Cheers :) >Roy Inman > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30638	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: spam

When I checked my e-mail Wednesday morning I found 28 overnigh messages -- 20 of which had nothing whatever to do with model trains in S or any other scale. Today (Thursday) the numbers were 33 and 23. This sort of thing has been a daily occurence ever since I signed on to S Trains, but lately it's been getting worse. Does S Trains have no moniter? Does Yahoo accept money from people who don't belong in this loop? I have not been able to make contact with Yahoo to find out. I wish these people were in Canada, where I could get at them. Any suggestions? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30639	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: UPDATE American flyer 322 tender choo-choo....

Hello All, with your help I found the solution for the choo-choo sound, I put some stuf on my bellows to become air tight, seal, and supprise the sound of choo-choo start and strong to heard at a good distance, thank you very mutch for your help, my another engine 290 choo-choo inside the boiler is better for the sound but the 322 is not bad, that's the parts of the hobby I like, repair old engine from the attic sitting on a shelf for 40 years+. Pierre. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30640	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam

I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of email spam!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30641	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: spam

Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the reason I joined the group. Some self-restraint may be in order. Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they run on AC and DC? Thanks. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam > I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of email spam!!!!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30642	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Putt trolleys...

***((((Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they run on AC and DC? Thanks.)))*** Dave,.... I believe Barb (on the list) has been running a Putt trolley. Barb....ya back from York yet??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30643	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam

***(((Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the reason I joined the group.)))*** That IS a valid point Dave,.....however, Joe's question was about spam that might be generated from our very own Yahoo S-Trains !!! He didn't join the group to receive tons of spam, and neither did I! Although, myself,.....I'd rather receive "In-house-babble-spam" then the spam with attachments that COULD have a virus, that I've been getting! Of course, I am not blaming S-Trains, as I cannot prove the spam is coming from there. And not every train related post is going to be of interest to everyone.....so I D-E-L-E-T-E. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30644	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Mapping Suggestions Please

I just stopped by our local library to visit the local history room. They have maps used for fire insurance - two of them, one from 1908 and one from 1932. They are huge... like probably each page is C size paper I'm guessing - 24" by 36" maybe. The details are amazing... trackage!!!!! Innards of factories - top down views of what various parts of the factories were used for. And... it is a very disorganized mess! Some details have had newer buildings pasted right over top of the old ones... but you can still see a bit of what is below. North is not always up. Hardly any page is complete, various parts of the map is carved out and in its place details of a building appear. To try to get an accurate single picture of town, any mapping software suggetions? Should I attempt RRTrack software for this.... I think townships are 9 x 9 miles. And stick track sure ain't fast for building a city of the scale I've discovered Kalamazoo once was.... never mind the custom crossings required. Then there are all the roads and buildings too. I think the maps if I remember the scale correctly said 1" = 100'. Anybody have a bigger room than my 15' x 25'???? I will have to take HUGE artistic liberties in my rendition. And NO I am not switching to N scale... yyuuuccckkk!!! Thanks Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30645	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: A New National High-Speed Train Network

Hi Folks Here is an interesting website http://www.newtrains.org/pages/354049/index.htm John Foley NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30646	From: Chris	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Artistic Liberties

Michael Lueck is concerned that his layout won't exactly represent reality. Michael, everyone takes artistic liberties when building a layout. For one thing, it would be a life's work to recreate even a small city in miniature, a job something on the order of the Sistine Chapel ceiling. Secondly, reality always rears its ugly little head when it comes to scaling down. The world is a really big place. A parking lot that is 640 feet across by 640 feet deep would take up a ten by ten footprint on your layout. Would you want to waste that much real estate on a car park? And would you want to buy all those cars to fill it up? A real parking lot is there to accomodate cars that are sure to need the space. A parking lot on a train layout is there to lend the illusion that the townspeople need a place for their cars, and then you dress up the lot with some cars. The trick, I think, to capturing the flavor of the town you want to model, is to use that great sounding source material you are into and try to capture the area in the era in which you would like to see it. Find dates on those maps and note when changes were made. Try to recreate whole blocks of buildings and their layout on the street in the period. Look up photo books of the area and correlate the pix with the maps, if at all possible. Go to the city hall and ask to see more maps and building elevations and pictures. Tell the clerk that you are building a replica of the area. Copy what you can. In the end, you will build something far smaller and more scaled down than the original would be if it were simply reduced 64 times. The track plans for the yards and sidings will be simpler, too. But try, if you can, to find the one thing about the original that made it so interesting and capture that. Perhaps there was a lot of street level track and traffic had to wait while trains were made up or cars were set out. Maybe the trolley line crossed the railroad or each siding paralleled it's own street or a switch tower was unusually located. Whatever it is, make sure that it is there so people looking at it get a feel for the town as it was. Like an artist, you will capture a feeling. If you do well, even an old timer will look at your model and remember that that's the way the city looked and felt. Don't worry about accuracy in size. Remember, there is no basement big enough to justify the use of sleeper cars in any gauge. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30647	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: Artistic Liberties

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:02:02 -0000, Chris wrote: >Michael Lueck is concerned that his layout won't exactly represent >reality. No not really... I was saying I will HAVE to take those artistic liberties otherwise yes things like a 10' square parking lot would waste a lot of space. Anyway, first I think I need to get a decent map put together of what once existed, then put it on slim fast to fit in our room. Basically pick out some industries to model, and boy are there plenty that once existed, plop those out within the room where they belong, and transition the scene from industry to industry - sure, hundreds of buildings will be skipped. Getting the map drawn, well that's where I'm at right now. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30648	From: theheadliner	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Re: spam

All of you who are accusing Yahoo of causing the spam are wrong. I have a dozen email addresses. I use each for a different purpose. I only receive AM Flyer emails at this address. To date I have not received a single piece of spam mail here. I will eventually, I am sure when some spammer's robot finds me. Several other addresses I use are filled with spam. It is just a matter of whether the spam robots have found you. Don't leave the group because you think they are the cause, they tain't. Jerry --- On Thu 04/15, Rick Evans < bassflyer@... > wrote: From: Rick Evans [mailto: bassflyer@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:48:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam ***(((Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the reason I joined the group _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30649	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Greatest toy train bloopers

This was on the TCA list, as this person is quite lucky to be alive in my opinion. Never thought that track could be so dangerous. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe McGettigan" <jmcgett@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: [toytrains] Greatest toy train bloopers > << Okay, who can top this story? Let's hear your favorite "most embarrassing predicament involving a toy train" anecdote. >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Mine was both embarrassing, painful & lesson learned. Ouch! > > XMAS eve 1978. > > I had setup the platform & tree and was asked by the wife to vacuum up > the mess. I went to get the vacuum cleaner and brought it into the > family room, where I still had a few boxes left from setting up > the XMAS trains. One of which was a box of Lionel track that was > stacked in the box, ends down and up, with the track pins facing > upwards. The box was placed in front of, and under the electrical > outlet. > > As I leaned forward to plug in the vacuum cleaner I tripped and fell > forward with the left hand going into the box. Three pins entered the > left wrist piercing the vein between the wrist and hand. I know red > is one of the holiday colors but liquid red isn't one of them, it was > everywhere. > > Our car at the time had a four speed shift & the wife couldn't drive > it, so I ran to the neighbors house to drive me to the emergency ward. > > Nine stitches later, two in the vein, I was home for the holidays! > > Moral of the story, no not lay track flat, teach your spouse to drive > a stick shift even if it costs you a clutch! Which of course, I did > many weeks later after the wound healed! > > McGett > 86-24255 > > -- > > > ___ ~ > ____|O|____|__ > +++++++++++++++++++++++| P R R |++++++++ > Best regards: McGett =OO--------OO= > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Home Page: HTTP://home.ix.netcom.com/~mcgett > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30650	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: Why should I

belong to TCA if I already do not???? Well, let's see. You would have gotten to see one of South Jersey S Gauger's new shirts, as their Mike Packi (ours first) was parking cars all day for TCA at NTTM. Free admission to NTTM anytime during regular hours. QUARTERLY and HEADQUARTERS NEWS. H'mmm, oh yea. The several members of both S-Trains and TCA in attendance this PM got to go on an impromptu Layout Tour at NTTM volunteer Jeff's home. Jeff is quite the operator in a limited space and was running several American Flyer loco's and lots of Flyer accessories. I think Barb will need her own photo lab after this trip. There are other reasons to belong to TCA if you do not already. I will share some of them from time to time, one of which I became privvy to this AM for the first. Gotta run, headed out early for the "world's most expensive breakfast" in York. Livin' on the Keystone Main, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30651	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/15/2004
Subject: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

If it's a Funnel Cake stand, I'll be there--in spirit at least. Since this is an invisible meeting, have a few extra funnel cakes on me, especially if they're covered in strawberries, or the like! S' David D.--too far away to be there this year, but someday. . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30652	From: Chris	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: The Dangers of Model Railroading

>Three (track)pins entered the left wrist piercing the vein between >the wrist and hand. You can always tell a train junkie by the track marks in his arms. Ever cary an armload of track? What happens to the inside of your upper arms? "Hmmm, Watson. They seem to be in pairs, approximately seven eighths of an inch apart. Great Scott, my good man, he must be an 'S' gauger!" CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30653	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: Possible new product: etched Geep steps

I'll go for it... seeing as how I plan to model a couple of GP-35s and a couple of GP-9s soon. So count me in for TWO sets of each (4 total). John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Furmanak, Stan" <furmanak@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Possible new product: etched Geep steps > For those who do not subscribe to the S-Scale list where this was first > posted. > > Hi all- > > Here is a chance to have a vendor produce something for S scale provided > there is an interest. > I know of a few S scalers who desire etched steps as replacements for the > cast steps on an AM GP-9 and GP-35. I wrote to A-Line > (http://www.ppw-aline.com/detlloco.htm) , maker of etched steps for a number > of different makes of HO diesels, about the possibility of having some S > scale steps produced. The happy news is that A-Line is agreeable to at least > consider making the steps. > > I am willing to send a GP-9 and GP-35 shell to have them examined and get a > quote on the project cost. Before I do so, I'd like to see how many S scalers > would definitely be interested in buying the steps. Please let me know if > you're interested and I'll get back to Joe at A-Line about whether we want to > proceed or not. This product would be a great complement to the BTSRR & DPH > diesel details already available that many are using to modify AM Geeps. > While we're on this subject, are there other diesels for which you would like > to see steps produced? > > Thanks > > Stan Furmanak > Annville, Pa > > Stan; > I would be glad to look into doing steps for these American Models units. If > you could send me one of each unit I could give you a quote on how many I > would have to sell to make it worth doing. Our addresss is; Aline > P O BOX 2701 > Carlsbad, Ca. 92018 > UPS address Aline > 1732 Laurel Rd. > Oceanside, Ca. 92054 > Please insure the units for their value. > "KEEP MODELING" > Joe > PPW-ALINE > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30654	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: ac gilberts secret or is it?

Did the genious of Mr. A.C.GILBERT invent the american flyer 290 steam locomotive design or was his source from a prototype concept? AS, we know the no.290 american flyer steamer was the original 1st S- gauge locomotive mfg"d in toy trains & s-gauge scale! ; the other Americanflyer locos were carry overs from the o-gauge flyer before the WWII. Ihave a few 290s none have as much detail as do all the other steamers. But my favorite American Flyer steamer is the Atlantic 300 with the railings, 4pc front end, eib design. And that had a O-gauge body assembled to a S-gauge chasis.Was the lack of articulation detail a cost savings purpose or was it ,the290 ,a actual PROTYPICAL TAKEOFF realistic copy for the Gilbrert Line,?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30655	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: ac gilberts secret or is it?

The 290 was modeled after a New Haven pacific. The prototype had air tanks mounted on top of the boiler which were omitted on the model. I have a low resolution photo of it that I emailed to you. Those getting this as a reply to Yahoogroups will not get the attachment because it gets stripped by Yahoo. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "polpolk9" <polpolk9@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ac gilberts secret or is it? > Did the genious of Mr. A.C.GILBERT invent the american flyer 290 > steam locomotive design or was his source from a prototype concept? > AS, we know the no.290 american flyer steamer was the original 1st S- > gauge locomotive mfg"d in toy trains & s-gauge scale! ; the other > Americanflyer locos were carry overs from the o-gauge flyer before > the WWII. Ihave a few 290s none have as much detail as do all the > other steamers. But my favorite American Flyer steamer is the > Atlantic 300 with the railings, 4pc front end, eib design. And that > had a O-gauge body assembled to a S-gauge chasis.Was the lack of > articulation detail a cost savings purpose or was it ,the290 ,a > actual PROTYPICAL TAKEOFF realistic copy for the Gilbrert Line,? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30656	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke

Paul, Please contact me offlist at: dmunsey@... - not only have I lost my password for your site BUT I can't remember my nickname either. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30657	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: A Momentous Occasion!

Hi All, An S Scale record-breaking event happened this past Wednesday night. I ran my K4 pulling an 18-passenger car consist never before assembled in S Scale at my friend Bill Moore's house. You can get a taste of the action here: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/At_Home_On_The_Head_End.jpg The consist was: 1) Phlaudler Milk car River Raisin Models http://riverraisinmodels.com 1) REA X29 Pennsy S Models http://www.pennsysmodels.com 3) R50b Southwind Models http://www.southwindmodels.com/index.html 4) P70r Southwind Models 2) Troop cars River Raisin Models 1) X42 Kitbashed 1 of a kind, and OH the calamity of it all, NOT MINE!! 5) Various P70 Kitbashed from American Flyer cars by Vic Roseman 1) Observation S Helper Service http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html That is 11 brass cars! The K4 got a little slippery when I put the final 2 brass P70 on the train but it did pull it. It ran flawlessly! The River Raisin Troop Kitchen and Sleeper cars knocked me out. They have working diaphragms! It was a wonderful night running trains. Dan will be getting the studio photos of the painted X29 on our website hopefully tonight. The REA version of the X29 is starting production very soon. You can download the PDF order form there. I have also updated my Lanes Trains Website with some recently completed HO and O Scale models. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30658	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: S events

>> Hi group. Where can I find information on the Spree? > http://www.cosg.org/ Remember, you can put calendar dates and LINKS in our Yahoo Groups webpage. Make it easy for people to find information about your S events. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30659	From: trainman634	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: American Models Track & Switches

Are there any problems anyone on this forum has had using American Models track and switches on their layouts?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30660	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30661	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: ac gilberts secret or is it?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "polpolk9" <polpolk9@y...> wrote: > Did the genious of Mr. A.C.GILBERT invent the american flyer 290 > steam locomotive design or was his source from a prototype concept? The 290 series Pacifics did indeed have a real life prototype. See photos of the real-life 29X prototype class at the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/files/AFPrototypePhotos/AF290Series/ Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30662	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: On30 -> S conversion pics

While looking at those Prototype pics in the yahoo group file area, I found the pics of On30 conversions to S. Funny I should see those... I just saw a rather nice On30 Shay powered logging train at a local hobby store. How big is the On30 -> S conversion job? There didn't seem to be text or author name with the files. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20ON30%20Conversion/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20ON30%20Conversion/ An S Shay would be interesting... though belongs way up North and not in Kalamazoo.... toss a mountain in the layout and put it there! *wink* (I know, then just lay a bit of On30 track....) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30663	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

Dave, The meeting ended up at the funnel cake stand. Barb has pictures coming as soon as she returns to Florida. I thought you had heard, we now allow Collyfornians in PA. For a short time anyway. Hope to see you in the fall. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30664	From: Dave W	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: 2004 Flyonel

And what is the opinionel of Flyonel 2004? I ask because I am relatively AF-ignorant and just got the catalog. All rants welcome. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: The group meets

All who signed up to meet today got together at the funnel cake stand outside in the beautiful Pennsylvania sunshine. Only one missing who signed up was Chris Zizzo. Where in the world was Chris Zizzo??? Hope all is well, let us know. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30666	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: On30 -> S conversion pics

Michael, I did the conversions you mentioned. Converting Bachmann ON30 freight cars is very easy, I've done many of them. Converting the passenger cars is a bit more work, I did one set of those. I have not looked close at the shay but I imagine it would be quite a bit of work. Not only would the wheel base need to be widened, bit all of the related external gearing. A talented kitbasher could do it but I think it would take a lot of skill and patience. A much simpler conversion is the Bachmann ON30 trolley. See the file on this in the files section. All this takes is swapping the wheelsets out with SHS hi-rail diesel sets and changing the axle gears over. This chassis can be used for many different "S" projects. Its a wonderful little, low profile chassis. I building a little 30 ton Plymouth DDT switcher with one now. Steve Blancard Michael Lueck wrote: > While looking at those Prototype pics in the yahoo group file area, I found the pics of On30 conversions to S. Funny I should see those... I just saw a rather nice On30 Shay powered logging train at a local hobby store. How big is the On30 -> S conversion job? There didn't seem to be text or author name with the files. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20ON30%20Conversion/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20ON30%20Conversion/ > > An S Shay would be interesting... though belongs way up North and not in Kalamazoo.... toss a mountain in the layout and put it there! *wink* (I know, then just lay a bit of On30 track....) > > Michael > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30667	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Track & Switches

No, i've been using them for several years now and have had no problems. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30668	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 on Tour

Hi All, I have taken a table at the Pennsy convention http://www.prrths.com/PRR_UpCome.html to showcase the X29 pilot model, have some of my PRR Builders Photos for sale, and discuss paintwork. Please stop by to see me. If you have a model you would like painted, please bring it so I can give you a quote. Dan and I will also be stopping by the S Spring Spree http://www.cosg.org/2004%20S%20Spree.html the same weekend. I will not have a table there so please look for us probably on Saturday morning. We will also be at the NASG convention in the end of July with a table. http://www.2004nasgconvention.com Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30669	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: ARE repros worth it?

you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. Then again many fakes have a awesome price tag. its as the price paid is the buyers perogatiove.then again should that price be the guide line of value. after alkl the fake item is and always will be a fake.Unfortunately those dealing in fakes are over-glossed to enamor their attitude with the more vague termn reproduction.the bottom line is a fake is a fake,and a fake means the item is bogus in part or in whole. at polaroid co. the stock holders took a sizeable embarassment when the instant film maker lost big time a plagiarism law suit. you see the big ceo their was having the company secretly manufacture copyies of famous painters and sell them. he rejected the corporations patent attorney Ms. KLIEM's legal advice "to be upfront honest and label the product with the truth it was a reproduction,. thats what the TCA"s policy too states to it's membership. every one can prefer to do what they want to -by their ownership, Why even if you by a automobile on credit you can change much of its appearance while you actuoally dont own the car and not tell anyone, but your car insurance may not cover it. thus from my many observations of our hobby i ponder you too. does our tains get the equivalent insurance value tag price if the piece is repro. and should the TCA be more out going in its policy to enforce proper labelling be exident on reproduction pieces.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30670	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

At 11:13 PM 4/16/2004, WJJIM@... wrote: >Dave, > The meeting ended up at the funnel cake stand. Barb has pictures coming as >soon as she returns to Florida. I thought you had heard, we now allow >Collyfornians in PA. But I'm not sure they're allowed to go through Ohio! Dick Aurora, OH >For a short time anyway. Hope to see you in the fall. > Jim Lyle > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30671	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Omule conversion to 1:64 atd ga photo essay

My 1:64 friends (and a few On30 folks), I have posted the 3 latest pix in my photo essay of regauging the Bachmann On30 trolley motor and the ModelPower Plymouth DDT to 1:64 std ga (coupler mounting scheme and detailing x2). I have moved the entire essay from Yahoo to my album on Paul Yorke's website. Here is the link to the album http://S-Scale.org/albums/albuo52 I also have put a few of my works-in-progress pic in the album I need your comments and suggestions please! Enjoy! THNX, don Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30672	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Pictures of the portable / public display layout

I just posted 6 pictures of the portable layout that I have had for 20 years. Look under Ironhorse.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30673	From: Tim	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?

Whew! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: polpolk9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. Then again many fakes have a awesome price tag. its as the price paid is the buyers perogatiove.then again should that price be the guide line of value. after alkl the fake item is and always will be a fake.Unfortunately those dealing in fakes are over-glossed to enamor their attitude with the more vague termn reproduction.the bottom line is a fake is a fake,and a fake means the item is bogus in part or in whole. at polaroid co. the stock holders took a sizeable embarassment when the instant film maker lost big time a plagiarism law suit. you see the big ceo their was having the company secretly manufacture copyies of famous painters and sell them. he rejected the corporations patent attorney Ms. KLIEM's legal advice "to be upfront honest and label the product with the truth it was a reproduction,. thats what the TCA"s policy too states to it's membership. every one can prefer to do what they want to -by their ownership, Why even if you by a automobile on credit you can change much of its appearance while you actuoally dont own the car and not tell anyone, but your car insurance may not cover it. thus from my many observations of our hobby i ponder you too. does our tains get the equivalent insurance value tag price if the piece is repro. and should the TCA be more out going in its policy to enforce proper labelling be exident on reproduction pieces. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30674	From: xitter1224	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?

Jay, Everything after Adam and Eve is a reproduction. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "polpolk9" <polpolk9@y...> wrote: > you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. Then again many > fakes have a awesome price tag. its as the price paid is the buyers > perogatiove.then again should that price be the guide line of value. > after alkl the fake item is and always will be a fake.Unfortunately > those dealing in fakes are over-glossed to enamor their attitude with > the more vague termn reproduction.the bottom line is a fake is a > fake,and a fake means the item is bogus in part or in whole. at > polaroid co. the stock holders took a sizeable embarassment when the > instant film maker lost big time a plagiarism law suit. you see the > big ceo their was having the company secretly manufacture copyies of > famous painters and sell them. he rejected the corporations patent > attorney Ms. KLIEM's legal advice "to be upfront honest and label the > product with the truth it was a reproduction,. thats what the TCA"s > policy too states to it's membership. every one can prefer to do what > they want to -by their ownership, Why even if you by a automobile on > credit you can change much of its appearance while you actuoally dont > own the car and not tell anyone, but your car insurance may not cover > it. thus from my many observations of our hobby i ponder you too. > does our tains get the equivalent insurance value tag price if the > piece is repro. and should the TCA be more out going in its policy to > enforce proper labelling be exident on reproduction pieces.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30675	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: spam

I use Yahoo for my email for the group and spam is deleted or put in to a seperate folder where I delete it.Although I get very few,was at York fof a week only 5 were put into the spam folder. Bob theheadliner <theheadliner@...> wrote: All of you who are accusing Yahoo of causing the spam are wrong. I have a dozen email addresses. I use each for a different purpose. I only receive AM Flyer emails at this address. To date I have not received a single piece of spam mail here. I will eventually, I am sure when some spammer's robot finds me. Several other addresses I use are filled with spam. It is just a matter of whether the spam robots have found you. Don't leave the group because you think they are the cause, they tain't. Jerry --- On Thu 04/15, Rick Evans < bassflyer@... > wrote: From: Rick Evans [mailto: bassflyer@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:48:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam ***(((Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the reason I joined the group _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30676	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award

Hi Folks There is still about a month left to vote for your favorite S website. Remember it can be a club, commercial, or individuals site. Just look for the Josh Seltzer Website Award click here to vote button. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30677	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: York, not the last word

Well, York officially closed some six hours ago and the assemblage has spread to the many corners of the earth. Hoping everyone found at least some of what they were looking for and all returned home safely. Some lingering questions however, did Bob Connor drive all the way home or fly part of the way??? Did Barb really get everything into carry-on??? Did all in attendance have at least ONE Crab Cake Sandwich??? I wandered into all of this on a whim and a fancy, best time I have had in a very long time, even with the rain and the wind. Met some very interesting people, at least a few of whom went on our last minute Strasburg layout tour. You really should join TCA if you do not already belong (more details later on that issue). Some in the group heard of the Conestoga & Northern Railroad, located in Grasselville, suburban Conestoga PA. As good fortune would have it, I am now able to invite all who would come to Conestoga to join us July 10th for FIREWORKS, our redesigned 12' by 18' S gauge layout AND the 12" gauge Conestoga & Northern RailRoad, providing rides to fans of all ages. Directions to follow. Conestoga PA is a hamlet in Southern Lancaster County, adjacent to the late, great PRR's Port Road. I'm done reporting for now, let the returnees take it from here. Might even join the chat if it makes it past 11PM Livin' on the Keystone Main, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30678	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: EDIECAST - Diecast Merchandise Search Results

S scalers (and S gaugers), I don't know how close to being 1/64 scale these actually are, but they appear to be darn close... have a look : http://www.ediecast.com/cgi-bin/edlist.cgi?pmode=SEARCH&search_str=military+1/64&pics=OFF&pg=ALL Corgi does it again! John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30679	From: Tim	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: York

Hey, York is dead! Long live York! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30680	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Railway gun project

I thought you guys might like to see the railway gun project I'm working on. It is a Minicraft model of the WWII German K5(E), known as "Anzio Annie". It will be adapted to run on two 644 crane care chassis. It still has a long way to go, but should be pretty impressive when its finished. Its in my custom rolling stock album on Paul Yorke's web site. Here's a link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album94 Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30681	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: Railway gun project

In a message dated 04/17/2004 8:07:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time, splitdorf@... writes: I thought you guys might like to see the railway gun project I'm working on. It is a Minicraft model of the WWII German K5(E), known as "Anzio Annie". It will be adapted to run on two 644 crane care chassis. It still has a long way to go, but should be pretty impressive when its finished. Its in my custom rolling stock album on Paul Yorke's web site. Here's a link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album94 Steve Blancard Aw, c'mon build the Gustav gun. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30682	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...

I feel offended by some of non-tolerant views of reproductions... I am reproduction (at least formed by reproduction) and do I not bleed when cut... Reproductions have feelings too! Some day an enlightened society may even allow reproductions to legally marry! Personally - I am definitely for reproduction activities -try it you may like it... Reproductions rule! -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; polpolk9 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? Whew! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: polpolk9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30683	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2004
Subject: On30 conversions....

Steve didn't mention his hand-dandy little web page on conversions!! http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html Rick "bassflyer Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30684	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: ARE repros worth it?

Hi Gents, Here is another opinion on the repro question. Why do you want the item or the part? If the answer is to preserve history, then the reproduction item has some value. Museums regularly preserve historically important things by producing a diorama or representative reproduction (perhaps in a smaller scale) depicting the original item or event. The curator is in the business of sharing the information and of encouraging interest in the subject. Attend a museum gift shop and you will nearly always find reproductions of some of the original items in the collection. Historical preservationists are not intolerant of reproductions nor of the owners thereof. If the answer is that you want the item as an investment, then the reproduction item is actually offensive. The existence of shiny new, fully-functional reproductions reduces the market demand for dusty, rusty and unreliable originals. Naturally, the people with an existing investment will resent the reproductions. People with an investment of any kind become conservative on the subject. "I got mine and you will have to pay more to get yours!" is the essence of their governing philosophy. Investment owners will nearly always be intolerant of reproducers and the buyers of reproductions. If you want the item because you like the item for itself, then it depends on whether you want to use the item for your own sake or to reminisce about the previous owners, their lives and the era in which the item originated and through which it has traveled. Either kind of owner is unlikely to be intolerant of the other type. Their goal is one of personal enjoyment. So, when you hear or read a statement from any of our colleagues resenting the existence of reproductions, remember the message that is being sent between the lines. Have a delightful S-scale day, Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30685	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Then there's Barb

I've just returned from attending the TCA Meet at York. Without a doubt, at least for me, the best part of the meet was meeting and talking with the members of the S-Trains group, just a great group of people. Then there's Barb. One of the most intelligent, our-going and friendly persons I've meant in a long time. There should be more people like her; the world would be a much nicer place to live in. This lady has accomplished more than most people would in five lifetimes. Of all her accomplishment the one that amazes me the most is the fact that despite having 11 children, she is able to maintain her petite figure. I'm sorry Barb, but I just had to let the rest of the members know. You should write a book and let the world know how you did it. One last item, did you purchase the #342? We all love you, I hope you know that. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30686	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: trades

Offering for trade: Flyer 24558 Canadian Pacific flat. No trees' Two A.M. smooth-soide cars decorated for NYC. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30687	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: What did you Yorkies get?

I always love a good train find story! Tell us what you found at York. After a year of finding no Flyer, I came across a poor 312 SIT set. The $10 price was right, but this chooch has been ABUSED! They had bent metal wires in the brush slots in the SIT mechanism. Who carried SIT baffles again? Jacques P.S. VW camper bus is up and running! I actually installed a motor in something 1 to 1 scale.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30688	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: What did you Yorkies get?

Guys and Gals.... First reports..... I haven't unpacked the car yet... But I do know there is a 5002T AF Circus set out there.... All Really nice.... 1 car has a small chip on the cage...will replace sometime...all boxes and stuff are nice.... punch outs have a small waterstain in one area that doesn't affect the punchouts....tickets flawless...14....C & O set.... 370 set.... uncat HO set in the box... will try to post a list tonight...... BUT THE BEST PART!!!!!!!!!!!!! I met SO MANY SUPER NICE GUYS, AND A GAL, UP THERE.............WHAT A GREAT BUNCH WE HAVE........ RIGHT NOW I am so tired...drove straight thru from York to Fla... around 18 hours.... and yes guys.... we got engaged.... will post a pic tonight.... only 400 pounds +-....but she will need love and attention....... love is something I have lots of....... got to get a trailer and go back for her.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=63679 &item=2470783854&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What did you Yorkies get? > I always love a good train find story! Tell us what you found at York. > > After a year of finding no Flyer, I came across a poor 312 SIT set. The $10 > price was right, but this chooch has been ABUSED! They had bent metal wires > in the brush slots in the SIT mechanism. > > Who carried SIT baffles again? > > Jacques > > P.S. VW camper bus is up and running! I actually installed a motor in > something 1 to 1 scale. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30689	From: sparkee664	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Thanks for the responses

I'd like to thank those that responded to my newbie question. I've been checking different sources for an inexpensive diesel and I'm sure I'll find something agreeable. I've done a lot of repairs on O/O27 toy trains and really enjoy turning a junker into an operating loco. Actually I'm building two small, portable layouts for use in my Church's outreach ministry. One will be O/O27 with Lionel and Marx dominating and I'd like to build the other in S gauge. I'm doing these out of pocket hence the budget. Thanks again for the input. Sparky

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb

Someone needs to create an "S" super woman award and present it to her!!!!!!! Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30691	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Roaring Camp--Felton, Calif.

Well... I didn't make it to York,....but did get to ride a narrow gauge train!! We made another trip up to Roaring Camp in Felton Calif. Photos at the folowing link--- http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo53 Check their website @ http://www.roaringcamp.com/index.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30692	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Roaring Camp--Felton, Calif.

Great photos, Rick. Looks like everyone had a good time. Thanks for sharing. Dick Aurora, OH At 03:00 PM 4/18/2004, Rick Evans wrote: >Well... >I didn't make it to York,....but did get to ride a narrow gauge train!! >We made another trip up to Roaring Camp in Felton Calif. >Photos at the folowing link--- >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo53 > >Check their website @ http://www.roaringcamp.com/index.html > > >Rick. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30693	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb

Walt.... It was great meeting you 2... when I last saw her around 9:30 she still hadn't gotten one.... I left at 11:20... Drove straight thru... Got here at 5:00 AM.. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Then there's Barb > I've just returned from attending the TCA Meet at York. Without a > doubt, at least for me, the best part of the meet was meeting and > talking with the members of the S-Trains group, just a great group of > people. Then there's Barb. One of the most intelligent, our-going and > friendly persons I've meant in a long time. There should be more > people like her; the world would be a much nicer place to live in. > > This lady has accomplished more than most people would in five > lifetimes. Of all her accomplishment the one that amazes me the most > is the fact that despite having 11 children, she is able to maintain > her petite figure. I'm sorry Barb, but I just had to let the rest of > the members know. You should write a book and let the world know how > you did it. > > One last item, did you purchase the #342? > > We all love you, I hope you know that. > > Walt > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30694	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb

Fred..... I gave her a private AWARD..... Only special people get one.... Ask her!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <waltdanylak@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Then there's Barb > Someone needs to create an "S" super woman award and present it to her!!!!!!! > > Fred > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Fighter figures...

I found these little guys in a toy vending machine for 25 cents each! They are crouching, so when they stand up, they will be taller then an "S" scale figure! They are made from a flexible rubber. In the photo is an "S" scale figure for comparison. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun41/Fighter_figures I got four figures, a duplicate of one,.....I wish I coulda got TWO of the boxers, I could paint one differently.....and used them for a boxing match on my "Ol' Timey" layout. I found these when I was outta town,....I'll start looking for a machine around here. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30696	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Then there's Barb

on 4/18/04 11:48 AM, fredstrainparts@... at fredstrainparts@... wrote: > Someone needs to create an "S" super woman award and present it to her!!!!!!! Go to http://www.nasg.org/awards.html#BTMA and review the NASG Bernie Thomas Memorial Award. If Barb fits the description of the Award, send your NASG Regional Vice President a nomination for Barb for the award. Since I do not know Barb, I can not do the nomination. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30697	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Spring S Spree Update!!

List: All tables have been sold for the Spree in Columbus, Ohio, April 29 and May 1. Less than two dozen of the Timken special edition boxcars are left Don't miss out -- visit the cosg.org website for further details. Don't miss attending the only all S Gauge Train meet held in the Spring -- this year in Central Ohio. See you here, S gaugers!! Central Ohio S Gaugers Hosts for the 17th Annual Spring S Spree P.S. - YOU MUST CALL THE HOLIDAY INN EAST DIRECT at 614-868-1380 IN ORDER TO RESERVE YOUR ROOM AT OUR SPECIAL RATE. DO NOT CALL THE HOLIDAY INN 800 NUMBER!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30698	From: beebear	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Information Please

Hello all Does anyone have a copy of Model Railroader Magazine for July 1991? I'm looking for the information on pages 76 through 84. I saw this layout on Kalmbach railroad layout video # 4. I wrote to the president of that club and he said there was no information archived on how to build the structures. If someone could look and see how detailed the information was that would be great. Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30699	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30700	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: Re: Information Please

ANOTHER great reason to join TCA if you do not belong. Call Jan Athey at TCA H-Q at 717-687-8623 and request her help. Jan is an excellent researcher, published author of some renown and another great TCA staff member. Livin' on the Keystone Main Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30701	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 4/18/2004
Subject: 660

Greetings to all! The 660 light has started to "flicker" . It does this going forward but not in reverse. As it works well going backwards ... Could this be a bushing and if so, how is the shell removed from the frame? Thanks for any help you can provide! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30702	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: polpolk9@yahoo.com

i noticed the union label on the a.c.gilbert american flyer catalogs that were published in the 50's. was gilbert a union outfit? was the printing done by a outside contractor? thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30703	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Wanted: Geep Cab

My friends, Does any one out there have a basket case GP-7 or 9 shell (brand is not important) that has a good cab they'd be willing to part with?. I want to try and bash up a 1:64 standard gauge version of the EMD Model 40 critter. Contact me off-list please to arrange terms!!! THNX, don Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30704	From: knockbill	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 660

Hi Charlie Try cleaning the axles where they contact the side frames...grease, dirt & oil can form an insulator.. To remove the shell,,, it is either pinned or screwed from the bottom, if pinned, just heat the pins quickly with a soldering iron & pry them loose, you can usually just pull up on the trucks/frame while heating, after the 1st one is out (this is for the plastic bodied car) the aluminum cars should be screwed Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30705	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...

Hi, Not to offend, but I recently converted an old, crapped-out 925 Gulf Tanker to a Penn Salt Tanker. I did 90% of the lettering by hand with an 18-0 detail brush. First, I air-brushed on the lavender color, which I hand-mixed. Here's a link, where I uploaded the pic: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.dnm=Hand-lettered+and+decaled.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Tim%2bBrown%2bProjects%26.src=gr%26.view=t You'll probably be prompted by Yahoo for your password to view the folder. It's in the group photo section. To save disc space, I didn't include a "before" pic of the 925 Gulf Tanker. We all know what one of those looks like. I bought a couple box loads of junk for rehab projects at York. I think this time was the most fun I ever had, bantering with some of the dealers for the best prices. It was good-natured bantering on both sides and I think we all had fun with the process. I have at least six months of projects now, converting junk to high-end look-alikes for my own Flyer pike. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: 'Tim' Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Stop hating reproductions... I feel offended by some of non-tolerant views of reproductions... I am reproduction (at least formed by reproduction) and do I not bleed when cut... Reproductions have feelings too! Some day an enlightened society may even allow reproductions to legally marry! Personally - I am definitely for reproduction activities -try it you may like it... Reproductions rule! -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; polpolk9 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? Whew! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: polpolk9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30706	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 925 conversion....

***((((Not to offend, but I recently converted an old, crapped-out 925 Gulf Tanker to a Penn Salt Tanker. I did 90% of the lettering by hand with an 18-0 detail brush. First, I air-brushed on the lavender color, which I hand-mixed. Here's a link, where I uploaded the pic:))))*** Nice job Tim!! WoW! Hand-lettered!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Salt Lake Tribune Article

Hi all; Just FYI, the bad PR concerning logo licensing for UP continues. Salt Lake Tribune Article: Licencing Model Trains: Union Pacific puts price on logo http://www.sltrib.com/2004/apr/04172004/utah/157952.asp From: Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30708	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: UP

Several weeks ago I and others on this forum wrote to UP with regards to the unfairness of their licensing policies. Several of their responses have been posted. I think it is wonderful that someone brought this up at there stockholder's meeting. Had I been a UP invester and could I have afforded to attend it, I would have. Afterall, it is the correct forum for those of us and the stockholders to express concerns about a company's policy. You and I can't get much done here. But the stockholder's meeting is a different matter. It definitely is a blck eye for UP. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30709	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2253

Subject: RE: ARE repros worth it? My opinion is if you like the item and the price is right, but it ! LEAVE the investing to the banks. Most of us realize that in a few years you will have to give the train stuff away. Most young people are not interested in building any thing, modeling any thing, repairing ( even if they knew how ). If it won't work on a Game boy or computer they are just not interested. They are just a different generation, with different interests. Their are more of us train collectors than new people in the hobby. I have three sons, a son in law, four grandsons. I have only one grandson, 3 yr. old still interested & I hope he remains involved with the trains. For us just enjoy the moment. Sorry I didn't get to York sounds like every one had a very good time. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30710	From: knockbill	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Paint color

Hi Does anyone know of a spray paint which would match the color of a 930 or 977 caboose?,I want to repaint just the roof & would like to get as close a match as possible... Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30711	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Compare

Check out the number on this photo that was given to me by a local modeler; compare it to the numbers on the engines available from AM! http://www.frontiernet.net/~trlarson/photos/csx8762am400.jpg -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30712	From: trainman634	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Mounting American Models Track

This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or track nails or what?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30713	From: trainman634	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: S-Scale Engineer

Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30714	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam

Hi Dave, I have been running a Putt Trolley for over a year. It is wonderfully reliable and just continuously runs its little wheels off. It is easy to wire the circuit board that comes with it to stop the trolley at one or multiple stations. Mine runs on AC and reverses directions when it hits the "end of the line". I believe there is also a DC version. Dave, Terry Putt is a most responsive gentleman to deal with. When I ran into a problem with my trolley (which turned out to be of my doing and not the trolley's) he didn't give up until he found a solution to my problem. Every couple of days, he sent me another idea of something to check out. In other words, customer service is top notch. Don't hesitate to contact him with any questions. puttrain@... Barb Dave Highfield wrote: > Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to > trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the > reason I joined the group. Some self-restraint may be in order. > Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good > success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they > run on AC and DC? Thanks. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam > > > I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of > email spam!!!!! > > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30715	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam

Hi Again Dave, I think I made a mistake in my email response to you. My trolley runs with a DC transformer not AC. I don't know if there is an AC version available. Sorry ...Barb Dave Highfield wrote: > Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to > trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the > reason I joined the group. Some self-restraint may be in order. > Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good > success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they > run on AC and DC? Thanks. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam > > > I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of > email spam!!!!! > > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30716	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

Ten penney spikes and construction adhesive! The operative word is "stability". :) ;) Okay, "wink, wink", "nudge, nudge", "Lola", "Ralph". ":0", "Hmm-hah", "yoy and double yoy", etc... Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: trainman634 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mounting American Models Track This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or track nails or what? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30717	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

I use white or carpenter's glue. This is more than adequate, especially after ballast is added and cemented. Others have different adhesive preferences and I'm sure they work well too. . There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mounting American Models Track > This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. > How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or > track nails or what? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30718	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer > Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > SHS for one. I think maybe Artista, too. There are others. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30719	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: CURVED RUBBER ROAD BED

ANYONE INTERESTED IN ROAD BED WITH TRACK FOR $2.25 EACH CONTACT ME OFF LIST PLEASE, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30720	From: Alex	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: spam

I have two Putt trolleys. I removed the bridge rectifier in both, so now they run on DC, which lets me reverse them at will. I think they're reasonably well made. They include voltage regulators for constant lighting. Sometimes the wheel brushes on mine get cantankerous if I don't run them for awhile, but an occasional dab of Caig DeOxit on the brushes where they rub on the wheels eliminates that intermittent contact problem. == Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:42 PM To: Dave Highfield Cc: S Train e-group Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam Hi Again Dave, I think I made a mistake in my email response to you. My trolley runs with a DC transformer not AC. I don't know if there is an AC version available. Sorry ...Barb Dave Highfield wrote: > Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to > trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the > reason I joined the group. Some self-restraint may be in order. > Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good > success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they > run on AC and DC? Thanks. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam > > > I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of > email spam!!!!! > > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30721	From: Alex	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Putt trolleys

I have two Putt trolleys. I removed the bridge rectifier in both, so now they run on DC, which lets me reverse them at will. I think they're reasonably well made. They include voltage regulators for constant lighting. Sometimes the wheel brushes on mine get cantankerous if I don't run them for awhile, but an occasional dab of Caig DeOxit on the brushes where they rub on the wheels eliminates that intermittent contact problem. == Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:42 PM To: Dave Highfield Cc: S Train e-group Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam Hi Again Dave, I think I made a mistake in my email response to you. My trolley runs with a DC transformer not AC. I don't know if there is an AC version available. Sorry ...Barb Dave Highfield wrote: > Most S-train emails (like these three sentances) that do not relate to > trains are (IMHO) also spam. They are non-virus, but not related to the > reason I joined the group. Some self-restraint may be in order. > Now, regarding trains, has anyone been running Putt trolleys with good > success? Are they dependable and well made for continuous running? Will they > run on AC and DC? Thanks. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spam > > > I'm not sure WHERE it comes from,.....but I have also been getting TONS of > email spam!!!!! > > > > Rick. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30722	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

I used 7/16" or 1/2" long "O" gauge spikes and pre-drilled holes in the ties for them. Carl -----Original Message----- From: trainman634 [mailto:wes6464@...] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mounting American Models Track This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or track nails or what? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30723	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes6464@n...> wrote: > This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. > How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or > track nails or what? I use 1/4" long #0 wood screws installed through small holes drilled and countersunk in the ties. I install the screws about every 3 inches in curves (to hold the flextrack to the intended radius) and about every 5-6 inches everywhere else. The track is installed over painted homabed roadbed, with pads of cork gasket material between the ties and homasote to deaden sound. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30724	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: UP

Good Evening List, Over the past year I have read and responded to this policy several times, I don't care for it much at all, even read the statements that Catapillar charges around $2000 for an examination fee and about 98% of the applications for products are turned down...and from a back issue of Toy Farmer I remember reading a CAT product license was about $87,000...Ok so much for all that ....what never has been said that I have seen was what the UP would do with the license monies? Just what if it funded projects like the runs 3985 is making....????? My guess would be that we better hope the income from the train logos does not go to fund the 3985 cause I doubt it would make it 50 feet. Lots of folks went early and stayed late to watch the engine thunder across their turf, uuuuuuaaaagh thanks Union Pacific for a once in a lifetime thrill......yeah company policy leaves alot to be desired, wonder what it cost them to operate, well they still are operating, the 3985.......bet anyone that saw it thought it was money will spent. And yes I know my good friend from the central part of the State, got to see the locomotive in action...... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP > Several weeks ago I and others on this forum wrote to UP with regards to the unfairness of their licensing policies. Several of their responses have been posted. I think it is wonderful that someone brought this up at there stockholder's meeting. Had I been a UP invester and could I have afforded to attend it, I would have. Afterall, it is the correct forum for those of us and the stockholders to express concerns about a company's policy. You and I can't get much done here. But the stockholder's meeting is a different matter. It definitely is a blck eye for UP. > > Bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30725	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...

Your car looks great and nothing wrong with making a junk look good. Bob Persing Tim <Timboy@...> wrote:Hi, Not to offend, but I recently converted an old, crapped-out 925 Gulf Tanker to a Penn Salt Tanker. I did 90% of the lettering by hand with an 18-0 detail brush. First, I air-brushed on the lavender color, which I hand-mixed. Here's a link, where I uploaded the pic: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.dnm=Hand-lettered+and+decaled.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Tim%2bBrown%2bProjects%26.src=gr%26.view=t You'll probably be prompted by Yahoo for your password to view the folder. It's in the group photo section. To save disc space, I didn't include a "before" pic of the 925 Gulf Tanker. We all know what one of those looks like. I bought a couple box loads of junk for rehab projects at York. I think this time was the most fun I ever had, bantering with some of the dealers for the best prices. It was good-natured bantering on both sides and I think we all had fun with the process. I have at least six months of projects now, converting junk to high-end look-alikes for my own Flyer pike. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: 'Tim' Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Stop hating reproductions... I feel offended by some of non-tolerant views of reproductions... I am reproduction (at least formed by reproduction) and do I not bleed when cut... Reproductions have feelings too! Some day an enlightened society may even allow reproductions to legally marry! Personally - I am definitely for reproduction activities -try it you may like it... Reproductions rule! -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; polpolk9 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? Whew! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: polpolk9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30726	From: uvl97222	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Sound card

Hi all, I picked up a sound card for a tender on ebay with a lot of A F good junk parts. Can any one help me test it out by telling me how it hooks up? There are four wires "Blue & Black" then "Red& Black" oh, and the speaker wires too. There is the letters" ISD & DAST on one of the chipes too, but there is no name on it. If this will only work on DC I could put it in my blue Christmas train that I run around the tree at Christmas. I should say I do have some DC flyer too. Long live Flyer! UVL97222 Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30727	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

Doup Peck sells a set of diecast, painted engineer and fireman figures. I've used them several times on my custom locos, they look real good to me. There about $6.00 a set. Steve Blancard trainman634 wrote: > Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30728	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

I forgot to add a link to some photos of my custom Franklins that have Doug Peck's engineer and fireman. Take a look: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/mercer3 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/Franky8 Steve Blancard trainman634 wrote: > Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30729	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

You go, Steve! And how did you do the lettering on the tender? You're a credit to your gauge! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Blancard To: trainman634 Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer I forgot to add a link to some photos of my custom Franklins that have Doug Peck's engineer and fireman. Take a look: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/mercer3 http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/Franky8 Steve Blancard trainman634 wrote: > Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30730	From: keefer1	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions...

> I only collect repros, I have repro trains,repro dolls,repro parts.I figure with all the repro haters out there the market will dry up, and the manufacturers will all quit making.Then watch the price of my repros sky rocket!!!!! --- ROBERT PERSING <boblines51@...> wrote: > Your car looks great and nothing wrong with making a > junk look good. Bob Persing > > Tim <> wrote:Hi, > > Not to offend, but I recently converted an old, > crapped-out 925 Gulf Tanker to a Penn Salt Tanker. I > did 90% of the lettering by hand with an 18-0 detail > brush. First, I air-brushed on the lavender color, > which I hand-mixed. Here's a link, where I uploaded > the pic: > > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.dnm=Hand-lettered+and+decaled.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Tim%2bBrown%2bProjects%26.src=gr%26.view=t > > You'll probably be prompted by Yahoo for your > password to view the folder. It's in the group photo > section. To save disc space, I didn't include a > "before" pic of the 925 Gulf Tanker. We all know > what one of those looks like. > > I bought a couple box loads of junk for rehab > projects at York. I think this time was the most fun > I ever had, bantering with some of the dealers for > the best prices. It was good-natured bantering on > both sides and I think we all had fun with the > process. I have at least six months of projects now, > converting junk to high-end look-alikes for my own > Flyer pike. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Davidson > To: 'Tim' > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:18 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Stop hating reproductions... > > > I feel offended by some of non-tolerant views of > reproductions... > > I am reproduction (at least formed by reproduction) > and do I not bleed > when cut... > > Reproductions have feelings too! > > Some day an enlightened society may even allow > reproductions to legally > marry! > > Personally - I am definitely for reproduction > activities -try it you may > like it... > > Reproductions rule! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:16 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; polpolk9 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? > > Whew! > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: polpolk9 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:13 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] ARE repros worth it? > > > you know nothing is worth collecting if its a fake. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25� > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30731	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: My First York

Hi All, I was told before I attended York that it would be nothing like any train meet I had previously attended. What I wasn't told was that it would be a life changing experience. My York experiences fall into three categories: 1) Trains. I have never seen so many trains in one place at one time! I got everything on my wish list and then some. The 3 items on my wish list I was able to find in near mint condition (Sorry I stole your 994, Bill). My learning curve about engines and rolling stock, repairs and layout considerations was astronomical. There is more knowledge at York than I ever dreamed. (And I thought our List had the corner on information and expertise!) All I had to do was listen. Occasionally, I even asked a question. The Gilbert Get Together was like attending a seminar on S trains. The information came from not only the presenters (some of whom were from our S-Trains list) but the 87 (I counted them) attendees as well. The individual dealers and independent sellers in the halls were more than willing to share information and ideas. And, for the most part I found them honest and sincere. 2) People. This is hard for me to articulate. But the 32 of you from this S-Trains list who attended are just awesome. It has been my experience over the years that I have had a difficult time getting other model railroaders to take me and my train passion seriously. There was not a hint of that when we were together. The 'community' of S-Train.com'ers was so evident. I somehow felt that we were a brother and sisterhood that just hadn't seen each other in awhile. Those little badges we wore were like a magnet. Somehow, when I needed you to be there during a consideration or negotiation of an engine, piece of rolling stock or accessory, one of you would appear as if by magic. And lastly, I can't remember when I have laughed so much. It didn't matter whether it was a planned or impromptu gathering, it was just pure fun. 3) The trip home. After many inquires of whether I would have trouble getting through security at the airport with my 2 carry on bags (yes, Jim, I got it all into my carry-on bags), I expected no trouble. The first hint that I was in for a difficult time came at the check-in desk. The man behind the counter checked my luggage but would not send it through because he believed that security would not allow my carry-ons to clear the security check. I would then have to return to the check-in desk and transfer the metal items to my checked luggage. (I would have rented a car and driven home to Florida before I would have checked my treasures!) When I got to security, all progress of the line came to a halt. A security supervisor was called and I was made to unwrap every single item in my 2 bags - every item!! The item they were most concerned about was 90-degree crossings. But they even looked inside both my 283 and 342 engines and my saw mill. My heart was in my mouth the entire 20 minutes. I told them how valuable the boxes and engine wraps were and asked them to let me open them but they would not let me touch them. When they decided to clear me (fortunately, one of the security guards was in awe of my stash and provided me much support), I repackaged everything and heaved a huge sigh of relief. My last concern was how upset the people behind me in line were for holding them all up. But what occurred was a round of applause from the 40 or so people who watched all of this investigation with great interest. Trains are just magic! From there I proceeded to the gate feeling like the weight of the world had been lifted from my shoulders. The last hurdle was to ensure that the checked luggage being held at the check-in desk was sent through. You guessed it, it wasn't! My plane was delayed 2 1/2 hours most of which was spent seated by the window of a packed plane. I arrived home at 1:45 AM and had a speech to give in Fort Myers at 9:00 AM. From there I proceeded to the airport to retrieve my delayed luggage. And now all is well except that I am a bit short on sleep. To summarize this epistle, I want to thank all of you who were there for making my first York an experience I will treasure always. For those of you who were unable to attend, I encourage you to consider attendance in October or April. It is a given that the volume of trains and related material will blow you away. But, the camaraderie of this group when we meet in person will lift you spirits, make you laugh and enrich your life. Many thanks ....Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30732	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2254

In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:43:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:58:38 -0400 From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re: Stop hating reproductions... Tim, I couldn't see it on the link. Was it invisible? Oh, sorry, that was concerning another thread on this digest LOLOL. Seriously, I think it's a great job and I am getting ready to work on a couple of engines with my buddy. When we get through with them, I think the only thing anybody will recognize regarding American Flyer is that they fit on the track. Long live reproduction parts. We need them if we are to keep our toys running. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30733	From: dav21248	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: 988 Reefer door

Will a door off a 947 reefer match up color wise with 988 reefer? Thanks, Dave Loucks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30734	From: Tim	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: 988 Reefer door

It will if you repaint it! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: dav21248 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 988 Reefer door Will a door off a 947 reefer match up color wise with 988 reefer? Thanks, Dave Loucks S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30735	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: Re: My First York....and the Airlines

Your Airline description reminded me of my trip out west in Feb....When I informed the inspector I was carring my 2 - .380's in a locked case... He said he would have to see them.... But would I please kinda lean over them while I opened them SO PEOPLE BEHIND ME WOULDN"T SEE THEM AND GET UPSET!!!!!!!... everything went very smooth.... but remember I was concerned about Security.... Guys.... think very sickley.... how many weapons could you use from train products????... A 290 would make a heck of a Blackjack!! Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30736	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/19/2004
Subject: My first York Al Kielek

Greetings All! First of all, I want to thank everyone for making this trek, a great experience. Like Barb, I to was on a BIG learning curve, the Thurs nite get together was incredible! I have only seen AF like this in books. The guy who had the original production drawings of various AF items(21140,PA's, passenger cars etc) was most gracious in letting me look at them. I felt I was reading the toy train equivelent of the Dead Sea Scrolls! All that I had met at the shows from the list were friendly and made the experience much more memorable. Thanks to Robert Tufts for tolerating my many questions about AF. I wish my going home experience was as good. First, my flight out of Philly was delayed 2 1/2 hours due to severe thunderstorms in around Minneapolis(TORNADO). Landing was very tense. Missed my connection to Calgary by 10mins. Slept on the floor of the airport till my flight out at 11:17am. And to top it off, they lost my luggage! Good thing I packed all by train goodies in my flight bag! Underwear and other civil necessities can be replaced! Anyways, it was a great trip, one I hope to repeat again. Now, sleep..zzzzzzzzzzz Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30737	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: My First York....and the Airlines

Bob, Will the airplane be ready to come to York in October and will it haul all the goodies back on one tank of fuel?? "Politicians and diapers need to be changed frequently for the same reason" Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30738	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: THE BOARD vs. GREENBERG

note the bids on AMerican FLYER post war are running low on E BAY.IS it due to the OIL prices being controlled by opec. And does the price in GREENBergs price guide be adjusted to the buyers market trend. people in trains on both sides of the aisle had the cliche going-- "did you see the ebay numbers on it?" whats happening? is we on a BEAR market.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: UP

FYI you can make all the Catapillar models you want and it will not cost a thing. But you can not put the cat name on them. GM tried to stop some models of their cars from coming in from over seas. Because they did not have any GM name on them the could not be stops. Name also includes emblem. Thank you Larry Jackman On Monday, April 19, 2004, at 08:54 PM, Gale Hall wrote: > Good Evening List, > > Over the past year I have read and responded to this policy several > times, I > don't care for it much at all, even read the statements that Catapillar > charges around $2000 for an examination fee and about 98% of the > applications for products are turned down...and from a back issue of > Toy > Farmer I remember reading a CAT product license was about $87,000...Ok > so > much for all that ....what never has been said that I have seen was > what the > UP would do with the license monies? Just what if it funded projects > like > the runs 3985 is making....????? My guess would be that we better > hope the > income from the train logos does not go to fund the 3985 cause I doubt > it > would make it 50 feet. Lots of folks went early and stayed late to > watch > the engine thunder across their turf, uuuuuuaaaagh thanks Union > Pacific for > a once in a lifetime thrill......yeah company policy leaves alot to be > desired, wonder what it cost them to operate, well they still are > operating, > the 3985.......bet anyone that saw it thought it was money will spent. > > And yes I know my good friend from the central part of the State, got > to see > the locomotive in action...... > > gale hall > ----

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30740	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

Out #00289 engineer and fireman pattern were made for us by Dennis Debattista or Arttista. They come decorated and are cast in polyester resin. The cost is $4.95 for the pair and were modeled after our favorite engineer Howie Walder. Artttista also have decorated soft metal fireman and engineers, at least two sets. At one time Scenery Unlimited had a standing crew. Don C. E. Smith wrote: >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:45 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer > >Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30741	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Musings

Tim Brown--beautiful job on the Penn Salt re-paint. Great seeing you at York. Barbara Rudnicki and Jim Lyle--great meeting both of you in person at York. Thanks for the hugs, Barb!! Mike Marmer--thanks for the picture. It was nice seeing you again at York and getting to meet Linda. A's and FSU rule!! All of the rest of the S-Listers who stopped by in the Orange Hall, thanks. Expect big things from K-Line in S!! Toy train collectors hate reproductions!! Toy train operators love reproductions!! Thankfully, A.C. Gilbert was an operator, not a collector. I love operating my Washington set on our modular layout. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30742	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Musings

Joe, You message states "FSU rule". Are you refering to Florida's Secondrate University??? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30743	From: knockbill	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Paint

John, Thanks for your reply, I couldn't reply through your e-mail.. server error?? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30744	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: My First York

Barb, I am sorry to read about your ordeal at the airport and I can image what you were going through! Glad everything worked at, in spite in the delay of the plane. But be thankful you didn't buy a mint or near mint TNT exploding car! Think what that would of cause at the airport. Or those little barrels for the barrel loader or the barrels for the operating box cars. They would thought they were mini bombs or someting! Good to see you and all on Friday, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30745	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Musings

Joe, It was great to finally to see you, as I missed you two years ago at York, but I did see your truck! LOL! The rain destroyed my note on your windshield that day. And yes, we will root for those Philadephia A's, Kansas City A's or maybe the Oakland A's! And someday Maryland will whip FSU! Dream on for me! Thanks for the parts list. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30746	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

We used paneling glue - Liquid Nails - on our modules. This holds the track in place but allows you to move it into position. For added strength during transporting, we drilled every 5 or 6 ties and spiked it to the roadbed, dipping the spikes in Elmer's glue. Time consuming process that you may not need on a home layout. Gregg Mummert > >Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:40:14 -0000 > From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> >Subject: Mounting American Models Track > >This is a question for members of this group using American Models track. >How do you fasten the track to the roadbed? Do you use small screws or >track nails or what? > _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30747	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: The Emperor's New Crabcakes

Tim: We missed you at the crab cake stand, as they were great. I highly recommend them next time, as they are far better than overrated Phillips of Ocean City, MD and Baltimore. A huge crab cake. Jim: It was good to see Friday David: I thought of you, as the Funnel Cake stand was right in front of us at the Friday meeting of S list and they had a Pumpkin Funnel Cake! No funnel cakes for me however! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30748	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Friday Dinner

To all who went to dinner on Friday night: I am sorry that my wife and I didn't make it, when we said we would be there! We really enjoyed meeting you all at 1, but we decided to leave York at 5, since we had a long day, getting up at 5 am and driving to York and walking the halls all day and having a great time. I wasn't looking forward to the long drive home in the dark for two hours on country roads, Route 30 and Route 15 and then the interstate for two hours. I felt it was a safety issue of driving and I didn't want to do that. I really felt bad and almost thought of sending a message out on the intercom at York! Next York, we will stay over for the night, as we originally planned to do that, but forgot we had a folk concert on Saturday night at the Barns of Wolftrappe. We could of stay the night and made to the concert fine, but we all the hotels booked and not thinking about the drive home until that afternoon, it didn't work out. Hopefully, dinner on Friday's will continue and we will be there. It was great to meet you all, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30749	From: waldootten	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

First, I covered the top of the layout with Homosote. I used a tacky gray HO ballast that came in 2-inch wide rolls and pressed the track into it. (Worked good, looks great, about $14 for a 30 foot roll, if I remember correctly. Other operators said it looked like it was poured in place.) Then -- where needed, like the outside rail on turns -- I used black half-inch RR spikes I picked up at a hobby shop. Pressed them into the Homosote with heavy duty needlenose pliers and hooked the top flange on the lower part of the rail, just like in real life. This may be overkill, but I built my layout so it could be moved as soon as we find our dream house (one with a bigger layout room!). Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30750	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: What Steam Locomotive(s) would you like to see made next for S? o USRA Light 4-8-2 o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk o USRA 2-10-2 o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 o C&O 4-6-4 o PRR L-1 Mikado o a 2-10-0 Decapod To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30751	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

Anything that runs on rails is fine with me. And every steamer ever build could not have been listed, for sure. But what about a Hudson Dreyfus or other streamlined steamers/ And what about articulateds? And how about a western road name, like the ATSF Blue Goose or UP Challenger (also Clinchfield)? Respectfully, Roy Inman ---------- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:02 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S? > > o USRA Light 4-8-2 > o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) > o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk > o USRA 2-10-2 > o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 > o C&O 4-6-4 > o PRR L-1 Mikado > o a 2-10-0 Decapod > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30752	From: Tim	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

I'd like to see a red one that smokes! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains Anything that runs on rails is fine with me. And every steamer ever build could not have been listed, for sure. But what about a Hudson Dreyfus or other streamlined steamers/ And what about articulateds? And how about a western road name, like the ATSF Blue Goose or UP Challenger (also Clinchfield)? Respectfully, Roy Inman ---------- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:02 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S? > > o USRA Light 4-8-2 > o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) > o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk > o USRA 2-10-2 > o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 > o C&O 4-6-4 > o PRR L-1 Mikado > o a 2-10-0 Decapod > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30753	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

Hey, actually I like the idea of a red one that smokes too! The famous "Red Train" of the Chicago & Alton was a winner. K-Line makes it in sorta 027 size for three rail (shudder). Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:02 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > > What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30754	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Could someone come up with URL's of a pic for each. I'll be the first to admit to being a beginner! *wink* Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30755	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Hi Michael Try the links below John Could someone come up with URL's of a pic for each. I'll be the first to admit to being a beginner! *wink* Michael What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S? > o USRA Light 4-8-2 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/fec/fec-s437.jpg > o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) C&0 > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co-s2783s.jpg NKP http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp-s762ahv.jpg Erie http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-s3308w.jpg > o NYC L series 4-8-2 > Mohawk http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-s2492ahv.jpg > o USRA 2-10-2 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ble/ble522.jpg > o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-s6713ahn.jpg > o C&O 4-6-4 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co-s492as.jpg > o PRR L-1 Mikado http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-s203abn.jpg > o a 2-10-0 Decapod http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-s2488w.jpg > > >To vote, please visit the following web page: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 > >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >web site listed above. > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30756	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: NMRA special car problem

I'm including the warning below in the June Dispatch, but wanted you all to know about it ASAP. I received a letter from a member of the NASG and NMRA. In it he mentioned something that our other members who also belong to the NMRA should be made aware of. In Scale Rails magazine for April 2004 on page 21 there is an offer for cars lettered for Harold Carsten's "Susquehanna Northern". Pictured is a 3-bay hopper. Our member ordered one and what arrived was a box car (PRS). There was nothing in the ad that mentioned the type of S car that would actually be produced, thus misleading anyone who saw the ad. I notified the NMRA about this and hope that in future ads, they will indicate the type of car that you would receive if you ordered the S version. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30757	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer

Tim, The tender lettering on the maroon color Franklin is dry transfers lettering. The blue "Mercer" Franklin has custom made decals on the tender sides. Steve Tim wrote: > You go, Steve! And how did you do the lettering on the tender? > You're a credit to your gauge! :) :) Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Blancard > To: trainman634 > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer > I forgot to add a link to some photos of my custom > Franklins that have > Doug Peck's engineer and fireman. Take a look: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/mercer3 > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65/Franky8 > > Steve Blancard > > trainman634 wrote: > > > Does any company make a plastic S-Scale Train Engineer? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30758	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Thanks for the links John. OK, one other Q list. How standardized was the tender for a specific engine type? I really like tenders with 6 wheel trucks like the 32x and 33x AF engines. Just wondering if one pic does / does not show six wheel tender trucks is that REALLY the ONLY way that specific engine type came with? I found a really nice HO model of the PRR M-1a, so that in S sure gets my vote. http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/m1asamp.htm Six wheel tender trucks, on-the-fly water filling, and good old PRR too. Thanks Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30759	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Careful on that western stuff Roy. The big UP will come and get you with their quest for profits from the model train industry! I hear there was a question raised at the stock holders meeting about this issue and management was short on positive comments. Seems as though nobody was checking to see that the administrative activity was producing a profit from the sale of rights. Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:03 PM To: S-Trains Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains Anything that runs on rails is fine with me. And every steamer ever build could not have been listed, for sure. But what about a Hudson Dreyfus or other streamlined steamers/ And what about articulateds? And how about a western road name, like the ATSF Blue Goose or UP Challenger (also Clinchfield)? Respectfully, Roy Inman ---------- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:02 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S? > > o USRA Light 4-8-2 > o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) > o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk > o USRA 2-10-2 > o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 > o C&O 4-6-4 > o PRR L-1 Mikado > o a 2-10-0 Decapod > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30760	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: Mounting American Models Track

Drill a hole in the middle of three widely spaced ties, use brads to tack them down to cork roadbed which you've previously glued to your subroadbed (I use pink insulation). Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30761	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

There was no place to specify on the poll, but I like the PRR M1a's with the cast pilots, not the footboards. They used both types on the Elmira Branch about '48 and '49, when I was in high school and learning to tell a mountain from a decapod. In the summertime we swam in a creek under the railroad bridge where coal trains came in to the Elmira yards from Williamsport, on the way to Lake Ontario for loading into coal ships. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > What Steam Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made next for S? > > o USRA Light 4-8-2 > o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) > o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk > o USRA 2-10-2 > o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 > o C&O 4-6-4 > o PRR L-1 Mikado > o a 2-10-0 Decapod > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30762	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: First York and airlines

really enjoyed York,went into"train overload",but survived.good to meet everyone and put faces and names together.several years ago,while visiting in-laws in Phoenix AZ i bought a 21234 at an antique store.we packed it in a suitcase with clothes,and carried it on.shut down the entire security checkpoint(pre 9/11).everyone had to have a look at the x-ray screen.no one asked what it was,i just kept my mouth shut and played dumb(one of my better skills) we finally were allowed to board the plane.what we won't do for our trains! :>) Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30763	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/20/2004
Subject: My Goodness!!

Hi All, Upon my return from York, I read in my emails of which there were 195. Near the end of loading them in, I received a message from earthlink that my inbox was full. Today when I was reading all the past messages on S-Trains, I found a few messages that had not made it into my inbox. One was the following from Walt Danylak: **<< From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@c...> Date: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:15 am Subject: Then there's Barb I've just returned from attending the TCA Meet at York. Without a doubt, at least for me, the best part of the meet was meeting and talking with the members of the S-Trains group, just a great group of people. Then there's Barb. One of the most intelligent, out-going and friendly persons I've met in a long time. There should be more people like her; the world would be a much nicer place to live in. This lady has accomplished more than most people would in five lifetimes. Of all her accomplishments the one that amazes me the most is the fact that despite having 11 children, she is able to maintain her petite figure. I'm sorry Barb, but I just had to let the rest of the members know. You should write a book and let the world know how you did it. One last item, did you purchase the #342? We all love you, I hope you know that. Walt >>** First, thank you Walt for the more than generous compliments. Second, the 11 children comment was a joke. I have NOT had 11 children. I know you know I said it in jest as did all the others at the dinner table. But anyone who wasn't at the table might actually believe you. So I felt compelled to dispel this rumor. Like you, Walt, the best part of the York experience was meeting and getting to know, at least a little, the list members who attended. You're right - a great group of people. It was my sincere pleasure to meet everyone. I only missed Al Galli who was not at his table in the Blue Hall when I stopped by. Sorry to have missed you, Al. One last item, I did purchase the #342 ...:-) Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30764	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Hi all: I would certainly vote for a 2-8-4 or 4-8-2 engine that had wide useage (like the light USRA type) rather than a one road engine (?) like the PRR's M1a. (I am sure that the list will advise me if the M1a was used on other lines!). This is because I would like to get some larger power for the ATSF. Thanks for the info. >>What Steam Locomotive(s) would you >>like to see made next for S? >> >> o USRA Light 4-8-2 >> o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) >> o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk >> o USRA 2-10-2 >> o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 >> o C&O 4-6-4 >> o PRR L-1 Mikado >> o a 2-10-0 Decapod >> >> >>To vote, please visit the following web page: >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 >> >>Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >>not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >>web site listed above >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30765	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: First York and airlines

Hi: Thought I would relate one of my episodes coming from Norway to the US about a year ago. I was bringing one of AM's sets of B&O combination heavyweight/shorter passenger cars (minus the engine but in the nice box made for the total set) to the US, and I decided to carry it on the plane rather than put it through with my other usual luggage (it wouldn't fit in the luggage). Of course going through passport control/x-ray, the box (wrapped in bubblewrap, paper, string) was taken off the conveyer by the woman inspector to one of the head people who was checking the x-ray screen and I was asked by them what it was, to which I answered a model train - and they answered "Of course!!" and let me go without unwrapping it. This conversation was in Norwegian so it could have been dicey from my point of view as I am a little dangerous when I speak Norwegian. After thinking about it, I could see that some long, plastic looking materials with small wires running from the wheels to some lights might look a little suspicious! Anyhow, to quote the famous bard, "all's well that ends well". Rance Velapoldi (Norway) jjmemmer@... wrote: > really enjoyed York,went into"train overload",but survived.good to meet >everyone and put faces and names together.several years ago,while visiting >in-laws in Phoenix AZ i bought a 21234 at an antique store.we packed it in a >suitcase with clothes,and carried it on.shut down the entire security >checkpoint(pre 9/11).everyone had to have a look at the x-ray screen.no one asked what it >was,i just kept my mouth shut and played dumb(one of my better skills) we >finally were allowed to board the plane.what we won't do for our trains! :>) >Jerry > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30766	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

oops, sorry about the word "usage" in this post. Rance The Velapoldis wrote: >Hi all: >I would certainly vote for a 2-8-4 or 4-8-2 engine that had wide useage >(like the light USRA type) rather than a one road engine (?) like the >PRR's M1a. (I am sure that the list will advise me if the M1a was used >on other lines!). This is because I would like to get some larger power >for the ATSF. >Thanks for the info. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30767	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: You York Newbies

Geez, guys and girls. Take a breath! Us professionals(don't try this at home)do this twice a year... every year.................and you are all invited back again in the fall. Glad everyone had a good time. That's what it's all about. Even the late hour of the Gilbert Get-together isn't keeping it from growing. Spread the good word Barb! It was great to meet all of you. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30768	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > There was no place to specify on the poll, but I like the PRR M1a's with the > cast pilots, not the footboards. > Then you would prefer the M1b, not the M1a.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30769	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Oh, I'll take a loco that's an MIB anyday over one that's an MIA! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: stepdad56 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New poll for S-Trains --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > There was no place to specify on the poll, but I like the PRR M1a's with the > cast pilots, not the footboards. > Then you would prefer the M1b, not the M1a. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30770	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

This link shows a cast pilot M1 purported to be an M1a: http://www.webpraxis.ab.ca/cgi-bin/steam/_mpd/imgview.cgi/us/prr?6940.jpg This is a great steam loco site with more stuff than I've seen maybe anywhere. I believe the modernization might have been independent of whether the loco was built as an a or b. Will some SPF please straighten this out? There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "stepdad56" <stepdad56@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New poll for S-Trains > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > > There was no place to specify on the poll, but I like the PRR M1a's > with the > > cast pilots, not the footboards. > > > > > Then you would prefer the M1b, not the M1a. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30771	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree

List: Just talked to Holiday Inn East where Spree will take placeApril 30-May 1. Several have called and were given message by Holiday Inn that rooms all taken. NOT SO!! ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS OF THIS MORNING. BE SURE TO CALL THE LOCAL NUMBER 614-868-1380 and talk to Jennifer. Sorry for this inconvenience -- hope to see you there! Central Ohio S Gaugers Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30772	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: My Goodness!!

195 E-mails, WOW!! A popular lass you are!! You should still write a book, as I've only known one other female in the last 30 years of flyer buying, selling and collecting, that was into trains like yourself....It was nice meeting you Barb, and I hope to see you in the fall, and thanks for stopping by! Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30773	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Poll

We all ought to be thankful to AM, SHS ans others for the variety we do have. But somewhere down the line, I would love to see a 2-10-0 T&P Texan. What about a Shark Nose, C-Liner or DL109? Didn't someone produce a BL2 a few years back? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30774	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The New Poll

I opted to edit it, adding more time, and more choices. I would prefer to see the locos made by an affordable maker, say American Models or S-Helper. Brass locos are a bit too expensive for me. Sorry about the lost votes on the orginal. Vote again if you would please.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30775	From: David Engle	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Poll

For the BL-2, see Billy Wade, BTSRR. For the DL-109, see Hodgson or his dealers, but that one is hi-rail only unless you do your own thing for scale. I think Omnicon did a sharknose, but they are more rare than the prototype units. -----Original Message----- From: A.E. Johnson [mailto:bigfoot@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:51 AM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Poll We all ought to be thankful to AM, SHS ans others for the variety we do have. But somewhere down the line, I would love to see a 2-10-0 T&P Texan. What about a Shark Nose, C-Liner or DL109? Didn't someone produce a BL2 a few years back? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30776	From: editor	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree

List: Just talked to Holiday Inn East where Spree will take place April 30-May 1. Several have called and were given message by Holiday Inn that rooms all taken. NOT SO!! ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS OF THIS MORNING. -----------l Correct, but not at the event rate: $92.50 + taxes. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you like to see made? o Baldwin Sharknose o FM Erie Built o FM C-Liner o Lima 1200hp light road switcher o GE C-30-7 o EMD SD-40-2 o Alco C-420 o Alco C-630 o EMD GP-38 o something else To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1211255 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30778	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Where can we find pictures of these locos?? Would help in my choice (you can tell I am not an expert in this area!). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Norway) S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the >S-Trains group: > >Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you >like to see made? > > o Baldwin Sharknose > o FM Erie Built > o FM C-Liner > o Lima 1200hp light road switcher > o GE C-30-7 > o EMD SD-40-2 > o Alco C-420 > o Alco C-630 > o EMD GP-38 > o something else > > >To vote, please visit the following web page: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1211255 > >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >web site listed above. > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30779	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

***((((Where can we find pictures of these locos?? Would help in my choice (you can tell I am not an expert in this area!).)))**** Yeah....I'm with Rance!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30780	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: The New Poll

Hey, you might get a bit more specific / consistant with your descriptions. NYC 4-8-4... was there only one? Anyway, PRR S-2 Turbine 6-8-6.... oh yea... that was always my favorite Lionel steamer. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30781	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The Diesel Poll

Pics can be found in books- kalmbach has one on the first fifty years of diesel locomotives. its by Louis A. Marre. I'd try searching for the various prototypes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30782	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: The Diesel Poll

As a matter of fact look at the various other makers- HO, O, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30783	From: editor	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Room availability for S Spree

ExtendedStay Columbus East 2200 Lake Club Drive Columbus OH 43232 3.6 miles from the event - Reservation at Hotel.com: $49.95 per night + tax includes : Cable Tv Fully Equipped Kitchen Free Local Calls Microwave Dish/Cookware Direct Dial Telephone Refrigerator Handicap Accessible Cooktop Modem/Data Port Connection Coffee/Tea Maker Voicemail See you there! (490.6 miles from NJ!!!) Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30784	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: new locos...

Diesel doesn't interest me much.... ...BUT,....I want to see an "Ol' Timey" steam loco......CHEAP!! Not brass! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30785	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Hi Gang.......I would like to see a SD40 or SD40-2. Lionel should have made this when they cataloged it. Just about every railroad had these. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made? > > o Baldwin Sharknose > o FM Erie Built > o FM C-Liner > o Lima 1200hp light road switcher > o GE C-30-7 > o EMD SD-40-2 > o Alco C-420 > o Alco C-630 > o EMD GP-38 > o something else > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1211255 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30786	From: David Engle	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Room availability for S Spree

Anything similar for NASG in Chicago?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30787	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: new locos...

I like Rick's suggestion of a "cheap" old timey locomotive. By cheap I assume he means plastic and simple, but still nice. I have always thought the American Flyer pikemaster steam locomotive in Southern had great potential. It looked real cheap and I would prefer something that looked much better. But it was simple and had such great smoke. A small locomotive like this with great smoke and choo-choo would be a winner with me. Would it be commercially successful? I do not know. But it doesn't take monstrous brass locomotives to fascinate kids and be fun for even us "older kids" to operate. And this small locomotive was light enough and small enough to run through even the bad Gilbert switches with few derailments. At the same time it had enough power that it could pull quite a few of the new cars by SHS and AM that have great rolling wheelsets, unlike the old American Flyer. I would love to have a locomotive with these qualities: good looks, reasonable price ($200 or less), simplicity, great smoke and choo-choo. Earl Henry Nashville, TN. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30788	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Rates for S Spree Holiday Inn

List: Excuse me as I was not given all the information on my earlier post today. The special room rate for Spree rooms expired April 15, 2004. - Alan Evans Central Ohio S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30789	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

I would like to see Santa Fe Northern 2926 with sound and dcc. This engine is being worked on in New Mexico to one day chug the rails again. MTH made the model in it's Rail King Line a few years back. Yes I had to get one and it runs great. S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: What Steam Locomotive(s) would you like to see made next for S? o USRA Light 4-8-2 o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk o USRA 2-10-2 o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 o C&O 4-6-4 o PRR L-1 Mikado o a 2-10-0 Decapod To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30790	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Ol' Timey Locos....

I would like to see TWO older steam locos made. One being a loco from the old cowboy days, much like the AF Franklin.....and somethin' a little newer. Here are two photos of "somethin a little newer". http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album47/SP_Oweyno_CA http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album47/PCR_No_108_loco Here is a photo of my Christmas Bachmann On30 loco... http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun39/On30_Christmas_Loco_2002 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30791	From: geep39	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Oh NO! Those Polls Again!

I see that the polls are out there again. The likelihood that anything will be produced depends on how broad its appeal is. So, I'm asking for a little realism, and vote according to what makes economical sense. The idea: produce something that can be painted in as many different widely appealing color schemes as possible. For example, an SD-40 would make more sense than an SD40-2. Lionel's idea was not the smartest. So would a U30C as compared to a C30-7. Many large railroads had both the earlier and later models anyway, and the differences are relatively minor. A sharknose might be fun, but remember that PRR, NYC, B&O, EJ&E (there's a HOT one),and D&H had them, plus the Baldwin Demos. An item missing is the very popular (among railroads) Alco S-series switchers. Only a truck frame and radiator change yields 4 different models! FM C-liners? PLEASE don't curse us the way HO has been cursed by so many of them! As for steam, a Russian Decapod would be nice-lotsa roads had them, although some clever engineering to get them around the curves would be in order. Steam is tougher because of the customization of designs by the various railroads. The big joke that manufacturers tell me is when they meet the public and they say "If ya make (insert model here), I'll buy one!" Remember, that's only ONE--quite a few more people need to be convinced, or better yet excited.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30792	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Oh NO! Those Polls Again!

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:20:36 -0000, geep39 wrote: >As for steam, a Russian Decapod would be nice-lotsa roads had them, >although some clever engineering to get them around the curves would >be in order. Ah yea, no kidding! I didn't vote for anything larger than 8 drivers on that count. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Custom Crossings for AF Track

Anyone have success inventing custom crossings for AF track? Pics, learnings to share? This would be for real AF track... I know Carl has great pics of his custom crossing for AM track... and I intend to learn from that. I guess mainly I need to build 30's and 60's, avoiding the temtation to make things more variable using half curves coming into crossings... that would shift things by 15' one way or the other. Back when Seth build the Train Barn layout, GarGraves didn't have crossings so he used the plastic diamonds from Lionel crossings with GarGraves track. Any thoughts on talking Ross into doing S in addition to O? They have some nice items for building prototype layouts. TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30794	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Corrections to Turn Table Math...

Yes, the topic was not killed good enough. I woke up today and realized I had done the math incorrectly concerning this topic. I'll try to clear that up with the lack of pictures which will be a PAIN. What my mind knew would not work correctly, and indeed does not work though I did not explain clearly, is as follows: Assuming straight track from the turn table to each stall, then one must consider a straight line out from the center of the turntable to the center of each stall. What would not work is to set the turn table back furhter from the center of the turn table, and allow tracks to "elbo bend" when the straight track comes off the turn table to still hit the door ways. What I was incorrect about was in thinking of a turn table like a stop sign with tracks coming out only at the flat sides of a stop sigh. Back to my wakeup call of the straight line from the center of the turn table... one can spin the turn table 1', 2', etc... and a track really could plug in there. Yes for what ever reason Atlas left pretty wide gaps between tracks. I've seen some movie clips of turn tables with a steamer on them and the tracks are tight all around, or like someone mentioned one could even overlap tracks and use frogs to provide the overlap... uuuggg. Anyway, the critical point is to simply follow straight lines from the center of the turn table, and then set those tracks as tight as possible around the turn table. Probably the gaps on the Atlas turn table have to do with scale and typical working space on both sides of the engine inside the round house. Anyway, all that math, and I don't think my room can afford even one of Kalamazoo's four origional turn tables... so I'll just have to wait for "the bigger room" someday to try my hand at them. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30795	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

You still want an M1b if you want a cast pilot. In all the tens of years I've researched the PRR, I do not recall ever seeing an M1b with the step pilot. When the M1a's were in the shops for heavy repairs to increase the boiler pressure and make them M1b's from M1a's, they (the PRR) rearranged the front ends and installed the cast pilots. The conversion from M1a to M1b produced negligible visible differences in itself. These pilots added weight which was good to have when the steam pressure went up, to prevent slippage, and improved lighting with the headlight placed higher on the locomotive boiler. There were a few M1a's that received the cast pilot and front end treatment before the M1a to M1b conversions took place, but they are exceptions based on what and where that locomotive was assigned to do and go at that time. I say at that time because the M1 locomotive was a dual service locomotive, and in their last days did freight service a lot, so you can probably find photo's of cast pilot M1's dragging a freight. I believe at the time of pilot conversion, heavy passenger service was on the list to get a locomotive in for the front end beauty treatment. Loco #6940 is an example. Loco #6779 just above the #6940 in the list of photos on that site is another, however, it was later converted to an M1b. The cast pilots originally appeared on the K4, and the additional weight was quickly seen as an advantage. PRR did what ever they needed to do to keep old equipment running and doing ever more work than it was originally designed to do, hence, anything is possible. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > This link shows a cast pilot M1 purported to be an M1a: > http://www.webpraxis.ab.ca/cgi-bin/steam/_mpd/imgview.cgi/us/prr? 6940.jpg > This is a great steam loco site with more stuff than I've seen maybe > anywhere. I believe the modernization might have been independent of > whether the loco was built as an a or b. Will some SPF please straighten > this out?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30796	From: Tomalco Track	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Tomalco Track at S-Spree

Tomalco Track will have a table at S Spree next weekend and I look forward to meeting many of you there. Please stop by our table and talk to us about your track and turnout needs. We will have an inventory of code 100 products on hand. Tomalco Track Larry Morton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30797	From: engineer3887	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: New Poll.

Would you be polling for brass, or diecast, production? It would be nice to get away from the models overproduced in other scales as the NKP 2-8-4 from Rivarossi; the PRR H-10, M1 and M1a. What about an M1b? In diecast with the lionel USRA/NYC in production, other versions if possible to serve Eatern and Western railroads. Certainly if in Brass, production could be increased and possibly reduce costs with the USRA Light in different modernized versions like the NKP H6e. How about some smaller power, 2-8-0, 4-6-0; Baldwin 2-8-0 similar to the "O" from Weaver? A PRR H6?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30798	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Polls

Wow! I didn't realize there were so many "poll cats" on this list! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30799	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains, M1a

The problem with the larger engines, M1a (love 'em) etc is the tight A/F stock curvature track. How about E-3 or E-6 Atlantics?? The PRR only had two 2-6-2 Praries, sold them early on. Same for Camelbacks or Mother Hubbards, only a few, some went to the P & R (READING) Had 425 K-4 Pacifics in the many incarnations. I realize there are thousands of K-5'as out there, still not the same. K-4 could be done in the many pilots, tenders etc. Then of course, P-70 coaches, B-60 baggage etc. Oh, forgot to mention being a Pennsy fan, always having lived on the now Amtrak "Keystone Main", the great BROAD WAY from Philly to Chicago. Four tracks to glory. Politicians and diapers need frequent changing for the same reason. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30800	From: doug	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

<<< List: Just talked to Holiday Inn East where Spree will take place April 30-May 1. Several have called and were given message by Holiday Inn that rooms all taken. NOT SO!! ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS OF THIS MORNING. -----------l Correct, but not at the event rate: $92.50 + taxes. Ben >>> I called TWO WEEKS AGO, and was told "No rooms at the Inn"....within the event block, or outside it....."totally sold out for those dates". So we're at a Red Roof not too far away for half the $$$$. As for Chicago....we were given misinformation there too. We were told the block was sold out for the convention nights, but that we could still get a room for those nights OUTSIDE the block, ....for $159 per night ! Needless to say, we looked elsewhere, and got a room at a nearby Radisson for $49 per night! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30801	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

The PRR M1a was a Pennsy loco only. Most PRR engines were PRR only, the telltale feature being the square top Belpaire firebox. They did share some with the Long Island, as the late, great Pennsy owned the LI for a number of years, before it became the MTA (Money Thrown Away). The G-5 commuter engine (4-6-0 or half a GG1) did some of it's finest work on the LI. Switchers, etc would also be seen in LI livery. Understand the theory of common usage, primarily was the USRA engines. PRR only had the few "Mikes" that were forced on them. PRR power was superior to the Mike's. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30802	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

Red Roof Inn - exit of 70 3 miles east - $45. for Thursday and $55. for Friday. If you stay a total of 10 nights, you get a free one! Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] hotels <<< List: Just talked to Holiday Inn East where Spree will take place April 30-May 1. Several have called and were given message by Holiday Inn that rooms all taken. NOT SO!! ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS OF THIS MORNING. -----------l Correct, but not at the event rate: $92.50 + taxes. Ben >>> I called TWO WEEKS AGO, and was told "No rooms at the Inn"....within the event block, or outside it....."totally sold out for those dates". So we're at a Red Roof not too far away for half the $$$$. As for Chicago....we were given misinformation there too. We were told the block was sold out for the convention nights, but that we could still get a room for those nights OUTSIDE the block, ....for $159 per night ! Needless to say, we looked elsewhere, and got a room at a nearby Radisson for $49 per night! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30803	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: NEW POLL

How about an engine with an OIL tender? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30804	From: doug	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

Unfortunately, the "down" side of all this is that the host club may lose out, because they need to have a certain number of rooms booked in order to cover their convention hall space. When the hotels give us bad info, we end up elsewhere! The host hotel loses, and the host club may lose as well! Too bad.... I always try to stay at the host hotels for that reason, but not at rates like $159 per night! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Doherty [mailto:Thomas@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:19 PM To: doug@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] hotels Red Roof Inn - exit of 70 3 miles east - $45. for Thursday and $55. for Friday. If you stay a total of 10 nights, you get a free one! Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] hotels <<< List: Just talked to Holiday Inn East where Spree will take place April 30-May 1. Several have called and were given message by Holiday Inn that rooms all taken. NOT SO!! ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS OF THIS MORNING. -----------l Correct, but not at the event rate: $92.50 + taxes. Ben >>> I called TWO WEEKS AGO, and was told "No rooms at the Inn"....within the event block, or outside it....."totally sold out for those dates". So we're at a Red Roof not too far away for half the $$$$. As for Chicago....we were given misinformation there too. We were told the block was sold out for the convention nights, but that we could still get a room for those nights OUTSIDE the block, ....for $159 per night ! Needless to say, we looked elsewhere, and got a room at a nearby Radisson for $49 per night!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30805	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

Try the on-line discounters, priceline.com and hotels(?).com. Many inns lock several rooms each night with these guys, occasionally luck out. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30806	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Polls

Tim, Seldom do a poll, BUT, the PRR was mentioned. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30807	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: NEW POLL

That shouldn't be a real problem, some roads had both coal and oil tenders on the same class loco, depending on service area. Gotta figure out which they were, believe Santa Fe did it. Probably SP also. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30808	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track

Once upon a time, a long time ago David Avedesian did A/F compatible 45 degree crossovers. He does belong to TCA, if not this group. ANOTHER reason for all Flyer/S gauge guys and gals to join TCA. The roar of the choo-choo, the smell of the smoke. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30809	From: Tim	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track

He belongs to this group, but only for the reverse units! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: pianoman@... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Crossings for AF Track Once upon a time, a long time ago David Avedesian did A/F compatible 45 degree crossovers. He does belong to TCA, if not this group. ANOTHER reason for all Flyer/S gauge guys and gals to join TCA. The roar of the choo-choo, the smell of the smoke. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30810	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track

Michael: If you are in need of 90's, use the AF XO's and cut the legs as short as you need them. If you are trying to get a lot of track in a small space such a yard, then modifing the AF switch from 5" centerlines to 2.5" centerlines and using 30's or 60's XO's are the way to go. 45's and custom XO's are one time applications. They have limited use and benefit in a standard AF track application. The 30's and 60's work because we are working with 30 degree of arc in a standard AF curve section. A 30 degree of arc when placed back to back in a "S" curve will give you a 5" centerline. If we carry the "math" to a 15 degree of arc back to back in a "S" curve, then we would get a centerline of 2.5". In all of this 'math' talk, t is amportant to realize that the radius has not changed. We are still using standard AF centerline radius of 19.5". The fact that we may use a half of a standard AF curve track piece; 5" instead of 10" in length, the radius will never change. Maintaining the radius is the key to FLAWLESS track work. I love my trains when they can run for 8 hours at a clip and never have a derailment or an uncoupler car. I have walked away and have forgotten that my trains were running, only to find them huffing and puffing 2-3 hours later. Try and 'paint" a picture of what you would like to do or em me or fax (301 438 8834) a sketch of your application hopes and I would be honored to help in any way. David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:05 PM To: David Avedesian Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Custom Crossings for AF Track Hi David- I'm researching the railroad scene of Kalamazoo circa 1910-1930 range to model it in S w/ AF track. I see LOTS of XO's (as you call them) required. As well due to parallel main lines either I deal with the huge distance between two lines using Gilbert 90's as-is or cut them down to size, or build some of those as well. Anyway, any input you could provide would be of great help in deciding what I can and can not recreate in S. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30811	From: J.Haughney@Verizon.net	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Gunderson Husky Stack cars

Gentlepersons I just received two of the stack cars and they look great and appear to run great as long as I run them with an old steam engine whose coupler I jacked up about 20 degrees to work with the AF couplers. Evidently the couplers are a wee bit well bigger then a wee bit higher than the normal AF couplers. I seem to remember seeing some messages on the subject but I thought they dealt with the scale couplers. Anyway any suggestions. Also the FLYONEL NYC B units are in and they look and sound goooood including the announcements. Also anything new announced at York. Havent seen a trip summaries yet but its also less than a week since everyone has had time to catch their breath. Regads, Joe Haughney (A former suburban Philadelphian (Read Athletics/64 Phillies/Eagles fan) who moved to, worked at and has now retired outside of Boston and has converted to Red Sox/Patriots fandom where salvation is near at hand. Amen!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30812	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track

Hi Group: I still exist. What is the question about XO's? I have made 30's, 45's, 60's, curve over a straight and a curve over two straights including two 30's for our Baltimore Area AF Club's mod layout. I have also made a 23.5 degree-24 inch long custom gargrave XO. They all work flawlessly. Howvever, I would never do a Gargraves XO again. The track needs the ties to hold its shape and I add the ties afterward. If I can be of help, em me. David Avedesian -----Original Message----- From: WJJIM@... [mailto:WJJIM@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:52 PM To: pianoman@...; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Crossings for AF Track Once upon a time, a long time ago David Avedesian did A/F compatible 45 degree crossovers. He does belong to TCA, if not this group. ANOTHER reason for all Flyer/S gauge guys and gals to join TCA. The roar of the choo-choo, the smell of the smoke. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30813	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: TCA

I disagree with Jim L. Although many of my friends are mambers, I consider the TCA a seriously flawed, philosophically troubled organization and have no intention of joining it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30814	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 4/21/2004
Subject: Sick Alco PA

My dad has a sick 470 Santa Fe PA and it is beyond what he can fix (he's 83). Looking for recommendations on where to send it for reliable work. He does not want the can motor conversion, this is his original locomotive and he wants to keep it in its original configuration. I'm not sure what is wrong other than it does not run. Any suggestions on reliable shops greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || ONION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| OP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30815	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

It's funny - I called the Sheraton in Chicago yesterday and got the $89 rate. Dick Aurora, OH >As for Chicago....we were given misinformation there too. We were told the >block was sold out for the convention nights, but that we could still get a >room for those nights OUTSIDE the block, ....for $159 per night ! >Needless to say, we looked elsewhere, and got a room at a nearby Radisson >for $49 per night! > > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also >available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) >Website: http://www.portlines.com >E-mail: doug@... >VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30816	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Crossings for AF Track

Thanks for all the material David! The pic of the crossing you included looks like you spike AF rail to wood ties, but then you fill in the spaces between the ties. So I assume looking more like an AF 90' one could use plywood as the base and spike the rail to that. Plaster or something was used as the filler in the middle? I guess wood could be used as well. From the text it sounds like the approach rails are isolated at the very ends so the two crossings tracks are not electrically connected. And then powered rails within the diamond area are provided. On this switch topic. I follow what you are doing. Does the AF coil portion of the switch not get in the way of the passing track? Or did that have to be removed and the coils put under the table? For now I think I am going to try to design based on standard switches, just adding XO's where called for in the Kalamazoo track plan. Thus modify AF 90's to match AF 30' switches back to back to allow passing on the parallel main lines. On that note, unless you have a better suggestion, my idea was to first remove the rail from both tails being cut, then cut to the same length on both XO's, the cut a single piece of rail to span from one diamond to the other and clip them back into AF's clips closest to the diamond center. Since those clips were used to pass the electric, this custom section is thus powered. For now, the best track plan of Kzoo is in those fire insurance map books from 1908 and 1932 I found at our libraries local history room. They are in the scale of 100' = 1" and I need to somehow combine all of the pages into a single map... mentioned that task recently on the list. Haven't heard any good suggestions for that task, so still my first choice is to use RRTrack software. Maybe one layer for roads, one for 1908 track, one for 1932 track, etc... Anyway, thanks again for the input David. Say, any more pics handy of your switches, XO's and uncouplers? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30817	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS

Well the past 2 weeks have been extremely FABALOUS... I was able to cross off 2 more items from my BIG list... #1. The people I met face to face were all without a doubt some of the finest I have met in so very long.... kind, fun, helpful.... Its a shame they all can't move to florida...They reflect the other kind people on the list.. I would make it a small Paradise.. ( BTY.... Mike... where was your red dress? ) and I also meet several old friends who I haven't seen since the 80's... What a time!!!! #2. Barb... What can one say....She is such a SUPER GIRL.... Now I know why she had a big "S" on her shirt!!!!!!!... She is such a great friend and so very helpful!!!!!! #3. Items found.... So far I haven't seen anything listed by anyone... 5002T circus set WITH ALL THE GOODIES, boxes, paper E- LTI C & O engine and 4 car set M Electromatic crane... 2 button... all trays, etc, no box E HO AF set... Uncataloged.... LN Af books 1,2,3 sets.... found on way to York.... LN several plasticville buildings several AM cars... no box..but at 12.00 each 370 and 3 cars lots of parts 5 model airplane kits.. old u/c types 4 empty set boxes "S" NYC Gas Electric... DC... New 3 die cast airplanes... 1/48 Belle, 1/32 Spit., and Mustang And still lots of other items Many glass pieces at local shops around there #4. Still working on getting the plane from Raliegh to here... Shipping is rough.... #5 Tuesday I got up.... very tired and went to Universal Studios and rode every Roller coaster I could find..... Against what the Doctor has told me...... #6 And yesterday.... PARASAILING up to 1400 feet... I loved it I am here antsy as heck.... what can I get into today!!!!!! Think I will just stay home and try to put stuff away

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30818	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: hotels

We just made our reservation for Chicago last week and had no problem getting a room. The issue we did find and (it's a good thing we asked )is the rooms are under Des Plaines Valley S Scalers club as opposed to the convention name. When we asked under the 2004 NASG convention name they did not have any rooms available for them. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30819	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

I can't imagine what could possibly be that much wrong with the TCA!!! The York shows alone should tell you how much sweat, toil, and pain that has been put into the works to assure everyone a good time, not to mention the vast array of people (real good people) from the continent, and the world as well, that attend this function..... Fred Jester 76-9273 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30820	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Railshops

There is a new section on my website that has some photos I took a couple of weeks ago at Savannah, Georgia. They have the largest still standing roundhouse / rail shops complex in the country and have made a lot of progress over the last several years in restoration. I have some great photos of a steam engine moving on and off the turntable, etc. This is some great stuff, especially if you are detailing a roundhouse model, etc... Have a look. I took over 500 photos and will put more up on the site later if there is any interest. Go to http://myflyertrains.org and click on the upper menu on [Savannah] Enjoy, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30821	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

At this point in time, I may agree with Tom, as I have two major issues with TCA and they are no help at all. But, as someone told me off the list, you have to watch out for yourself and ask a ton of questions. If it wasn't for York, I may leave TCA myself right now. But I have made some nice friendships thought this list and the TCA list I am on, so that is a nice positive. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA > I disagree with Jim L. > > Although many of my friends are mambers, I consider the TCA a seriously > flawed, philosophically troubled organization and have no intention of > joining it. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30822	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Tom is assuming TCA would approve him as a member if he tried to join! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... To: jarcho@... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA I can't imagine what could possibly be that much wrong with the TCA!!! The York shows alone should tell you how much sweat, toil, and pain that has been put into the works to assure everyone a good time, not to mention the vast array of people (real good people) from the continent, and the world as well, that attend this function..... Fred Jester 76-9273 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30823	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Tomalco Track at S-Spree

DOUG PECK (PORTLINES) AND I WILL ALSO BE THERE AT THE S-SPREE NEXT WEEK--HOPE TO SEE ALL THE MID-WESTERNERS THERE!! FRED JESTER FRED'S TRAIN PARTS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30824	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Oil Tender

***((((How about an engine with an OIL tender? Mike)))**** Southern Pacific style!! Yeah, baaaby!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30825	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Rai

Hi Chuck: Enjoyed the Savannah turntable pics and the layout pics. Thanks a lot. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Chuck Harrington wrote: >There is a new section on my website that has some photos I took a >couple of weeks ago at Savannah, Georgia. They have the largest still >standing roundhouse / rail shops complex in the country and have made a >lot of progress over the last several years in restoration. > >I have some great photos of a steam engine moving on and off the >turntable, etc. This is some great stuff, especially if you are >detailing a roundhouse model, etc... > >Have a look. I took over 500 photos and will put more up on the site >later if there is any interest. > >Go to http://myflyertrains.org and click on the upper menu on [Savannah] > >Enjoy, Chuck > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30826	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: S-Spree

For those planning to attend S-Spree we would like to advise you that Doug Peck (Portlines Hobby) will have one of our Flyer dual motor ALCO can conversions and a Baldwin can conversion for you to look at and operate if there is a layout available to do so. Pictures and word descriptions don't really tell how nice these conversions are for the operator. Lots of pulling power and smooth operation. Go have a look and ask Doug to let you operate one of them. Tell him "Steve sent ya!" Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30827	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Tom and Fred...... I have been going to York, and to many other TCA shows from Florida to Pitt to Seattle to Atlanta since 1983 and always felt good.... But this trip was the first I personally heard lots of grumbling . As long as there is shows, with lots of stuff, I am not complaining..... But lets face it.... Aren't all groups run by CLIQUES....???? I go get my trains..... and BYE BYE.... No business meets for me... IE....I GO - I SCOOP - I LEAVE !!!!!!!!But yes I have thought about who gets all the millions!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <jarcho@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA > I can't imagine what could possibly be that much wrong with the TCA!!! The > York shows alone should tell you how much sweat, toil, and pain that has been > put into the works to assure everyone a good time, not to mention the vast > array of people (real good people) from the continent, and the world as well, that > attend this function..... > > Fred Jester 76-9273 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30828	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Railshops

Hi: In your next to last shot, the aerial, is that a transfer table to the right of the sawtoothed building? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30829	From: knockbill	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Magnetic crane

Hi Would someone who has a magnetic crane handy, measure the base of it for me?? Also, if you have the tray for the scrap (or coal, I think)... is it the same size? Thanks in advance John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30830	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS

Here are my York finds, as to those on the TCA list, this is from an S gauge view. My wife and I got up at 5 a.m. in Germantown, to get to York by 9, as this is the first York since April of 2002. Had a nice breakfast at Perkins in Gettysburg. We first went to the Purple Hall where Doug Peck is and purchased a Wilson Dairy car, to go along with the other Brookside Dairy cars I got from him awhile ago, since we collect milk bottles too. And I got a engine/car foam cradle, should I be brave enough to tackle any future doings with train pieces. It was good to met Doug finally. Also in the Purple Hall was a company called "Appalachian Products" selling all different sizes of ballast. I got a 32 oz. bottle of light gray, large size, which is perfect for track I have from Classic Trains in CA, which looks like HO track in S scale. The ballast is made from cork. So that is a possibly for the future layout. We then went to the Red Hall and saw Gary Clark again, as he has allot of nice AF for sale and I buy most of my things from him at York. We talked for a bit, as it has been two years since I have seen him and I looked over his items, as I told him I was looking for a 21130 Hudson, plug in, yes the one, that I won and returned from Ebay back in Feb. with the glued steps. So, since I was a small budget this trip, due to some work on my chimney that is being done this week, I had to wait on Gary to see if I found that engine and what I would have left over. Saw some nice AF in the Red Hall, as one had a complete in the box, 1959 Nighthawk set, which was issued in 1960, also, as it was priced at about $2200 and was in E to LN shape. This set has the 21130 plug in Hudson and the Christmas Tree Flat car in it. I wasn't looking for a set, as I have all of the cars that go in the set and set boxes for me, which just sit in a storage area. The next table had the 1962 set that has that 21130 engine in it, but a direct wire to the tender. Another table had a nice Monon gondola with the real rail in it, for $185 in E, about $45 over TM price, but that was the only one. I saw a CN reefer and a five digit MKT in the Red Hall also, that looked pretty good, as I have those two also. In the White Hall was John Heck, in his usual spot with some nice AF, as he still had that five digit NW reefer for $2200. I don't have that one! But then I saw it! The elusive 21130 plug in Hudson with one repro step for $400. And in wonderful shape. Not a mark on the engine, as I didn't see any touch up work on it. The seller said it run and smoked great, which it did when I got home, as it will not be run, since it is a rare piece. In the new TM book, which he didn't have, it goes for $650 in E. So someone is looking out for me, above, as this is $235 less, minus the Shipping and Ebay fees of $47, that I lost when I returned that awful 21130 to the awful TCA member who grossly mis-represented the engine. I asked the seller for a card and he didn't have one. So, that is fine, as he is a TCA member and if something is wrong when I got home, he would take care of it. Wrong, no listing for this man and no one at TCA has any ideas who he is and guest can not sell trains at York. So, maybe he is a mysterious train angel from above. O:)! I am lucky that the engine is fine or I would of stopped the check and things could of gotten nasty all over again with the other TCA seller of the engine in Feb. Just my luch here! But things are fine and hopefully, this problem will not happen again, as I will make sure that whenever I buy something at York they are a member. We then went to the Silver Hall and I saw a 21129 a terrible shape, badly bent cab cover for $1650 and I have one in far better shape. He had a 21130 plug in, after I told my wife, we probably would not see another one, that was in bad shape for 399. So I did alright with the purchase. We went by Harwood Ownings table but he was gone, walking the halls, as we saw Jim Patterson, his friend, but he was busy with people and it been 8 years since we saw him, so he didn't reconize us. We saw Mike Farner from KY and talked a bit, as I have purchased AF from him in the past, as he is a good person to deal with. We then went to the outside of the Blue and Silver Hall to wait for the S Yahoo group people who were planning to show up and I ran into Ralph Loveless, who signed my TCA membership in 1992, along with Bob Tufts. We talked a bit. Then the S train people all gathered and it was good to see all who attended. We had some pictures taken and planned on meeting for dinner at 7. I thought we would go, but decided not to, as we had a 2 hour drive home on country roads and I didn't want to do that in the dark. So maybe next time we will stay over, as we wanted this year and go to the Reading Phillies game, but I forgot we had a folk concert at the Barnes of Wolftrappe on Saturday and then we had a baseball game in Frederick MD for the Keys. We all parted and Linda and I had a great crab cake sandwich, the one Tim Brown, was suppose to at, just kidding Tim, and had some fries, which we don't do often anymore. We went to the majic Orange Hall, that everyone on the TCA list talked about last year, and since we are collectors of AF, it wasn't for us, but we enjoyed walking the hall, seeing all the O stuff, until we came across S helper and had a nice talk with Don Thompson. Don, my wife was at a Maryland Dietetic Convention on Thursday, since you minored in Nutrition and train people are more fun that a bunch of Dieticians, she said! LOL! She skipped Friday's part of it to go to York! And no Funnel cake stands there either. We stopped at Joe Haenn's stand for AF parts once and he was busy, so we came back and I introduced myself, as we have talked via email about the ACC and the minor leagues, as he is in NC and I am in MD. He is a FSU fan and I am a MD grad. I am sick of seeing MD getting killled by FSU. But we beat his Dukies in the ACC tournament! Hee Hee! It was good to see him. We then went back to Gary and I picked up a mint Pike Master Joe and Moe and a Pike Master Mint Borden's Flat that go with the 21130 Hudson direct wire version. I have all three version of the five digit Hudson's, as I need to work on some of the other Hudson's to get. Gary also had for sale two 24519 PA Flats for sale and a spare one in a box! He had picked several of the sets that the car came in and sold a set box in poor shape a month ago for $500. And to think I threw my set box away as a kid, but I have the trains. He had a white version of the NH Auto trasnport for 2200. A mint sealed dealer display for $6000! We talked about how U of CT won both basketball championships since they are in CT. We then went back to the Silver hall to see if Harwood was back and he was, with his friend Kevin from LA. Kevin was a nice person to talked to. We talked to Harwood for a bit and I re-introduced myself to Jim Patterson. And then it was 5 and time to go home. A good day over all and I hope this wasn't too long! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD 92-35192

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30831	From: editor	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Volume 8, Issue 4 Mails Out!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30832	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS

Hey, Bob - On #4, just fix it and fly it!!!! You can still pull those rope starters ;<) Dick Aurora, OH At 09:17 AM 4/22/2004, robert allen conner wrote: >Well the past 2 weeks have been extremely FABALOUS... I was able to cross >off 2 more items from my BIG list... >#1. The people I met face to face were all without a doubt some of the >finest I have met in so very long.... kind, fun, helpful.... Its a shame >they all can't move to florida...They reflect the other kind people on the >list.. I would make it a small Paradise.. ( BTY.... Mike... where was your >red dress? ) and I also meet several old friends who I haven't seen since >the 80's... What a time!!!! >#2. Barb... What can one say....She is such a SUPER GIRL.... Now I know why >she had a big "S" on her shirt!!!!!!!... She is such a great friend and so >very helpful!!!!!! >#3. Items found.... So far I haven't seen anything listed by anyone... > 5002T circus set WITH ALL THE GOODIES, boxes, paper E- > LTI C & O engine and 4 car set M > Electromatic crane... 2 button... all trays, etc, no box E > HO AF set... Uncataloged.... LN > Af books 1,2,3 sets.... found on way to York.... LN > several plasticville buildings > several AM cars... no box..but at 12.00 each > 370 and 3 cars > lots of parts > 5 model airplane kits.. old u/c types > 4 empty set boxes > "S" NYC Gas Electric... DC... New > 3 die cast airplanes... 1/48 Belle, 1/32 Spit., and Mustang > And still lots of other items > Many glass pieces at local shops around there >#4. Still working on getting the plane from Raliegh to here... Shipping is >rough.... >#5 Tuesday I got up.... very tired and went to Universal Studios and rode >every Roller coaster I could find..... Against what the Doctor has told >me...... >#6 And yesterday.... PARASAILING up to 1400 feet... I loved it > >I am here antsy as heck.... what can I get into today!!!!!! Think I will >just stay home and try to put stuff away > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30833	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: YORK FINDS

That's the way they are started now...... But remember there are 2... Port and Starboard.... he is giving me starters to go on the engines.... Here is what she looked like about 8 years ago when she last flew.... engines turn over well.... need to replace props .... using 3 blades.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2470783854 I am thing about acquiring the second one for parts too Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Kuepper To: robert allen conner ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK FINDS Hey, Bob - On #4, just fix it and fly it!!!! You can still pull those rope starters ;<) Dick Aurora, OH At 09:17 AM 4/22/2004, robert allen conner wrote: Well the past 2 weeks have been extremely FABALOUS... I was able to cross off 2 more items from my BIG list... #1. The people I met face to face were all without a doubt some of the finest I have met in so very long.... kind, fun, helpful.... Its a shame they all can't move to florida...They reflect the other kind people on the list.. I would make it a small Paradise.. ( BTY.... Mike... where was your red dress? ) and I also meet several old friends who I haven't seen since the 80's... What a time!!!! #2. Barb... What can one say....She is such a SUPER GIRL.... Now I know why she had a big "S" on her shirt!!!!!!!... She is such a great friend and so very helpful!!!!!! #3. Items found.... So far I haven't seen anything listed by anyone... 5002T circus set WITH ALL THE GOODIES, boxes, paper E- LTI C & O engine and 4 car set M Electromatic crane... 2 button... all trays, etc, no box E HO AF set... Uncataloged.... LN Af books 1,2,3 sets.... found on way to York.... LN several plasticville buildings several AM cars... no box..but at 12.00 each 370 and 3 cars lots of parts 5 model airplane kits.. old u/c types 4 empty set boxes "S" NYC Gas Electric... DC... New 3 die cast airplanes... 1/48 Belle, 1/32 Spit., and Mustang And still lots of other items Many glass pieces at local shops around there #4. Still working on getting the plane from Raliegh to here... Shipping is rough.... #5 Tuesday I got up.... very tired and went to Universal Studios and rode every Roller coaster I could find..... Against what the Doctor has told me...... #6 And yesterday.... PARASAILING up to 1400 feet... I loved it I am here antsy as heck.... what can I get into today!!!!!! Think I will just stay home and try to put stuff away S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30834	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane

John......... Tray 4" x 6 1/16" x 1/4" black with 1 hole in the corner. Base 4" x 6" x 1/4" gray with 1 hole in side and 2 holes for sign and holes at each corner for the legs. Metal scrap is punchouts from ERECTOR stuff... the triangles... all corners are bent up.... not welded.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Magnetic crane > Hi > Would someone who has a magnetic crane handy, measure the base of it > for me?? Also, if you have the tray for the scrap (or coal, I > think)... is it the same size? > Thanks in advance > John > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30835	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Dear Barb: Thank you for thinking of me. People suggested parts that are basic to a "tune up" of an A F steam engine. I ordered the parts from Doug Peck, and am trying to do tune ups on 2 302s. I built a cradle to hold the engine while I operated on it.Then I opened it up. I was warned to draw pictures, take photos, etc: as I went step by step. It's really not hard, but not being mechanical by nature my ineptitude & clumsiness has prevented me for getting the first one running. I have not given up, and I will eventually get it to go. If I fail it will be my own fault. Thank you for your consideration. My best to you and yours Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30836	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: York finds

Some of us evidently spent very impressive amounts of money at York this spring. Not to be outdone, here is a partial list of the "future" cars I bought: G. Fox & Co. box WSX box B&M box L&N box Keystone box B&O reefer NP reefer CN reefer Roth Packing Co. reefer Gilbert Chemicals tanker Deep Rock tanker Hooker tanker I call them "future" cars because right now they are $10 B&O boxes and Gulf tankers. I figure the hard part is done and they are only a paint & decal job away from valuable look-alikes for my pike. :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30837	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Train related, but NOT toy train related.

Wow!! What a terrible wreck!!! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/04/22/nkorea.train/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30838	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

I have to agree with Fred. The TCA may have a small few failings but for the most part it has been a great organization. It has done a great deal for the hobby over the years. I dont think the Hobbie would be where it is today if it werent for the TCA and many of it's hard working members. I wonder if Tom Jarcho has ever been to York to see what it takes to put on such an event. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30839	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Response

Yes, I will post pics of the finished products in the photo section of our group-allotted Yahoo disc space as I go along. Thanks to all who responded with encouraging and even not-so encouraging remarks - I enjoy all comments! I not only have a sense of humor, I have a sense of humus. Sometimes I think the off-list responses I generate are extremely interesting and, well FUN! Keep 'em coming! :) :) For me, the semi-annual York TCA, ahem, TCA train meets are all about raw materials. To many, it is all about the collectible or otherwise operable finds or the contacts one can make. I believe those are the real values of the TCA, ahem, TCA sponsored train meets at York; they truly ARE all things to all people. I have found that the TCA, ahem, TCA train meets at York have meant something different to me each and every time. I don't TCA, ahem, TCA bash. That would be like Hannibal going after Clarice. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30840	From: knockbill	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re Magnetic crane

Bob Thanks for the info...Fortunatly, I found enough "projects" at York to hold me 'til October,,, thanks again John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30841	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Tomalco Track at S-Spree

PHM will be there also. Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: fredstrainparts@... [mailto:fredstrainparts@...] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:26 AM To: lmorton@...; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tomalco Track at S-Spree DOUG PECK (PORTLINES) AND I WILL ALSO BE THERE AT THE S-SPREE NEXT WEEK--HOPE TO SEE ALL THE MID-WESTERNERS THERE!! FRED JESTER FRED'S TRAIN PARTS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30842	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Bob; Yes, I suppose you could call the TCA a "CLIQUE". But, we have a charter, and bylaws, and we nominate and vote for our officers on the regional and national level. Hell, someone has to run the organization, I sure don't want any of their jobs, even if they are a little cliquish about their ways. Most of them certainly aren't getting paid enough for what they do for the TCA, I bet. I can relate to Mr. Jarcho's statement about the TCA though. Back in 1973, when I became friends with Cheap George (train dealer) at the 202 flea market, a customer of his (Mr. Art Andrews, now deceased), noticed my infatuation with American Flyer, (as I bought all the Flyer that I could get my hands on in those days), and he got me to the side one day, and was trying to enlist me into the TCA. I replied to him "whatever do I need to join this organization for? To buy trains? The Delaware valley is flooded with the stuff!! I don't need to join this organization to buy more!! There's carloads here to be had every day!!" I had already joined the NASG, and had a bad experience with the "CLIQUE" that ran this organization. At the time it seemed that if you weren't a part of the establishment your views (or imput) was ignored. And the views of the hierarchy were that of support for scale only as far as anything that concerned S gauge, although American Flyer fans were welcomed to join. What really killed me was this--a newsletter would arrive, and Flyer would be categorized as "JUNK" by one of them in the publication, and then the very next newsletter would be centered around what one of them created out of a 936 depressed center flatcar!! So what in the world did I need to join another organization for, more one sided views of American Flyer? Anyway, Art kept on nudging me to join, and I finally relented, and George and I both joined in 1976. We both went to York that year (and other TCA meets as well), and what an experience we had! The order of the day there wasn't what was the correct trains to buy, sell, and collect, but the order of the day was to buy, sell and trade TRAINS PERIOD!! All the interesting people that we met with the same love of trains as us, and all the information that we exchanged with each other, and the knowledge gained from being in the TCA over the years far outweighs what few negatives that the association offers. This is what the TCA means to me. I'm glad that I joined when I did, and I regret that I didn't join sooner than 1976. Sincerely; Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30843	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Don Thomspon Article

Hi Don and all, I just wanted to let you know that my wife is reading the article about you in the S Gaugian Magazine. How many other wife's out there have done the same. O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30844	From: Tim	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thomspon Article

My wife reads to me. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Don Thomspon Article Hi Don and all, I just wanted to let you know that my wife is reading the article about you in the S Gaugian Magazine. How many other wife's out there have done the same. O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30845	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Fred.... True someone has to do it.... but not me.... I was into something similar back about 1990.... they said from the platform that they had a slate of candidates for the upcoming election and would like more volunteers!!.... I spoke to the chairman on the side and said i would be willing to run for any office, but Treasurer..... I had been in this group for about 7 or 8 years and rarely ever missed a meet..( at the time I was a VP in the Full Gospel Bus. Men's Assoc.)... Well when the list of candidates for Office was put out only the original names were listed.... They said they had a very poor selection of other candidates or something to that effect...... so these were the only ones listed.... I never attempted to run for any other office or participate in meetings again.... Thanks for all the work they do.... But I come....I look....I buy.... I go..... And I have met friends from both coasts.... so very many NEAT and NICE people... I will be in TCA the rest of my days.... But never in an office.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30846	From: David Avedesian	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Fred: I want to say thank you for your below listed comments. I couldn't have said any nicer. Again Thank you, David -----Original Message----- From: fredstrainparts@... [mailto:fredstrainparts@...] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:02 PM To: rcon7@...; jarcho@...; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA Bob; Yes, I suppose you could call the TCA a "CLIQUE". But, we have a charter, and bylaws, and we nominate and vote for our officers on the regional and national level. Hell, someone has to run the organization, I sure don't want any of their jobs, even if they are a little cliquish about their ways. Most of them certainly aren't getting paid enough for what they do for the TCA, I bet. I can relate to Mr. Jarcho's statement about the TCA though. Back in 1973, when I became friends with Cheap George (train dealer) at the 202 flea market, a customer of his (Mr. Art Andrews, now deceased), noticed my infatuation with American Flyer, (as I bought all the Flyer that I could get my hands on in those days), and he got me to the side one day, and was trying to enlist me into the TCA. I replied to him "whatever do I need to join this organization for? To buy trains? The Delaware valley is flooded with the stuff!! I don't need to join this organization to buy more!! There's carloads here to be had every day!!" I had already joined the NASG, and had a bad experience with the "CLIQUE" that ran this organization. At the time it seemed that if you weren't a part of the establishment your views (or imput) was ignored. And the views of the hierarchy were that of support for scale only as far as anything that concerned S gauge, although American Flyer fans were welcomed to join. What really killed me was this--a newsletter would arrive, and Flyer would be categorized as "JUNK" by one of them in the publication, and then the very next newsletter would be centered around what one of them created out of a 936 depressed center flatcar!! So what in the world did I need to join another organization for, more one sided views of American Flyer? Anyway, Art kept on nudging me to join, and I finally relented, and George and I both joined in 1976. We both went to York that year (and other TCA meets as well), and what an experience we had! The order of the day there wasn't what was the correct trains to buy, sell, and collect, but the order of the day was to buy, sell and trade TRAINS PERIOD!! All the interesting people that we met with the same love of trains as us, and all the information that we exchanged with each other, and the knowledge gained from being in the TCA over the years far outweighs what few negatives that the association offers. This is what the TCA means to me. I'm glad that I joined when I did, and I regret that I didn't join sooner than 1976. Sincerely; Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30847	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260

In a message dated 4/22/2004 9:04:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Subject: New Website area - Savannah Roundhouse / Railshops Chuck, These are some great photos! I did a visit to Chattanooga about three years ago, before I could afford a digital camera. My wife and I rode a train out of the city to an operating turntable shop. It was nothing like this, Thank you so much for allowing us to enjoy them. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30848	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30849	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

You're welcome, David Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30850	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2004
Subject: Re: TCA

Bob; I thoroughly understand what you have said...We certainly don't have perfection here. The TCA is an outstanding organization, but there is always room for improvement.. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30851	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: ATTN : DONALD MUNSEY

ATTENTION : Donald Munsey... Please contact me off list at RailScaler@.... Thanks. John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30852	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2256

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:02:34 -0500 From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: FW: New poll for S-Trains Anything that runs on rails is fine with me. And every steamer ever build could not have been listed, for sure. But what about a Hudson Dreyfus or other streamlined steamers/ And what about articulateds? And how about a western road name, like the ATSF Blue Goose or UP Challenger (also Clinchfield)? Respectfully, Roy Inman ---------- >> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:02 +0000 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains >> >> >> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the >> S-Trains group: >> >> What Steam Locomotive(s) would you >> like to see made next for S? >> >> o USRA Light 4-8-2 >> o Lima Van Sweringen AMC 2-8-4 (Super Power- C&O, NKP. Erie,etc.) >> o NYC L series 4-8-2 Mohawk >> o USRA 2-10-2 >> o PRR M-1a 4-8-2 >> o C&O 4-6-4 >> o PRR L-1 Mikado >> o a 2-10-0 Decapod >> >> >> To vote, please visit the following web page: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1210392 >> >> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >> web site listed above. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30853	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260

I AGREE 100% WITH Fred. The Friends I have meet , and the relationships formed thru TCA, has put a new emphases in train collecting, It's the people as much as the trains. The Eastern Division puts on a show twice a year for us TCA members, with volunteers who spend hours organizing these shows, They deserve a real pat on the back. I didn't know how Linda Webber and her group of volunteers do it twice a year. They all have my THANKS. The people that I have spoken with, that bad mouth the show are people caught trying to implement the rules. RULES are RULES, they may not please every one all the time, but rules do prevent kayos. Jerry Dobbs Proud to be TCA 77-11644 Subject: Re: TCA Bob; Yes, I suppose you could call the TCA a "CLIQUE". But, we have a charter, and bylaws, and we nominate and vote for our officers on the regional and national level. Hell, someone has to run the organization, I sure don't want any of their jobs, even if they are a little cliquish about their ways. Most of them certainly aren't getting paid enough for what they do for the TCA, I bet. I can relate to Mr. Jarcho's statement about the TCA though. Back in 1973, when I became friends with Cheap George (train dealer) at the 202 flea market, a customer of his (Mr. Art Andrews, now deceased), noticed my infatuation with American Flyer, (as I bought all the Flyer that I could get my hands on in those days), and he got me to the side one day, and was trying to enlist me into the TCA. I replied to him "whatever do I need to join this organization for? To buy trains? The Delaware valley is flooded with the stuff!! I don't need to join this organization to buy more!! There's carloads here to be had every day!!" I had already joined the NASG, and had a bad experience with the "CLIQUE" that ran this organization. At the time it seemed that if you weren't a part of the establishment your views (or imput) was ignored. And the views of the hierarchy were that of support for scale only as far as anything that concerned S gauge, although American Flyer fans were welcomed to join. What really killed me was this--a newsletter would arrive, and Flyer would be categorized as "JUNK" by one of them in the publication, and then the very next newsletter would be centered around what one of them created out of a 936 depressed center flatcar!! So what in the world did I need to join another organization for, more one sided views of American Flyer? Anyway, Art kept on nudging me to join, and I finally relented, and George and I both joined in 1976. We both went to York that year (and other TCA meets as well), and what an experience we had! The order of the day there wasn't what was the correct trains to buy, sell, and collect, but the order of the day was to buy, sell and trade TRAINS PERIOD!! All the interesting people that we met with the same love of trains as us, and all the information that we exchanged with each other, and the knowledge gained from being in the TCA over the years far outweighs what few negatives that the association offers. This is what the TCA means to me. I'm glad that I joined when I did, and I regret that I didn't join sooner than 1976. Sincerely; Fred Jester ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30854	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: S-gaugian Article

My Does! SHe'll read anything to do with Don, Mike ,Robin or S-Helper.Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30855	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2260

I was not trying to really imply anything bad about the people.... maybe I worded it the wrong way...... But I did hear grumbling.... which I ignore.... and more than usual this trip.... no one is perfect.... And I remember Linda since 1983, nice lady who has helped me several times...... we all change.... except us!!!! HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!.... But the only rule I would like to see changed is to allow inclusion of some OLD model kits.... say 5%... I did find several this past trip .. James Redman used to bring a small pile every York.... Hid them under the table till I got there for me.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2260 > > I AGREE 100% WITH Fred. The Friends I have meet , and the > relationships formed thru TCA, has put a new emphases in train > collecting, It's the people as much as the trains. The Eastern Division > puts on a show twice a year for us TCA members, with volunteers who spend > hours organizing these shows, They deserve a real pat on the back. I > didn't know how Linda Webber and her group of volunteers do it twice a > year. They all have my THANKS. The people that I have spoken with, that > bad mouth the show are people caught trying to implement the rules. RULES > are RULES, they may not please every one all the time, but rules do > prevent kayos. > > Jerry Dobbs Proud to be TCA 77-11644 > > > > Subject: Re: TCA > > Bob; > > Yes, I suppose you could call the TCA a "CLIQUE". But, we have a charter, > and > bylaws, and we nominate and vote for our officers on the regional and > national level. Hell, someone has to run the organization, I sure don't > want any of > their jobs, even if they are a little cliquish about their ways. Most of > them > certainly aren't getting paid enough for what they do for the TCA, I bet. > > I can relate to Mr. Jarcho's statement about the TCA though. Back in > 1973, > when I became friends with Cheap George (train dealer) at the 202 flea > market, > a customer of his (Mr. Art Andrews, now deceased), noticed my infatuation > with > American Flyer, (as I bought all the Flyer that I could get my hands on > in > those days), and he got me to the side one day, and was trying to enlist > me into > the TCA. I replied to him "whatever do I need to join this organization > for? > To buy trains? The Delaware valley is flooded with the stuff!! I don't > need > to join this organization to buy more!! There's carloads here to be had > every > day!!" I had already joined the NASG, and had a bad experience with the > "CLIQUE" that ran this organization. At the time it seemed that if you > weren't a > part of the establishment your views (or imput) was ignored. And the > views of > the hierarchy were that of support for scale only as far as anything that > > concerned S gauge, although American Flyer fans were welcomed to join. > What > really killed me was this--a newsletter would arrive, and Flyer would be > categorized as "JUNK" by one of them in the publication, and then the > very next > newsletter would be centered around what one of them created out of a 936 > depressed > center flatcar!! So what in the world did I need to join another > organization > for, more one sided views of American Flyer? Anyway, Art kept on > nudging me > to join, and I finally relented, and George and I both joined in 1976. > We > both went to York that year (and other TCA meets as well), and what an > experience we had! The order of the day there wasn't what was the > correct trains to > buy, sell, and collect, but the order of the day was to buy, sell and > trade > TRAINS PERIOD!! All the interesting people that we met with the same > love of > trains as us, and all the information that we exchanged with each other, > and the > knowledge gained from being in the TCA over the years far outweighs what > few > negatives that the association offers. This is what the TCA means to me. > I'm > glad that I joined when I did, and I regret that I didn't join sooner > than > 1976. > > > Sincerely; > > Fred Jester > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30856	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Engine repair- fears, ineptitude, clumsiness, etc:

Dear Barb: I have a copy of the book "Complete Service Manuel for American Flyer Trains." A big part of the problem is figuring out the vocabulary ( Fear). I will get it done - both engines will eventually be able to go. I also have another book with pictures that I picked up. I was an elementary school teacher, but was never mechanical. It's a new world and I will get it done. Thanks for your concern. Best Wishes Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30857	From: Tim	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Hey!

Hey, Where's all the posts from about 4:00 PM EST to about 7:00 PM EST? You guys are logged on at work, aren't you! You're commuting now, aren't you! Wow! This list is propagated by a bunch of "work-a-days"! Thank you! Thank you for making the world go 'round so I can play with my vintage-look-alike-fake-repainted-junker American Flyer trains in the afternoon if I want to! :) :) (You guys who are on "digest mode" have "immunity".) Uh-oh. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30858	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...

Mr. Smith, Did you ever go to Washington? (joke) There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Definition delineation: Hobby - An S gauge model or toy train activity... Illness - An O gauge model or toy train activity... I mean, come on, the 3 rail thing? Scott Dee There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30859	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...

How about the 2 rail "O." I really don't see or hear much about it. I believe it does exist. Or does it? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30860	From: roy inman	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness...

Can't tell if you're serious or not, but: O-scale two rail is alive and well in Kansas City, thank you. The local club has a modular layout that seems to appear and the major train shows hereabouts. The folks in that group tell me that their numbers and interest have picked up in recent years, mostly due to the more affordable, highly detailed plastic and die-cast offerings by MTH, Third Rail, Lionel and a couple of others. They say that a brass locomotive that used to cost $2500, now can sometimes be bought for a grand or less in die cast. And the diesel two rail stuff is around $500-$700 in some cases. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: anormal1@... > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT) > To: scottdee25@..., s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale Engineer - Stop the Madness... > > How about the 2 rail "O." I really don't see or hear much about it. I > believe it does exist. Or does it? Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30861	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: York finds and the future

Tim and all, Tim, good for you in doing what you like with AF, taking old inexpensive clunkers and repainting them to what you what. My hat is off to you. So when are you going to start your company. O:)! Tim's S trains sounds good. Me, I do not have a layout yet, and going to York keeps taking care of the train budget for year! Maybe I should still go to York for the fun of seeing things and meeting people and save the money for the layout. And when I do get that layout, then I would start to buy trains from S Helper, as cars run about $45 or so. And if they get banged up, that would be fine. Sorry, Don! I wont try to bang them up. But, I am a collector of AF, as that includes some of the expensive AF pieces and I do this, when everything else in my yearly budget is taken care of: Bills, Living expensives, emergency fund for things, vacation, investments for retirement, etc. Money for trains to me is throw away money for the fun of the hobby and not for investment, as I feel these things in 20 years maybe not be worth much at all, as the generations who had trains, die off. Sorry, that a fact of life, death! LOL! People will still collect things like coins, etc., but I am not sure what the future holds for collectable trains and I hope who collect these things take care of their other needs first. We all have different reasons for being in the hobby and I respect all of you for your interest. It is a fun hobby overall, no matter you do with it. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30862	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: TCA, the good and the bad

Tom Jarcho made a comment about not joining the TCA and that is his wish. I made a comment to his statement that things weren't too well with me with the TCA. But it isn't that bad for me. I have been in the TCA since 1992 and overall, it is a great thing to belong to, as there are occasional bumps along the way, in anything you may belong to or in life, as I had two incidents with TCA this year. Things will work out in the end. Going to York, meeting people now on the internet is wonderful, as I have developed some nice friendships with many on the list and meeting a few in person, away from trains and getting the TCA News and Magazine in the mail. But because of the internet and groups like this, this past York was the best, because I actually was at York for the first time, where I actually got to met some really nice people and that wouldn't of happen if it wasn't for Yahoo groups like S list on the internet. In past York's, I only knew some of the local people here in MD. I am also lucky to have a wife who enjoys the hobby too, as she still says girls didn't have neat toys like boys did in the 1960's. I think it is too bad that more wife's and women are not in the hobby and good for Barb for what she is doing and her enthusiastic approach to the hobby. I have learn allot from her. And I had the smallest train budget at this York,due to a house expense, but I had the best time at this York of York's I have been too, since I was able to met many new people. So, it is not all about how much money you have to spend. You can have a great time with out spending anything. Also, the knowledge among many in the TCA is great, as well with those who are not in TCA, as we are always learning new things about trains, and allot of that knowledge for me is from TCA members. Harwood Owings, Ralph Loveless and Bob Tufts taught me allot in my beginning days in trains and they are still always available to me for questions. Thanks! So that is the good, now for the bad that I had experience this year with TCA and I will do that in another email, as this email can get quite long. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30863	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Now the bad of TCA

I had two incidents this year with TCA. One, as many may recall, was my purchase of a 21130 Hudson on Ebay with the reglued steps when the seller quoted TCA standards that the item was E plus and nothing broken or cracked on the engine. He did take the engine back, which ended costing me $47 and allot of heartache and grief, since this was the last 5 digit Hudson, the plug in version, that I needed. I did file a complaint with TCA and I got a response this week from them. They find the seller not guilty of any Standards grading violation since he took the engine back and refunded my money, minus his Ebay fee and the postage this whole thing cost me. I find that totally wrong, as that sends a message to me, that you can grossly misrepresent an item, as TCA agrees he did, get caught, return the money and all is well. That is so wrong. When you do something wrong in life, you pay a penalty for that, no matter the outcome. I would of not bided for this item had he properly wrote that the steps were glued and he knew what he was doing, since he made sure to mention the steps being there, a common known fact about these five digit Hudson's. He is a good salesman, as the status of the steps is a key selling point for this engine. And to find one with all four original steps is tough. So not only did the seller insult me, by saying ask next time if the steps are glued, I think TCA insulted me too. But it will pass. But I will let TCA know how wrong that policy is and what a terrible message that is to the rest of the membership. buyers and sellers. So the next issue with me of TCA, as something did slip through the cracks at this past York and I don't fully blame TCA for it. In my search for that 21130 plug in, I found one in the White Hall, with only one repro step, as the seller told me about and the engine was in great shape, better than the one I got from Ebay. No major marks anywhere and I don't see any touch ups. He said the engine runs and smokes great and it does. And it was $400, 235 less than the ebay engine, so minus the 47 I lost in that deal, I am a $188 ahead of the game! I asked him for a card, as I do with all sellers and he didn't have, as there were two men running the table, with assorted AF and O gauge items, not necessary AF O. I figure that is fine, as he is a TCA member and I could look him up in the book in case there was a problem with the engine when I got home. WRONG! He is not a member. My wife does remember him having a TCA York badge on that said White Hall. He said he was from NJ and I did a computer search for him and nothing. And nothing in the US, as he doesn't have a common name. I wrote to TCA on Monday and they said he wasn't a member. I called Glenn Snyder, the York Chairman and he doesn't know who he is. He did say that if he was a guest, that guest are not allow to sell trains at York. This was not a bandit meet. He said for me to call Linda Webber. I spoke to her and she is going to check it out. I haven't heard from her. Thankfully, the engine is fine, but if it wasn't I would have no recourse, except to stop payment on the check Monday. So, I really think it was like one of those TV shows with an angel at York, since this involves the 21130 Hudson again! LOL! I am glad I don't need another plug in version of these Hudson, as I need another direct wire Hudson, someday, as there were two sets with this Hudson, as I am building these sets, by buying the individual pieces. I will avoid Ebay and I will ask every seller at York , that I don't know, for his or her TCA card, so I can write down the information, as Glenn told me to do in the future, should I have to contact the seller after the sale! I may look stupid, but you never know. But all is well for me with TCA and I would never stop being a member. I am looking forward to future York's, seeing things, meeting new and old friends and constantly learning to be a wiser buyer. O:)! So this concludes my never-ending search for that elusive 21130 plug in Hudson and the stories to go with it. I guess it wont be made into a movie or something like that! So, where is that Hudson angel of mine, I need another direct wire version! LOL! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30864	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Customer Service?

This was on the TCA list. I thought you all might enjoy this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Arber" <toyrail@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: [toytrains] Customer Service? > I was at the Lionel booth at York when I overheard the following between an older gentleman standing next to me and one of their Reps.. > > <Man> "Can you answer a technical question?" > > <Rep> "No." > > <Man> "Is there someone here that can?" > > <Rep> "No, we are all Customer Service. We don't deal with the technical end of things." > > <Man> "Well, I'm going to ask anyway." > > I didn't catch the question. > > <Rep> "No, none of us can answer that. But I'll tell you what you can do, call this number at Lionel (hands him a card) and they will be able to answer it for you. > > <Man> "Who will this put me in touch with. > > <Rep> "Customer Service." > > <Me> LOL!! > > Scott Arber > > BTW: What's the chances of the first door prize number drawn being 027? > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30865	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Movie "The Train" 1964

For those with a fetish to tape movies like this one--Saturday 4/24 is it --2pm ET ; 3pm CT--Turner Classic Movies-- Turner does not have commercial breaks. This movie is one of the best for steam and 90% of it centers on train activity in war time France. Burt Lancaster plays the lead role and does most of his own stunts in the movie. Paul Scofield plays the bad guy. Too bad this movie was filmed in Black and white. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30866	From: Tim	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964

Au contraire! Black 'n white films give a certain ambiance that simply can't be captured any other way. THE top pics in the world are usually in black 'n white because they capture pathos more than those in color. The human eye recognizes contrast much, much faster and the brain interprets it with deeper meaning than images in color. Remember, we evolved either as predators or running from them. When was the last time you dreamed in color? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: JRKRrdd@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Movie "The Train" 1964 For those with a fetish to tape movies like this one--Saturday 4/24 is it --2pm ET ; 3pm CT--Turner Classic Movies-- Turner does not have commercial breaks. This movie is one of the best for steam and 90% of it centers on train activity in war time France. Burt Lancaster plays the lead role and does most of his own stunts in the movie. Paul Scofield plays the bad guy. Too bad this movie was filmed in Black and white. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30867	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Re: S-gaugian Article

Good for you Chris! It was actually in the TCA magazine as I said it was S Gaugian. My error. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S-gaugian Article > My Does! SHe'll read anything to do with Don, Mike ,Robin or S-Helper.Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30868	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30869	From: waldootten	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: Pony Express in Chicago!

Hey gang -- Talk about a shock! Tonight about 6:45 pm I was in my truck and waiting gates-down at the UP (former CNW) crossing in downtown Wheaton (30 miles W of downtown) and suddenly the historic Union Pacific "Pony Express colors" streamliner passed by heading into the city -- about a dozen passenger cars, etc., headed by ABA units (E9s). Wow! Looked like new! Just like the Flyer version on my layout (except ACG made Alcos, not E9s). Could not find any info about why it is here or passing thru on the UP website. Anyone know any details? I had my camera with me and managed to get it out to catch the second E9 unit and a couple of passenger cars as it whooshed by. Wish I knew ahead of time, would have been there waiting, camera in hand. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30870	From: starr007	Date: 4/23/2004
Subject: engines for sale

Greetings, Does anybody have one of the following engines for sale, 8100, 8102, 8106, 8112, 8153, or an 8251, I have a mint 8152 shell I would trade for an 8150 shell in same condition! Thanks, Please send reply to J.R. Starr at starr007@...! I also need some GP7 sideframes or complete chassis with trucks and sideframes. Thanks again, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30871	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Convention cars

Can someone pass along the link where I can view the NASG 2004 convention cars? Thanks :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30872	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Convention cars

Information, including the order form, on the Convention Cars for Puget Sound 2004, the 2004 regional convention can be found at: http://www.nasg.org/ps2004.html Regards Michael At 12:00 PM 4/24/2004, roy inman wrote: >Can someone pass along the link where I can view the NASG 2004 convention >cars? >Thanks :) >Roy Inman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30873	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: parts is parts

Afternoon, Anybody need to add some weight to the scrap box enough to pay for postage on these items: 3 stamped metal tender floors 2 diecast 630 floors 3 stamped 930 floors 15 stamped 806 floors 1 Link boxcar stamped floor 1 pikemaster stamped floor 1 poor 629 open slats, the hump of course, no doors, diecast floor and trucks 3 sets of hopper truck weights 1 lot of link and knuckle truck sideframes no wheels.. Act fast the way steel is going up I may decide to charge for the stuff. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30874	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: The Train Movie & Dreams

While I agree that B & W movies are great, I dream in color! And even sometimes about trains! Sad part of this movie is that they actually destroyed real steam trains for the filming! BTW, great jokes in the last digest, I always wondered if this was a hobby or a mental illness. Whew!! S' David D. PS Sunny & warm on Dewey mountain, now to fix everything. . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30875	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: uork Photos

Hi All, Someone on our list took photos with a digital camera at the Gilbert Get Together. Can't remember who's camera it was. Would that person please contact me off list? Thanks ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30876	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: TRAINS & MUSIC

The other day while running my trains I had the TV on and an older movie from the 40's was on & music was playing. What a great feeling of the trains along with the "PROPER" music for the era of when I ran my trains. Anyone else run their trains to music that is from their childhood era or the era that the trains are from? Maybe a list can be compiled as to the correct "MOOD MUSIC" to run trains by. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30877	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

You bet, Mike. My favorite is, "Boogaloo Down Broadway". :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINS & MUSIC The other day while running my trains I had the TV on and an older movie from the 40's was on & music was playing. What a great feeling of the trains along with the "PROPER" music for the era of when I ran my trains. Anyone else run their trains to music that is from their childhood era or the era that the trains are from? Maybe a list can be compiled as to the correct "MOOD MUSIC" to run trains by. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30878	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Some of the music will bring me back to an afternoon when I was playing & a song was playing & just for an instant I'm right back there. I really love when that happens. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30879	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Some of the songs bring me back to Christmas morning. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30880	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

I listen to AOL radio........Jazz and Blues......Sinatra Style......good 50's music! Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30881	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Dane, Nat King Cole, Any of the greats, Dino, The Big Bands (although a bit earlier) GILBERT & Sullivan, Tommy Dorsey Almost anything with a nice smooth rhythm to it. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30882	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Actually, I have a music database of mp3 files on a computer dedicated as a juke box. I use an RCA cord to go from the sound card to an external amp and out to speakers, both upstairs and downstairs. In the morning, I just boot the computer up, open WinAmp as the jukebox and let it play all day long on random selection mode. There are a variety of selections from Perry Como to Pearl Jam and beyond in my database. If I want to turn the music off a while, I just flick off the external amp. Pleasant odors take me back sometimes, as well. That is why I like the aroma therapy of smoke fluid. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Anormal1@... To: timboy@... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRAINS & MUSIC Some of the music will bring me back to an afternoon when I was playing & a song was playing & just for an instant I'm right back there. I really love when that happens. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30883	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: got wheels?

Hi gang, I'm getting started on a basket 312. Among other things it's missing two drivewheels. I need one flanged driver and one nonflanged center wheel. The date on the boiler is 9/47. The wheels have what looks like four small rivets. I tried some spare Atlantic wheels I had, but they are slightly larger. Come on scaler dudes, you don't need 'em. Please contact me off list. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30884	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: TRAINS & MUSIC

Tim, good choice. You might also enjoy "Function At the Junction". Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30885	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Being a Philly guy (YO Adrian), my trains run to the TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia) Theme from Soul Train with vocals by the Three Degrees. It's not the 50's but it gets you moving. I guess I'm a bit prejudiced to this bumping music since I was involved in recording it during the 70's. Regards Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30886	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Got it!, along with "Fungus Among Us" (different artist). Did I neglect to mention that, at last count, my mp3 database was 5,000+ selections and growing! Okay, for you old-fashioned CD peoples, that translates to a music library of about 350+ CD's! Now, for you REALLY old-fashioned peoples, that translates to about 500 LP vinyl albums (each with one groove per side, Tom). And guess what, they were all freeeee! Don't ask me to share them - that might be illegal! What does that have to do with trains - I listen to music while I play with my trains - what music - MY music! :) :) What time is it kids... Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul4Schil@... To: Timboy@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Anormal1@... Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: TRAINS & MUSIC Tim, good choice. You might also enjoy "Function At the Junction". Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30887	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Hey, hey, no broken steps!

And it's the plug-in version... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3188676739&rd=1 <smerk> Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30888	From: race944t	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Watch those shipping costs

Don't know if anyone of us is bidding on "1947 Train Set...Almost Complete", but check the shipping charge $100.00!! On another note, who among us got the most hugs from Barb at York? I was lucky enough to keep running into her in the Blue and Silver Halls. Each time resulted in a nice hug! I echo everyone else, Barb, now I know why they call Florida the sunshine state. I never saw you without a smile on your face. My York finds: 2 boxes of junk that happened to have: 302AC, a perfect 307, 322 S.I.T. w/broken tender, running 356 w/o tender shell, several 1947 thick shank coupler cars - all nice, 641 gondola, 941 gondola, 648 track cleaner "E", several 710 & 712 special rail sections, lots of buttons, 716 side dump hopper, a couple 924 hoppers, 24533 knuckle coupler track cleaning car only missing a brakestand, a Challenger (or is that a Northern) shell w/number boards all for $105. I love Lionel "O" gauge folks who have these boxes under their table! But the deal was to find 3 MP Eagle passenger cars in great shape for less than $500 total for the 3. I spent more than my budget, have more projects than I need, but met a lot of nice people and had another great York. See you in October. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30889	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs

No kidding on shipping.... On the plane I bought up in N.C. I figured I could get a flat trailer and haul it back..... WOW am I wrong...... For a trailer 7 x 18.... I have to buy one ...1200 + transportation.... Can rent a truck for 1400.00 round trip.... so the shipping is somewhere between 1500 and 2000.... I am about ready to give up and buy one in flying condition.... Fly the **** Thing Home.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Watch those shipping costs > Don't know if anyone of us is bidding on "1947 Train Set...Almost > Complete", but check the shipping charge $100.00!! > > On another note, who among us got the most hugs from Barb at York? > I was lucky enough to keep running into her in the Blue and Silver > Halls. Each time resulted in a nice hug! I echo everyone else, > Barb, now I know why they call Florida the sunshine state. I never > saw you without a smile on your face. > > My York finds: > > 2 boxes of junk that happened to have: > 302AC, a perfect 307, 322 S.I.T. w/broken tender, running 356 w/o > tender shell, several 1947 thick shank coupler cars - all nice, 641 > gondola, 941 gondola, 648 track cleaner "E", several 710 & 712 > special rail sections, lots of buttons, 716 side dump hopper, a > couple 924 hoppers, 24533 knuckle coupler track cleaning car only > missing a brakestand, a Challenger (or is that a Northern) shell > w/number boards all for $105. I love Lionel "O" gauge folks who > have these boxes under their table! > > But the deal was to find 3 MP Eagle passenger cars in great shape > for less than $500 total for the 3. > > I spent more than my budget, have more projects than I need, but met > a lot of nice people and had another great York. See you in October. > > Bill > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30890	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS

I got 4 !!!!!!! Thanks Barb................ Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30891	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS

I think we are tied I got at least 4,Barb is a very happy person. Bob Persing robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote:I got 4 !!!!!!! Thanks Barb................ Bob RCON7 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30892	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs

Dear Bob, Shipping cost are going up everywhere. As of May 1st, a 40' container cost will go up $600 (or $11 per CBM) Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30893	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs

I got lots of hugs, but I'm reticent to say who they were from! Any guesses? :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Watch those shipping costs Don't know if anyone of us is bidding on "1947 Train Set...Almost Complete", but check the shipping charge $100.00!! On another note, who among us got the most hugs from Barb at York? I was lucky enough to keep running into her in the Blue and Silver Halls. Each time resulted in a nice hug! I echo everyone else, Barb, now I know why they call Florida the sunshine state. I never saw you without a smile on your face. My York finds: 2 boxes of junk that happened to have: 302AC, a perfect 307, 322 S.I.T. w/broken tender, running 356 w/o tender shell, several 1947 thick shank coupler cars - all nice, 641 gondola, 941 gondola, 648 track cleaner "E", several 710 & 712 special rail sections, lots of buttons, 716 side dump hopper, a couple 924 hoppers, 24533 knuckle coupler track cleaning car only missing a brakestand, a Challenger (or is that a Northern) shell w/number boards all for $105. I love Lionel "O" gauge folks who have these boxes under their table! But the deal was to find 3 MP Eagle passenger cars in great shape for less than $500 total for the 3. I spent more than my budget, have more projects than I need, but met a lot of nice people and had another great York. See you in October. Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30894	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Nice....But FLYER is more fun

Parasailing is FUN..... Try it.... Bob RCON7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30895	From: Tim	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Did I win tonight?

There were seven. Was I the first one to post the correct answer and did I win tonight's contest? I need a reverse unit, 'cuz I gave a great one away - to someone we never heard of before. I wonder where it is now! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30896	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS and kisses and ???????

A fine bunch of gentleman you all are.... I guess the Yorkers are kiss and tellers... Any stories of hugs for the 3-railers in attendance? Scandalous behavior at best... Maybe next year s-gaugers could sponsor a kissing booth (with you know who) to raise funds for S-gauge causes... No hugs for me though - I offered $1.50 more on an item she wanted (263 steam engine) at a table in the orange hall... I hope she'll forgive me some day... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT PERSING [mailto:boblines51@...] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 9:40 PM To: robert allen conner;; race944t Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HUGS I think we are tied I got at least 4,Barb is a very happy person. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30897	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?

Does York just do older used items? I was wondering if anyone saw the new Flyonel search light car? I was wishing to know if it is all metal (including the light) like the original. well I guess the engine on it was always plastic. Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30898	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?

Hey Scott! This was my first "YORK" and out of all the halls, there was one that had mostly manufacture's and major retailers and yes Lionel was there. I did have a pretty good look at the new AF, but did not really notice much about the new freight cars, other than the excellent graphics. I was really, REALLY impressed with the NYC 2-8-2. WOW! I didn't think I would be even slightly interested in this. After seeing it, I told my buddy to order me one! I also liked the new NYC crane car/work caboose. Heck! all the AF stuff really impressed me to the point of really wanting to support Lionel in buying this stuff, so maybe they will continue to put out more"new" products. The new 2-8-2 is practically all metal and the detail is incredible! Check it out.....Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Flyonel @ York - Search light car? > Does York just do older used items? > > > > I was wondering if anyone saw the new Flyonel search light car? > > > > I was wishing to know if it is all metal (including the light) like the > original. well I guess the engine on it was always plastic. > > > > Scott Dee > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30899	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs

BOB Go to the PO & PU a movers guide. There is a coupon for 20% off on a budget truck rental & you can send for a 10% off coupon from Lowes & other neat stuff. But the truck rental is the best & Budget is about 25% cheaper than U-Haul anyway, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30900	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2004
Subject: SHIPPING COSTS

Also if you reserve your truck on line there is a 10% on line savings. AS they might only let you use the 20% for the truck Then the 10% is good for a trailer. Mike PS: This is to haul trains & the airplane(To keep within the train rule:) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30901	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: TRAINS & MUSIC

Theater Pipe Organ music for me! Various artists did RR tunes on the organ... steam engines of course!... which make it that much more appropriate. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30902	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: A few questions for the experts...

Hi all. Just bought some of the blue styrofoam to put on top of my first of three modules. What is the best way to cut this stuff? Sharp knife? I will have some left over and some scraps and I was thinking of using this left over stuff for mountains, tunnels, etc. When I need to sculpt, is there a hot knife that would work better? I was thinking of using hot glue or Elmers for attaching the styrofoam to the top of the table? Thanks for your suggestions. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30903	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Rehab projects

Hi, I uploaded a few pics to the Tim Brown photo album on our Yahoo site. You'll prob'ly have to sign it if you want to see them, but otherwise, here is the link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?.dir=/Tim+Brown+Projects&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t I've got a whole cupboard full of junk awaiting rehab. I take the pieces one-at-a-time and do the best job I can with them. Getting the piece whole and operable is the first priority. Stripping it down is the next step, followed by hand-mixing the paint by eye and applying it to the desired finish. It's fun to ride the learning curve! I try to get the lowest prices I can when I buy junk. I find that the net cost of the finished project piece is usually about 1/3 or lower of what I would have to spend to buy it in E- condition. One nice thing about collecting junk is that I accumulate my own inventory of spare parts-is-parts. I'm showing one stockyard in the pics. I reclaimed two. I figure someday on my future monster layout, it will be fun to pick up cattle from one and deliver them to another. I have two junker Guilford Stations awaiting attention with the same thought in mind. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30904	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: A few questions for the experts...

Gary, Try Woodland Scenics they have several foam cutters search their site http://www.woodlandscenics.com/ I've been using one and it works great We also use some surform (sp) planes that gets down to the final details. White glue will hold the foam board but it takes about 24 hours to dry Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <gchidester@...> To: "slist" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A few questions for the experts... > Hi all. > > Just bought some of the blue styrofoam to put on top of my first of three > modules. What is the best way to cut this stuff? Sharp knife? I will have > some left over and some scraps and I was thinking of using this left over > stuff for mountains, tunnels, etc. When I need to sculpt, is there a hot > knife that would work better? > > I was thinking of using hot glue or Elmers for attaching the styrofoam to > the top of the table? > > Thanks for your suggestions. > > gary > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30905	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel @ York - Search light car?

I did not see one of the new searchlite cars but the early searchlite car had a light green diecast generater. Bob Persing Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote:Does York just do older used items? I was wondering if anyone saw the new Flyonel search light car? I was wishing to know if it is all metal (including the light) like the original. well I guess the engine on it was always plastic. Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30906	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: A few questions for the experts...

Dear James, Low temp hot glue works great. I have built three layouts using it on the risers and elevations. Don PS serrated steak knives work real good cutting blue foam and they are much quicker. James Hannawald wrote: >Gary, > >Try Woodland Scenics they have several foam cutters search their site >http://www.woodlandscenics.com/ > >I've been using one and it works great We also use some surform (sp) planes >that gets down to the final details. White glue will hold the foam board >but it takes about 24 hours to dry > >Jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Chidester" <gchidester@...> >To: "slist" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:13 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] A few questions for the experts... > > > > >>Hi all. >> >>Just bought some of the blue styrofoam to put on top of my first of three >>modules. What is the best way to cut this stuff? Sharp knife? I will >> >> >have > > >>some left over and some scraps and I was thinking of using this left over >>stuff for mountains, tunnels, etc. When I need to sculpt, is there a hot >>knife that would work better? >> >>I was thinking of using hot glue or Elmers for attaching the styrofoam to >>the top of the table? >> >>Thanks for your suggestions. >> >>gary >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30907	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Parts spoken for

Good Morning list, The caboose frames and misc items are now taken. Thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30908	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Watch those shipping costs

Bob, Check with an independent trucker, a broker or a small local terminal. Frequently they have loads only so far, need a load to get home. Might only cost the fuel. Worth a shot, I'd do it in a similar situation. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30909	From: larryasp	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: 332AC Performance

How well should a 332AC perform. I brought home one today on spec from a local train show, owner claims it works well etc. Havnt opened it as yet to do a "tune up". I believe the motor is pre pulmore etc. It runs smokes etc, and on its own gathers decent speed. Howeve once it gets a load, IE - 3 heavyweights - it slows and crawls around the curves, the tender lifts slitely and on occasion she stalls. What should one of these be capable of pulling or run like? You see advertising from the past of these "powerful" locomotives pulling cars uphill etc in the Flyer ads - but I wonder - since the motor in the 332AC doesnt look any different than in the 302AC. Id be interested in hearing how others have fared with the 332AC after tune up clean up etc, and if anyone has tips on making them work a little better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30910	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance

Hi, I can identify with what you're saying about the 332AC. I bought one a couple years ago. I tore the motor apart and cleaned it up real well, but IMHO, it still doesn't pull as one might think it should. Basically, I believe you nailed the reason; the motor in this model is about the same size as most other steamers, but with all the metal in the loco and tender, that's already a lot of weight to lug around. A Hudson will usually beat the pants off a 332 AC because there is less weight on a Hudson and that weight sits better over it's drive wheels. I believe the 332AC would be an excellent candidate for one of the DC can motors currently available from a couple sources. I would choose a DC can motor because I believe there would be a lot more voltage available to spin the armature, since the DC can motor uses a permanent magnet field which doesn't have to be energized. You could wire a rectifier into the tender or pull the reverse unit and put a Dallee electronic reverse unit in there. The only problem is, will the loco then smoke as much? A work-around to that might be to rebuild the smoke box. When doing that, I would use a few less turns on the nichrome wire for more resistance. More resistance = more heat = more smoke, but also may = a shortened nichrome wire or wick life. I would also drill out the holes one or two drill bit sizes larger where the wick goes down into the lower chamber. That's what I would do. You do so at your own risk, as that might make smoke fluid drip out if the loco were ever turned upside-down. I rather doubt that super-charging the wick with smoke fluid from the above procedure would cause a flame-out, but that is assuming you are using conventional smoke fluid with a low flash point and don't stick any lighter fluid or alcohol down the smoke stack. Or if you do, at least give it a day or so to evaporate before powering it up (here endeth the safety briefing). Here are some things to check concerning the tender. You may have a wire harness from the tender to the loco that is either too short or too stiff or both. The tender chassis could be warped. The rivet/bushing holding the trucks on could be worn too much resulting in too much play. The trucks themselves could be sprung out of line. The wheels might be out of gauge, but I think the tender might be more prone to derailing if that were the case. In any event, it never hurts to check the wheel set gauge. If all of the above check out okay, you could try adding some additional weight to the tender chassis. Good luck and please let us know how you make out with it! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: larryasp To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 332AC Performance How well should a 332AC perform. I brought home one today on spec from a local train show, owner claims it works well etc. Havnt opened it as yet to do a "tune up". I believe the motor is pre pulmore etc. It runs smokes etc, and on its own gathers decent speed. Howeve once it gets a load, IE - 3 heavyweights - it slows and crawls around the curves, the tender lifts slitely and on occasion she stalls. What should one of these be capable of pulling or run like? You see advertising from the past of these "powerful" locomotives pulling cars uphill etc in the Flyer ads - but I wonder - since the motor in the 332AC doesnt look any different than in the 302AC. Id be interested in hearing how others have fared with the 332AC after tune up clean up etc, and if anyone has tips on making them work a little better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30911	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30912	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964

Hey Tim: I have always dreamed in color. Yeah, i know, save your breath, i've heard all the arguments. I dream in color. Anyway, the train is a GREAT movie. Hope everyone who could catch it did so. The black and white cinematography is gorgeous and "the train" is in most of the scenes. I think this is one of Lancaster's better movies and the supporting cast is well played. If you want a list of train movies, go to http://www.the- gauge.com/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=6462&highlight=train+movies. Later, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30913	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Movie "The Train" 1964

Hi Ted, It IS a fabulous movie and I do agree with your assessment of Burt's role in it. I wouldn't change one single frame. It plays from time to time, on Turner Classic Movies. I think they have a play list on their web site. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: trzp1800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Movie "The Train" 1964 Hey Tim: I have always dreamed in color. Yeah, i know, save your breath, i've heard all the arguments. I dream in color. Anyway, the train is a GREAT movie. Hope everyone who could catch it did so. The black and white cinematography is gorgeous and "the train" is in most of the scenes. I think this is one of Lancaster's better movies and the supporting cast is well played. If you want a list of train movies, go to http://www.the- gauge.com/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=6462&highlight=train+movies. Later, Ted S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30914	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Hey, hey, no broken steps!

I thought the tenders on the 22139 and 21140 were still Metal, so the steps should be on there still, unless re-welded! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hey, hey, no broken steps! > And it's the plug-in version... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3188676739&rd=1 > > <smerk> > > Michael > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30915	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: HUGS

I didn't think that meeting Barb was suppose to be a hugging contest. I thought meeting Barb was great because she is a great person and has allot of drive and spirit for the hobby. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "race944t" <race944t@...> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HUGS I think we are tied I got at least 4,Barb is a very happy person. Bob Persing robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote:I got 4 !!!!!!! Thanks Barb................ Bob RCON7 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30916	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: re Northern performance

I have a 332 with DC motor and while top speed isn't as high as a 322, it pulls 4 aluminum coaches and I've had it pull 15 freight cars easily. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30917	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Roundhouse & turntable progress

I uploaded some photos of the current status of the engine facilities on my layout at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=6 Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30918	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion

Friends, I didn't get any work done this weekend on my critters because the OMule-2-S project gave me an idea to solve the problems I've been having regaugeing my Bachmann On30 Mogul to 1:64 standard gauge. The same SHS axles that we used for the OMule-2-S conversion also work perfectly to reguage the Mogul. All you have to do is ream out the axle holes in the Bachmann wheels (I did it with a drill bit in power screw driver, holding the wheels in a pair of channel-locks) to take the SHS plastic insulator hub and axle, trim the insulator on the outside a bit and swap the Bachmann gear over to the SHS axle. The pressure foot for the center drivers has to be reamed just a bit for the SHS axle. I disconnected the wheel wiper system from the loco and used SHS caboose trucks with leads to power the locomotive. That is why the loco is riding a little high on the frame now. I've got to go to Radio Shock and get some micro connectors. I have placed a picture in my file on Paul Yorke's website - the figure is Artisita. Have also placed a pic of my new 0-6-0 next to my DIRTY AF 343 0-8-0 switcher. Here is the link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo52 Please let me know what you think - I'm not happy with the cab but it will do for now. I've still got lots of work to do to get ready for the paint shop. Anyone know where I can get plans for a locomotive wash rack? Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30919	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance

In a message dated 4/25/04 2:30:32 PM, larry.asp@... writes: << How well should a 332AC perform? >> Superbly. I currently have on my layout a stock 332AC pulling four Gilbert 600 series heavyweights, a 718, and a 732 with no problems at all with roughly 12 volts. Smokes well, too. If a 332AC is not pulling reasonably well with good speed, it needs work. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30920	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] friction trucks

Is any of the mfg. in "S" using slippery plastic in the manufacture of Truck axles? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30921	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] friction trucks

Dear Roger, We use pointed metal axles that ride in a delrin bearing in the sideframes. The only plastic axles that I remember were those made by SSA on the Gunderson kits released a few years back.. Don Ironhorse wrote: >Is any of the mfg. in "S" using slippery plastic in the manufacture of Truck axles? > >Roger > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30922	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion

Dear Don, You may want to use our Andrews loco trucks that we just started to sell, I think the item number is #1508 and #01509 for the code 110 and AF comp. wheelsets. The cost is $9.95 and include the leads, all wheels are powered and they have brass axles. Don Donald Munsey Jr. wrote: >Friends, > >...used SHS caboose trucks with leads to power the locomotive. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30923	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Roundhouse & turntable progress

I definately want to see that bad boy when it's done! I hate you. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Kuepper To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Roundhouse & turntable progress I uploaded some photos of the current status of the engine facilities on my layout at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=6 Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30924	From: Tim	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion

That Baby Baldwin is just too awesome! Keep going with it! I hate you too! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: Steve Blancard ; Wayne and Alice Beachy ; Gale Hall ; beebear ; Sn42conspiracy_group@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains List ; S-Scale List Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion Friends, I didn't get any work done this weekend on my critters because the OMule-2-S project gave me an idea to solve the problems I've been having regaugeing my Bachmann On30 Mogul to 1:64 standard gauge. The same SHS axles that we used for the OMule-2-S conversion also work perfectly to reguage the Mogul. All you have to do is ream out the axle holes in the Bachmann wheels (I did it with a drill bit in power screw driver, holding the wheels in a pair of channel-locks) to take the SHS plastic insulator hub and axle, trim the insulator on the outside a bit and swap the Bachmann gear over to the SHS axle. The pressure foot for the center drivers has to be reamed just a bit for the SHS axle. I disconnected the wheel wiper system from the loco and used SHS caboose trucks with leads to power the locomotive. That is why the loco is riding a little high on the frame now. I've got to go to Radio Shock and get some micro connectors. I have placed a picture in my file on Paul Yorke's website - the figure is Artisita. Have also placed a pic of my new 0-6-0 next to my DIRTY AF 343 0-8-0 switcher. Here is the link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo52 Please let me know what you think - I'm not happy with the cab but it will do for now. I've still got lots of work to do to get ready for the paint shop. Anyone know where I can get plans for a locomotive wash rack? Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30925	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/25/2004
Subject: Turntable

Dick, How long is your turntable? How long is the staging in front of the Engine House? What isw the length of the track inside the Engine House? There appears to be track in the bottom of the turntable well. What is it? N gage? Are you planning contacts at the end of the turntable so that the staging track in front of the Engine House is energized when the turntable is aligned? What is you plan to align the track to the turntable? My compliments to you and your work. Looks GREAT!! bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30926	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > If a 332AC is not pulling reasonably well with good > speed, it needs work. > > Bob Bubeck Hi Bob, Other than resurfacing the commutator, cleaning the slots, degreasing the motor in general, cleaning out and relubricating the gear box, making sure the brushes are long enough and come into proper contact with the commutator and the brush tube holder is clean, making sure there is no excessive friction or binding of the commutator shaft or the worm gear and the correct commutator is in place for this model, checking to see that the resistance of the commutator and field are close to spec, making sure the smoke unit isn't binding or any gears are worn, checking that all the linkage works freely and doesn't bind with the wheels, making sure the wheels are quartered right and centered properly on their wheel centers, overhauling the reverse unit to deliver the voltage to the motor, cleaning the tender wheels and making sure there is good electrical pick-up and the tender wheels roll easily, what kind of work are you suggesting? I may be overlooking something. I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, I can't think of anything else to check. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30927	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: 332AC Performance

----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: RBubeck327@... Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 332AC Performance Hi Bob, You may have something there about the armature being a little weak, but still close to spec on the resistance. Not a bad thought and I agree with you that the armature would be more prone to decline before the field. Rewinding a field is easy enough, but an armature is a test of patience (for me). Also, it depends on how we define "pulling reasonably well with good speed". My 332AC pulls four streamlined passenger cars around pretty well on a level track with what I would define as good speed considering the load, but not nearly as well going up a 4% grade. Maybe that's expecting a little too much for that size motor without Pulmor traction. Thanks for the clarification and tips! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: RBubeck327@... To: Timboy@... Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 332AC Performance In a message dated 4/26/2004 1:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Timboy@... writes: Hi Bob, Other than ................. Hi, Tim: Well, one thing not in your copious list is replacement and/or rewinding the armature. After doing all that you correctly listed, the thing that I have found to often result in a poky engine is a marginal armature. Occasionally, the problem may a marginal field, but most often an armature. Prewar through postwar, armatures were wound with copper wire coated with lacquer. Lacquer is porous and does not inherently have great longevity so turns may start shorting out and torque drops. The more use, the more heat, etc. These days, copper wire is coated with Formex, which is as tough as nails. You do correctly mention checking resistance, but several shorted turns may not give a significant indication. I have found that a light spritz of LPS No. 1 (from Ace Hardware) on the commutator can often result in higher rpms for a given voltage. We do know that 332ACs, when new, pulled well, so it is a matter of finding the problem(s). It would be interesting to see what Tom Jarcho says. Hope this helps. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30928	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 Mogul conversion

Great work, Don! I sort of like the original cab best - the Rex seems a little small for my tast (such as it is). Keep those pictures coming. Dick Aurora, OH At 08:36 PM 4/25/2004, Donald Munsey Jr. wrote: >Friends, > >I didn't get any work done this weekend on my critters because the >OMule-2-S project gave me an idea to solve the problems I've been having >regaugeing my Bachmann On30 Mogul to 1:64 standard gauge. The same SHS >axles that we used for the OMule-2-S conversion also work perfectly to >reguage the Mogul. All you have to do is ream out the axle holes in the >Bachmann wheels (I did it with a drill bit in power screw driver, >holding the wheels in a pair of channel-locks) to take the SHS plastic >insulator hub and axle, trim the insulator on the outside a bit and swap >the Bachmann gear over to the SHS axle. The pressure foot for the >center drivers has to be reamed just a bit for the SHS axle. I >disconnected the wheel wiper system from the loco and used SHS caboose >trucks with leads to power the locomotive. That is why the loco is >riding a little high on the frame now. I've got to go to Radio Shock >and get some micro connectors. > >I have placed a picture in my file on Paul Yorke's website - the figure >is Artisita. > >Have also placed a pic of my new 0-6-0 next to my DIRTY AF 343 0-8-0 >switcher. > >Here is the link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo52 > >Please let me know what you think - I'm not happy with the cab but it >will do for now. I've still got lots of work to do to get ready for the >paint shop. > >Anyone know where I can get plans for a locomotive wash rack? > >Enjoy! > >Don Munsey, Jr. >Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30929	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Turntable

At 12:36 AM 4/26/2004, A.E. Johnson wrote: >Dick, > >How long is your turntable? 22" >How long is the staging in front of the Engine House? 10 1/2". I found >that making it much longer caused an overlap of track at the table >(although I could have trimmed ties to gain some length). >What isw the length of the track inside the Engine House? The roundhouse >depth is 21". >There appears to be track in the bottom of the turntable well. What is it? >N gage? I assume it's HO, possibly a light weight (HOn#?). You would >have to ask Doug Peck at Portlines - both items are his). > >Are you planning contacts at the end of the turntable so that the staging >track in front of the Engine House is energized when the turntable is >aligned? Not at this time - too complicated for me. I plan on using >toggle switches for the time being. >What is you plan to align the track to the turntable? The motor is >operated with an HO DC pack at low voltage. The instructions call for a >DPDT - center off momentary contact switch, but I have not been able to >find one anywhere (Radio Shack, electronic surplus stores, etc.). But the >power pack I am using has a center off potentiometer? rheostat?, so the TT >turns counterclockwise when the knob is turned in that direction, and vice >versa. The bridge moves so slowly it is no problem lining it up by >eyeball, so no plans for indexing yet (until the eyes get worse!). > >My compliments to you and your work. Looks GREAT!! Thanks. > > >bigfoot > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30930	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2265

The best thing for your 332 is to make sure that the commutator isn't 'grooved' or 'rutted'. It can be 'turned' by hand or on a drill press to get it flat again, which will greatly improve performance. Super motors are available out there if you want to put in a 3/4" lamination AC motor. Check the archives -- I think someone even described how he made his own 3/4" motor from junker 1/2" motors. The long wheelbase of the 332 does tend to slow it down a bit on curves too. Another cause of the tender lifting, besides the wiring, is the drawbar attachment. If it has a short drawbar shoulder screw, then try a long one. This has worked for me. Of course make sure the drawbar is shaped properly -- sometimes they have been bent into weird shapes. Check the squareness of the tender trucks. If one of the four sideframes is bent slightly up or down, then the tender won't track properly. Good luck, Don >Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:28:52 -0400 From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> >Subject: 332AC Performance >How well should a 332AC perform. I brought home one today on spec from a local train show, owner claims it works well etc. >Havnt opened it as yet to do a "tune up". I believe the motor is pre pulmore etc. It runs smokes etc, and on its own gathers decent speed. Howeve once it gets a load, IE - 3 heavyweights - it slows and crawls around the curves, the tender lifts slitely and on occasion she stalls. What should one of these be capable of pulling or run like? You see advertising from the past of these "powerful" locomotives pulling cars uphill etc in the Flyer ads - but I wonder - since the motor in the 332AC doesnt look any different than in the 302AC. Id be interested in hearing how others have fared with the 332AC after tune up clean up etc, and if anyone has tips on making them work a little better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30931	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: My first 'steam' armature failure

Group, Just repaired a 293 with the most unusual symptoms. It would run so fast (on the bench) that you would have thought that I was putting 36 volts to it. After several seconds I would turn it off and find that the motor was very hot to the touch and that the brush springs had collapsed! I tried a known good armature in it with the same results. Tried the original armature with another field and it ran normally. The bad field was 1.0 ohms, the good one 1.1 ohms. Just when you think you've seen it all! Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30932	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] HUGS

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30933	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: 21130 re-visted!

Someone off the list told me that Ebay will waive the seller's fee, if an item is returned, as the seller of the 21130 I won in Feb. charged me $18 for his Ebay fee, which I told him was wrong of him, since he "grossly" re-represented the item. Ebay did sent me a message below, confirming the information I got from a nice person. I am now trying to find out, if he did get a waiver from Ebay, meaning he know of the policy from Ebay and profited $18 from me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "eBay Customer Support" <cswebhelp@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: Re: IV91004 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety Department (KMM12443026V11476L0KM) > Hello Mike, > > Thanks for writing back to us. My name is Henry, and I appreciate the > opportunity to assist you further with > your questions. > > I'm sorry to hear of the difficulties you've had with your seller. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30934	From: carltonlowry	Date: 4/26/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Is there a possibility I can get an e-mail address for Mr. Tufts? Please respond off list. Thank You, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30935	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update

Hi All, My Pennsy S Models website has been updated with a nice outdoor photo of the painted X29 REA pilot model. Please give it a look. Production of the REA version has begun. There are still a very few REA cars available it you want one. We have cancelled the NYC paint scheme because of insufficient orders. If you MUST have a NYC version please contact me. Lanes Trains may be able to help you with that. I am leaving for the Pennsy convention in Cincinnati on Thursday morning. Please stop by my table to see the pilot model and me. Dan and I will make a brief visit to the S Spring Spree, probably on Saturday before noon. Look for us there, as we will have the pilot model with us there as well. We do not have a table there. Dan and I would like to thank all of our customers for their extreme patience with us. You can expect future projects to be released at a much faster pace now that my builder understands what we expect and how to make S Scale. We are hoping to have something relating to the G26 at the NASG convention in July. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30936	From: johntech2004	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Pictures of my Baldwin 355C

Hi All Please check out some pictures of my version of the Baldwin 355C "C" for critter. They can be found under - photos - johntech2004 I still have more work to do on it, like filling in the scratches, sanding, painting, a motor, headlights, knuckle couplers and all the little details to finish it off. I hope to pick up all the needed parts while at the Spring S Spree in Columbus, Ohio this weekend. Let me know what you think so far. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30937	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Flickering 660

Greetings, As you may recall, the light in my 660 passenger car started to "flicker". Following suggestons from the group improved the preformance but wasn't a cure. Here is a solution that worked for me and may be of help to those in a similar circumstance. The axle holes in the sideframes on the leading truck had become enlarged. Looking for a "workbench" solution, I took some .005 brass sheet and cut some strips the width of the axle hole depth. These were formed around the barrel of a small screwdriver and trimmed to fit snugly into the axle holes. The "flicker is gone and, after about an hour of running time, the light is still constant. Best wishes to all! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30938	From: Tim	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Photo albums

Hi, I created a couple new photo albums (Album: Tim Brown) on the s-scale.org photo album site. Here is a link to it: http://s-scale.org/albums/album07 I uploaded a few more pics of my layout and all the rehab projects I've done this past year. Hopefully in the next couple days, I'll have my current project finished; the Gilbert Chemical Tanker. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30939	From: mkt1992	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Fwd: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment

--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "mkt1992" <greendiamond@m...> wrote: I have a customer who has a collection of old flyer equipment that rolls like lead filled sleds. He's not looking to maintain any collectability factor in his equipment. He just wants to be able to pull 8 or 10 cars on his layout with one locomotive. Are there any replacement trucks that are better than others? How about wheel set replacements? I am in DCC sales and installation, not S Scale equipment repair. I'm hoping you all have suggestions I can pass along. My customer is not an advanced modeler, so the equipment updating might just fall in my lap for him. I appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks. Michael Tyl Green Diamond Hobbies --- End forwarded message ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30940	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Turntable

A few more photos of my progress are at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50 (last 3 photos). Y'know? Once you get the guts to cut the hole in the table, it's all downhill (uphill?) after that! Dick Aurora, OH PS Barb - It snowed here today (but nothing stuck).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30941	From: jt12313	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Flyer shells wanted.

Hello all, Anyone out in S land have a spare Baldwin shell for a repaint project in addition to a broken up bay-window caboose shell I need a donor for a roof or two. Jeff Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30942	From: jt12313	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: New Flyer baldwin

I finally received my new Santa Fe Baldwin... My first impression "My, its a noisy little thing" and "boy, it really jumps into reverse (almost to the point of derailing)" Hey at least it can pull a string of my custom made car haulers. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30943	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: October York Meet

Does anyone have the dates for the October meet in York? The TCA website still has only April. Thanks. It pays to plan ahead ;<) Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30944	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Re: October York Meet

Oct. 15 and 16......... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] October York Meet > Does anyone have the dates for the October meet in York? The TCA website > still has only April. > Thanks. It pays to plan ahead ;<) > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30945	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 4/27/2004
Subject: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks

Hello group, I have an old 4 piece casting 302 Atlantic engine that I bought off of eBay a while back as a project engine. I had to completely rebuild it. Now when I it run it, it runs beautifully, pulls anything and everything that I put behind it, smokes up a storm and chuffs very loudly. My problem with this engine and also an old 312 that I have is that when I run either one of them on my SHS flex track they literally filthy up the rail. This happens after only 45 minutes or so before the arcing and sparking takes over and they eventually die on the road. The pickup wheels have repeatedly been cleaned and polished to a like new shine, the wipers are spotless, and the connections are fine, but after just 45 minutes they're filthy again as well as the track again. Sometimes it is so bad that I have to sand the track with 2000 grit sandpaper. I don't have this drastic a problem with my Northerns or Hudsons, and very seldom with SHS or AM's Diesels. Just a few of my AF 4 axle tender engines. Mostly these two in particular. Recently I bought a set of Don Thompson's new SHS tender trucks with the idea that I could replace the existing Flyer tender trucks on my Atlantic engine with Don's new product. SHS's new tender trucks offer all wheel electrical pickup with new Hi rail wheel sets and I want to use one of his modern couplers on the back of the tender when I try this. My question for my experiment is this, how would members of this group go about mounting these new trucks on an old engine tender. I am not concerned about originality or anything, as these were both junkers when I obtained them. I am only interested in making them run for hours on end the way most of my other Flyers do. I have been playing around by drilling and tapping northern rivets with bushings and trying to custom cut brass tubing stock. There has to be a better way than what I have come up with! Any suggestions, comments, ideas would be welcomed. Thank you Ernie Mennecke Wheaton, IL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30946	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks

Dear Ernest, I have read your e-mail with great interest. I think the only thing different from the early AC Gilbert engines and those made a bit later would be the composition of the insulated wheels on the tender trucks. Maybe one of our resident American Flyer experts can help here, but I know the early freight car bodies were made with a different plastic that was replaced in 1947 when the shells started to warp with time. The best example of this is the early tank car with the plastic frame. We have been told that all plastic wheels are a source of track grime as each time the wheel goes around a few atoms of the plastic comes off and is deposited on the wheel. As the conductivity of the rail decreases due to this insulation, the pickup wheels start to arc and generate even more grime. That is one reason why we use metal wheels. Re: Our Andrews Tender truck - This question was just on the S scale list. Walter Graeff of Ace Model Railroad Products had zamac bolsters made for several AF items. He sold his business to Russ Downs of Downs Model Railroad who sold his business to Manheim Machine and Tool in Lancaster, PA. I had heard he was sick and I did not see him at the last two Yorks. Ben Trousdale posted his web address in the last few days and it can be found in the S scale Yahoo group digest. Best regards, Don Ernest Mendecke wrote: >Hello group, > > I have an old 4 piece casting 302 Atlantic engine that I bought off of eBay a while back as a project engine. >I had to completely rebuild it. Now when I it run it, it runs beautifully, pulls anything and everything that I put behind it, smokes up a storm and chuffs very loudly. My problem with this engine and also an old 312 that I have is that when I run either one of them on my SHS flex track they literally filthy up the rail. This happens after only 45 minutes or so before the arcing and sparking takes over and they eventually die on the road. The pickup wheels have repeatedly been cleaned and polished to a like new shine, the wipers are spotless, and the connections are fine, but after just 45 minutes they're filthy again as well as the track again. Sometimes it is so bad that I have to sand the track with 2000 grit sandpaper. I don't have this drastic a problem with my Northerns or Hudsons, and very seldom with SHS or AM's Diesels. Just a few of my AF 4 axle tender engines. Mostly these two in particular. > > Recently I bought a set of Don Thompson's new SHS tender trucks with the idea that I could replace the existing Flyer tender trucks on my Atlantic engine with Don's new product. SHS's new tender trucks offer all wheel electrical pickup with new Hi rail wheel sets and I want to use one of his modern couplers on the back of the tender when I try this. > My question for my experiment is this, how would members of this group go about mounting these new trucks on an old engine tender. I am not concerned about originality or anything, as these were both junkers when I obtained them. I am only interested in making them run for hours on end the way most of my other Flyers do. >. > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30947	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks

Hi Ernie.......why not try making a new tender base out of metal or heavy styrene sheeting? Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Mendecke" <emennecke@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Questions about SHS Tender Trucks > Hello group, > > I have an old 4 piece casting 302 Atlantic engine that I bought off of eBay a while back as a project engine. > I had to completely rebuild it. Now when I it run it, it runs beautifully, pulls anything and everything that I put behind it, smokes up a storm and chuffs very loudly. My problem with this engine and also an old 312 that I have is that when I run either one of them on my SHS flex track they literally filthy up the rail. This happens after only 45 minutes or so before the arcing and sparking takes over and they eventually die on the road. The pickup wheels have repeatedly been cleaned and polished to a like new shine, the wipers are spotless, and the connections are fine, but after just 45 minutes they're filthy again as well as the track again. Sometimes it is so bad that I have to sand the track with 2000 grit sandpaper. I don't have this drastic a problem with my Northerns or Hudsons, and very seldom with SHS or AM's Diesels. Just a few of my AF 4 axle tender engines. Mostly these two in particular. > > Recently I bought a set of Don Thompson's new SHS tender trucks with the idea that I could replace the existing Flyer tender trucks on my Atlantic engine with Don's new product. SHS's new tender trucks offer all wheel electrical pickup with new Hi rail wheel sets and I want to use one of his modern couplers on the back of the tender when I try this. > My question for my experiment is this, how would members of this group go about mounting these new trucks on an old engine tender. I am not concerned about originality or anything, as these were both junkers when I obtained them. I am only interested in making them run for hours on end the way most of my other Flyers do. > I have been playing around by drilling and tapping northern rivets with bushings and trying to custom cut brass tubing stock. There has to be a better way than what I have come up with! Any suggestions, comments, ideas would be welcomed. > > Thank you > > Ernie Mennecke > Wheaton, IL. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30948	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks

SHS trucks should work fine for you. I have mounted SHS and AM trucks to AF cars by making a bolster of poplar stripwood as found at a hobby store that sells model airplane supplies. Something about 3/16" to 1/4" square or 3/16" x 1/4" should work. You can buy a piece of 1/16" x 1/4" to allow you to shim to the exact height you need in 1/16" increments. Epoxy this to the tender base and paint it black. Attach the trucks with small wood screws or drill through the wood and fasten with a small bolt and nut through the original truck mounting holes. Wires can pass independently through holes in the tender floor. Incidentally, not all Flyer wheels are created equal. Early ones were solid brass. Later ones were sintered brass which looked more "copper" colored. Do NOT use the action car or illuminated car steel colored metal wheels for power pickup. I have also seen some repro wheels that are a little coarse textured. Also, make sure your tender carries a little weight to help maintain positive contact. Compare the tender wheels from the sparking tender to those that don't spark- same texture? There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "Ernest Mendecke" <emennecke@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Questions about SHS Tender Trucks > Hi Ernie.......why not try making a new tender base out of metal or heavy > styrene sheeting? Al Kielek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Mendecke" <emennecke@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Questions about SHS Tender Trucks > > > > Hello group, > > > > I have an old 4 piece casting 302 Atlantic engine that I bought off of > eBay a while back as a project engine. > > I had to completely rebuild it. Now when I it run it, it runs beautifully, > pulls anything and everything that I put behind it, smokes up a storm and > chuffs very loudly. My problem with this engine and also an old 312 that I > have is that when I run either one of them on my SHS flex track they > literally filthy up the rail. This happens after only 45 minutes or so > before the arcing and sparking takes over and they eventually die on the > road. The pickup wheels have repeatedly been cleaned and polished to a like > new shine, the wipers are spotless, and the connections are fine, but after > just 45 minutes they're filthy again as well as the track again. Sometimes > it is so bad that I have to sand the track with 2000 grit sandpaper. I don't > have this drastic a problem with my Northerns or Hudsons, and very seldom > with SHS or AM's Diesels. Just a few of my AF 4 axle tender engines. Mostly > these two in particular. > > > > Recently I bought a set of Don Thompson's new SHS tender trucks with > the idea that I could replace the existing Flyer tender trucks on my > Atlantic engine with Don's new product. SHS's new tender trucks offer all > wheel electrical pickup with new Hi rail wheel sets and I want to use one of > his modern couplers on the back of the tender when I try this. > > My question for my experiment is this, how would members of this group > go about mounting these new trucks on an old engine tender. I am not > concerned about originality or anything, as these were both junkers when I > obtained them. I am only interested in making them run for hours on end the > way most of my other Flyers do. > > I have been playing around by drilling and tapping northern rivets > with bushings and trying to custom cut brass tubing stock. There has to be a > better way than what I have come up with! Any suggestions, comments, ideas > would be welcomed. > > > > Thank you > > > > Ernie Mennecke > > Wheaton, IL. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30949	From: Chris	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Next York

Next York will be Fri & Sat Oct. 15 & 16, 2004.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30950	From: Chris	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Future York Dates

FUTURE YORK MEET DATES October 15-16, 2004 April 29-30, 2005 October 14-15, 2005 April 21-22, 2006 October 20-21, 2006 April 20-21, 2007 October 19-20, 2007 April 18-19, 2008 October 17-18, 2008

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30951	From: uvl97222	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Prewar tool shed :)

Hi all, well it would seem that Prewar talking tool shed came up for bid, but not the same item we were all first talked about . I just wonder if it will go as high. I should say that there are two of them, but one is just parts by the same seller. This seller pulled it off then returned it with a new title. This seller is only a few miles from me too. Any way you all can look it up, and put a bid in if you want. I did the first time, but not now. Here is the # 3190424172 It will be up five more days. UVL97222 Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30952	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Desire new sideframes for AF geeps

Gentlemen: Richard hurled down the gauntlet on asking for what we want to see as new produces. I have one for American Flyer diesel trucks. (This will work on the Lionels too.) If you remove the two screws on the bottom of the diesel truck, the sideframe / coupler assembly comes off in your hand. It consists of a piece of sheet metal as the frame, two identical casings for the sideframes, a coupler (held on by a rivet) and often a slider attached to one of the sideframe castings. I would like to purchase at least four of these sideframe / coupler assemblies. But I want the sideframe casting to be SD-9 sideframes. The prototypes are three-motor trucks so all axels are powered. I have been running my geeps with PA-1 sideframes since the 1970s because the A-1-A sideframes look so much better on the long mechanism than the extremely stretched Blomburg B sideframes. There are a number of other sideframes that would also be correct under these diesels including the Alco trimount. I would happily purchase these three-motor trucks as well. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30953	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Future York Meets

For future reference; I keep the future York meets posted on my website on the "SHOWS" page. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30954	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2267

The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick At 09:20 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote: >Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:18:28 -0400 > From: "Charlie and Edith" <charlieandedith@...> >Subject: Flickering 660 > >Greetings, >As you may recall, the light in my 660 passenger car started to >"flicker". Following suggestons from the group improved the preformance >but wasn't a cure. Here is a solution that worked for me and may be of >help to those in a similar circumstance. The axle holes in the sideframes >on the leading truck had become enlarged. Looking for a "workbench" >solution, I took some .005 brass sheet and cut some strips the width of >the axle hole depth. These were formed around the barrel of a small >screwdriver and trimmed to fit snugly into the axle holes. The "flicker >is gone and, after about an hour of running time, the light is still >constant. Best wishes to >all! >Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30955	From: larryasp	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: 332AC Performance

First I would like to thank the group regarding my question about how well a 332 AC should perform. I got at least 10 replies, and most everyone confirmed the 332AC has a weak point, the original motor. It really cant handle much of a load. Its the same motor found in the lighter engines like the 302 etc. Most suggested replacing the motor with a CAN motor system. One suggestion offered by a local collector was to put in a larger flyer motor (if one could be found), such as the one found in the 336 - which might have been Flyer's answer in the end. Since the engine hasnt been through a decent clean up to the motor, eunit, brushes and gears etc., I will start by doing the clean up/tuneup first with the original motor. If the performance increase isnt great, then Ill put in a Can motor and an e unit - that worked quite well in 2 332s I have - one for slow speed, and one regular - although I had a hard time getting used to Flyer steamers running "slow speed" > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30956	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: Re: Questions about SHS Tender Trucks

Has anyone tried the new improved wheel sets offered to make American Flyer trucks roll better? Ernest Mendecke wrote: > Hello group, > > I have an old 4 piece casting 302 Atlantic engine that I bought off of eBay a while back as a project engine. > I had to completely rebuild it. Now when I it run it, it runs beautifully, pulls anything and everything that I put behind it, smokes up a storm and chuffs very loudly. My problem with this engine and also an old 312 that I have is that when I run either one of them on my SHS flex track they literally filthy up the rail. This happens after only 45 minutes or so before the arcing and sparking takes over and they eventually die on the road. The pickup wheels have repeatedly been cleaned and polished to a like new shine, the wipers are spotless, and the connections are fine, but after just 45 minutes they're filthy again as well as the track again. Sometimes it is so bad that I have to sand the track with 2000 grit sandpaper. I don't have this drastic a problem with my Northerns or Hudsons, and very seldom with SHS or AM's Diesels. Just a few of my AF 4 axle tender engines. Mostly these two in particular. > > Recently I bought a set of Don Thompson's new SHS tender trucks with the idea that I could replace the existing Flyer tender trucks on my Atlantic engine with Don's new product. SHS's new tender trucks offer all wheel electrical pickup with new Hi rail wheel sets and I want to use one of his modern couplers on the back of the tender when I try this. > My question for my experiment is this, how would members of this group go about mounting these new trucks on an old engine tender. I am not concerned about originality or anything, as these were both junkers when I obtained them. I am only interested in making them run for hours on end the way most of my other Flyers do. > I have been playing around by drilling and tapping northern rivets with bushings and trying to custom cut brass tubing stock. There has to be a better way than what I have come up with! Any suggestions, comments, ideas would be welcomed. > > Thank you > > Ernie Mennecke > Wheaton, IL. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30957	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2004
Subject: A few novice questions

I just got all of my track laid on my layout. All standard AF sectional track and switches. I put a LTI GP-9 on the track and ran it around a section of my layout. During a "S" curve section the Jeep wants to derail and does most times. Now this "S" curve is 2 curve sections back to back but with a ½ section of straight between them, so It's not a radical turn one way thenthe other. I tried another LTI GP and that one is ok, but won't go thru a particular right hand switch. It acts the same way......kinda stumbles going into the switch and derails. Could it be possible that the LTI wheelsets are out of gauge a tad? I took a 10" section of AF curved track and with the engine upside down ran the track thru the wheels. There does seem to be friction or tightness as I pass the track back and forth over the wheels. I checked the track sections on the layout and even replaced them with different sections. Eyeballing the laid track everything seems to be square and in order. Ditto the switch. Very frustrating to say the least. Any ideas folks? Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30958	From: polpolk9	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: prices

the post war American Flyer is going at a buyers market price. much more reasonable for the stuff to be at. this should advance its popularity and to u s-gaugers isn' Gilbert's Flyer the only MADE IN USA s-gauge product out there. the s-helper and the american modelks and the repro are made in China.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30959	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: October York Meet

York already!? Haven't recovered since the last York of two weeks ago! Don't you people have any other interest in life! Just kidding, don't fry me, as it is now BASEBALL season and trains take a back seat for now, as other outdoor interest kick in. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] October York Meet > Oct. 15 and 16......... Bob RCON7 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] October York Meet > > > > Does anyone have the dates for the October meet in York? The TCA website > > still has only April. > > Thanks. It pays to plan ahead ;<) > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30960	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: prices

American Flyer is now made in the same factories in China as SHS, AM, and SSA. Some American Models items are still produced here as well as the first 10 years of production. A few of our items are made here, coal loads, decals, the new #6 switches for code 110 wheels and roadbed come to mind. Not all Gilbert American Flyer was made in the US of A, Some track was also produced in Japan. Don polpolk9 wrote: >the post war American Flyer is going at a buyers market price. much >more reasonable for the stuff to be at. this should advance its >popularity and to u s-gaugers isn' Gilbert's Flyer the only MADE IN >USA s-gauge product out there. the s-helper and the american >modelks and the repro are made in China. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30961	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Truck bushings

On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick >>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass bushings for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron frames. The cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, which would have had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I bought a whole mess of the bushings, only to discover their round shape wasn't designed for the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30962	From: Tim	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings

I use them in the 6XX series passenger cars. I drilled the hole out just a little to accept them. They work nice and keep the sideframe from shorting out on switches, crossings, etc. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN EICHMANN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Truck bushings On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick >>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass bushings for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron frames. The cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, which would have had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I bought a whole mess of the bushings, only to discover their round shape wasn't designed for the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30963	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: York Photos

Hi All, I have uploaded a dozen photos from York. They can be found in my photo album (page 2) at : http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/ablums/albuo54 Enjoy ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30964	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos

Hi Barb - Slight typo in the address. The correct one is http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo54 What a motley looking crew! No wonder they're S gaugers ;<) Dick Aurora, OH 04:37 PM 4/29/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >I have uploaded a dozen photos from York. They >can be found in my photo album (page 2) at : > > > >Enjoy ...Barb > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30965	From: Tim	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos

Hi, Nice pics of "Our Gang" at York, Barb! Sorry I wasn't available to join in on a group shot. After you're all done browsing Barb's most excellent albums, I'd like to invite everyone to take a look at the "Gilbert Chemical Tanker" I re-created out of an old 925 Gulf. It's in my folder for My Rehab Projects. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Rudnicki To: S-Trains Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York Photos Hi All, I have uploaded a dozen photos from York. They can be found in my photo album (page 2) at : http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/ablums/albuo54 Enjoy ...Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30966	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: URL update

Hi All, Mia Culpa, Mia Culpa I spelled albums incorrectly. Try this: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo54 Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30967	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: York Photos

http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo54 ***(((What a motley looking crew! No wonder they're S gaugers ;<)))))**** What a group!!! Hope they had enough Security people there!!! Just kiddin'! I'm just jealous!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30968	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: [MoPac_Modeling] Are you interested in FreeMo?

Thought I'd pass this on to my S friends Chris Thies <chris_thies@...> wrote:Hey folks, If you have ever heard of FreeMo and you like modeling Midwest railroads (oh, say like the MP or Frisco) and you live in a 100-200mi radius around St. Louis, then you might want to consider building a FreeMo module. A FreeMo group called the Gateway Society of Model Railroad Engineers has started in the StL area to pursue modeling of Midwest scenes and prototypes. This is not a club � no dues or politics, just a group of Midwest modelers that want to use the FreeMo modular specs to have fun and model their favorite scenes and prototypes. You can check out the FreeMo system at www.free-mo.org. There is a Yahoo Group, much like this one, devoted to FreeMo at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free-mo/. Plus, the Gateway Society of Model Railroad Engineers (GSMRE) just created their own Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsmre/. If any one has any questions, don�t hesitate to ask either here or off list. Chris Thies chris_thies@... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ List Owner Tom Stolte - mopac@... List Moderator Jim Ogden - sjogden@... Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30969	From: trombonelover1	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.

I urge every member to vote. Perhaps, if there are enough interested people, we could get a manufacturer to build one or two of the prototypes. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30970	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/29/2004
Subject: Re: TRAIN SET

I just got a flyer set..... It comes in the B1N909 set box..... inside you find the trains.... 307, 931, 923, 938, and tranny.... all near new.. In their own set box B1N639... No other info.... Outer box also has IEE printed just below the label... shipping stamp "PHILCO DIST, INC" Chicago, Il.... also written on the box in pen is Mod Train 307, No 128, American Flyer No 74 and ?.c No 74 trestle set..... What set is it???? what else goes in it? Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30971	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Test Message - Please ignore

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 30972	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Future York Dates

What about April of 2009, as you need to plan ahead! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <busyboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Future York Dates > FUTURE YORK MEET DATES > October 15-16, 2004 > April 29-30, 2005 > October 14-15, 2005 > April 21-22, 2006 > October 20-21, 2006 > April 20-21, 2007 > October 19-20, 2007 > April 18-19, 2008 > October 17-18, 2008 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30973	From: xitter1224	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings

What are these eyelets or bushings and what do they cost? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > I use them in the 6XX series passenger cars. I drilled the hole out just a little to accept them. They work nice and keep the sideframe from shorting out on switches, crossings, etc. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOHN EICHMANN > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Truck bushings > > > On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: > The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. > Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick > >>> > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass bushings for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron frames. The cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, which would have had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I bought a whole mess of the bushings, only to discover their round shape wasn't designed for the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. > > Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? > > YourS, > John Eichmann > RMHR > Boise > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30974	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Ace Bushings

xitter1224 wrote: <Subject: Re: Truck bushings < <What are these eyelets or bushings and what do they <cost? < <--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> <wrote: < I use them in the 6XX series passenger cars. I <drilled the hole out just a little to accept them. <They work nice and keep the sideframe from shorting <out on switches, crossings, etc. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOHN EICHMANN > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Truck bushings > > > On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: > The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. > Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick > >>> These bushings are my JTR-233a (20 for $1.00) or JTR-233b (100 for $3.00) plus S&H. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30975	From: Tim	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Truck bushings

I believe I bought them from Joe and I think they were called passenger car bushings They are made of brass, I would guess. I want to make sure we are talking about the same series of passenger cars. I used them on my 66X aluminium streamlined passenger cars. They won't work on the 65X New Havens. As I mentioned, I drilled out the elongated holes just enough to insert the bushings. You don't want to press or squeeze them in or they will deform. I didn't use any cement because I thought it wouldn't stick with all the grease in the axel holes and I didn't want any to find it's way in-between the axel and bushing. I figured the bushings wouldn't go anywhere anyway once I squeezed the truck sideframes back and if they wanted to rotate with the axel, I didn't care. They stopped the sideframes from arcing to the track due to elongated holes. How long the bushings will last is anybody's guess, but the way I installed them will make eventual replacement by someone easy. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: xitter1224 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Truck bushings What are these eyelets or bushings and what do they cost? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > I use them in the 6XX series passenger cars. I drilled the hole out just a little to accept them. They work nice and keep the sideframe from shorting out on switches, crossings, etc. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOHN EICHMANN > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Truck bushings > > > On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: > The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. > Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick > >>> > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass bushings for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron frames. The cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, which would have had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I bought a whole mess of the bushings, only to discover their round shape wasn't designed for the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. > > Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? > > YourS, > John Eichmann > RMHR > Boise > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30976	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: How big is OO gauge

On April 12 someone asked how big OO is because Hornby of England sells a live steam loco in that size. OO uses 3/4 of an inch for track gauge. How do I know? Someone's Uncle passed away who was in OO. He didn't have a layout. My father had (still has) an extensive On3 layout. On3 uses 3/4 of an inch gauge so the OO ran just fine. They had some locos and cars. But I expect I lit up when the GG1 was pulled out. Even then I was a rabid electric buff. I already wanted a GG1 to run with my American Flyer and there it was: abet OO. I still remember it scooting (it ran fast!) down the line past C-16s, K-36s, and narrow gauge freight cars. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30977	From: Gregg	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re: Future York Meets

I heard a rumor at York that the Eastern Div discussed at their meeting about adding another day to the show. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Gregg Mummert PS - Did anyone else lose the daily digest from the email list? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Preman <amerflyer@y...> wrote: > For future reference; I keep the future York meets posted on my website on the "SHOWS" page. Mark > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30978	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: brass bushings

John, I reamed out the oblong hole on the 600 series trucks with a bit in a pin vise--I think it was 1/8". No problems, I remember the bit centered itself and it took only a couple of twists. Rollability was improved a bit. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30979	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Upcoming Seattle Events ...

I dont know where the posting went ..BUT I cant find it ..So would the party that posted the NASG and the other event happening in Seattle & Tacoma area this July PLEASE POST IT AGAIN or send it to me ...Thanx ...GOTTA PLAN AHEAD ......eh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30980	From: aglorince	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: am loco clearance

i have the following pieces available at about 25% off list. am specials model road road no. drive fp7 prr tuscan 9836 scale fp7 prr tuscan 9834 scale fp7 prr green 9866 scale fp7 prr green 9863 scale fp7 up 1498 dc hirail fp7 up 1499 dc hirail fp7 gn none scale fp7 bn 724 scale gp9 nyc 5918 scale gp9 nh 1204 scale gp9 cr 7285 scale gp9 cr 7280 scale gp9 sf 715 scale gp9 up 340 scale fa2 prr dummy fa2 gn 279a dc hirail fb2 gn none dc hirail fb2 cn 4470 ac hirail contact direct for details aglorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30981	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Truck bushings Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2269

These work in the cast frames of the 660 series and 960 series which are essentially the same truck except for the coupler. They also improve the Hudson / Northern / 644-944 Crane trucks. You may need to turn a drill bit in some of them if the hole is a little snug. (This is also the case with some of the repro KC freight trucks.) I have found that the link trucks roll well if they are just cleaned and oiled. I've gone through about 1500 or so of these bushings making cars roll better and improving power pickup. - Nick At 09:32 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote: >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:04:58 -0600 > From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> >Subject: Truck bushings > >On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: >The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work well for >this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. >Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so >off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick > >>> > >Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass bushings >for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron frames. The >cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, which would have >had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I bought a whole mess >of the bushings, only to discover their round shape wasn't designed for >the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. > >Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? > >YourS, >John Eichmann >RMHR >Boise > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30982	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Truck bushings Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2269

Russ Downs (DMR) used to sell them 16 / $1.00. I bought 1000 at a time (twice). Their part number was 4050. I do not remember the price for bulk. - Nick For your information the folks who now own Downs Model Railroad's line are Manhiem Machine & Tool Co. INC. 139 Nevin Street Lancaster, Pa. 17603 717 295-4966 Operated by Marlin & Judith Becker. At 09:32 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote: >Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:51:06 -0000 > From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> >Subject: Re: Truck bushings > >What are these eyelets or bushings and what do they cost? > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > > I use them in the 6XX series passenger cars. I drilled the hole >out just a little to accept them. They work nice and keep the >sideframe from shorting out on switches, crossings, etc. > > > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JOHN EICHMANN > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Truck bushings > > > > > > On April 28, Nick Colleran wrote: > > The brass bushings (eyelets) that Russ Downs used to sell work >well for this and also make the knuckle trucks really roll. > > Joe's Train Repair sells them. I'm a low effort kind of guys so >off-the-shelf appeals to me. - Nick > > >>> > > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks, but I believe these brass >bushings for Flyer trucks only fit into the series 900 sintered-iron >frames. The cure that Charlie wrote about was for a 660 passenger, >which would have had sheet-metal truck frames. When I was a newbie, I >bought a whole mess of the bushings, only to discover their round >shape wasn't designed for the oval holes in sheet-metal trucks. > > > > Joe, you sell them * what's your advice? > > > > YourS, > > John Eichmann > > RMHR > > Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 2, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30984	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Re OO gauge

American OO gauge is somewhere around 1/72 or 1/76. Lionel made some in the 30's,i saw some on tables at York,nice stuff. British OO/HO is a whole 'nother story.I have some Hornby HO/OO cars that were given to me,need to get them out and see what gauge track they run on. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30985	From: Karl Raab	Date: 4/30/2004
Subject: Manufacturers List

Recently on a couple of the various group websites a discussion has gone on about a Model railroad manufacturers list. The following website has great links to some of our "S" favorite companies...S-helper's Showcaseline...American Models,...etc. http://www.tmrci.com/links/linksmanuf.html You might find it interesting and informative. Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30986	From: xitter1224	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.

I don't think manufactures are interested in building prototypes. Manufactures are interested in production runs of enough product to cover their costs and make a profit. From what I've seen of the "S" market, no manufacturer in his right mind would enter into it. There are far to few buyers, and far to many talkers. I'll leave out the complainers and the, cheapo's. American Models and S Helper Service, make some nice products, but they don't appeal to a broard audience. A thousand or so modelers does not make a market base, unless they were willing to spend, spend spend. I don't see enough support for any of the manufactures. What I have seen makes me think of old men in rocking chairs complaining about what the world should be like. What I have heard is bad mouthing this one and that and a lot finger pointing. And let's not forget those shipping charges! This is much to small a market the look any gift horse in the mouth. It all looks like divide and distroy, rather than advancing as a group. The only way to grow "S" and get new manufacturing is to work together. Stop the wishful thinking and support all the manufacturers to the extent you can. Then maybe their growth will attract others. That's how I see it. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@y...> wrote: > I urge every member to vote. Perhaps, if there are enough interested > people, we could get a manufacturer to build one or two of the > prototypes. > > Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30987	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: NASG Freight car database -- call for volunteers

Hi all- Michael Greene and I have been working on an experimental NASG freight car database. Please see http://www.nasg.org/test/database.php to try it out. The goal of this project is to catalog all freight cars either formerly available or currently in production that are or have been offered by any active or defunct S scale manufacturer. In short, a cummulative database of all S scale freight cars. The database was seeded with some info from SHS (courtesy of Don T.) and from River Raisin but we could use a bit of help from all of you to confirm the data we have so far and to help fill in missing data (road names, numbers and reporting marks). Here's how you can help build this database. For each entry, there is a indicator of whether or not the data has been confirmed -- that is, checked against the actual model. Use the road name option to select your favorite road and compare the data we have or don't have against the freight cars you have in hand. Either add this data to the Excel template file, available on the NASG database webpage, or email us the corrections. You could also print out the database listing, make the corrections, and mail it to me. Anyway you can get us the corrected data is fine. Just be sure to indicate which Record ID number needs correcting. Or, you can opt to select a specific car type and try to add/correct as many records as you can. It will be very helpful if you can include a manufacturer's product ID in your submissions to the database. That way, if we get conflicting info from someone else, we can try to sort things out using product ID as a means to identify unique or distinct freight cars especially with respect to road numbers. If there is an interest in this project, we will try to expand the catalog. We'll move on to include other manufacturers' freight cars(e.g., American Models, RSSVP, BTS, Crown, DPH/S Scale America, etc.), and also to other types of products. If you have an extensive collection of rolling stock from a specific manufacturer and you are willing to input some data into a spreadsheet, forward your file to us and the data can be dumped into this database rather easily. If you are an S scale manufacturer and can send us a list of all the items of a given type that you have produced (or even some of them), then we can easily extend the catalog. Freight cars are only a starting point; we hope to include locomotive data as well. Lastly, Michael and I consider this a very flexible project. If there is data that you would like to see added or fields added to records that we hadn't thought to add, let us know. If you want to be able to search by such-and-such, let us know. As they say, "many hands make light work" so with a bit of help from all of you, this project can succeed. Thanks. Stan Furmanak & Michael Greene Stan Furmanak POB 32 Annville, PA 17003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30988	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Thorin: If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30989	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Flyer Fest West

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Flyer Fest West Date: Saturday, May 15, 2004 Time: 10:00AM - 4:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) The 5th Annual Flyer Fest West will be held in Danville, Ca. hosted by the Golden Gate AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30990	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West

In a message dated 05/01/2004 11:04:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Flyer Fest West Date: Saturday, May 15, 2004 Time: 10:00AM - 4:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) The 5th Annual Flyer Fest West will be held in Danville, Ca...........??? hosted by the Golden Gate AF Club My registration form has it in San Ramon Ca. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30991	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West

Flyer Fest West Meet, May 15th & 16th 2004 The meet will be at: Pine Valley Middle School 3000 Pine Valley Road San Ramon, Ca Schedule of Events: Saturday, May 15th 2004 9:30 - 11am, seller registration and table setups. 10:30 - 11am, open Registration and Model Contest entry check in. 11am, Meet opens 1pm, Clinic, Converting Flyer Loco's to Can Motor operation 1:30pm, Clinic, Cleaning Flyer Track 2pm, Clinic, Repairing Flyer Smoke units 2:30pm, Train Races and Hill Climb 3:30 pm, Door and Raffle prizes, Award presentations, Tear Down 4pm, "Catered" Buffet Sunday, May 16th 2004 Noon - 3pm, Layout Tours, self guided Dave Butterfield's 'S' Hi-Rail, featuring many kitbashed loco's Mark Boyd's 'O' Gauge layout Lee Johnson's 'S' Scale layout For more information Contact: Jake Jacobsen 1-510-524-4232 email: nut4aftrains@... -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:03 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Flyer Fest West We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Flyer Fest West Date: Saturday, May 15, 2004 Time: 10:00AM - 4:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) The 5th Annual Flyer Fest West will be held in Danville, Ca. hosted by the Golden Gate AF Club S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30992	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy

Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked me to tell the list that he still has a source for thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a very nice S gauge locomotive. Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him to buy and convert the loco. If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30993	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.

Hey Bruce! Ouch! But I do believe you might have a point. I myself, up until now, have been totally post war AF. My experience with most "S" gaugers I have run into are pretty tight with their penny's. They have lots of disposable income(lot more than me anyways!), but complain bitterly about the "cost" of any new "S" products. All the Lionel guys, on the other hand, have their wallets open, buying up new products, left right and centre! I do not know why it appears like this, but looking at our local store(Trains and such) they have a pretty good selection of AF and LTI Flyer on hand, but it mostly sits there on the shelf. Prices can be an issue, however, having just come back from the spring "York" meet. I have to say that the prices here back at home are looking pretty good. I have jumped from being a "purist", to ordering a new LTI AF 2-8-2. If it gets produced, I WANT ONE for sure!. The pre-production engine I saw was incredible! Lionel has raised the bar for new AF, by producing a locomotive that will be at par with any of its top of the line"O"gauge rolling stock. It will certainly be a far cry from the usual "old" dies sporting a new paint job. I feel that if we do not open our wallets, for some of the (superior?) new products, and show our support, "S"gauge will never be able to grow. People need to see this stuff run at shows. That is what will get people to get into "S". The new K-Line cars, S helper service and others need us to buy their products in order to inject some interest in our hobby. Sorry, but looking at a catalog will not result in people ordering a new "S" gauge set, they have got to SEE IT RUN! Thru my eyes, that's the way I see it. Post war AF will always be there, but in order for people to get their first train set, we need to show people we believe in the new products too. WHEW!!! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "xitter1224" <xitter1224@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls. > I don't think manufactures are interested in building prototypes. > > Manufactures are interested in production runs of enough product to > cover their costs and make a profit. From what I've seen of the "S" > market, no manufacturer in his right mind would enter into it. > > There are far to few buyers, and far to many talkers. I'll leave out > the complainers and the, cheapo's. > > American Models and S Helper Service, make some nice products, but > they don't appeal to a broard audience. A thousand or so modelers > does not make a market base, unless they were willing to spend, spend > spend. > > I don't see enough support for any of the manufactures. What I have > seen makes me think of old men in rocking chairs complaining about > what the world should be like. > > What I have heard is bad mouthing this one and that and a lot finger > pointing. And let's not forget those shipping charges! > > This is much to small a market the look any gift horse in the mouth. > > It all looks like divide and distroy, rather than advancing as a > group. > > The only way to grow "S" and get new manufacturing is to work > together. Stop the wishful thinking and support all the manufacturers > to the extent you can. Then maybe their growth will attract others. > > That's how I see it. > > Bruce > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trombonelover1" > <trombonelover1@y...> wrote: > > I urge every member to vote. Perhaps, if there are enough > interested > > people, we could get a manufacturer to build one or two of the > > prototypes. > > > > Jack > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30994	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: Puget Sound Events

Message: 6 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:22:55 -0000 From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Subject: Upcoming Seattle Events ... I dont know where the posting went ..BUT I cant find it ..So would the party that posted the NASG and the other event happening in Seattle & Tacoma area this July PLEASE POST IT AGAIN or send it to me ...Thanx ...GOTTA PLAN AHEAD ......eh >>> Ed - here is an update of the original posting from March 3: The first will be the National Train Show, sponsored by the National Model Railroad Association (NMRA). It will be held at the tail-end of the NMRA National Convention in Seattle. - Dates are Friday, July 9, through Sunday, July 11, 2004. - Location is the Stadium Exhibition Center in downtown Seattle, right between the Seahawks' Stadium and the Mariners' ballfield. - Over 35,000 square feet will be devoted to layouts, in addition to all the booths. Of interest to this list will be the award-winning S layout, "Lookout Junction," of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Idaho. In addition, Lee Johnson will be bringing the Bay Area S Scalers' layout. Don Thompson from S Helper Service will have several booths, as will Billy Wade from BTS, and S-'n-S Trains will be there, too. I believe there may be some other S vendors as well. Please join us! The second show will be the NASG Western Region Convention in Tacoma, July 10-14, 2004. As I understand it, the Inland Empire S Gauge Association of the Pacific Northwest (Spokane-based) will be displaying their layout, along with the Northwest S Scalers from Oregon. Read the Dispatch or go to the NASG website for more info. One way or another, there will be lots of S action in the Puget Sound area this July! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise John H. Eichmann Central Services Division Manager City of Boise P.O. Box 500 Boise, ID 83701-0500 (208) 384-3745 jeichmann@... www.cityofboise.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30995	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Manufacturers List

Hi Karl Here's another great S Manufacturers website. http://www.s-scaletrains.com/sbuyer/index.html John At 23:41 4/30/2004, Karl Raab wrote: >Recently on a couple of the various group websites a discussion has >gone on about a Model railroad manufacturers list. > >The following website has great links to some of our "S" favorite >companies...S-helper's Showcaseline...American Models,...etc. > >http://www.tmrci.com/links/linksmanuf.html > >You might find it interesting and informative. >Karl > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30996	From: Tim	Date: 5/1/2004
Subject: That's Meeeeee!

I'm a "cheapo"! As Jim Morrison said, "Proud to be a part of this number"! I've been called worse by better people in better places! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30997	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: The Diesel and Steam Locomotive polls.

By Prototypes, I mean a production run of one or two of the suggested locos. I personally would suggest the USRA Light 4-8-2. The 4-8-2 wheel arrangement was one of the most popular in the US, with more than 2,000 built. The USRA versions, particularly the Light, were used on multiple roads. It is not unlike the existing American Models USRA Heavy Pacific- Minor details are what varied between the different roads. With just one major development project yu could get a lot of milage out of it. The various USRA types are probably the best candidates for mass production.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30998	From: nasglibrary	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Mobley Library back on line

All -- After a nice 37-day vacation, the NASG's Mobley Library is back in business as of Monday May 3. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 30999	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked > me to tell the list that he still has a source for > thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process > for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a > very nice S gauge locomotive. > > Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him > to buy and convert the loco. > > If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive > Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call > him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. > > Joe Has anyone ever seen one of Ballston's conversions of the K-Line Big Boy? I'm interested in one, but I wouldn't buy one sight unseen. Any opinions on this conversion would be appreciated. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31000	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy

If it the same guy that I saw in York last Oct. they are extremely nice.... My only problem I had with buying one then was he told me it was 1/58 th scale not 1/61 which makes it approx half way between "S" and "O"... 1/57 ( Yes I am ignoring all decimals and I am rounding it off)... So side by side with a Hudson or Challenger they look bigger.... Run alone they look great... I am thinking of getting one yet.... Just display it separate.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> > wrote: > > Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked > > me to tell the list that he still has a source for > > thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process > > for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a > > very nice S gauge locomotive. > > > > Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him > > to buy and convert the loco. > > > > If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive > > Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call > > him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. > > > > Joe > > > > Has anyone ever seen one of Ballston's conversions of the K-Line Big > Boy? I'm interested in one, but I wouldn't buy one sight unseen. > Any opinions on this conversion would be appreciated. > > Scott > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31001	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 2, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31002	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: 04 S-Spree

Hi Folks The Central Ohio S Gaugers have done their usual excellent job hosting the S-Spree. Everything seemed to go smoothly and was a lot of fun. Congratulations guys and thanks. Des Plaines Hobbies, YES an X29 in plastic, USRA Gons and Evans Boxcars. Cray Gray, was their promoting their new venture in S Steam 0-6-0 and bridges. Tomalco was promoting his flex track and new turnouts, They looked great. Contact Larry at lmorton@... for more info. Custom Trax was also their with their turnouts and flex track. You can get them mounted on roadbed and ballast or not. Also you can get them with a built in ground throw. You can power the turnouts as the ground throw will operate regardless or throw them manually Click here http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id8.html to see photos of Des Plaines and Cray Grays Products John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31003	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Columbus

I just got back from my first "S-Fest", held in Columbus, OH this weekend. Wow, what a change from Greenberg, etc. It was a delightful event, wonderful layouts, extremely knowledgeable dealers, all the flyer a man could want and them some. Even got to meet Doug Peck face-to-face!! Anyway, next time one rolls around, do your best to get there. Guaranteed to be worth it. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31004	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Columbus

I just got back from my first "S-Fest", held in Columbus, OH this weekend. Wow, what a change from Greenberg, etc. It was a delightful event, wonderful layouts, extremely knowledgeable dealers, all the flyer a man could want and them some. Even got to meet Doug Peck face-to-face!! Anyway, next time one rolls around, do your best to get there. Guaranteed to be worth it. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31005	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] 04 S-Spree

List: Looking forward to the boxcars also--they've got to be good with a name like Evans! Also registered for the NASG Convention when I ordered the cars. Beat the May 1 deadline too! - Alan Evans Alex Binkley wrote: > Hey John: > those of us who couldn't go to the S Spree sure appreciate your report. I'm >looking for ward to the Evans boxcars. > cheers > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31006	From: David Avedesian	Date: 5/2/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy

Scott: I have seen the conversion and have purchased an engine. The work is very nice and the engine is beautiful. The engine will go around AF curves. Because we are a minor gauge and the engine will work on AF track, I often jump on these offering when they are available. They tend not to show again without going on EBAY/the secondary market. David -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs [mailto:sgriggs@...] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked > me to tell the list that he still has a source for > thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process > for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a > very nice S gauge locomotive. > > Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him > to buy and convert the loco. > > If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive > Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call > him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. > > Joe Has anyone ever seen one of Ballston's conversions of the K-Line Big Boy? I'm interested in one, but I wouldn't buy one sight unseen. Any opinions on this conversion would be appreciated. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31007	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment

Michael-- One of the simplest improvements he can make which will greatly improve "rollability" is to replace the original AF wheelsets with the new S-Helper Service wheelsets for AF trucks. These are all-metal insulated wheels mounted on pointed axles the proper length for use in the original AF trucks. No modifications are required. Simple replacement, improved rolling, and they will stay cleaner than the original plastic wheels. We have them in stock, or you can order direct from SHS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- ________________________________________ I have a customer who has a collection of old flyer equipment that rolls like lead filled sleds. He's not looking to maintain any collectability factor in his equipment. He just wants to be able to pull 8 or 10 cars on his layout with one locomotive. Are there any replacement trucks that are better than others? How about wheel set replacements? Michael Tyl Green Diamond Hobbies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31008	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Mini Structures

Hi All, Seeing the Mini Structures kits on Ebay reminds me of the summer of 1975 when I begged and pleaded to get their biggest turntable kit for my thirteenth birthday for my American Flyer layout. I subscribed to both S Gaugian and S Gauge Herald back then and saw it in one of them. Anyway, I think it was a UP prototype. If I remember correctly it was $35.00, which was a Kings ransom for my father to spend on me. I had to plead for a dime for the Juke Box when at the traditional lunch stop on the way to the shore at the start of our summer vacation. The anticipation of its arrival was pure agony. When it finally arrived I was at my Grandmom's house at the shore in Wildwood NJ. Pop called to tell me it arrived. I had delusions of grandeur that I was going to have it installed in no time flat. I asked him to come get me right away. When he mentioned that it was shipped in a box the size of a large shoebox I knew I was in trouble. I will admit making the kit was pretty labor intensive for Hansel Main, and the parts were very well marked and organized. Pop and I worked on it pretty steadily to get it to its current state of about 75% complete. His heart was not in the project leaving me to do the installation at a reasonably capable but hesitant 13 years old. So it has yet to be installed on a layout and still has American Flyer rails on it. That will change eventually. There was talk of getting the roundhouse too, but that never happened. I guess he did not want another project like that again. I am just curious about the history of Mini Structures. How many kits did he make? How long has it around? Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The REA version has been approved for production http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31009	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 S Spree

It seems like every year of the S scale calendar, May begins with a trip to Ohio and we set up at the S Spree. This past weekend saw Mike and I at a Holiday Inn east of Columbus. The traveling weather was good as the S Helper Isuzu box van made good time as the trip took only 10 hours. Thursday saw temperatures in the 80's and this past dismal winter was just a distant memory. Lots of neat things to see and as John Foley had mentioned, Ron Sebastian seemed to have the most surprises with several painted samples of his USRA Gondola (NYC, PRR, B&M come to mind). The completed Evans boxcar was also nice to see. I am happy to report that Ron expects delivery of all of his 50' boxcars this year. This is a welcomed addition to his Husky Stacks for those who model today. The off again, on again X-29 is also coming along with the flat end and one side completed. This car will come in several versions with two ends, three doors and several sides to be tooled. I am hoping Ron considers adding the standing seam roof to the tooling list with the original flat riveted PRR roof. For us, the show introduced our new 01295 assembled KD style coupler. We also had a few single and 5 car sets of ore cars FedExed in to us for the show. We expect the balance to be shipped in 2 weeks (fingers crossed). We demonstrated the engineering sample of the NW-2 switchers with AC/DC LocoMatic Sound and had some very nice comments. Once people heard the quality and volume of sound coming out of our little switcher, the next question was can our previous SW-9s be retro fitted with the new sound system. I regret to report that we had to have the body and frame tooling extensively modified for the speaker and sound pcb installation and upgrading our earlier switchers will not be possible without many, many hours of work. Also featured with the NW-2 is operating cab lights. We did miss seeing our friends at River Raisin, Bill Train Shop and American Models who usually attend. But, we were most happy to see and talk with Jerry Rivet of RSSVP Models. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31010	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Dear Bill: If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. Thorin _____ From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: thorin.marty@... Subject: (no subject) Thorin: If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31011	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Hi Thorin: Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" when you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now retired from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need calipers, or precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty has to be given with each measurement, thus even those measurements made with precision tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you should say that 3/4 of an inch is the measurement that I get with a handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the term exact doesn't come into play, and one doesn't get into these discussions. On the other hand, if both wheel sets run equally well on a track, then probably the measurement is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places one gets). regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Bill: > If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, >PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The >track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge >for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an >inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. > >Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. >Thorin > > _____ > >From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Cc: thorin.marty@... >Subject: (no subject) > > >Thorin: > If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on >the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31012	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Dear Rance: Sorry if you got confused. On3 uses a gauge of exactly 0.750000000000000000000 inches between the rail. OO runs on it too. NASG has determined S Gauge to be just a little more than 7/8 of an inch which is why I wanted a cruder measuring tool. (A quick web search at www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org> did not yield the exact dimension.) Thorin _____ From: The Velapoldis [mailto:velapoldi@...] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:44 AM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) Hi Thorin: Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" when you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now retired from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need calipers, or precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty has to be given with each measurement, thus even those measurements made with precision tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you should say that 3/4 of an inch is the measurement that I get with a handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the term exact doesn't come into play, and one doesn't get into these discussions. On the other hand, if both wheel sets run equally well on a track, then probably the measurement is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places one gets). regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Marty.Thorin wrote: Dear Bill: If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. Thorin _____ From: WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> [mailto:WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> ] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: thorin.marty@... <mailto:thorin.marty@...> Subject: (no subject) Thorin: If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31013	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Dear Thorin, The track gauge min. for the NASG is 0.883 which is the prototype 4' 8.5" Don Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Rance: > Sorry if you got confused. On3 uses a gauge of exactly >0.750000000000000000000 inches between the rail. OO runs on it too. > >NASG has determined S Gauge to be just a little more than 7/8 of an inch >which is why I wanted a cruder measuring tool. (A quick web search at >www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org> did not yield the exact dimension.) > >Thorin > > _____ > >From: The Velapoldis [mailto:velapoldi@...] >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:44 AM >To: Marty.Thorin >Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) > > >Hi Thorin: >Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" when >you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now retired >from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need calipers, or >precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty has to be given >with each measurement, thus even those measurements made with precision >tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you should say that 3/4 of an >inch is the measurement that I get with a handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the >term exact doesn't come into play, and one doesn't get into these >discussions. On the other hand, if both wheel sets run equally well on a >track, then probably the measurement is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 >of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever >measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places one >gets). >regards, >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >Marty.Thorin wrote: > >Dear Bill: > > If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, > >PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The > >track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge > >for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an > >inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. > > > >Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. > >Thorin > > > > _____ > > > >From: WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> [mailto:WEG138@... ><mailto:WEG138@...> ] > >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: thorin.marty@... <mailto:thorin.marty@...> > >Subject: (no subject) > > > > > >Thorin: > > If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on > >the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! > > > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31014	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Thanks, Don. I knew that 7/8 of an inch is 0.875 which is the old NMRA value. I knew NASG was a little wider. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Donald Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:04 PM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: The Velapoldis; WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) Dear Thorin, The track gauge min. for the NASG is 0.883 which is the prototype 4' 8.5" Don Marty.Thorin wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31015	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

See: http://www.nasg.org/standards_S3.html Regards Michael At 12:35 PM 5/3/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Rance: > Sorry if you got confused. On3 uses a gauge of exactly >0.750000000000000000000 inches between the rail. OO runs on it too. > >NASG has determined S Gauge to be just a little more than 7/8 of an inch >which is why I wanted a cruder measuring tool. (A quick web search at >www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org> did not yield the exact dimension.) > >Thorin > > _____ > >From: The Velapoldis [mailto:velapoldi@...] >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:44 AM >To: Marty.Thorin >Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) > > >Hi Thorin: >Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" when >you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now retired >from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need calipers, or >precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty has to be given >with each measurement, thus even those measurements made with precision >tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you should say that 3/4 of an >inch is the measurement that I get with a handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the >term exact doesn't come into play, and one doesn't get into these >discussions. On the other hand, if both wheel sets run equally well on a >track, then probably the measurement is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 >of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever >measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places one >gets). >regards, >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >Marty.Thorin wrote: > >Dear Bill: > > If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, > >PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The > >track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge > >for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an > >inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. > > > >Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. > >Thorin > > > > _____ > > > >From: WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> [mailto:WEG138@... ><mailto:WEG138@...> ] > >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: thorin.marty@... <mailto:thorin.marty@...> > >Subject: (no subject) > > > > > >Thorin: > > If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on > >the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! > > > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31016	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: replacement trucks for OLD Flyer equipment

Doug wrote: ****(((((One of the simplest improvements he can make which will greatly improve "rollability" is to replace the original AF wheelsets with the new S-Helper Service wheelsets for AF trucks. These are all-metal insulated wheels mounted on pointed axles the proper length for use in the original AF trucks. No modifications are required. Simple replacement, improved rolling, and they will stay cleaner than the original plastic wheels.***))))) Yep,....I've only converted ONE Flyer piece to SHS trucks and couplers, hope to do more in the future. I have done a few On30 conversions to SHS trucks/couplers. I can't seem to find the photos that I have of the boxcar that I put SHS trucks/couplers on! {It had broken trucks.} It DOES make for close coupling! I did nothing fancy...just drilled out the old rivets and held the new trucks on with those little screw/bolt type goodies and locking nuts. I can't remember the 'real' name for the lock-tight nuts. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

You guys are all off a little.... Remember as an Architect I can dimension something 24'-6".... With the guys in the field.... They are lucky to get within 2"... that's why I dimension all drawings to 1"... I even stay away from 1/2".... that really messes things up.... Now just for the fun of it... take several "S" pieces of track and measure them with a Micrometer..... I am sure you will find slight diff's in all.... So if the wheell fits...... ROLL IT.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Greene" <mgreene@...> To: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...>; "The Velapoldis" <velapoldi@...> Cc: <WEG138@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) See: http://www.nasg.org/standards_S3.html Regards Michael At 12:35 PM 5/3/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Rance: > Sorry if you got confused. On3 uses a gauge of exactly >0.750000000000000000000 inches between the rail. OO runs on it too. > >NASG has determined S Gauge to be just a little more than 7/8 of an inch >which is why I wanted a cruder measuring tool. (A quick web search at >www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org> did not yield the exact dimension.) > >Thorin > > _____ > >From: The Velapoldis [mailto:velapoldi@...] >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:44 AM >To: Marty.Thorin >Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) > > >Hi Thorin: >Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" when >you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now retired >from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need calipers, or >precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty has to be given >with each measurement, thus even those measurements made with precision >tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you should say that 3/4 of an >inch is the measurement that I get with a handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the >term exact doesn't come into play, and one doesn't get into these >discussions. On the other hand, if both wheel sets run equally well on a >track, then probably the measurement is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 >of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever >measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places one >gets). >regards, >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >Marty.Thorin wrote: > >Dear Bill: > > If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision tools, > >PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. The > >track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard gauge > >for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of an > >inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. > > > >Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. > >Thorin > > > > _____ > > > >From: WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> [mailto:WEG138@... ><mailto:WEG138@...> ] > >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: thorin.marty@... <mailto:thorin.marty@...> > >Subject: (no subject) > > > > > >Thorin: > > If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be run on > >the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! > > > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31018	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Off a little!?!? Off a little!?!!? (He don't know me very well, do he?) I would say I am off my rocker by a whole lot! (Is someone accusing me of being sane again????) "Out, I pay taxes. Commit me and I refuse." -- Thorin. P.S. I like the "If the wheel fits, roll it." -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:45 PM To: Marty.Thorin; The Velapoldis; Michael Greene Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) You guys are all off a little.... Remember as an Architect I can dimension something 24'-6".... With the guys in the field.... They are lucky to get within 2"... that's why I dimension all drawings to 1"... I even stay away from 1/2".... that really messes things up.... Now just for the fun of it... take several "S" pieces of track and measure them with a Micrometer..... I am sure you will find slight diff's in all.... So if the wheel fits...... ROLL IT.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Greene" <mgreene@...> To: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...>; "The Velapoldis" <velapoldi@...> Cc: <WEG138@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) See: http://www.nasg.org/standards_S3.html Regards Michael At 12:35 PM 5/3/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Rance: > Sorry if you got confused. On3 uses a gauge of exactly >0.750000000000000000000 inches between the rail. OO runs on it too. > >NASG has determined S Gauge to be just a little more than 7/8 of an >inch which is why I wanted a cruder measuring tool. (A quick web >search at www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org> did not yield the exact >dimension.) > >Thorin > > _____ > >From: The Velapoldis [mailto:velapoldi@...] >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:44 AM >To: Marty.Thorin >Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) > > >Hi Thorin: >Well, what do you mean that "3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement" >when you are only using a "handy-dandy ruler"?????? Although I am now >retired from NIST, the word exact has a higher meaning which does need >calipers, or precision tools to establish (and in fact, an uncertainty >has to be given with each measurement, thus even those measurements >made with precision tools may not be 'exact' enough). Probably you >should say that 3/4 of an inch is the measurement that I get with a >handy-dandy ruler??!! Then the term exact doesn't come into play, and >one doesn't get into these discussions. On the other hand, if both >wheel sets run equally well on a track, then probably the measurement >is something like 3/4 of an inch ± 1/32 >of an inch (or whatever your uncertainty is with that ruler or whatever >measuring instrument one is using - no matter how many decimal places >one gets). >regards, >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >Marty.Thorin wrote: > >Dear Bill: > > If we get out our hand-dandy ruler (no calipers or precision > tools, > >PLEASE!) you will discover the track gauge for On3 is 3/4 of an inch. >The > >track gauge for standard gauge OO is also 3/4 of an inch. Standard >gauge > >for S-Scale is (by this crude measurement) is 7/8 of an inch or 1/8 of >an > >inch wider. For OO and On3, 3/4 of an inch is an exact measurement. > > > >Okay. Now someone may shoot me for not giving the exact NASG size. > >Thorin > > > > _____ > > > >From: WEG138@... <mailto:WEG138@...> [mailto:WEG138@... ><mailto:WEG138@...> ] > >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: thorin.marty@... <mailto:thorin.marty@...> > >Subject: (no subject) > > > > > >Thorin: > > If I understand you correctly your saying that OO and On3 can be > run on > >the same track, but this does not mean "S" gauge. Am I correct? Thanks! > > > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31019	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Mini Structures

on 5/3/04 5:12 AM, Bill Lane at billlane@... wrote: > I am just curious about the history of Mini Structures. How many kits did he > make? How long has it around? According to a January 1, 1981 catalog sheets put out by Hansel Main of Mini Structures, Mini Structures was established in 1956. Kit were offered in both S and O scales. There were 39 station/depot kits offered that were priced, which meant Hansel had all the drawings and kits designed to produce the kits. There were 10 interlocking/crossing towers; 6 coaling towers; 26 water tanks; 23 round houses/engine houses; 10 turntables (largest was 135' for UP Big Boy & sold for $35.95); 9 trestles; 17 bridges; 6 tunnel portals; and 46 structures of which most were railroad oriented. Although these were offered, I do not know how many actually became finished kit for sale. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31020	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Electrical connections

Hi Ya'll, How did you folks with layouts connect your transformer feeder wires to the track> Did you use the Flyer track clips or solder the wires directly to the rails? If, soldered, did you solder the wires to the outside of the rail or the inner side? How did you hide the wires after doing so? I'm using AF track with AF rubber roadbed. (Black Wide Tie) Happy Flyering! Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31021	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: electrical connections

I have done both-AF connector clips and soldering. Solder to the outside of the rail...cover with lichen. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31022	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: electrical connections

I drill a small hole thru the web of the rail,run the wire thru the hole,bend it over,crimp it around the rail and twist the wire tight against the bottom of the rail. solder both sides,don't get too much solder on the inside of the rail.this makes a mechanical connection and a solder joint which has proven to be pretty much bulletproof.I paint the sides of my track a rusty dirty brown,which makes these joints fairly inconspicuous.clean the area to be soldered THOROUGHLY wire brush,denatured alcohol etc. "S"incerely Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31023	From: jt12313	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: American Model Baldwin handrails on a Flyer Baldwin

Hello all, I was reading the available parts list with my AM Baldwin switcher and notice on the replacement parts list that they offered replacement metal hand rails for their S-12 Has anyone tried to adapt these parts to a flyer Baldwin shell? Since we can replace the old motor with a can motor... Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31024	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: S Scale N6

Hi All, I heard that there was an awesome S Scale N6 in the PRR convention contest room. Unfortunately I did not make it to see the models. Hopefully the member who built it is either a member here or someone knows who he is. I would like to contact him about including a photo of the model in a magazine article for an S Scale publication. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale The production of the REA version has begun http://www.pennsysmodels.com Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31025	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: AM Turnouts

Dear lists; Much has been discussed on the two S-lists about turnouts. I should have been paying closer attention, of course, but now that I need the information for a particular project, I can't recall what was said. Situation: have American Models track, long straights and sectional curves. Want to run high rail wheels (scale couplers). Problem, so I recall, is the AM turnout, true or false? Any input or suggestions welcomed. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31026	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big BoyRe: [S-Trains] Digest Number

I heard that the Allegheny is 1/58 but the big boy is 1/64 - S. - Nick At 08:50 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote: >Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:17:36 -0400 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> >Subject: Re: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy > >If it the same guy that I saw in York last Oct. they are extremely nice.... >My only problem I had with buying one then was he told me it was 1/58 th >scale not 1/61 which makes it approx half way between "S" and "O"... 1/57 >( Yes I am ignoring all decimals and I am rounding it off)... So side by >side with a Hudson or Challenger they look bigger.... Run alone they look >great... I am thinking of getting one yet.... Just display it separate.... >Bob RCON7 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:47 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> > > wrote: > > > Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked > > > me to tell the list that he still has a source for > > > thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process > > > for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a > > > very nice S gauge locomotive. > > > > > > Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him > > > to buy and convert the loco. > > > > > > If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive > > > Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call > > > him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever seen one of Ballston's conversions of the K-Line Big > > Boy? I'm interested in one, but I wouldn't buy one sight unseen. > > Any opinions on this conversion would be appreciated. > > > > Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31027	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AM Turnouts

There is no problem with the AM switch using hirail. I run my mainline through 3 of them with no problem. A caveat is that Flyer 4 wheel tender truck wheelbase is short enough to cause a stall if you run too slowly over the frog. I run at moderate speed and never have a problem. Diesels and 6 wheel tender trucks are fine. The only problem with scale is that they need a shim between the guard rail and curved rail to follow the turnout path. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] AM Turnouts > Dear lists; > Much has been discussed on the two S-lists about turnouts. > I should have been paying closer attention, of course, but now that I need > the information for a particular project, I can't recall what was said. > Situation: have American Models track, long straights and sectional curves. > Want to run high rail wheels (scale couplers). > Problem, so I recall, is the AM turnout, true or false? > Any input or suggestions welcomed. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31028	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Model Baldwin handrails on a Flyer Baldwin

Several list members seem to be contemplating Baldwin projects using the AF Baldwin and the S 'n S motor conversion kit. This is an excellent idea. S Gaugian will be running a short construction piece on how I made end railings for one of mine from 1/32" brass wire, first building a jig. The article should be in the May/June or July/August issue. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31029	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: Re:

Don T. wrote: >The track gauge min. for the NASG is 0.883 which is the prototype >4' 8.5" WHA? I thought the gauge for S scale standard gauge track was 0.8828125"! My world is shattered!!! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31030	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2004
Subject: AM turnouts-thanks!

Many thanks to the several folks who responded to my question about AM turnouts. As usual, these S-lists are a terrific resource!! Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31031	From: trainman634	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: SHS Track

What is the best way to fasten SHS track to a train table?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31032	From: trainman634	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Engines

Does anyone on the forum think that K-Line is going to made any S Gauge engines to go with the freight cars they are producing?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31033	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Electrical connections

Both. Track clips are the easiest and can be used in a tunnel or out of sight location. For a more discrete connection, use a solid strand wire. Gently pry up one of the tie tabs on the outside side. Slide the wire between the insulator and the rail and crimp the tie tab tight with a pair of pliers. Then insert your track section into its roadbed and run the wire discretely down the side of the tie through a small hole in the bottom of the roadbed and so forth. If I had a piece of track where the nail holes were a little enlarged from use, I'd run the wires right down through them, otherwise just go straight off the edge and down. Black wire works best of course. This way you do not ruin a piece of track with solder.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31034	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Electrical connections

I solder to the bottom of the rail, then bend the wire 90' and head downward. The rail is so smooth it is best to rough it up a bit so you can get the solder to grip. I use a classic large iron for this work as there is a lot of metal mass that must come up to temp... QUICKLY so the insulation on the wire does not melt... actually start heating the rail first, then add the wire. Silver solder so the flux does not eat the wire / rail. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31035	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Track

We use a small blob of hot glue under the joints. When you want to move it, it comes up easily and peels off of the bottom of the roadbed.\ Don trainman634 wrote: >What is the best way to fasten SHS track to a train table? > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31036	From: Robert Wight	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Flyer Fest West

Im confused. The leeter that was sent to me said San Ramoan. Also you have to make reservations? I never been to one before. I wasnt aware if you do. Or do I jusy show up and pay what ever insane parking fees and entrance fees most these things do for the provilage to spend my money at the vendors. Or is this something else and I need to make reservations. Can someone explain to me please. Thanks. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31037	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Engines

Trainman wrote: <Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:33:06 -0000 <From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> <Subject: K-Line S Gauge Engines < <Does anyone on the forum think that K-Line is going <to made any S Gauge engines to go with the freight <cars they are producing? The answer is definitely YES. Stay tuned. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31038	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big BoyRe: [S-Trains] Digest N

That was a bad time for me last Oct... I lost my wife on the return trip... But I looked at the Engine at York.... and he told me 1/58 I believe... and somewhere else I read the same figure... maybe someone can clarify this for me... I do know it looks great, but bigger than a flyer engine in size...I am still thinking about getting one myself.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Becky Colleran" <colleran@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big BoyRe: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2272 > I heard that the Allegheny is 1/58 but the big boy is 1/64 - S. - Nick > > At 08:50 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote: > >Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:17:36 -0400 > > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > >Subject: Re: Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy > > > >If it the same guy that I saw in York last Oct. they are extremely nice.... > >My only problem I had with buying one then was he told me it was 1/58 th > >scale not 1/61 which makes it approx half way between "S" and "O"... 1/57 > >( Yes I am ignoring all decimals and I am rounding it off)... So side by > >side with a Hudson or Challenger they look bigger.... Run alone they look > >great... I am thinking of getting one yet.... Just display it separate.... > >Bob RCON7 > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> > >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:47 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BLW S ga Conversion of K-Line's Big Boy > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> > > > wrote: > > > > Mel Nielsen, owner of Ballston Locomotive Works, asked > > > > me to tell the list that he still has a source for > > > > thre 1/61 K-Line Big Boy locomotive. He has a process > > > > for coverting the chassis to S gauge, resulting in a > > > > very nice S gauge locomotive. > > > > > > > > Cost is $385 if you supply the loco, or $849 for him > > > > to buy and convert the loco. > > > > > > > > If interested, contact Mel at Ballston Locomotive > > > > Works, P.O. Box 50, Clifton Park, NY 12065, or call > > > > him at 518-584-1090. He does not have e-mail. > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever seen one of Ballston's conversions of the K-Line Big > > > Boy? I'm interested in one, but I wouldn't buy one sight unseen. > > > Any opinions on this conversion would be appreciated. > > > > > > Scott > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31039	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Good morning: My brother-in-law has a Marx train set with original boxes. I can price / grade American Flyer but don't know anything about Marx. Louis Marx & Co. 50385MO Shipped from factory at Girard, Pennsylvania 16417 Remote Control Aut. Unc. Train Set No. 50385MO Order No. 39323 Item No. 21336M Package No. 329221 Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31040	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: eBay item 4146756343 (Ends Apr-28-04 153701 PDT) - SIZE 12 WEDDING

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4146756343&category=63851&sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1 Well, here is an Ebay item you don't see everyday like with trains, and since it is Ebay and trains are sold are Ebay, Ebay is the link to make the two related! LOL Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31041	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: New Locomotive polls & New Locomotives for S

I think that which ever loco a maker chooses should be one that can be offered in as many roadnames as possible. The various USRA designs are a good selection to choose from. I would suggest first the USRA Light Mikado, Which Lionel has made. The second best choice would probably be the USRA Light Mountain. It is roughly the same size as a Hudson. The originals were used by Missouri Pacific, NC& StL, The New Haven, and The Southern, with a total of 47 built. Add to that a number of them were copied or modified somewhat for other Roads. American Models has already done something similar to this, with their USRA Heavy Pacific. The USRA Heavy Mikado would also be a great choice. The 2-10-2 Santa Fe types were built in greater numbers, 269 total , but the 10 drive wheels on each would make a major engineering project. I'd guess that the only the first and last drivers would be flanged, with the other 3 sets blind. The Various Switchers would be nice, but they are kind of limited in usefulness. I think an articulated would be a poor choice to build- they are simply to big. Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing better than to get a "S" C&O -8 Allegheny, but What kind of compromises would be neccessary to get one around a 4x8 layout with original Flyer track? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31042	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Engines

That seems to be the "Buzz" I heard at York. Maybe in the next 12 months. They have the track , rolling stock and transformers, just need a locomotive and there will be hopefully a resonable entry level train set. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line S Gauge Engines > Does anyone on the forum think that K-Line is going to made any S > Gauge engines to go with the freight cars they are producing? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31043	From: Tim	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Tanker reclamations

Hi, I've completed my project on re-painting old Gulf tankers to the higher-end. You're pretty much all welcome to see them in the Tim Brown album at S-Scale.org photo album page at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album07 I've noticed a new album or two worth looking at on the site since a few days ago as well. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31044	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 4146756343 (Ends Apr-28-04 153701 PDT) - SIZE 12 WEDD

MIKE..... quite a while ago someone mentioned about a Wedding Dress up for sale and no bids.... It was nice so I bid something like 4.79... Just for FUN.... Boy was I worried as I was High Bidder till just before it ended....Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] eBay item 4146756343 (Ends Apr-28-04 153701 PDT) - SIZE 12 WEDDING DRESS-GOWN N > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4146756343&category=63851 &sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1 > > Well, here is an Ebay item you don't see everyday like with trains, and since it is Ebay and trains are sold are Ebay, Ebay is the link to make the two related! LOL > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31045	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: Re:

Thorin, You might try posting on the Marx train list. There's a lot of folks there that can help ou out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain Ron "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: Good morning: My brother-in-law has a Marx train set with original boxes. I can price / grade American Flyer but don't know anything about Marx. Louis Marx & Co. 50385MO Shipped from factory at Girard, Pennsylvania 16417 Remote Control Aut. Unc. Train Set No. 50385MO Order No. 39323 Item No. 21336M Package No. 329221 Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links Ron --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31046	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: building dimentions

Can someone post the dimensions for the American Flyer Grain Elevator and the Mysto Magic Company. A picture of the grain elevator would be helpful too. I'd like to try my hand at making these two buildings. Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31047	From: Bruce	Date: 5/4/2004
Subject: NASG Membership

How long does it take the NASG to process a new membership? I sent mine in on Feb. 10 and have not heard anything from them - and my check has not cleared yet either. Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31048	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Engines

At 05:33 PM 5/3/04 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone on the forum think that K-Line is going to made any S >Gauge engines to go with the freight cars they are producing? K-Line , a few weeks ago, notified it's dealers that many items in the current catalog have been cancelled. They have no current plans, when we inquired, and verified by other dealers, that no "S" engines are planned for production. This reinforces the information we received directly from factory reps back in Febuary...............................................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31049	From: xitter1224	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: building dimentions

Reproductions are available of those buildings and all the other ones. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Knight, Gene" <knight@c...> wrote: > Can someone post the dimensions for the American Flyer Grain Elevator and the Mysto Magic Company. A picture of the grain elevator would be helpful too. I'd like to try my hand at making these two buildings. > > > Thanks! > > Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31050	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership

Bruce, For some reason it takes a ridiculously long time for the NASG to process memberships. I sent in my membership renewal on August 5, 2003. After several months of not hearing anything I started writing emails. I finally received my new membership card and my check was cashed on January 2, 2004 nearly 5 months after sending it in! I think this is something that needs to be addressed by the BOT. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31051	From: Buddy Messinger	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership

Hi, I also paid NASG directly at a train show 2 months ago. Still no card or Dispatch. This will likely be my last year with them. Hope they get it together soon! Buddy Messinger ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NASG Membership > Bruce, For some reason it takes a ridiculously long time for the NASG > to process memberships. I sent in my membership renewal on August 5, > 2003. After several months of not hearing anything I started writing > emails. I finally received my new membership card and my check was > cashed on January 2, 2004 nearly 5 months after sending it in! I > think this is something that needs to be addressed by the BOT. > Jim Duncan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 5/3/04

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31052	From: Dennis N. Aruta	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?

Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts? 25 voltage pins? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3478546900&ssPageNa me=ADME:L:DS:US:8

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31053	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?

I don't think this is much of a "train" power supply. For one thing, many of these switcher type power supplies for PCs will not even start unless they are plugged into a proper load. I would pass, and would also suggest that the price of this auction is very high. This thing should be no more the $5 ! Dennis N. Aruta wrote: >Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts? >25 voltage pins? > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31054	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Does this work? Computer Power Supply for Layouts?

No, you won't want that beast. It will require specific loads on various voltages to fire up. But I have seen RR folks using high quality PS's such as Lambda brand for their layout... especially those running DCC type systems. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31055	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: excursion2004

http://www.nps.gov/stea/excursion2004.htm I am headed up to Scranton, PA on the weekend of July 4th and it looks like the stream train rides are on hold for now, due to many reasons and 9-11 is one of them. Sad what is happening in the world today. We do have tickets for a baseball game to see the Triple A team of the Phillies, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Red Barons, as we have been to a game there before, as the stadium is built into the mountain, being in the outfield. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31056	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: K-Line S Loco

Dennis Donovan wrote: <K-Line , a few weeks ago, notified it's dealers that <many items in the current catalog have been <cancelled. They have no current plans, when we <inquired, and verified by other dealers, that no "S" <engines are planned for production. This reinforces <the information we received directly from factory <reps back in <February...../.......................................<...D.D. This was true in February. It is not true now. Just wait and see. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31057	From: Tim	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Oh yeah!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!!!!! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31058	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: excursion2004

Well, The trolley is running! I suspect the issue will be resolved with the hold up in running the trains by July. There is a lot of politics being played out on this one and it is an election year. If not, the WK&S and Strasburg are running so you can see steam in PA. Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:54 PM To: Toy Trains; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: linda.marmer@... Subject: [S-Trains] excursion2004 http://www.nps.gov/stea/excursion2004.htm I am headed up to Scranton, PA on the weekend of July 4th and it looks like the stream train rides are on hold for now, due to many reasons and 9-11 is one of them. Sad what is happening in the world today. We do have tickets for a baseball game to see the Triple A team of the Phillies, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Red Barons, as we have been to a game there before, as the stadium is built into the mountain, being in the outfield. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31059	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Loco

OK..... What does the Crystal Ball tell us..... I See an engine....Using a left over Marx mold for a oversized HO engine with "S" wheelsets stuck on!!!!... with a semi quasie marx o-27 tender..... How close do you think i am????? What are your guesses.... .... Remember their 1/64 BIG BOY is really 1/58 or about half way between "S" and "O".... I guess its time for a new Gauge "SO" Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line S Loco > Dennis Donovan wrote: > > <K-Line , a few weeks ago, notified it's dealers that > <many items in the current catalog have been > <cancelled. They have no current plans, when we > <inquired, and verified by other dealers, that no "S" > <engines are planned for production. This reinforces > <the information we received directly from factory > <reps back in > <February...../.......................................<...D.D. > > This was true in February. It is not true now. Just > wait and see. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31060	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: K-Line

Remember their 1/64 BIG BOY is really 1/58 or about half way between "S" and "O".... I guess its time for a new Gauge "SO" Bob We have Sn3 so why not Sw3( for wide gauge) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31061	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah!

Remember what David said........ Back in the early part of the 19th century the Mexican people fell in love with a special British Mayonnaise.... So they ordered 500 cases of it..... It was shipped on the Titanic...... They still celebrate that day... Sinka De Mayo!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! > Happy Cinco de Mayo!!!!! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31062	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: excursion2004

Hi Tom, Thanks for the reply, as I hope the National Park Service will get thinks going soon. We will be in Scranton, so I think that might be a bit of drive to Stroudsburg. But looking at the map, maybe not. I will do a mapquest, as Bushkill Falls is near Stroudsburg and that is a neat place too! You mention a WK & S. Where is that? Is is near Scranton or a reasonable drive? Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Doherty" <Thomas@...> To: "'mlmarmer'" <mlmarmer@...>; "'Toy Trains'" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <linda.marmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] excursion2004 > Well, The trolley is running! > I suspect the issue will be resolved with the hold up in running the > trains by July. There is a lot of politics being played out on this one > and it is an election year. If not, the WK&S and Strasburg are running > so you can see steam in PA. > > Tom Doherty > President, PHM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:54 PM > To: Toy Trains; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: linda.marmer@... > Subject: [S-Trains] excursion2004 > > > > http://www.nps.gov/stea/excursion2004.htm > > I am headed up to Scranton, PA on the weekend of July 4th and it looks > like the stream train rides are on hold for now, due to many reasons and > 9-11 is one of them. > > Sad what is happening in the world today. > > We do have tickets for a baseball game to see the Triple A team of the > Phillies, the Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Red Barons, as we have been to a > game there before, as the stadium is built into the mountain, being in > the outfield. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31063	From: jt12313	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: simple K-line S motive power candidate

If K-Line wanted to make an easy diesel the could take the late 50s-early 60s F unit shell and put a frame with S trucks under it. It's S from stem to stern but "O"ish from side to side. It would work well with the existing K-Line S cars. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31064	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Plymouth DDT Switch Engine finished

Guys, I finally finished my 30 ton Plymouth DDT switch engine. Its a kitbash using an oversize Model Power HO scale switcher body, a Bachmann On30 trolley chassis regauged to "S" and built to pull a string of Lehmann Gnomy ore cars. It has a scratchbuilt sand dome, stack, air breather, working headlamp and radiator guard. Plus a brass bell on the radiator guard and a scruffy engineer. It will pull 10 ore cars nicely plus a bobber caboose. I've put some photos of it in my custom locomotives folder, page 2, on Paule Yorke's web site. Here's a link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65?&page=2 What do you think? Steve Blancard Bruce Tibbetts wrote: > "David and Susan Horn" <dsme_horn@...> writes: > >Protection from rising/setting sun, and rain and wind too - - but there > >won't be any of that this year - - hopefully. > > Dave: > > Even though I can't make it to the show, all things considered, I for one > would still like to see the sun rise!!!!! > (and set!!!!) > > Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31065	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: simple K-line S motive power candidate

Jeff.... don't forget most AF engines are 3/16" scale high and long.... but were originally wider for 3 rail track.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jt12313" <jt12313@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] simple K-line S motive power candidate > If K-Line wanted to make an easy diesel the could take the late 50s-early 60s F unit shell and put a frame with S trucks under it. It's S from stem to stern but "O"ish from side to side. It would work well with the existing K-Line S cars. > > Jeff > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31066	From: Tim	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: Plymouth DDT Switch Engine finished

I think you're getting just a little too handy! Both this and the last project you did are exemplary! You have a great imagination and the ability to carry it out! Bravo! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Blancard To: Bruce Tibbetts ; S- Trains list Cc: David and Susan Horn ; Wjnovak99@... ; abeachy@... ; JagodnikWL@... ; srbrown@... ; am.flyerman@... ; pmprice@... ; mecoles@... ; acsgmike@... ; jfrodgers@... ; Earlyarthurj@... ; telegeorge@... ; K3EBQ@... ; cajohnson@... ; Jon.Bollinger@... Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Plymouth DDT Switch Engine finished Guys, I finally finished my 30 ton Plymouth DDT switch engine. Its a kitbash using an oversize Model Power HO scale switcher body, a Bachmann On30 trolley chassis regauged to "S" and built to pull a string of Lehmann Gnomy ore cars. It has a scratchbuilt sand dome, stack, air breather, working headlamp and radiator guard. Plus a brass bell on the radiator guard and a scruffy engineer. It will pull 10 ore cars nicely plus a bobber caboose. I've put some photos of it in my custom locomotives folder, page 2, on Paule Yorke's web site. Here's a link: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album65?&page=2 What do you think? Steve Blancard Bruce Tibbetts wrote: > "David and Susan Horn" <dsme_horn@...> writes: > >Protection from rising/setting sun, and rain and wind too - - but there > >won't be any of that this year - - hopefully. > > Dave: > > Even though I can't make it to the show, all things considered, I for one > would still like to see the sun rise!!!!! > (and set!!!!) > > Bruce S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31067	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: S-Scale track mesurements... lets get it right!

Get the rulers ready.... I am glad we are not 3 railers then there would be 3 times the arguments!!! In another 3000 threads this discussion should be put to rest.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:45 PM To: Marty.Thorin; The Velapoldis; Michael Greene Cc: WEG138@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: (no subject) You guys are all off a little.... Remember as an Architect I can dimension something 24'-6".... With the guys in the field.... They are lucky to get within 2"... that's why I dimension all drawings to 1"... I even stay away from 1/2".... that really messes things up.... Now just for the fun of it... take several "S" pieces of track and measure them with a Micrometer..... I am sure you will find slight diff's in all.... So if the wheell fits...... ROLL IT.... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31068	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/5/2004
Subject: Re: simple K-line S motive power candidate

It was posted recently: >don't forget most AF engines are 3/16" scale high and long.... but >were originally wider for 3 rail track.... Not meaning to flame anyone, but let it be proclaimed from the housetops that the statement above is an oversimplification which perpetuates a widely held myth. The multi-piece castings for 3/16 inch scale 0 gauge steam locos done by A.C. Gilbert pre-WWII are NOT wider than S scale. The piece for the steam chest features 1/64th scale cylinders that were set far enough apart to align with the main rods from the 0 gauge drive chassis. That compromise was eliminate post war, when the steam chest molds were redesigned for the completely new S gauge drive chassis. The other three components for the steamers (boiler/cab, pilot, boiler front) always were S scale as to their overall dimensions, particularly their width. Again, I don't mean to flame anyone, but it is strange to see the "excess width" myth posted on a site where we're s'posed to know what we're talkin'bout. :^) Oy. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31069	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Who's Got a Goose..?????

I would like to find a "S" Scale Goose....Seems they are out in O - HO - On3 - But as usual...NO S ...Damn Producers never give the S boys anything ....MTH made a great looking Goose ...I Figure that the Galloping Goose a Very Impressive looking Creation was such a great part of Americana..that I for one would like to own one if only one Company would get off its Butt...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31070	From: trainman634	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Weathering SHS Track

Does anyone using S-Helper track paint or weather the track to make it look better? If you do, what colors do you use?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31071	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Loco

> > >This was true in February. It is not true now. Just >wait and see. > >Joe > >It was true when we called K-line a two other dealers two weeks ago. I >won't be upset if they were lying.............D.D. >=====

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31072	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

All the York purchases are posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Happy Hunting! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31073	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Update on Mapping Kalamazoo

Well, a bit of progress. I've learned that the maps I found are called Sanborn maps. So I am looking into various on-line editions of these maps to see if I can get access to them. If anyone knows of a source that is public access please let me know. I also scanned a map I was given a copy of and uploaded it to this location. Quite high level it leaves out MUCH detail the Sanborn maps show... but it's quite good for a general view of what I am trying to cram into 25' x 15'. http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/pianoman/pics/kalamazoo/railroads/cemap1.png Probably only the high speed folks care to click on that link, it's almost a 4MB file. Also, here's a pretty good history of Kalamazoo with a small map. http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Miscellaneous/KalamazooSeven.htm (Many other good photos here, ariel view of Botsford yard, etc... There were four turn tables in town, two for MC/NYC, one for GR&N/Pensey, one for CK&S) And I just had one thought on how to orientate Kalamazoo into the room... ON AN ANGLE! Botsford yard sits on the south side of the Michigan Central (later NYC) main line around #1436 on the map, right in the blank spot where it says "Cleavland Ave". My idea is to make that straight way there parallel with the 25' length of the room. Around #1543 was solid tracks in the old days, many delivery stations there. Between #1534 and #1536 on the South side of the tracks in the main station for MC/NYC and on the North side of the double track main was another three or so tracks wide for an Intermodel yard and also a lumber yard, one of many. Anyway, it's progress. I think the slant idea might help pack a bit more in the room. Allow Botsford the luxury of the 25' length of the room, then wrap the double main around the room... and do SOMETHING with all of those North/South railroads... the North part gets jammed into a corner of the room a bit, South of the MC/NYC mains is kind of in the middle of the room which is OK. Allow some walk space between Botsford and the wall, some holes here and there in the table for operator access. Ah, back to work... $$$ Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31074	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks Some missed out on the Lackawana reefer we did for the 2001 Steamtown NASG Convention. Well there is one for sale on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3191902693&rd=1 No bids yet John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31075	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2276

In a message dated 5/6/2004 12:19:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:43:23 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: K-Line S Loco Bob, I thought SO used to be a gasoline co. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31076	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: K-line S Loco???

Veeedry Interestink! Joe usually knows of what he speaks, so I suspect this is a very credible rumor. Marx tender bodies can be placed right on AF tender bodies, and fit and look right, maybe they aren't true S, but they sure look right to me! I don't know what Marx loco body would work, but quite a bit of their stuff was 3/16, so something likely will. Why Marx didn't put S trucks under some of their stuff "back when" is a good question, I'm sure they could have sold them to AF operators. Maybe the patents on the ACG coupler prevented them from making a compatible item, or maybe it was just the competitive nature of the biz at the time. Some Marx cars are dead nuts on S, like their Santa Fe Cattle car (don't know why they don't use that one, I have found you can drill out the truck rivits and file the ends of the car to fit the AF couplers, and the AF trucks rivet right on, makes a good looking addition to one's AF pike.). Oh boy, more trains!!! Well, gotta go, I seem to be short on Mayo? ? ? ? ? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-line S Loco???

David & all, David is right about the Marx tender fitting. I used one for a Franklin that was missing one. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Classification Yards

Anyone have expirence wrapping a classification yard around a 90' bend in the room? Good, bad, ugly? Best to keep the entire yard straight? For a double ended yard does one assume roughly the same amount of length for switches as the storage tracks? Ex: 10' tracks, 5' of switching on each end. Also on that note - any expirence with having a 30' or 60' ladder? (Off the main line switch an additional curve could be added, but then for each track a curve would be needed to straighten the track back parallel with the main line.) 1/2 straight required between AF switches, correct? Roughly what is the space needed for a turn table / roundhouse - 2' by 4'? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31079	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: SHS S-Trax Track For Sale

FOR SALE : One Box of S-Helper Service S-Trax 15" Straight Track (6 Pieces), Part # 00257 Retail Price - $36.95 Discounter Price - $27.91 My asking Price - $25.00 Two Boxes of S-Helper Service 29" Radius Curved Track (6 Pieces each box), Part # 00294 Retail Price $36.95 Discounter Price - $27.91 My Asking Price - $25.00 each, $45 for Both Shipping charge - $7.00 BUY IT ALL FOR $75 (that's $2 off shipping) If interested, please contact me OFF-LINE at : RailScaler@... First come, first serve. Thanks. John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31080	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Fwd: Fw: do the work of

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31081	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Help I D'ing GG1

Hi All I looking for some help I D ing a couple of GG1's I bought on ebay. They are not American Models. There are power by a can motor and are DC only,the trucks are cast metal and they have hi-rail wheels. The shell is thick ( kind of rough detail), almost looks like a Bakelite type material. The pantographs are for appearance only. I can't find any Mfg. mark so do not know who made them. The GG1's are 16 " long coupler to coupler, 1 7/8" wide, and 1 3/4" high. Any information about them would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31082	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah!

Tim, Have a invisible Crab Cake with some Pico de Guyo on it! I hope I spelled that right! Now what does Pico De Guyo mean and what is it? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! > Happy Cinco de Mayo!!!!! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31083	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah!

Well, it's really pico de gallo, and it literally means "rooster beak". I think it alludes to the salsa having a "bite"! JimA Message: 11 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:06:21 -0400 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: Oh yeah! Tim, Have a invisible Crab Cake with some Pico de Guyo on it! I hope I spelled that right! Now what does Pico De Guyo mean and what is it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31084	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Help I D'ing GG1

Hello Al .....I have seen one of them and I believe they are made by Imfeld. They came out with these in the early 80's. Don't know what happened to them, but I think American Models took them over and put the GG-1 out again, with updates. They appear to be a very well built model. American Models version is great looking also. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan V Eisenhaur" <aleisen@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Help I D'ing GG1 > > Hi All > > I looking for some help I D ing a couple of GG1's I bought on ebay. They > are not American Models. > > There are power by a can motor and are DC only,the trucks are cast metal > and they have hi-rail wheels. The shell is thick ( kind of rough > detail), almost looks like a Bakelite type material. The pantographs are > for appearance only. I can't find any Mfg. mark so do not know who made > them. The GG1's are 16 " long coupler to coupler, 1 7/8" wide, and 1 3/4" > high. > > Any information about them would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Al > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31085	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah!

Or "peck of the rooster" Mike (who lived in L.A. for too long & that might not matter) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31086	From: Tim	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Oh yeah!

----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: mlmarmer Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! Hi, It's also called Pico de Gallo and is a sauce. Here's a link to a recipe site for it: http://sidedish.allrecipes.com/az/PicDGll.asp Be careful you don't become too visible! It happened to me and I got called a "cheapo"! :) :) Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-List ; Tim Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! Tim, Have a invisible Crab Cake with some Pico de Guyo on it! I hope I spelled that right! Now what does Pico De Guyo mean and what is it? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! > Happy Cinco de Mayo!!!!! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31087	From: nasglibrary	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: NASG Library and the NASG Membership problems

All -- For those of you who have submitted your applications to the NASG and have not yet received anything in return: 1. The NASG Board of Trustees is now taking steps to remedy the membership-processing problem. 2. While we are resolving the membership problem, people waiting for their applications to be processed do not yet have a member number, and so have been unable to obtain Library services. 3. Until the membership problem is resolved, the Mobley Library will honor requests from ANYONE, without the need of an NASG member number. 4. I will let you know when the membership problem is resolved. Thereafter, an NASG member number will again be required for Library service. Dick Karnes, Executive Vice President and Librarian, Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31088	From: starr007	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: 334 DC Engine

Greetings, Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the tender on a 334DC engine? I need to know how the speaker is wired and also what kind of capacitor, or resistor I need to use as this is a DC engine. The tender that came with the engine had a cracked base and someone had added some extra parts! I am assuming that the capacitoror, or resistor is different from the AC engines because this one is DC. Any help would be Greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31089	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos

Hello all, As we discussed a couple of weeks ago during the Sunday night chat, I recently purchased a 25019 operating milk car on eBay. Buying on eBay is not so unusual, but this listing had no photo so the car was bought sight unseen. I received it today, unpacked it, put it on the layout and took some photos of it. I am very pleased with the $75 (total cost shipping and all)I spent on this one! To look her over, go to: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo66 See ya'll later, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31090	From: Tim	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos

Hi, Well, okay; it looks real nice. But you coulda had one for about $30. It's only a #734 with a white paint job and decals. I made one, but I'm a "cheapo"! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos Hello all, As we discussed a couple of weeks ago during the Sunday night chat, I recently purchased a 25019 operating milk car on eBay. Buying on eBay is not so unusual, but this listing had no photo so the car was bought sight unseen. I received it today, unpacked it, put it on the layout and took some photos of it. I am very pleased with the $75 (total cost shipping and all)I spent on this one! To look her over, go to: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo66 See ya'll later, BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31091	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 9, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31092	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Weathering SHS Track: No But Weathering AM

I don't do SHS track but I do do American Models. I use Roof Brown on the ties, mask them and then use Rail Brown on the rails. I've also used Model Master metallic "Gunmetal" on the rails, topped by Rail Brown. Then brush most ties with lightened Roof brown, let dry, brush on some india ink/alcohol and then dry brush a few. Finally, put on some Oily Black. Before painting, I clipped a few of the ties ends and scored each tie several times with a hobby knife. It may sound like a lot but it looks great and has to be much less work than hand-laying rail. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31093	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos

BG1, You did well! Good for you getting that car for $75 sight unseen. A very nice looking car. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 25019 Operating Milk Car Photos > Hello all, > > As we discussed a couple of weeks ago during the Sunday night chat, I > recently purchased a 25019 operating milk car on eBay. Buying on > eBay is not so unusual, but this listing had no photo so the car was > bought sight unseen. I received it today, unpacked it, put it on the > layout and took some photos of it. I am very pleased with the $75 > (total cost shipping and all)I spent on this one! > > To look her over, go to: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo66 > > See ya'll later, > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31094	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Welcome to the Seashore Trolley Museum

http://www.trolleymuseum.org/ Speaking of steam trains, a wonderful place to see, if in Maine. Maine is like my second home! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31096	From: doug	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Re: Help I D'ing GG1

Al, Those GG1 engines were made some 15-20 years ago, long before AM made theirs! They were hand-made, one at a time, by an individual whose name escapes me.....somewhere in the midwest, as I recall. Three or four members of the Bristol Club each purchased one. As I remember, there were some problems with their operaqtion, and they required a fair amount of tinkering to get them to operate well..... Maybe someone else can recall the fellow's name sooner than I can locate it in my "files"..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<<< From: Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...> Subject: Help I D'ing GG1 Hi All I looking for some help I D ing a couple of GG1's I bought on ebay. They are not American Models. There are power by a can motor and are DC only,the trucks are cast metal and they have hi-rail wheels. The shell is thick ( kind of rough detail), almost looks like a Bakelite type material. The pantographs are for appearance only. I can't find any Mfg. mark so do not know who made them. The GG1's are 16 " long coupler to coupler, 1 7/8" wide, and 1 3/4" high. Any information about them would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Al >>>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31097	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Lionel's new AF Baldwin Diesels Tune-up

Lionel's new AF Baldwin Diesels are good looking attempts to improve on AC Gilberts Baldwin offerings. Unfortunately there are some short comings in the design even though it looks as if they tried to improve things like the power pickup and drive reliability. I don't want to start a debate on why you need to fix a new product but just offer some suggestions that I have documented on what I have done to mine at... http://www.tuveson.com/Baldwin/baldwin.htm Take a look, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31098	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/7/2004
Subject: Locomotives

Continuing,if not the USRA Lt. Mountain was ruled out for production in S, I would opt for a multi-road design. My personal choice would be the Van Sweringen Advisory Mechanical Committee 2-8-4 Bershire. The type was commonly used on the C&O, the Pere Marquette, the NKP, the Wheeling and Lake Erie, the Virginian, and RF&P with few modifications to the basic design. Making a Bershire would also mean that another Freight Steam Locomotive would be available to the S community. Freight Steam Locos are few in the S market- currently just the USRA Lt. Mike, unless you count the brass makers. River Raisin made an NKP Berk some years back, but who can afford one at such prices?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31099	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: NASG Membership... They r working on it....

I think the new "Patriot Act" may require that you get checked out in the national database register at The Office of Intelligence and Information... -----Original Message----- From: Buddy Messinger [mailto:rodder@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; kenwoodies1 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NASG Membership Hi, I also paid NASG directly at a train show 2 months ago. Still no card or Dispatch. This will likely be my last year with them. Hope they get it together soon! Buddy Messinger ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NASG Membership > Bruce, For some reason it takes a ridiculously long time for the NASG > to process memberships. I sent in my membership renewal on August 5, > 2003. After several months of not hearing anything I started writing > emails. I finally received my new membership card and my check was > cashed on January 2, 2004 nearly 5 months after sending it in! I > think this is something that needs to be addressed by the BOT. > Jim Duncan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 5/3/04 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31100	From: ctbigboy	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: S-Gauge & Scale items for sale on eBay from Gale Irwin's Estate

There will be a lot of American Flyer, American Models, S-Helper, Hi-Rail, Scale and S-Scale brass items for sale on eBay from Gale Irwin's estate under eBay seller ID: ctbigboy - Thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31101	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Model RRing on TV

This DIY TV program includes a part on model RRing. Might be interesting to watch. http://www.diynet.com/diy/specials/episode/0,2046,DIY_14360_31724,00.html Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31102	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Flyer Fest West

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Flyer Fest West Date: Saturday, May 15, 2004 Time: 10:00AM - 4:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) The 5th Annual Flyer Fest West will be held in Danville, Ca. hosted by the Golden Gate AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31103	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: I'm Off

Hi All, I am off in the morning for Italy to return on 5/24. For those of you who attend the Sunday chats, I'll miss the next 3. So behave yourselves. (Paul, you'll have to leave someone else in charge.) I'll miss you all and will hunt for S trains while I am there. Best wishes and take care ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31104	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: 300+!

With pix being uploaded at two per day, the "Vehicles for S" album has grown to 300 vehicles and shows no signs of slowing. There are still some 80 pix to edit, and more than a dozen (since last April) new vehicles to shoot. Bert, the Cop, remains ready to help. Speaking of Bert, he posed an interesting question the other day: "Why should modelers of fictitious railroads be limited to having only real cars on their streets?" I had no defense against such logic. So, for mrr'ing free lancers, a new folder with "cars that never were" has been added to the C+D System albums. New entries appear there at about one per day. Interested S folks can see both albums and more at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album13 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31105	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Can someone help me?

I remember back a few months that the price on a 929 cattle car was a lot higher than I thought is should be and someone else asked the list why. I found out as did others that there is an open slat version of the 929, which I didn't know about and I learned something. I am sending this in an attempt to learn again. Why do you think the price is so high for this car? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3191072007 gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31106	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains

To all: Never open an attachment unless you know the person emailing you. I would first email the person to make sure they actually sent you the attachment to be safe, if you know the person. Otherwise, from unknown people, delete it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains > To whom it may concern: > > I just received a message from S-Trains-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups.com > that has an attachment. When I tried to download it, Yahoo said I > couldn't because it has the W32.Beagle worm in it. Fortunately, > Yahoo caught it before it got to my machine. Anyone aware of this > happening before? > > > Chuck F. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31107	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains

I don't open any attachments at all no matter who it is from. My understanding about this new worm making its rounds can infect you even if you don't open any attachments. A really good firewall helps and you can get a free one at www.zonelabs.com. To check your vulnerability search for Shields Up on Google. It is a test page that will show how many ports you have "open" and accessible on your computer. If you download the firewall, run the test before and after. My computer is completely invisible on the internet. It acts as though I am not connected at all. Gene ________________________________ From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Sat 5/8/2004 9:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; jayhoo64 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains To all: Never open an attachment unless you know the person emailing you. I would first email the person to make sure they actually sent you the attachment to be safe, if you know the person. Otherwise, from unknown people, delete it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains > To whom it may concern: > > I just received a message from S-Trains-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups.com > that has an attachment. When I tried to download it, Yahoo said I > couldn't because it has the W32.Beagle worm in it. Fortunately, > Yahoo caught it before it got to my machine. Anyone aware of this > happening before? > > > Chuck F. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31108	From: Tim	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains

And how do we know that link you so conveniently provided doesn't have a worm@worm! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Knight, Gene To: mlmarmer ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; jayhoo64 Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains I don't open any attachments at all no matter who it is from. My understanding about this new worm making its rounds can infect you even if you don't open any attachments. A really good firewall helps and you can get a free one at www.zonelabs.com. To check your vulnerability search for Shields Up on Google. It is a test page that will show how many ports you have "open" and accessible on your computer. If you download the firewall, run the test before and after. My computer is completely invisible on the internet. It acts as though I am not connected at all. Gene ________________________________ From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Sat 5/8/2004 9:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; jayhoo64 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains To all: Never open an attachment unless you know the person emailing you. I would first email the person to make sure they actually sent you the attachment to be safe, if you know the person. Otherwise, from unknown people, delete it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Worm rec'd from S Trains > To whom it may concern: > > I just received a message from S-Trains-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups.com > that has an attachment. When I tried to download it, Yahoo said I > couldn't because it has the W32.Beagle worm in it. Fortunately, > Yahoo caught it before it got to my machine. Anyone aware of this > happening before? > > > Chuck F. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31109	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Automatic Turnout switching

Hi Ya'll, Does anyone have or is anyone using the automatic switches that AF put out to automatically throw switches? Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31110	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/8/2004
Subject: Re: Worm rec'd from S Trains

My apologies for the appearance of my email to S-Trains about the worm that came into my Yahoo account through their "unsubscribe" addy. The em wasn't supposed to be posted here, I deleted it as soon as I saw it on the list. No attachment was opened by me. No virus was downloaded to my computer. Yahoo detected the worm and refused to even download it, much less let me open it. Had they missed the worm, the Norton AV and/or Spybot software in our system would have detected it. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31111	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Rare Find?? Gilbert "Train Sounds" record

Greetings, I've just come across an A.C. Gilbert record titled "Train Sounds" No. 4A 208. It is the same size as the records used in the talking stations. It has a manila paper sleeve and looks to be NOS condition. I can't find any information in the Greenberg price guide or the TM price guide. I've scanned the Greenberg volume II and didn't see anything about it. But if it is not made for the train layout, just for our "listening pleasure", would it be in any of the S gauge guides? Any advice as to value or what it is? Thanks! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31112	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Can someone help me?

It is the lettering on the door. Wording and size of lettering make this car uncommon. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31113	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Rare Find?? Gilbert "Train Sounds" record

*****((((I've just come across an A.C. Gilbert record titled "Train Sounds" No. 4A 208.))))***** Could it possiblly be pre-war I wonder? Hmmmmm.......someone here will know Bill! My Gilbert postwar "American Flyer Freight Sound Effects" is NO. 599 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31114	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Anyone else have a similar experience?

I received a strange email. The individual who sent it complained about my sending her emails. The subject line was a posting of mine in the group. I had not sent her anything directly. Anyone else have a similar experience? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31115	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: YA ...- Its Called a WORM

Ya its Called a Worm ....They pick up your address and send out e mails from other puters ...Like anyone that you have e mailed too then in turn it sends out to all the e mail addresses it has picked up from other puters as well..Hence the unknown addressses that you dont recognize ...Its possiable that you have picked up one of any number latest viris's ..ie: ..W32 Beagle ..or W32 Netsky..or W32 Sober ...You can have them even if you have done a Norton scan ,...the only sure way is to Download the PATCH .and sweep your puter with each individual Fix....then you know you are Clean ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31116	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Anyone else have a similar experience?

I had the same message today, but I think it was from a male. Dick At 02:54 PM 5/9/2004, trombonelover1 wrote: >I received a strange email. The individual who sent it complained >about my sending her emails. The subject line was a posting of mine >in the group. I had not sent her anything directly. > >Anyone else have a similar experience? > >Jack > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31117	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Anyone else have a similar experience?

Almost a month ago this person joined the list. I guess this week they got tired of getting S-Trains mail and started replying to all posts with an irate note about having to delete S-Trains mail. I sent them a quick note telling them that they would no longer get S-Trains mail. I deleted their name from our member list. No worm, no mystery, just a confused person. On the virus issue, I don't open attachments from anyone unless they send me note with a full explaintion of what is in the attachment. I also use multiple layers of protection. But that is all 'off topic'. --- Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: > I had the same message today, but I think it was > from a male. > > Dick > > At 02:54 PM 5/9/2004, trombonelover1 wrote: > >I received a strange email. The individual who sent > it complained > >about my sending her emails. The subject line was a > posting of mine > >in the group. I had not sent her anything directly. > > > >Anyone else have a similar experience? > > > >Jack > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31118	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Oh yeah! - something to crow about...

Pico de Gallo (PEEK-o de GAH-o) mean Rooster's Beak in Spanish... It's a lovely green color cream that used on various Mexican dishes... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:34 PM To: S-List Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: mlmarmer Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! Hi, It's also called Pico de Gallo and is a sauce. Here's a link to a recipe site for it: http://sidedish.allrecipes.com/az/PicDGll.asp Be careful you don't become too visible! It happened to me and I got called a "cheapo"! :) :) Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-List ; Tim Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! Tim, Have a invisible Crab Cake with some Pico de Guyo on it! I hope I spelled that right! Now what does Pico De Guyo mean and what is it? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oh yeah! > Happy Cinco de Mayo!!!!! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31119	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279

In a message dated 5/9/2004 9:29:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 10 Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:11:44 EDT From: dcupluvr@... Subject: Automatic Turnout switching Dane, I'm not positive I understand exactly what you're asking. If you mean the 697 track trips, I have used them in the past with 722 turnouts and am planning a new layout now that I will incorporate them in, also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 9, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31121	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279

Hi, IMHO, the 697 trips aren't reliable for use with switches; even when they are overhauled and installed perfectly. For one thing, there is a problem using different locos that have different weights, i.e. a die-cast Northern vs. a plastic Atlantic. Setting the trip just right for one may cause the switch to not get energized by another and vice versa. Also, if the trips stick - and they do - you can easily fry an old switch coil. Instead, I prefer to use 697 trips for non-critical accessories or for ones that won't be damaged if the trip sticks. Examples would be billboard whistles or crossing lights. The 620 electrical trips have similar problems. There are several companies that make current detection or infra-red sensors for use with 2-rail track. Since these newer devices have no moving parts, they would IMHO, be inherently more reliable. I'm all for using vintage Flyer equipment as much as possible, but I don't want to use anything that would cause undo risk to the well-being of my accessories. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Crpntr12449@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2279 In a message dated 5/9/2004 9:29:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 10 Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:11:44 EDT From: dcupluvr@... Subject: Automatic Turnout switching Dane, I'm not positive I understand exactly what you're asking. If you mean the 697 track trips, I have used them in the past with 722 turnouts and am planning a new layout now that I will incorporate them in, also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31122	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279

Hi Folks, Thanks for the comments about the track switches. I think I was incorrect with the number of the track trip I want to use. It's a 26671 or 26672. Anyone had any experience with those or have any for sale? Thanks again, Dane See ya in the chat! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31123	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Hello all, I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. Thanks for the advice, Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31124	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and put it back when done. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > Hello all, > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > Thanks for the advice, > > Walt > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31125	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Hi, IMHO, a 5th wire to a smoke unit is less than worthless, it's annoying. There are at least two better ways to get more smoke from a smoke unit, IMHO. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: C. E. Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wjwagner2002 Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers 5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and put it back when done. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > Hello all, > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > Thanks for the advice, > > Walt > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31126	From: Tim	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2279

No. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: dcupluvr@... To: Timboy@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Crpntr12449@... Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2279 Hi Folks, Thanks for the comments about the track switches. I think I was incorrect with the number of the track trip I want to use. It's a 26671 or 26672. Anyone had any experience with those or have any for sale? Thanks again, Dane See ya in the chat! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31127	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/9/2004
Subject: motor chassis bearing

Anyone have a source for the motor chassis bearing for a 342 AC and 312 AC? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31128	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Lets argue! ;o) I added a 5th wire to my 290 and it improved smoking considerably. One quirk is that the element stays on in neutral, so after parking with power on for a bit and then restarting you get 2 or 3 large puffs at restart. The modification is a lot simpler than getting into the smoke unit to delete wire coils or replace wicks. Another enhancer is to occasionally put in a load of clear lamp oil to clean out the area around the heating element. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...>; "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > Hi, > > IMHO, a 5th wire to a smoke unit is less than worthless, it's annoying. There are at least two better ways to get more smoke from a smoke unit, IMHO. > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C. E. Smith > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wjwagner2002 > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > > 5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and put it > back when done. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > > > Hello all, > > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson > > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. > > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you > > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > > > Thanks for the advice, > > > > Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31129	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Attn: Manufacturers re: Product of the Week

A notice to manufacturers... The NASG web site has started a new feature on their web site homepage called Product of the Week (POW). POW will feature a new S scale product each week, and retain listings for previous weeks. Those interested in having a new product featured may send the product information to pow@.... Preference will be given to submissions that include a brief description (100 words or less), a digital image (minimum 320x240, we will be happy to reduce as necessary) either as an attachment or via a pointer to a web site, and contact information (email and/or web address). Regards Michael Greene NASG webmaster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31130	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Hello All, Can modern day MTH or Lionel smoke fluid be used in 1950s era American Flyer smoke units.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31131	From: martyl11	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Locating hobby shoppes in Arizona

Hi, I will be around the Phoenix area in the end of June. Lookin for anyone carrying S gauge or Plasticville. Anything would be a help. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31132	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Those 2 or 3 big puffs at the start look pretty cool, just like the real ones............. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31133	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: motor chassis bearing

your favorite parts dealer should have some. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31134	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Tim, I believe it was a design after thought at Gilbert... they decided to get more smoke (electricity) to the smoke unit by running a direct wire to it... earlier designs tapped the circuit at various points but competed with the current draw from the running engine... hence less current to he coil in the smoke unit... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; wjwagner2002; C. E. Smith Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers Hi, IMHO, a 5th wire to a smoke unit is less than worthless, it's annoying. There are at least two better ways to get more smoke from a smoke unit, IMHO. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: C. E. Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wjwagner2002 Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers 5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and put it back when done. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > Hello all, > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > Thanks for the advice, > > Walt > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31135	From: Tim	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Hi Scott, I know. I don't like it. It makes disconnecting the tender a pain, unless someone has devised a quick disconnect method that is like me - invisible. :) :) I would rather have seen the factory use a jack panel and a special five-prong male harness. Just my opinion. Regards, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers Tim, I believe it was a design after thought at Gilbert... they decided to get more smoke (electricity) to the smoke unit by running a direct wire to it... earlier designs tapped the circuit at various points but competed with the current draw from the running engine... hence less current to he coil in the smoke unit... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; wjwagner2002; C. E. Smith Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers Hi, IMHO, a 5th wire to a smoke unit is less than worthless, it's annoying. There are at least two better ways to get more smoke from a smoke unit, IMHO. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: C. E. Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wjwagner2002 Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers 5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and put it back when done. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > Hello all, > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 Hudson > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board plug-in. > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do you > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > Thanks for the advice, > > Walt > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31136	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid

In a message dated 5/10/2004 11:44:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wjwagner@... writes: Hello All, Can modern day MTH or Lionel smoke fluid be used in 1950s era American Flyer smoke units. Yes. both work well, but do not have the traditional cedar sent. BB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31137	From: beebear	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Diagrams

Does anyone know where to find a parts diagram for the AF maintenance car? I got one off of EBay and the gear on the drive axle is all chewed up and I need to find the part number to order a new one. Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31138	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: 5th wire question.

Hi, That is factory. The fifth wire provides power directly to the smoke unit and headlight, resulting in a brighter headlight and quicker smoke from the smoke unit. As the loco and tender are not normally disconnected in an AF loco, soldering seems to be fine, although it appears that the plug board could be easily adapted to a mini-plug. Carefully unsolder the wire from the board, and note that your four wire plug has a dab of red paint on one side, and a matching dab on the plug board. These need to be matched for the locomotive to reverse properly. S'incerely, David Dewey PS A welcome from "Darth Dewey", you have now come over to the "Right Size" :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31139	From: jt12313	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: who has bits and pieces for diesels...

Hello all, Does anyone out in Flyerland stock the window unit for the new flyonel bald? How 'bout the small screws that hold the truck frames to the truck on the diesels? I think the Gilbert P# is S249, I cannot recall the flyonel # Oh, can someone recommend a good aftermarket e unit that would work with a Flyonel motor truck. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31140	From: Dave W	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Metal Flyer?

Hi Gang, Dumb question #999......... Which S Flyer cars were/are all metal bodies, if any? Curiously yours, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31141	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/10/2004
Subject: Re: Metal Flyer?

Prewar 3/16 scale O gauge were either sheet metal or die cast. I know prewar hoppers and some gondolas were die cast. Maybe some flats, too. I have 2 1946 S sets with a die cast metal bodied hoppers. Actually the S hoppers were identical to the O gauge ones, just had S instead of O trucks screwed on. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Metal Flyer? > Hi Gang, > > Dumb question #999......... > > Which S Flyer cars were/are all metal bodies, if any? > > Curiously yours, > Dave W. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31142	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

Mr.Smith wrote: >Lets argue! ;o) Yeah! Let's!! YYYEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!!!! Naw, I'm jes' teaz'n. I agree with C.E. And, there are other advantages to the 5th wire: 1. You're not using up motor current to heat the coil. 2. Heater current bypasses the reverse unit, making things easier on contact fingers. I don't have occasion to separate locos from their tenders that often, so unsoldering the 5th wire isn't an annoyance. If the tender has to be removed for service, it's likely I'll need to use a soldering iron on the thing's innards anyway. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31143	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Smoke 'em if you got 'em

I'm not taking part in a back 'n forth argument on rewiring for smoke. We've been through all that before and it's just a matter of personal preference as to what each of us wants to do, IMHO. However, I did an experiment last night. I took a K5 and gave it my special smoke unit overhaul, then added a 5th and even a 6th wire back to the tender trucks. The 6th wire is probably redundant, but I wanted to see exactly what the max amount of smoke was I could coax from the loco. I now need a gas mask when I operate it - even at a crawl. If you don't find unsoldering a 5th (or even 6th) wire a hassle and you want THE max smoke... Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31144	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Trackside finds

The other night I found a knuckle coupler weight alongside a section of track on my layout. That prompted a closer look all around the layout. I found a knurled screw from a freight or passenger car, a brush spring (so THAT'S where it went) and a screw for holding a headlamp bracket on a front pilot. It reminded me of the many times I've walked prototype RR tracks and found interesting things. What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31145	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

Tim asked, "What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks?" 1. Dust. 2. Little teeny tiny flattened pennies. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, though, my layout is still contained in my briefcase, in the "Track Plans" folder.) John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31146	From: race944t	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Wiring Question on American Flyers

It was my understanding that the 5th wire allowed power to be conducted to the headlight regardless of the position of the e- unit. In those units that do not have a 5th wire I don't believe the headlight will light in neutral. Am I off base here? I believe the circuit just included the smoke unit since this is usually where the headlight is connected. Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Hi Scott, > > I know. I don't like it. It makes disconnecting the tender a pain, unless someone has devised a quick disconnect method that is like me - invisible. :) :) I would rather have seen the factory use a jack panel and a special five-prong male harness. Just my opinion. > > Regards, > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Davidson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:44 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > > Tim, > > I believe it was a design after thought at Gilbert... they decided to > get more smoke (electricity) to the smoke unit by running a direct wire > to it... earlier designs tapped the circuit at various points but > competed with the current draw from the running engine... hence less > current to he coil in the smoke unit... > > Scott Dee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@a...] > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; wjwagner2002; C. E. Smith > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > Hi, > > IMHO, a 5th wire to a smoke unit is less than worthless, it's annoying. > There are at least two better ways to get more smoke from a smoke unit, > IMHO. > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C. E. Smith > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wjwagner2002 > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > > 5th wire is to the smoke unit. You have to disassemble it neatly and > put it > back when done. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@p...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:42 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Question on American Flyers > > > > Hello all, > > I picked up several old American Flyers at a garage sale. While I > > own a bunch of O gauge stuff (sorry) I've never owned an American > > Flyer. I have wiring questions about 2 of them. They are a 326 > Hudson > > and a K335 Northern. I'm attempting to separate the engines from the > > tenders (so I can disassemble and clean the units.). Each locomotive > > has a 4 plug unit that easily separates from the fiber board > plug-in. > > However each unit has a 5th wire that runs from the tender to the > > locomotive. Instead of using a plug the wire seems to be soldered in > > place. My questions are several-fold. What does this wire do? Do > you > > think it is something the user installed? (It seems odd that the > > other wires plug-in but this one is soldered.) Should I just cut it > > or unsolder it. Is this the right way to connect the wire/ Should I > > put a male/female connector in its' place. I know my questions are a > > bit dumb but I want to service these engines properly. > > > > Thanks for the advice, > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31147	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

I found a 10 foot box car door in Decator Ala. Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: JOHN EICHMANN [mailto:jeichmann@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trackside finds Tim asked, "What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks?" 1. Dust. 2. Little teeny tiny flattened pennies. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, though, my layout is still contained in my briefcase, in the "Track Plans" folder.) John Eichmann RMHR Boise S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31148	From: waldootten	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

I have found the cover for a journal box, a spring from a link coupler (early 600 passenger cars), and a dead fly. The coroner's finding was that it indeed was a suicide, blamed on inhaling too much smoke from a five-wire Northern. I also have an old Lionel locomotive that for some strange reason is covered with flies on hot days. Just kidding. Phil K ______________________________________________________________ > The other night I found a knuckle coupler weight alongside a section of track on my layout. That prompted a closer look all around the layout. I found a knurled screw from a freight or passenger car, a brush spring (so THAT'S where it went) and a screw for holding a headlamp bracket on a front pilot. It reminded me of the many times I've walked prototype RR tracks and found interesting things. What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? > > Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31149	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

Touché! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trackside finds I have found the cover for a journal box, a spring from a link coupler (early 600 passenger cars), and a dead fly. The coroner's finding was that it indeed was a suicide, blamed on inhaling too much smoke from a five-wire Northern. I also have an old Lionel locomotive that for some strange reason is covered with flies on hot days. Just kidding. Phil K ______________________________________________________________ > The other night I found a knuckle coupler weight alongside a section of track on my layout. That prompted a closer look all around the layout. I found a knurled screw from a freight or passenger car, a brush spring (so THAT'S where it went) and a screw for holding a headlamp bracket on a front pilot. It reminded me of the many times I've walked prototype RR tracks and found interesting things. What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? > > Tim Brown S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31150	From: wintermutedm	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

My cat, Harry Winston, often sits next to the Mystic station. He enjoys watching the trains... and occasionally trying to catch one. (I should post a picture of him) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > The other night I found a knuckle coupler weight alongside a section of track on my layout. That prompted a closer look all around the layout. I found a knurled screw from a freight or passenger car, a brush spring (so THAT'S where it went) and a screw for holding a headlamp bracket on a front pilot. It reminded me of the many times I've walked prototype RR tracks and found interesting things. What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31151	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

831 KCS M of W trucks. 90's + http://mopac1.tripod.com/831.gif 832 CGW 40' boxcar. 7-47 http://mopac1.tripod.com/832.gif 833 ACFX 4 bay center flow KT Clays. 8-91 http://mopac1.tripod.com/833.gif 834 CGW 50' DD boxcar. 6-56 http://mopac1.tripod.com/834.gif 835 SOYX 3 bay covered hopper. 1-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/835.JPG 836 CGW 50' DD boxcar. 6-56 http://mopac1.tripod.com/836.gif 837 CGW 50' DD boxcar. 6-56 http://mopac1.tripod.com/837.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31152	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds

I work for a real Railroad, some of the things we find near RR tracks are not very pleasent to speak of. Especially when the hobos are riding the trains regulary in the summertime. All I can say is that Im amazed by how much blood is in the human body!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31153	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Re: Only you can prevent forrest fires! A pungent ?

Smoky Bear... aka Downtown Tim Brown... I always disliked it when a practical person such as yourself ends a controversial thread by actually doing an empirical experiment to verify a position... not a real scientific approach... I bet you're a blast with a Gilbert Chemistry set.... It is incredible how much smoke will pump out of the units from the 50's... I think it makes the modern wisp of smoke the fan driven units produce look really fake... Does anyone know why Gilbert chose a cedar smell for the smoke? Keep up the good scientific work... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31154	From: Bruce	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler

I'm cleaning a 360 for a customer. Having not memorized AF production yet, I checked my Greenbergs' and found no mention of a 360 PA without a PB unit connected by a drawbar. This 360 has what appears to be a factory sheet metal (blackened) bracket in place of the drawbar and fastened to the truck with a screw. It appears that the bracket may have had a link coupler attached to it originally, but it now has a knuckle coupler held in place with a slightly rusted split pin. The date inside the shell is FEB. 1951. There is no front coupler. Based on the grease (wax) and the fit of the screws, I think I am the first person to ever service this engine. So, is this a genuine oddball item, or has someone swapped shells? Or, is the coupler an add-on kit offered later so that the PA could be run without the PB unit? I've never seen this kind of coupler mounting bracket before, but I'm not sure that I've ever worked on a link coupler era PA before, either. I am sure that this is the first time I've seen powered trucks that did not tilt on the yoke. When did ACG switch from non-tilting to tilting (pinned) trucks? I think my customer said he got it on ebay. Any comments? Bruce Willis Huntsville, AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31155	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31156	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Diesel Sound Generator PA13A870

I'm working on a diesel roar unit from a 491 B unit and would like to know it anyone knows the recommended gaps for the two sets of breaker points and the distance of the armature from the coil. The way these parts are stacked on one bolt allows a lot of adjustment possibilities. An explaination of how this unit is "supposed" to work would also be helpful. Neil Holcomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31157	From: supersmokebob	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: American Models Smoke units

If you find your American Models Smoke unit is not emitting enough smoke, I have designed a replacement element that will increase the volume of smoke considerably. This is an easy & inexpensive improvement to the smoke unit.. Bob Board Lancaster, Pa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31158	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: The Polls I created.

With regard to the Polls I created, should I have put more choices in them? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31159	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis

Hi: I have a question that hopefully someone(s) can answer. I've seen numerous new Lionel/Flyer PA diesel bodies on Ebay. They look good. Has anyone mounted them on a regular old flyer PA chassis powered or dummy? Do the screw holes line up? If this can be done please let me know. Thanks Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31160	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Only you can prevent forrest fires! A pungent ?

In a message dated 5/11/2004 9:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scottdee25@... writes: It is incredible how much smoke will pump out of the units from the 50's...I think it makes the modern wisp of smoke the fan driven units produce look really fake... Surely, you have never heard of MTH! ;-) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31161	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Imfeld GG1's

Hi All I want to thanks all the members on this list who emailed me and help steer me in the right direction to ID my A.D. Imfeld GG1. The only mystery left is why my GG1 has a single can motor and the original came with 2 pittman open frame motors. If anyone has one with a can motor please email me. To quote someone else on this list. What great bunch of helpful people we have on this list Thanks Al ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31162	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Non-Compliant Northerns...

Phil, Be careful, this list is on the PETA watch group for alleged animal abuse practices... Some of your practices may not fly! 5 wire Northerns, lets not even get into the dreaded 6 wire variation that some insist on using, have been determined to be hazardous to your health... Many hobby shops - some on this list - offer compliant conversions for a nominal fee - there is also a waste disposal charge involved in the conversion... The federal government has deemed that all Northerns must be Oxley-Sarbanes compliant and operators must have transparency for such issues.... see the SEC site for filing and audit requirements.... Scott Dee I have found the cover for a journal box, a spring from a link coupler (early 600 passenger cars), and a dead fly. The coroner's finding was that it indeed was a suicide, blamed on inhaling too much smoke from a five-wire Northern. I also have an old Lionel locomotive that for some strange reason is covered with flies on hot days. Just kidding. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31163	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... Steer around that cow....

Tim, We have a stockyard accessory and sometimes the doors open on the stockyard car when the steers are in them and they fall out... a nasty little mess when they get hit - usually derail the train engine... The PETA folks have contacted us and we are trying to figure out a decent solution to the door opening problem... does anyone have one? Did you see Lionel's' current catalog? It seems to implement allot of Gilbert ideas in O-Gauge this year... all the accessories, walking brakeman, animated cabooses,... etc.... have a new Mounty that saves a women trackside device that seems inspired by the Gilbert cow on the track... well at least the PETA folks won't be contacting Lionel... but will the feminist? Scott Dee What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31164	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH acronym mean?

When I have seen MTH run I haven't been impressed, but I don't own any so maybe the units were not on full capability. MTH - Made in Taiwan Hastily ? I hear that quality is a problem. not that Lionel has set new standards for it either. PS: My name is not surely! Yuk, yuk, yuk,,,,,, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: RBubeck327@... [mailto:RBubeck327@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:40 AM To: scottdee25@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Only you can prevent forrest fires! A pungent ? In a message dated 5/11/2004 9:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scottdee25@... writes: It is incredible how much smoke will pump out of the units from the 50's...I think it makes the modern wisp of smoke the fan driven units produce look really fake... Surely, you have never heard of MTH! ;-) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31165	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... scale size?

What size would that be in s-scale if we wanted to model trackside junk? Sounds like it may be a catalyst to a really long controversial thread until tim Brown actually measures one.... Scott Dee I found a 10 foot box car door in Decator Ala. Tom Doherty President, PHM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31166	From: Tim	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Trackside finds... Steer around that cow....

Scott, I hate when that happens. But then we usually have little steaks on teeny, tiny grills in Browntown! :) :) Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: 'Tim' Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trackside finds... Steer around that cow.... Tim, We have a stockyard accessory and sometimes the doors open on the stockyard car when the steers are in them and they fall out... a nasty little mess when they get hit - usually derail the train engine... Scott Dee What are some of the things you guys find laying on or about your layout tracks? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31167	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH acronym mean?

In a message dated 5/12/2004 2:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scottdee25@... writes: When I have seen MTH run I haven't been impressed, but I don't own any so maybe the units were not on full capability. The sample you viewed must have been low in fluid, or set at a low setting via DCS. Take my word for it. The smoke units in MTH O gauge steamers are done very well. In fact, they can be downright oppressive in conventional (non-command) mode. BB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31168	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Where there's smoke there's fire - What does MTH ac

---------- Made in China hastily. The newer MTH proto 2.0 engines are better. IMHO, part of the reason some of the post-war stuff was more reliable was party because the components were simpler. Is there anyone on this list that has NOT had trouble of some kind with his/her computer? The contemporary trains have similar digital glitches. And, no question that it is tough to monitor quality 10,000 miles away, even in something as "simple" as a coupler. Cheers :) Roy Inman > > > MTH - Made in Taiwan Hastily ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: Automatic Turnout switching

What is the best kind of track trip to use to throw Flyer track switches automatically? I am familiar with all the Gilbert track trips, but have had no experience with the modern electronic devices now available. I have had the best luck with the #697 pressure type trip. The connections are shown in the original instructions for the #697. (p. 312 in my K-line book) Flyer switches can overheat if they are thrown constantly or fed power for too long, and a device that throws a short burst of current through sturdy cottacts is required. The advantage of the #697 trip is that it can be adjusted so that only the weight of a locomotive will trip it. This produces a connection of short duration through the trip. The #670 electric trip is not as relaible, in my experience. Facctory drawings also show the use of this trip to throw switches. The two different 5 digit trips (26671, 26672) are only capable of connecting a device to the base post when tripped. Switches and semaphores must be wired backwards. This also means that the semaphore's stop zone must be in the variable voltage post rail, and it gets a shot of the full accessory voltage when the arm goes to green. Put it on a straightaway! I used this system when I was a kid, as these were the only trips I could find back then. Gilbert may have produced a diagram of this too. Next are the modern electronic devices. Infortunately, I haven't had a chance to use any of them, and would like to hear from those who have had success.throwing Flyer switches with them. There are current detectors and optical detectors. My sense is that optical detectors are more for crossing gates and tend to feed longer bursts to an accessory, since the passing of any rolling stock interrupts a light beam. So, if any of you folks have successfully used the modern detectors and trips to throw flyer switches, please pitch in here! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31170	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: 360 Santa Fe PA w/knuckle coupler

Bruce,  could it be the rear side frames off the B unit  that has a link coupler attached that someone switched  to the A unit? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31171	From: Tim	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Swithc trips

When using a 697 trip to energize a switch, I would at least observe these three points: 1) I wouldn't use them on a critical switch, where if it's not thrown, a derailment or collision would result; 2) If I did use one on a critical switch, I would make a stop-block of generous length at the switch such that if it fails to throw, a train passing into that stop-block will stop, avoiding either a derailment or collision; and 3) I would never walk away from my layout while the trains were running with these (or any other) trips in play, in case one stuck (and they do stick on occasion) resulting in a switch coil getting fried. If you do want to use them for throwing switches, I think a good idea would be to wire them through a toggle cut-off switch, so the switches can be thrown either by manual remote or by train-activation via the trip, depending on how you have the toggle set. Hope this helps would-be auto switch-throwers! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31172	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Flyonel/Gilbert interchangeability

I bought two Flyonel Santa Fe Alco's [unpowered, they were from Lionels auction a few years back] and put one body on an old 360 unit I picked up for 20 bucks. I finally got a perfect set of Alco AA diesels! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31173	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: York thurs nite AF meet group photo

Hello All! I finally got around to attempting to send this picture of the Thurs nite AF get together at the 4 Points Sheraton. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31174	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: York APR 2004 Group photo

Hi Gang! Finally got around to downloading my photo's of my trip. This is from the Thursday nite AF get together. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31175	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: Re: York thurs nite AF meet group photo

Hey! I guess I still have to do some reading about this.......Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York thurs nite AF meet group photo > Hello All! I finally got around to attempting to send this picture of the Thurs nite AF get together at the 4 Points Sheraton. Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31176	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/12/2004
Subject: 360 PA W/ coupler

That's a common bracket, used on the PAs to mount link couplers. The truckside bracket is pre-drilled & tapped for both the bracket and the connecting strap. (for some reason, ACG chose to make the bracket to fit its own mounting hole!). This change could be done without even removing the sideframes, so your loco might not have ever been disasembled. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31177	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Whistle Problem!

Hello All, I picked up an AF 326 Hudson at a garage sale. The tender contains a little speaker. I cleaned it up internally and now have the reversing unit cycling properly. But When I put power to the tender the speaker buzzes constantly. The higher the voltage the higher the volume of the buzz. When I press the whistle button on my transformer I don't hear a whistle, it just keeps buzzing. The buzz sounds like electrical interference. Does anyone have a theory on what causes the buzz? Any ideas how I can eliminate it? I'm hoping the experts here can tell me what to do about this ... Thank You Walt PS I'm really learning a lot from reading all the emails.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31178	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Uncle!!

OK, if one changes their track system from the old American Flyer S track to the newer AM track, how do you hook up a mail bag hook or action car power strip???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31179	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: Whistle Problem!

You need a special controller to make the AF Air Chime whistles work. If your using a Lionel type transformer, the whistle control is useless and the power from such a transformer is enough to burn out the speaker which today is all but impossible to locate and replace. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@p...> wrote: > Hello All, > > > I picked up an AF 326 Hudson at a garage sale. The tender contains a > little speaker. I cleaned it up internally and now have the reversing > unit cycling properly. But When I put power to the tender the > speaker buzzes constantly. The higher the voltage the higher the > volume of the buzz. When I press the whistle button on my transformer > I don't hear a whistle, it just keeps buzzing. The buzz sounds like > electrical interference. Does anyone have a theory on what causes > the buzz? Any ideas how I can eliminate it? I'm hoping the experts > here can tell me what to do about this ... > > Thank You > > Walt > > PS I'm really learning a lot from reading all the emails.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31180	From: Bruce	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: 360 PA W/ coupler

David, Was the bracket sold separately, or did the original owner probably take it off the rear truck of the B unit? The next morning, after my post (and before I read Harwell's response), I realized that the whole truck frame could have been taken from the B unit, but after thinking about it and remembering the way the grease was caked on it, I think yours is the better explanation. I'm not sure what you mean in your parentheses "make the bracket fit its own mounting hole". The tab on the frame has two holes - one centered and one to the side. The center hole is used to attach the bracket. Maybe one of these days I'll get a chance to work on a complete PA/PB unit and see what the drawbar looks like and how it is attached. Thanks to everyone who responded. Oh, for anyone else who was curious, I was given the 1953-1954 time frame for the switch to the tilting trucks. Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, djdewey@c... wrote: > That's a common bracket, used on the PAs to mount link couplers. The > truckside bracket is pre-drilled & tapped for both the bracket and the > connecting strap. (for some reason, ACG chose to make the bracket to fit > its own mounting hole!). This change could be done without even removing > the sideframes, so your loco might not have ever been disasembled. > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31181	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Whistle Problem!

In a message dated 5/13/2004 12:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, stepdad56@... writes: such a transformer is enough to burn out the speaker which today is all but impossible to locate and replace Doug At Portlines Hobby Carries a nice replacement for 10.00. I've even added one to an engine that never had a speaker. Works Great. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31182	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: whistle problem

Walt: What kind of transformer are you powering that 326 with? Many modern power packs, such as MRC, vary loco speed by modiying the shape of the wave, rather than AC amplitude. Such a power source will cause the speakers in Gilbert horn/whistle equipment to sound continuously. A small amount of buzzing is normal, with AC track current. A large amount may indicate some intermittent electrical fault, such as a cold solder joint. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31183	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: 3rd rail pick-up

From: "stepdad56", "OK, if one changes their track system from the old American Flyer S track to the newer AM track, how do you hook up a mail bag hook or action car power strip???" Hi, I made my own using a length of AM rail equal to the length of the ACG 3rd rail. I rounded off the ends so the shoe would not catch as the car passed by. To get it at the proper height, I soldered short pieces of rail at right angles to the 3rd rail. I made them long enough to fit into holes I drilled into the Homasote table top. On one of the legs, I soldered a wire to supply power. If you have a cattle loader, you'll have to shim the track up a bit to match the ACG rail height so the car's pick up shoe doesn't catch. For this, I used cardboard (chip board--from the art supply store) tapering the ends to ease the grade change. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31184	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Promotions

Hi Folks Just a few lines about promotions at shows coming up. Tom Robinson and members of the Georgia Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will have Tom's layout setup at Kudzu Rails 2004 in Kennesaw, Ga this month. For Information click http://www.srha.net/kudzu/default.htm The Alto Model Train Museum Association will have their S hirail layout at the TCA's Nation Convention in Pittsburgh this June. For information click http://www.joelkruman.com/tca2004/convhome.htm The Bay Area S Scalers and the Rocky Mountain Hi Railers will have their layouts at the NMRA's Nation Train Show In Seattle this July. For information click http://www.nmra2004.org/TrainShow.htm The Folks from S-n-S Trains will have a NASG Table next to theirs at the TTOS nation Convention in Fresno This August. For Information click http://www.ttos.org/conventions.htm James McAuliffe and the Inland Terminal S Scale Club will have their layout at the NMRA's 2004 Pacific Southwest Region Convention in Glendale Ca. this September. For Information click http://www.getnet.com/~dickg/nmra/psr/2004conv.html The Fall S Fest will be hosted this October by The Badgerland S Gaugers in Waukesha, WI. for Information click http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/fall_s_fest.htm A new S gathering will be in Carmel IN. Just north of Indianapolis this November 20th. It is called the Indianapolis S Show. For Information contact Charles Malinowski at 317 566-1748 or email at bmry1905@... Don't forget the NASG National Convention this July in Chicago http://www.2004nasgconvention.com/ And the first ever NASG Regional convention in Tacoma, Washington this July. This one is called Puget Sound 2004. For information click http://www.nasg.org/ then scroll down to 2004 regional convention 2004 then click again. As for my self I will be bring the NASG portable layout to Chicago, the Central Jersey Fall S Get-Together this September in South Amboy NJ For information click on http://www.showcaseline.com/ when you get there at SHS click on Shows in the pink area then click on shows we're attending this year scroll down to CJSS Fall S Get-Together and click that. Also check out the other shows S-helper Service are doing. I have other shows I plan on doing this year. Look for our Eastern VP Bill Fuhrman and the NASG table at the <http://www.afstrains.com/show.htm>Train Collector's 6th Annual All Gauge Train Show Yale University New Haven, CT August 15-16 This is a great one for s Gaugers. For information click http://www.afstrains.com/show.htm For the narrow gaugers we will make arrangements to be at the for the 2005 Sn3 Symposium in Tampa Fl. in February. For information click http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/fall_s_fest.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31185	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: Diesel Sound Generator PA13A870

Neil: here is an excerpt from something I wrote which may help a little. Tom Jarcho THE DIESEL ROAR The diesel roar is built around an oscillating or vibrating relay which was an essential part of automobile radios of the 1950s. A tongue with two contacts is pulled down by a magnetic coil. The upper contact of the tongue (normally closed) feeds power to the coil which pulls down the tongue, breaking the upper contact connection which cuts power to the coil, and connecting the track power through a resistor to a small speaker instead. This only lasts for a fraction of a second before the tongue springs back to the upper position, where it again energizes the coil. The process repeats itself many times per second and produces a sound that resembles a diesel engine rather closely. Neat, huh? A non-working roar unit that appears to be intact may only need a little help. First try cleaning both sets of contacts. Use small pieces of #600 sandpaper folded over so that the abrasive surface is facing out on both sides. Pull down the tongue if necessary to access the contacts and sand away any crud and oxidation that may have developed. This is often all you need to do to get the unit vibrating again. Sometimes it is necessary to adjust the positions of the contacts or tongue. The contact on the upper side of the tongue should touch the upper contact when the unit is at rest. The lower contacts should touch when the tongue is bent down by the coil's magnetic pull. The upper and lower contact arms can be bent up or down a little at a time with a screwdriver blade. If the lower contact is too high it may cause the coil and/or the resistor to overheat. The weight on the end of the tongue should almost but not quite touch the bump in the center of the coil. To adjust the tongue's position loosen the nut that holds the assembly together and slide the tongue in or out, then re-tighten the nut. Adjusting the contacts and tongue changes the sound produced. If you want to fool around with it a little you can get a very rough sound or a much smoother one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31186	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/13/2004
Subject: Re: 360 PA W/ coupler

Bruce, The coupler bracket was probably available as a repair part. I don't have one handy to look at, but I think the connecting strap screws went in the centered hole, and the coupler bracket screw in the offset hole. That's what I meant to say! I think you have the dates right on the pivoting truck mounting. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31187	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?

I don't receive the S-Trains Digest(s) anymore! Did I get somebody mad? Please start sending again! Thank-you. Bill Adams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31188	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?

Responding via list because... On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:20:14 EDT, X3C12@... wrote: > I don't receive the S-Trains Digest(s) anymore! > Did I get somebody mad? > Please start sending again! It might be your AOL... I tried to send you a response and your account says you do not accept mail from me. My previous repose directly to you: >> Check your settings in http://groups.yahoo.com Michael << And your AOL server responded to me: >> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from pianoman@...: x3c12 << So not only check your yahoo group settings, check (dump) AOL as well. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31189	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Promotions

John Foley wrote: Hi Folks Just a few lines about promotions at shows coming up. >>> Thanks, John, that's a great list. There are probably even more shows coming up. Here's a couple of them you can add: The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying Lookout Junction at the Great American Train Show at the Western Idaho Fairgrounds in Boise, Idaho, June 26-27. For information click http://www.greatamericantrainshow.com/schedule/index.htm#jun Lookout Junction will also be the featured attraction at the Third Annual Idaho Rails Train Show in Weiser, Idaho, October 2, 2004. Information: www.idahorail.org Of course, we all hope you can join the RMHR and the BASS at the National Train Show in Seattle, July 9-11. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31190	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Repeat Inquiry: Gilbert Train Sounds Record

Greetings, Earlier this week I requested information on a Gilbert Train Sounds Record No 4A 208. It is app. 4" in diameter. It is for sale and I'd like to know what it is and what it is worth. I've had one reply to date. Thanks, Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31191	From: starr007	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: 593 signal tower

Does anyone have a good base for a 593 switch tower for sale? or,I would buy the complete unit if it was priced right, Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31192	From: John Brockmann	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Steam & Diesel Info

Hi Folks, anyone know where I can get info on this topic. Not being an expert I would like to have a source for finding out which diesels/switchers had working headlights or not. Which locos had whistles/speakers,etc,etc. Hope this makes sense.Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31193	From: trainman634	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: New collector question

I won a 632 LNE hopper with all four steps on Ebay. The trucks are converted to knuckle couplers. It has sheet metal trucks. The trucks are screwed onto the shell. Is this original and are all the trucks on 632's screwed onto the shells?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31194	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Up for trade

I have a 1991 HESS truck with race car for trade for S gauge or ?. Hess is not very popular out here in Colorado. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31195	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 16, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31197	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: New collector question

A new collector asked: >Is this original and are all the trucks on >632's screwed onto the shells? Yeah, if the screws are slotted and blackened, it's most likely original. There should also be a small fender washer between each truck and car bolster. I've gotten several 632s that way. Later on, Gilbert changed to the shoulder rivet, which leaves a large hole exposed in the cars interior. The screw mount leaves the car interior clean. Over the postwar years the bolster design changed several times. I kinda prefer the screw mounting, since I usually by "beater" 632s for the trucks. Unscrewing is a lot easier than grinding off rivets. BTW, welcome to the fold! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31198	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/14/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis

I have mounted an AF dual motor chassis in one of the new flyonel SF unit shells. It fit just fine. Mark -----Original Message----- From: romoyer@... [mailto:romoyer@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:33 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis Hi: I have a question that hopefully someone(s) can answer. I've seen numerous new Lionel/Flyer PA diesel bodies on Ebay. They look good. Has anyone mounted them on a regular old flyer PA chassis powered or dummy? Do the screw holes line up? If this can be done please let me know. Thanks Bob Moyer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31199	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Up for trade

I get to pass by the Hess corporate headquarters in NJ on the way to Maine every year! And I am suppose to way at Don Thompson as we pass by his exit on the NJ Turnpike! I must be weird, as I never got into Hess items myself, since there were no Hess Stations in Montgomery County, MD, I guess. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Up for trade > > I have a 1991 HESS truck with race car for trade for S gauge or > ?. Hess is not very popular out here in Colorado. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31200	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?

I have been having the same problem the last 2 weeks at least - and I do not have AOL. I just received Tuesday's digest Friday. Last week I received 3 or 4 days of digests on Saturday. I checked my settings in Yahoo and no problem there. I think it is a Yahoo problem. Gregg >Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:46:55 -0400 > From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> >Subject: Re: Re: What happened? > >Responding via list because... > >On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:20:14 EDT, X3C12@... wrote: > > > I don't receive the S-Trains Digest(s) anymore! > > Did I get somebody mad? > > Please start sending again! > >It might be your AOL... I tried to send you a response and your account >says >you do not accept mail from me. > >My previous repose directly to you: > > >> >Check your settings in http://groups.yahoo.com > >Michael ><< > >And your AOL server responded to me: > > >> >Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they >are >not accepting mail from pianoman@...: > x3c12 ><< > >So not only check your yahoo group settings, check (dump) AOL as well. > >Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31201	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: What happened?

Could someone tell me what they are talking about, digest I don't understand. Bob Gregg Mummert <gmummert@...> wrote:I have been having the same problem the last 2 weeks at least - and I do not have AOL. I just received Tuesday's digest Friday. Last week I received 3 or 4 days of digests on Saturday. I checked my settings in Yahoo and no problem there. I think it is a Yahoo problem. Gregg >Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:46:55 -0400 > From: "Michael Lueck" >Subject: Re: Re: What happened? > >Responding via list because... > >On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:20:14 EDT, X3C12@... wrote: > > > I don't receive the S-Trains Digest(s) anymore! > > Did I get somebody mad? > > Please start sending again! > >It might be your AOL... I tried to send you a response and your account >says >you do not accept mail from me. > >My previous repose directly to you: > > >> >Check your settings in http://groups.yahoo.com > >Michael ><< > >And your AOL server responded to me: > > >> >Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they >are >not accepting mail from pianoman@...: > x3c12 ><< > >So not only check your yahoo group settings, check (dump) AOL as well. > >Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31202	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks At my website I am doing a page with train shows or conventions that will have S participating. This can be Layouts or sales. So off list send me any info & links about shows with S. If no link send me the address of the show. john.foley16@... John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31203	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis

I cannot speak for Bob Moyer who asked the original question, but I can tell you why I did it. I had a nice dual motor chassis, and I had been looking for a SF PA shell for a while and never found one. Eventually a Flyonel SF shell showed up on e-bay that went at a reasonable price. After scrounging s few chassis screws it was mounted. It isn't a 470, but it looks good. This was prior to all the SF units that are available now. -----Original Message----- From: Tennsgauge@... [mailto:Tennsgauge@...] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:00 PM To: AF336@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel PA diesel body on a AF chassis what is the purpose of doing this? Are you wanting to substitute an AF chassis and motors for a Flyonel? Or are you doing this with a Flyonel dummy unit in order to make it a powered unit? I no longer fool with AF or Flyonel diesels, having converted to AM and SHS, but I am curious as to why someone would make this inquiry. Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31204	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling]

Dear John, S Helper Service's 15th Anniversary Open House Clinics, Refreshments and of course Robin's Famous "Scratch & Dent Sale" Friday June 11th (1 PM to 6 PM) & Saturday 12th (10 AM to 5 PM) 77 Cliffwood Ave, Suite 7C, 7D & 8 Cliffwood, NJ 07721 732-441-0555 Please RSVP Garden State Parkway, Exit 120, turn right on to first traffic light. Turn left on Cliffwood Ave, go back over GSP. After Church, look for first right for Aberdeen Business Center. We are on the right hand side at the end. If parking lot is full, use church lot. Hope to see you there! Don John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > > At my website I am doing a page with train shows or conventions that will >have S participating. > >John Foley >NASG PROMOTIONS >www.nasg.org >NASG, NMRA,TCA >My S Website >http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31205	From: kellstar120	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: 21160

I was wondering something, I picked up a 21160 4-4-2 atlantic at a train show for $20.00. Was that a good price, the train seems ato be in very good shape. The body shell is prefect, no broken steps, runs great, pulls more cars than my 307. I know it has no revse unit but thats oky because I only using it to pull a mixer train on the main line so it does really see any backing up anyway.If I need to backup I can always flip the switch under the cab anyway. Can I except to find more around that price? I wouldn't mind having another backup unit. Pete

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31206	From: jt12313	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear mounting

The screw hole on the rear steps of the flyer baldwins... was it countersunk or flush to the back step platform? I have one Baldwin with a replacement rear step unit and another shell that was countersunk so I don not know. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31207	From: jt12313	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear panel

Is there a replacement rear panel (back of cab with door and windows) available? Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31208	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/15/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting

Jeff asked: >The screw hole on the rear steps of the flyer baldwins... was it >countersunk or flush to the back step platform? It was countersunk, which is why so many Baldwin shells are cracked there. This applies to Gilbert Baldwins. Dunno what Flyonel Baldwins are like. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31209	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting

All: Although the countersinking of the attachment screw contributed to Baldwin cracking, the central source of the problem is the existance of what is called a knit line in the molding at the hole due to how the plastic flowed in filling the mold. A thin coating of machine oil on the screw facilitated environmental stress cracking of the knit line to form a crack. The new Lionel Baldwin shells have no screw in that position because the shell is now attached to chassis at other points and the knit line in that area has been eliminated, as well. Maybe more than one wanted to know, but this is the explanation. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/16/2004 1:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Jeff asked: > > >The screw hole on the rear steps of the flyer baldwins... was it > >countersunk or flush to the back step platform? > > > It was countersunk, which is why so many Baldwin shells are cracked > there. This applies to Gilbert Baldwins. Dunno what Flyonel > Baldwins > are like. > > > Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31210	From: Tim	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: Baldwin rear mounting

All & All, Another point is that the Baldwin shell is about 3/32" (I'm guessing) too long for the chassis, so when the screw is cranked in tight, it splits the shell at the point mentioned. If you come across an original that is not split, either back the screw out a little or do as I do and take the screw out altogether. The shell will just sit on the chassis okay, but be careful when you pick the loco up. I think it's best to always pick up diesels by their truck frames. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... To: jayhoo64@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Baldwin rear mounting All: Although the countersinking of the attachment screw contributed to Baldwin cracking, the central source of the problem is the existance of what is called a knit line in the molding at the hole due to how the plastic flowed in filling the mold. A thin coating of machine oil on the screw facilitated environmental stress cracking of the knit line to form a crack. The new Lionel Baldwin shells have no screw in that position because the shell is now attached to chassis at other points and the knit line in that area has been eliminated, as well. Maybe more than one wanted to know, but this is the explanation. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/16/2004 1:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Jeff asked: > > >The screw hole on the rear steps of the flyer baldwins... was it > >countersunk or flush to the back step platform? > > > It was countersunk, which is why so many Baldwin shells are cracked > there. This applies to Gilbert Baldwins. Dunno what Flyonel > Baldwins > are like. > > > Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31212	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Baldwin rear mounting

Another reason for the screw cracks in Gilbert Baldwin switchers, at least those with with 5 digit reverse units, is that the reverse unit was mounted too high and pressed against the inside of the roof. The reverse unit can be mounted using either of two pairs of screw holes. The factory used the lower pair of screw holes, which mounted the reverse unit in the lhigher position. When I service a Baldwin I usually remount the reverse unit by the upper pair of holes to relieve the pressure on the body screw. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31213	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: JAPAN 'S'

A full set of JAPAN's s-gauge circa 1950's in original box with picture on cover. B-0 DIESEL BATTERY OPERATED 'D'all in NEW CONDITION, FREIGHT CARS ARE IN MINT CONDITION, AND TRACK TOO. cp.=$50.-plus s/h from STONEHAM, MA.02180

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31214	From: trainman634	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Pennsylvania Railroad Decals

I am looking for a source for S-Scale Pennsylvania Railroad decals?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31215	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: new C&O diesel set

A.F. by LIONEL mint condition ALCO DIESEL SET. $285. plus 1/2 off THE s/h costs. BUY NOW @ 781 662-6450 thanks "J"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31216	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Gilbert' -342 switcher

A 0-8-0 switcher with tender in ready to run E= condition..on now at $295. plus s/h from ZC>_02180 thanks 'J" @ 781 662-6450

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31217	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Gilbert's ERECTOR

the RED metal cases some have partial litho decals of 90% present, some have full decals, also a few of the erector tube cases. and more such as motors and erector parts. call @ 781 662-6450 thanks --- have A FLYER day "J"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31218	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: a RED CASE

GILBERT'S ERECTOR sets metal RED cases for immediate sale. some have partial[10%decal loss] some are missing a clasp each is $15.- plus s/h from ZC--02180 @ 781 662-6450. AND MORE ****for sale are the erector set AC motors,and too the ERECTOR parts. ALSO a few empty ERECTOR tube cases w/screw on covers. HAVE A.FLYER day "J" 781 662-6450 THANKS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31219	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: pike master set

A.C.gilbert's AMERICAN FLYER SET NO.20763 in original disply carton. has freight cars; steam loco'with tender and the track and the transformer. all in new conditon.. no rust or dirt build up on it - all is present and well! "J" 781 662-6450 in ZC 02180 STONEHAM, MASS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31220	From: keefer1	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Re: pike master set

Hey,how about listing your for sale stuff in the classified section, or at least put the words for sale in the subject,so I' ll know to delete without having to open the mail. Keith --- polpolk9 <polpolk9@...> wrote: > A.C.gilbert's AMERICAN FLYER SET NO.20763 in > original disply carton. > has freight cars; steam loco'with tender and the > track and the > transformer. all in new conditon.. no rust or dirt > build up on it - > all is present and well! "J" 781 662-6450 > in ZC 02180 > STONEHAM, MASS. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31221	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 16, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31222	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/16/2004
Subject: Huge sale of Gilbert Flyer S items !!!

My friend and fellow Greater Seattle S Gauger, TCA, TTOS Member, Mike Kolosseus, has decided to sell his entire S Gauge Collection. The reasons are known to him only but it is not a fire or quick sale. Mike is a Gilbert - only flyer collector. He has one of the most complete and highest quality collections I have ever seen. He has many of the rare items and many sets in excellent condition. Many of you may have seen his incredible layout in various publications and in video. That layout has been removed and no longer exists. He wants to sell by piece or set but not as lot. He is not on this list Many of you might know Mike from dealings in the past. I went with him to some of the TCA nationals in the late 80's and other west coast meets. He has been to many more than me. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ME OR THE S-TRAINS LIST. Here is the note he sent me last month, he now has a first list up and ready to email out: Greetings, everyone My AF collection is going on the market as separate pieces (not as one lot). For starters, I can e-mail you a Word attachment showing the limited quantity that is now listed and ready to go. If you drop by you can pick the shelves bare of stuff not yet listed and avoid shipping besides. I'm going with the values disclosed in the 2004 Greenburg and 2004 McComas guides. A few things are being held back for the grandkids, plus my son desires some pieces. A couple of real unusual pieces are not in the guides and are not available at this time. This might be the biggest AF sale in the Northwest ever. Mike. Contact info: Michael Kolosseus mkolosseus@... 10121 Evergreen Way 425-337-1486 (weekends and 5-9pm PDT weekdays) PMB #286 TCA # 71-3496 Everett, WA 98204 TTOS# 363 _______________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31223	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: HELP WANTED

The NASG has an immediate need for a membership coordinator. This person would report to the Treasurer and ensure that memberships were issued and membership records be maintained. Please contact one of the board members if you would be interested. Thanks. Roy Hoffman NASG Pres.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31224	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: S At Train Shows

Hi Folks At my website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id19.html I am building a page to list Train Shows Around the Country that will have S Participating. If you have any information on shows please send to me at john.foley16@... John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31225	From: Tim	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Happy, hard 'n shiny wheels

Hi, I had a problem with some Alco pick-up drive wheels collecting crud after only running a couple laps. Here's the "cheapo" solution I did to correct that. I cradled the Alco with the reverse unit locked in either forward or reverse. I connected Alligator Clips to the pick-up shoes and ran the Alco at full throttle off an 8B transformer. I took a very small, very fine jeweler's file and turned the pick-up drive wheels down. I cleaned the file often with Goo-Gone and a clean cloth (a mini-lathe would work wonderfully here, but the wheels would have to be pulled). After that treatment, I took 1200 grit auto-body paper, wrapped it around the jeweler's file and polished the wheels. I thought I could take them a little farther, so I prepared a piece of red oak S-3-S on my jointer and planer, then burnished the wheels down hard. Now they are happy, shiny, hard-surfaced pick-up wheels. I ran them a couple hours around my filthy tack with no crud build-up. It's been said that we have posted everything there was to talk about concerning Flyer repairs. I've been on this list for over three years now and I haven't seen THIS one! :) :) So I not-so-humbly submit that we haven't even begun to discuss Flyer repairs on this list! If you wish to cross-train for Flyer repairs and/or rehabs, I suggest watching "American Chopper" and "The New Yankee Workshop" (I'm not affiliated with either). Hope this helps! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31226	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Moderator Message

1) It is perfectly OK to sell Flyer and S related stuff on this list. 2) Always try to put info in your subject line that will help us know what your note is all about. IE 'Flyer for sale" IE ' EBAY madness' ie 'wireing question' ie 'benchwork questions' 3) NO VIRUS NOTES - Please 4) No polical or religious stuff. 5) Always check the FAQ first before posting a question. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm or the archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages 6) If you have a list related question or problem, send it to me. End of Moderator Message - Resume the fun! ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31227	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Smoke units

Tell us more - mine has been giving me problems. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2004
Subject: ANYONE KNOW???

eBay item 3193853737 (Ends May-23-04 20:24:47 PDT) - Emmett Kelly Jr. Circus Train Ringmaster Bachman NR Anyone know the org. selling price for this item &/or the value today? Thank You, Mike PS: There is one listed in another live auction this weekend with what looks like a 292(?). Hope there is other AF there ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31229	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: OT - FOR SALE - Non Railroad Items

I'd like to move a bunch of 1980's R/C car gear to make way for more railroad stuff. I have a Grasshopper and a Doberman R/C car, an extra Doberman chassis and motor, and a box full of hop up stuff (aluminum shocks, clevises, etc). NO RADIO gear! These have been run, but both of the chasses are in very good shape. The Grasshopper body has been McGivered (repaired with lot's of Duct tape) - the Doberman body is in very good shape. I'd like $60 for the lot and I'll pay shipping - Contact me off-list. THNX for your time. Don Munsey, Jr. dmunsey@... Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31230	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: On Vacation please remove me from list temporarally

Gentlemen, I will be on vacation until 6-1-04 please remove me from the S-list for this time period. Thank you Tom Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31231	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: #14 RECTIFORMER TUBE AD FOR SALE

I have come across a couple of #1237 Sylvania Rectiformer tubes if someone needs one. They are PRICEY>> $55.00 + 3.00 shipping (VERY HARD TO FIND). Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31232	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Photo's

Photo's from Flyer Fest West #5 at San Ramon, Ca. are now posted as well as photo's of my portable layout. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo56 Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31233	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: FOR TRADE

Super Scale Model, 3/16 scale all metal Alco EMC Diesel switcher kit. No power trucks. Trade for SHS freight cars, or what ever. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31234	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: FOR TRADE

Oh yeah, 77-11644! I have LOTS of "whatever"! Let me know! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains]FOR TRADE Super Scale Model, 3/16 scale all metal Alco EMC Diesel switcher kit. No power trucks. Trade for SHS freight cars, or what ever. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31235	From: trainman634	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track

If I mate American Flyer swithches with Gargraves track, how high must the track be raised? Thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31236	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Large Gilbert S & HO Auction

Stout Auctions will be holding a large American Flyer Gilbert S and HO auction on June 12th 2004. There will be many quality items, and many odd items and variations. They will be posting notices and catalogs on their web site very soon. I'll leave a note when they do. Some highlights are: 807 "Painted" White, Full Circus Train with Red Flats and original Loads, 632 LNE Black with all steps. 636 AFL, 636 press wood frame, 336 Northern, 960 series coaches in chrome with super nice chrome and boxes, rare 21105 with Aluminum Drivers, scarce 1958 set with 307 having quick disconnect tender like a 21160, Prestone Set, 314AW with correct controller, Dominoes hopper, WM hopper, 24422 BOX car, 620 Gondola, 21234 with almost perfect original frame, 24558 with original load, EX+ 950 series green heavyweights, many accessories, such as K771, 799, 789, 741 handcar and shed, some duplicated such as 787 log loader, 596 water tank etc. Save your pennies!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31237	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: TAMMY & ERIC'S WEDDING

Here are a few of the pictures. The wedding was beautiful. The day was beautiful. The bride was beautiful but there were no trains running. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TAMMYERIC.html Glenn Ritter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31238	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: How to tell if your layout is working...

Hi, How do you know that you have a pretty good layout? Here are some clues: 1) If you can run your trains at a moderate speed for about an hour or so without a derailment, then you might have a pretty good layout. 2) If people call you up to come see your layout in operation in the "off season", then you might have a pretty good layout (props to Mike Koloseus)! 3) If your wife (or sig other) likes your layout, then you might have a pretty good layout. 4) If Tom Jarcho hates you, then you might have a pretty good layout (okay; you can laugh - oh c'mon now!). 5) If David Dewey can't find his layout after seeing pics of yours, then you might have a pretty good layout. 6) If Paul grills a spotted owl out of angst after visiting your layout, then you might have a pretty good layout. 7) If the S Gaugian wants to sandwich downsized B&W pics of your layout in-between color shots of sponsor's ads, then you might have a pretty good layout. 8) If TCA totally ignores you 'cuz your layout is Flyer, then you might have a pretty good layout. Are there others!!!???!!! Roll 'em! Tim Brown out... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31239	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track

About 36 inches, give or take 8 inches. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: trainman634 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track If I mate American Flyer swithches with Gargraves track, how high must the track be raised? Thanks for the help. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31240	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: A.F. Switches & Gargraves Track

I use AMI Instant Roadbed under the AF and it's about perfect (1/16 - 3/32"?). Dick Aurora, OH At 03:01 PM 5/18/2004, trainman634 wrote: >If I mate American Flyer swithches with Gargraves track, how high must >the track be raised? Thanks for the help. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31241	From: keefer1	Date: 5/18/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...

If your Christmas tree layout stayed up past Confederate Memorial Day.....you might have a nice layout!! --- Tim <Timboy@...> wrote: > Hi, > > How do you know that you have a pretty good layout? > > Here are some clues: > > 1) If you can run your trains at a moderate speed > for about an hour or so without a derailment, then > you might have a pretty good layout. > > 2) If people call you up to come see your layout in > operation in the "off season", then you might have a > pretty good layout (props to Mike Koloseus)! > > 3) If your wife (or sig other) likes your layout, > then you might have a pretty good layout. > > 4) If Tom Jarcho hates you, then you might have a > pretty good layout (okay; you can laugh - oh c'mon > now!). > > 5) If David Dewey can't find his layout after > seeing pics of yours, then you might have a pretty > good layout. > > 6) If Paul grills a spotted owl out of angst after > visiting your layout, then you might have a pretty > good layout. > > 7) If the S Gaugian wants to sandwich downsized B&W > pics of your layout in-between color shots of > sponsor's ads, then you might have a pretty good > layout. > > 8) If TCA totally ignores you 'cuz your layout is > Flyer, then you might have a pretty good layout. > > Are there others!!!???!!! > > Roll 'em! > > Tim Brown out... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31242	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...

You get immediate applause and "Way to go, Gomez!!" from your friends when 2 of your favorite engines collide head on.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31243	From: Tim	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...

Hee. Hee. Hee. Nothing like having your "friends" play chicken with your MIB locos! :) :) Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... To: Timboy@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How to tell if your layout is working... You get immediate applause and "Way to go, Gomez!!" from your friends when 2 of your favorite engines collide head on.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31244	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...

If your club layout is set up at a train show along with 10 others and 80% of the people are bunched up around yours, you may have a good working layout. "LOOK OUT!" 1.e. RMHR Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31245	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: shop around town

he old days of shopping for trains are still at the train meets. many a dad today either hasnt got the time place or money to share a layout with his children. at many train meets father's come with their children and many children get a real quality "good " exposure to the fun with trains .unfortunately train meets do not present the TOY in itself as was the case back in the fifties. today toy trains in that genre of their reality is gone passing.But it I think sis still much alive in ourselves. the children we still are of the 'GOOD OLE'd DAYS'. BUT because of the computer and the clubs such as ;NASG,TCA;TTOS.LOTS and many more the toy train has kept to the technology of the times, NAD WE AS HOBBYIST AND VERY MUCH SENTIMENTAL ABOUT THE REAL TOYS are still in drawing awe to such famous and popular names as was LIONEL and, MARX and THE AMERICAN FLYER. I think that Ebay is another store on the block and to me its a desk top departmnet store. BUT, IF THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE TRAIN MEETS AND THE HOBBY VENDORS WERE NOT AVAILABLE WE WOULD HAVE A DIMIniSHED INTEREST IN THE TOY TRAIN. OUR desk top is is commutor rail to th downtown shoppin around for toy trains and carrying on decent conversation in a great topic--toy trains keeps our imagination actively pursuing and growing in our childhood. it keeps us young in our rockers and in our pc.s' and best to get away to a train meet or visit the hobbys at the hobby shop is"HEALTHY' THING TO DO!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31246	From: John G	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: How to tell if your layout is working...

=> How to tell if your layout is working... When your house cats scramble off the layout when they see you engage the throttle lever on the 30B transformer! John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31247	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: HOLIDAY SHOPPING

GETTING A HEAD START THIS YEAR. LOOKIN NOW BEFORE THE GAS GOES UP IN SEPTEMBER----THINKING TO PICK UP A STEAMER--MAYBE A 0-8-0. flyer made a little one. It caught my eye up in JORDAN MARSH"S toy dept.The DIesels drink up the oil, so I figure go with the coal burners. I'll jot over to the E INTERCHANGE never can tell what you'll find there. one thing though this here computer saves on gas. didnt get any today and wont tommorrow ---just sticking to the program--i might be on thelookout for a handcar. now its a perfect stocking stuffer for mike & andy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31248	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/19/2004
Subject: Re: Happy, hard 'n shiny wheels

>I thought I could take them a little farther, so I prepared a piece of red oak S-3-S on my jointer and planer, then >burnished the wheels down hard. Tim, Could you elaborate? What is S-3-S? Thanks, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31249	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Restringing a 944 Brownhoist

Hi, Can any one tell me where to find directions, hopefully with pictures, on how to restring the boom & hooks on a 944 Industrial Brownhoist (Crane Car). I'm sitting here with the car, 2 strings and a beer. I keep sipping the beer but the restringing isn't getting any clearer. Suggestions? Thanks Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31250	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Restringing a 944 Brownhoist

Hi; Have another sip of beer, I hope it's root beer!! Then go here......... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm Vin wjwagner2002 <wjwagner@...> wrote:To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: "wjwagner2002" Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 02:06:31 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Restringing a 944 Brownhoist Hi, Can any one tell me where to find directions, hopefully with pictures, on how to restring the boom & hooks on a 944 Industrial Brownhoist (Crane Car). I'm sitting here with the car, 2 strings and a beer. I keep sipping the beer but the restringing isn't getting any clearer. Suggestions? Thanks Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31251	From: galy95	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: operating stockyard cancelled

Does anyone know why Lionel cancelled the AF #771 operating stockyard?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31252	From: Tim	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled

The question is, does big, ponderous LIONEL know why they canceled their own production run of the stockyard? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: galy95 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] operating stockyard cancelled Does anyone know why Lionel cancelled the AF #771 operating stockyard? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31253	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled

Because they SUCK!!!!! galy95 <pgallipo@...> wrote: Does anyone know why Lionel cancelled the AF #771 operating stockyard? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31254	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/20/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled

Could it be that there just wasn't much interest in this piece? I have gotten the impression that there are plenty of the original Gilbert stockyards to supply those who want one. Just a thought... Chuck A.C Gilbert Catalogs Online http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31255	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List

AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS FOR SALE Additions to this train list were last made on 5/17/04 Here is the latest list. As I unpack and grade another couple of boxes, more items will be added allowing a fresh list to be created twice a month. I will send you the updates. Send payment to: e-mail, phone and memberships: Michael Kolosseus mkolosseus@... 10121 Evergreen Way 425-337-1486 (weekends and 5-9pm PDT weekdays) PMB #286 TCA # 71-3496 Everett, WA 98204 TTOS# 363 Shipping Terms. Shipping and insurance by UPS ground service is a flat $12 regardless of the amount or weight of your order! If you wish an expedited delivery, send a certified check or money order. If you pay the cost, I will ship by air. Reservations are gladly accepted by e-mail or phone. Reservations will be held 10 days awaiting your payment. Merchandise will be shipped after your personal check clears. If a refund is due, it will be sent at that time. All trains are fully insured for your purchase price. If damages occur, you will need to file a claim. Retain all packing materials along with broken parts and pieces. UPS will want to inspect it. If you are unsatisfied with your purchase, contact me right away. If I made a mistake perhaps it can be corrected. If not, your money will be refunded upon return of the merchandise. Grading. MINT (M): Brand new, absolutely unmarred, all original and unused. LIKE NEW (LN): Free of blemishes, nicks or scratches; original condition throughout; very little sign of use. EXCELLENT (Ex): Minute nicks or scratches: no dents or rust. VERY GOOD (VG): Few scratches, exceptionally clean, no dents or rust. GOOD (G): Scratches small dents dirty. FAIR (F): Scratched, chipped, dented rusted or warped condition. POOR (P): Beat up junk condition, some useable parts. My grading describes the condition after noting specific defects that should not be present at that grade. For example, a plastic box car with only a few light scratches would be excellent. If this item had some rust on the trucks, it will be described as �rusty trucks. Ex�. The grading standards allows for minor pieces to be missing on excellent items. I will make every effort to discover and note this such as a missing brake wheel on that plastic box car. The same holds true for replacement parts. Likewise, I�ll identify restored items. Some of the trains have not been operated in decades. A good cleaning and lubricating is necessary before layout use. Since most operators can handle this on their own and many shelf collectors are not concerned about operating qualities, I have chosen to hold prices down on each locomotive and sell them �as is� with respect to operating qualities. Items are test run at my bench and if they do not operate, this will be disclosed along with sticky reverse units and failure of smoke units to function. Also, I will note axle wobble (worn bushings) on diesels. Cardboard boxes have all their flaps, but packing slips and original wrapping paper will not be present unless noted. Any breakage, such as pilot steps on plastic locos or steps on hopper cars will be identified on pieces graded at G or above. Unless otherwise noted, decals and stickers are at least 98% complete on Ex, 90% on VG and 70% on G rated items. Pricing I am using the 2004 pricing guides by Greenberg and by McComas. Where their values differ, I split the difference. Most items are priced at or slightly below average guide prices. AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN LIST AF# Description Grade Price SETS 53067 Silver Bullet 4-6-2 satin finish, decals 90%. Light rust on tender, not smoking, no breakage, loco grade G, 2-655 satin coaches grade VG G/VG 400 5580H SF A-B-A w/ 4cars, locos have metal steps, Built by Gilbert grade VG, 960, 962, 962, & 963 red stripes grade Ex except 963 tail scratches VG/Ex 850 5685RH NP A-B-A w/5 streamlined cars,.490, 491 & 493 are Ex, 900 VG, 901 Ex, 902 VG+, 902 VG+, 903.VG except for 3/8 by 1/8 paint blister under drumhead, reverse unit sticky VG/Ex 2500 20710 21209 B+M F-9, square steps, 25081 NYC Hay ejector box w/bales, trip, envelope, instructions, 24329 hooker chemical 24636AFL caboose (white crud on wheels) set box, insert cardboard damaged, instructions, no track or transformer LN 325 LOCOMOTIVES 283 CNW AFL 4-6-2, sticky reverse Ex 85 283 CNW AFL 4-6-2 Ex 90 316 PRR 4-6-2, sticky reverse VG 250 326 NYC 4-6-4, no whistle, large motor VG+ 200 342AC NPR 0-8-0, large lettering, chipped headlight visor, not smoking, sticky reverse VG+ 300 371 GM GP-7, 75 frame with horn Ex+ 250 466 Comet A unit, rubber stamp lettering variation, no nose decal or horn VG 250 21004 PRR 0-6-0, w/ reverse unit cover Ex+ 400 21155 0-6-0 Docksider, black amateur repaint, runs fine forward and poorly in reverse, no lettering Ex 200 21156 0-6-0 Docksider Ex+ 350 21160 Reading 4-4-2 VG 25 A-A MP Alcos 21922&21922-1, plastic steps Ex 1000 MP Alcos 21922&21922-1, plastic steps VG+ 800 21573 NH electric, glossy black, some pantograph rust, sticky reverse VG+ 425 21808 CNW switcher, manual reverse, screw hole crack Ex 120 PASSENGER CARS 652 Pikes Peak coach, maroon VG 150 652 pikes Peak coach maroon, 952 frame, KC trucks, rust on wheel axels, several discoloration spots on roof Ex 100 652 Pullman, red painted, long trucks 1947, frame warp VG+ 300 652 Pullman, red painted, long trucks 1947, frame warp G+ 225 955 AFL coach, red, w/o silhouettes VG 75 set 4 NH orange stripe, w/repro boxes, combine and obs have metal name plates, coach and vd have plastic, 960, 961 & 962 Ex, 963 VG+ --- 800 set 4 MP cars, 24856 combine, 24859 coach, 24863 vd, 24866 obs, blue stripes not thru doors, all cars grade same Ex 1800 FREIGHT CARS 627 CNW girder flat 1946 girder is G, flat is unpainted gray, slight warp, rust on straps Ex 140 630 Reading caboose metal frame G 8 631 T&P gondola, green painted KC conversion Ex 20 633 B&O box tuscan with white sides, with box LN 70 634 CNW floodlight 1947 warp in plastic VG+ `40 639 AF reefer lemon yellow painted (color is a close match to Katy box yellow) Ex++ 50 642 AF reefer tuscan G+ 15 642 Seaboard box G 11 715 operating flat cars w/o loads, trips or buttons black, red and blue G 15 black, red and yellow G 10 F 5 black, red and yellow, KC conversion G 10 715/915 vehicle loads only, no breakage unless noted Tootsietoy racer, 2 dashboard gauges, rubber tires blue #3 Ex+ 75 yellow #7 VG 50 Manoil coupe, silver grill and bumpers green body Ex+ 150 blue body VG 100 Manoil coupe, silver hood, roof, and trunk blue and silver Ex+ 70 Manoil coupe, solid one color blue VG 40 red Ex+ 70 red repaint Ex 30 green, probable restored repaint Ex 30 910 Gilbert chemical Ex 270 911 C&O gondola, w/ racks, silver pipes & clips Ex 40 912 Koppers chemical Ex 85 915 Renwal red and silver gas truck, no flat car VG 60 915 Renwal yellow and silver gas truck, no flat car Ex 100 915 unloading car, yellow, red & black, no load F 5 916 D&H gondola w/5 VG canisters, car is graded: Ex+ 25 920 Southern gondola Ex 27 921 CB&Q hopper Ex+ 35 922 GAEX box, painted stripe Ex 45 926 Gulf tank Ex+ 65 (928) C&NW log flat, gray diecast, w/load VG 25 928 NH log, plastic, w/logs, loose straps VG 30 929 MP stock Ex+ 38 930 AFL caboose, tuscan Ex 35 930 AF caboose, red G 15 933 B&O box, Tuscan and white LN 60 935 AFL bay window caboose Ex 95 957 Eire action box, some rust, inside mechanism has lost its shine Ex 140 971 SP operating lumber w/load and men, restoration lumber sticks, slight rust VG+ 125 988 ART reefer, rust on door guides Ex 115 24048 M&StL box Ex+ 150 24066 L&N box, white core, no brake wheel EX+ 300 24422 GN reefer, unpainted green plastic G 12 24103 N&W gondola, KC G+ 10 24106 PRR gondola, tuscan painted Ex 80 24310 Gulf tank G+ 10 24321 Deep Rock tank no handrails, 1 broken step KC G+ 40 24321 Deep Rock tank no handrails, 1 broken step KC VG 50 24322 Gulf tank, one-part tank G+ 35 24323 Bakers Chocolate tank gray ends Ex+ 340 24324 Hooker tank VG+ 110 24325 Gulf tank, solid tank G+ 10 24550 Monon flat w/load Ex+ 85 24556 Rock Island flat w/stakes wheel holder &wheels (broken tab on holder) G 25 24557 Tootsietoy jeeps no flat car (correct for loads) olive drab (1 only) VG 50 red (1 only), no breakage F 25 24558 CP Xmas flat with trees, some flocking loose Ex+ 360 24631 AFL caboose, KC Ex+ 35 24619 AFL bay window caboose Ex+ 120 25042 Eire action box, missing brake wheel Ex+ 220 ACCESSORIES Electrical wires from the accessories to control buttons, switch controllers, track and transformers are present but almost always less than their original length. All light bulbs work 8B 100w transformer, wood/metal handle VG 25 8B 100w transformer, plastic handle VG 25 17B 190w transformer Ex 75 19B 300w transformer w/jewels VG 100 19B 300w transformer w/jewels, dead man controls remain on when throttle is released Ex 110 22 Scenery gravel w/bag, small amount may have leaked out, bag worn with small holes (have 2) VG 15 31 Railroad signs w/8 correct VG signs w/o insert w/Ex+ box VG 150 163 Flyerville station all there except for light & roof �Flyerville� sign, w/�Chiclet� sign Ex 250 274 Harbor Jct freight station, red trim Ex+ 225 275 Eureka Diner �blue diner� w/box Ex+ 225 584 Bell danger signal LN 950 589 Passenger station, green roof, 2 loose windows w/box factory variation base has holes predrilled to become 755 Ex+ 200 696 Track trip (several available) VG 10 696 Track trip, slight rust VG 8 697 Pressure track trip G 10 700 Straight track, lot of 12 pieces (several lots available) VG 10 706 Uncoupler, green housing, w/button, (have several) LN 6 706 Uncoupler, green housing, wires soldered to button (have several) Ex 5 700/726 track section with 726 cut away to accommodate 706 available for $1 extra with each 706 purchased VG 1 720A Single switch controller, without switch (have several) Ex 12 720A Single switch controller, without switch (have several) VG 9 720A Pair remote control switches, with controller, fahnstock clip for wires (have two pair) VG+ 40 720A Pair remote control switches, with controller, fahnstock clip for wires VG 35 720A Pair remote control switches, with controller, colored dots by binding posts, with box, missing cardboard inserts Ex 50 720A as above without box VG+ 35 as above VG 30 726 Straight rubber roadbed, your choice of black wide tie, black narrow tie or gray (gray has usual discoloration) some pieces have slight layout paint on edges sold in lots of 12 sections (many lots available) Ex 25 726 Straight rubber roadbed, gray repainted black some pieces have slight layout paint on edges sold in lots of 12 sections (several lots available) VG 20 727 Curved rubber roadbed, see 726 for options, not repainted Ex 17 727 as above but repainted black VG 14 730 Bumper, green (have several) Ex 20 730 Bumper, green (have several) VG 15 730 Bumper, green G 10 730 Bumper, red slight damage by track clip Ex 110 743 Street lamp set of 3 Ex 25 748 Footbridge bluish silver no sign that decal was ever present Ex+ 75 754 Double trestle bridge, w/bulb, base underside has paint rub off �� by 2�, w/box Ex 250 758A Sam the Semaphore man gray base, plastic tool box, black roof, rainbow wire from button to semaphore has been cut (have 2) Ex 90 761 AFL semaphore, dark green, w/2 697 trips VG w/caution tag w/box Ex 120 761 AFL semaphore, light green w/2 697 trips VG w/caution tag w/box Ex+ 120 761 AFL semaphore, light green slight rust Ex 60 761 AF semaphore light green unpainted metal base plate under electrical box replaced with cardboard Ex 60 767 Branford diner, unpainted plastic, w/box EX+ 150 768 Oil supply depot, Shell tanks w/box LN 140 769 Rotating aircraft beacon gray lamp housing w/rotating top Ex 50 772 Checkerboard water tower gray painted base, metal shack Ex+ 150 772 Water tower, red tank, gray base Ex+ 100 773 Oil derrick red, some warpage in base and platform Ex 130 774 Floodlight tower metal house gray platform 2-tier lights Ex 95 774 Floodlight tower metal house gray platform 2-tier lights w/box Ex+ 110 774 Floodlight tower black lights in 4 corners, ladder warp Ex+ 85 789 Baggage smasher, repro man, wrong control button EX+ 275 23026 Service Kit complete with insert and instructions components have some use w/box Ex 25 23743 Track maintenance car w/figure, inserts, instructions, & box light rust on motor Ex+ 175 23780 Gabe the lamplighter, dark green base, control wires cut very short on both button and accessory EX+ 800 23796 Sawmill, complete with extra repro lumber sticks, w/ instructions, box insert and box LN 350 26752 remote uncoupler w/track, button, instructions, box LN 15 27441 18v red lamps w/box M 20 Electrical wires from the accessories to control buttons, switch controllers, track and transformers are present but almost always less than their original length. MISCELLANEOUS: 1 � section of curved track installed in � section black wide tie roadbed, lot of 6 pieces VG $6 2 as above with straight track and roadbed VG $10 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31256	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Modeling 1900 - 1910 range

Well, if one wants to model this date range... then I dare say most of the great Gilbert steam is not quite appropriate. 4-4-0's seem more common, and that was not one of Gilbert's strengths - coming later in the life of AF yielding lower quality than say a 326. Any high quality 4-4-0's out there for S? What about that vintage passenger and freight cars? Lower right pic here is a Michigan Central box car... http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Pictures/Albums/001-010/PhotoAlbum09.htm Again lower right pic is a MC 4-4-0 pulling a freight... http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Pictures/Albums/011-020/PhotoAlbum14.htm TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31257	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled

Is it also possible that the reason is that this accessory won't work with O gauge? There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@...> To: "galy95" <pgallipo@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] operating stockyard cancelled > Because they SUCK!!!!! > > galy95 <pgallipo@...> wrote: Does anyone know why Lionel cancelled the AF #771 operating > stockyard? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31258	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: operating stockyard cancelled

In a message dated 5/21/04 9:23:53 AM, cesmith@... writes: << Is it also possible that the reason is that this accessory won't work with O gauge? >> I am fairly sure that the reason for the cancelation is the most obvious -- there is an abundance of original Gilbert stockyards available at very modest prices. The preorders on this item from dealers were, accordingly, very low. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31259	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: #336 whistle

the 4-8-4 whistle in the steamers tender is missinglooks at the past times of it were under repair and thats why it s wiring is cut out. I cant find a wiring schematic for it . does some one have one i could use or can email instruction about re wiring it. thanks greatly and as I will be selling the 336 upon fixing it you in return with appreciation wil get a private opportunity to buy it if you want it. thanks "J" 781 662-6450 tca51238

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31260	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: "Custom Model Railroads" Turn Table

Attn groups, For those of us interested in a very nice S scale turn-table... I just got a reply from Jeff over at "Custom Model Railroads" (www.cmrtrain.com) about their HO and N Turntables... I asked if they could "custom built" one in S, and here's the reply : > Yes you can get a custom built S scale turntable, it would run about > $1500.00. We can also put S scale track on one of our HO turntables, if > it is long enough, for a lot less money. > > Jeff Springer > jeff@... > 410-889-0010 So I'm thinking that if we flood this guy with requests, maybe we can convince him to produce a readily availible S turn-table instead of just a custom-built item. CHARGE!!! John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31261	From: stepdad56	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Large S & HO Auction - Update

You can view a list of the S & HO items that will be in Stouts catalog by clicking this link. http://home.comcast.net/~jrobbie99/AFFSALE.XLS Save your pennies, there are a ton of very nice items on the block June 12.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31262	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: S Gauge Turntable

Jeff Springer wrote: > Yes you can get a custom built S scale turntable, it would run about > $1500.00. We can also put S scale track on one of our HO turntables, if > it is long enough, for a lot less money. > > Jeff Springer > jeff@... > 410-889-0010 And how is this a "lot less money" than spending $375 for a Bowser RTR 30 inch S gauge turntable? Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31263	From: firex43	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Happy, hard & shiny wheels

Another method that I have used with great results involves using a Dremel tool or equivalent with Dremel wire brushes 405 or 443. If you are cleaning diesel pick up wheels, remove the sideframe and either move the armature by hand or spin under low speed while applying the wire brush at speed to polish and clean the wheel treads. For non powered pick up wheels as above remove sideframe of diesel truck and then hold the opposite wheel while applying the wire wheel at speed and allow the pick up wheelset to rotate by way of the applied wire brush. I find this may keep the stress on powered trucks to a minimum while cleaning the pick up wheel treads. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31264	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Happy, hard & shiny wheels

That's a great technique for cleaning and polishing the wheels! However, several people seem to have missed my point. My point was to put a new, harder surface on the wheels by filing them down and burnishing them. Appears to have worked for me and I wanted to share it, but to each their own! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: firex43 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Happy, hard & shiny wheels Another method that I have used with great results involves using a Dremel tool or equivalent with Dremel wire brushes 405 or 443. If you are cleaning diesel pick up wheels, remove the sideframe and either move the armature by hand or spin under low speed while applying the wire brush at speed to polish and clean the wheel treads. For non powered pick up wheels as above remove sideframe of diesel truck and then hold the opposite wheel while applying the wire wheel at speed and allow the pick up wheelset to rotate by way of the applied wire brush. I find this may keep the stress on powered trucks to a minimum while cleaning the pick up wheel treads. John Keating S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31265	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: What's on your workbench?

I've just posted a mockup of my latest idea - a Mack-like railbus for my Sn42 Sinking Creek Tie & Timber Co workers/passengers. The photo is in Paul Yorke's photo gallery. Here's the URL: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo52 Comments or suggestions? don Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31266	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Turn Table

I had looked at this a few weeks ago. Two links of AF track is 20 inches. It was suggested that this 20 inches for the turntable probably would not be long enough. A better length might be 24 inches. You would need abouot the same length for staging between the turntable and the roundhouse. Aslo youo would need at least 24 inches inside the roundhouse. If my math is good, this is 72 inches, or six feet. I suspect that this 72 inch length plus some for the spur to the turntable by 24 to 36 inches in width is why more of this group does not have truntables. This is the space factor that hurts. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31268	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Work Bench Photo

Someone ask "what is on your work bench". Well, here is a photo of many things on the work bench, as it does have some AF on it too! O:)! Mike Marmer http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Mike+Marmer&.src=gr&.dnm=Work+Bench.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Mike%2bMarmer%26.src=gr%26.view=t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31269	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Work Bench Photo

Hey, Who wuz that who sed, "Who wuz that" when I sed,"Who wuz that"! There are animal eyes looking at me what animal eyes I am trying to avoid! Very 'Gelical! Don't even... Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Work Bench Photo Someone ask "what is on your work bench". Well, here is a photo of many things on the work bench, as it does have some AF on it too! O:)! Mike Marmer http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/Mike+Marmer&.src=gr&.dnm=Work+Bench.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/Mike%2bMarmer%26.src=gr%26.view=t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31270	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Work Bench Photo

I sent this picture to a "Page a Day Cat Calendar" for the purpose of telling others to be careful where a cat can go, as the door to the laundry area, where this bench is, is normally closed. As you can see, Kitty got in and proceeded to make herself comfortable on the exposed track, with the metal ties and track pins, which could poke something. Plus, all the other things on the work bench, like a can of nails, WD-40, powder wood putty, tall black bottle of liquid rust remover, etc.! The photo got ejected! She probably was lying against that exposed track before I came in. So I got the camera! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31271	From: Tim	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Re: Work Bench Photo

Routine day! Puuuuuurrrrrrrfect! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Work Bench Photo I sent this picture to a "Page a Day Cat Calendar" for the purpose of telling others to be careful where a cat can go, as the door to the laundry area, where this bench is, is normally closed. As you can see, Kitty got in and proceeded to make herself comfortable on the exposed track, with the metal ties and track pins, which could poke something. Plus, all the other things on the work bench, like a can of nails, WD-40, powder wood putty, tall black bottle of liquid rust remover, etc.! The photo got ejected! She probably was lying against that exposed track before I came in. So I got the camera! Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31272	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: Flyonel State of Maine Boxcar question

Ladies and Gentlemen: First of all, let me thank everyone for the responses to my last question. I appreciate the help. Now let me move on to my next questions. A couple of years ago I bought six Flyonel State of Maine boxcars, bodies only. Evidently stock never built at Lionel. I subsequently got the floor pans, doors and door guides. Next comes the trucks and here's the question, which trucks are correct? I have Flyonel with sintered iron trucks and some with the plastic pierced trucks that have the coil spring couplers. Anyone know the timeline when Lionel stopped using the sintered iron ones and went to the plastic? If so which side of the timeline do these colorful boxcars fall on? If I need to get the plastic trucks, anyone know a source? I always admired the original flyer boxcar but never bought one. These six repros will make a nice part to any consist on the rails. Regards, Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31273	From: Keith O	Date: 5/21/2004
Subject: AF 647 947 Reefer

Hi Everyone, I was enjoying the many photographs posted by fellow S Gaugers. I came upon Gilbert Meeting - York 2003. Photos # 10 and 11 of 28 show what I believe to be original AF S Gauge artwork. It's difficult to see but I believe there are photos of a number 947 Northern Pacific Reefer. I believe I own the car that was used in this photograph, if it is the 1953 catalog artwork. If someone could explain how I can link jpg's of this car on this site (I noticed attachments are deleted by Yahoo) or if someone knows who owns those two photos (#10 & 11 of 28), I would like to learn more about my car. In short, it's a 647 Reefer with no yin-yang on one side and a hand-painted yin-yang on the other side. Both 6's in the numbering have been scratched away and on the hand-painted yin-yang side the 6's are painted into a 9 to make it a 947. These two features can be seen in the early 1953 catalogs. In the same catalogs some of the other 600 series freight cars have their 6's changed into 9's also. Any help or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Although I don't participate much, I do enjoy and learn much from reading everyone's postings. Best to all. Keith Olmanni [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31274	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Re: Turn Table

See http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=5 for my Portlines 24" TT and roundhouse. 24" is long enough for a 4-8-4. Dick Aurora, OH At 07:09 PM 5/21/2004, A.E. Johnson wrote: >I had looked at this a few weeks ago. Two links of AF track is 20 inches. >It was suggested that this 20 inches for the turntable probably would not >be long enough. A better length might be 24 inches. You would need abouot >the same length for staging between the turntable and the roundhouse. Aslo >youo would need at least 24 inches inside the roundhouse. If my math is >good, this is 72 inches, or six feet. I suspect that this 72 inch length >plus some for the spur to the turntable by 24 to 36 inches in width is why >more of this group does not have truntables. This is the space factor that >hurts. > >bigfoot > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31275	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Brick Buildings Update

Hi Gang, Just an update on the new Back Alley series. The structures are true to S-scale. We measured the real world as we always do. Hand laid each brick for a rustic human charactor. The grout lines are deep so they are easy to color for realism. The surprise is that we will start shipping the Back Alley number 1 next Tuesday for sure. It probably will take about a week to get the early reserved kits sent out. The loading dock kits and the Back Alley number 2 should be on the web site in about 3 weeks or so. Number 2 will be just a bit later era, but still brick. We have been having so much fun with this series, that S is in for a real surprise. We also have a few secret projects in the works that sprang from the brick castings. Happy Railroading and have a nice week-end, Keith and the Pine Canyon Team. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31276	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel State of Maine Boxcar question

In a message dated 5/21/04 10:57:43 PM, romoyer@... writes: << A couple of years ago I bought six Flyonel State of Maine boxcars, bodies only. Evidently stock never built at Lionel. I subsequently got the floor pans, doors and door guides. Next comes the trucks and here's the question, which trucks are correct? >> The newer 1990s style trucks with the openings in the frames are correct. These are die-cast, by the way, not plastic. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31277	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /647_947.jpg Uploaded by : s_trains <s_trains@...> Description : Any help or feedback would be greatlAF 647 947 Reefer - Any help appreciated. Keith Olmanni atrains at qwest.net You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/647_947.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, s_trains <s_trains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31278	From: firex43	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: Steel Rivets for 24222

Need help, looking for steel rivets that are used on 24222 Domino Sugar hopper or other late 5 digit hopper. Current repro rivets are too short to flare/peen and hold PM truck on the car.Need several for repair. Please contact me off list. Thank you, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31279	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/22/2004
Subject: barrells of fun

LIOFLY no.4-2300 BARRELL LOADER mob $89.00 plus s/h from zc02180tca 51238 "J" area code 781 662-6450

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31280	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Uncoupler Photos Posted

Hello all, I've just finished restoring another batch of automatic uncouplers and have installed them on the layout. I've posted some photos at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album82 Check them out and while you're there check out the rest of my photos and those of our other S-friends! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31281	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

So green -> yellow just means "as-is" vs "restored"??? Trying to understand what this effort is achieving. PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31282	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

Boy Bull,.....you must do a LOT of un-coupling!!!! ;^)> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31283	From: Tim	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

Hi, I like to see someone do that. I noticed you are laying your track down on foam. How are you securing the track/roadbed to the foam? Thanks, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Uncoupler Photos Posted Hello all, I've just finished restoring another batch of automatic uncouplers and have installed them on the layout. I've posted some photos at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album82 Check them out and while you're there check out the rest of my photos and those of our other S-friends! BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31284	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > So green -> yellow just means "as-is" vs "restored"??? > > Trying to understand what this effort is achieving. > > PM The uncouplers were originally yellow or green. I thought the yellow looked better, so I "restored" them all back to yellow. BTW - I thought about it for a while before using the word "restored" as it means very different things to different people. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31285	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

Tim, I'm securing the track to the foam using 1 - 1/4" 3d galvanized finish nails, two per metal tie. The turn outs are secured using 2" 6d galvanized finish nails, three per turn out. I paint the heads of the nails with flat black paint to match the ties and they "disappear". BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Hi, > > I like to see someone do that. I noticed you are laying your track down on foam. How are you securing the track/roadbed to the foam? > > Thanks, > Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31286	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Foam subroadbed

Hi, I, like you are using foam for the table top over 5/8ths pressed board. The foam is 1" thick and blue in color. The problem I am having is that the foam won't hold staples or nails very well if at all. Are different foams more dense and hold tacks, staples or nails better? Any idea? I'm using the screen and plaster method to make embankments, etc and the foam is making it very difficult to staple the screen down. I'm a little disappointed on the way the foam is/is not working out. But it's too late at this point to change it out. When you are securing your track are you going all the way down to the table top? If so, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the foam? (Sound deadening?) Thanks, Dane C. LaBarr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31287	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"adly "S"ilently.....

Ed has a good point. In my time as a active volunteer at the NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM (NTTM), I talked to many peole when not working in the shop. Lots of men, particularly, were intending to "unpack and set-up" their boyhood trains when they retired. I almost always discouraged that line of thinking, asking that they instead, go home, get them out and enjoy them now. Share them with the family, friends, enjoy the memories themselves. My reasoning, one of my train buddies is being buried this Thursday morning, age 56. His boxes of trains will not do him any good in retirement. We need to share this hobby and enjoy the many facets of it. Above all, putting off the fun frequently doesn't work out well. Jim Lyle, Livin' on the Keystone Main, playing with trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"adly "S"ilently.....

ED.... I agree wholeheartedly.... That's why I am playing now and have been for years.... I am now reaching the point where I feel my toys are more important than WORK ( SORRY FOR USING A DIRTY 4 LETTER WORD ON THE CHAT LINE!!!! )... BOB RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <Loizeaux@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <YF101@...>; <JASTRAINS@...> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"adly "S"ilently..... > Ed has a good point. In my time as a active volunteer at the NATIONAL TOY > TRAIN MUSEUM (NTTM), I talked to many peole when not working in the shop. Lots > of men, particularly, were intending to "unpack and set-up" their boyhood > trains when they retired. I almost always discouraged that line of thinking, > asking that they instead, go home, get them out and enjoy them now. Share them > with the family, friends, enjoy the memories themselves. My reasoning, one of > my train buddies is being buried this Thursday morning, age 56. His boxes of > trains will not do him any good in retirement. > We need to share this hobby and enjoy the many facets of it. Above all, > putting off the fun frequently doesn't work out well. > Jim Lyle, > Livin' on the Keystone Main, playing with trains > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31289	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted

BULL.... Silly comment... the foam reduces sound.... but the nails transfer them to the wood.... ergo loud sound..... I am using plywood with fiber board covering... then I use rubber roadbed... that holds the track... then small 3/4" nails into the fiber... works pretty good... I have moved this layout and stood it on its side with very little coming loose... Bob....RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Uncoupler Photos Posted > Tim, > > I'm securing the track to the foam using 1 - 1/4" 3d galvanized > finish nails, two per metal tie. The turn outs are secured using 2" > 6d galvanized finish nails, three per turn out. I paint the heads of > the nails with flat black paint to match the ties and > they "disappear". > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I like to see someone do that. I noticed you are laying your track > down on foam. How are you securing the track/roadbed to the foam? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim Brown > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31290	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31291	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......

Well,... I need to pack up my little Easter layout and get back on my "Old Timey" layout!! While at Target today, buying a new pool for my little "sweetheart".... I found a '32 Ford (Delivery Truck I think they call it) by Hot Wheels. I'll give it a new paint job and paint the rims. The scale may be a little off compared to my other vehicles but ,..oh well! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46/32_Ford_by_Hot_Wheels Hot Wheels makes a lot of these '32 Fords....and for under a buck, not a bad price! I do like the sailor girl on the top, hate to take her off!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Racing Champions vs. Hot Wheels '32 Ford

Here's a photo of the two together. Some RC's are 1/61, 1/58 (if my memory serves me right!) HW's are supposed to be CLOSE to 1/64 ..give or take a little!! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46/32_Fords_Racing_Champions_vs_Hot_Wheels [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31293	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: BIcentennial haulers S-SCALE

the commerative 18wheelrs in patrotic USA. RED- WHITE- BLUE lithoed in NEW HAMSHIRE"s STaTe logo, in Massachusetts StatE logo, in RHODE ISLAND StatE logo. et cet of big script 1776-1976. AND detailed with swinging box doors. valves and other typical details. $21.-- each plus s/h from zc 02180 thanks "J" TCA51238

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31294	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Flyonel

Anyone have a good inexpensive source for two 2004 Flyonel cars: Nestles tank car and Campbells Soup tank car. Thanks. Ed in Fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31295	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: Foam subroadbed

Dane, Defer to you and what you want to us the foam for. Generally speaking, though, foam is not necessarily for sound-deadening but for ease of constructions. Re laying track, you may wish to glue cork to the foam first and then attach the track to the cork, either with small nails or adhersive or both. Nails won't work well in foam by themselves. If you are using foam, forget the screen and plaster scenery. Work directly with the foam, painting it with acrylics/water-based paint. You can use lightweight acrylic spackle to fill in the gaps. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31296	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......

Rick wrote: >Hot Wheels makes a lot of these '32 Fords....and for under a buck, Mattel has been cranking out the Ford "Tudor" (two-door) casting since 1988. It's definitely a favorite with collectors and kids alike. There must be close to a dozen different versions of it. The original is here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo01/5631HWFORDTUDOR Hot Wheels offers several other "oldie" castings that could be used on steam or trans-era layouts, with some "reverse customizing", of course. Yep, under $1 ain't bad at all! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31297	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/23/2004
Subject: Re: "Old Timey" layout vehicles......

***(((Mattel has been cranking out the Ford "Tudor" (two-door) casting since 1988. It's definitely a favorite with collectors and kids alike. There must be close to a dozen different versions of it.)))*** Yep Chuck,....I have a few of them on display! And probably a few different ones packed away!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31298	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: 470 problem

My 470's rear motor stopped running yesterday. I have checked the wiring, thinking that the motor lead had come loose. It was fine. I traced all of the othe wires. They are fine. I disassembled the motor, cleaned, checked the brushes, checked the e unit, oiled and greased and reassembled. It did not work. I may need to adjust the screws that keep the parts from rubbing. That does not appear to be the problem. Does anyone have a suggestion? Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31299	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: Re: 470 problem

Hello Clifford......I hope you have an electrical meter. It sounds like an open circuit somewhere in the motor. It could be a number of things, like an armature winding, field winding or perhaps just a wire that has broken inside its insulation. If the motor does turn freely, this will be most likely the problem. You will have to troubleshoot this by unsoldering the wires from the reverser to the motor to check for continuity back thru the motor. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Manning" <clifma19@...> To: "S-Train" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 470 problem > My 470's rear motor stopped running yesterday. I have checked the > wiring, thinking that the motor lead had come loose. It was fine. I > traced all of the othe wires. They are fine. I disassembled the motor, > cleaned, checked the brushes, checked the e unit, oiled and greased and > reassembled. It did not work. I may need to adjust the screws that keep > the parts from rubbing. That does not appear to be the problem. > > Does anyone have a suggestion? > > Clifford Manning > Topeka, Ks > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31300	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: CAUTION

I just got an email claiming to be from PayPal. DELETE and do NOT click on the link. It is infested with Trojans...I am on a Mac and it didn't hurt me and Norton picked it up anyways. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31301	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: '32 Ford repaint

I did a 'quickie' paint job on that '32 Hot Wheels Ford. And added a MTH (or Railking, I can't remember!) figure. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albuo46/32_Ford_repaint Once at this link, hit the back button to see the before shot. Hit the forward button to find a photo of the car apart. Rick "I got Super-Glue all over my thumb" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31302	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/24/2004
Subject: Re: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List

Fellow Listers: A little note on Mike Kolosseus's sale of his collection. I was up there Sunday to see and buy. The list does not do the sheer quantity justice. The list is probably 5-10 percent of what he has. If you have seen the pictures or videos of his layout (and wall shelves) over the years you get the idea of the size of area and quantity of items he has. I should have taken pictures, Just the empty boxes at the rear of the room is amazing. Figure a number of tables stacked 4 feet high. As he digs the cars out from other storage boxes he matches them up with the original boxes. If anyone is looking for a specific item give him a call or send an email and he can pull it off the shelf and give you a price directly. Otherwise it will not make it to a list till all the wrapped up boxes are emptied and listed. That's what we were doing Sunday. He is not selling things cheap but he has almost everything and almost every variety. It is kind of sad to see the breakup of one of the truly great Gilbert Flyer collections. Eric Reis Greater Seattle S Gaugers -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:s_trains@...] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:26 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS FOR SALE Additions to this train list were last made on 5/17/04 Here is the latest list. As I unpack and grade another couple of boxes, more items will be added allowing a fresh list to be created twice a month. I will send you the updates. Send payment to: e-mail, phone and memberships: Michael Kolosseus mkolosseus@... 10121 Evergreen Way 425-337-1486 (weekends and 5-9pm weeknights PDT)_ PMB #286 TCA # 71-3496 Everett, WA 98204 TTOS# 363 Shipping Terms. Shipping and insurance by UPS ground service is a flat $12 regardless of the amount or weight of your order! If you wish an expedited delivery, send a certified check or money order. If you pay the cost, I will ship by air. Reservations are gladly accepted by e-mail or phone. Reservations will be held 10 days awaiting your payment. Merchandise will be shipped after your personal check clears. If a refund is due, it will be sent at that time. All trains are fully insured for your purchase price. If damages occur, you will need to file a claim. Retain all packing materials along with broken parts and pieces. UPS will want to inspect it. If you are unsatisfied with your purchase, contact me right away. If I made a mistake perhaps it can be corrected. If not, your money will be refunded upon return of the merchandise. Grading. MINT (M): Brand new, absolutely unmarred, all original and unused. LIKE NEW (LN): Free of blemishes, nicks or scratches; original condition throughout; very little sign of use. EXCELLENT (Ex): Minute nicks or scratches: no dents or rust. VERY GOOD (VG): Few scratches, exceptionally clean, no dents or rust. GOOD (G): Scratches small dents dirty. FAIR (F): Scratched, chipped, dented rusted or warped condition. POOR (P): Beat up junk condition, some useable parts. My grading describes the condition after noting specific defects that should not be present at that grade. For example, a plastic box car with only a few light scratches would be excellent. If this item had some rust on the trucks, it will be described as rusty trucks. Ex. The grading standards allows for minor pieces to be missing on excellent items. I will make every effort to discover and note this such as a missing brake wheel on that plastic box car. The same holds true for replacement parts. Likewise, Ill identify restored items. Some of the trains have not been operated in decades. A good cleaning and lubricating is necessary before layout use. Since most operators can handle this on their own and many shelf collectors are not concerned about operating qualities, I have chosen to hold prices down on each locomotive and sell them as is with respect to operating qualities. Items are test run at my bench and if they do not operate, this will be disclosed along with sticky reverse units and failure of smoke units to function. Also, I will note axle wobble (worn bushings) on diesels. Cardboard boxes have all their flaps, but packing slips and original wrapping paper will not be present unless noted. Any breakage, such as pilot steps on plastic locos or steps on hopper cars will be identified on pieces graded at G or above. Unless otherwise noted, decals and stickers are at least 98% complete on Ex, 90% on VG and 70% on G rated items. Pricing I am using the 2004 pricing guides by Greenberg and by McComas. Where their values differ, I split the difference. Most items are priced at or slightly below average guide prices. AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN LIST AF# Description Grade Price actual list deleted for space..................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31303	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Back Alleys On the Way

Hi Gang, Just a note for those who reserved Back Alley kits. Most are going out tomorrow by priority mail. This kit has over 3 pounds of parts in it. It is one of those kits, that when opened, it is hard to get everything back in the box. Guess ya gotta build it if that happens. Back Alley number 2 is well on the way. Happy Railroading, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31304	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: UPDATE: S Online Catalog (Freight & Passenger Cars)

At the end of April Stan Furmanak posted a introductory note regarding work we had initiated on the creation of an online S scale catalog. Stan's initial note was on the freight car database/section of the catalog. I'm pleased to report that since that initial note, we've continued to make progress on this project. Now you can find an S Catalog link on the NASG Home page right above the Product of the Week feature. And in the catalog you will find both an expanded Freight Car section and a new Passenger Car section. And thanks to Stan's web work, we now have more search options, as well as the option to get the output on a web display page or on an Excel worksheet. We really appreciate those of you who have come with offers of assistance in various forms. We've received a number of good comments, suggestions for additional data to include, etc. We've already made some enhancements as a result of these, and there are other enhancements now on the radar scope as a result of this input. We also want to acknowledge contributions to the freight car database from a number of folks including Earl Tuson, Lee Johnson, and Ken Garber. And we want to thank Dick Karnes & Don Thompson for their contributions to the content for the passenger car section. It was Dick's initial email to the S scale list last November, along with replies and updates to that email from others, that really jump started the passenger car section. And Dick has been kind enough to make another pass at the data as we were loading it. We continue to solicit content from both modelers & manufacturers. We would like to continue to expand the existing sections, and you will find at the top of each of those pages an option to download an Excel template that can be used for submitting new content. Corrections & updates of existing data can be forwarded to either myself or Stan via email. In addition we have Motive Power and Structures sections under development. For these new sections I'd like to especially encourage manufacturers in these areas to provide us data on their products if you have not already done so. Those interested in a content submission Excel template for these two new sections should contact either Stan or I. Thanks again for everyone's comments & contributions to date, and we hope you find the expanding catalog useful. Regards Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31305	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Ore cars on the PRR

Hi All, When S Helper Service http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html released DM & IR ore cars earlier this year, I thought I was safe from having to buy them en masse - until yesterday. In the PRR Color Guide 3 on page 101 is a FF1 pushing on a N8 (my original quest for looking at the photo) in what is probably the Thorndale PA area. Ahead of the N8 is the Duluth Missabe & Iron Range U-27 "Lake Superior" design 70 ton ore car which I am assuming would have been a unit train of ore cars. The photo was taken in 1958. Did this service start earlier then this? BTW ore car fans, these cars are BEAUTIFUL and R-T-R available in single and 5 car sets in a number of road names. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The Production has begun for the REA Version Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31306	From: editor	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: Foam subroadbed

I realize that this may be slightly off this topic, but at the S Spree the kind folks from Custom Trax had their soft foam roadbed products on display there and they said that their sound deadening qualities were second to none. Has anyone on this list used the Custom Trax products? We would gladly *pay* you for your review of this product as well as another product that you've used that you would like to share your experiences with our S/Sn3 Modeling Guide readers. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31307	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Pretty good layout

Hi, If someone comes to your house and exclaims, "Your trains run just like Lionel!". Don't be offended. Alls it means it that - everybody with me - you just might have a pretty good layout. :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: (21)234 C&O Engine

CTT just did an article on the (21)234 AF engine, as many of you get this engine. They listed values of $490 and $590 or so for the two version of this engine, while mentioning that the yellow paint on the base, flaked, which many of know about, as I have one with a repainted yellow base. My question is, how much would that effect the value of these engines, base on the above in E, as these are just guide pricing. How much should one deduct for the repainted engine? When I purchased mine in 1993 from a TCA member, it was not marked, as a repaint, as the article says it should be, nor did I know about this thing having problems with the paint. So I learn. Thanks for any thoughts, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31309	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine

ANYTHING repainted MUST be noted as such, TCA notwithstanding! Period! Value? Only you can determine what value it has. TCA has nothing to do with this. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine CTT just did an article on the (21)234 AF engine, as many of you get this engine. They listed values of $490 and $590 or so for the two version of this engine, while mentioning that the yellow paint on the base, flaked, which many of know about, as I have one with a repainted yellow base. My question is, how much would that effect the value of these engines, base on the above in E, as these are just guide pricing. How much should one deduct for the repainted engine? When I purchased mine in 1993 from a TCA member, it was not marked, as a repaint, as the article says it should be, nor did I know about this thing having problems with the paint. So I learn. Thanks for any thoughts, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31310	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine

Thanks Tim. I guess it is a judgment call between the seller and the buyer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; mlmarmer Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine ANYTHING repainted MUST be noted as such, TCA notwithstanding! Period! Value? Only you can determine what value it has. TCA has nothing to do with this. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine CTT just did an article on the (21)234 AF engine, as many of you get this engine. They listed values of $490 and $590 or so for the two version of this engine, while mentioning that the yellow paint on the base, flaked, which many of know about, as I have one with a repainted yellow base. My question is, how much would that effect the value of these engines, base on the above in E, as these are just guide pricing. How much should one deduct for the repainted engine? When I purchased mine in 1993 from a TCA member, it was not marked, as a repaint, as the article says it should be, nor did I know about this thing having problems with the paint. So I learn. Thanks for any thoughts, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31311	From: Tim	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine

Well, Hey, if you want to pay catalog prices for Mike Koloseus's collection, then run, collectors, run! Tim Brown out... ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: Tim ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine Thanks Tim. I guess it is a judgment call between the seller and the buyer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; mlmarmer Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine ANYTHING repainted MUST be noted as such, TCA notwithstanding! Period! Value? Only you can determine what value it has. TCA has nothing to do with this. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine CTT just did an article on the (21)234 AF engine, as many of you get this engine. They listed values of $490 and $590 or so for the two version of this engine, while mentioning that the yellow paint on the base, flaked, which many of know about, as I have one with a repainted yellow base. My question is, how much would that effect the value of these engines, base on the above in E, as these are just guide pricing. How much should one deduct for the repainted engine? When I purchased mine in 1993 from a TCA member, it was not marked, as a repaint, as the article says it should be, nor did I know about this thing having problems with the paint. So I learn. Thanks for any thoughts, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31312	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2004
Subject: Re: (21)234 C&O Engine

Tim, No I don't need another one, just really trying to figure out a value I should use for the insurance renewal this July. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; mlmarmer Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine Well, Hey, if you want to pay catalog prices for Mike Koloseus's collection, then run, collectors, run! Tim Brown out... ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: Tim ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine Thanks Tim. I guess it is a judgment call between the seller and the buyer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; mlmarmer Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine ANYTHING repainted MUST be noted as such, TCA notwithstanding! Period! Value? Only you can determine what value it has. TCA has nothing to do with this. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (21)234 C&O Engine CTT just did an article on the (21)234 AF engine, as many of you get this engine. They listed values of $490 and $590 or so for the two version of this engine, while mentioning that the yellow paint on the base, flaked, which many of know about, as I have one with a repainted yellow base. My question is, how much would that effect the value of these engines, base on the above in E, as these are just guide pricing. How much should one deduct for the repainted engine? When I purchased mine in 1993 from a TCA member, it was not marked, as a repaint, as the article says it should be, nor did I know about this thing having problems with the paint. So I learn. Thanks for any thoughts, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31313	From: beebear	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List

Sorry to say but this kind of information disturbs me a little. Just to know someone has that much Flyer stuff just sitting in boxes or on a shelf when there are those of us out here digging around at train shows or flea markets trying to find something worth buying just to run. Yes I know you have the right to buy them and do with what you want. Just letting off a little steam John ----- Original Message ----- From: ER & JR To: Paul Yorke ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Michael Kolosseus - Flyer For sale List Fellow Listers: A little note on Mike Kolosseus's sale of his collection. I was up there Sunday to see and buy. The list does not do the sheer quantity justice. The list is probably 5-10 percent of what he has. If you have seen the pictures or videos of his layout (and wall shelves) over the years you get the idea of the size of area and quantity of items he has. I should have taken pictures, Just the empty boxes at the rear of the room is amazing. Figure a number of tables stacked 4 feet high. As he digs the cars out from other storage boxes he matches them up with the original boxes. If anyone is looking for a specific item give him a call or send an email and he can pull it off the shelf and give you a price directly. Otherwise it will not make it to a list till all the wrapped up boxes are emptied and listed. That's what we were doing Sunday. He is not selling things cheap but he has almost everything and almost every variety. It is kind of sad to see the breakup of one of the truly great Gilbert Flyer collections. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31314	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /CastGenerator.jpg Uploaded by : gilbertguru <blueprince@...> Description : Gilbert Guru New Offering You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/CastGenerator.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gilbertguru <blueprince@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31315	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Nice looking Generator!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer For sale List

John...... Sorry you are upset.... but if it wasn't for the Mikes, Als, Johns, Davids, and so many others there wouldn't be much really nice AF around.... these guys started when Dominio Hoppers were 50 cents each... NEW... and they have built wonderful collections over the years..... I remember starting back in the 80's.... Buying boxed sets for 25.00 and up... Hudsons 25.00 etc... Atlantics 5.00 ( must have 40 or 50 somewhere around here). Unfortuanally I sold almost everything back around 1990 to buy a farm.... Wish I still had the trains..... So I had to restart in the late 90's.... I now have a better Circus set than I had before, etc.... Just keep plugging away and your collection WILL GROW.... Items are out there.... the fun is in the search and finally possesion... I still find treasures when I open boxes to see whats in them because I have forgotten what I have... And as you try to upgrade pieces with better the older piece gets put away in a box... ergo... under the table or the storage area.. Visit the smaller shows where HO etc is expected to be found.... I found a 719 red e+ at a church toy sale last sat..... and an HO AF parts engine for 5.00.... You never know where things will turn up.. Bob RCON7 > Sorry to say but this kind of information disturbs me a little. Just to know > someone > has that much Flyer stuff just sitting in boxes or on a shelf when there are > those of us > out here digging around at train shows or flea markets trying to find > something worth > buying just to run. > > Yes I know you have the right to buy them and do with what you want. Just > letting off > a little steam

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31317	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Wow, Looks good enough to go in and do a phase check on! Is this item going to be available for sale? Tom Doherty President, PHM -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New file uploaded to S-Trains Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /CastGenerator.jpg Uploaded by : gilbertguru <blueprince@...> Description : Gilbert Guru New Offering You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/CastGenerator.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gilbertguru <blueprince@...> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31318	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2295

Big Collections for sale such as Mike Kolosseus that have a tremendous amount accumulated thru the years, such as Boxed sets for $25.00, Penn salt cars $5.00 & Dominio hoppers $0.50 may just be trying to sell before the price drops back to the early days. Boxed sets for $25.00, Penn salt cars $10.00 & Dominio hoppers $0.50. The fun is in the hunt. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31319	From: Tim	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2295

This is purely a guess on my part, but I think maybe Mike has had an epiphany and now realizes that if he sells everything off to collectors at book value, he can afford a great retirement home in Arizona. That would have panned out to be a beautiful investment return over the years at something he had a tremendous amount of fun playing with in the process. Mike did just about everything worth doing with Flyer trains over the years, if the video did any justice to his work at all. IMHO, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2295 Big Collections for sale such as Mike Kolosseus that have a tremendous amount accumulated thru the years, such as Boxed sets for $25.00, Penn salt cars $5.00 & Dominio hoppers $0.50 may just be trying to sell before the price drops back to the early days. Boxed sets for $25.00, Penn salt cars $10.00 & Dominio hoppers $0.50. The fun is in the hunt. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31320	From: waldootten	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: NASG National Convention car photos

Hey all -- Someone was recently asking about the convention car for the 2004 NASG Convention, "S Curves Through Chicago" which is scheduled for late July (see the NASG website for more info). I asked Sam McCoy, who is the major domo of that event and a member of the CASG, to send me whatever current photos he has of the car. I have posted them in the "Photos" section of this webiste under "Phil K's trains." There are two shots of the car body -- unpainted -- and a photo of the protype car. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31321	From: beebear	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: NASG Convention info

Hello All Has anyone that was at the S Spree in Columbus last month been to the NASG Convention in Chiacgo? The reason I am asking is to compare the size of one to the other. Is the Chicago show bigger than the one in Columbus? Are there more vendors? More layouts? Thanks for any information John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31322	From: jt12313	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Flyonel Santa Fe Alcos????

Hello All, Did Flyonel product an Santa Fe Alco A-A set? I thought I saw something like that on e-bay the other day but it didn't register at the time. If the animal exists, when did they come out and what are their respective numbers plus any other available info. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31323	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Not train but had to share

I know this isn't train related but I had to share my excitement. I bought into this with a couple other guys. This is a 1923 American LaFrance fire truck that was in service in my town. I tracked it down in Texas and the guy wanted to sell it so we bought it. Now all we have to do is get it back to Pennsylvania :) Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31324	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2004
Subject: Re: Not train but had to share

If it still works you can drive it back & have the US government pay your way back. You do have to provide water to the fighters, But if you break down the Gov. pays for it & the wages of the drivers. & THE FOOD IS GREAT. MIKE S ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31325	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: Trains for sale

Hi All, I received a call this morning from one of my clients. Her son-in-law passed away last week and left a large collection of Lionel O gauge trains including 5 file cabinets full of Lionel paperwork, catalogs, etc. (most of it original from 1910). This widow lives in Ventnor, NJ. I thought I would let you all know about this before contacting a Lionel group. She knows very little about these trains so will also need some education. Her contact information is: Julie Kepley, 609-822-3660, E-mail is Julie@... Anyone interested should contact her directly. I will not send an email to anyone else for a week or 2 to give you all a chance to contact her. Hope some of you who are into O as well as S will find this info useful. Julie is left with 4 children - the oldest is 11 years old. She has no visible means of support except for the sale of these trains. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31326	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel Santa Fe Alcos????

In a message dated 5/26/04 8:59:08 PM, jt12313@... writes: << Hello All, Did Flyonel produce an Santa Fe Alco A-A set? >> Yes. No. 48130 for the AA pair and No. 48944 for a four car passenger set -- all from 1997. These are to be found listed on pages 74 and 88 of your (ha-hem) TM "American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide S Gauge 1946 - 2004." ;-)) Hope this helps, Jeff. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31327	From: Tim	Date: 5/27/2004
Subject: How big or how many

Hi, Whenever two or more "Flyer-Guys" get together and start bragging about their respective layouts, one of two questions inevitably comes up; 1) "How many trains can you run?", or 2) "How big is your layout?". My stock answer to both questions is in the form of a question, "On a good night?". But hey, isn't this yet another form of - everybody with me - you just might have a pretty good layout. Color commentary by, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31331	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Hobby Shops

HI MEMBERS, can some one please post Ron Leveton's E-Mail adress. Thanks "J" polpolk9@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31332	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: WHOS ON FIRST

THE RECENT update on the court squabble going on by MTH against Lionel is a cheap shot. MIKE WOLF so far from all the stories of how he got involved in trains is to one conconclusion. I simply cant at all empathive with the stories he puts out about his self . But why challenge Lionel that's another alley brawl as MTH has many times over plagiarized the Lionel products. especially ther e big sellers and too the A,C. GIlbert Line he"s tresspassed flagrantly upon the Lionel and Gilbert products patents. The court squabble does show that the the real maker of the MTH product is overseas in China and not at the MTH factory shown in the CTT picture. thart Ctt picture was a ploy to trick us into regarding that the MTH products are made here in our U.S.A..the MTH court records show that mth is saying now there stuff is made in CHINA. I dont see any credibility comming from the MTH owner. Next we will find that MTH is owned by a Japaneese auto maker. Its all not my cup of tea!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31335	From: ER & JR	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops

This is Ron's web site http://www.americanflyerparts.com/ this is his email from that site leventon@... Eric Reis Greater Seattle S Gaugers -----Original Message----- From: polpolk9 [mailto:polpolk9@...] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby Shops HI MEMBERS, can some one please post Ron Leveton's E-Mail adress. Thanks "J" polpolk9@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31336	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Re: Vacation

Hi All, just to let you know we will be on vacation in NC. Saturday the 29th thru June 6th. Don, Nancy and Girls [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31337	From: Tim	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: This forum is a powerful tool

Hi, We sometimes think we can not influence the evolution of S gauge on this list, because all we do is espouse humble opinions. Well, guess what? There are members on this list in important positions in the S Gauge world who hear our "humble opinions". This forum is an important sounding board for what is now happening and what should be happening in the world of S Gauge. I'm not talking about the trite little postings of who is going on vacation, or who will not be attending chat on Sunday night or who has a pretty good layout. I am talking about the tenor of the postings. Listen to the drum beats. What do they tell you about the future of S Gauge? Color commentary by, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31340	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Lionel Eskimo Car

Rance from Norway, who is on the S list, as I sending this to the TCA list also, and I had a great trip to Hanover, PA to visit Toy Trains Unlimited, as the shop had a fair amount of collectable AF, but nothing that Rance was looking for, Heavy weight passenger cars and nothing that I needed. We had a nice talk with the owner, and I mentioned some problems I have gotten in the past from some TCA members with purchases and how TCA needs to do more with these issues. Well, a customer started to rant on about how half of the items, we all have in our collections and that are for sell on ebay are fakes. He also started to mention famous people in TCA, in some towns he mentioned were the masters of making these fakes. I don't remember the names and I never heard of them before. The cars he mentioned were all Lionel items, which I know nothing about, Lionel, except that is bigger that AF and has 3 rails. One item he mention was a Eskimo car and how the Eskimo in the car, was faked to some rare version, beached and a color variation on the lettering of the car, as Joseph Lechner explain to me that these cars were for the statehood of Alaska in 1959. So I mention to the group in the store that I will look for the "not so rare" Eskimo car and transfer the Eskimo from that car to replace the man in the Gilbert action milk car or the Erie action box car and then, I would have a new found "extreme rare" Eskimo AF Action box car for sale soon! LOL! Just kidding, as they all laugh in the store. You can find it on Ebay, since I am told that is were all the fakes are! It was good to see Rance again for the second time, as he was back in the states for his son's wedding, as his daughter got married in CO last April. Just having a bit of fun on a Friday night! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31342	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Fw: TCA

This is a email to Joseph Lechner, moderator of the TCA list, as I sent a second letter to Mr. Atonna, Standards Chairman, who is not on this list, I assume. And I do know the assume principle! I received a reply from Atonna and the below is a short email to Joseph about his answer. I will write a short third letter, thanks for the advice from Rance, and I see what happens, as probably not much. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: Joseph Lechner Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: TCA Joseph, Mr. Atonna is not going ahead with my request to do something, anything against the TCA member who sold me that 22130 engine on ebay with the reglued steps, when the description stated "Nothing broken or cracked. All Steps present". He states that he doesn't want TCA being asked to judge the accuracy of any listing statement in any publication or media where two TCA members might become involved. How much accuracy does he need in the above that I sent him a copy from the description of the ebay listing. And again, since the seller return the money, he only wants to focus on those cases he gets, where the seller doesn't refund any money for bad sells, which I wonder how many that may be. Also, why he is the sole judge of things, when I thought the Standards was a committee, meaning a committee of more than one person. Even a trial has 6 to 12 jurors to judge wrong doings. I also still feel that the seller is in the wrong, no matter the outcome, of giving me my money back, since his description got my interest and made me make a decision to bid for engine, with all the wrong doings to it. The re-glued steps, the wire to the light and a badly bent hand wire. I will write him another letter, as this is wrong in my opinion, as I thought the standards committee was to protect us from things like this, no matter the outcome. I guess it isn't what it seems to be. Thanks for reading, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31343	From: Dave W	Date: 5/28/2004
Subject: Flarx? American Myer? Louis Gilbert?

There I was, harmlessly messing around with some junkers, and lo! Next thing you know, I had some Flyer wheels on coat-hanger axles under a Marx caboose. This O27 is handy stuff! Can I get that Hafner junker boiler to fit an Atlantic chassis? Watch this space....... What would that be? Haflyer? No...........Flafner! Winter may have been too long, methinks......my apologies. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31345	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: UP Northern Numbering

Hi, I have an American Flyer K335 Northern 4-8-4. Does the "K" mean anything in particular. I know there is a 332 Northern, 334 Northern & 336 Northern. So I'm wondering what the "K" means. Also, I'm trying to figure out what it is work in very good + condition. Smoke, lights, forward and reverse all work great. But on Ebay, I have found numerous 332s, 334s, & 336s but no K335s. Is my K335 especially rare or is it just not trading on Ebay. Any info you can give me would be appreciated! Enjoy the holiday weekend ... play with your trains for all 3 days. Thanks, Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31346	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Re: UP Northern Numbering

On Sat, 29 May 2004 03:21:19 -0000, wjwagner2002 wrote: >Does the "K" mean >anything in particular. K means it was the first with Knuckle couplers. There is also a K325 Hudson. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31348	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Re: UP Northern Numbering

In a message dated 5/29/04 7:46:57 AM, wjwagner@... writes: << I have an American Flyer K335 Northern 4-8-4. Does the "K" mean anything in particular. >> K = knuckle coupler. The K335 and the K325 were the first two engines to be harbingers of change from link to knuckle couplers in 1952. They were to be found in the first two all knuckle coupler sets, K5210W and K5206W, respectively. During the period of change over, knuckle coupler set numbers also had the K prefix. The K335 is the functional equivalent of a 336. Although it was manufactured in a significant number, the K335 is tougher to find that a 336 because it was made for only one year. Realized prices are a result of both supply and demand. 336s bring more money, everything else equal, because that is a Northern many folks "have to have" and the 336 also appeared in more sets -- an important factor for collectors who (re)assemble sets. An accurate listing, current $$ estimates and rarity ratings can be found for all Northerns in the TM G uide for AF S Gauge. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31349	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Farewell in some ways...

Before I change the status in my membership to this group, I am informing all of you members. My calling I am following needs my undivided attention to see its success. I have an "empty" basement room - future layout room - at this time. I have not been to Train Barn for months... and a good bit of that reason is the budget as Seth "always" has some AF stashed away for me. I especially don't have time to have the hair raised up on the back of my neck as people utilize methods which I do not agree with to "deal with" personal differences they have with others on this list. Frankly those of your who are involved in that behavior damage only yourselves and live with a blind eye to the correct way to resolve such differences. To save Paul the trouble of letting me in when I have time for S-Trains in the future I will simply convert my membership to not getting emails. For my special friends on this list - Barb, Carl, Rick, Tim, Tom "Crazy8" J, and "Kielek Family" with that Christmas layout to drool for - it is you that make this list worth while, and I hope you will be around upon my return. Save me some BBQ! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31350	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/29/2004
Subject: Fw: Summer Meet Flyer

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31351	From: polpolk9	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: (no subject)

WYE IS IT ?THAT COME NOVEMBER THE SEASON FOR THE MERRY CHRISTMAS DECORATED S-GAUGE GP-20 IS ONLY THEN !! GEEZ --I ALL THE TIME FIGURED THAT EVERYDAY WAS A TOY TRAIN DAY --SO I FIND THAT I AM WRONG! AS THE GP-20 ON THE INTERCHANGE HAS MANY A LOOKER BUT DOESNT GO HOME WITH THE TRAIN ENTHUSIAST. IS IT ? --THE WRONG SEASON TO BE UNLOADING HER! OR IS IT THE WORSE OF ALL THE GUESSES-- WHICH IS --- THE GP-20 JUST ISNT POPULAR ANYMORE!! THE VERSION OF HER DECORATIONS IS FOR ALL SEASON--TRUE CHRISTMAS COMES ''BUT ONCE A`YEAR ----- BUT WHY NOT HAVE HER IN YOUR TRAINHOUSE INSTEAD OF LEAVING HER SLEEPING ON THE E INTERCHANGE TRAIN BOARD. gOSH IWAS THINKING ANY ONE WOULD WANT HER NOW!! noT EVERYBODY LIKES BASEBALL IN THE SUMMER--JUST LOOK AT THE ATENDANCE AT THE WINTER BASEBALL IN FlORIDA. I am sorry to say all this --but trains are all year around fun and i just am feeling low seeing the passerbys go bye. Have a good day--and safe MEMORIAL DAY .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31352	From: beebear	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: Please Stand with me

Hello All On this Memorial day, please take a moment to stop what you are doing and remember what it is all about. Over the years the meaning of Memorial Day has faded too much from the public consciousness. From a solemn day of mourning, remembrance, and honor to our departed loved ones, it has degenerated into a weekend of Bar B Q's, shopping bargains and beaches where only token nods toward our honored dead is given, if at all. Stop and say a small prayer for those men and women that have fought to keep our country free while defending our Nation and its values. For those who have had loved ones lost or missing in action in the past wars or the current battles. It is human nature to avoid the unpleasant. But we need to remember the cost of war, we need to remember the price paid for our freedoms, we need to not let those who died before us, die forgotten and in vain. We need to teach our children the day's meaning. Show others by our actions that we will not forget. You don't have to believe in war to honor our family, friends and neighbors who died in service to their country. When you see an American flag, stand and say The Pledge of Allegiance. Be proud that you can say it and know what it means. If you have an American flag, get it out and proudly display it on this day of remembrance. Visit your local cemeteries and help place flags and flowers on those graves of the service men and women who have gone before us. In closing, I would like to say a big Thank You to those men and women who have served to keep out country free. Please add your name to the list below and pass it along to those on your email lists so they too will remember! John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31353	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 30, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31354	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/31/2004
Subject: Plaster question

Does plaster go bad sitting in the box? I have used rock molds twice using plaster and in each case the plaster crumbled when it was removed. I did not add any coloring. Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31355	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/1/2004
Subject: Hope everyone had a nice holiday

I hope everyone hade a nice and safe holiday week-end. The forum has been quiet, so we must be working on our layouts. We want to thank everyone for the nice reviews on the Back Alley #1. We really put our hearts into these kits and it pleases us to know that they are appreciated. I have been busy creating masters for Back Alley #2. Making the diorama for display will be the only model railroading for me this year. Happy Holiday, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31356	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/1/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Cars

After two delays and several anxious moments, I am happy to report that 336 cartons (18.13 cbm 2,336 kgs) left Hong Kong today on the OOCL Ningbo V.01E22. We expect delivery (providing the UP starts to concentrate on transportation instead of royalties) the last week of this month. On this container are our Ore Cars, #01295 KD style couplers, control box with toggle switch for our turnouts and SW-1 replacement "Golden White" LEDs upgrade kits. The single ore cars can be ordered online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars_in_stock.html The Five car sets of ore cars can be ordered online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars5carsets.html Originally, we expected these cars to leave mid March so we would have them for the TCA Train Show in York, PA, but right after Chinese New Year the e-mail arrived informing us that it was taking twice as long to remove the body from the spue and that we would lose of spot for production and be delayed 4 weeks. Then in April, we were told that during the removal of flash from the zamac frame, one worker removed the door locking nubs. I can only assume this was discovered during the assembly as we had received a FedEx shipment of a few of each roadname as a final shipping and production check as well as having a few cars for display at York and the S Spree. The new shipping date was to be the end of May. We would like to apologies for the delays, but we think everyone will really be satisfied with the final product. One funny item, at York, the most popular car was the CP black ore car with the white and red "Pac Man" logo. This car was not a favorite during the pre-production ordering period and because of that, we did not make as many. I wonder if this one will sell out first? Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31357	From: aglorince	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: american models "S" clearance

i still have some old stock locomotives on sale. price is about 25% off list. the following pieces are available. am specials model road road no. drive quan. fp7 prr tuscan 9836 scale 1 fp7 prr tuscan 9834 scale 1 fp7 prr green 9866 scale 1 fp7 prr green 9863 scale 1 fp7 up 1498 dc hirail 1 fp7 up 1499 dc hirail 1 fp7 gn none scale 1 fp7 bn 724 scale 1 gp9 nyc 5918 scale 1 gp9 nh 1204 scale 1 gp9 cr 7280 scale 1 fa2 prr dummy 1 fb2 cn 4470 ac hirail 1 i also have the following american models kits available. also 25% off list. kits are "new" boxs are damaged. i don't have the parts on hand to convert these to hirail. AM 2212 SOO PLUGDOOR BOX scale 2 AM 2216 BN PLUG DOOR BOX SCALE 1 AM 3211 SP OSB HOPPER SCALE 1 AM 3212 DRGW OSB HOPPER SCALE 1 AM 3252 CP OFFSET NHOPPER SCALE 1 AM 3253 GN OFFSET HOPPER SCALE 1 AM 3254 NP OFFSET HOPPER SCALE 2 AM 3259 UP OFFSET HOPPER SCALE 1 AM 4412 SOO LINE GON SCALE 1 AM 4414 IC GON SCALE 1 AM 4420 BN GON SCALE 1 AM 4423 D&H GON SCALE 1 AM 4425 D&RGW GON SCALE 1 AM 7703 EL RED BAY WIN CABOOSE SCALE 1 AM 7710 SF BAY WINDOWCABOOSE SCALE 1 AM 7714 UP BAY WIN CABOOSE SCALE 1 AM 7716 CP BAY WIN CABOOSE SCALE 1 AM 7710 BN BAY WIN CABOOSE SCALE 1 i still have back issues of following magazines 3/16 "S"cale modeling may 90 -july 92 "ctc board" prototype news mar 88- june 2003 "mainline modeler"apr 90 thru june 2003 "rail model journal" dec 90- may 03 "s gaugian" july 88-may 03 "sn3 modeler"winter 87 -spring 03 "s/sn3 modeling guide" apr 95- mar 99 these were put out by BTS. not all issues are available, stocks are limited. prices are about25% off of cover price. on all above shipping within usa is included. andy lorince alorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31358	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: layout plan in MR

For those of you who enjoyed the track plans based on various figure 8's, there is a plan for a small layout in the current July 2004 Model Railroader entitled "Fabulous 5 x 9". This plan, 5 x 9 in 18 - inch - minimum - radius HO, looks like a figure eight but isn't. It would probably be possible to make an S version that would be nearly the same size, since the AF minimum radius is 19" or so. I'm not sure you can run more than one train at a time on it though. It is basically a loop to loop design. So if you like this kind of stuff, take a look! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31359	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update

Hi All, We had a meeting with our builder today. I am happy to report that we should have the production run of the Railway Express version here by the first week of July latest. We have a very few REA cars left, so if you were considering reserving a REA car the time to act is now! Once the car ships from the far away land, there will be a substantial price increase. Please visit my Pennsy S Models website for more information and download a PDF order form. Once the REA cars are complete we will turn out attention to doing the various PRR freight and B&O versions. My builder is also taking back additional PRR drawings to the factory to start the design work for the G26 gondola. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The Production has begun for the REA Version Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31360	From: ER & JR	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: Thinning out extra S rolling stock (cars for sale)

I need to get rid of some of my extra stuff so as to get down to where I can again have room to run trains. I have the following 8 cars for sale and will give the lists a try before I put them on EBAY. 1. LTI AF 6-48925 Northern Pacific passenger car Coach $70 2. LTI AF 6-48933 Missouri Pacific Passenger car, Diner $70 3. American models #5001 50' railbox hi-boxcar RTR later version $30 4. American models #3313 Hopper RTR later version Union Pacific $30 5. S Helper Service PS2 3 bay Hopper 00412 C,B and Q black $35 6. S Helper Service PS2 3 bay Hopper 00278 Great Northern Blue $35 7. Pacific Rail shops kit without trucks 40' double door boxcar Great Northern green rocky. $30 8. Pacific Rail shops kit without trucks 50' single door high boxcar Great Northern green $30 all are as new in the original boxes. Shipping in the USA $5 for 1 and $1 extra for each extra. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa Money order, cashiers check or paypal works [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31361	From: roy inman	Date: 6/2/2004
Subject: FW: [MoPac_Modeling] UP Defends Trademarks

Just FYI: Will be interesting to watch what transpires here... Roy Inman >From trainorders.com >From the UP web site at: http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml Union Pacific defends trademarks Union Pacific Railroad Company has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska naming as defendants Lionel, L.L.C. and Athearn, Inc. The defendants are model railroad manufacturers who have refused to enter into licensing agreements for their commercial use of Union Pacific trademarks. The complaint alleges claims of infringement of federally registered trademarks, trademark dilution under § 43(c) of the Lanham Act, Unfair Competition under § 43(a) of the Lanham Act, common law trademark infringement, unfair competition, and violation of the Nebraska Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act. Union Pacific believes it is imperative that it defends its trademarks against unauthorized use by Lionel and Athearn. Both companies repeatedly have rejected Union Pacific's lawful licensing requests. Not only have Lionel and Athearn failed to license use of Union Pacific's historic trademarks, they have violated trademark protection laws by producing new models featuring Union Pacific's latest "Building America" branding and advertising campaign. Union Pacific notes that Lionel has a very active licensing program that protects its own trademark. It is difficult to understand why Lionel and Athearn believe they are above the law, while more than 60 other manufacturers, including many model railroad manufacturers, have licensed their Union Pacific products in accordance with the law. Union Pacific will continue reviewing applications and welcomes new licensees. List Owner Tom Stolte - mopac@... List Moderator Jim Ogden - sjogden@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MoPac_Modeling/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MoPac_Modeling-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MoPac_Modeling-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31362	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: AF Rubber Roadbed

Hello, As a newer member please let me know if I'm out of bounds by mentioning items I'm putting on Ebay. ... I put a bunch of American Flyer rubber roadbed on Ebay tonite. I have 53 pieces up for auction. If you are interested please see Ebay item # 5902188701. My Ebay name is 555retlaw Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31363	From: editor	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: And So it Begins . . .

Union Pacific Railroad Company has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska naming as defendants Lionel, L.L.C. and Athearn, Inc. The defendants are model railroad manufacturers who have refused to enter into licensing agreements for their commercial use of Union Pacific trademarks. The complaint alleges claims of infringement of federally registered trademarks, trademark dilution under § 43(c) of the Lanham Act, Unfair Competition under § 43(a) of the Lanham Act, common law trademark infringement, unfair competition, and violation of the Nebraska Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act. Union Pacific believes it is imperative that it defends its trademarks against unauthorized use by Lionel and Athearn. Both companies repeatedly have rejected Union Pacific's lawful licensing requests. Not only have Lionel and Athearn failed to license use of Union Pacific's historic trademarks, they have violated trademark protection laws by producing new models featuring Union Pacific's latest "Building America" branding and advertising campaign. Union Pacific notes that Lionel has a very active licensing program that protects its own trademark. It is difficult to understand why Lionel and Athearn believe they are above the law, while more than 60 other manufacturers, including many model railroad manufacturers, have licensed their Union Pacific products in accordance with the law. Union Pacific will continue reviewing applications and welcomes new licensees. http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml And so it begins. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ We encourage everyone to visit the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide web site at www.ModelingGuide.com for Subscriptions, Products and much, much more!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31364	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: UNION PACIFIC FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST LIONEL

UNION PACIFIC FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST LIONEL The Union Pacific Railroad filed a civil complaint on May 27 against Lionel L.L.C. in Nebraska federal court. The railroad charges that Lionel has ignored the railroad's requests to enter into a licensing agreement to produce model trains painted for the Union Pacific. John Brady, vice president of marketing at Lionel, said on Wednesday, June 2 that the company had no immediate comment on the filing, but would be preparing a press statement soon. Last year Union Pacific announced a licensing program in which model railroad manufacturers were required to pay the Union Pacific licensing fees to use its logo and related trademarks, both present-day and historic. Before that, model railroad manufacturers had been freely using the trademarks. The Union Pacific has also named Athearn, a long-time manufacturer of HO trains, in the 43-page complaint filed in Omaha, Neb., where the railroad is headquartered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Directions to Atlanta TCA MEET

Going to the TCA meet Saturday in Norcross Ga..... Anybody know the times and directions to the High School???? Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31366	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Directions to Atlanta TCA MEET

Bob, The meet begins at 9:00 AM. I take 85 to Indian Trail. Go east on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. Turn right on Steve Reynolds and the high school is about a mile or so on the left. I'll probably go if I can get the time. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Going to the TCA meet Saturday in Norcross Ga..... Anybody know the times > and directions to the High School???? Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31367	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA

Sorry all - let's try this again: I-85 to Indian Trail. East on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. LEFT (not right) on Steve Reynolds. The high school is about 1 mile ahead on the left hand side. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31368	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA

Bull thanks.... I will have the badge Barb gave me for York on.... "S" list.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > Sorry all - let's try this again: > > I-85 to Indian Trail. > > East on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. > > LEFT (not right) on Steve Reynolds. > > The high school is about 1 mile ahead on the left hand side. > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31369	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA

Any you people ever heard of www.mapquest.com!? O:)! Simple to use. Mike Marmer Map questing to Maine Saturday. ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > Sorry all - let's try this again: > > I-85 to Indian Trail. > > East on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. > > LEFT (not right) on Steve Reynolds. > > The high school is about 1 mile ahead on the left hand side. > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31370	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA

MIKE.... I use it all the time.... but they list it as Meadowbrook HS.... no street address.... Most times I just follow my nose... as long as its in front of me I get there..... Been all over the US.... I did get diverted up in York coming back from the Museum..... Wound up near Harrisburg.... those **** signs............ But at least I know now why Moses wandered in the wilderness for 40 years...... Even in those days a man wouldn't ask for DIRECTIONS!!!!!!! Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > Any you people ever heard of www.mapquest.com!? O:)! > > Simple to use. > > Mike Marmer Map questing to Maine Saturday. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > > > > Sorry all - let's try this again: > > > > I-85 to Indian Trail. > > > > East on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. > > > > LEFT (not right) on Steve Reynolds. > > > > The high school is about 1 mile ahead on the left hand side. > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31371	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: Revised Direction to Altanta TCA + AF in Maine

Hi Bob, Sorry about that! I thought you would be using Mapquest and I can understand your frustration that it isn't working. Maybe search www.phonebook.com for an address for that High School? Then you might be able to try Mapquest. Headed to the opposite end of Route One in your area to the top of Maine! I don't need Mapquest, as I know those directions just fine! 24th trip to Maine, where I have found some really nice AF in the past! I am told that a man in Stockton Springs, Maine, who works at a John Deere place in Ellsworth has a tractor trailer full of AF sets! I hope not, as the moisture in that trailer must be killing those sets, if doesn't have it sealed well. I have seen this man, in a editorial in CTT, as I might get enough courage to stop in the place, just to say hello. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > MIKE.... I use it all the time.... but they list it as Meadowbrook HS.... no > street address.... Most times I just follow my nose... as long as its in > front of me I get there..... Been all over the US.... I did get diverted up > in York coming back from the Museum..... Wound up near Harrisburg.... those > **** signs............ > But at least I know now why Moses wandered in the wilderness for 40 > years...... Even in those days a man wouldn't ask for DIRECTIONS!!!!!!! Bob > RCON7 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > > > > Any you people ever heard of www.mapquest.com!? O:)! > > > > Simple to use. > > > > Mike Marmer Map questing to Maine Saturday. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <bull_gator_1@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:00 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Revised Direction to Altanta TCA > > > > > > > Sorry all - let's try this again: > > > > > > I-85 to Indian Trail. > > > > > > East on Indian Trail to Steve Reynolds Blvd. > > > > > > LEFT (not right) on Steve Reynolds. > > > > > > The high school is about 1 mile ahead on the left hand side. > > > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31372	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/3/2004
Subject: Re: TRUCK FULL OF AF

Let me know if you leave anything!!!!!!!!!!! I once tried to run down a large pile of Flyer I remembered in 1983..... I found the man who had it.... He was really upset, especially since I had told him I still had all my Stuff from 1950. He had been a Policeman in the 50's and had amassed a lot of nice boxed stuff from 1950 to about 1964.... He said if he still had them he would have GIVEN THEM TO ME...... But what happened was another fellow, who was a city employee, came to him with a sad story about how he wanted trains for his kids..... He sokd them all for 400.00.... Several weeks later he ran into one of the boys and asked him how they liked the trains??? Trains...what trains???? the boy said... we don't have any, but my dad bought some a few weeks ago.... sold them for OVER 6000.00 the next day.... I told a fellow I knew up north this story and how mad Len was about this..... He said "let me introduce you to his?? friend" He had overheard the whole thing.... He just walked away..... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31373	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: TRUCK FULL OF AF

Hi Bob, What a sad story. Very sad about this guy telling his sob story to the owner, only to turn around and sell the items. Sorry that you miss out on that. I keep saying that I am going to say hello to this man in Maine at the Deere place, just to be social. And yes, I have found some great AF in Maine. One was a 994 in E plus (I know Barb just got one at this past York) that sat for years at a shop at a Bed and Breakfast and when I finally purchase it the lady owner gave a 10 percent discount, for a total of $110!!!!! The lady sold that B&B as she is a into O gauge, as her shop was full of O. Actually it was an attached barn to the house, as in Maine, houses are attached with many building. Front house, back house, barn is the saying I believe, with lots of side buildings. Some of these farm houses are really big in design and I that Bob is an architect. I will let you know if I find anything, as I understand this woman has a shop in Searsport, Maine, which is on Rt One on the way to Acadia National Park, where we are headed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRUCK FULL OF AF > Let me know if you leave anything!!!!!!!!!!! > > I once tried to run down a large pile of Flyer I remembered in 1983..... I > found the man who had it.... He was really upset, especially since I had > told him I still had all my Stuff from 1950. He had been a Policeman in the > 50's and had amassed a lot of nice boxed stuff from 1950 to about 1964.... > He said if he still had them he would have GIVEN THEM TO ME...... But what > happened was another fellow, who was a city employee, came to him with a sad > story about how he wanted trains for his kids..... He sokd them all for > 400.00.... Several weeks later he ran into one of the boys and asked him how > they liked the trains??? Trains...what trains???? the boy said... we don't > have any, but my dad bought some a few weeks ago.... sold them for OVER > 6000.00 the next day.... I told a fellow I knew up north this story and how > mad Len was about this..... He said "let me introduce you to his?? friend" > He had overheard the whole thing.... He just walked away..... Bob RCON7 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31374	From: roy inman	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] Arrogant Pacific (formerly Union Pacific)

Penned in jest, no doubt. But more than a kernel of truth, methinks. Roy > This was forwarded to me by a friend "in the business". (AP/UP fans feel free > to delete.) > > > > Enjoy, Chuck Porter > > > > > > To the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas" > > > > We're a great big rollin' railroad > One that everyone can see' > > Cause we're Usually Parked on sidings > > That's why we're called U.P. > > We're a million tons of cargo > Just a rottin' in the sun > We're the Union Pacific > And our meltdown's just begun > > From the plugged up yard in Roseville > To our mainline filled with cars > It's a big congested mess > Like a railroad version of SARS > > > We're a thousand wheels of freight train > All being held for power > We're the Union Pacific > Makin' half a mile an hour > > Bound from Omaha to Portland > > Our customers are in luck > 'Cause we're setting out their cargos > To load it all on trucks > > With Amtrak stuck in Oakland > And in Denver and L.A. > We're the Union Pacific > And you're not gonna move today > > From the Valley to Dunsmuir > > We are runnin' out of crews > But we'll deliver your great cargo > 'Cause we're usin' DPU's > > We're much safer and efficient > All thanks to remote control > > We're the Union Pacific > Our bean counters say it's so > > > > With our copyrighted emblem > We're gonna make 'em bleed > > And the beatings will continue > 'Til our tired crews succeed > > Our investors are all waiting > With the shippers on their knees > We're the Union Pacific > And we'll deliver when we please... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view > shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31375	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Union Pacific

To me this appears that UP just wants to throw its weight around. I truly hope that Altherm and Lionel have the resources to withstand this challenge. Since model railroading is not new at all and its logo has been used for 60 years in our hobby, I wonder if UP making the logo protection claims now has real legal meaning. I remember a case from college where Bayer did not protect the Aspirin trademade. Because its lack of legal protection early on, Bayer lost its case when it tried to gain protection later. One would think that UP would have many bigger "fish to fry". I know its been several years since its merger with MP, WP and SP, but the line still doesn't seem to be operating as efficiently as it could. By addressing these internal issues, UP could reduce costs and regain some of the revenue lost to trucks. It is an interesting case to follow. Didn't someone recently bring this issue up at a stockholders meeting? And point out their (UP's) silliness with it? Keep us posted. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31376	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

TO LEGALLY PROTECT OURSELVES SHOULD WE ALL PAINT OVER OUR UP LOGOS ON OUR NORTHERNS?????????? NYC, NP, MP, ETC...BOB RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > To me this appears that UP just wants to throw its weight around. I truly hope that Altherm and Lionel have the resources to withstand this challenge. Since model railroading is not new at all and its logo has been used for 60 years in our hobby, I wonder if UP making the logo protection claims now has real legal meaning. I remember a case from college where Bayer did not protect the Aspirin trademade. Because its lack of legal protection early on, Bayer lost its case when it tried to gain protection later. > > One would think that UP would have many bigger "fish to fry". I know its been several years since its merger with MP, WP and SP, but the line still doesn't seem to be operating as efficiently as it could. By addressing these internal issues, UP could reduce costs and regain some of the revenue lost to trucks. > > It is an interesting case to follow. Didn't someone recently bring this issue up at a stockholders meeting? And point out their (UP's) silliness with it? > > Keep us posted. > > bigfoot > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31377	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Union Pacific

Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it said "American Flyer Lines". Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31378	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Yes..... But I don't think ole AC would sue us for using his A F L logo.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it > said "American Flyer Lines". > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31379	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: UP

Just to keep you all informed on this issue ...Barb http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=46&u_sid=1112474 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31380	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Union Pacific

Did you all know that when this railroad was being built to the east that the U.S. Govt. gave them 640 acres of land for every mile of track that was laid?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31381	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

True.... so I guess to protect all of us we need to paint out all wording..... But all the colors are copyrighted too.... .... Oh well.... we can just hide our stuff..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <jarcho@...> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > Any logo that AC had now belongs to Lionel > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Friday, June 4, 2004, at 01:58 PM, robert allen conner wrote: > > > Yes..... But I don't think ole AC would sue us for using his A F L > > logo.... > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jarcho@...> > > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:48 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > > > > >> Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where > >> it > >> said "American Flyer Lines". > >> > >> Tom Jarcho > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31382	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...

R there no Lionville towns on your railroad? I thought it was funny that AC said a boy wants realism and then monikored most of his engines that way? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:48 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it said "American Flyer Lines". Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31383	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...

Maybe AC had a vision of the future..... That's why we have Comets, Silver Flash, Rockets, etc...... And also didn't the RR's pay to have their names put on Trains????? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Union Pacific... Mythological lines... > R there no Lionville towns on your railroad? > > I thought it was funny that AC said a boy wants realism and then > monikored most of his engines that way? > > Scott Dee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:48 PM > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it > said "American Flyer Lines". > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31384	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Back Alley Era

Hi Gang, It has been mentioned that the back alley does not fit later eras other than transition. It is always nice to give your scene some history with some of these old brick buildings still standing today. Just gotta bar up the windows for modeling 70's and later. The inspiration for the alley kit was photos taken of buildings in Lubbock Texas. A few of these pics are shown on the last pages of the kit instructions. I guess they bricked up many of the windows due to vandals. Also, we have the statistics for the second back alley on the web site. Should be released early next month or sooner. It is a big factory type building that can be arranged and added to in many ways. We are moving forward with the series, because we have faith in S- scale. Besides, I just can't stop building S projects... It's Sooo fun and goes great with the Flyer. Maybe its the wine. Happy Railroading, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31385	From: Tim	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

All my stuff is invisible so I defy them to come after me. In fact, I demand it! Tim Brown out... ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: ljack70117@... Cc: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; jarcho@... Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific True.... so I guess to protect all of us we need to paint out all wording..... But all the colors are copyrighted too.... .... Oh well.... we can just hide our stuff..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <jarcho@...> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > Any logo that AC had now belongs to Lionel > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Friday, June 4, 2004, at 01:58 PM, robert allen conner wrote: > > > Yes..... But I don't think ole AC would sue us for using his A F L > > logo.... > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jarcho@...> > > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:48 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > > > > >> Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where > >> it > >> said "American Flyer Lines". > >> > >> Tom Jarcho > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31386	From: Tim	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...

There are hypocrisies in every religion, even St. Gilbert's! Tim Brown out... ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Union Pacific... Mythological lines... R there no Lionville towns on your railroad? I thought it was funny that AC said a boy wants realism and then monikored most of his engines that way? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:48 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it said "American Flyer Lines". Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31387	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 6, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31388	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Update on Stouts June 12th Auction

The on line catalog for the June 12th auction at Stouts Auctions is up. There are a LOT of super nice American Flyer S and HO items going off next weekend. Get your bids in early!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31389	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Lanes Trains Website Update

Hi All, I have just updated my website with many new photos of recently completed models that went though the Lanes Trains backshop. Please give it a look. There are additions in almost every category. O Scale: More PRR Hoppers PRR FM Flat car with 5 containers. I had custom decals made with different container numbers to complete this car. I have enough decals to complete 3 more cars. HO Scale: 3 PRR Streamlined passenger cars PRR N5e My Models: X33a that I converted to an X32a 3 Scale N8 Cabin Cars that I superdetailed with a correct draft gear, marker lamps, air hose and cut lever chains, conduit for the Trainphone receivers, Trust Plates the generator drive belt and simulated the connection of the Trainphone system to the truck sideframes. I look forward to quoting you on painting your brass models as well. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31390	From: Tim	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Nobody got it

Hi, Nobody got the oblique Star Trek reference I made on a recent S List posting where I demanded sumthin, sumthin. It was inspired by: Star Trek: "Court Martial" Episode 15 Stardate 2947.3. Google it. Better luck next time. Tim Brown (Samuel T. Cogley) out... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31391	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: S Scale Truck

Hi Folks In case you haven't see this ad I uploaded to the files section. It's for an older style Mack tractor & trailer with a two farm tractor load. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31392	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: collecting Flyer & Ribbon Rail

Hi gang, I picked up a Ribbon Rail Track Cleaning car. Does anyone have any information or history with one of these? Second, and this has been brewing in the back of my head for a while, I was very frustrated with the earlier comments about Michael Kolloseus's collection. Does anyone have the right to decide how much Flyer someone else has? Isn't it a free country? Should we register our trains with the IRS so they can start charging us more taxes? How about Flyer welfare? Take from the haves to give to the have nots. Dang! By the way, I left Michael's house last month with 15 boxes of Flyer junk and a big smile on my face. I'll be busy for a year. Over my quota of Flyer junk and vintage air-cooled VWs, Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31393	From: David Engle	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Re: collecting Flyer & Ribbon Rail

I agree with your second paragraph; but. . at the 1972 NASG convention in Kansas City, there were rumblings of an investigation of the possibility of having a city tax on collected items of value, including trains, that was enough for some guys to plan moving their collections. Supposedly a City finance employee had been found looking around at the meets to see if this was feasible. (Too bad Willis Turner is not alive to verify this) I would admit I'd look elsewhere for this to happen first, like whatever you would call the Left Coast, Sustainable Community, etc ., etc. My suggestion is watch for the places where they start taxing you on the miles you drive, as well as the gas you buy. And remember BOHICA--Bend Over, Here It Comes Again. -----Original Message----- From: Jollivier4@... [mailto:Jollivier4@...] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] collecting Flyer & Ribbon Rail Hi gang, I picked up a Ribbon Rail Track Cleaning car. Does anyone have any information or history with one of these? Second, and this has been brewing in the back of my head for a while, I was very frustrated with the earlier comments about Michael Kolloseus's collection. Does anyone have the right to decide how much Flyer someone else has? Isn't it a free country? Should we register our trains with the IRS so they can start charging us more taxes? How about Flyer welfare? Take from the haves to give to the have nots. Dang! By the way, I left Michael's house last month with 15 boxes of Flyer junk and a big smile on my face. I'll be busy for a year. Over my quota of Flyer junk and vintage air-cooled VWs, Jacques S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31394	From: dfsmith26	Date: 6/5/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...

I think you are right about the railroads paying toy manufacturers to put their names on products in AC's day. It served as good advertising for them then. What is different today is that railroads no longer have a consumer product to sell and for which such advertising because they no longer have passenger service. When was the last time any of us contacted UP to schedule a shipment? Their color schemes and designs are not really needed anymore in their actual businesses. I think UP would ship the same amount even if their loco's were painted flat black with the letters UP followed by a number. The color schemes are a legacy and really serve little purpose other than corporate identity and maybe to make a little money out of us, albeit indirectly. I know UP has done a great deal to preserve Class 1 steam operation, which makes me wonder why they think the little money they will make out of this attempt is worth it in the ill will they are creating. It is probably the product of a bunch of short sighted MBA's and attorneys. (Did I really say that? - I'm an attorney myself, but hopefully not a shortsighted one.) Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific... Mythological lines... > Maybe AC had a vision of the future..... That's why we have Comets, Silver > Flash, Rockets, etc...... And also didn't the RR's pay to have their names > put on Trains????? Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:25 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Union Pacific... Mythological lines... > > > > R there no Lionville towns on your railroad? > > > > I thought it was funny that AC said a boy wants realism and then > > monikored most of his engines that way? > > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:48 PM > > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > > > Bob, I always thought the part that ought to be painted out was where it > > said "American Flyer Lines". > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31395	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: ORGANIZE

HI ALL, YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE GET INTO IMPULSIVE BUYING AS WE SURF THE E BAY TRAIN LISTIGS. AND TIME GOES BY. IF YOU ARE LIKE ME SS PENSION FIXES YOUR SEAT. RERESTRAINT IS HARD TO HANDILE AS YOUVE' worked since teenager times and now in retirement your streching the wallet to meet the ebay fees and prices and your electric and telephone bills for the one you"ve had on your wish list for at least 40 years now -well I smartned up I made a order to follow before I go on ebay and(2) shop wherever to find a good deal and avoid ebay..so with a game plan I left to shop and it worked out A_OK for me! I ! come across the Stout Auctions and my thanks to you members for remarking of it in our club. I go to it & geez you can save there. Isaw a no.353 on the [ON-LINE] AUCTION TONITE. BUT THE BIDDING LIKE EBAY is THE EXISTING BID IS KEPT SECRET. THAtS THE DRAW BACK VS THE REAL AUCTIONS YOU CAN FOLLOW THE PRICES PROGRESS. BEFORE I CLOSE I WANT TO SAY " HE WAS A GOOD ****PRESIDENT" and a "HONOR TO THE PRESIDENTIAL SEAL" GOD BLESS THE U.S.A. & the REGANS THANK YOU!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31396	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Nobody got it - "It's always something!"

I thought it was a reference to Saturday Night Live comedian Radner's Roseanne Roseannadana "It's always something!" -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:01 PM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Nobody got it Hi, Nobody got the oblique Star Trek reference I made on a recent S List posting where I demanded sumthin, sumthin. It was inspired by: Star Trek: "Court Martial" Episode 15 Stardate 2947.3. Google it. Better luck next time. Tim Brown (Samuel T. Cogley) out... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31397	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: S-Trains Photo Album URL change

This week my hosting company changed S-Scale.org address. If you have links pointing to Chat, S-Scale.org or Photo Album with the numeric address you need to update them. Chat is http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Photo Album is http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail S-Scale is http://S-Scale.org I also notice my 'Josh Seltzer award' graphic was goofed up too. The correct value is something like http://paulyorke.com/jswa80.gif As always, if you have any trouble with any of my sites, please let me know, just remember to mention the URL of the page with the problem. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31398	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Flyer Fest West #5 photos...

Ed,. I enjoyed your photos!! Even the one of Dewey!!! ;^) http://s-scale.org/albums/FlyerFestWest5 I'm bummed I couldn't make it up this year!! Maybe NEXT year!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31399	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Flyer Fest West #3

I REALLY DID make it up to one!!!! http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album82 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31400	From: Fire Wood	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific alternate model lettering

....any and all combinations , folks, let's have fun with this one..... Bunion Pacific? Onion Specific? Trunnion Horrific? Bumpkin Pacific? Munion Monolithic? Union....oops....Pipe-joining Device....Pacific? Dave W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31401	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific alternate model lettering

MoonYawn Pacific YouGone Pacific Moron Pacific Union Pathetic :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31402	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related

More troubles for Union Pacific, and train passengers.....a big fire near Santa Barbara, Calif. Footage I saw on the news just now, shows one of the big trestles on fire. Highway 101, which is the main highway along the coast is closed. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5150679/ This will for sure interrupt train service between S.F. and L.A. !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31403	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Union Pacific... Mythological lines...

Attorneys maybe should not beat themselves up I think. Those that have a conscience anyway. The way it is ---the good ones usually only do what the public tells them to do. Their knowledge of law and using the law makes them uniquely valuable to those seeking quick fame or fortune? (just opinion thank you). Since UP bought several other roads--Should warnings go out on those monickers as well? One prominent Midwest line they bought about 7 years ago seems to be freely used these days--surprise that UP has not said anything about it? JR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31404	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related

Are they still running trains, thought the big money was in licensing. Friend used to work for UP, she said they would send as many as 8 units west,(from Chicago) hoping 3 or 4 would still be running at the end of the trip. Maybe they could only be fixed in the west???? Jim Lyle Livin' on the Keystone Main [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 6, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31406	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Photo Album URL change

Mr. Yorke wrote: >This week my hosting company changed S-Scale.org address. If you >have links pointing to Chat, S-Scale.org or Photo Album with the >numeric address, you need to update them. >Chat is http://S-Scale.org/forum/ >Photo Album is http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail >S-Scale is http://S-Scale.org Also, anyone with anything stored at Paul's site should check their albums to make sure that everything is still there. My albums lost everything uploaded after May 19 (and that's a lot), so, looks like I have some reloading to do. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31407	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Michael Kolosseus 6/5 train list

Please contack Mike with questions. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS FOR SALE Additions to this train list were last made on 6/05/04 Here is the latest list. As I unpack and grade another couple of boxes, more items will be added allowing a fresh list to be created twice a month. I will send you the updates. Send payment to: e-mail, phone and memberships: Michael Kolosseus mkolosseus@... 10121 Evergreen Way 425-337-1486 (weekends and 5-9pm PDT weekdays) PMB #286 TCA # 71-3496 Everett, WA 98204 TTOS# 363 Shipping Terms. Shipping and insurance by UPS ground service is a flat $12 regardless of the amount or weight of your order! If you wish an expedited delivery, send a certified check or money order. If you pay the cost, I will ship by air. Reservations are gladly accepted by e-mail or phone. Reservations will be held 10 days awaiting your payment. Merchandise will be shipped after your personal check clears. If a refund is due, it will be sent at that time. All trains are fully insured for your purchase price. If damages occur, you will need to file a claim. Retain all packing materials along with broken parts and pieces. UPS will want to inspect it. If you are unsatisfied with your purchase, contact me right away. If I made a mistake perhaps it can be corrected. If not, your money will be refunded upon return of the merchandise. Grading. MINT (M): Brand new, absolutely unmarred, all original and unused. LIKE NEW (LN): Free of blemishes, nicks or scratches; original condition throughout; very little sign of use. EXCELLENT (Ex): Minute nicks or scratches: no dents or rust. VERY GOOD (VG): Few scratches, exceptionally clean, no dents or rust. GOOD (G): Scratches small dents dirty. FAIR (F): Scratched, chipped, dented rusted or warped condition. POOR (P): Beat up junk condition, some useable parts. My grading describes the condition after noting specific defects that should not be present at that grade. For example, a plastic box car with only a few light scratches would be excellent. If this item had some rust on the trucks, it will be described as �rusty trucks. Ex�. The grading standards allows for minor pieces to be missing on excellent items. I will make every effort to discover and note this such as a missing brake wheel on that plastic box car. The same holds true for replacement parts. Likewise, I�ll identify restored items. Some of the trains have not been operated in decades. A good cleaning and lubricating is necessary before layout use. Since most operators can handle this on their own and many shelf collectors are not concerned about operating qualities, I have chosen to hold prices down on each locomotive and sell them �as is� with respect to operating qualities. Items are test run at my bench and if they do not operate, this will be disclosed along with sticky reverse units and failure of smoke units to function. Also, I will note axle wobble (worn bushings) on diesels. Cardboard boxes have all their flaps, but packing slips and original wrapping paper will not be present unless noted. Any breakage, such as pilot steps on plastic locos or steps on hopper cars will be identified on pieces graded at G or above. Unless otherwise noted, decals and stickers are at least 98% complete on Ex, 90% on VG and 70% on G rated items. Pricing I am using the 2004 pricing guides by Greenberg and by McComas. Where their values differ, I split the difference. Most items are priced at or slightly below average guide prices. AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN LIST AF# Description Grade Price SETS 1138 Uncataloged. 343 rev. in loco w/wrapper LN, 923 Ex, 931 LN, 925 VG+, 934 Ex+, 747 trestle set w/box likely incomplete, instruction booklet, copy of Elmer M Olson Co. (Mpls, Minn) ad showing set for sale. w/set box & car separators, no track or trans VG+/LN 1100 20535 Pony Express UP A-A & 4pass cars, 21925 A VG+, 21925-1 very weak lettering one side VG+, 24837 comb Ex, 24838 coach Ex+, 24839 vd Ex, 24840 obs (sticker drumhead) Ex with a rough set box w/ nice rolling stock boxes no track or trans VG+/Ex+ 2300 53067 Silver Bullet 4-6-2 satin finish, decals 90%. Light rust on tender, not smoking, no breakage, loco grade G, 2-655 satin coaches grade VG G/VG 400 5685RH NP A-B-A w/5 streamlined cars,.490, 491 & 493 are Ex, 900 VG, 901 Ex, 902 VG+, 902 VG+, 903.VG except for 3/8 by 1/8 paint blister under drumhead, reverse unit sticky VG/Ex 2500 20710 21209 B+M F-9, square steps, 25081 NYC Hay ejector box w/bales, trip, envelope, instructions, 24329 hooker chemical 24636AFL caboose (white crud on wheels) set box, insert cardboard damaged, instructions, no track or transformer LN 325 LOCOMOTIVES 283 CNW AFL 4-6-2, sticky reverse Ex 85 283 CNW AFL 4-6-2 Ex 90 299 Reading 4-4-2, 1 broken pilot step VG 70 316 PRR 4-6-2, sticky reverse VG 250 326 NYC 4-6-4, no whistle, large motor VG+ 200 342AC NPR 0-8-0, large lettering, chipped headlight visor, not smoking, sticky reverse VG+ 300 371 GM GP-7, shell on 375 frame with horn Ex+ 250 377/378 T&P GP-7s 377 has a 371 motor & frame VG 400 466 Comet A unit, rubber stamp lettering variation, no nose decal or horn VG 250 21160 Reading 4-4-2 VG 25 A-A MP Alcos 21922&21922-1, plastic steps Ex 1000 MP Alcos 21922&21922-1, plastic steps VG+ 800 21573 NH electric, glossy black, some pantograph rust, sticky reverse VG+ 425 21808 CNW switcher, manual reverse, screw hole crack Ex 120 21813 M&StL switcher Ex 600 PASSENGER CARS 652 Pikes Peak coach, maroon VG 150 652 pikes Peak coach maroon, 952 frame, KC trucks, rust on wheel axels, several discoloration spots on roof Ex 100 652 Pullman, red painted, long trucks 1947, frame warp VG+ 300 652 Pullman, red painted, long trucks 1947, frame warp G+ 225 953 Combine, red w/o silhouettes Ex+ 165 set 4 NH orange stripe, w/repro boxes, combine and obs have metal name plates, coach and vd have plastic, 960, 961 & 962 Ex, 963 VG+ --- 800 set 4 MP cars, 24856 combine, 24859 coach, 24863 vd, 24866 obs, blue stripes not thru doors, all cars grade same Ex 1800 FREIGHT CARS 627 CNW girder flat 1946 girder is G, flat is unpainted gray, slight warp, rust on straps Ex 140 630 Reading caboose metal frame G 8 631 T&P gondola, green painted KC conversion Ex 20 632 LNE die cast hopper w/doors, no steps, KC trucks G+ 75 633 B&O box tuscan with white sides, with box LN 70 634 CNW floodlight 1947 warp in plastic VG+ 40 639 AF reefer lemon yellow painted (color is a close match to Katy box yellow) Ex++ 50 639 AF reefer cream color VG 180 639 AF box tuscan 1/8� hole above shield on one side, enough paint chips to be graded G 20 641 AF gondola gray, 1 broken step Ex 300 642 AF reefer tuscan G+ 15 642 Seaboard box G 11 715 operating flat cars w/o loads, trips or buttons black, red and blue G 15 black, red and yellow, have several G 10 F 5 black, red and yellow, KC conversion G 10 715/915 vehicle loads only, no breakage unless noted Tootsietoy racer, 2 dashboard gauges, rubber tires blue #3 Ex+ 75 yellow #7 VG 50 Manoil coupe, silver grill and bumpers green body Ex+ 150 blue body VG 100 Manoil coupe, silver hood, roof, and trunk blue and silver Ex+ 70 Manoil coupe, solid one color blue VG 40 red Ex+ 70 red repaint Ex 30 green, probable restored repaint Ex 30 910 Gilbert chemical Ex 270 912 Koppers chemical Ex 85 915 Renwal red and silver gas truck, no flat car VG 60 915 Renwal yellow and silver gas truck, no flat car Ex 100 916 D&H gondola w/5 VG canisters, car is graded: Ex+ 25 921 CB&Q hopper Ex+ 35 922 GAEX box, painted stripe Ex 45 926 Gulf tank Ex+ 65 (928) C&NW log flat, gray diecast, w/load VG 25 930 AF caboose, red G 15 933 B&O box, tuscan and white LN 60 935 AFL bay window caboose Ex 95 942 Seaboard box VG+ 30 971 SP operating lumber w/load and men, restoration lumber sticks, slight rust VG+ 125 973 Gilbert Milk car, w/platform, button, trip, 4 milk cans Ex 180 980 B&O box, 1 sticker faded Ex+ 125 981 C of G box, dull black version, rusty door latch Ex+ 170 985 B&M box, 1door latch pin broken, very slight rust Ex+ 120 989 CNW reefer, rust on frame and door guides Ex 175 24077 NP pig place stock, rusty door slides, 1 pin latch broken, discolor spots on roof VG+ 200 24048 M&StL box Ex+ 150 24066 L&N box, white core, no brake wheel Ex+ 300 24422 GN reefer, unpainted green plastic G 12 24106 PRR gondola, tuscan painted Ex 80 24125 Beth. Gondola, gay painted, pm car body with KC trucks added w/rail racks, rails taken from straight track, truck rivet holes roughed up Ex 40 24221 C&EI hopper VG+ 140 24321 Deep Rock tank no handrails, 1 broken step KC G+ 40 24321 Deep Rock tank no handrails, 1 broken step KC VG 50 24322 Gulf tank, one-part tank G+ 35 24323 Bakers Chocolate tank gray ends Ex+ 340 24324 Hooker tank VG+ 110 24419 CN reefer Ex 400 24425 BAR reefer, very slight rust LN 650 24556 Rock Island flat w/stakes wheel holder &wheels (broken tab on holder) G 25 24557 Tootsietoy jeeps no flat car (correct for loads) olive drab (1 only) VG 50 red (1 only), no breakage F 25 24558 CP Xmas flat with trees & stakes, some flocking loose Ex+ 360 24558 CP Xmas flat, w/ stakes, no trees Ex+ 55 24562 NYC flat, w/stakes Ex+ 45 24577 IC flat, w/2 containers and box, PM version LN 190 24557 IC flat, w/2 containers, PM version with KC trucks LN 140 24619 AFL bay window caboose 1broken roof walk w/box Ex+ 55 24631 AFL caboose, KC Ex+ 35 ACCESSORIES Electrical wires from the accessories to control buttons, switch controllers, track and transformers are present but almost always less than their original length. All light bulbs work 8B 100w transformer, wood/metal handle VG 25 8B 100w transformer, plastic handle VG 25 17B 190w transformer Ex 75 22 Scenery gravel w/bag, small amount may have leaked out, bag worn with small holes (have 2) VG 15 31 Railroad signs w/8 correct VG signs w/o insert w/Ex+ box VG 150 50 school, gray roof, white trim is unevenly painted, w/box LN 325 162 Factory VG 200 163 Flyerville station all there except for light & roof �Flyerville� sign, w/�Chiclet� sign Ex 250 164 Barn, small loss of roof paper under vents which are loose, roof reglued because old glued dried out, w/box LN 600 249? Tunnel (11 1/2� long) gray and black terrain, red house, brown road VG 27 273 Lake Park station Green trim Ex+ 225 274 Harbor Jct freight station, red trim Ex+ 225 275 Eureka Diner �blue diner� w/box Ex+ 225 566 Whistling billboard, dark green base, motor squeaks badly, w/button G 18 566 Whistling billboard, light green base, w/button G 20 580 Double street lamp, silver, paint nicks under retainer clip, paint chips on bulb, w/insert, bulb container and box Ex+ 55 583 Magnetic crane, dark gray body version, paint loss on magnet and boom truss rods, a few small rust spots on base and rust on unpainted exposed metal, noisy operation, w/unlabeled control button Ex 170 589 Passenger station, green roof, 2 loose windows w/box factory variation base has holes predrilled to become 755 Ex+ 200 697 Pressure track trip, hairline crack, works ok G 5 700 Straight track, lot of 12 pieces (several lots available) VG 10 706 Uncoupler, green housing, w/button, (have several) LN 6 706 Uncoupler, green housing, wires soldered to button (have several) Ex 5 700/726 track section with 726 cut away to accommodate 706 available for $1 extra with each 706 purchased VG 1 720A Single switch controller, without switch (have several) Ex 12 720A Single switch controller, without switch (have several) VG 9 720A Pair remote control switches, with controller, colored dots by binding posts, with box, cardboard inserts, instructions (have 2 pr) Ex 60 720A as above without box, inserts or instructions VG+ 35 as above VG 30 726 Straight rubber roadbed, your choice of black wide tie, black narrow tie or gray (gray has usual discoloration) some pieces have slight layout paint on edges sold in lots of 12 sections (many lots available) Ex 25 727 Curved rubber roadbed, see 726 for options, not repainted Ex 17 727 as above but repainted black VG 14 728 Rerailer, new in box M 30 730 Bumper, green (have several) Ex 20 730 Bumper, green (have several) VG 15 730 Bumper, green G 10 730 Bumper, red slight damage by track clip Ex 110 753 Single trestle bridge, no light unit, 3 loose rusty girders G 25 754 Double trestle bridge, w/bulb, base underside has paint rub off �� by 2�, w/box Ex 250 755 Mystic talking station w/decal, rust on Mystic sign, w/record, horn tube, needle, works ok Ex 130 758A Sam the Semaphore man gray base, plastic tool box, black roof, rainbow wire from button to semaphore has been cut (have 2) Ex 90 761 AFL semaphore, dark green, w/2 697 trips VG w/caution tag w/box Ex 120 761 AFL semaphore, light green w/2 697 trips VG w/caution tag w/box Ex+ 120 761 AF semaphore light green unpainted metal base plate under electrical box replaced with cardboard Ex 60 769 Rotating aircraft beacon gray lamp housing w/rotating top Ex 50 772 Checkerboard water tower gray painted base, metal shack Ex+ 150 772 Water tower, red tank, gray base Ex+ 100 773 Oil derrick red, some warpage in base and platform Ex 130 774 Floodlight tower metal house gray platform 2-tier lights Ex 95 774 Floodlight tower metal house gray platform 2-tier lights w/box Ex+ 110 774 Floodlight tower black lights in 4 corners, ladder warp Ex+ 85 789 Baggage smasher, repro man, wrong control button EX+ 275 792 Terminal shed, roof discolored, w/ramps, metal braces VG 150 23023 artificial coal, new in bag M 20 23743 Track maintenance car w/figure, inserts, instructions, & box light rust on motor Ex+ 175 23780 Gabe the lamplighter, dark green base, control wires cut very short on both button and accessory EX+ 800 23796 Sawmill, complete with extra repro lumber sticks, w/ instructions, box insert and box LN 350 23772 Checkerboard water tower, plastic house, foil sticker Ex+ 180 25062 Mine carrier car, tuscan and yellow new in box, missing button and trip, otherwise complete w/box M 700 26322 90 degree pikemaster 90 degree crossing rusty, w/box Ex 5 26752 remote uncoupler w/track, button, instructions, box LN 15 27441 18v red lamps w/box M 20 Electrical wires from the accessories to control buttons, switch controllers, track and transformers are present but almost always less than their original length. MISCELLANEOUS: 1 � section of curved track installed in � section black wide tie roadbed, lot of 6 pieces VG $6 2 as above with straight track and roadbed VG $10 3 lot of 4 alco motors (1 with pulmor) $40 4 372 UP GP-7. shell only G+ $30 5 21831 T&P shell only VG $50 6 (48327) 1997 AF Christmas box car by lionel w/box, M $50 7 �Model Railroad� by Marshall McClintock (a paperback book devoted to AF trains) Ex $10 8 lionel caboose xmas ornament by Fritz and Floyd, w/box M $10 9 639 AF cream reefer body shell, 7/8� long by 1/8� high chip in one corner, 2�hairline crack on the other side, pin holes damaged G $40 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31408	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: S-Trains Photo Album URL change

***(((Also, anyone with anything stored at Paul's site should check their albums to make sure that everything is still there. My albums lost everything uploaded after May 19 (and that's a lot), so, looks like I have some reloading to do.)))**** Yep, I emailed Paul this morning, I lost just a few 'newer' photos. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31409	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Chat

Stupid new computer just will not let me into chat. Will have to set up the old one for next week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31410	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Non TOY train related...UP/fire related

****((((Except that most of the traffic between San Francisco and Los Angeles is routed over Tehachapi. But it could interrupt Amtrak service.)))))**** Exactly!! I forgot to mention Amtrak.......but I'm assuming UP will be fixin' the trestles, etc. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31411	From: Tim	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: Re: Chat

Oh. Okay. Thanks for letting all of us know that. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Chat Stupid new computer just will not let me into chat. Will have to set up the old one for next week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31412	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/6/2004
Subject: UP

There must be some lawyers among us that can answer a few questions. The UP, along with its fallen flags, had left the trademark and logo unprotected for many years. How long must they leave it unprotected before its use can be public? When you stop by a resturant and get a soft drink, you ask for a "Coke". If the resturant does not serve Coke-Cola, they usually ask, "Will Pepsi be okay?" Thus "Coke" has the meaning of a cola soft drink. There is a point where a trade mark, logo, name, etc. goes unprotected for many years, that the mark, logo or name becomes common and in the public domain. For instance, you ask for Q-tips when you go to the store. Q-tips is a banded name and the company has protected its use. Generically it is referred to as a cotton swab. Vaseline is another example of a product that has been protected. It is a petroleum jelly salve. But still, we ask for Vaseline at the drug store, and will accept the petroleum jelly salve made by another company. Keep in mind that these names have been protected. I don't think the railroads have done this. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31413	From: wintermutedm	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: UP

I don't think it is the common use part that is the issue. If people start referring to toy trains as UPs, I am sure Union Pacific would be thrilled, just as Kleenex, Q-tips and the like enjoy having the product they sell called by their brand name. Talk about instant recognition! I think the problem is when other companies start profiting from that name. If a box maker started putting the Kleenex symbol on its boxes in order to sell more of them, that box maker will have to pay Kleenex for the privilege. As far as the Big L paying for the UP logo, I think they should, or at least work out a deal with UP's marketing department. Legally, I believe they will have to pay up. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > There must be some lawyers among us that can answer a few questions. > > The UP, along with its fallen flags, had left the trademark and logo unprotected for many years. How long must they leave it unprotected before its use can be public? > > When you stop by a resturant and get a soft drink, you ask for a "Coke". If the resturant does not serve Coke-Cola, they usually ask, "Will Pepsi be okay?" Thus "Coke" has the meaning of a cola soft drink. > > There is a point where a trade mark, logo, name, etc. goes unprotected for many years, that the mark, logo or name becomes common and in the public domain. > > For instance, you ask for Q-tips when you go to the store. Q-tips is a banded name and the company has protected its use. Generically it is referred to as a cotton swab. Vaseline is another example of a product that has been protected. It is a petroleum jelly salve. But still, we ask for Vaseline at the drug store, and will accept the petroleum jelly salve made by another company. > > Keep in mind that these names have been protected. I don't think the railroads have done this. > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31414	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Breaking News: Lionel & MTH

Link: http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/196ppdsg.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31415	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: Jan Lorenzen's passing

Today Arleen Lorenzen called to let me know her husband Jan had unexpectedly passed away earlier in the day. For those who do not know Jan, he was the guiding force behind Locomotive Workshop. They made many S scale kits in the late 70's and early 80's. They specialized in brass etchings with soft metal detail parts. RS-1s, FA-2s, GE-44 tonners, E-7s, and a series of EMD switchers and late model hood units come to mind. He also made assembled steam engine boilers and several 40' boxcars produced in injection molded styrene and built up like an airplane kit. Over the years I have seen several of these kits built up to respectable models. He used to hold a O and S scale open house the first weekend in May (before the S Spree's was started). He also hosted an S scale picnic at his workshop during the 1979 NASG convention held with RailCon in Princeton, NJ. When he was active in our scale, he was a great source of information and would give clinics on building brass models. Although he had a stroke in the early 90's, it did not stop him from producing O scale kits. He was a friend and will be missed. Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31416	From: hgetrain	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: Breaking News: Lionel & MTH

- If Lionel is forced to pay MTH $40,775,745.00, there is no way Lionel can survive in its present form. I am sure this award will be appealed. I can't believe that MTH's loss could be anywhere near the amounts stated in this award. The O gauge market must be bigger than I thought. It sounds like the Michigan jury saw a chance to pay Lionel back for moving union jobs out of the state to China. The model train world is the loser because of this award and the Union Pacific litigation. Money that could have been spent on new products is being spent on lawsuits. Lets hope our S gauge producers are able to stay out of these fights. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > Link: http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/196ppdsg.a sp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31417	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: vehicles

It has been a while since I saw any S scale vehicle reports; its a dirty job, but somebody has to do it; I went to the mall. I file this report from K-mart: There were many "Route 66" vehicles including 2 in state police colors. If anybody sees a Minnesota highway patrol car, LET ME KNOW! ALSO I found a JL vehicle that my calibrated eyeball called correct S scale, a mid-50's Ford panel truck painted for Coke, in the correct Coke yellow of that time period. I walked it over to the hardware section and put a tape rule on it; 1-1/8", exactly 6 scale feet wide. IT IS S Scale! Don't even need to repaint it, just use it as a Coke delivery truck! -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31418	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: [Fwd: vehicles]

oopPPSS, I lied....... it is 1-1/16 inch wide, so slightly undersize 8<( -------- Original Message -------- I walked it over to the hardware section and put a tape rule on it; 1-1/8", exactly 6 scale feet wide. IT IS S Scale! Don't even need to repaint it, just use it as a Coke delivery truck! -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31419	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Breaking News ....Here is the article just so you dont have to chas

BREAKING NEWS - MTH AWARDED $40.7 MILLION Jury sides with MTH, says Lionel wrongly benefited from stolen "trade secrets" A federal court jury has awarded MTH more than $40 million in damages after it found that Lionel and its manufacturing partner Korea Brass unfairly profited from stolen MTH blueprints used in the production of high-end Lionel steam locomotives. The decision over what attorneys refer to as "trade secrets" was reached on Monday, June 7, after an 18-day trial in Detroit. Jurors found Lionel L.L.C. liable of misappropriation of MTH's trade secrets. The exact amount of the award was $40,775,745.00. The decision came four years and two months after MTH first filed its claim against Lionel and Korea Brass Co. LTD. "Despite the wishes of some model railroading enthusiasts that pursuing a lawsuit against Lionel wasn't in the best interest of the hobby, I felt our firm had no choice but to seek justice against those who wronged us," MTH President Mike Wolf said in a press release sent to CLASSIC TOY TRAINS magazine. "We believe in pursuing our legal rights and felt that a court challenge was the right thing to do. Laws protecting innovation and the development of new technological improvements ensure that manufacturers will keep investing in their products. Ultimately those improvements provide consumers with better choices, operating features and overall product value. The federal court in Michigan agreed that enough merit existed in our case to proceed to trial, and the jury rightfully found the evidence compelling enough to warrant a verdict in our favor. The award simply reinforces the seriousness of this type of business conduct and should serve as a strong reminder that firms can't look for shortcuts or thumb their nose at ethical business practices." Lionel has no immediate comment on the jury's decision, Julie Laird, Lionel's licensing and communications manager, told CLASSIC TOY TRAINS magazine. Andy Edleman, MTH's vice president of marketing, wasn't certain what comes next, he told CLASSIC TOY TRAINS magazine. "At this point we'll just have to catch our breath," he said. "There is a legal process, I just don't know what it is. I'm sure the ball is in Lionel's court," he added. MTH sued Lionel in April 2000, charging that Lionel knew - or should have known - that the blueprints used to build the Lionel locomotives had been stolen. MTH said the Korea Brass-built models were created in too brief a time for a company that had no previous experience producing die-cast metal articulated O gauge locomotives. The digital blueprints were stolen in 1998 or 1999 from Samhongsa, MTH's former South Korean manufacturing partner, and, according to the lawsuit, were discovered in the hands of a design firm that did sub-contract work for Korea Brass. Four South Koreans were arrested by South Korean authorities and subsequently convicted in the case, according to the lawsuit. Korea Brass and its representative in the United States, Yoo Chan Yang, were defendants along with Lionel in the case, which was heard before Judge John Corbett O'Meara in U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan. The jury was asked to determine whether the stolen drawings fit the definition of trade secrets and whether Lionel wrongly profited from the drawings. MTH sought $33 million in damages. MTH reported the breakdown as follows: MTH's past lost profits $11,978,887.00, MTH's future lost profits $13,794,598.00, Lionel unjust enrichment $12,834,820.00, and Korea Brass and Yoo Chan Yang unjust enrichment $2,167,440.00. The drawings showed mechanical and electrical subassemblies for O gauge articulated locomotives and tools and dies to produce those subassemblies, Wolf had told Classic Toy Trains magazine. The drawings were not for complete locomotives. The locomotives involved included MTH's Premier line C&O Allegheny, Union Pacific Big Boy, and Norfolk & Western A-class 2-6-6-4.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31420	From: dfsmith26	Date: 6/7/2004
Subject: Re: UP

I am a lawyer, but no expert in trademarks. I did find a few links that provide information relevant to the questions you pose, but applying it to the UP v. Lionel and Athern case is not all that clear. A distinction can probably also be drawn between the UP trademark, which is currently used and the fallen flag trademarks which are no longer in use. I think a case can be made that they may have abanonded the latter trademarks, unless they start using them on advertising or marking their cars with them. The first link is the Interntional Trademark Association FAQ page and the second is from the Cornell University Legal Information Institute, an excellent source which I use regularly in my work, albeit in a different area of the law. The UP case probably more accurately involves a " servicemark" rather than a "trademark", as they don't sell a product, but rather a service. Athern and Lionel, on the contrary sell a product, not a service, which makes this an interesting case. It is a rare situation where a service mark is used on a product which is sold and probably models are one of the few items where this is the case. It will be interesting to see where this case lands. I will try to follow it to the extent I can. http://www.inta.org/info/faqsU.html#1 http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/trademark.html Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP > There must be some lawyers among us that can answer a few questions. > > The UP, along with its fallen flags, had left the trademark and logo unprotected for many years. How long must they leave it unprotected before its use can be public? > > When you stop by a resturant and get a soft drink, you ask for a "Coke". If the resturant does not serve Coke-Cola, they usually ask, "Will Pepsi be okay?" Thus "Coke" has the meaning of a cola soft drink. > > There is a point where a trade mark, logo, name, etc. goes unprotected for many years, that the mark, logo or name becomes common and in the public domain. > > For instance, you ask for Q-tips when you go to the store. Q-tips is a banded name and the company has protected its use. Generically it is referred to as a cotton swab. Vaseline is another example of a product that has been protected. It is a petroleum jelly salve. But still, we ask for Vaseline at the drug store, and will accept the petroleum jelly salve made by another company. > > Keep in mind that these names have been protected. I don't think the railroads have done this. > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31421	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 status

Dear Art, It has been about a year since we received our first engineering sample of our 2-8-0. We reviewed commented on the tooling changes needed last September with our engineer. Revised drawings were prepared and reviewed, corrections to the drawings were made where needed and modifications to the tooling are now in progress. Corrections include a new boiler front so that the headlight can be mounted in the center instead of the top, material change from ABS to zamac on the pilot footboards for increased strength, add the missing rivets and boards to the cab roof, re-piping the twin single air pumps, etc. These tooling modifications are taking much longer than on our other projects. We were told about two weeks ago to expect the next set of engineering samples from the new tooling as well as to finish all of the artwork for painted samples. I am hoping to be able to display the new painted samples at the NASG convention this summer in Chicago (I am sure that it will be a great show). We received a smoke for review in December. It was forwarded to Dallee Electronics for testing with the sound synchronization electronic unit. At that time, were not aware that the sample smoke unit was rated at 5 volts. It did produce a lot of smoke for a short time. We asked our engineer to source an 18 volt element for the smoke unit. Two months later we were told that they were not available. Since the start of the smoke unit review, Dallas had sourced some smaller capacitors for our switcher sound units that would also work with the 2-8-0 and allow space for the voltage reduction needed for a 5 volt smoke unit. We asked for additional 5 volt smoke unit samples and these arrived in April. They have been reviewed and corrections are being made. This is what we know today. I also know that once we approve the engineering sample, it will take 90 days to source all of the parts, 90 days to assemble the parts and then 21-28 days to take the boat and arrive to be shipped. Once the samples are received, we will start to test again. I fall goes well we may see these sometime in early 2005. We hate the delays too. We have loans on this project and as you know, once a month the bank holds out it's hand. No one wants to see these engines more than we do. We appreciate your support and hope that it will not be too much longer. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. Art Armstrong wrote: >Hello - > >I have seen ads and read articles about the SHS 2-8-0 but has anyone actually received one yet - besides reviewer's copies? > >Art A > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Open House

You re invited to: The SHS 15th Anniversary Celebration when: 1-6 pm June 11th, 2004 10 am- 5 pm Saturday June 12th, 2004 where: 77 Cliffwood Ave, Suite 8 Cliffwood, NJ 07721 hosted by: the SHS gang Join us for clinics, door prizes, train operation good food and friendship. Please RSVP if your are attending so that Robin can order enough food. Phone # (732)441-0555 **************************************************************************** ** DIRECTIONS TO S HELPER SERVICE Take the Garden State Parkway to Exit #120 (Laurence Harbor/Matawan/Cheesequake Exit). Bear right off the ramp on to Matawan Rd. Travel about 1/4 mile- turn left at the light on to Cliffwood Ave (theres a Pizza Hut and an Exxon station on the corner). Travel about 1 mile on Cliffwood Avenue. You will see a small white church on the right (Harvest Time Worship Center) just after the church you will see a sign for Aberdeen Business Park. Make a right into the business park at that sign. Bear to the right. We are the furthest three units 7C-8. Look for our train logo on the front windows. See you soon. For those requiring an overnight stay, the Hampton Inn of Woodbridge is about 8 minutes from our warehouse. They have given us a rate of $79.00 a night for a double room. The phone # is 732-855-6900. Mention S Helper Service, Showcase Line Trains. This is a very reasonable rate for our area. For those coming on Friday- As we are a business condo, each business owns their parking spaces. We expect our friends to be considerate of our business neighbors and not park improperly. Until 5 pm (during business hours) please park in the Church lot. We have Rev.Scotts permission. On Saturday please park anywhere in our condo lot or the church lot. Phone # (732)441-0555

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31423	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: ABOUT AMERICAN FLYER

WHERE? WHEN?? WHAT? ARE YOU CERTAIN? DID IT HAVE? HOW MUCH WAS IT? and more! THE questions we encounter thru a train year beg answers of fact. Sometimes the actual info is allusive as a butterfly;then again its right there looking at us...like a frog on the log.I find the best factual info does come along when you look for it in the right places. FOR example the wrong place would be the BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY....akaBPL..or a BARNES & NOBLE store ___ dollar for dollar the sure place is at/in the manufacturer's catalog. SUCH A convienet resource is a BLAST FROM THE PAST..a real collector's thing today. JUST TAKE AGANDER INTO A.C.Gilbert's ****1950****TOYS/TRAINS CATALOG! Erector sets; Chemistry sets; H-O trains; Magic sets and more toys..American Flyer sets!!!! COLORFUL PICTURES and pictures showing the product contents. A feature thats especially VIP becuse you can see the item to ID-- its info. SUCH RELEVENCY puts you in the know and increases your personnal knowledge with factual fact.SOMETIMES YOU ARE JUST SITTING BACK TO RELAX --A train catalog-I find is perfect entertainment. and perfect resource for identifying the ERECTOR SET CASES ,and set contents. AND more for me as I still dream of building a copy-cat layout like the American Flyer one in the catalog pictures.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31424	From: Tim	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: UP

Turns out the "UP" on those little white pills I've been taking actually means "Unauthorized Pharmaceuticals". :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31425	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: Silly question

Silly question.... Doesn't Lionel own all of American Flyer stuff????? How can MTH copy all the AF accessories???? Can they deduct the copying of these items from the award????? Isn't the pot calling the kettle black???? Didn't mth remake lots of early Lionel????I am thinking about buying a new car - Ford..... gee what If I get sued because they used Chevy's ideas!!!!!!! Like round wheels!!!!!! All I am doing is saying I want a product and buying it..... seems the total liability should fall on the Original mfr..... unless Lionel supplied them with the info or had full knowledge of the thefts.... I am sure they asked their supplier for a quote to supply "X" products....... Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31426	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Train maker stole designs, panel says

Lionel, affiliate defeated in suit Train maker stole designs, panel says June 8, 2004 BY SUSAN DECKER BLOOMBERG Lionel LLC, a maker of model trains for more than 100 years, and its subcontractor were told by a federal jury in Detroit to pay more than $40.8 million for misappropriating a rival's designs for toy locomotives. M.T.H. Electric Trains accused the Chesterfield Township-based train maker and a South Korean subcontractor, Korea Brass, of getting drawings and plans for the toy train that were stolen from M.T.H. subcontractor Samhongsa, also based in South Korea. Four people in South Korea were jailed, and Korea Brass was found liable to Samhongsa for the thefts, M.T.H. President Mike Wolf said. The jury verdict, issued Monday in U.S. District Court, after a four-week trial, included almost $12 million in lost profits suffered by M.T.H. because of the loss of its trade secrets and almost $14 million for future lost profits. "Despite the wishes of some model railroading enthusiasts that pursuing a lawsuit against Lionel wasn't in the best interest of the hobby, I felt our firm had no choice but to seek justice against those who wronged us," Wolf said in a statement. Wolf founded M.T.H. as Mike's Train House, based in Columbia, Md., in 1980. The company now has 80 employees. Wolf said the company will seek a court order to block Lionel from selling its O gauge steam locomotive based on the stolen designs. A former Samhongsa employee stole some information and later paid another Samhongsa designer for information, which was sold to a Korea Brass designer Wolf said in an interview. Lionel spokeswoman Julia Laird declined to comment on the jury finding. Wellspring Capital Management LLC, a New York buyout firm, owns a stake in Lionel. Lionel also was told to pay $12.8 million for unjust enrichment. Korea Brass and Yoo Chan Yang, the U.S. representative of Korea Brass, were told to pay $2.2 million for unjust enrichment. Also, Union Pacific Corp., the biggest U.S. railroad, filed a lawsuit in its hometown of Omaha, accusing Lionel and Athearn Inc. of Compton, Calif., of using trademarks without permission. The lawsuit, filed May 27, claims Lionel used the trademarks including Union Pacific" and "Building America" without permission. Union Pacific claims that consumers would be confused into thinking the railroad endorsed or sponsored the model trains and it "has no control over the quality" of the trains. Laird also declined to comment on that lawsuit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31427	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Jan Lorenzen's passing

Hi Don Sorry to hear another one of the folk's who kelp S going is gone. Jan will be remembered by many. John At 18:35 6/7/2004, Don Thompson wrote: > Today Arleen Lorenzen called to let me know her husband Jan had >unexpectedly passed away earlier in the day. For those who do not know >Jan, he was the guiding force behind Locomotive Workshop. They made >many S scale kits in the late 70's and early 80's. They specialized in >brass etchings with soft metal detail parts. RS-1s, FA-2s, GE-44 >tonners, E-7s, and a series of EMD switchers and late model hood units >come to mind. He also made assembled steam engine boilers and several >40' boxcars produced in injection molded styrene and built up like an >airplane kit. Over the years I have seen several of these kits built up >to respectable models. He used to hold a O and S scale open house the >first weekend in May (before the S Spree's was started). He also hosted >an S scale picnic at his workshop during the 1979 NASG convention held >with RailCon in Princeton, NJ. When he was active in our scale, he was >a great source of information and would give clinics on building brass >models. Although he had a stroke in the early 90's, it did not stop him >from producing O scale kits. He was a friend and will be missed. >Don Thompson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31428	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP

At 10:17 PM 6/7/04 -0700, you wrote: >I am a lawyer, but no expert in trademarks. I did find a few links that >provide information relevant to the questions you pose, but applying it to >the UP v. Lionel and Athern case is not all that clear. A distinction can >probably also be drawn between the UP trademark, which is currently used and >the fallen flag trademarks which are no longer in use. I think a case can >be made that they may have abanonded the latter trademarks, unless they >start using them on advertising or marking their cars with them. > >The first link is the Interntional Trademark Association FAQ page and the >second is from the Cornell University Legal Information Institute, an >excellent source which I use regularly in my work, albeit in a different >area of the law. > >The UP case probably more accurately involves a " servicemark" rather than a >"trademark", as they don't sell a product, but rather a service. Athern and >Lionel, on the contrary sell a product, not a service, which makes this an >interesting case. It is a rare situation where a service mark is used on a >product which is sold and probably models are one of the few items where >this is the case. It will be interesting to see where this case lands. I >will try to follow it to the extent I can. > > >Dale Smith >Pacifica, CA Simple question. Even if a manufacture could win a suit by Union Pacific, how long would it take, how much would it cost? Is the battle just too expensive, with a victory just not worth the outlay?............................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31429	From: David Engle	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP

Frankly, the hope is that it will cost Union Pacific more than they would ever hope to earn from the effort. Supposedly that is why CSX dropped the first effort, so I am surprised they have cranked it up again. No more UP or CSX stuff on my layout, for sure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31430	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 629 Question

Are the 629 open slat cars a rare version?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31431	From: Art	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: UP

I am a lawyer who does some trademark work and I checked on the Patent and Trademark Office data base and was very surprised to find that Union Pacific has a registered trademark for the use of "Union Pacific" in connection with toy model train sets. They got this mark registered on December 24, 2002 on the basis of a first use date of December 1980. I was unaware that they made or marketed any train sets, but perhaps they did at one time. This trademark also covers goods ranging from tape measures to books and has not been abandoned. If this trademark can stand up in terms of priority it could be very hard for Lionel to fight this law suit. In addition, in 1995 a new statute was passed allowing companies with famous names to claim trademark dilution even though the other product involved is not in their primary market. The trademark must be famous, in that the first thought when someone says Union Pacific is of a railroad. However, dilution is very difficult to prove because the Plaintiff has to show that their mark has actually been diminished in some way in the minds of consumers. This is usually done by survey evidence. I think that type of dilution would be very hard to prove in the model railroad situation, because the name of the model railroad product is not UP, it is a Lionel with UP on it. However, if the UP trademark on toy trains is upheld that would be a much easier case for UP to win. Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31432	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2. Breaking News: Lionel & MTH

Interesting that the O gauge industry is such that a portion of MTH lost profits is $24,000,000. A.C. Gilbert didn't do that in a good year. Glenn >Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:38:10 -0700 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >Subject: Breaking News: Lionel & MTH > >Link: http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/196ppdsg.asp > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31433	From: Tim	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: New project pics

Hi, I posted some new project pics on the S scale photo page. Here's a link to my site: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 I made a Camelback loco and a slopeback tender from Atlantic parts. I gave it pick-up shoes which I made, so it runs like a champ, smokes clouds as well. Also, I put together an Oil/Chemical Depot from spare parts. Lastly, a Clown Billboard, reclaimed from a junker. Take a look and while you are there, visit a few other member's albums at the site. There are some great projects going on! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31434	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: early smoke in boiler

Hi, I opened up a 290 with a date stamp of Feb. 1950. It is most likely this engine has not been opened before since all of the original washers were still there. The smoke in boiler unit had a rectangular black cardboard piece taped over the smoke unit with ancient masking tape. Has anyone ever seen this before? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31435	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 25055 Smoking Caboose?

Here is an interesting Ebay item, a promo sheet for a never built 25055 Caboose. That would have been a neat item in 1958..anyone know why it never hit the market? Do any pre-production models or Toy Fair samples exist? Any information appreciated... Karl http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5902232062&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31436	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/8/2004
Subject: 25055 Smoking caboose?

The auction is listed by Olsonhobbies...Is that Dan Olson? The previous link may not work properly unless you copy and paste. It's ebay #5902232062 or this new link may work a bit better Karl http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5902232062&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31437	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 25055 Smoking caboose?

This link worked for me after I put it back together!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5902232062&rd=1 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31438	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 25055 Smoking Caboose?

I'd bet Lionel stopped them. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Raab" <Frilen@a...> wrote: > Here is an interesting Ebay item, a promo sheet for a never built > 25055 Caboose. > That would have been a neat item in 1958..anyone know why it never > hit the market? Do any pre-production models or Toy Fair samples > exist? > Any information appreciated... > Karl > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=480&item=5902232062&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31439	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: 629 Question

No, the 629 came both ways in fairly common amounts. Its the 929 with open slats that is scarce. It should also have the body mounted by a screw on the end as opposed to 4 corner pins. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bull_gator_1@y... wrote: > Are the 629 open slat cars a rare version?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31440	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: E-7s status

Don, Any update on the E-7 project? Early deposit/discount program etc.? Jack Riely P.S. Thanks for the update on the Consolidation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31441	From: waldootten	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Query for Don Thompson et al

Hi Don -- After a lengthy and exhaustive search, I finally picked up several of your "no longer available" SW-9s -- all NIB and including both CB&Q numbers (2) and a CNW. 1.) Is the sound system you advertise as available for SW-9s in your 2004 catalog compatible with these issues? Is it a plug-in that a moron like myself can install? (It is YOUR fault I can no longer run any of the newer issue S locos without sound.) ;-) 2.) I see in fine print near the consolidation choo-choo in that same catalog book that you [apparently] have halted production of items with road names involved in the current Union Pacific licensing imbroglio. What do I do if I ordered a consolidation with CNW markings? Where do you now stand on this? (I ordered through Doug Peck.) Respectfully, Phil K In the nation's RR capital, Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31442	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: FINDING STUFF

HERE IS AN EXCERPT OF A NOTE I SENT TO A FRIEND..... .... My trip to Atlanta produced only the red 350 engine with no lettering, appears to be a circus engine with the lettering removed and a couple of poorly painted stripes added...and a plasticville piece.... Should have stayed here and looked in my own back yard.... went to a hobby shop today to get a model... mentioned Flyer.... He went in the back and brought out a nice 497 NH 3 car pass set and a 283 freight set 5420T.... both a little dirty, but in real nice shape... the pass set had the engine and car boxes with numbers on most of the box flaps... no set boxes... 700 for all... So now I am going to Atlanta for the Conv..... Look for the "S" badge Barb gave me and say HI.... ( WISH I WAS!!!!!! ) Bob RCON7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31443	From: Tim	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: New project

Hi, I added a "Stretch Atlantic" nested album to show work in progress on a new project. I believe the captions will pretty much explain what I am doing, although if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Here is a link: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo57 My motto is: Stay medicated, but not over-medicated. Maintain, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31444	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: New project pics

Outstanding work, Tim. And thanks for sharing - gave me some ideas! Dick Aurora, OH At 05:43 PM 6/8/2004, Tim wrote: >Hi, > >I posted some new project pics on the S scale photo page. Here's a link >to my site: > >http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 > >I made a Camelback loco and a slopeback tender from Atlantic parts. I >gave it pick-up shoes which I made, so it runs like a champ, smokes clouds >as well. > >Also, I put together an Oil/Chemical Depot from spare parts. > >Lastly, a Clown Billboard, reclaimed from a junker. > >Take a look and while you are there, visit a few other member's >albums at the site. There are some great projects going on! > >Tim Brown > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31445	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: Query for Don Thompson et al

Dear Phil, Sounds like good hunting to me..... Now, on to the questions..... 1. We had to modify the body, chassis and socket so that the speaker and sound unit would fit. The socket set now has a new location and 4 additional socket so I do not believe these items can be used on the old runs without massive modifications. We will have a new C&NW SW-8 if that helps. 2. I believe that the USPTO has not awarded the UP the rights to C&NW at this time. Best regards, Don waldootten wrote: >Hi Don -- > >After a lengthy and exhaustive search, I finally picked up several >of your "no longer available" SW-9s -- all NIB and including both >CB&Q numbers (2) and a CNW. > >1.) Is the sound system you advertise as available for SW-9s in your >2004 catalog compatible with these issues? Is it a plug-in that a >moron like myself can install? (It is YOUR fault I can no longer run >any of the newer issue S locos without sound.) ;-) > >2.) I see in fine print near the consolidation choo-choo in that >same catalog book that you [apparently] have halted production of >items with road names involved in the current Union Pacific >licensing imbroglio. What do I do if I ordered a consolidation with >CNW markings? Where do you now stand on this? (I ordered through >Doug Peck.) > >Respectfully, > >Phil K >In the nation's RR capital, Chicago > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31446	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2004
Subject: Re: E-7s status

Dear Jack, The E-7 (bay window caboose too) is now waiting for the 2-8-0 to be closer to completion. Sorry, Don JNR59@... wrote: > Don, > Any update on the E-7 project? Early deposit/discount program etc.? > > Jack Riely > P.S. Thanks for the update on the Consolidation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31447	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)

On Thursday, June 10, 2004, at 12:19 AM, Edward Loizeaux wrote: > Folks.... > > The new Kaslo Shops Distributing Budd promotional pamphlet and order > form is being printed as you read this. "S"ome new things include: > > 1. Fairly detailed side view illustrations of each car showing the > window/door arrangements. No, the cutlery in the dining car is not > visible. > > 2. Only two trains are being offered -- the NYC's NEW ENGLAND STATES > and the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The ATSF and Canadian trains have suffered > the fate of other potential products that did not receive sufficient > orders and have been cancelled. Sorry 'bout that, Andy. > > 3. Here is a surprise -- Kaslo has announced that only 35 complete > trains, or the equivalent number of individual cars, need be ordered in > order for tooling to begin. Previously, 50 trains was the minimum > quantity needed to begin tooling. Even S scale, with it's smaller > following, ought to be able to muster 35 orders for a 9-car train. > This > is truly a unique opportunity. > > 4. Dealer inquiries are solicited. If mail order causes you a > problem, > contact your local Kaslo Shops' dealer. You do have one, don't you? > Try Tom Hawley and/or Doug Peck. > > 5. Last but not least, these cars will be designed to accept Hi-rail > wheels and AF-compatible couplers in addition to Kadee couplers and > scale wheelsets. The curved route of AF switches will cause problems > with clearances, but the straight route works just fine. > > If anyone would like a complimentary copy of the new Kaslo Budd > pamphlet, please send me a SSAE (large size #10 envelope with stamp and > address) and I will send you one. If there is a volunteer out there > that can post this message to the S-trains list, I would be most happy. > Thanks. For your help, I will send you TWO free Budd pamphlets. > Whadda > deal..... > > Edward Loizeaux > 2221 Via Maderos > Los Altos, CA 94024-7113 > > "S"incerely.....Ed L. > > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our > CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31448	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Last update on Stouts June 12 Auction With AF S

All of the items are going to be on E-Bay live autions so you can bid right from the comfort of your home, and make sure you get the item you want. Go to: <http://cgi6.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=stoutauctions&include=0&since=- 1&sort=3&rows=50> or look up STOUTAUCTIONS and view their auctions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31449	From: David Engle	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)

Are we back to sets only, and there won't be any individual cars available? Could this brochure sheet be scanned?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31450	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] BUDD passenger cars (full scale length)

I do not know. I just forwarded the message. Thank you Larry Jackman On Thursday, June 10, 2004, at 07:50 AM, David Engle wrote: > Are we back to sets only, and there won't be any individual cars > available? > Could this brochure sheet be scanned? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31451	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject:

Hey guys and Gal..... what did I miss here????? The NH flat is the only odd thing I see... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5901850829 Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31452	From: editor	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: JURY AWARDS MTH $40.7 MILLION; SAYS LIONEL BENEFITED FROM STOLEN "T

Obviously, this is primarily O, but potentially could impact pending Lionel S-scale production . . . JURY AWARDS MTH $40.7 MILLION; SAYS LIONEL BENEFITED FROM STOLEN "TRADE SECRETS" _______________________________________________________ A federal court jury has awarded MTH Electric Trains, Columbia, Md., more than $40 million in damages after it found Lionel and manufacturing partner Korea Brass unfairly profited from stolen MTH blueprints used in the production of high-end Lionel steam locomotives. The decision came on June 7 after an 18-day trial in Detroit. Jurors found Chesterfield, Mich.-based Lionel liable of misappropriation of MTH's trade secrets. The exact amount of the award was $40,775,745. The decision came four years and two months after MTH first filed its claim against Lionel and Korea Brass Co. Ltd. "Despite the wishes of some model railroading enthusiasts that pursuing a lawsuit against Lionel wasn't in the best interest of the hobby, I felt our firm had no choice but to seek justice against those who wronged us," MTH president Mike Wolf said in a press release sent to Kalmbach Publishing Co.'s Classic Toy Trains magazine. MTH sued Lionel in April 2000, charging that Lionel knew - or should have known - that blueprints used to build the Lionel locomotives had been stolen. Click here for more. http://www.modelretailer.com/mod/default.aspx?c=a&id=174#MTH Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31453	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re:

that 24566 Grey flatcar is probably worth 1000.00. I've never had the opportunity to pick up one in 30 years of buying, selling, and collecting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31454	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Re:

I suspected that was what it was.... i have never seen one up to now in my past 22 years collecting.... but is it real....or?.... could be a wild gamble too.... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: > that 24566 Grey flatcar is probably worth 1000.00. I've never had the > opportunity to pick up one in 30 years of buying, selling, and collecting > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31455	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: L&N Passenger Decals-S Gauge: Are you interested ?

I am having RailGraphics make L&N passenger car decal sets in S Gauge, and I would like an indication of how many of your are interested in having one or more of these sets. This will help in determining the quantity to order. I will be out of town until Monday. I expect to place the order on Monday after I have had a chance to review my email. These decals are to be produced using the graphics provided by Curt Fortenberry, and this is made possible by Curt's kind permission for me to do these in S gauge. These decals will be done in Dulux and feature L&N's beautiful script lettering for The Hummingbird and Georgian cars. You can see these images on Curt's website that is listed below. http://www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm By the way, Curt's website also presents some very nice freight car decals in HO gauge for railroads of the South, like NC&StL, A&WP, and Western Railway of Alabama. I have used a couple of these sets to decal S gauge box cars and have been quite pleased. In the future, I hope to be able to offer some additional decals for L&N and NC&StL passenger cars. These will include letterboard script for both railroads with car names for the Pine series sleepers. Lazer Horizons offers car sides for this car. Earl Henry, Jr. Nashville, TN 615/352-1181 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31456	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 6/10/2004
Subject: Union Station Kit

Hi, Does anyone know where I could find a Union Station type kit (or scratch building plans)for my layout in S gauge (or O gauge) Right now I have a Plasticville Union Station which is the look I like but is is very small. I'm looking for a more imposing structure. Walthers does a very nice HO scale Union Station but I need S or O scale. Anybody have any ideas for me? Thank You Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31457	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: "EARLY" Rail-Autos

Groups, How's this for a modeling project!? : http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/9674/Railroad/vpm44165.jpg Is it a train, or is it a car? (Let me know if link does not work) John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31458	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: Re: "EARLY" Rail-Autos

Now that is cool! Just up my alley. "John Degnan (RailScaler)" wrote: > Groups, > > How's this for a modeling project!? : > > http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/9674/Railroad/vpm44165.jpg > > Is it a train, or is it a car? > > (Let me know if link does not work) > > John Degnan > RailScaler@... > >From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31459	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: New Supply Dock Advert

Hi Gang, We are in the process of producing some nice little Supply Dock structures that will fit in a tight space. This is the first in our fully built line for s-scale. Also, we still have some Back Alley number 1 and 2 kits in the works. Here is a link to the fun stuff. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/supply_dock_s.htm Thank you for your continued support. Keith Pine Canyon Scale Models.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31460	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 13, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31461	From: polpolk9	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: please advise

is FRED JESTER AF PARTS SERVICE STILL AROUND. CAN YOU SEND ME HIS- E MAIL ADRESS... THANKS--JAY POLPOLK9@... AND ONE MORE THING. WILL THE PRESENT LIONEL MATTER CONEQUENT LIONEL'S AMERICAN FLYER OUTPUT?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31462	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2311

SHS OPEN HOUSE I went Fri and a good time was had by all. Good food/ good folks. I wanted to see the new E7 but got a F7 power chassis instead. This is customer building at its best.Thanks Robin and Don. Tom HIllery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31463	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: AF Parts Listing

The latest American Flyer parts listing from Joe's Train Repair is now available for no charge by sending a double-stamped, business envelope to Joe's Train Repair, 404 Shetland Road, Rougemont, NC 27572-9338. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31464	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: American Flyer Parts Listing

My last message should have read: The latest American Flyer parts listing from Joe's Train Repair is now available for no charge by sending a self-addressed, double-stamped, business envelope to Joe's Train Repair, 404 Shetland Road, Rougemont, NC 27572-9338. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31465	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Union Station Kit

Walt, You may be in luck. In the May 2004 CLASSIC TOY TRAINS, beginning on page 54, is an excellent article and plans on how to make a more impressive Union Station. The author used 3 complete Union Station kits, the front of a Plasticville two-story bank; and, optionally, the skylights from two additional Union Station kits, and four wall mounted Plasticville lights. You probably don't need ALL these parts, but perhaps the article will give you some ideas on how to create a bigger UNION STATION of your own. GOOD LUCK! Regards, Randy Griggs ****************************************************************************** In the [S-Trains] Digest Number 2311, you wrote: Message 5 Date Thu, 10 Jun 2004 192737 -0000 From "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> Subject Union Station Kit Hi, Does anyone know where I could find a Union Station type kit (or scratch building plans)for my layout in S gauge (or O gauge) Right now I have a Plasticville Union Station which is the look I like but is is very small. I'm looking for a more imposing structure. Walthers does a very nice HO scale Union Station but I need S or O scale. Anybody have any ideas for me? Thank You Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31466	From: Tim	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Stretch Atlantic update

Hi, I added several pics to my album site showing progress to the stretch Atlantic I am building. Here is the link to the site: http://s-scale.org/albums/album51 I think the progress is interesting. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31467	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update

Tim wrote: >Hi, > >I added several pics to my album site showing progress to the stretch Atlantic I am building. Here is the link to the site: > >http://s-scale.org/albums/album51 > > > This is really neat Tim! Every since I kitbashed an O scale engine house to S, I have gotten really interested in this kind of thing. If they won't make us what we want in S, lets bash it! I am really interested in bashing engines from other scales to S as well. This k-line big boy that someone is bashing, I would like to know some details of ow he is turning this 1/58 scale engine into S. Would love to do it, just don't know what I would be getting into... I know there is a fellow who will do it for you for several hundred dollars... Tim, I hope you are keeping a detailed photo record of your modifications. I would love to see something like this become a "how I did it" kind of article to get some of the rest of us started on this sort of thing... Wasn't there someone on the list trying to turn a couple AF steamers into a larger articulated engine? What ever happened to that? Very curious!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31468	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Digest

I no longer receive the S-Trains Digest................ What happened? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update

Chuck.... The process of redoing the big boy to "s" consists of mainly milling down the frame to narrow it.... re gauging and insulating all the wheels.... rewiring.... etc... you are still left with an oversized engine.... it does require a lot of work.... Paul had a couple pics of the 2 mallets I did.... a 4 6 6 2 and a 4 4 4 2.... I also did, but never finished a 2 6 2 using an Atlantic with a front from a Pacific.... That was back in the days when it was fun to cut these things up and to kit bash ..... At 5 - 10 each.... BUT NOW !!!!!!!!! I picked up some 4 hole side rods at York last trip..... THINKING !!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> To: "Tim" <Timboy@...> Cc: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stretch Atlantic update > Tim wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I added several pics to my album site showing progress to the stretch Atlantic I am building. Here is the link to the site: > > > >http://s-scale.org/albums/album51 > > > > > > > > This is really neat Tim! Every since I kitbashed an O scale engine house > to S, I have gotten really interested in this kind of thing. If they > won't make us what we want in S, lets bash it! > > I am really interested in bashing engines from other scales to S as > well. This k-line big boy that someone is bashing, I would like to know > some details of ow he is turning this 1/58 scale engine into S. Would > love to do it, just don't know what I would be getting into... I know > there is a fellow who will do it for you for several hundred dollars... > > Tim, I hope you are keeping a detailed photo record of your > modifications. I would love to see something like this become a "how I > did it" kind of article to get some of the rest of us started on this > sort of thing... > > Wasn't there someone on the list trying to turn a couple AF steamers > into a larger articulated engine? What ever happened to that? Very curious! > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31470	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update

Nice work Tim. Does this represent a specific type locomotive or is it a fantasy loco? Steve Blancard Tim wrote: > Hi, > > I added several pics to my album site showing progress to the stretch Atlantic I am building. Here is the link to the site: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album51 > > I think the progress is interesting. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31471	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: Stretch Atlantic update

Hello Robert! I think Tim is doing a great job on his engine. It might have been me you were thinking about, with respect to the 4-6-6-4 I am building. I had pictures with me at the Thursday nite deal at York this April. The loco is basically done. It will go around AF curves no problem. Just have to finish it by installing the stock motor and building a tender for it....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "Tim" <Timboy@...>; "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> Cc: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stretch Atlantic update > Chuck.... The process of redoing the big boy to "s" consists of mainly > milling down the frame to narrow it.... re gauging and insulating all the > wheels.... rewiring.... etc... you are still left with an oversized > engine.... it does require a lot of work.... Paul had a couple pics of the 2 > mallets I did.... a 4 6 6 2 and a 4 4 4 2.... I also did, but never finished > a 2 6 2 using an Atlantic with a front from a Pacific.... That was back in > the days when it was fun to cut these things up and to kit bash ..... At 5 - > 10 each.... BUT NOW !!!!!!!!! I picked up some 4 hole side rods at York last > trip..... THINKING !!!! Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> > To: "Tim" <Timboy@...> > Cc: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stretch Atlantic update > > > > Tim wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I added several pics to my album site showing progress to the stretch > Atlantic I am building. Here is the link to the site: > > > > > >http://s-scale.org/albums/album51 > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really neat Tim! Every since I kitbashed an O scale engine house > > to S, I have gotten really interested in this kind of thing. If they > > won't make us what we want in S, lets bash it! > > > > I am really interested in bashing engines from other scales to S as > > well. This k-line big boy that someone is bashing, I would like to know > > some details of ow he is turning this 1/58 scale engine into S. Would > > love to do it, just don't know what I would be getting into... I know > > there is a fellow who will do it for you for several hundred dollars... > > > > Tim, I hope you are keeping a detailed photo record of your > > modifications. I would love to see something like this become a "how I > > did it" kind of article to get some of the rest of us started on this > > sort of thing... > > > > Wasn't there someone on the list trying to turn a couple AF steamers > > into a larger articulated engine? What ever happened to that? Very > curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31472	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] L&N Passenger Decals-S Gauge: Are you intere

Ed, I've been away from e-mail for a few days and don't know if you've closed out. Before I order, I'd like to know if L&N ran any cars northward on the PRR that I could model. Also, on a related subject, do you do any freight car decals sets that might be usable on PRS cars? Very best wishes (although I model B&O and some PRR, L&N is one of my "alternative favorites"). Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31473	From: trainman634	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Small Diesel Engine

Can anyone suggest a small diesel engine in S-Gauge that I could use on a shelf switching layout? I would be using SHS track. I would like to keep the cost under $200.00.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31474	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Re: Small Diesel Engine

Hi Trainman Did you consider SHS's SW-1 or SW-9. Check them out at http://www.showcaseline.com/ John At 20:23 6/12/2004, trainman634 wrote: >Can anyone suggest a small diesel engine in S-Gauge that I could use >on a shelf switching layout? I would be using SHS track. I would like >to keep the cost under $200.00. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31475	From: Pierre Paradis	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: horn or whistle generator replacement?

Hello all,does anyone of you know a trick to build a generator (electronic) to replace the old one, I'm looking everywhere on the web and I found nothing about this, I'm sure someone in the group can make a horn or whistle generator with electronic parts, if yes can you sent me on my e-mail a diagram an explication and parts I can puschase on radio shack, thanks to advance, I'm a member of this group for a 2 years and I learn a lots of thing in train, a real fan Pierre. --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31476	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: EP-5 TMCC Conversion

I just finished a TMCC conversion to an AF EP-5. I added remote operating electrocouplers too. Take a peek at: http://www.tuveson.com/EP5/TMCC-AF-EP5.htm More Fun! Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31477	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 13, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31478	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/14/2004
Subject: Sunday chat

I find myself with the same problem as someone last week. I have a new computer & cannot log onto chat. If anyone else has had this problem & has solved it, please email me off-list & let me know how you solved the problem. Cindy & Hank Buehling diningcar@... The Dining Car Please visit our auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=diningcar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/14/2004
Subject: 583 Crane pinion gears , and Oil Drum Loader carts

In the past, there have been several inquiries about availability of the small pinion gear that is centered within a large flat steel gear, which is probably the most common defect in a non-operating E-M crane. The pinion gear is easily chewed up, making the unit inoperable. We had a small supply of those gears made (just the pinion gear....not the flat gear), and we now have them available. We also had a supply of the Oil Drum Loader carts produced....these are NOT spin-castings (some of which tend to be a little "rough" looking, and soft). These are actually laser-cut from a block of metal....they are VERY nice reproductions. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31480	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: What is the name for 2-6-4?

I'm at work without my lookup tables. A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. A 2-10-4 is a Texas. What is a 2-6-4? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31481	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

PRAIRIE???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] What is the name for 2-6-4? > I'm at work without my lookup tables. > > A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. > A 2-10-4 is a Texas. > > What is a 2-6-4? > > Thank you, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31482	From: Dave Baker	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 type

Apparently it's called an "Adriatic". Any idea what roads had these?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31483	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] What is the name for 2-6-4?

Thank you, Pieter. And for someone else's education: a 4-6-2 is a Pacific. Catherine and I are saddened by the loss of your father, Hank. He showed up two hours early for a CSG meet I held in 1989. He promptly put himself to work and was a great help. (He also consumed two of our hot, fresh, homemade cinnamon rolls!) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: pieter.roos@... [mailto:pieter.roos@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:02 AM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: S-Scale (S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] What is the name for 2-6-4? According to http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/wheels.html it is an "Adriatic" type, but none were used in North America. Pieter > I'm at work without my lookup tables. > > A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. > A 2-10-4 is a Texas. > > What is a 2-6-4? > > Thank you, > Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31484	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Rumors of Hank Roos' death are premature...

To all: I expressed my condolences to Pieter Roos earlier today on the loss of his father. Pieter corrected me. It was his MOTHER who passed away a couple of months ago. Pieter informs me that Hank is still with us. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31485	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

What is a Mikado???? ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is the name for 2-6-4? > A 2-6-2 is the prairie > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 10:47 AM, robert allen conner wrote: > > > PRAIRIE???? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > > To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:22 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] What is the name for 2-6-4? > > > > > >> I'm at work without my lookup tables. > >> > >> A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. > >> A 2-10-4 is a Texas. > >> > >> What is a 2-6-4? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Thorin > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31486	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

A 2-6-4 is a double end tank type [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31487	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

A Mikado is a 2-8-2.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31488	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Parts Listing

Hi Joe, I sent you a list of parts I need this morning. I've een having problems with the "improved" Yahoo email and wanted to see if you received my email. Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > My last message should have read: > > The latest American Flyer parts listing from Joe's > Train Repair is now available for no charge by sending > a self-addressed, double-stamped, business envelope to > Joe's Train Repair, 404 Shetland Road, Rougemont, NC > 27572-9338. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31489	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

I thought everyone knew a 2-6-4 was a LIONEL Pacific, as close as they could get. Used the same basic boiler as a lot of other LIONEL engines, looked similar to something or other on rails. BEST they could do. Jim Lyle, Livin' on the Keystone Main [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31490	From: James Hannawald	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

Check out the following web site http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/wheels.html It lists all wheel configurations 2-6-4 is a Adriatic Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] What is the name for 2-6-4? > I'm at work without my lookup tables. > > A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. > A 2-10-4 is a Texas. > > What is a 2-6-4? > > Thank you, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31491	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 name

> "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> asked: > What is the name for 2-6-4? > There is no name for a 2-6-4 because the only North American prototypes built were tank engines, basically 2-6-0's with a four wheel truck to support the coal and water bunker behind the cab. I think that they were built for the Boston and Albany, but don't quote me on that. In Europe, there was at least one 2-6-4 (with a tender) that ran in Austria, if I remember correctly. When I was young, it bothered me that Lionel made 2-6-4's, because no real ones ever existed. Later I found out that the pre-Gilbert American Flyer line also included at least two different style O gauge 2-6-4's. They claimed that one was a Hudson. There are other wheel arrangements that don't have names either: 0-4-0, 0-4-2*, 0-4-4, 0-6-0, 0-6-2*, 0-8-0, 0-8-2, 0-10-0, 0-10-2, 0-4-4-0, 0-6-6-0, 0-8-8-0, 2-4-0, 2-4-4*, 2-6-6*, 2-8-6*, 2-4-4-2, 2-6-6-0, 2-6-6-2, 2-6-6-4, 2-6-8-0, 2-8-8-0, 2-8-8-2, 4-2-0, 4-2-2, 4-2-4*, 4-6-6*, 4-4-4-4, 4-4-6-2, 4-4-6-4, 4-6-6-2, 4-8-8-2 and 6-8-6. Some of those were really common, others really obscure, and some built only as tank engines (those with a '*'). It's sort of interesting that some of these, like 0-4-0's, 0-6-0's, 0-8-0's, 2-6-6-2's and 2-8-8-2's, were so common, but never got named, but why not is all lost to history now. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31492	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 name

mike...ISN'T 0 4 0 A docksider??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2-6-4 name > > "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> asked: > > What is the name for 2-6-4? > > > > There is no name for a 2-6-4 because the only North American > prototypes built were tank engines, basically 2-6-0's with a four > wheel truck to support the coal and water bunker behind the cab. > I think that they were built for the Boston and Albany, but don't > quote me on that. > > In Europe, there was at least one 2-6-4 (with a tender) that ran > in Austria, if I remember correctly. > > When I was young, it bothered me that Lionel made 2-6-4's, > because no real ones ever existed. Later I found out that the > pre-Gilbert American Flyer line also included at least two > different style O gauge 2-6-4's. They claimed that one was a > Hudson. > > There are other wheel arrangements that don't have names > either: 0-4-0, 0-4-2*, 0-4-4, 0-6-0, 0-6-2*, 0-8-0, 0-8-2, > 0-10-0, 0-10-2, 0-4-4-0, 0-6-6-0, 0-8-8-0, 2-4-0, 2-4-4*, > 2-6-6*, 2-8-6*, 2-4-4-2, 2-6-6-0, 2-6-6-2, 2-6-6-4, > 2-6-8-0, 2-8-8-0, 2-8-8-2, 4-2-0, 4-2-2, 4-2-4*, 4-6-6*, > 4-4-4-4, 4-4-6-2, 4-4-6-4, 4-6-6-2, 4-8-8-2 and 6-8-6. > Some of those were really common, others really obscure, > and some built only as tank engines (those with a '*'). It's > sort of interesting that some of these, like 0-4-0's, 0-6-0's, > 0-8-0's, 2-6-6-2's and 2-8-8-2's, were so common, but > never got named, but why not is all lost to history now. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31493	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: Circular Freighthouse

INTERESTING. I saw something a bit "similar" in central Illinois this spring. 'Twas a balloon track coming off the branchline in farm country. 180 degrees from the switches in / out of the branchline was a grain elevator. Presumably empties on one side. Loads on the other. Mike Shea wrote: > A few months ago I mentioned having read about a circular freighthouse > surrounded by 2 or 3 concentric tracks. Now I've just stumbled across > the reference. > > See http://www2pb.ip-soft.net/railinfo/car-floats/harlem-transfer.html > if you are interested. > > - Mike > -- Ted Larson Take-offs are optional; Landings are mandatory!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31494	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 name

Baldwin built 10 of these for the Philadelphia and Reading in 1903. They were used in suburban service between the Reading Terminal in Phila, and Chestnut hill. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31495	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Converter

Found these while railroad surfing on the net. Have fun with them. Lou Baldi http://www.csgnetwork.com/modrrscalecalc.html http://www.csgnetwork.com/modrrscaleconv.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31496	From: Fire Wood	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

Hi, I don't think the 2-6-4 had a "name" as such. The American 4-6-4 was the Hudson, of course, but in the U.K. the 4-6-4 is referred to as a "Baltic", for example The 2-6-2 is a "Prairie" on both sides of the Atlantic.....go figure. As for the 2-6-4. it was popular in Europe as a passenger/suburban locomotive in a tank configuration. http://www.semg.org.uk/steam/std4t_1.html http://www.thesignalbox.uk.com/html/Aster/Japan_2-6-4_C11.htm I have a fuzzy recollection that the Reading RR had a 2-6-4 Camelback at one time, and the Canadian Pacific had some as suburban types like the European ones. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31497	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

According to the Whyte System of Wheel Notation It doesn't even list the 2-6-4. According to the same system Europe counts axles not wheels. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31498	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2004
Subject: 2-6-4 Is an ADRIATIC

Steam Loco Wheel Classification I don't know if this link will work for you guys but you can search under Whyte Wheel Notation Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31499	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: What is the name for 2-6-4?

A 2-6-2 is the prairie Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 10:47 AM, robert allen conner wrote: > PRAIRIE???? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:22 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] What is the name for 2-6-4? > > >> I'm at work without my lookup tables. >> >> A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. >> A 2-10-4 is a Texas. >> >> What is a 2-6-4? >> >> Thank you, >> Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31500	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Found - Limited Supply of 2004 Greenberg Price Guides

Many of you who wanted this year's Greenberg Pocket Price Guide for American Flyer were turned away as they sold out in March. Kalmback Publishing has informed me that they found some and are sending them to me. The price is $12 including shipping in the US. Please get your orders in quickly as they will sell out quickly. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31501	From: strain97009	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004

Hi All, Just wanted to remind you about the upcoming NASG Regional Convention "Puget Sound 2004" July 10 through the 14th at the La Quinta Inn in Tacoma Wa. This is a good chance to meet other S model railroaders and enjoy a vacation at the same time. Below is a brief look at what is planned. Saturday Jul.10 Check in at 1pm. Busses load at 3:45 for a trip to the Kitsap Live Steamers that will include a picnic dinner. The return trip offers a chance to visit 2 AMERICAN FLYER layouts. Sunday Jul.11 9am Busses load for the National Train Show in Seattle with the option of spending the day there, or a half day at the NTS with sightseeing in and around Seattle, or a full day of sightseeing. The day will end with a dinner cruse on the Argosy Goodtime II. Monday Jul.12 9am Busses load for a trip to Coast Engine and Equipment Co a locomotive rebuilder, or antique shopping and train watching in the Centralia area. At noon we board our own private train for a trip behind a 1915 Baldwin 2-8-2 that includes a stop for lunch. At 6:45pm busses load for a tour of 3 AMERICAM FLYER/HIRAIL layouts. Tuesday Jul.13 Offers an S Only trade show/swap meet. There will also be clinics and a display room. At 6:45pm busses load for a tour of 3 STANDARD and NARROW GAUGE layouts. Wednesday Jul.14 9am Busses load for a trip the Mount Ranier Scenic RR for our own private trip behind a Shay or Climax logging engine over a route not used by their public excursion trains. This evening there is an informal banquet to just relax and visit. The Convention Car is a Milwaukie Road "Peek-a-Boo" gondola with the choice of a pipe or log load. For more information contact; Jerry/Nancy Hildenbrand at nhildenbrand@... Gil Hulin at ghulin@... Register NOW!! Come join the fun!! Bob Boring borore@... Northwest S Scalers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31502	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Found - Limited Supply of 2004 Greenberg Price Guides

Unless a customer is wedded to having half a guide devoted to AM and SHS, may I suggest that there is a higher quality and more accurate 2004 AF guide published by TM Books.<grin> Best. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:26:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amerflyer@... writes: Many of you who wanted this year's Greenberg Pocket Price Guide for American Flyer were turned away as they sold out in March. Kalmback Publishing has informed me that they found some and are sending them to me. The price is $12 including shipping in the US. Please get your orders in quickly as they will sell out quickly. Mark Mark B. Preman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31503	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Puget Sound 2004

Question::: Will there be any S Scale dealers at this show that will not be at the NMRA show??? Thank you Larry Jackman On Wednesday, June 16, 2004, at 10:13 AM, strain97009 wrote: > Hi All, > Just wanted to remind you about the upcoming NASG Regional > Convention "Puget Sound 2004" July 10 through the 14th at the La > Quinta Inn in Tacoma Wa. This is a good chance to meet other S > model railroaders and enjoy a vacation at the same time. Below is a > brief look at what is planned. > > Saturday Jul.10 Check in at 1pm. Busses load at 3:45 for a trip to > the Kitsap Live Steamers that will include a picnic dinner. The > return trip offers a chance to visit 2 AMERICAN FLYER layouts. > > Sunday Jul.11 9am Busses load for the National Train Show in > Seattle with the option of spending the day there, or a half day at > the NTS with sightseeing in and around Seattle, or a full day of > sightseeing. The day will end with a dinner cruse on the Argosy > Goodtime II. > > Monday Jul.12 9am Busses load for a trip to Coast Engine and > Equipment Co a locomotive rebuilder, or antique shopping and train > watching in the Centralia area. At noon we board our own private > train for a trip behind a 1915 Baldwin 2-8-2 that includes a stop > for lunch. At 6:45pm busses load for a tour of 3 AMERICAM > FLYER/HIRAIL layouts. > > Tuesday Jul.13 Offers an S Only trade show/swap meet. There will > also be clinics and a display room. At 6:45pm busses load for a > tour of 3 STANDARD and NARROW GAUGE layouts. > > Wednesday Jul.14 9am Busses load for a trip the Mount Ranier > Scenic RR for our own private trip behind a Shay or Climax logging > engine over a route not used by their public excursion trains. This > evening there is an informal banquet to just relax and visit. > > The Convention Car is a Milwaukie Road "Peek-a-Boo" gondola with the > choice of a pipe or log load. > > For more information contact; > Jerry/Nancy Hildenbrand at nhildenbrand@... > Gil Hulin at ghulin@... > > Register NOW!! Come join the fun!! > > Bob Boring > borore@... > Northwest S Scalers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31504	From: Tim	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Stretch Atlantic project

Hi, I added another pic of the Stretch Atlantic project to the album site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo57 The new pic shows the loco part nearing completion. The next time I tear it down, I'll add a pic or two of the chassis. I added a stack of lead ingot weights to the chassis before I painted it black. I want the loco to have enough weight to pull a nice string of cars, since the shell is plastic. I think the weight on the chassis will work out even better than weight from a die-cast shell, since the weight is lower. I'm still undecided on the final wheel config; 4-8-0 or 4-8-4. I'm also undecided on whether I want to make a stretch tender a slope-back or not. I think I favor a 4-8-4 loco with a stretch slope-back tender. I welcome any feedback or suggestions! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31505	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: MR Survey

Hi Folks Model Railroader is conducting a survey. One question is what scale interests you. http://apps.kalmbach.com/survey/default.aspx?sid=116&auth=ITWXhK9EBJ Don't forgot to check S John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31506	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: 2-6-4

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:16:55 -0000 From: "Dave Baker" <dbaker221@...> Subject: 2-6-4 type Apparently it's called an "Adriatic". Any idea what roads had these? Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:05:23 EDT From: fredstrainparts@... Subject: Re: 2-6-4 name Baldwin built 10 of these for the Philadelphia and Reading in 1903. They were used in suburban service between the Reading Terminal in Phila, and Chestnut hill. The ten that Baldwin built in 1903 were called Suburban Tank Locomotives, Class Q1-c. There is a picture of # 381 in the book "Memories of Reading Company Power" by Paul Carleton. They ran in either direction and had modified Wooten boilers. There is also a picture of a 2-6-6T, #623, built by Baldwin in 1892. Of note is the 4-4-2 Atlantic, the prototype ACG used for his Atlantics. These were built in 1915 as 4-4-4's but modified a year later to the 4-4-2's because the suspension system didn't work. There were only 4 of them. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31507	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: WHEEL CONFIGURATION

var ctime = new Date(); var CT = ctime.getTime(); document.write(''); Railway Technical Web Pages for those interested in the design, technology, planning, maintenance and operation of railways. Steam Locomotive Wheel Arrangements This page contains a table of the various steam locomotive wheel arrangement classifications used in different countries.  It was originally produced, in French, by Andre-Pierre Allanic, who has a web site at http://perso.club-internet.fr/cosme/index.htm.   It is reproduced here in English with his kind permission.Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002. To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contents Some time after the introduction of steam locomotives, it became necessary to find a way of classifying them.  Eventually, a system was introduced based on the number and arrangement of the axles or wheels, which allowed a locomotive type to be described by observing the types of wheels, beginning from the front: the number of carrying wheels, followed by the number of driving wheels, followed by the number of trailing wheels.   In using the system, the French counted the axles, the Germans also counted the axles but used letters only for the driving axles instead of numbers and the Americans and British counted the number of wheels. This table shows how the classifications work. Wheel Arrangement French Notation German Notation US and UK Notation US nicknames, also sometimes used elsewhere Oo 011 A1 0-2-2   oO 110 1A 2-2-0   oOo 111 1A1 2-2-2   ooO 210 2A 4-2-0 Jervis ooOo 211 2A1 4-2-2   OO 020 B 0-4-0   OOo 021 B1 0-4-2   oOO 120 1B 2-4-0   oOOo 121 1B1 2-4-2 Colombia ooOO 220 2B 4-4-0 American ooOOo 221 2B1 4-4-2 Atlantic ooOOoo 222 2B2 4-4-4 Reading OOO 030 C 0-6-0   oOOO 130 1C 2-6-0 Mogul oOOOo 131 1C1 <FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times 2-6-2 Prairie oOOOoo 132 1C2 2-6-4 Adriatic ooOOO 230 2C 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler ooOOOo 231 2C1 4-6-2 Pacific ooOOOoo 232 2C2 4-6-4 Baltic or Hudson OOOO 040 D 0-8-0 Switcher oOOOO 140 1D 2-8-0 Consolidation oOOOOo 141 1D1 2-8-2 Mikado oOOOOoo 142 1D2 2-8-4 Berkshire ooOOOO 240 2D 4-8-0 Mastodon or Twelve-wheeler ooOOOOo 241 2D1 4-8-2 Mountain ooOOOOoo 242 2D2 4-8-4 Niagara or Northern OOOOO 050 E 0-10-0   OOOOOo 051 E1 0-10-2 Union oOOOOO 150 1E 2-10-0 Decapod oOOOOOo 151 1E1 2-10-2 Santa Fe oOOOOOoo 152 1E2 2-10-4 Texas ooOOOOO 250 2E 4-10-0 Gobernador ooOOOOOo 251 2E1 4-10-2 Overland OOOOOO 060 F 0-12-0   oOOOOOO 160 1F 2-12-0 Centipede ooOOOOOOo 261 2F1 4-12-2 Union Pacific OOO+OOO 030+030 CC 0-6-6-0 Erie oOOO+OOOooo 130+033 1CC3 2-6-6-6 Allegheny ooOOO+OOOo 230+031 2CC1 4-6-6-2 Cab Forward ooOOO+OOOoo 230+032 2CC2 4-6-6-4 Challenger oOOOO+OOOOo 140+041 1DD1 2-8-8-2 Mallet oOOOO+OOOOoo 140+042 1DD2 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone ooOOOO+OOOOoo 240+042 2DD2 4-8-8-4 Big-Boy A note from Arno Martens of Toronto points out that German steam locomotive notation used:Capital letters = powered axles Numeral = leading or trailing unpowered axle small  o = idividially powered axles ' = movable relative to the main frameOn German steam locos, suffixes were used for the type of steam and number of cylinders. v = compound n = no super heat h = superheatedA Pacific like the BR 01 is a 2'C'1' h3, with 2 leading axles in a bogie, 3 powered axles by a common source, 1 trailing axle, swivable relative to the main frame, superheated, 3-cylinder.That's why the interesting BRA 19 with its individual V-2 motor driven axles was designated as 1'Do' 1 h8.To the Top of this page To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contributions from professionals or transportation experts are welcomed.  Copyright ©  Railway Technical Web Pages, 1999, 2000, 2002.   If you would like to use any part of this site for publishing or commercial reasons, please e-mail me. Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002.Hosted By Train var ctime = new Date(); var CT = ctime.getTime(); document.write(''); Railway Technical Web Pages for those interested in the design, technology, planning, maintenance and operation of railways. Steam Locomotive Wheel Arrangements This page contains a table of the various steam locomotive wheel arrangement classifications used in different countries.  It was originally produced, in French, by Andre-Pierre Allanic, who has a web site at http://perso.club-internet.fr/cosme/index.htm.   It is reproduced here in English with his kind permission.Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002. To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contents Some time after the introduction of steam locomotives, it became necessary to find a way of classifying them.  Eventually, a system was introduced based on the number and arrangement of the axles or wheels, which allowed a locomotive type to be described by observing the types of wheels, beginning from the front: the number of carrying wheels, followed by the number of driving wheels, followed by the number of trailing wheels.   In using the system, the French counted the axles, the Germans also counted the axles but used letters only for the driving axles instead of numbers and the Americans and British counted the number of wheels. This table shows how the classifications work. Wheel Arrangement French Notation German Notation US and UK Notation US nicknames, also sometimes used elsewhere Oo 011 A1 0-2-2   oO 110 1A 2-2-0   oOo 111 1A1 2-2-2   ooO 210 2A 4-2-0<FONT COLOR="#ffffff" BACK="#ffffff" style= Jervis ooOo 211 2A1 4-2-2   OO 020 B 0-4-0   OOo 021 B1 0-4-2   oOO<FONT COLOR="#ffffff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 PTSIZE=8 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE=" 120 1B 2-4-0   oOOo 121 1B1 2-4-2 Colombia ooOO 220 2B 4-4-0 American ooOOo<FONT COLOR="#ffffff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1 PTSIZE=8 221 2B1 4-4-2 Atlantic ooOOoo 222 2B2 4-4-4 Reading OOO 030 C 0-6-0   oOOO 130 1C 2-6-0 Mogul oOOOo 131 1C1 2-6-2 Prairie oOOOoo 132 1C2 2-6-4 Adriatic ooOOO 230 2C 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler ooOOOo 231 2C1 4-6-2 Pacific ooOOOoo 232 2C2 4-6-4 Baltic or Hudson OOOO 040 D 0-8-0 Switcher oOOOO 140 1D 2-8-0 Consolidation oOOOOo 141 1D1 2-8-2 Mikado oOOOOoo 142 1D2 2-8-4 Berkshire ooOOOO 240 2D 4-8-0 Mastodon or Twelve-wheeler ooOOOOo 241 2D1 4-8-2 Mountain ooOOOOoo 242 2D2 4-8-4 Niagara or Northern OOOOO 050 E 0-10-0   OOOOOo 051 E1 0-10-2 Union oOOOOO 150 1E 2-10-0 Decapod oOOOOOo 151 1E1 2-10-2 Santa Fe oOOOOOoo 152 1E2 2-10-4 Texas ooOOOOO 250 2E 4-10-0 Gobernador ooOOOOOo 251 2E1 4-10-2 Overland OOOOOO 060 F 0-12-0   oOOOOOO 160 1F 2-12-0 Centipede ooOOOOOOo 261 2F1 4-12-2 Union Pacific OOO+OOO 030+030 CC 0-6-6-0 Erie oOOO+OOOooo 130+033 1CC3 2-6-6-6 Allegheny ooOOO+OOOo 230+031 2CC1 4-6-6-2 Cab Forward ooOOO+OOOoo 230+032 2CC2 4-6-6-4 Challenger oOOOO+OOOOo 140+041 1DD1 2-8-8-2 Mallet oOOOO+OOOOoo 140+042 1DD2 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone ooOOOO+OOOOoo 240+042 2DD2 4-8-8-4 Big-Boy A note from Arno Martens of Toronto points out that German steam locomotive notation used:Capital letters = powered axles Numeral = leading or trailing unpowered axle small  o = idividially powered axles ' = movable relative to the main frameOn German steam locos, suffixes were used for the type of steam and number of cylinders. v = compound n = no super heat var ctime = new Date(); var CT = ctime.getTime(); document.write(''); Railway Technical Web Pages for those interested in the design, technology, planning, maintenance and operation of railways. Steam Locomotive Wheel Arrangements This page contains a table of the various steam locomotive wheel arrangement classifications used in different countries.  It was originally produced, in French, by Andre-Pierre Allanic, who has a web site at http://perso.club-internet.fr/cosme/index.htm.   It is reproduced here in English with his kind permission.Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002. To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contents Some time after the introduction of steam locomotives, it became necessary to find a way of classifying them.  Eventually, a system was introduced based on the number and arrangement of the axles or wheels, which allowed a locomotive type to be described by observing the types of wheels, beginning from the front: the number of carrying wheels, followed by the number of driving wheels, followed by the number of trailing wheels.   In using the system, the French counted the axles, the Germans also counted the axles but used letters only for the driving axles instead of numbers and the Americans and British counted the number of wheels. This table shows how the classifications work. Wheel Arrangement French Notation German Notation US and UK Notation US nicknames, also sometimes used elsewhere Oo 011 A1 0-2-2   oO 110 1A 2-2-0   oOo 111 1A1 2-2-2   ooO 210 2A 4-2-0 Jervis ooOo 211 2A1 4-2-2   OO 020 B 0-4-0   OOo 021 B1 0-4-2   oOO 120 1B 2-4-0   oOOo 121 1B1 2-4-2 Colombia ooOO 220 2B 4-4-0 American ooOOo 221 2B1 4-4-2 Atlantic ooOOoo 222 2B2 4-4-4 Reading OOO 030 C 0-6-0   oOOO 130 1C 2-6-0 Mogul oOOOo 131 1C1 2-6-2 Prairie oOOOoo 132 1C2 2-6-4 Adriatic ooOOO 230 2C 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler ooOOOo 231 2C1 4-6-2 Pacific ooOOOoo 232 2C2 4-6-4 Baltic or Hudson OOOO 040 D 0-8-0 Switcher oOOOO 140 1D 2-8-0 Consolidation oOOOOo 141 1D1 2-8-2 Mikado oOOOOoo 142 1D2 2-8-4 Berkshire ooOOOO 240 2D 4-8-0 Mastodon or Twelve-wheeler ooOOOOo 241 2D1 4-8-2 Mountain ooOOOOoo 242 2D2 4-8-4 Niagara or Northern OOOOO 050 E 0-10-0   OOOOOo 051 E1 0-10-2 Union oOOOOO 150 1E 2-10-0 Decapod oOOOOOo 151 1E1 2-10-2 Santa Fe oOOOOOoo 152 1E2 2-10-4 Texas ooOOOOO 250 2E 4-10-0 Gobernador ooOOOOOo 251 2E1 4-10-2 Overland OOOOOO 060 F 0-12-0   oOOOOOO 160 1F 2-12-0 Centipede ooOOOOOOo 261 2F1 4-12-2 Union Pacific OOO+OOO 030+030 CC 0-6-6-0 Erie oOOO+OOOooo 130+033 1CC3 2-6-6-6 Allegheny ooOOO+OOOo 230+031 2CC1 4-6-6-2 Cab Forward ooOOO+OOOoo 230+032 2CC2 4-6-6-4 Challenger oOOOO+OOOOo 140+041 1DD1 2-8-8-2 Mallet oOOOO+OOOOoo 140+042 1DD2 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone ooOOOO+OOOOoo 240+042 2DD2 4-8-8-4 Big-Boy A note from Arno Martens of Toronto points out that German steam locomotive notation used:Capital letters = powered axles Numeral = leading or trailing unpowered axle small  o = idividially powered axles ' = movable relative to the main frameOn German steam locos, suffixes were used for the type of steam and number of cylinders. v = compound n = no super heat h = superheatedA Pacific like the BR 01 is a 2'C'1' h3, with 2 leading axles in a bogie, 3 powered axles by a common source, 1 trailing axle, swivable relative to the main frame, superheated, 3-cylinder.That's why the interesting BRA 19 with its individual V-2 motor driven axles was designated as 1'Do' 1 h8.To the Top of this page To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contributions from professionals or transportation experts are welcomed.  Copyright ©  Railway Technical Web Pages, 1999, 2000, 2002.   If you would like to use any part of this site for publishing or commercial reasons, please e-mail me. Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002.Hosted By TrainWeb.com h = superheatedA Pacific like the BR 01 is a 2'C'1' h3, with 2 leading axles in a bogie, 3 powered axles by a common source, 1 trailing axle, swivable relative to the main frame, superheated, 3-cylinder.That's why the interesting BRA 19 with its individual V-2 motor driven axles was designated as 1'Do' 1 h8.To the Top of this page To the Steam Locomotive Glossary, to Steam Locomotive Links or to the Home Page.Contributions from professionals or transportation experts are welcomed.  Copyright ©  Railway Technical Web Pages, 1999, 2000, 2002.   If you would like to use any part of this site for publishing or commercial reasons, please e-mail me. Introduced 21 November 1999 and last updated 20 July 2002.Hosted By TrainWeb.com Web.com ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31508	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Wheel Configuration

Sorry that it did not all come through. But you might get the web address from it. If not write me & I'll send a link, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31509	From: Dave Baker	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Scale weight?

This may be obvious to some, but not to me. I'm talking about scale weight. If S gauge is 1/64th the size of real trains, would they also be 1/64th the weight of real trains if they were scale in weight as well as size? If so, an AF 332 Northern, whose prototype weighed around 900,000 lbs (loco and tender), the S version would weigh 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons. I think it would damage my track work.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31510	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale weight?

Hi all: Didn't this come up before and was discusses as being based on a volume measurement so that it was (1/64)3 or something?? Not a straight 1/64th? Rance Velapoldi Dave Baker wrote: >This may be obvious to some, but not to me. I'm talking about scale >weight. If S gauge is 1/64th the size of real trains, would they >also be 1/64th the weight of real trains if they were scale in >weight as well as size? If so, an AF 332 Northern, whose prototype >weighed around 900,000 lbs (loco and tender), the S version would >weigh 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons. I think it would damage my track work. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31511	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale weight?

That is 1/64 cubed, not x 3. superscript didn't come through. Rance Dave Baker wrote: >This may be obvious to some, but not to me. I'm talking about scale >weight. If S gauge is 1/64th the size of real trains, would they >also be 1/64th the weight of real trains if they were scale in >weight as well as size? If so, an AF 332 Northern, whose prototype >weighed around 900,000 lbs (loco and tender), the S version would >weigh 14,000 lbs, or 7 tons. I think it would damage my track work. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31512	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Scale Weight

Wouldn't the weight be based on volume? If so, the scale weight should be just under 3.5 lbs. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31513	From: Don Abrams	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: What is a 2-6-4?

A Lionel??? Couldn't resist. :) Don >Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:22:33 -0500 From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> >Subject: What is the name for 2-6-4? >I'm at work without my lookup tables. >A 2-8-4 is a Berkshire. >A 2-10-4 is a Texas. >What is a 2-6-4? >Thank you, >Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31514	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/16/2004
Subject: Re: Scale Weight

Weight is proportional to volume; x * y * z = volume prototype: 64*64*64=262144 model: 1*1*1=1 Thus a 1/64 model is 1/262144 (3.8147E-06) of prototype volume or weight. That's just .0000038147 of prototype weight. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Scale Weight > Wouldn't the weight be based on volume? If so, the scale weight should be just under 3.5 lbs. > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31515	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: Re: 2-6-4 Name

The loco as has been mentioned is an Adriatic. No standard models where ever used in the USA. A tank version 2-6-4T which is different was used on the Reading in suburban service. Wheel arangement data can be found here: <http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/wheels.html> A photo of the tank version on the Reading can be seen here. <http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/pr381.jpg> and here: <http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00014505> Reading and the R&P had a lot of "Odd" steam locomotives. How about a 4-2-2 Bicycle? Yup, see it here: <http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/pr507.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31516	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: scale weight

Do you think the problem with scale weight is we can't scale gravity? If we could scale gravity then the model would weigh the proportional weight and have the proportional draw bar pull, wouldn't it? Other hobbies suffer from this problem, too. A model rocket does not have a scale weight nor a scale thrust and consequently does not have a scale range. A model airplane's lift is governed by real speeds, not scale speeds, because it flies in the real world with real world gravity. I believe it is the same with time and scale miles per hour. We can run our models at speeds that "look" right, but can't actually calculate the speed because we can't scale time. Hence the fast clocks that model railroaders use are arbitrarily set at ratios that are comfortable to the operator, but not at a "scaled" time. I'm sure there are other ways of looking at this --but that's my take. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31517	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: Re: scale weight

I think you can scale weight. Look at the size of the moon & the gravity there. Same with Jupiter. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31518	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/17/2004
Subject: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

I started a new layout about 6 months ago, and have quietly purchased some of the materials for my S Layout at Orlando's largest hobby shop, carefully avoiding mentioning S. I have purchased Woodland Scenics, and dared to make S roadbed by using 1/2 piece of O, along side of one piece of HO. I have bought quite a bit of O gauge brick plastruct for my new roundhouse, my first totally scratch built structure. OK, S structures are hard to find, but I am finding I can build my own, and it is a lot of fun! Today, when inquiring at the hobby shop as to whether they had any molded windows, I accidently mentioned S. I hadn't meant to, it just slipped out. Three people immediately jumped on me. "Nobody uses S, it is not very common" etc. I tried to defend my trains, saying they were becoming more popular, but after another volley of comments from my opponents, and I was defeated. One guy did offer to order for me some O scale windows, but by then I passed. I paid for my Plastruct sheets, my July Model Railroader magazine with the S layout article in it, and left the store 15 minutes earlier than I had intended. (I was on my way to work, and had intended to browse longer, but left early) I was starting to enjoy visiting the train store every week or so. True, they only carried a few pieces of Flyonel, but I had found many items intended for other scales that I was making good use of on my S projects. Sure, I was paying List Price, much more than I would pay through the mail or over the Internet, but I could see items before purchasing them, and have them in my hands immediately. I am not sure it will be that much fun to go back to the store now. I do not understand why the hobby store folks dislike S so much. OK, they didn't carry much S, but I was finding things to buy from them, but rather than just try and help me find things I could use from their inventory, it was more important to slam my scale, and the part of the hobby that I long ago chose. They were making a profit off my purchases, selling me this stuff at list price... But their religion apparently tolerated HO, O, N and even G, but not S! I guess I will return to purchasing everything off the Internet, and take advantage of the lower pricing, and avoid such hobby store confrontations in the future. (I have had similar experiences in other stores in other towns, in other states I have visited.) I saw some phrase on a book somewhere while at the store today, "Model Railroading, the greatest hobby". It may be, but it isn't the friendliest hobby, is it? A shame...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31519	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

Dear Chuck, I know from many of our customers that your experience is not uncommon. Hobby Shops are business whose main purpose is to generate income. We are all aware on how tiny our S market is today. Even if we doubled or tripled our market share, it would still be only a very small percentage of the trains sold. Most hobby shops do not have unlimited space. This is compounded by how much more space S scale would occupy vs. HO and N two of the more popular scales. Although our items are a bit smaller than 0-27, our market did not grow the same way in the past few decades, so the zero scale enthusiasts are many, many times more likely than our numbers (I would not be surprised if it is 10 to 20 times as many enthusiasts). Our fragmented market does not inspire a hobby shop to stock S when you consider that we must have 4X more AF and AF compatible interested that those who would only purchase S "Scale" items with code 110/125 wheels with KD couplers and for most S rolling stock and motive power, double stocking would be needed (this does not even consider the AC vs DC vs DCC aspect of motive power to be stocked). Added to this situation is the discount that some S gauge companies expect from hobby shops is not as generous as that of the smaller scales. So, you have a product that takes up more space, requires double stocking and your discount on many items is less than that of the smaller scales. Does this business scenario sound inviting to you? It is easier for the hobby shop owner to try and get S gaugers to change scales than it is to stock another line of trains. We find that the successful S scale stocking hobby shop has one to two things in common. Either a local S scale club for support, or the owner or purchasing agent has had or now models in "S". Don Chuck Harrington wrote: >Today, when inquiring at the hobby shop as to whether they had any >molded windows, I accidently mentioned S. I hadn't meant to, it just >slipped out. Three people immediately jumped on me. "Nobody uses S, it is not very common" etc. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31520	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Car webpage update

Our new webmaster, Bill Clark, has updated the ore car webpages with the images that Bob Werre had taken of the painted samples. You can see these at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars_in_stock.html or for 5 car sets (same images) http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars5carsets_in_stock.html Blue Mountain S-41 Ore car loads are now available and can be ordered on the "ore car splash page" at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars.html The ore cars container is in the country and earlier this week we were told passed through Amarillo, TX. The container should arrive at the railhead this weekend. In the past, we could expect to see these on Tuesday, but with the mergers and new Homeland Security screenings, I am not sure if they will arrive in time for us to have some for the TCA convention in Pittsburgh next weekend. We will be leaving on Wednesday afternoon. We are hoping to start shipping our ore cars the last week of June. We want to thank everyone for their patience with the delays on this project, but we think everyone will think it was well worth the wait. I would like to take this opportunity to thank our first webmaster, Jon Marinello for developing our current webpage. He has been a huge help to our online marketing effort and we hated to see him leave. Thanks again for all of your help. Best regards, Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31521	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

Chuck... I visit Colonial hobbies every time I come to Orlando.... I always ask I they have any "S" things.... "We don't have any space, etc." and excuses like that.... BUT I ALWAYS ASK..... The more we ask... maybe someone will wake up!!! I asked the local shop here about a week ago about "S".... He went in the back and brought out a nice 497 NH 3 car pass set in the boxes.... no set box along with a 283 freight set.... I never hurts to ask.... KEEP ASKING everywhere you go.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31522	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

Dear Bob, We encourage everyone to ask for "S" every time they go to a hobby shop that does not display or have an visible S items. It can make a difference. Don robert allen conner wrote: >Chuck... I visit Colonial hobbies every time I come to Orlando.... I always >ask I they have any "S" things.... "We don't have any space, etc." and >excuses like that.... BUT I ALWAYS ASK..... The more we ask... maybe someone >will wake up!!! I asked the local shop here about a week ago about "S".... >He went in the back and brought out a nice 497 NH 3 car pass set in the >boxes.... no set box along with a 283 freight set.... I never hurts to >ask.... KEEP ASKING everywhere you go.... Bob > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31523	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: NC Rail Fair

The North Carolina Rail Fair will be held on Saturday, June 19th from 9 am until 4 pm at the Cabarrus Convention Center, NC Highway 49, Concord (north of Charlotte), NC. The Carolina Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be there with a 40 by 40 foot S gauge layout with train cam, over 60 operating buttons for visitors to push, and an 8-track center-crossing rail yard. Stop by and say hello. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31524	From: editor	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: 2004 'S' Curves Through Chicago

Greetings Everyone & Happy Father's Day! My speaking with Sam McCoy last night and he and I have come up with a soon-to-be-announced 2004 'S' Curves Through Chicago Hands-On Clinic for Thursday evening 7-9 PM. I will be presenting, "Weathering with Doctor Ben's": Demystifying Mother Nature's Weathering Complexities. This will be a hands-on clinic limited to 20 seats around 3 tables with additional seating available for watching & leering. I will speak for about 20-30 minutes on my process of modeling weathering physics, a Q&A and then on to the Hands-On. Doctor Ben's Weathering Consortium will supply 20 special-cast demonstration samples for the 20 participants to weather, learn & keep after the clinic is completed. A local area model rr club will be bringing 20+ rr cars that we will weather after the practice sample is completed & another Q&A. Participants may also bring one item to weather after the club cars are completed. I know that Sam has not thought of how he will "register" the 20 participants, so I have copied Sam with this message. Obviously, the first 20 registrants to sign up for this clinic get to participate with a waiting list for no-shows. We also have yet *another* surprise that we will announce the Monday before this event. Debbie & I hope to see all of you there! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31525	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: My Hobby Shop

Hi All, I get to my hobby shop, Sattler's in Westmont NJ about twice a month. It is a train store only, and has been since the 50s when it was an A F dealer. It is now about 90% HO but they do carry a smattering of SHS. Notable S Scaler Roy Hoffman frequented there as a wee lad buying the closeout A F when he could. Roy told me that he repainted some valuable A F in his teen years not knowing what they would become. The owners were relatives of Glen Ritter who also frequented it as well. The current owner, now in his 50s started there at age 15, and has worked there since with the exception of a "tour" of Viet Nam. Anyway, I am one of their biggest customers of paint. I usually take something S to put on the counter during what is at least a 1/2 hour stop most of the time. I get the attention of another patron at times a well with what I brought. I have yet to get anyone with a real interest to possibly converting, but I try. I rarely leave there without spending $40.00+. I have not had much negativity when I was there except one patron that I expected nothing less then that from him anyway. I consider myself lucky to have a REAL TRAIN store within 1/2 hour of my house. Longtime train store Teds Engine House closed last year after 35+ years. He has had LOTS of brass pass through his doors. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31526	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] My Hobby Shop

Bill Lane wrote: >I consider myself lucky to have a REAL TRAIN store within 1/2 hour of my house. Longtime train store Teds Engine >House closed last year after 35+ years. He has had LOTS of brass pass through his doors. > > > Bill and everyone... I can live with the reality train shops not wanting to carry S. They are short sighted however in totally writing off someone interested in S. In the past 6 months for my S projects I have bought an O gauge engine house kit, a K-line O gauge truss bridge. I have bought Woodland Scenics Trees, risers, panels, paint, scenic cement, road paving, roadbed (O and HO), tunnel portals, ballast and turf. I have bought Plastruct O scale brick panels, and basically cleaned out the inventory of the brick in both of my local train stores. I bought HO scale lumber and sheeting. I have also bought large quantities of basswood and hot glue, though the later mostly came from Joanne's and Michaels Crafts... Funny, they didn't care what scale I was going to use the stuff for. They just want to sell craft supplies and are happy to sell it for use on anything! The point is, none of this stuff was intended for S, and whether the store owner / clerk wants to carry or likes S, I have bought all of this other stuff intended for other scales and "mis-used it" on my S gauge activities. OK I admit it... I take products intended for other scales and bash them into S. I am a basher... But I am also a customer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31527	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: 04 NASG convention

Hi Folks I see the NASG convention website has bee updated http://www.2004nasgconvention.com/html/main.shtml John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31528	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: scale color

Color is also a difficult quality to scale. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31529	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: scale color

****((((Color is also a difficult quality to scale.)))**** I can't even scale a fish!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31530	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

Every time I walk into my local train store I say,..." Was that the American Flyer truck I just saw leaving??" Bill & Anita always laugh, and of course make SOME kind of "S" remark!! But I will say, that Anita DID contact SHS, (I was braggin' on how nice the SHS wooden reefers looked!!) to receive a catalog, and she WILL order for me,.. course I can do the same, but maybe if others pop in, interested in "S", they will have at least at catalog to look at!!! SOME hobby stores, have probably NEVER seen a SHS or AM catalog, and they are outta the loop when it comes to "S" !! They don't realize what great stuff is being made nowadays! I just found out that the couple that owns my FAVORITE train store in Tehachapi, CA (yep,.. home of the infamous Tehachapi Loop!!), that I always visit, are selling the store! They were always sooooo nice, and they fell in love with my little one after her first visit with me. Here's a photo of last July's visit. http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/Savanah_with_Doug_and_Sheryl They sold old Flyer and Lionel, and newer products. I'm bummed, hope they find some nice new owners!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31531	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: scale color

Don't know about you gal and guys..... I would like to SCALE the Matterhorn!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] scale color > ****((((Color is also a difficult quality to scale.)))**** > > I can't even scale a fish!! > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31532	From: jackotrains	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: AF K-4 Pacific Question

I just pick up a AF #316 K-4 that is in excellent condition, all steps, handrails and is complete except for the green jewels on the marker lights. Did all K-4's come with the green jewels and just fell off or did some models not have them?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 20, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31534	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop Mistake

If a hobby shop says nobody models S gauge, they are obviously wrong if you do. Their ignorance is their problem, and their loss if you go elsewhere to buy anything. If I encounter such an attitude, my response is that I enjoy being different than almost everybody else. As it is, I model in S (mostly AF), two rail O scale, HO, and a little HOn3 and G. So usually I can find something I want about anywhere. Your best alternative to an ignorant or hostile hobby shop is to find hobby shops that specialize in S, and order from them. It's amazing what you can get with a combination of a credit card, check, or money order, and either the telephone or the internet. Fortunately, here around Omaha, the hobby shop owners are not close-minded about S (or two-rail O scale - a lot of people don't seem to be aware that it exists either.) Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31535	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF K-4 Pacific Question

Some of the later ones had a translucent paint in place of the jewels. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF K-4 Pacific Question > I just pick up a AF #316 K-4 that is in excellent condition, all > steps, handrails and is complete except for the green jewels on the > marker lights. Did all K-4's come with the green jewels and just > fell off or did some models not have them? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31536	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop Mistake

Egads! Chuck had a really bad experience, but Don missed Chuck's point--He wasn't asking the shop to even carry S, he just mentioned that it was the Scale he chose. Instead of a, 'Gee, that's not common, how do you get parts, build cars, etc. etc." response, he got a "Hey, NOBODY does S, let me show you some great *** (fill in other scale here) stuff, so you can get started in a "real" model Railroading scale." Now THAT negative attitude is what needs to be changed. That hobby shop hasn't gained a customer in a scale they stock, nope, they lost a customer who bought stuff to adapt to his scale of choice. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB marketing move!!! Chuck, I would suggest you snail mail your posting to that shop's owner, as it eloquently tells it like it is; instead of a friendly, welcoming atmosphere, you encountered a hostile, belittling enviroment--and the shop lost a "regular." We're S--we have to try harder!! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31537	From: nasglibrary	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Mobley Library off-line for 10 days

All -- The NASG’s Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from June 19th through June 29th, 2004. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31538	From: roy inman	Date: 6/18/2004
Subject: Hobby shops on the road

Hi all; Going on assignment which will take me through Oklahoma City, Amarillo, Santa FE and finally El Paso. Always try to work in a visit to a hobby shop to do my part in supporting the local economy. Any suggestions on shops that might have anything S along the route? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31539	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shop Mistake

If anyone visits a hobby shop that needs to learn more about S, give us an address and name and we will send out a Hobby Shop Dealer kit that includes one of our SHS catalogs. We are not the only S company that has Walthers as our distributor and our products are listed in their large scale catalog. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31540	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: A Great Little Hobby Shop!!!!!

Groups, I had the pleasure of scoping out what turns out to be a great little hobby shop in Columbia, SC Thursday of this week... a place called "New Brookland RR & Hobby Shop." And guess what... THEY STOCK S SCALE!!! Had some SHS, some Flyer (old and new)... and a few other brands ON THE SHELF!!! I asked if they did Mail Orders, and, though he said they would rather not, I got the impression that if your order was substantial, they might consider it. The ONLY scales I DIDN'T see on their shelves were LIVE STEAM, Z and TT. Other than that... they had it ALL!!! Their address and phone # is as follows : New Brookland RR & Hobby Shop 405 State St. West Columbia, SC 29169 (803) 791-3958 If you're in their area, look them up!!! John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31541	From: race944t	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Monroeville

Is anyone going to Monroeville fot the 50th Anniversary of TCA? I don't get to read all the postings but my scanning has not detected much talk about any kind of "S" get together? Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: TCA 50th Anniversay National Convention

Dear Bill, Robin and I will be displaying and attending the TCA 50th Anniversay Convention. We will be in two areas, our layout and display with new prototypes will be in the public area, and we will have tables in the trading pits with our products for sale. We are looking forward to seeing our friends in the Pittsburgh area at this show. If anyone is attending and would like to give us a hand setting up on Thursday, please let me know. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. race944t wrote: >Is anyone going to Monroeville fot the 50th Anniversary of TCA? I don't get >to read all the postings but my scanning has not detected much talk about >any kind of "S" get together? > >Bill > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31543	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville

I shall be there. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/19/2004 10:32:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, race944t@... writes: Is anyone going to Monroeville fot the 50th Anniversary of TCA? I don't get to read all the postings but my scanning has not detected much talk about any kind of "S" get together? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31544	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Hobby Shops and other stuff.

But first I have to wipe all this drool off my lap from wanting to attend Richard and Sam's weathering class--RATS TOO far away. . . . Sounds like some of you are very lucky with nearby hobby shops, the nearest one I had as a youngster was two hours away, and I don't remember just what trains they had, but I did get a Gilbert Erectronic Set there, and a Schuco Disneyland Monorail (supposed to be HO, but it's more S in size). That shop folded when I was in High School. And Rick, they're SELLING the store??? AUgh, change!! Don's suggestion is great, BTW Don, I'm thinking of opening a hobby shop, how about sending me one of those kits? :) (Heh Heh Heh, clever way to get a free catalog???) Oops, cat out of the bag--I gotta learn to stop typing what I'm thinking. Seriously though, (honest) That's a great suggestion, sort of an "Each One Teach One" approach, we can all be amasadors for S, because, as it is painfully clear, many "pros" don't even know we exist! Headed to Dunsmuir for Father's day tonite (just found out I'm missing Dunsmuir's Railroad Days today, but can't be helped, have other committments, not the least of which is the 1/2 yard of concrete curing outside right now (came in to keep myself from "playing" with it until it is firm enough to work), so hope y'all have a great Father's Day, might see ya on the Chat, if I can get online up there. S'incerely, David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31545	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville

Hi Bill The Altoona Area Train collectors Club will be there with their S layout. They will be promoting S, the NASG and the 2005 NASG Convention they are hosting. http://www.amtma.org/ John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ At 10:33 6/19/2004, race944t wrote: >Is anyone going to Monroeville fot the 50th Anniversary of TCA? I don't get >to read all the postings but my scanning has not detected much talk about >any kind of "S" get together? > >Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31546	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] Hobby Shop Mistake

Hi Folks Let me know also. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ At 06:46 6/19/2004, Don Thompson wrote: > If anyone visits a hobby shop that needs to learn more about S, give >us an address and name and we will send out a Hobby Shop Dealer kit that >includes one of our SHS catalogs. We are not the only S company that >has Walthers as our distributor and our products are listed in their >large scale catalog. >Don > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31547	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: coke - JL

At http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/estore_details.php?estoreid=328 in spite of JL's poor reputation for chronically making vehicles that are too small for S scale, there are a few here that actually are quite close to S scale. The Studebaker pickup is almost dead on 1/64th scale. The Dodge PU is just a bit oversize, and here it appears to have normal size tires rather than the racing slicks that are common on this model. The VW appears to be close to S scale. The '55 Ford is slightly small, but since it is small, the 30's and 40's vans are probably quite close to S. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31548	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville

Bill.... I am going.... will be at the Days Inn Thursday nite....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Monroeville > Is anyone going to Monroeville fot the 50th Anniversary of TCA? I don't get > to read all the postings but my scanning has not detected much talk about > any kind of "S" get together? > > Bill > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31549	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Heavyweights?

Hi John I am hoping that I receive the heavy weights Late this month or early July. All Car types and road names will be released at the same time. John At 18:03 6/19/2004, John Degnan \(RailScaler\) wrote: >Groups, > >When are the Heavyweight cars due for release? Will all car-types and >roadnames be released at the same time, or will they be released periodically? > >And tell me (again)... when is that release date? > >Thanks. > > >John Degnan >RailScaler@... > From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : >http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31550	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Heavyweights?

Hi Again I should mention that the Pullman Green cars are selling quickly, Don't wait to long if interested. John At 18:22 6/19/2004, John A Foley wrote: >Hi John > I am hoping that I receive the heavy weights Late this month or early > July. >All Car types and road names will be released at the same time. >John > > > > >At 18:03 6/19/2004, John Degnan \(RailScaler\) wrote: > >Groups, > > > >When are the Heavyweight cars due for release? Will all car-types and > >roadnames be released at the same time, or will they be released > periodically? > > > >And tell me (again)... when is that release date? > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >John Degnan > >RailScaler@... > > From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : > >http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >John Foley >NASG PROMOTIONS >www.nasg.org >NASG, NMRA,TCA >My S Website >http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31551	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: My Hobby Shop Mistake Yesterday

Hi All, Now if a hobby shop isn't going to carry S, this is the way it should be. I stopped at my not-so-local hobby shop on the way home from work today. (They're about 40 miles North of me). I don't buy any S there as they just don't carry it. I do buy Woodland Scenics supplies, Supplies for my HO and N levels and occasionally pick up a 1/64 vehicle or some paint. But when I walk in that door, everyone of the staff personnel great me with a, "Here's the train lady. Hey Barb, how's the layout progressing?" They always ask to see updated photos and frequently get other patrons involved in the conversation. They have a picture of my layout under the glass of their counter next to the register. If someone asks what scale the trains are, they tell them S. The enthusiasm and support feels good. How's that for a hobby shop? Sure it took me a couple years to get them to take me seriously. But that was because I am a women and few gals ever even go into that store except to accompany a child who wants to shop there. At least that's what they told me. I am still working at getting them to stock or at least be willing to order S trains and supplies. But the market is so small here, it just may not be worth it for them. This hobby shop specializes in RC planes and cars. But they do have one aisle dedicated to trains. Hope more of you have good experiences with your hobby shops. Barb Chuck Harrington wrote: > I started a new layout about 6 months ago, and have quietly purchased > some of the materials for my S Layout at Orlando's largest hobby shop, > carefully avoiding mentioning S. I have purchased Woodland Scenics, and > dared to make S roadbed by using 1/2 piece of O, along side of one piece > of HO. I have bought quite a bit of O gauge brick plastruct for my new > roundhouse, my first totally scratch built structure. OK, S structures > are hard to find, but I am finding I can build my own, and it is a lot > of fun! > > Today, when inquiring at the hobby shop as to whether they had any > molded windows, I accidently mentioned S. I hadn't meant to, it just > slipped out. Three people immediately jumped on me. "Nobody uses S, it > is not very common" etc. I tried to defend my trains, saying they were > becoming more popular, but after another volley of comments from my > opponents, and I was defeated. One guy did offer to order for me some O > scale windows, but by then I passed. I paid for my Plastruct sheets, my > July Model Railroader magazine with the S layout article in it, and left > the store 15 minutes earlier than I had intended. (I was on my way to > work, and had intended to browse longer, but left early) > > I was starting to enjoy visiting the train store every week or so. True, > they only carried a few pieces of Flyonel, but I had found many items > intended for other scales that I was making good use of on my S > projects. Sure, I was paying List Price, much more than I would pay > through the mail or over the Internet, but I could see items before > purchasing them, and have them in my hands immediately. > > I am not sure it will be that much fun to go back to the store now. I do > not understand why the hobby store folks dislike S so much. OK, they > didn't carry much S, but I was finding things to buy from them, but > rather than just try and help me find things I could use from their > inventory, it was more important to slam my scale, and the part of the > hobby that I long ago chose. They were making a profit off my purchases, > selling me this stuff at list price... But their religion apparently > tolerated HO, O, N and even G, but not S! I guess I will return to > purchasing everything off the Internet, and take advantage of the lower > pricing, and avoid such hobby store confrontations in the future. (I > have had similar experiences in other stores in other towns, in other > states I have visited.) > > I saw some phrase on a book somewhere while at the store today, "Model > Railroading, the greatest hobby". It may be, but it isn't the > friendliest hobby, is it? A shame... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31552	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: TODAYS MEET....

BARB.... Got there at 9:00 when they were opening up.... Here is a list of what I found..... the first price is about what I paid.... second cat price.... I think I was the first to take the station from the box.... some dummy cut the tape... was worried about the 375.... I think it will clean up better.... the date is in the shell along with the horn, etc... lots of the stuff looks as if it was used, if used, very little.... debating about going again tomorrow.... he said he would bring more..... I left LOTS of stuff.... I took a GAMBLE on the A unit sante fe.... Its painted gold in color.... He said they made two types for the 50 anniv.... painted gold and plated gold..... I have never heard of these..... any body got any IDEAS???????? on the sam the roof is missing... there is a factory bag taped to the inner liner that feels like a roof...... or could this be the track clip???? 1 793 UN. STA MIB 75 200 2 758A SAM ROOF MIB 45 125 3 21155 0 6 0 LN 175 550 4 24425 BAR REF LN 250 600 5 24033 MP BOX LN 60 135 6 24422 GN REF DOOR LN 75 220 7 969 ROKT FLAT 25045BOX LN 35 70 8 926 GULF TANK 926BOX LN 15 60 9 24125 BET STL GON LT RUST E 40 150 10 24125 BET STL GON LT RUST E 40 150 11 24316 MOBILE TANK 24315BX LN 50 25 12 910 GILBERT TANK LN 140 280 13 985 B & M BOX 1 NIB LN 75 135 14 24413 MPL REF LN 65 145 15 661 AFL COACH LN 50 125 16 21005 AFL LOCO LN 300 570 17 24219 WM HOP LN+ 65 120 18 375 AF DESL May-53 VG++ 400 1260 19 24323 BAKCH TANK E- 270 325 20 605 AFL FLAT LN 30 55 21 906 AFL CRANE LN 30 75 22 936 PENN FLAT WELEC LN 65 185 23 631 T & P GON LN 15 18 24 631 T & P GON LN 15 18 25 753 ACG MT,PASS OB LN 30 50 26 23785 ASS COAL RGF OB E- 200 400 27 360 GOLD DSL E- 150 ? 28 342 AF NPL KC CONV VG++ 200 300 29 962 AFL VISTA GREEN VG++ 40 85 30 963 AFL OBS GREEN VG++ 40 85 31 960 AFL BAGG GREEN VG++ 40 85 32 651 NH BAGG GREEN E 40 60 33 751A ASS LOG BLACK G+ 40 150 3160 6811 Bob.... Good day with trains.... but 7 months today too!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31553	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/19/2004
Subject: Re: coke - JL

Ted Larson wrote: >At http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/estore_details.php?estoreid=328 >in spite of JL's poor reputation for chronically making vehicles >that are too small for S scale, there are a few here that actually >are quite close to S scale. >The Studebaker pickup is almost dead on 1/64th scale. I hope so. I got the camper version cuz I thought it might be. Bert the Cop demos the casting here: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/6952JLStudeCampr >The Dodge PU is just a bit oversize, and here it appears to have >normal size tires rather than the racing slicks that are common on >this model. And, JL put "glass" in the windows, as well as restoring the center windshield post. Still they didn't correct the fenders, still having the oversized openings for slicks. I'm not sure, but I think the "Little Red Wagon" was shorter than the production truck too. See how it compares to Bert here: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/6963JLLilRdWagon As for the '77 Chevy van, JL uses the same casting as for their '76 Chevy van, but without the custom exhaust pipes. Bert and the '76 van are here: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/6301achevybv1a The '77 Dodge van seems definitely small. See how it looks with Bert Here: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/6874JL77DodgeD150 Wachy'all think? Chuck F. =====

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31554	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Heavyweights?

Groups, When are the Heavyweight cars due for release? Will all car-types and roadnames be released at the same time, or will they be released periodically? And tell me (again)... when is that release date? Thanks. John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31555	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models Brass S Scale X29 Update

Hi All, I am very happy to announce that the first group of production X29, the REA version, is COMPLETED! If you have been putting off getting one, this is last call at the preproduction price of $250.00 Effective July 1st the REA version will be $325.00 The preproduction price was set over 3 years ago. We have since incurred great expense by using American made master patterns and brass castings almost exclusively to get the high quality model we promised we would build. Freight car guru Ben Hom stated it is the best brass X29 he has ever seen in ANY scale. Please go to my Pennsy S Models website and download the PDF order form and get your order placed. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31556	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Encouraging children to play with model trains

There is a small glimmer of hope for us, when it comes to getting childern involved in our passtime. The Tyco toy company is producing an introductory toy train set. It is called Elmo's Radio Control Railroad. It is a very simple oval. It operates by Radio Control. It has one operating car ( barrels are loaded on it and then unload after a short trip). If you have a child or grandchild about 4 years of age take a look at it . Everyone should try to figure out how our group could do something similar, cheaply that would be a lead in to S gauge. Could we through NASG, or a similar organization manufacture and sell such a product? Could we just add on to the Elmo train things that would lead into S gauge?You tell me. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31557	From: jt12313	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Stude 1/64 PU

The funny thing about the 64 Champ PU is that the box (which Studebaker bought from Dodge) on the real thing is actually about six inches wider than the cab. The JL model is slab sided so it looks like the parts all match. Are these PU still in production or are they an aftermarket/E-BAy item? Jeff (who used to own a 64 Studebaker Champ 3/4 tom) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31558	From: trainman634	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Gargraves track & A.F. switches

Is gargraves track the same height as american flyer switches? If not, how much do I have to raise the gargraves track? Thanks to the group for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31559	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 20, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31560	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Happy Father'S Day

Just wanted! to wish all you Dads and Grandfathers a very Happy Fathers Day !!! And as allways Have A Fun Day with your S Train's Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31561	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Re: Gargraves track & A.F. switches

The Gargrave with cork roadbed will be a slight amount taller than AF. Switches can "hang" from the track pins with about 1/32 clearance and that can be hidden by pieces of roadbed alongside the switches. Gargraves without roadbed is shorter than AF by a good bit. Maybe 1/8" but I haven't measured it. I recommend using cork roadbed. Using 1 piece O and 1 piece HO together yields the perfect S width. Scenery Unlimited also sells some of specific S width. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves track & A.F. switches > Is gargraves track the same height as american flyer switches? If not, > how much do I have to raise the gargraves track? Thanks to the group > for the help. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31562	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Pitt. Conv....

Anybody going? I will be at the Days Inn thur. nite around 8:00 at Monroeville, pa.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31563	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/20/2004
Subject: Information on PA

I just acquired a Gold Santa Fe PA which the seller said was a 50 th anniversary model which was made for some people. It looks almost exactly like a 21927, except it is painted Gold color. All of the markings are the same as the 927, Sante Fe nose, SF below window, SF on side near rear, Built by Gilbert at back of loco, except there is no engine number. It has couplers front and rear..... port holes are open, no glass, looks like 2 position reverse unit under. Shell is black. Trucks too are painted Gold, steps are 1 hole black pinned. Condition is vg to e... its a real nice shelf piece. Seller said 2 versions were made... Gold painted and Gold plated and he thought around 1959.... Another AF collector said he had heard of them, but had never saw one until now. But by then it was mine... I have been messing with Flyer for years and I have never heard of one..... any ideas... I do know it is none of the early plated versions, and it has been well cared for.... All indications are around 58 to 60 era....... BTW... where there are light chips or rubs.... only dull black shows thru.....Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31564	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Stude 1/64 PU

Jeff asked: >Are these PU still in production or are they an aftermarket/E-BAy >item? The Coca Cola version is currently available. You may find the salmon (or turquoise) campers at toy stores that are not discounted (since their stock moves slower than K Mart's, Walmart's or Target's) or of course, swap meets. They weren't made that long ago, so they should still be relatively easy to find. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31565	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: chat tonight

Oops - I'm a klutz. I'm (Cindy) always doing more than one thing on the computer when I'm on & accidentally closed my chat window. I wanted to thank you guys for helping me out - I will have Hank check out Mark's web site for the 696 track trips he wants. Now I have another question. About track software. Hank is determined to get another layout up & running (he removed the old one from the "spare" bedroom & will now have more room in the newly enclosed garage.) but he wants it to be 'reachable' - says he's getting too old to climb up on top of the layout! Anyhow, I'd be interested to know what kinds of software you use to plan layouts, etc. & whether you like planning that way. Thanks. Cindy & Hank Buehling The Dining Car Please visit our auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=diningcar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31566	From: jackotrains	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: New K-Line "S" Diesel & Steamer

This is straight from the horse mouth k-line at M & G Hobbies on Friday & Saturday that K-line will come out with a S Diesel, most likely the S-2 and a small Marx mold steamer.These should be shown in the next K-Line Catalog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31567	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: K-Line Locos

Jackotrains wrote: <This is straight from the horse mouth k-line at M & <G Hobbies on Friday & Saturday that K-line will come <out with a S Diesel, most likely the S-2 and a small <Marx mold steamer.These should be shown in the next <K-Line Catalog This is close, but not quite correct. I have been sitting on this news for 2 months now, but was just informed on Saturday that I could release it. K-Line will have 3 S gauge locomotives in their next catalog. One will be a steam locomotive based on their 3000 series O27 steamer, which was an improved version of the old Marx 3/16 inch locomotive. The second will be the Plymouth switcher with an S gauge chassis. Others have already addressed just how close to S scale this loco is. The third and final loco will be another diesel locomotive, but not one commonly available through K-Line at this time. Although all 3 will be announced in the next catalog, they will probably not be here in time for Christmas 2004. However, since the Plymouth switcher uses the same chassis as the the inspection van, can an S gauge inspection van be too far down the line? Also, K-Line now will have everything to make starter sets. They have the straight track, universal track clips, transformers, cars (including cabeese, boxcars, hoppers, and tank cars) already. Ten inch curved track would be easy to produce. Things are starting to really heat up for the future of S gauge. All we were missing were inexpensive starter sets for kids. Here they come!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31568	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Cleaning AF wheels

Yes, I know, this had been beat to death. Yesterday I was cleaning the wheels of a Franklin using 90% Isopropyl alcohol, paper towels, and lots of elbow grease. It worked great removing crud that dates back to Christmas 1963. However I found red on the paper towel I was using. The grease / grime from the wheels of my other AF equipment was always gray / black. Is Isopropyl alcohol a bad choice? I tried Dawn dishwashing liquid and only succeeded in making suds. Isopropyl cuts through the crud. I also found boxcar red from an unpainted AF stockcar on my alcohol wetted thumb. Suggestions for a wheel cleaning solution? (If needed, I have on the the tubs of Camoline Paste Chris was so kind to order us.) I finally have my dirty rail problem under control and can run my trains at prototypical speeds (i.e. slow). As I slowly unpack, I am not letting anything onto the layout without first cleaning the wheels. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31569	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: White crud on Franklin passenger cars and dirty window

Another subject that has been beaten to death but I wasn't paying attention. I've been wiping it off with a dry paper towel but now the car seems greasy. However, no one has ever commented on cleaning the plastic windows on Franklin passenger cars. (Mine are covered with fingerprints and grime dating back to Christmas morning, 1963.) My current thinking is to disassemble the cars, bathe them using Dawn dishwashing liquid with a soft toothbrush, and setting them in a breeze to dry. Suggestions? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31570	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge

Barb, have you had a change of heart? Are you supporting the new S products now? You just wrote: >"...I am still working at getting them to stock or at least be willing to order S trains and >supplies." But last year you also wrote: >"...I am from the group, as small as it may be -don't know - >that only puts vintage AF on my pike. So no matter the >features, level of detail or price, the new Mikado will not >appear on my layout or on a display shelf. I would rather spend >my money on a vintage hudson. ...Sorry I can't help to boost >big L's sales and for those of you interested in the 'new' >stuff, I hope it sells well." Why would a hobby shop want to stock or order S trains if you, their biggest S-Gauge enthusiast, doesn't want them? Exclusively sticking to vintage AF, shuts out SHS, American Models, MTH, Lionel, and many others, and isn't going to encourage the growth of S-gauge. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31571	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF wheels

Marty; I have pretty good luck using Goo-Gone. Took not too much scrubbing, at least on the wheels I was cleaning. A little seems to go a long way. But those wheels are shiny afterwards. Roy Inman ---------- > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:30:03 -0500 > To: "S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF wheels > > As I slowly unpack, I am not letting anything onto the > layout without first cleaning the wheels.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31572	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge

Hi Scott, My goodness, you have a good memory or a good retrieval system of saved emails and/or postings. No, I have not had a change of heart when it comes to engines and rolling stock. But I would love to see new people come to the hobby with the opportunity to consider and purchase the new S products that are available. I have one each of SHS and K-line pieces of rolling stock on display in my train room. In this way I can show people who are interested in the scale but don't want to collect vintage AF what new stuff looks like . I would also consider putting new S structures, people, vehicles, signs, etc. on my layout. So I ask for it to be stocked. Scott, I am considering expanding my train room by knocking out the North wall and extending it all the way to the house. This would quadruple the size of the layout. At that time, I may consider dedicating sections of the 'new' layout to the new S: rolling stock, engines, etc. I wouldn't give up my vintage AF, mind you, but would expand my horizons. Although I haven't had a change of heart, I do support the new S products as best I can . Barb Scott Holm wrote: > Barb, have you had a change of heart? Are you supporting the new S products now? > > You just wrote: > > >"...I am still working at getting them to stock or at least be willing to order S trains and >supplies." > > But last year you also wrote: > > >"...I am from the group, as small as it may be -don't know - >that only puts vintage AF on my pike. So no matter the >features, level of detail or price, the new Mikado will not >appear on my layout or on a display shelf. I would rather spend >my money on a vintage hudson. ...Sorry I can't help to boost >big L's sales and for those of you interested in the 'new' >stuff, I hope it sells well." > > Why would a hobby shop want to stock or order S trains if you, their biggest S-Gauge enthusiast, doesn't want them? Exclusively sticking to vintage AF, shuts out SHS, American Models, MTH, Lionel, and many others, and isn't going to encourage the growth of S-gauge. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31573	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Boise GATS

The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying Lookout Junction at the Great American Train Show in Boise this Saturday and Sunday, June 26-27. The show will be held at the Western Idaho Fairgrounds, corner of Chinden Boulevard and Glenwood Road. Please stop by to visit if you're going to be in the area. In our efforts to continually upgrade our layout, Lookout Junction now boasts an indexed 8-stall turntable, complete with crossings to connect to both of our track loops on the lower tables. Eventually, we hope to have the lower loops connected to both upper loops so that we can switch out locomotives from any loop on any elevation without using an 0-5-0 switcher. The Boise GATS will be our dress rehearsal for the "Really Big Shew" just ten days later. Along with the Bay Area S Scalers and several S vendors, we'll be representing S at the National Train Show (NTS) in Seattle, July 9-11. If you haven't already made plans to visit Seattle, mark your calendars! We're hoping to have an informal get-together at the NTS for all S gaugers, perhaps Thursday evening, July 8. Stop by our layout (Space #811) for details on that day. We'll have more information posted here before we leave for Seattle. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31574	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Movie recommendation; chrome repair?

Two topics: 1. For all train lovers/movie fans, i strongly recommend "The Station Agent," just released on DVD/video. The lead character loves everything about trains and works at a model train store (stocked with L) until the owner dies. He inherits from the owner an abandoned depot in rural NJ, along with a caboose and a passenger car. He makes friends with some locals and teaches them about trains. BTW, he is also a dwarf! One of the best lines is when he's asked "Are there clubs for people like you?" "People like me??" "Yeah, folks who love trains." Well acted, well written, and not preachy. And lots of trains! 2. On another topic - I just picked up some chrome passenger cars at a flea marked for pretty cheap. As usual, the chrome is damaged - any suggestions on touching up/recoating, etc.? -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31575	From: markg24	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?

Hello, I've got a complete set, #20144 American Flyer "Guided Missile Special" that I cannot find one piece of information on. All I have to go by is from the original paperwork that was in the box. It gives a price list with the heading "1958 Advertising Train No. 20144." Cars that are included are as follows: New Haven Diesel with Pull-Mor Power and Headlight Illum. Floodlight Car Remote Control Rocket Launcher Rocket Transport Action Crane Car Work and Boom Car I don't have the car numbers on me right now. Anyone have any ideas as to value, collectibility, or availability of this set? I've seen prices for the individual cars in this set, but like I said I can't find any mention of the set anywhere. Thanks!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31576	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?

20144 Action Diesel Rocket Freight--the contents of this set should be; 21561-N.H. alco 25045-Rocket Lancher 24549-Floodlight 24553-Rocket Transport 24543-Crane 24546-Work Caboose In excellent condition with all the boxes and the set box--about-- 1000.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31577	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer Set #20144 Guided Missile Special?

Please see page 70 of the 2nd Ed. of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004. <grin> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/21/2004 12:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, markg24@... writes: Hello, I've got a complete set, #20144 American Flyer "Guided Missile Special" that I cannot find one piece of information on. All I have to go by is from the original paperwork that was in the box. It gives a price list with the heading "1958 Advertising Train No. 20144." Cars that are included are as follows: New Haven Diesel with Pull-Mor Power and Headlight Illum. Floodlight Car Remote Control Rocket Launcher Rocket Transport Action Crane Car Work and Boom Car I don't have the car numbers on me right now. Anyone have any ideas as to value, collectibility, or availability of this set? I've seen prices for the individual cars in this set, but like I said I can't find any mention of the set anywhere. Thanks!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31578	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /1-64SIG-20040625a.pdf Uploaded by : rebendever <editor@...> Description : 1/64th-Scale SIG Quarterly Newsletter, 2004, Quarter 2 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/1-64SIG-20040625a.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rebendever <editor@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31579	From: editor	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: 1/64th-Scale SIG Update!!!

Greetings List, In advance, I apologize for cross-lists posts . . . We have posted a complimentary quarterly newsletter, the "One Sixty-Fourth Scale Corner" 2004, Quarter 2 FREE with Adobe Acrobat on our web at http://debenllc.com/1-64th-scale-SIG.htm as well as uploaded to the "Files" section of this group. We are very excited about the creation of this 1/64th-Scale SIG and we hope that if you are attending the NASG Chicago show & the Santa Clara Narrow Gauge Show that you will be sure to drop by the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide booth & pick up an application or just to talk 1/64th-scale! These are exciting times for all S/Sn-scale! Sincerely, Richard E. Bendever, M.B.A., CTL 1/64th-Scale SIG Coordinator http://debenllc.com/1-64th-scale-SIG.htm 8 Halsey Street Somerville, NJ 08876-2636 Home: 908.927.9347 Cell: 908.304.5545 REBendever@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31580	From: Roger Young	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge

Good Evening Group, I will be traveling to Boston this weekend for vacation. Are their any good S hobby shops in Boston or eastern Mass. Thanks Roger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31581	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Hobby Shops and S gauge

> > Good Evening Group, I will be traveling to El Paso via Oklahoma and Santa Fe, New Mexico. Any S friendly hobby shops along the way? Thanks :) Roy Inman > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31582	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2004
Subject: Hobby Shop S Scale Kit

Don, please send one to shop below. Thanks. Paul S. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Hobby Works Federal Plaza 12274-G Rockville Pike Rockville, MD 20852 Phone: (301) 468-6330 Store Managers - James & Courtney Directions to Hobby Works® - RockvilleFrom I-495, Take Route 355 (Wisconsin Avenue) North. Go about 2 miles. We are in Federal Plaza which is on the left-hand side. Also, located in that center are CompUSA, Bennigan's and Ruby Tuesday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31583	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Locos

Joe wrote: >K-Line will have 3 S gauge locomotives in their next catalog. Sheesh, the response to their formerly-0-now-S rolling stock must've been pretty good! >One will be a steam locomotive based on their 3000 >series O27 steamer, which was an improved version of >the old Marx 3/16 inch locomotive. Dunno if I'll have much use for that, but many others certainly will. >The second will be the Plymouth switcher with an S gauge chassis. >Others have already addressed just how close to S scale this >loco is. That sounds really interesting. I've sometimes wondered about converting one of their small switchers to S. Looks like they beat me to the conversion (for once! ;^)) >The third and final loco will be another diesel locomotive, but not >one commonly available through K-Line at this time. All very interesting. Must've been tough to keep it under your hat for so long, Joe! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31584	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: 378 plus 52!!!!!!!

As of now, there are 378 prototypical vehicles uploaded to the "Bert the Cop Presents" album on Paul Yorke's site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01 There are also 52 items in the "Freelancers Only" album on the same site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo61 I had been uploading new entries at a few per day, but that must cease for the time being. After slicing a finger while handling some sheet metal, I've found image editing to be very awkward with a splint on my right index finder. Uploading should resume within a week, Lord willing. Also, I've found some sites containing dimensional data on many of the vehicles shown, so I will soon be able to document the scale of some of the unmarked entries. Should be useful. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31585	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FW: [On30conspiracy] 0 Scale detailing parts question

Here is a potential market for some 1:64 materials - perhaps - even a convert or two! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. -----Original Message----- From: Bobber Gibbs [mailto:Bobber@...] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:53 PM To: On30conspiracy@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [On30conspiracy] 0 Scale detailing parts question Johnathan wrote: Subject: [On30conspiracy] 0 Scale detailing parts question > I have a fleet (5) of American Flyer two bay hoppers that I am > slowly converting over to the right narrow gauge (0n30 of course). > > What I need is a sourse for dropped metal grabs,coupler cut levers > and a brake wheel. Johnathan: I have converted two AF hoppers to On30 and found that Bachmann freight trucks work perfectly and look better if positioned about 5/32" closer to the ends. I used about a 20 thou spacer to lift the car a bit higher above the trucks and mounted my Kadee #5 couplers right up under the end rails at exactly 26". The couplers lined up perfectly with my homemade gauge. I removed the tiny plastic AF stirrups and created neat, new, flat stirrups by reshaping ordinary staples (5,000 for one buck at the local Dollar Store) with a pair of needle nose pliers. Use a #61 drill and just push the new stirrups up into the holes from the bottom. You can add inexpensive stirrups to any wood or plastic kit and you can get fancy too, like this: | _| |__/ For grab irons and cut levers, I'd use commercial products if you wish to have the bolt detail show. You should enjoy your new On30 hoppers. Bobber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31586	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: PRS Covered Hopper 4-$ale!

4-$ale : ONE Pacific Rail Shops ACF "4650" Center Flow Hopper, PRR car # 260975. This models is partially assembled (only the 3 gravity gates, the Brake Air Tank and Brake Triple Valve have been installed). Trucks NOT included. ASKING PRICE : $25 + $5 postage. First come, first serve. Thanks. John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31587	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Back Alley Era IS 2004

Gentlemen, Just go to 13th and St. Paul in Milwaukee, WI. On the south-east corner you will find a series of buildings that push the Pine Canyon Scale Models sets into June 2004 and beyond. Allied Insulation Systems is an active company; the buildings are not empty derelicts. They are even more elaborate and fancy than the Back Alley series. The south side faces the CP (nee MILW) and is also great. It is about six blocks west of the Milwaukee Union Station. (Former MILW with C&NW tenant. Now Amtrak.) When I don't take the bus, I drive past these both ways. As soon as finances improve (just in time for NASG in Chicago), I will order BOTH of the Pine Cannon sets plus the junkyards! (They will not be at NASG national -- I asked.) Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31588	From: trainman634	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: A.F. #26770 Manual Switches

I am using #26770 manual switches on my switching layout. Are there any problems that I should look out for using this number switch. Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31589	From: roy inman	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FW: Lawsuit Update

Just FYI, For all of you folks interested in things train. This is regarding the $40 million lawsuit just won by MTH against Lionel Trains. Roy ---------- From: CChoice@... Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Lawsuit Update Below is the text of a letter from Bill Bracy to you regarding the lawsuit between MTH and Lionel. You will be mailed a hard copy of this letter and it will also be posted on our dealer web site. Thank you Bob June 22, 2004 To All Lionel Value-Added Dealers/Wholesalers: Lionel is deeply disappointed in the verdict reached during the recent MTH lawsuit. We continue to assert our innocence of the charges against Lionel and view the legal proceedings of this case as flawed. We intend to utilize all legal avenues available to challenge the outcome, and we believe the court's initial verdict will be reversed on appeal. The recent events have sparked too much disturbing speculation regarding the future of Lionel. I'm sure you are concerned about how the court's ruling will affect our company, and the entire model train business, in this and future years. Here is our view: We will not allow the appeals process to distract us from our company's primary mission. We have taken and will continue to take measures to prevent this from negatively impacting our day-to-day operations or overall business. As the leader of this industry, Lionel remains focused on providing the highest quality and most innovative trains, rolling stock and accessories available. This will not change. Furthermore, we have the commitment from our owners, represented by Wellspring Capital Management, that the resources to sustain us through this difficult period will be available as necessary. I assure you that we have the staying power to see this appeal through, though it will be a lengthy process. Ongoing product development and design, pricing, production and deliveries will continue unaffected, just as they have during the four years it took this trial to unfold. Lionel has weathered more than a century of world wars, depression and recessions, dramatic cultural and technological shifts, and even seemingly disastrous lawsuits of the past. Our reputation as the most enduring and significant American company in this business we helped to create--and build--was not earned in courtrooms, or in boardrooms, but in the court of public opinion and customer satisfaction in the marketplace. In the coming days, weeks and months we will periodically reach out to keep you up to date on our progress and to deal with and overcome any collective problems that confront us, as we stick to the business at hand--making the best trains in America. Sincerely, Bill Bracy President & CEO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31590	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: FedEx VS UPS

Those of you that do any shipping might, if you do not already know about the price difference between FedEx & UPS. I shipped two Identical boxes of the same weight & size. One by UPS Cost: $64.00 (And it was closer by about 1,000 miles) The same By FedEx cost $27.00 Clear to the ease coast from the West coast. I now ship FedEx only. & I also understand their insurance won't give you a bad time in the event of breakage. Something to think about, Mike PS: Check for yourself on line at their web sites ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31591	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: #632 hopper

Just purchased a 1946 set with a black LNE #632, on one side of the car the openings behind the ladder and under the hopper ends are not cast completely thru and have a thin membrane closing of the openings. Has anyone else found a car cast like this?? Or did quality control just miss this one?? While I am asking questions, has anyone ever heard of / from the boys who played the rolls of Ben, Corky, Toby, and Steve, in the six series of "American Flyer Boys Railroad Club" television films?? It might be interesting reading. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: #632 hopper

Black LNE 632 in cast?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31593	From: doug	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: BOSTON AREA

Roger, Would be glad to have you come by Port Lines ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ORIGINAL Message: 14 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Young <train1876@...> Subject: Re: Hobby Shops and S gauge Good Evening Group, I will be traveling to Boston this weekend for vacation. Are their any good S hobby shops in Boston or eastern Mass. Thanks Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31594	From: jonmarinello@cox.net	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: SHS Ore Car webpage update

Thanks Don, It was such a pleaqsure working with you and your company. First rate all the way. The best S Scale product out there. --jon > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 06:59:59 EDT > To: Showcaseline e-group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>, > S Scale e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, > S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: SHS Ore Car webpage update > > Our new webmaster, Bill Clark, has updated the ore car webpages with > the images that Bob Werre had taken of the painted samples. You can see > these at: > http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars_in_stock.html > or for 5 car sets (same images) > http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars5carsets_in_stock.html > Blue Mountain S-41 Ore car loads are now available and can be > ordered on the "ore car splash page" at: > http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars.html > The ore cars container is in the country and earlier this week we > were told passed through Amarillo, TX. The container should arrive at > the railhead this weekend. In the past, we could expect to see these on > Tuesday, but with the mergers and new Homeland Security screenings, I am > not sure if they will arrive in time for us to have some for the TCA > convention in Pittsburgh next weekend. We will be leaving on Wednesday > afternoon. We are hoping to start shipping our ore cars the last week > of June. We want to thank everyone for their patience with the delays > on this project, but we think everyone will think it was well worth the > wait. > I would like to take this opportunity to thank our first webmaster, > Jon Marinello for developing our current webpage. He has been a huge > help to our online marketing effort and we hated to see him leave. > Thanks again for all of your help. > Best regards, > Don Thompson > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31595	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Lionel Statement to Dealers ..or ...Lets Read Between the Lines ..L

Lionel Statement to Dealers June 22, 2004 To All Lionel Value-Added Dealers/Wholesalers: Lionel is deeply disappointed in the verdict reached during the recent MTH lawsuit. (YA MAN THIS COULD COST US BIG BUCKS) We continue to assert our innocence of the charges against Lionel and view the legal proceedings of this case as flawed. (THATS CAUSE WE GOT CAUGHT) We intend to utilize all legal avenues available to challenge the outcome, and we believe the court's initial verdict will be reversed on appeal.( IF WE'RE FRIGGIN LUCKY AND THESE DAMN LAWYERS DONT BLEED US DRY FIRST) The recent events have sparked too much disturbing speculation regarding the future of Lionel.(WE WILL HOLD OUT AS LONG AS THE $$$$$$ DO ) I'm sure you are concerned about how the court's ruling will affect our company,(YOU MAY HAVE TO BUY THAT OFFSHORE JUNK IF WE LOOSE) and the entire model train business, in this and future years. Here is our view: (FOR WHAT ITS WORTH) We will not allow the appeals process to distract us from our company's primary mission.( TO SPEND WHAT IT TAKES WITH OJ's LAWYERS AND BAFFLE EVERYONE WITH BULLS**T) We have taken and will continue to take measures to prevent this from negatively impacting our day-to- day operations or overall business.(WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO SEE WHO WE CAN LAYOFF OR FIRE TO SAVE EVERY BUCK WE CAN FOR THE FIGHT) As the leader of this industry,(FOR THE INTERM) Lionel remains focused on providing the highest quality and most innovative trains, rolling stock and accessories available.(CONSIDERING MOST OF IT IS ALSO NOW OFFSHORE MADE "QUALITY" JUNK) This will not change. (UNTIL JUDGE JUDY MAKES THE FINAL DESCISION) (OH BOY ARE WE IN TROUBLE>>CAN WE GET ANOTHER JUDGE >>>PLEASE) Furthermore, we have the commitment from our owners,(THATS THEM FORIGNE GUYS OVER IN KOREA) represented by Wellspring Capital Management,(THEY HAVE MORE BUCKS THAN WE DO) that the resources to sustain us through this difficult period will be available as necessary.(THATS THE CASH FLOW THING AGAIN) I assure you that we have the staying power to see this appeal through, though it will be a lengthy process.(WE DONT WANT IT TO END TOO SOON THAT COULD COST ME MY JOB TOO) Ongoing product development and design, pricing, production and deliveries will continue unaffected,(UNLESS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE INCOMPETANT IDIOTS GETS CAUGHT TAKING PLANS FROM OUR COMPETETORS FILE CABINETS AGAIN) just as they have during the four years it took this trial to unfold.(WE TRIED TO MILK IT FOR 6 YEARS) Lionel has weathered more than a century of world wars, depression and recessions, dramatic cultural and technological shifts,(COARSE WE ALL HAD MORALS BACK THEN) and even seemingly disastrous lawsuits of the past.(BUT NONE WERE CAUSED BY OFFSHORE SLUETHS Our reputation as the most enduring and significant American company in this business ("WAS" - UNTIL WE GOT CAUGHT ) we helped to create--and build--was not earned in courtrooms, or in boardrooms, but in the court of public opinion and customer satisfaction in the marketplace.(MIND YOU KEEP IN MIND IT COST US A LOT TO BUY OUT AND ABSORB ANYONE THAT GOT IN OUR WAY) (WONDER IF MOVING OUT OF THE GOOD Ol US of A HAD ANY BEARING ON PUBLIC OPINION) HUMMMMmmm....anyway In the coming days, weeks and months we will periodically reach out (WE MAY NEED MORE CASH) to keep you up to date on our progress and to deal with and overcome any collective problems(ALL OF OUR SUPPLIERS MAY NOT BE TRUSTING US AS MUCH AND MAY WANT TO COLLECT UPFRONT MONIES BEFOR WE GET OUR SUPPLIES) that confront us, as we stick to the business at hand, making the best trains in America.(ALL BROUGHT TO YOU BY "OTHERS" WHO WORKED HARD TO "DRAW" UP THINGS YOU WANTED TO SEE BUT THAT WE DIDNT HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO KNOW YOU WANTED ..UNTIL HUNG- LOW UNCLE TOLD US HE COULD GET US THESE NEW PLANS>>WHO's IDEA WAS THIS ANYWAY>>???>>>NOTE TO SELF >FIRE MY NEPHEW>> Sincerely, Bill Bracy President & CEO (FOR THE TIME BEING) (P.S...>> LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR >>> I DID "NOT" HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN...) OH DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER FOR MTH.>>THEY MAY WANT TO BUY UP MY SHARES AT A REDUCED RATE >>WONDER IF I CAN APPLY FOR A JOB >>THEY MAY WIND UP OWNING ALL THIS ANYWAY....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL SMILE YA CANT GET OUT OF THIS LIFE ALIVE ANYWAY>>> WE'RE LAUGHING WITH YOU >> NOT AT YOU LIONEL..HE HE HE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31596	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/22/2004
Subject: Re: FedEx VS UPS

Speaking of competition, have y'all seen that DHL commercial, depicting a UPS truck and a FedEx truck both stopped, facing each other on opposite sides of a rail line out in the middle of nowhere? As they wait for the signal to clear, an intermodal train runs the line between them hauling 89' flats loaded with DHL trucks! I once had a personal stipulation that I would never watch a TV commercial unless it was funny. Looks like I'll hafta broaden that requirement to include the presence of a train. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31597	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re:

Robert Miller switcher: I recently picked up quite a few parts for a Miller switcher. Any one out there have more parts?? possibly Buy, sell or trade, ether way to complete one unit. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31598	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Cattle Pads

Hello all, I'm looking for some material to replace the pads on some cattle for the stockyard. I researched the archives and found some ribbon at Joanne's (discontinued according to the post) and some paint pad references. Does anyone have any up-to-date sources for replacement pad material? Thanks! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31599	From: aglorince	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re: Monroeville

i won't be attending convention.( don't belong to TCA)but will be helping out at "western pa model rr museam" if any body is going on that tour. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31600	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2323

In a message dated 6/23/2004 10:41:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:21:35 -0000 From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Subject: Lionel Statement to Dealers ..or ...Lets Read Between the Lines ..LOL IMHO your statement would have had much more impact, negative or otherwise, had you used SpellCheck. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31601	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Earl Beegle

Does anyone in the group know how to reach Earl Beegle. I bought some baseball figures for my S-layout from him several years ago, but now the phone number is not correct. He also makes up all kinds of S-scale figures. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31602	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: eBay alert

I don't usually notify this list when I put something on eBay, but I put a book on today you might be interested in. (I try not to sell my toys - selfish guy!) It's a Model Railroading book from the 50s by Harry Zarchy. If you want to take a look, just click the link below my signature - it will take you to my auctions. You'll have to weed through my "real train" stuff, but it's there. There are also some children's train books you might be interested in. Cindy & Hank Buehling The Dining Car Please visit our auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=diningcar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31603	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Wood-Sided Structures

Groups, Since my 40' Single-Door, Round Roof project is still (but not permanently) in limbo, I've decided to try my hand at another project... I'm looking for photos or really good drawings of pre-1950 wood-sided structures... preferrably railroad related, but can be of residential or commercial structures. I'm working on trying to develop some precisely 1/64 scale "Patterns" of such structures that can be used as templates for modeling purposes. If anyone knows of a structure that you'd like to see modeled, let me know. If you can provide a photo or a good drawing of the structure (all sides if possible) and some basic dimensions of it, I may be able to produce a Pattern for it. If I can find a printer to handle the project, I will make these patterns availible printed on STYRENE sheets where the pieces are printed in a cut-and-fold fashion. I've already succeeded with the cut-and-fold method using card-stock. The assembly formed a sub-structure which requires super-detailing of the builder's choice. I'll try to get some photos of the card-stock structure and post them on my site. Its a very simple process... I drew, cut out and assembled the whole structure in one evening. So if you're tired of waiting for someone to produce a model of your favorite structure, give me a shot at it. For now, all it'll cost you is the price of materials. Photos and drawings will be returned to you (if desired), but all designs become my property and may be used in the future (unless some other agreement is made). John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31604	From: jt12313	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: Kitbashing Flyonel Baldwin onto a AF Baldwain project

Hello all, I took a leap of faith and ordered from a Lionel service station some parts for a AF Baldwin I am rebuilding. I wanted to see if anything would fit:) you can order the complete front dummy and rear motor truck #640-8034-100 (motor) $26.00 #640-8034-200 (dummy) $13.00 and if one desires, you can purchase the windows for the cab: #640-8034-045, Side window .30 cents@ #640-8034-035, Front window, .60 cents #640-8034-055, rear window .60 cents you will need to do some work to make the rear fit an AF shell. From the looks of it, the biggest difference in the truck castings is that the mounting stud is about an eighth of an inch taller that the flyer made part. I'll let you know what I figure out when I get a chance to compare the AF and flyonel castings . Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31605	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2004
Subject: NMRA National conventin/show, Seattle

This message is for all of you that will attend the NMRA show in July. A lot of the folks from the NASG Regional in Tacoma will show up there I know. Here's the scoop: The Rocky Mountain-Hi Railers will have their sectional layout at the show and there will be at LEAST 5 AC Gilbert American Flyer STEAM locos With full LocoMatic (tm) sound running on the layout. They include two Franklin's. Two of the units are SIT's and that was a challenge. They will be running on standard American Flyer AC transformers. The sounds includes 4 chuffs per revolution, (voltage driven) Air pump, safety valve, cylinder blow down, awesome whistles and bells. Don't miss these if you get a chance to attend the show. After the show ends July 11 we will offer a 60 day special on converting your Flyer Steamers (or Diesels) to sound. Along with our can motor replacement program it brings the aged Gilbert pieces up to par with the modern day stuff. This special will run from July 15 through August 15. Give us a call or email us for pricing. We will post pricing in July. Visit our web site too. http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/index.html Thanks, Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31606	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: A great night out running trains

Hi All, I go out every other Wednesday night to run on the South Jersey rendition of the Elmira branch in S Scale. There is s good possibility this layout will be on tour for the national NMRA convention when it comes to Philadelphia. I had another great night out last night running my trains. We were not trying to duplicate any named train, just run what we brought. I hope to have some of my B60 completed in a month or so. The head end will go on for miles! Here is a breakdown of the consist: 2) K4, one with sound 3) R50b 3) Bordons Milk Cars 1) Pfaudler Car 3) REA X29 These are PRODUCTION run X29 that were delivered by my builder yesterday! It was a beautiful thing seeing 3 X29 in one train. 2) Troop cars - 1 sleeper and 1 kitchen 4) P70r coaches 5) Misc custom plastic P70 1) Plastic observation car. I pulled an 18 car train of the above cars with my K4, but it was much more impressive to se doubleheaded. I will take some photos the next time I run this train. Finally, speaking of head end, was there a "pecking order" for the head end cars? For instance, would milk be closer to the power with R50b next with X29 and B60 etc. They also would have not necessarily been grouped together in like class cars, but it does look better way. I have always assumed that they were random only in order of the pick ups and set outs along the way. Please reply to me directly for this. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31607	From: rebendever	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: DEBEN LLC: Seeking Quotes for refinishing 1.64th-scale trucks

Greetings List, We have recently taken possession of over 1,000 1/64th-scale PEM & AHL trucks that will be refinished for limited production projects. If you are someone you know who is very good at the aforementioned (prefer east coast USA), please ask them to contact us off-list at REBendever@... . Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31608	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2324

In a message dated 6/24/2004 9:38:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:25:00 -0000 From: bull_gator_1@... Subject: Cattle Pads The fuzzy part of a Velcro set works nicely. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31609	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31610	From: firex43	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: S Gauge Vehicles

While shopping at a Brooks Pharmacy tonight I found Kenworth tractors made by Kinsmart; the Kenworth model is T2000. These tractors are plastic with details painted such as grilles, headlights, rims, exhaust stack and mudflaps with KW logo and rear lights. The tractors measure as follows with an S scale ruler: bumper to bumper 27', width 9'; height at top of sleeper 13'. These tractors were priced at $1.99 but on sale for $1.59 @. I only found two but it will keep me looking for more or checking out the Kinsmart company. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31611	From: firex43	Date: 6/25/2004
Subject: S Gauge Vehicles by Kinsmart Part 2

While checking the Kinsmart site (www.kinsmart.com) ,I found that the Kenworth T2000 tractor is 1:66 scale and diecast. Another S vehicle is a new style VW Bug that is listed as 1:64 scale. One other vehicle for bashing or other projects is a Ford F-650 Super Crewzer in 1:54 scale. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31612	From: louis glumac	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: test

cannot get my messages for the last week,,,i hope this makes them work again,,,, ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, June 6, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31613	From: jt12313	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Hmm. How do you buy X 1/64 cars in bulk?

I had a odd thought when I surfed the Johnny Lightning website the other day. I saw that they are or have produced a 1957 Studebaker Hawk and a 66 mustang coupe. Now how does one, if it is possible, buy at least 2 dozen of each of these short of visiting every toys r us and discount store within a 100 mile arc of my house? In my little train world Studebaker never went out of the car business and Ford never restyled the 64-66 mustang ( and the Rock Island never imploded) Who every said that playing with toy trains was easy:) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31614	From: jt12313	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Did flyonel ever produce...

Did Flyonel ever produce the Santa Fe "kodachrome" GP and caboose? Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31615	From: doug	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Re: Cattle Pads

The "fiber feet" material that we sell is directional mohair fabric just like the original material used by Gilbert. $3.00 supplies enough material to do a minimum of four figures (cattle, people, or Smitty) and there is no need to specify brown or black cows...our pieces are large enough to use either way. Our fabric is dark green in color...the only incorrect characteristic from original.....,but we may experiment with dyeing it to a dark red color, more like original fabric. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- From: bull_gator_1@... Subject: Cattle Pads Hello all, I'm looking for some material to replace the pads on some cattle for the stockyard. I researched the archives and found some ribbon at Joanne's (discontinued according to the post) and some paint pad references. Does anyone have any up-to-date sources for replacement pad material?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31616	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Model !!

Does anyone know the history and function of this item. Curious, it appears to be pre-war. This is ebay item 5906347808 in case the link doesn't work. Lou Baldi http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5906347808&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31617	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/26/2004
Subject: Re: Model !!

Lou Baldi asked" >Does anyone know the history and function of this item. Curious, it >appears to be pre-war. This is ebay item 5906347808 in case the link >doesn't work. It's a circuit breaker, apparently for use with transformers that didn't come with one internally. Not sure, but I think you're correct about its being pre-war. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31618	From: starr007	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: A.F. All Aboard booklet

Greetings, Does anyone out there have an American Flyer All Aboard Booklet by Gilbert that covers the all aboard panels and track plans that they might want to sell? If not does anyone know where I might be able to obtain one at a reasonable price? Also, does anybody have a source for replacement wheels, both drive and dummy, for an early model 342 switcher? Thanks in advance, sincerely, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31619	From: Richard Nicholls	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: S-gauge in Fort Myers, Florida?

I recently moved from western Pennsylvania to Fort Myers, Florida. Are there any clubs or individuals down here on this coast of the Sunshine State interested in American Flyer or using DCC for S-gauge trains? Thanks for any responses!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31621	From: trombonelover1	Date: 6/27/2004
Subject: Has any one ever put a smoke unit in a Flyer GP?

Has any one ever put a smoke unit in a Flyer GP? How well did it work out? What would it take to convert a flyer GP-7 to a more modern model- say a GP-38 or kindred loco? I've been wondering about such a modification. How about different side frames or entirely different trucks? Thanks, Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31622	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Express Cars

Hi everyone, Does anyone out there have a River Raisin Models Express car (former troop carrier) for sale, preferrably one unpainted. I would want to paint it in the B& O colors. JK of River Raison informs me that his are all sold out. Please contact me directly. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31623	From: Bradley	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets Booklet

The All Aboard Sets Booklet is available online at www.allaboardsets.com and should still be available for purchase through Hobby Surplus Supply. Also check out the All Aboard Sets Club at www.myflyertrains.org/allaboard/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31624	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: New Photo Gallery Advertisement

Hi Gang, We are gathering photos for our new Customer Photos page. The new page will consist of photos sent to us by our customers. If you have photos of our products on your layout or diorama and would like to see them posted here, please send them in. You can email pics or snail mail photos. All snail mail photos will be returned if requested. Please advise if you would like your name, railroad name and link to your web site included. On other news, we are just about to finish the photo model of the Back Alley #2. It should be on our web page in a few days. We really maxed out the box on this one. Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31625	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: SHS container arrives

The container with the ore cars, 01295 KD style assembled couplers, #01310 AF comp close freight couplers (for ore cars, but can be used on any of our cars for closer coupling), #01309 Golden White LED SW-1 upgrade kit, new 10" sectional track and the #01205 slide switch for the #3 turnouts arrived on Friday. We are now shipping back orders so those who have them on order or coming to a hobby shop should be seeing them in the next few days. If you would like to order any of these items, please let us or one of our "S Friendly" Hobby Shops know. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31626	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Inexpensive Window construction

I have found a way to make multi-paned windows for a song! I use plastic canvas that is sold at craft and sewing stores for needlepoint. It comes in a variety of sizes, so many different size windows could perhaps be made. For the size I used, each window pane is about 18 inches. I need something like 84 windows for my roundhouse, of 16 panes each. I had found windows at a place in Canada at about $3 each. Well 83 x $3.00 was $249.00, way too much. My solution though it will take a little time, will make all 84 windows for only a few bucks... To see this go to http://myflyertrains.org and on the upper menu click on [Layout] then click on [7] to go to page 7 and see the photos of this project. I am very please with this. I have made 7 window so far, and only have 76 more to make. Uggg... I use one of those head mounted magnifiers with built in lights so that my mature eyes can see to make the necessary cuts with the knife. It is going to be a long summer but the resulting window are going to be wonderful. The windows I plan to make will be 3 window section high, and four wide. Each roundhouse window will have 96 panes! Take a look..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31627	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Inexpensive Window construction

**(((My solution though it will take a little time, will make all 84 windows for only a few bucks...))*** And Chuck,....you can have a few windows busted out from doggone kids.... so ya don't have to make 84!!! ;^)> Glad to help as always, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31628	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Continued : Wood Structures

OOPS : Link correction : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ScaleModelingProjects.htm John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Degnan (RailScaler)" <RailScaler@...> To: "POST : S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : S Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : Proto 64 Group" <Proto64@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Continued : Wood Structures > O.k... not much luck (so far) coming up with prototype photos of wood-sided > structures... so let me ask this : > > How many of us grew up in a (wood-sided) house that you would like to model? > The house I grew up in was built in 1909, and I'm currently working on > Patterns for it. A few photos of it can be seen on my web site at > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ScaleModelingProjects.htm... the "Crawford > House" project. If anyone is interested in Patterns of this structure, let > me know. > > > John Degnan > RailScaler@... > From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31629	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Continued : Wood Structures

O.k... not much luck (so far) coming up with prototype photos of wood-sided structures... so let me ask this : How many of us grew up in a (wood-sided) house that you would like to model? The house I grew up in was built in 1909, and I'm currently working on Patterns for it. A few photos of it can be seen on my web site at http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ScaleModelingProjects.htm... the "Crawford House" project. If anyone is interested in Patterns of this structure, let me know. John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31630	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/28/2004
Subject: Sneak Peak of Back Alley 2

Hi Gang, We have been getting alot of emails asking how things are going, so here is the latest. We just posted a few sneak peak pics of the new Back Alley number 2 under construction. Lots of work yet to do on this photo model, but you will get the idea where we are going with this one. Here is a link to the page. The larg photo files may be slow to load. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/back_alley2.htm Thank you again and Happy S-gaugin, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31631	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: TCA National Convention

Robin and I are back from a very enjoyable weekend in Monroeville, PA (suburb of Pittsburgh) at the 50th Anniversary TCA National Convention. This is the 4th one we have attended over the past 15 years. We brought the layout, some of our new products for a display booth and Robin manned our tables in the trading pits. With help from some of our local friends, we were able to set up and get ready for the crowds on Friday. The display area was busy with Lionel (next to MTH, pretty funny), MTH, Atlas "O", Weaver, Gargraves, Walthers (first time for them with their "O" scale buildings") and ourselves displaying to the general public. They could also go to the two layout rooms where about a dozen operating layouts including the Altoona Clubs (host of next years 2005 NASG convention) and a layout depicting the impressive 1946 AF catalog layout (I am sorry, I forget the owner's names). Also John Foley was there with the NASG table. The general public was not allowed in the trading pits. Lost of classic AC Gilbert AF for sale, we saw Gary and Laura Clark, John Wickland, John Heck and Dave Garrigues walking past our booth. Bob Conner proudly wearing his S Train York badge stopped by and chatted (sorry, no Barb sightings this time). This was a bit more relaxed than a York meet, but still very busy. I guess the big differences are the layouts, general public and the members bringing their children. We saw lots of kids, something your rarely see at York. We gave out lots of literature and attracted a few new members to the S community with starter set sales. For me I really enjoyed sharing our layout with the younger children. They come over and we let them go at the Mars light, class lights, horn and bell buttons on the LocoMatic controller. We demonstrated the NW-2 diesel switcher with sound on a point to point layout. Everyone seems to love the horn as the switcher slowly goes from end to end. We should see the first one of these with the SW-9s in September. Talk about mixed feelings, we were about 1/2 mile from the Union Railroad where the B&LE ore cars passed on there way to the Pittsburgh steel mills. The ore car container arrived on Friday so we did not have a one for sale at the convention. On the upside, I was talking to customers and not unloading a container on Friday. I guess that was the silver lining. It was a fun show for me. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31632	From: Kevin McLaughlin	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: No. 14 Rectiformer

I'd like to find a No. 14 Rectiformer for my dad's 4-8-4 Union Pacific. Any thoughts on where I could find one or any thoughts on how I could get the train to run without one? I'm a novice and could use all the help I could get. Thanks. Kevin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31633	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fwd: Model train fans steaming mad at UP

Notice mention of CASG - Roy >-------------------- >Model train fans steaming mad at UP >-------------------- > >Union Pacific Corp. says it's just protecting trademarks, but its push to >collect a 3% royalty fee from model-train makers has generated large-scale >anger among hobbyists > >By James P. Miller >Tribune staff reporter > >June 27, 2004 > >Railroad giant Union Pacific Corp. thinks it can--thinks it can, thinks it >can--squeeze royalty payments out of model-train makers that put the UP >logo on their tiny train sets. > >But it may face an uphill battle. > >Lionel and a number of other train-set companies are girding for a court >fight over the issue. And angry model railroaders across the country are >trying to derail the company's licensing plan, contending the railroad is >trying to gouge what amounts to a rail industry fan club. > >"I asked him politely `what mentally challenged person came up with this >idea?'" recalls Maynard Morris, a retired aerospace engineer and train >modeler who attended UP's annual meeting in Salt Lake City earlier this >year, specifically to tell the company's chief executive of his objections >to the royalty plan. > >For decades, model-train makers have routinely decorated their train sets >with the logos of train companies past and present, without paying for the >right to do so. But now, Union Pacific wants a piece of the action, and >it's seeking a 3 percent royalty from companies that stick the UP logo on >model trains. > > >From a financial perspective, the model railroad industry is a miniature > one, and any fees UP collects will be similarly modest, especially in > comparison to the $11.6 billion in revenue the Omaha rail company > collected last year. > >"What we do collect I doubt will pay for administering the program," says >a UP spokesman. "Certainly, it's not a revenue gathering program." The >logo-licensing effort is mainly "designed so we know who's using it and how." > >Despite UP's efforts to smooth things over, in the basements, garages and >spare bedrooms where model railroaders ply their demanding hobby, the >licensing bid has sparked a full-scale uproar. > >In online forums and furious correspondence directed to company >headquarters, irate model railroaders have been huffing and puffing about >what they contend is a greedy grab by Union Pacific. > >"This does not appear to be a sound business decision," complained >officials of the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers in a recent letter >to Union Pacific CEO Dick Davidson. > >"Is this simply a make-work project to keep some corporate attorneys >busy?" asked the Downers Grove-based club's President Joseph Taylor and >Secretary William H. Holt Jr. "Will this actually produce enough revenue >to cover the costs of Union Pacific's expenses?" > >The railroaders are wrong to get so steamed, contends UP. > >It's not really about money, officials say. Instead, the company says it >launched the licensing program primarily "to protect the company's >trademarks from unauthorized use and potential harm." > >Caterpillar collects millions > >Of course, there's nothing unusual about a company with a well-known brand >seeking to capitalize on it and to protect its trademark. > >Caterpillar Inc., for instance, collects millions of dollars annually in >licensing fees for granting companies the right to produce Cat-branded >boots, hats, and clothing, and it takes legal action against any company >that uses the Cat marque without authorization. > >Historically, however, neither UP nor any other railroad companies have >collected royalty payments from the model railroad industry. > >For a $300 train set, UP's proposed royalty payment would represent a >modest $9 expense for the manufacturer, a cost which presumably would be >passed on to the hobbyist buyers. And in view of the mom-and-pop nature of >much of the industry, UP says it's willing to waive the fee for the >tiniest manufacturers. > >But critics say manufacturers' staffing and paperwork costs to administer >compliance with the licensing pact could double or even triple the impact >of the royalty, raising costs by as much as 10 percent for industry players. > >Although the potential for a price hike rankles modelers, UP's royalty bid >seems to have tapped some deeper resentment in the modeling community. > >For many enthusiasts, Union Pacific's bid to collect breaches some >unwritten rule between the rail industry and a group that, in essence, is >devoted to celebrating the industry and its storied history. > >"I cannot think of a more splendidly innovative and efficient method of >destroying over a century of public goodwill [than] this staggeringly >avaricious demand for a `royalty' fee from railway modelers and their >children for using the logo of Union Pacific et al !" one model railroad >fan said in a posting at a modeler's Web site. "I for one will be >repainting all my UP stock with my own private logo!" > >There has "always been a close relationship between the rail industry and >the model railroading community," notes Bob Hundman, owner and editor of >the "Mainline Modeler" train-hobbyist magazine. > >Union Pacific has "for years helped model railroad firms develop products" >without seeking a licensing fee, he said. Its effort to get licensing >royalties "is clearly just a money grab." > >Hundman said a UP board member who is "distraught" over the licensing plan >provided him with the direct-dial phone number of company CEO Davidson, so >that Hundman could plead the modelers' case straight to the top. But the >conversation didn't bear fruit, the editor says. > >`Fallen flags' a tinderbox > >UP's effort to collect on its existing logo isn't the most volatile issue >of the company's campaign. What enrages hobbyists the most is UP's effort >to collect royalties on what are known as "fallen flag" logos. That's a >reference to defunct railroads, many of which were long ago folded into >Union Pacific. In other words, UP is claiming the rights to the logos for >once-glamorous but long-gone lines such as the Missouri-Kansas-Texas "Katy >Line," the Western Pacific Railroad, the Denver & Rio Grande, the St. >Louis-Southwestern "Cotton Belt" route and the old Chicago and North >Western line. > >These are logos and color schemes of interest to nobody except train >buffs, the modelers say; they contend that those symbols passed into the >public domain because UP ignored them for so long. > >In any event, a handful of model train manufacturers agreed to go along >with the licensing plan after UP began its royalty push last year, but >many didn't. > >"My attorney said only a damn fool would sign" UP's multipage licensing >contract, said Fred Hill, who owns a Del Mar, Calif.-based model train >manufacturing company known as the Coachyard and operates a model train >store as well. > >His firm, he says, specializes in "designer" trains "in the $3,000-$5,000 >range." > >Lionel, Athearn sued > >In May, UP raised the ante when it filed a federal trademark-infringement >suit against Lionel and another major scale-model manufacturer, Athearn Inc. > >Both companies declined to comment. But observers are less reticent. > >"To me, it's stupid," said Bill Holman, owner of La Grange Hobby Center, a >suburban Lionel dealer. > >UP is generating bad publicity for itself with its move, he said, and the >model-train business is so small that the railroad is unlikely to reap a >meaningful amount of revenue from its new plan. > >"Of course, UP's got the money to go to court," he observes, "so they'll >probably get it." > > >Copyright (c) 2004, Chicago Tribune [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: No. 14 Rectiformer

This was a 1940s way to deal with the problem of changing AC to DC. The No. 14 used a vacuum tube to do the work. The modern device to do this is called a silicon rectifier / diode, and you won't believe how much smaller it is. You can get these at any electronic supply house (Radio Shack). One rated 50 piv or more and 5 amps or more should meet your needs I would think. You might want to add a fuse slightly smaller than the diode, to protect the device against short circuits. Anyway, just hook the diode in series with one of your regular AC transformers, and you will have DC. You can also purchase something called a full wave bridge that will give you full wave DC. I probably would use the full wave bridge. To change directions, just add a switch to reverse the 2 wires going to the track. For your reference, here is a link that shows the No. 14 Rectiformer. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1949Catalog/AF_1949_catalog_page30.htm Kevin McLaughlin wrote: >I'd like to find a No. 14 Rectiformer for my dad's 4-8-4 Union Pacific. Any thoughts on where I could find one or any thoughts on how I could get the train to run without one? I'm a novice and could use all the help I could get. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31635	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction > I have found a way to make multi-paned windows for a song! I use plastic > canvas that is sold at craft and sewing stores for needlepoint.> To see this go to http://myflyertrains.org and on the upper menu click > on [Layout] then click on [7] to go to page 7 and see the photos of this > project.> CHUCK: Really cool idea there. Sewing stores harbor a wealth of "stuff" that can be "multi-tasked." Under the heading of "A Better Mouse Trap," just wondering if you might be able to reduce your "cut" time by finding a paper punch that is large enough and having a local machine shop grind it down to a square. Or, Micro-Mark carrys a right-angle punch for a few bucks. I don't have one, but from the appearance in their catalogue, I'd say you just line up the corner and whack the punch with a hammer. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31636	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction

Chuck/Gerry...another option is using a pair of pointed manicure scissors or if you are like me you have some old decal scissors around that maybe the tips got bent or something. They would shorten the time also. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31637	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction

I don't know that there is a faster way, though I have though my wife suggested using a soldering iron. This plastic is soft and flexible. Also, you are not making straight cuts, but rather nearly at a 45 degree angle. The shape of the plastic is very much like the molding that would be holding the glass into a real wooden window frame! It takes one series of cuts to cut out the little + sign as I call it. Then I turn over the piece and make at least another series of cuts to remove the other side, again because the angled shape of the plastic. I am not sure I am describing this good, but you would see what I am talking about immediately if you tried to do it. :) Incidently, some people have written and suggested using pieces of plastic strawberry containers. I looked at this, and have a few here. First the ones I have would have panes of about 2 foot square in S, as opposed to the 18 inch square that I am currently using. Secondly, the plastic is flat on one side, and more brittle. It certainly would be far less work. After kit bashing my Engine House, I got up the courage to scratch building my roundhouse, and I can only say that this is a lot of fun, but time consuming... Best of Show Model Builders wrote: >CHUCK: > Really cool idea there. Sewing stores harbor a wealth of "stuff" that >can be "multi-tasked." Under the heading of "A Better Mouse Trap," just >wondering if you might be able to reduce your "cut" time by finding a paper >punch that is large enough and having a local machine shop grind it down to >a square. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31638	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Fw: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction

CHUCK: Dayna's comment, below, gave me another idea. At the Sn3 Symposium in Pasadena last February, I picked up a pair of sprue cutters from PBL. These, in my un-medical opinion, are surgical-quality. They do an excellent job of making tight cuts, and it they'll whack sprues, they should make a clean cut in your plastic forms. Memory tells me they aren't cheap, say around $8, but they are like anything else from Bill Peter, outstanding. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dayna Williamson" <mrspennsy@...> To: <>; "Best of Show Model Builders" <bestofshow@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction > Chuck/Gerry...another option is using a pair of pointed manicure scissors > or if you are like me you have some old decal scissors around that maybe > the tips got bent or something. They would shorten the time also. > > Dayna Williamson CEO > Trainstuff LLC > www.trainstuffllc.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31639	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models REA X29

Hi All, You have a precious few hours left to get the 4 remaining REA X29 we have left at $250.00 before the July 1st price increase to $325.00. If you want to wait until the convention to see them in person, they may be gone by then, or it will cost you another $75.00 to do a cash n carry. Please email me ASAP with your commitment Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31640	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair

Hello All, I'm working on a 300 plastic boiler shell that is missing parts of the two screw posts where the engine chassis mounts. I do not have the missing parts of the posts. The screws can be screwed into the remaining part of the posts, but a lot of the sides of the screws show. I would like to rebuild the posts. What is the best method? Should I build the post up with epoxy or JB Weld – then drill it out and re-tap the screw hole? Is there something I can use with a thread release so I can put the screws in place, build up the post and then back out the screws? Should I drill the post out oversized and insert a hollow rod, build up around the rod and then tap the rod? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31641	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: TCA National Convention

Hi Folks I made the arrangements to have an NASG table at the TCA convention, but I couldn't be there. I guess Don assumed I was there with the NASG table, [which is easy to do because I usually am.] but the credit for setting up the table, S layout and operating and manning both belongs to the Altoona club. Thanks Guys & Gals John Also >John Foley was there with the NASG table. The general public was not >allowed in the trading pits. , > > > It was a fun show for me. >Don > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31642	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: NASG Brick Building Kit

Hi Folks By now everyone should have seen to ad on the inside front cover of the Dispatch For the NASG Brick Structure Kit. This kit will built into a complete structure with a foot print of 12 X 8. Later on we plan on having some add on kits to make it taller or wider. Now I not sure I will have these kits at the convention so don't count on that. In fact my advice is DON'T WAIT TO ORDER YOURS. They will sell out FAST. Remember you need two be an NASG Member to get the $10. Discount. You can pay the $75. or join the NASG at http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html for $20. Then pay $65 for the kit. That's a savings of $10. on your membership. Great Deal. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31643	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Back Alley 2 Done

Hi, Just a note to let you know that we finally have the photos of Back Alley 2 on the web. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/back_alley2.htm Thank You all, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31644	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: "S-Gauge Model Railroading" on DVD

We have received some emails in the past few days asking if/when we were going to put the Video series "S-Gauge Model Railroading" on DVD. All seven volumes have been available on DVD for some time now. They have been reduced in price to $13 per volume. That includes shipping. Seven volume sets are available for $85 which also includes shipping. Tapes are still available too at the regular price of $14 each or a seven volume set for $90. All prices include shipping. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31645	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/29/2004
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Window construction

Chuck wrote:""" My solution though it will take a little time, will make all 84 windows for only a few bucks...""" I wrote: """And Chuck,....you can have a few windows busted out from doggone kids.... so ya don't have to make 84!!!""" Well silly me,.....reading more on Chuck's project,.....he's making windows with panes,... soooo, it doesn't matter if there isn't any glass,..he still has to make 84 windows!!! Sorry Chuck,.....I TRIED to help!!! ;^) They look great BTW !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31646	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair

At 07:58 PM 6/29/04 +0000, you wrote: >Hello All, > >I'm working on a 300 plastic boiler shell that is missing parts of >the two screw posts where the engine chassis mounts. I do not have >the missing parts of the posts. The screws can be screwed into the >remaining part of the posts, but a lot of the sides of the screws >show. I would like to rebuild the posts. What is the best method? >Should I build the post up with epoxy or JB Weld ­ then drill it out >and re-tap the screw hole? Is there something I can use with a >thread release so I can put the screws in place, build up the post >and then back out the screws? Should I drill the post out oversized >and insert a hollow rod, build up around the rod and then tap the >rod? Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, BG1 You can use the JB Weld. Once dries, it can be shaped and be hit with a Magic Marker to add color. An oversize screw will only add to the problem..................................................D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31647	From: John Degnan (RailScaler)	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: SouthWind Models Decapod?

Anyone heard anything about the SouthWind Models DECAPOD project? Is it a go or a flop? John Degnan RailScaler@... From Railroading To Religion... John's World on the Web : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31648	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2330

In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:45:21 -0400 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Inexpensive Window construction Chuck, How about a scroll saw or band saw.? I have both and have a plastic cutting blade for these types of items. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31649	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Re: Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair

Bull.... The rebuild with epoxy, drill and put in a screw is the method I have used several times... Has worked and held fine for me....I usually just build it up and freehand shape while its still pliable...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help - Boiler Shell Screw Post Repair Hello All, I'm working on a 300 plastic boiler shell that is missing parts of the two screw posts where the engine chassis mounts. I do not have the missing parts of the posts. The screws can be screwed into the remaining part of the posts, but a lot of the sides of the screws show. I would like to rebuild the posts. What is the best method? Should I build the post up with epoxy or JB Weld - then drill it out and re-tap the screw hole? Is there something I can use with a thread release so I can put the screws in place, build up the post and then back out the screws? Should I drill the post out oversized and insert a hollow rod, build up around the rod and then tap the rod? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31650	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: Alley Extension

Hi Gang, We have been asked to make an extension kit for the Back Alley 2. It is now on the site. It will add another 29 inches to the length of the alley. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/Extenalley2.htm With the alleys and the products comming out from other mfgs, you will have fun this winter. Thank you all again and have fun at the convention, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31651	From: race944t	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: 332 S.I.T.

Does anyone know anything about a Northern 332 S.I.T.? I have just acquired a very large collection and there is one in it. Maybe? Unfortunately it has some problems. The engine shell has the 332 almost gone, however the number boards are fully intact and are labeled 332. The tender has no lettering whatsoever. There is a hose running the length of the engine with a brass tube (elbow) at the stack. The hose looks original and the wear marks from the hose on the inside of the engine match. The problem is that the date stamp on the engine appears to be 1147 and I thought the only 332 SIT were made in 1946. The couplers are no help. It was converted to knuckle. Now for the interesting stuff. The tender appears to me made for a SIT. The normal 332 tender frame only has a few holes in it and a slot that runs from side to side in the middle of the frame and is part number PA10591. This one is quite a bit different. On the inside it has a cylindrical protrusion just in front of the front truck mounting rivit. It matches up with the pin on the bottom of the smoke chasis. Just behind the front truck mounting rivit are two 1/2 inch diameter holes which seem to serve no function other than to let air into the bellows unit. Just behind these two holes is a raised rectangular block that the smoke chasis mounts to. This block is cast with the tender chasis. There is a semi-circular slot where the SIT on/off lever protrudes through the bottom. Farther back is a large "D" shaped hole which is just under the SIT motor. The part number for the tender is PA ?913. The ? is an unknown number because screw hole for the SIT mounting point has been drilled through the top part of the number. The bottom part of the number could be a 3, 5, 6, or 8. It looks mostly like an 8 but that is of no help since I can't find a listing with that number (or a 3, 5, or 6 for that matter). The hole in the top of th tender does not appear to have been drilled. It looks like the shell was cast that way. All wiring in the tender and the engine appear to be original type of wire. The motor for the engine is DC. The motor for the SIT is AC. Any help would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31652	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/30/2004
Subject: American High Rail

Hi Group Would anyone know if American High Rail has a website? A comment in Jeff Maddens Dispatch column mentions that American High Rail may be offering a Zephyr in a resin casting. It sounds like an interesting project. I believe that R.Tom Hodgson runs American High Rail so an email, street address or phone number would help. ...Any information appreciated. Thanx... Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31653	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: The Polar Express

The movie, The Polar Express, has the potential to do our hobby a world of good. Plan now to put a steam engine with passanger cars out for the kids see this November and December. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31654	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: Re: 332 S.I.T.

>> Does anyone know anything about a Northern 332 S.I.T.?   I have just acquired a very large collection and there is one in it.  Maybe?  <, From your description, it appears that you have the "remains" of a 1947 SIT Northern. The universal AC motor in the tender will run on DC, of course. For example, see page 8 of the 2nd Ed. of the TM Price and Rarity Guide to Ameican Flyer, 1946 - 2004. Suggest that you restore, run, and enjoy a truly unusual engine. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31655	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/1/2004
Subject: Re: American High Rail

Here is there address: Tom Hodgson American Hi-Rail Instrument Design, Inc 37695 Jeanette Court Spring Grove, IL 60081 Gregg Mummert >Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:09:44 -0000 > From: "Karl Raab" <Frilen@...> >Subject: American High Rail > > >Hi Group >Would anyone know if American High Rail has a website? >A comment in Jeff Maddens Dispatch column mentions that American High >Rail may be offering a Zephyr in a resin casting. It sounds like an >interesting project. I believe that R.Tom Hodgson runs American >High Rail so an email, street address or phone number would >help. ...Any information appreciated. >Thanx... >Karl > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31657	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Seattle or Bust!

Lots of S activity in the Puget Sound area next week!! Idaho's Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers invite you to enjoy our layout, Lookout Junction, at the 15th Annual National Train Show in Seattle, July 9-11, 2004. We will occupy space #811, right across the aisle from Don Thompson and S Helper Service, and near #814, the Bay Area S Scalers/NASG layout. Several other S vendors, including Des Plaines Hobbies, B.T.S., and S-'n-S Trains, will be present. The show fills the 165,000 square-foot Seahawks Stadium Exhibition Center, 1000 Occidental Ave. S., just west of the junction of I-5 and I-90 in Seattle. There will be 43 layouts/displays covering over 43,000 square feet, and 410 vendor booths. Everyone is setting up on Thursday, July 8, and we hope to have an informal get-together for S gaugers that evening. If you're able to stop by while we're setting up our layout, we'll figure out our plans for a gathering. Overlapping the National Train Show will be the NASG Western Regional Convention in Tacoma, starting in the evening on Saturday, July 10, and running through July 14. A tour to the National Train Show on Sunday is available to the NASG attendees. Please join us if you can. We're looking forward to meeting old and new S friends from around the country. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31658	From: Robert Boring	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004 - Update

There is still time to register for the Puget Sound 2004 regional NASG convention at the La Quinta Inn in Tacoma Wa. July 10 thru 14. A day at the National Train Show is included in the package. There is also a dinner cruse and sightseeing in the Seattle area on tap. Venders include not only those at the NTS but several at the Tacoma headquarters hotel too. Everything from AF, Hi-rail and Scale merchandise to tools and display cases. It looks like something for everyone from the Kitsap Live Steamers 71/2 inch gauge trains to several American Flyer, S scale and Sn3 layouts on the tours. Also TWO trips behind STEAM are planned. Monday will be a trip behind 1916 Baldwin 2-8-2 #15 from Chehalis. Wednesday will be a tour and trip on the Mount Rainier Scenic RR behind a three-truck Heisler. This will be a special trip on the former Milwaukee Road branch for a 13 mile run to Morton. No trains had been on this route for nearly a decade until last October. To help offset costs a Limited Number of tickets will be offered to area railfans who are not otherwise part of our convention. For more information contact Jerry/Nancy Hildenbrand at nhildenbrand@... or Gil Hulin at ghulin@... We are looking forward to a great time. Come join the fun. Bob Boring Northwest S Scalers Borore@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31659	From: Roger Meekhof	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Update & MTH!

Last week I attended the TCA National Convtion in Pittsburg and had the opportunity to share a banquet table with Nick Ladd from K-Line Trains. Some comments may be of interest to the group members. - When will the s gauge locos be available? "Information will probably not be ready for our next catalog 2004 vol-ll, but will be for our 2005 Catalog." - What are the fastest growing segments of the model railroad/toy train markets? "2 rail O Scale and S Gauge. S gauge is making a strong resergance." - Are the s gauge trucks/couplers now available for separate sale? "Yes , may be ordered through are dealers." TCA Members also had the opportunity to attend manufacturers forums. A surprise was a new release from Mike Wolfe of MTH Trains. An HO Loco with full sound(engine sounds, cab talk, dispatcher talk, brake squeals, horn bell etc.)and remote operating couplers. The demonstration electronics were installed in a Life-Like E-8 and quality and volume of sounds matched any O gauge loco. A HO line ala Lionel copies, is planned next year with S GAUGE BEING CONSIDERED. Previous comments by Mike concerning expansion into other scale have been "when electronics,speakers and remote operating couplers can be miniturized to offer the same quality and functionality as I now have O Gauge, I will offer those products" ,HO is coming for 2005, S is being considered for the future. What a future! Just my 2 cents. Roger Meekhof TCA & NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31660	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31661	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/2/2004
Subject: Re: PITT TCA

I too was there.... I was impressed by the new MTH "O" 2 rail engines..... wondered how long it would take before the 3 rail people woke up and realized AF was always right.... 2 RAIL..... LIKE REAL TRAINS...... Liked the S-Helper display..... Bought the B & O 2 8 0 like my grandfather ran on the B,C & G.... Got the new Pac Man ore cars too.... Looks like things are really picking up for us "S" people..... MORE !!!!!!!!! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31662	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Turnout component

Hi All: Anybody out there (company to sell or individual to send?) have some pc board strips as the movable tie for turnouts? I need about 4 so that I can finish a few switches while waiting for the SHS #5's. For extra that anyone has, I will pay postage along with thanks. From suppliers, please advise cost and postage. Please contact me off line. Thanks regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31663	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Publicity Coup For S Scale & SHS

Kudos to SHS, RailModel Journal and all others responsible for the review in the June 2004 RMJ (on newstands now) of SHS' EMD SW-1. The review is well-written and shows off another fabulous S scale product. In the raitings department, the SW-1 receives a 4.4 out a possible 5.0. In subjective judgments" area, it receives "excellents" across the board and a 5.0 in "assembly workmanship". For S scale, the review puts another S product out there to be seen, in this case by a readership that doesn't often see S products. It also adds another S listing to RMJ's "Performance Summary" table of motive power reviewed, thus helping to end the misimpression that there are few S products out there (I'd like to get all S scale motive power products - new or old - reviewed but that's another story). Congrats not only for a fine product and a good review but a publicity coup for S scale. Paul Schilling (My only complaint was the review didn't appear to list the roadnames in which the unit comes factory-painted. According to the 2004 catalogue, they are: Western Pacitic, Central of New Jersey, Chicago, Burlington & Quincyk Chicago Milwaukee St. Paul & Pacific, Erie Lackawanna, Great Northern, Pennsylvania and Southern Pacific). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31664	From: just ask	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: a problem with a 283

Hello Folks I am working on a 283 pacific. it was working fine until a motor mount broke, and I fixed it with some glue (model cement). the parts in the back of the engine..like the backwords L...that are screwed into the engine. I am trying to get the screw's back in now but it wont run without the cab or boiler on. I will let you know how it turns out!! Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31665	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Re: a problem with a 283

At 03:23 PM 7/3/04 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Folks > > I am working on a 283 pacific. it was working fine until a >motor mount broke, and I fixed it with some glue (model cement). >the parts in the back of the engine..like the backwords L...that are >screwed into the engine. > > I am trying to get the screw's back in now but it wont run >without the cab or boiler on. I will let you know how it turns out!! > > Nick Is the tender hooked up?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31666	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Wanted!

Hi Ya'll, I need a wooden red toolbox with the screws that was used on a 607, 907, 645, 945 Woor and Boom car. Anyone have an extra one laying around they don't need? Please let me know. Thanks. Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge Update & MTH!

In a message dated 7/2/2004 5:19:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwmres@... writes: The demonstration electronics were installed in a Life-Like E-8 and quality and volume of sounds matched any O gauge loco. The enthusiasm is very understandable, but the sounds of the MTH demo E-8 were nowhere near the quality that has been done in O gauge is these days. Check out a Lionel UP H-7 (with RS 5.0), the JLC N&W Y6b (late RS4.0), or late series SD-40-T2 tunnel motors and see what can really be done at this time. These engines are SOTA. Both cavity and speaker size play important roles. I would agree that the demo does portend future improvements in S gauge engines. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31668	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Why is this listing getting bid so high?

Hi all, Was just cruizin' the eBay when I spotted this lot, and can't figure out why it's at $350 (maybe I'm just too cheap?) Item number: 5906606861 Is it the plasticville items? If so, which ones! Thanks, S' David D. PS See ya at Chat tonite, I might be a bit late (as usual!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31669	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Why is this listing getting bid so high?

Seems pretty cheap to me, but I have been on eBay way to long to send over $300 to a seller with a feedback rating of (1) ! Just me maybe being over cautious!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31670	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Boiler Screw Post Repair

Hello all, I have posted some photos of my first attempt to repair broken screw posts on a plastic boiler shell. I used a plastic drinking straw for a mold, filled it with JB Weld, shaped the repair with a Dremel and then used a self tapping screw to set the threads. Take a look at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album27?&page=2 While you're there check out my other photos as well as all the other great S-gauge photos! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31671	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Boiler Screw Post Repair

Bull.... that was the way I was referring to before.... works great.... and if you touch it up with black paint..... NICE.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Boiler Screw Post Repair > Hello all, > > I have posted some photos of my first attempt to repair broken screw > posts on a plastic boiler shell. I used a plastic drinking straw for > a mold, filled it with JB Weld, shaped the repair with a Dremel and > then used a self tapping screw to set the threads. Take a look at: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album27?&page=2 > > While you're there check out my other photos as well as all the other > great S-gauge photos! > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31672	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Re: Why is this listing getting bid so high?

I could tripple my money on that one and then some at a public auction of antiques if there was no one there but dealers. Jerry --- On Sun 07/04, David Dewey < djdewey@... > wrote: From: David Dewey [mailto: djdewey@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:13:45 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Why is this listing getting bid so high? _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 4, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31674	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: S Scale Brass Airslide Hopper 1965 Late Version Item number: 590787

Hi All, I have listed a 1965 version Airslide hopper for a customer not on line. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5907873317 Please give it a look. Bid early and often! (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31675	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Why is this listing getting bid so high--the answers!

OK, so the problem is, "I am too CHEAP!" Since there were only two cars with the Franklin, I didn't consider it a complete set, but I realize now that it is, and the other set is complete too, so if I add up the numbers, I guess it is worth that, but (IMHO) no bargin! I do know the hobo shacks are somewhat rare, so I thought the Plasticville items might be important. Nope, I'm not in the market for a lot like this--I already have this stuff! I was just curious. Gee, don't tell Linda what my train room stash might be worth!! Egads, don't tell me either--I might want to cash in to buy a Stanley Steamer! Hope y'all had a glorius fourth--I missed chat, as Linda was called off work, so we went to dinner together, and by the time I got home (stopped to help a friend fix his Model A) it was too late, I logged on about 5 minutes after everyone left. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31676	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Boiler Screw post repair

Great photos. I hadn't thought about the soda straw for a mold, I was using "magic transparent" tape for my molds, I like the straw idea much better. When I am "rethreading" the posts, I heat the screw with a soldering iron, so it sorta melts its way into the plastic, causing less stress on the posts. One has to be carefull, I have the screwdriver on the screw, applying some turrning pressure, and heat the head of the screw until the turning torque becomes lower--one has to feel their way through this. It seems to help, as the Gilbert plastic ages and becomes more brittle. Off to hang a door, and marinate the BBQ for tonite! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31677	From: Bruce	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Questions about repainting

I have two restoration projects that I need some paint advice on. 1. I picked up a 577 Whistling Billboard that had been partially in water and needs a complete repainting. I have the accessory green paint, but I'm not sure what to use for the white billboard. It looks like an off-white color, or is that just aging? What color/brand should I use? 2. I also picked up three streamlined passenger cars that were originally chrome. The chrome has worn off significantly, but the bodies are still in very good condition. Is there a chrome paint available? I picked up both of these projects at a local chapter TCA meet a couple weeks ago, along with a 589 station that also needs some work - probably just a good cleaning and new windows (the old ones are all gone). I also got a couple pairs of remote switches, with boxes, some track, and a Flyonel boxcar. It was a small meet/show (maybe 20 people) and they don't usually have much S gauge even in the bigger local meets. One of the Lionel guys said I made out the best of anyone there with the haul I got. Thanks, Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31678	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: eBay item.....

eBay item: "Car is in excellent condition with the original logs. This is rare in such good condition. Has been stored for over forty years." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5906939319&rd=1 Hmmmmmmmm................. ;^)> Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31679	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

Wow, I have never seen one before with the original logs, this must _really_ be rare! But if you want to bid on it, I will keep out of your way so that you can get a good price... Chuck Rick Evans wrote: >eBay item: "Car is in excellent condition with the original logs. This is rare in such good condition. Has been stored for over forty years." >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5906939319&rd=1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31680	From: Bruce	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. Is this legitimate? Are the logs plastic? - Bruce W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > eBay item: "Car is in excellent condition with the original logs. This is rare in such good condition. Has been stored for over forty years." > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5906939319&rd=1 > > Hmmmmmmmm................. ;^)> > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31681	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. Is this legitimate? )))**** I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! It's no log car....it's a gondola!! The log cars I collect are flatcars. Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31682	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/5/2004
Subject: Re: Ebay Item

>Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. >This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. I think Rick is correct. AF non-operating log cars were flats with stakes or straps. There are "log dump" operating cars of course, which are mostly glorified flats, except for the 714/914 diecast cars. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31683	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: EBAY #971 SP Lumber Unloading Car

Hi, Just wanted everyone to know I put a nice #971 operating lumber car out on Ebay. It works and has the box too. I put a $99 reserve on it. If interested see Ebay item # 5907670207. Is my reserve of $99 reasonable or am I getting greedy? My Greenberg guide says it is worth anywhere between $35 and $140 ... quite a range. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31684	From: beebear	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: Re: EBAY #971 SP Lumber Unloading Car

AHhhh Yes The Greenberg guide sets the price for all Hi, Just wanted everyone to know I put a nice #971 operating lumber car out on Ebay. It works and has the box too. I put a $99 reserve on it. If interested see Ebay item # 5907670207. Is my reserve of $99 reasonable or am I getting greedy? My Greenberg guide says it is worth anywhere between $35 and $140 ... quite a range. Walt S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ This message was scanned by GatewayDefender 6:21:06 AM ET - 7/6/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31685	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2004
Subject: Gilbert Flyer available

Will be offering a lot of my Gilbert Flyer on this coming sunday to the local guys. Have over 100 pieces including engines (diesel and steam), common and hard to find cars (no passenger cars and no accessories). Contact me off list with your wants and I'll see what's left. Decided to concentrate on newer "S" gauge items. I'll answer all e-mails. Thanks. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31686	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Return of the Bert

Editing has resumed on car pix for "Bert the Cop Presents..." (It had paused to allow healing of a sliced editing finger suffered by Bert's helper.) New entries include "Stars 'n Stripes" versions of particular cars in honor of the 4th of July. (Yeah, I know, fine time to hear about it now.) New entries should continue at about 1 per day for both albums, until I run out of cars. See them on Paul Yorke's site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01 and: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo61 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31687	From: michaeltkolosseus	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by using anything that might fit into the car. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. Is this > legitimate? )))**** > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31688	From: The Velapoldis	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Superelevation

Hi all: I know that we discussed superelevation on curves to some extent. I have an associated problem. I have a fairly tight curve (27" radius) and was thinking of super elevating the outside rail somewhat. Has anyone done this and found that one might "pull" a long train off the tracks as it goes around the curve?? I can use code 125 nickel silver with Miller tie strip, SHS 155# S-Trax or their flexible track, or code 149 American Models track. I will be using both high rail and scale wheels, so info or thoughts on both would be interesting. Additionally, if one does superelevate, how much does one do - 1/4 degree or more or less? Thanks in advance for your thoughts, experiences, or information. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31689	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

Mike.... Sorry but don't forget the CANISTER load and the RAIL loads... they came in Gons.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by > using anything that might fit into the car. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. > Is this > > legitimate? )))**** > > > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31690	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: Superelevation

Rance... when I was a kid I tried it by simply stuffing a small nail under the outside tie, finishing, to raise it.... I guess it worked... but now all my track is flat... I don't run my trains fast enough to jump the tracks.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Velapoldis" <velapoldi@...> To: "s-scale yahoo" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains yahoo" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Superelevation > Hi all: > I know that we discussed superelevation on curves to some extent. I > have an associated problem. I have a fairly tight curve (27" radius) > and was thinking of super elevating the outside rail somewhat. Has > anyone done this and found that one might "pull" a long train off the > tracks as it goes around the curve?? I can use code 125 nickel silver > with Miller tie strip, SHS 155# S-Trax or their flexible track, or code > 149 American Models track. I will be using both high rail and scale > wheels, so info or thoughts on both would be interesting. Additionally, > if one does superelevate, how much does one do - 1/4 degree or more or less? > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts, experiences, or information. > regards, > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31691	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

Also don't forget the gondolas with pipe loads. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > Mike.... Sorry but don't forget the CANISTER load and the RAIL loads... they > came in Gons.... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by > > using anything that might fit into the car. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. > > Is this > > > legitimate? )))**** > > > > > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > > > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > > > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > > > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > > > > > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31692	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

And in different colors!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > Also don't forget the gondolas with pipe loads. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > Mike.... Sorry but don't forget the CANISTER load and the RAIL loads... > they > > came in Gons.... Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michaeltkolosseus" <mkolosseus@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by > > > using anything that might fit into the car. > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > > > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. > > > Is this > > > > legitimate? )))**** > > > > > > > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > > > > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > > > > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > > > > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31693	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

MIKE....I have been there.... and done it too...We all are all a happy, pick at each other in jest group, we all have a good time..... Its a great bunch of Gal and Guys... all ready to help at a moments notice.... Bob... btw...still have that 930 I got from you when I visited your layout.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <mkolosseus@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Cc: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > Yep, you are right. My mistake. I'll hear about this for the next month. No more late night e-mails from me. I was too focused on all the toys I have seen over the years that people have insisted were part of their train sets. Lionel cattle on a Flyer cattle ramp was just the way it came from the store according to one guy who wanted to beat the #%*@ out of me for not agreeing. > > -------------- Original message from "robert allen conner" : -------------- > > And in different colors!!! Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "C. E. Smith" > > To: ; "michaeltkolosseus" ; > > "robert allen conner" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > Also don't forget the gondolas with pipe loads. > > > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > > > http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "robert allen conner" > > > To: ; "michaeltkolosseus" > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > > > > Mike.... Sorry but don't forget the CANISTER load and the RAIL loads... > > > they > > > > came in Gons.... Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "michaeltkolosseus" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by > > > > > using anything that might fit into the car. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" wrote: > > > > > > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. > > > > > Is this > > > > > > legitimate? )))**** > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > > > > > > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > > > > > > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > > > > > > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31694	From: mkolosseus@att.net	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

Yep, you are right. My mistake. I'll hear about this for the next month. No more late night e-mails from me. I was too focused on all the toys I have seen over the years that people have insisted were part of their train sets. Lionel cattle on a Flyer cattle ramp was just the way it came from the store according to one guy who wanted to beat the #%*@ out of me for not agreeing. -------------- Original message from "robert allen conner" : -------------- > And in different colors!!! Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. E. Smith" > To: ; "michaeltkolosseus" ; > "robert allen conner" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > Also don't forget the gondolas with pipe loads. > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > > http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert allen conner" > > To: ; "michaeltkolosseus" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > Mike.... Sorry but don't forget the CANISTER load and the RAIL loads... > > they > > > came in Gons.... Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "michaeltkolosseus" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item..... > > > > > > > > > > No Flyer gons came with loads. People would add to the play value by > > > > using anything that might fit into the car. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" wrote: > > > > > ***(((I can't find any listings that have a 631 with a log load. > > > > Is this > > > > > legitimate? )))**** > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you didn't,......and I'm sure you won't!! > > > > > It's no log car....it's a gondola!! > > > > > The log cars I collect are flatcars. > > > > > Don't quote ME, but I think they were ALL flats that carried logs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a case of the seller lacking proper info. > > > > > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31695	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: NEW K-LINE ENGINE????

Didn't know they were out yet........ Ha Ha Ha Ha... Bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=5908334588 &rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31696	From: Phillip Sewell	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: AF for sale

I'm no expert, but I'd say all pieces would rate very good to excellent - (can't get the pics. on yet, but I'm working on it) Please reply to ervino1@... <http://us.f522.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=ervino1@...> #313 big loco & tender (with 2nd/spare tender) #21801 Northwestern diesel "400" switcher #963 Washington chrome passenger "end car". (minor scrapes on one side on top) #918 Railway Express Agency mail car #975 AFL passenger (also have "vibrating passenger station" with remote button and 3 passengers - metal on sides is very rusty, but restorable) #30 Overland Express (FY & PRR) baggage car #20 Overland Express (FY & PRR) passenger car #24543 AFL Industrial Brownhoist crane (operational) #24546 Work/Boom car #24549 Erie floodlight flat car (with yellow generator) #801 B & O hopper #916 D & H chemical car (LCL Corp Air Activation Containers) #925 Gulf tank car #988 American Refrigerator Transit Co. #980 Baltimore & Ohio boxcar #937 MKT "The Katy" box car (brown & yellow) #928 New Haven flat car (stake sides) #973 Gilbert's Grade A Milk car (operational with milk platform and remote button) [platform is rusty but restorable]) #935 AFL caboose also: 30 pieces straight track 49 pieces curved track 4 pieces 5" straight 4 pieces 5" curved 12 4" trestle (orange) 2 sets trestle (black) : (1) nos. 1 to 13 to 1 (2) nos 1 to 13 to 13 to 1 - missing one #2 section Lionel 10 piece black trestle set (1 to 5 to 1) AFL metal girder bridge #581 3 switches: 2 right hand, one left hand 1 "crossroads T" track connector 2 spur line "end of the track" bumpers 1 American Flyer 50 watt, 3 terminal transformer 1 AFL billboard steam whistle with remote button 1 AFL diesel horn with button on the base 2 other remote control buttons & 2 additional track terminals w/wiring instructions. The information contained in or attached to this electronic mail is legally privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or distribution of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by return or reply transmission via the address contained herein. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31697	From: roy inman	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Cold heat soldering gun

Hi all; I saw on some list or other a brief mention of the newish Cold Heat soldering gun. It has a twin tip, which stays cool until it is applied to metal, then achieves 800 degrees f in 1.5 seconds, so the web site information says. Upon disengagement from the metal, the tip returns to room temperature in 3.0 seconds. Uses a single A size battery, which they claim is good for 300 joints. Has anyone used this device, and if so, with what results? www.coldheat.com/about_us.php $24.50 delivered. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31698	From: waldootten	Date: 7/7/2004
Subject: Re: Superelevation

Rance -- When I was laying code .148 AM track on top of 1/8 inch thick Instant Roadbed, I made a lame attempt at super-elevating the outside rail on the curves by using a piece of insulated 16 gauge wire under the roadbed and directly under the outside rail for the entire curve section. But my American Models K-4 4-6-2 steamer kept derailing the trailing truck entering the curves so I yanked it all out. Probably TOO high there, and learned a lesson. Plus, those K-4s are notorious for that type of derailment. Finally fixed it by installing a spring between the truck and the bottom of the loco. Methinks I pulled the plug too early on that experiment by blaming the track instead of the choo-choo. Hope someone who's done this with success will chime in so I can super-elevate the next time around. Phil K. Chicago western suburbs Can't wait for the NASG gang to get here later this month and hoping someone has a decent 21005 for sale. _______________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Velapoldis <velapoldi@n...> wrote: > Hi all: > I know that we discussed superelevation on curves to some extent. I > have an associated problem. I have a fairly tight curve (27" radius) > and was thinking of super elevating the outside rail somewhat. Has > anyone done this and found that one might "pull" a long train off the > tracks as it goes around the curve?? I can use code 125 nickel silver > with Miller tie strip, SHS 155# S-Trax or their flexible track, or code > 149 American Models track. I will be using both high rail and scale > wheels, so info or thoughts on both would be interesting. Additionally, > if one does superelevate, how much does one do - 1/4 degree or more or less? > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts, experiences, or information. > regards, > Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31699	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Fwd: Welcome to the TopDepo.com

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31700	From: Fire Wood	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Cold heat soldering gun

Is this unit an updated cordless version of a standard resistance soldering rig? Just curious, Dave W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31701	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: parking spot needed at Puget Sound NASG

Hi gang, My VW camper and I need a driveway or backyard to spend the nights in next week during the convention. I promise she doesn't leak a spot of oil (neither do I). Jacques in Yakima

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31702	From: roy inman	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re:Cold heat soldering gun

Dave, Apparently not. The technology is something entirely new, at least according to my HVAC buddy, who has used all sorts of irons for 40 years. The secret is in the computer chip buried in the handle, so it would seem. The power of a traditional iron is measured in watts, so he tells me. The more watts, the hotter it gets. This thing uses a tiny fraction of watts. I have one ordered, and I will report back after I do some tests. Considering my rudimentary soldering skills, if it works for me anybody can use it. Cheers :) Roy ---------- > From: Fire Wood <fahrwud@...> > Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cold heat soldering gun > > Is this unit an updated cordless version of a standard > resistance soldering rig? > > Just curious, > > Dave W. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31703	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Re: Cold heat soldering gun

Last night on the TV.... there was a cold set and a bonus wire stripper ad for 19.95 + post..... didn't get the phone number..... will if I see it again.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re:Cold heat soldering gun > Dave, > Apparently not. The technology is something entirely new, at least according > to my HVAC buddy, who has used all sorts of irons for 40 years. The secret > is in the computer chip buried in the handle, so it would seem. > The power of a traditional iron is measured in watts, so he tells me. The > more watts, the hotter it gets. This thing uses a tiny fraction of watts. > I have one ordered, and I will report back after I do some tests. > Considering my rudimentary soldering skills, if it works for me anybody can > use it. > Cheers :) > Roy > ---------- > > From: Fire Wood <fahrwud@...> > > Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Cold heat soldering gun > > > > Is this unit an updated cordless version of a standard > > resistance soldering rig? > > > > Just curious, > > > > Dave W. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31704	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Superelevation

Rance, I think the first question you need to ask is why you want superelevation. If it is to allow higher speeds, I doubt you'll have much success. If it is for appearance, that's a different story. In short, the best way is to try different methods on a test track and the try running different types of trains (steam, diesel, freight, passenger, 4 wheel trucks, 6 wheel trucks, etc.) over the superelevated track to learn of problems. The maximum superelevation used on real railroads in the US is 6 inches or 3/32" in S Gauge, but most freight railroads try to limit the superelevation to 4" or less. Although rare, there have been cases of a car with a relatively high center of gravity being pulled off the inside of a sharp curve with high superelevation. The same can happen, of course, with models. Therefore, I'd suggest you determine the minimum amount of superelevation you need and then don't go any higher. Another problem is how to introduce the superelevation when going from straight track to curved. What you really need is a spiral easement with the superelevation gradually increasing from zero at the straight end, to the full superelevation at the end with the curve radius. If you don't want to contend with spirals, try starting the increase in superelevation from zero on the straight track, having half the amount of the full superelevation at the joint between straight and curve, and finishing the increase on the curve. A 10 inch long spiral ought to do it. Remember, a 4-8-4 won't accept abrupt changes as readily as a 4-4-2 will. Let the group know the results of your tests. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31705	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2004
Subject: Barb Contact me please

Please call me on my cell at 937-657-3934. Leaving for Key West around 5 am saturday. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31706	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item.....

mkolosseus wrote: >Yep, you are right. My mistake. I'll hear about this for the next >month. See what happens when you sell your collection? The brain begins to deteriorate! ;^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31707	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: ballast

I use bird grit for ballast. It is CHEAP and has a great granite color. 50 lbs for $5 as I recall. I went down to the local water level route and measured it's ballast. Most was 2-3 inch diameter, with pieces as large as 4" and as small as 1". I then went to the local farm supply store and checked their stock of grit, and chose the size that had the most s scale 2-3" pieces. There were a few pieces too large, so I raided the kitchen for a "sieve" (collander??) that would remove the too-large pieces. The pieces too small I did not worry about, they don't show. Another option is to go to the pet store and buy "canary" grit. Coloring of either of these can be modified by use of dilute india ink. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31708	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: Concerning new steam Steam locomotives, if an affordable version of these listed below,(under $600), which would you purchase? o Van Swearingen 2-8-4 Berkshire (C&O, NKP, PM, RF&P, W&LE, Virginian, etc.) o Lima A-1 Berkshire (B&A, IC, CNW, B&M, MoPac, others) o USRA Light 4-82 (NYNH&H, Southern, NC&St.L, MoPac others) o USRA Heavy 2-10-2 (B&LE, CB&Q, Erie, NYC, PRR, others) o USRA Heavy 4-8-2 (C&O, FEC, N&W, others) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1301278 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31709	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31710	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Details, dents, etc.

I have found that my layout finally grew to a size (8' x 25' plus a 2' x 4' turntable extension) where I can't grow and still perform adequate maintenance. I think an increase in the difference in the level of detail would reduce the size I could maintain. Small details have a way of getting lost from my cars, particularly the kit built stuff. I run hirail and my track density is probably higher than a typical scaler. The determination of maximum size has just happened- it wasn't consciously sought. One day I realized I didn't want to increase the size any more. It's in my basement and I will NOT seek trackage rights through the laundry area. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Loizeaux" <Loizeaux@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Details, dents, etc. > > Do those with layouts tend to accept more compromises > in the interests of actually finishing and operating? > > Do those without layouts tend to "go for the dents" because they > have more time available to satisfy their interest? > > Do those living in California -- the land without basements or attics -- > have smaller more detailed layouts than those living "back East" with > larger train > layouts covering the entire footprint of their residence but with less > superdetailing? > > Is it time for a move? So many choices, so little time..... What > should we do? > > Cheers....Ed L. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31711	From: strain97009	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004

Just loaded up the layout to head for Tacoma tomorrow morning for the NASG Regional Meet. Hope to see a lot of you there, and at the National Train Show in Seattle on Sunday. Bob Boring NWSS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31712	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/9/2004
Subject: The New Steam Poll- Version 2

Hello all. I made a new poll. I ask everyone in the goup to vote. Perhaps we'll see one of the common Steam locos made. I learned something from my last poll- only universal locomotives would have a broad enough appeal to be affordable. Each of the designs are fairly close to being universal- particularly the USRA types. The biggest, the 2-10-2 is probably close to the size of an Old Flyer Northern, so I think it could be made- probably with 3 out of 5 sets of drivers being flangeless. The other types are fairly close size wise to a Flyer (NYC J-3A prototype) in physical size as to be do-able. Likewise they are common on several roads. Jack Bohm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31713	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Back Alley 2 Update

Hi Gang, Just a note to let you know that we are shipping the first lot of Back Alley 2 and extension kits Tuesday. If you have ordered one, you should receive it by the end of the week. Should only tank one day to get the ordered items sent out. Also, we are discontinuing the Motor Court and Gas Station without the canopy. We will try to keep a few of the remaining items in stock for a bit longer. We are clearing the decks for some projects in HO and O scale. Also making room for some new equipment and materials to improve our products. Have a great week-end, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31714	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Ore car report

The DM&IR 5 car set produced by S-Helper has arrived and are running on the layout. They are a great addition. My layout is traditional Gilbert. So, the ore cars are too far apart. That was expected. Here in Colorado, this consist is unique as we see long coal cars. Along Santa Fe Drive there may be as many as four coal trains waiting scheduling. I worked at the Superior State College (Wis) in the late fifties. The steaming of ore cars was common. Steaming will not occur in Colorado. Oh, there are steam engines on the shelves. They smoke great but don't steam up. Strange! Along with the ore cars, I acquired the loads that S-Helper are advertising. They fit and look good.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31715	From: starr007	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Ertl Farm Country County Fair Sets

Greetings, If anyone is interested, I have a friend who has I believe 3 Ertl Farm Country, County Fair sets NIB. He does not have internet access! He is wanting to either sell or trade for some American Flyer, If interested, Send me an E-mail and I will post his Name and Phone number. Thanks and have a Great Weekend, Sincerely, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31716	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: Got me an AF Alco,...FINALLY!!!

Yep,....believe it or not, I had NO AF Alcos!!!! I made a trip over to the "Tehachapi Loop" (here in CA, about a three hour drive one-way), and visited my favorite train store. The SUPER nice couple that own the store were hoping to sell the store and be out by July 1st.....but, the deal fell through... so, I got to see them yesterday (Friday) when my daughter and I, and my 84 year old Mom, made a day trip to Tehachapi. Anyway,.....I found a Sante Fe 360/364 A/B ('51-'52)set of locos.......the paint has been touched up a bit and a few new decals, the nose had been busted up, and was repaired. It runs great! And looks great IMHO. And for $135.00, I couldn't pass it up. So late last night, I dug out my aluminum 660, 662 and 663 and hooked them up. AND, after checking my '52 catalog, I found these were the cars that came with these locos!! I had no idea! I'm pretty excited about my new toys......er, um,.......locos! Some ALMOST good pics here.... http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo81 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31717	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/10/2004
Subject: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction

I made one small mistake in which railroads used the USRA Heavy 2-10-2 Santa Fe type. The NYC did not have any heavy Santa Fe's- they had a few Light Santa Fe's. The two versions look almost Identical, except for the driver size- the Heavy usually had 63" drivers, the light 57" drivers. Otherwise they are identical in appearence. The other technical difference between the 2 models is the weight per axle- 54,000/axle on the light, 60,000/axle on the heavy. On a real life use note, the 2-10-2 was actually just as powerful as the USRA 2-6-6-2, and a lot smaller.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31718	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Re: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction

"trombonelover1" wrote: >I made one small mistake in which railroads used the USRA Heavy 2- 10-2 Santa Fe type. Since the 2-10-2 is known as the "Santa Fe" type, is it logical to assume that the ATSF used them? Or did they shun the USRA design for their own? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31719	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Creating realistic rivets on various model medium surfaces-plastic,

Question out there to you advanced scratch-builders and kit bashers What product(s) and/or technique(s) is out there to create a realistic rivet looking effect for various media e.g. plastic, wood, metal. Here are some of the applications I have in mind: 1. Relocating the baggage door on a plastic AM 80' baggage-dorm car closer to the end of the car and then backfilling the old location with a riveted panel. 2. Placing rivets on a Pratt truss railroad bridge after scratch building with plastic Plastruct-type material. 3. Placing rivets on a Leheigh Models Wagon Top box car (wood model) to add extra realism. 4. Converting a brass River Raison Troop Carrier to an express car version adding rivets to the panels covering the old windows and around the widened middle car door openings. Thanks much, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31720	From: trombonelover1	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Re: The New Steam Poll- Version 2- A correction

From what I have been able to find the ATSF used their own design of 2-10-2. The last 2-10-2's were built in 1931, having been overshadowed by the 2-10-4. The Santa Fe was very common though, even until the end of steam, on quite a few roads.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31721	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31722	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/11/2004
Subject: Drop in Low speed Modification to AF power trucks

Here is a simple modification to the worm shaft assembly in Lionel's American Flyer power trucks for improved low speed and switching duties. It increases the Gear ratio from 10:1 to 20:1 using a drop in modification. Details are here at this link: http://www.tuveson.com/worm/geep/AFLowPSeedGearing.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31723	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Great American Train Show in Orlando July31/August1

Clear you vacation calendars! This is the biggest show of the year for Orlando and I will be representing S GAUGE! Hope to see you there. BTW, did you see the new tipple sets I have?...The new Chessie caboose?...the new book on layouts?...the new 1.64th fire truck?...the new BUY-ON-LINE page for all the aftermarket stuff? Check out the website at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31724	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Wisconsin hobby shops

I will be in and driving between Milwaukee and Fond du Lac next week. Any recommendations for well-stocked hobby shops (preferably with "S" but not necessarily) to visit? Thanks. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31725	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Gilbert Flyer Part II

Hey guys and gals, after a successful sale of my Gilbert Flyer on Sunday I still have lots of items available. Email me and let me know what you might be interested in I just might have it. Thanks. Ed in Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31726	From: biglou2_99	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: switches/cleaning

Hi,any tips on what to use to clean switches?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31727	From: David Engle	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: Re: switches/cleaning

Either a wire brush or bristle brush on a Dremel moto-tool. Keep you speed as low as you can get away with. You may also want to have one or more small double-cut files, usually sold in auto stores as ignition files, on hand.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31728	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/12/2004
Subject: My Idea on rivits.

I think PBS and the company that makes S windows makes rivits. My thought. Take a pin and put on a spacer. Then draw a line and push though the plastic that is used in the craft store to make pictures. I would use thin plastic taped to to a fome board. My idea is that the plastic mesh could be marked with a black majic marker. This way you would have a way to space. My other idea is to print on a computer periods. A whole page of them. Then glue to a thin peace of plastic and use the pin idea. Has anyone tried this. The spacing of the periods would be cahnged by printing in different font sizes. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31729	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

- GreetingS - After fiddling with sign-in to vote in the poll and getting nowhere, I conclude that no one really needs my vote "Concerning new steam Steam locomotives..." CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31730	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

I second it...I too gave up..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <rtg@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains > - GreetingS - > > After fiddling with sign-in to vote in the poll and getting nowhere, I > conclude that no one really needs my vote "Concerning new steam Steam > locomotives..." > > CheerS, > Rhett > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31731	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: My Idea on rivits.

If you are going to print on a compuer, why no just print on transparency (overhead projection material available most anywhere computer equipment is sold) and you already have them on plastic. You can print divided windows on the same material. Jerry --- On Tue 07/13, JAMES SLEETH < aztecfan@... > wrote: From: JAMES SLEETH [mailto: aztecfan@...] To: aarmstro@... Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [S-Trains] My Idea on rivits. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31732	From: Gilbert Henke	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: new poll for S-trains

And I thought I was having trouble because I was too new to the group to know the secret entrance code to vote. Gil Henke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31733	From: firex43	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: AF PA Shell Needed

Hello, I am in need of an AF PA shell(s) for repair of other PA shells. Donor shell must have left front skirt intact and have open pilot; it would be preferable to locate a plastic step version of the PA shell as I am in need of left rear step portion also. However, as these shells are not on the dealer's shelves I will be happy to get what parts I can to work with. Please contact me off list with particulars. Thanks in advance, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31734	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: new poll for S-trains

Hi to all having trouble taking the poll, You need to have a Yahoo sign-in. The one for our S-Trains group is not enough. It gives you access to our group only, not other features of Yahoo. So choose a Yahoo ID and a password and register. I had the same problem when I first joined and wanted to participate in a poll. Good luck... Barb Gilbert Henke wrote: > And I thought I was having trouble because I was too new to the group to know the secret entrance code to vote. > > Gil Henke > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31735	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Re: Great American Train Show in Orlando July31/August1

Hi all! I picked up a few additional postwar S gauge items last night which I'll be posting on my website, http://www.NicksTrains.com, later this evening or toworrow. The all original items include: 947 boxcar missing one brakewheel - no box 303 steam missing tender trucks but with both front steps - no box 928 NH lumber loaded car - no box 26744 manual switches missing flags and rerailer - boxed 916 gondola with 3 cans only - no box 24109 pipe box only 568 billboard with manual - no box 795 Union Station and Terminal missing flag only - no box 952, 953, 954 red passenger cars (952 and 953 have silhouettes - 954 does not?) - boxed Track and transformer All items are an ebay grade of Mint/OB or TCA VG to E+. Ha ha. If anyone has interest in any or all of these items, email me at Greg@.... Thanks! Greg Nicholas www.NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31736	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/13/2004
Subject: Additional postwar Flyer available

Hi all! I picked up a few additional postwar S gauge items last night which I'll be posting on my website, http://www.NicksTrains.com, later this evening or toworrow. The all original items include: 947 boxcar missing one brakewheel - no box 303 steam missing tender trucks but with both front steps - no box 928 NH lumber loaded car - no box 26744 manual switches missing flags and rerailer - boxed 916 gondola with 3 cans only - no box 24109 pipe box only 568 billboard with manual - no box 795 Union Station and Terminal missing flag only - no box 952, 953, 954 red passenger cars (952 and 953 have silhouettes - 954 does not?) - boxed Track and transformer All items are an ebay grade of Mint/OB or TCA VG to E+. Ha ha. If anyone has interest in any or all of these items, email me at Greg@.... Thanks! Greg Nicholas www.NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31737	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Summer 20% Off Sale

It's time for the summer 20% off sale. Anything on the website 20% off plus shipping for the rest of JULY. Previous arrangements, layaways, shows, and BUY-ON-LINE excluded. This is only for S-Trains members and you have to tell me you are on the list. So...........what are you waiting for? Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31738	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Success in Seattle

Barb requested a report on the National Train Show in Seattle last weekend, so here are my observations. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers from Boise and the Bay Area S Scalers from the San Francisco Bay area represented S clubs at the show. As our names indicate, we respectively displayed both S hi-rail and S scale layouts. The RMHR left Boise early Wednesday morning for the 500-mile trip, arriving with our convoy almost ten hours later to unload at the Seahawks Exhibition Center in downtown Seattle. Fortunately, Lookout Junction survived pretty-well intact, despite the high winds we encountered in central Washington. Thursday was the day for setup. Don Thompson from S Helper Service was located right across the aisle from us, along with Ron Sebastian of Des Plaines Hobbies, and S-'n-S Trains was over in the next aisle. The BASS put up their layout very near to ours. Bill Wade from B.T.S. was a little farther away. While we were setting up, we listened to the horn blasts rolling through the building from the 1:1 trains arriving and departing on the rails right outside the loading doors. That set the mood. Thursday evening, a bunch of us met for dinner and social time at Andy's Diner, a collection of rail cars all hooked together into a restaurant. Thanks to Dick Karnes, NASG Executive VP, for recommending it. The S folks were given exclusive use of the Presidential Car, which was FDR's private rail car. Many of us discovered Alaska Amber (smooooth!) that evening. Among those gathering were RMHRs Charlie and Kris Stenzel, Rick and Lindsay Emerson, Kelly Lloyd, Greg Bolton, Wally and JoAnne Langille, John Eichmann, and Steve Blackburn and Sam Rapp, also of S-'n-S; BASSers Lee Johnson and Joe Visintine; Seattle S Gaugers' Don Miholovich; Pacific Rail Shops' John Verser; Don Matthies of NorCal Trains; and NASG's Dick Karnes. We swapped stories - mostly true - about our involvement in S. The show began Friday, July 9. Most of us discovered the fellows at Toy Train Heaven, which was selling American Flyer 20%-50% off. You never saw so many $15 Atlantics go so quickly! They had a whole bunch of them, along with lots of other vintage Gilbert and Lionel AF, and we made some good deals. NorCal Trains also had a bunch of Flyer on sale. Don Thompson was displaying his gorgeous little ore cars. The photos don't do them justice, as you really have to hold one in your hand to appreciate their beauty and craftsmanship. We were quite honored to occupy such close proximity to the Showcase Line. When audiences would comment favorably about our SHS stuff, we'd just point to Don and tell them to go meet the manufacturer himself. Paul and Sue Yorke dropped by Lookout Junction, as did Jacques Ollivier, Gil Hulin, Howard Sheffield, Bob Boring, Jerry and Nancy Hildenbrand, Bruce Renshaw, Don Osborne, and Edward G. from Canada TTOS. I'm sure there were other S gaugers I didn't get to meet. We displayed for three days, and made a lot of friends for S, I believe. Many of the 15,000+ attendees thanked us for providing so much fun for the youngsters, with all our buttons and operating accessories. As usual, the mailbag pickup was the favorite accessory, and we got a kick out of watching the faces in the crowds as they expressed astonishment and delight each time the mailcar made its exchange. Retired school teacher JoAnne got to explain the history behind rail mail to the kids as she replaced the bags on the stand. Unfortunately, our double crossing on the lower level saw way too many crashes (that's where Lookout Junction got its name), but no damage was done, and the audiences loved it. We set up the NASG banner at our literature table next to the layout, and gave away quite a few pounds of S paper over the weekend. Our club operated in shifts, so members had the opportunity to do some sight-seeing around Seattle. The Museum of Flight at Boeing Field, an October-class Russian sub, the Space Needle, and the new Sci-Fi Museum were all visited. It was tiring, but so much fun, and we were proud to show the S colors. Most of us packed up and headed back to Boise Monday morning, just as the NASG Western Regional was getting into full swing down the road in Tacoma. We'll await a report from one of the folks who attended the convention. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31739	From: nasglibrary	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Friday July 16 through Tuesday August 3. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31740	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: wants

Now that I've gained some shelf space I'm interested in any of the following in "S";any convention, S spree, TTOS, TCA, or special painted or lettered car. Some Lionel Flyer would interest me, although I have quite a bit of that. I still have Gilbert Flyer available like Christmas tree car, multi purpose car, Air Force car, rocket sled and car etc etc etc. Looking forward to hearing from you and as always thanks. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31741	From: carltonlowry	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: Gats Show

I would like to remind people on the list of the Great American Train Show appearing this coming weekend, July 17th and 18th, in Richmond, Virginia at the Showplace on Mechanicville Pike. Anyone coing to or through Richmond for the weekend is cordially invited to stop by and view some great layouts. Our club, the Virginia Central division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will have a layout. Looking forward to seeing some of you there. Thanks, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31742	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2004
Subject: NMRA convention is Seattle

Sam and I had a booth at the big NMRA national convention last week in Seattle. Although it was principally HO, and N scale we were able to demonstrate our new track cleaning car to lots of interested people. We will leave it up to some of the people from this list that were there to tell you of it's merit or failure in their own words. In our opinion it is the best working track cleaner ever made. We will be making it available in Both S and O gauge. It will run on either AC or DC (yes it is powered). We had a ton of requests to make it in HO from show attendees. That might happen some day too. This car may be ordered with high rail or scale wheels and with any coupler combination you desire. Some people thought we were asking too little for it, but we are determined to keep it under $100 for the S gauge version. We are targeting October 1st as market day. You may email us for more information. One note of interest: A Seattle newspaper took photos of a layout and published a picture in their newspaper. Guess who? Lookout Junction of the Rocky Mt. Hi-Railers. Toy train at it's finest and everyone knew it. Thanks, Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise, Idaho snstrains@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31743	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you like to see made? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Baldwin Sharknose, 7 votes, 14.00% - FM Erie Built, 3 votes, 6.00% - FM C-Liner, 2 votes, 4.00% - Lima 1200hp light road switcher, 5 votes, 10.00% - GE C-30-7, 2 votes, 4.00% - EMD SD-40-2, 11 votes, 22.00% - Alco C-420, 3 votes, 6.00% - Alco C-630, 2 votes, 4.00% - EMD GP-38, 5 votes, 10.00% - something else, 10 votes, 20.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31744	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide first Anniversary

Congratulations to S/Sn3 Modeling Guide for making it to their one year Anniversary. I am looking foreword to meeting the Editor in person at the NASG in Arlington Heights this month. So send $39.50 to Deben LLC P.O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 Don�t think or complain, just send money. It is better to have a magazine to complain about then not. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31745	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains

I count a total of about 41 votes. I saw some earlier questions about how to participate. Do you think maybe participation was too small because it was too difficult to vote? At this point the winner was the SD-40-2 at 22% and the runner up was "something else" at 20%. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Poll results for S-Trains > > The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the > final results: > > > POLL QUESTION: Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you > like to see made? > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - Baldwin Sharknose, 7 votes, 14.00% > - FM Erie Built, 3 votes, 6.00% > - FM C-Liner, 2 votes, 4.00% > - Lima 1200hp light road switcher, 5 votes, 10.00% > - GE C-30-7, 2 votes, 4.00% > - EMD SD-40-2, 11 votes, 22.00% > - Alco C-420, 3 votes, 6.00% > - Alco C-630, 2 votes, 4.00% > - EMD GP-38, 5 votes, 10.00% > - something else, 10 votes, 20.00% > > > > For more information about this group, please visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains > > For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31746	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains

As for voting... I tried to log on.... to many hoops to jump thru.... so I just dropped it.... I don't have time to log this, type that, etc..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Poll results for S-Trains > I count a total of about 41 votes. > I saw some earlier questions about how to participate. > Do you think maybe participation was too small because it was too difficult > to vote? > At this point the winner was the SD-40-2 at 22% and the runner up was > "something else" at 20%. > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:02 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Poll results for S-Trains > > > > > > The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the > > final results: > > > > > > POLL QUESTION: Which Diesel Locomotive(s) would you > > like to see made? > > > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > > - Baldwin Sharknose, 7 votes, 14.00% > > - FM Erie Built, 3 votes, 6.00% > > - FM C-Liner, 2 votes, 4.00% > > - Lima 1200hp light road switcher, 5 votes, 10.00% > > - GE C-30-7, 2 votes, 4.00% > > - EMD SD-40-2, 11 votes, 22.00% > > - Alco C-420, 3 votes, 6.00% > > - Alco C-630, 2 votes, 4.00% > > - EMD GP-38, 5 votes, 10.00% > > - something else, 10 votes, 20.00% > > > > > > > > For more information about this group, please visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains > > > > For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31747	From: Hall G	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S in Seattle

S in Seattle at NMRA. S was very well represented at the NMRA show and convention. While the show was mentioned I would like to also note the many great S layouts on the tours. I took what I had time to do in tours with S on the layout tours. Some very fine S scale narrow gauge layouts with great detailing scenery and operation. Wow is all that could be said of the detailing and craftsmanship. As for the show was nice that S dealers and displays were mostly in one area together. The S hi rail layout was great fun to watch and I think was the most entertaining of all at the show. It sure did take a keen eye to deal with the double cross over. Saw some near misses but no hits had to have someone really concentrating to keep an eye on the crossing. Lots of great action with all the trains running. I was really stunned at how many trains the scale locos could pull and up and down the grades. The scale layout looked great as well. Some dealers brought a good collection of items for sale at great prices. Great week for S at NMRA think it really showcased the scale for many attending. Great job to those that held layout tours, sales and the layouts at the show. Good work great show. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31748	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: tinplate flatcar url

A few months ago someone posted a bunch of photos of rebuilt repainted tinplate flatcars, mostly with fantasy vehicle loads. They were gorgeous. Does anyone have the url? I would like to take another look. Thanks for your help. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31749	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/15/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale.

Here are a few items that are taking up too much space. I'll try them here before I head them to ebay. All are in their original boxes and are complete. All are highrail but can be easily converted. shipping is USA. ITEM #1. American Models Union Pacific Streamline smooth side 5 car Passenger set #1201 1202, 1203, 1204, and 1205. all the painting is in excellent condition. There are a few places where a minor bit of glue is on the inside of a window. I can send pictures as needed. I think these were assembled years ago and stored away. They are very clean. $350 plus $15 ship and insured. ITEM #2. American Models Union Pacific Streamline smooth side Passenger car #1204 Vista dome. Like new, never assembled. $75 plus 5 ship. ITEM #3. American Models Union Pacific Streamline smooth side Passenger car #1202 Coach. like new never assembled. $75 plus $5 ship. Items 1, 2 and 3 for $500 shipping included. following are new in box. ITEM # 4. Pacific Rail Shops Great Northern 50' slide door box car. light green #39830 $25 plus 4 ship ITEM # 5. American Models UP CD Hopper gray $25 plus $4 ship ITEM # 6. American models Railbox 50ft ribside box $25 plus $4 ship ITEM # 7. S Helper 2 bay blue great northern hopper #00278 $30 plus $4 ship. Items 4, 5, 6, and 7 for $110 shipping included. thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31750	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Set value

I have a chance at a Flyer set that is purported to be new in the box. I can't open the boxes to verify. I did not find a set number on the box. It looked as though it had faded. The contents are: 322 AC 716 629 630 track All the boxes are there and in very nice condition. Assuming they actually are in new condition what would the value be. Thanks Al Galli

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31751	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value

Hi, Al: Sounds like you are looking at a 4611A set (1948-49). There should be a 634 in the set, too. If truly complete and in E+/LN condition with OBs, papers, etc., the set is listed for $450, ha-hum, on page 57 of the 2nd edition of the "TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946-2004". If I were you, I'd make final purchase contingent upon a satisfactory inspection of the contents of the boxes. If the set number on the set box is truly unreadable, this would lower the value a bit. Look carefully -- some set numbers were stamped with red ink during this period and the number may be faded but observable with some diligence. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck PS: Forgive me, but I remained a bit mystified about why folks will spend many $$ on trains and yet not buy a simple little book costing $12.95 to help them make informed judgments ;-)) In a message dated 7/16/2004 4:59:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, algalli@... writes: I have a chance at a Flyer set that is purported to be new in the box. I can't open the boxes to verify. I did not find a set number on the box. It looked as though it had faded. The contents are: 322 AC 716 629 630 track All the boxes are there and in very nice condition. Assuming they actually are in new condition what would the value be. Thanks Al Galli [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31752	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value

Set number should probably be 4611 or 4611A and it sould have a 634 in the set also. These sets were mfg. in 1948- 49. Value if really new, could bring $600 - 650 with the 634. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31753	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: S in Seattle

Thanks, Gale Hall, for your kind comments about the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers' layout, Lookout Junction, at the National Train Show in Seattle. Coming from someone of your stature, that's sweet praise, indeed. Our layout isn't prototypical or scale; it isn't super detailed; it doesn't pretend to represent anything other than "toy trains"; but it sure is fun. Your comment that it was "great fun to watch" and "was the most entertaining of all at the show" is what our club is all about. You said that you were "really stunned at how many trains the scale locos could pull up and down the grades." I want to give credit where it's due. It was actually a hi-rail version of S Helper Service's beautifully detailed Union Pacific F-3 AB that pulled the 37-car consist with ease on our grades. The four motors in those two locomotives could have handled even more, but that's all the SHS cars I had brought with me. When asked by audience members about that phenomenal pulling power and whether all trucks were powered, Don Thompson responded, "There are no dummies in S." (Love it!) YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31754	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: Set value

But caution on prices these days..... I just bought a 20249 set LN OB and A 5322T red pass set..... e.... both 500.... cat for the pass set around 700... No boxes..... Winter Wonderland..... extra nice..... 500..... 293 that could pass for new 100.... In general prices are down quite a bit now.... NOW IS THE TIME TO BUY.... Looking now at A 40 Mountain and 30 Hudson..... all OB's... Might get both..... truly new..... cat x 160% then cut in half for a good start point.... But there are exceptions to this..... some items....MORE THAN CAT....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <algalli@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set value > Set number should probably be 4611 or 4611A and it sould have a 634 in > the set also. These sets were mfg. in 1948- 49. > Value if really new, could bring $600 - 650 with the 634. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31755	From: Robert Boring	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Puget Sound 2004

Hi All, Just wanted to say thanks to all of you that attended the Puget Sound 2004 NASG Regional Convention. Your attendance made it one of the best conventions I have ever been to. The staff at the La Quinta Inn were very good in providing what we needed, and I hope everyone had as good a time as I did. It was great to be in Seattle and see the Lookout Junction RR and meet the people responsible for such a fun display of trains. Also it was good to be able to renew old acquaintances and put faces with names I see on the lists. I want to thank Lee and Joe and the rest of the crew that helped with the BASS layout. I know what a big job that is to tear down and set again in just a matter of hours. I especially want to thank Dick Karnes, Paul Scoles, Brian Ellerby,(hope I spelled this right) Art Knoles,and the other layout owners who took their time to invite us to their homes after doing this all week with the National Train Show. Your hospitality was very much appreciated. I also want to thank the dealers who took the time to set up in the display rooms at the hotel. While I came away a lot lighter in the wallet it was fun to see all of the things available and do a little dreaming. Sincerely, Bob Boring NEWS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31756	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Re: switches/cleaning

Hi Biglou: As much as possible i use non-abrasive methods to clean Flyer track. This stuff is only tin "plated" so using emory/sand paper or those yellow track cleaning pads not only removes the oxidation it also removes the plating. This only speeds the oxidation process because you expose the steel rail underneath. First try using radio shack tuner degreaser. On the tuff stuff use a metal polish, i use "Wenger" comes in a red tube. Then use radio shack tuner cleaner. This helps keep it from reoxidizing quickly. White erasers also work well on track and wheels. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "biglou2_99" <lglumac@c...> wrote: > Hi,any tips on what to use to clean switches?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31757	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/16/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31758	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: A fun Sunday it will be!

I get to go to a GATS on Sunday!! The big plus is, I'll be meeting up with the infamous "Barb" !! And I'll get to see David Dewey and his wife Linda again, and will get to meet Ed Eckert for the first time. Hey David....is Howard going to be there too?? Hopefully will meet some others from the list! And yes,...there WILL be photos to share!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31759	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: 4611 set value

Thanks for all the responses. The set did include the 634. My omission. At a country auction in eastern PA, the set today sold for $850. I did not get it. Al Galli

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31760	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale Part 2

I sold the UP cars, thanks. I still have the following that are new in box. ITEM # 4. Pacific Rail Shops Great Northern 50' slide door box car. light green #39830 $22 plus 4 ship ITEM # 5. American Models UP CD Hopper gray $22 plus $4 ship ITEM # 6. American models Railbox 50ft ribside box $22 plus $4 ship ITEM # 7. S Helper 2 bay blue great northern hopper #00278 $25 plus $4 ship. Items 4, 5, 6, and 7 for $95 shipping included. I have added ITEM #8 American Model Amtrack Superliner "set" Phase 3 (red,white, and blue stripe) 2 engines and 6 passenger cars. (basically a set and a half) I am not sure if there are any boxes, I will dig for that. everything has been converted to the large (am makes these) flyer compatible couplers. I will include the small original couplers. Everything runs great on American flyer track. All are high rail.The front engine was modified at one time and has no front coupler, looks fine runs fine, just underneath coupler mount is missing. and SHS front coupler may work if needed. Other engine is like new. all 6 cars are like new except diner has a small crack in top. All for $375 plus $20 shipping USA. That totals to $40 per coach and $75 for each engine. Item #9: American Models Coach smoothside Streamliner Southern Pacific Daylight colors excellent condition $75 plus $5 shipping USA Item #10 2nd one: American Models Coach smoothside Streamliner Southern Pacific Daylight colors excellent condition $75 plus $5 shipping USA Item #11: American Models Vista Dome smoothside Streamliner Southern Pacific Daylight colors excellent condition $85 plus $5 shipping USA, This has never been assembled. Item #12: American Models smoothside set of 5 cars in Streamliner Southern Pacific Daylight colors excellent condition $350 plus $20 shipping USA Item #13: I have 7 notebooks full of Great Northern Goat (great northern club pubs) and reference sheets. everything from 1988 plus 100 or so reference sheets from before that. Also included would be all the back colanders to 88 or so and whatever else I can find to stick in the box. $100 INCLUDING shipping to the USA. IF you want You can make me an offer on any of these, I will not get upset but will reserve the right to decline. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31761	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: S Rollingstock for sale part 3

Whoops forgot item 14: American models SD60 engine GM EMD 1 blue and white colors. Hi-rail with knuckles. Flyer compatible. Excellent condition except missing horns on top and 5 railing stanchions and the small railing section in the cab left corner. I have the horns, the railing section and 3 of the stanchions to go with it. so there is a half hour or so of work with it but it is half price at $140 plus $10 shipping. Runs as new. Thanks for looking. Eric reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31762	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Set Information Requested

Hello all, Does anyone have any information on the following set: 21130 loco/tender, 24125 Bethlehem Steel gondola w/rail load, 24225 S. F. hopper, 24065 NYC box car, 24329 Hooker tank car and 24634 deluxe caboose? I have this set but the set box markings have long since left the building. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31763	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Re: Set Information Requested

TUFTS lists 3 sets.... none match....20530, 20741, 20768.... but pieces do get swapped.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Set Information Requested > Hello all, > > Does anyone have any information on the following set: > 21130 loco/tender, 24125 Bethlehem Steel gondola w/rail load, 24225 > S. F. hopper, 24065 NYC box car, 24329 Hooker tank car and 24634 > deluxe caboose? I have this set but the set box markings have long > since left the building. > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31764	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/17/2004
Subject: Tom Gould -email me again

Tom Gould [jgestar@...] You asked me some questions but you have a spamblocker that rejects my email so email me again and tell me how to get by that. eric [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31765	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set Information Requested

Looks like you have a 1963 Smoky Mountain set #20768 here, missing a few of the cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31766	From: ER & JR	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: S stuff for sale and giveaway part 4.

I am in the process of a massive cleanout of my train room this weekend. Always fun on 85+ degree, 80+% humidity days. I know those numbers are nothing to most of you guys but here in Seattle we need rain and cool weather to survive. Here are 2 more things I have. Item 15: the first 6 video tapes in the S and S set of S videos. My VHS machine died and we do not plan to replace it. I am replacing the tapes with the dvd's so these are expendable. I will ship all 6 to you postpaid for $45 in the usa Thats about $7 each plus shipping. I will break them up in a few days if no one wants them all so send in requests at $7 plus ship each. ITEM 16: for you Car type people. I have a complete set of Car Classics magazine. This was put out by about 6 different companies in its life from 1966 to 1979 but this is a complete set of about 70 issues. You can save them from the recycle bin by paying media mail postage to you. Actually $25 should be enough to get them boxed and through the postal service to you. If you are in seattle, drive over and pick them up. Thanks to you guys all the AM smoothside cars are sold, as are the GN items. The Amtrack cars ( I will sell the items separately) and SD60 are still out there as are the AM hopper and railbox car and the SHS hopper. (see below) Make me an offer!! Thanks: Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. ITEM # 5. American Models UP CD Hopper gray $20 plus $4 ship ITEM # 6. American models Railbox 50ft ribside box $20 plus $4 ship ITEM # 7. S Helper 2 bay blue great northern hopper #00278 $25 plus $4 ship. ____________________________________________________________ ITEM # 8: American Model Amtrack Superliner "set" Phase 3 (red,white, and blue stripe) 2 engines and 6 passenger cars. (basically a set and a half) I am not sure if there are any boxes, I will dig for that. everything has been converted to the large (am makes these) flyer compatible couplers. I will include the small original couplers. Everything runs great on American flyer track. All are high rail.The front engine was modified at one time and has no front coupler, looks fine runs fine, just underneath coupler mount is missing. and SHS front coupler may work if needed. Other engine is like new. all 6 cars are like new except diner has a small crack in top. All for $375 plus $20 shipping USA. That totals to $40 per coach and $75 for each engine. _______________________________________________________ ITEM # 14: American models SD60 engine GM EMD 1 blue and white colors. Hi-rail with knuckles. Flyer compatible. Excellent condition except missing horns on top and 5 railing stanchions and the small railing section in the cab left corner. I have the horns, the railing section and 3 of the stanchions to go with it. so there is a half hour or so of work with it but it is half price at $140 plus $10 shipping. Runs as new. _____________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31767	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Set Identified

Hello all, As usual - just ask any AF question here and it will be promptly answered. The set I have is the 1963 Smoky Mountain set #20768. The cars I listed in my original email where still in the set box and in their individual boxes (except the 21130 - no boxes). I looked in another box and located the 24577 with jet fuel cannisters, the 24076 stock car and the 24566 car carrier (unfortunately w/o the car carrier). Now all I need is an inexpensive car carrier (hahahahaha) to complete the set. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31768	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set Identified

That set came with the 24633 PM Caboose, as I am sure others will tell you the complete cars that came with that set, as I think that set is from 1962. I know one of the 21130 sets had the Christmas Tree flat, as downstairs, I have the complete listing of the three 21130 sets, as one set was issue for two years, the Smoky Mountain, I believe, as I am almost done, rebuilding all three sets. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Set Identified > Hello all, > > As usual - just ask any AF question here and it will be promptly > answered. The set I have is the 1963 Smoky Mountain set #20768. The > cars I listed in my original email where still in the set box and in > their individual boxes (except the 21130 - no boxes). I looked in > another box and located the 24577 with jet fuel cannisters, the 24076 > stock car and the 24566 car carrier (unfortunately w/o the car > carrier). > > Now all I need is an inexpensive car carrier (hahahahaha) to complete > the set. > > BG1 > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31769	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Set with 21130

This could be the most of the 20768 set from 1963-64, which also had a 24577 IC flat car, 24076 UP stock car, and 24566 NH flatcar. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ****** Hello all, Does anyone have any information on the following set: 21130 loco/tender, 24125 Bethlehem Steel gondola w/rail load, 24225 S. F. hopper, 24065 NYC box car, 24329 Hooker tank car and 24634 deluxe caboose? I have this set but the set box markings have long since left the building. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31770	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Gilbert HO

Anybody out there have an extra 126 Sinclair Black tanker for Gilbert HO??? Thanx in advance...Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31771	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Re: Set with 21130

I grabbed my list from downstairs on the sets with the 21130: Set 20768 from 1962 and 1963: 21130 direct wire Hudson, 24225 SF Hopper (2 varations) 24577 IC Flat - Jet transport, 24065 NYC Box, 24329 Hooker Tank, 24125 Bethlehem Steel Gondola, 24076 UP Stock, 24566 NH Flat with autos, and 24634 Caboose. I did learn, that I didn't know, in my 12 years of being back in AF, that the rails for the gondola should not be crimped, as the rails where from the production line. Crimped rails means someone took the rails from track that had the ties on it. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31772	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Puget Sound NASG Regional

As I have to totally "destroy" my mailboxes after more than a few days of absence, I'm not aware if anyone has yet sung the praises of the Puget Sound NASG Regional or not. Gil Hulin and Nancy/Jerry Hildenbrand, with lots of help from Washington, Oregon, and California S-heads, put on a really class-act regional meeting. While the majority of the attendees were from the near-by locale--read, almost anywhere west of the Mississippi--folks were there from Illinois and Michigan. There was never a dull moment. Three train rides, one boat cruise, layout tours, a tour of a train repair facility, a great swap meet, lots of picnics, and, of course, the National Train Show all combined to keep the troops busy from start to finish. I, for one, was pooped-out at the concluding banquet. What was most appreciated was that not one event or excursion was late, screwed up, or misdirected. Everything went off like clockwork. Made some new friends and renewed some old acquaintances. I believe a good time was had by all. Hats off to Gil, Nancy, and Jerry for a job well done. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31773	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 18, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31774	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Other 21130 Sets

The two other sets with the 21130 Hudson: The NIghthawk 1959 and 1960: with the plug in 21130: 24558 CP Christmas Flat 24316 Mobil Tanker 24109 C&O Gondola 24043 B&M Box 24413 AAART Reefer 24633 AFL Caboose I would think all of these are Knuckle cars. Set 20741 in 1962 with a direct wire 21130 25058 SP Lumber 24575 Bordon's Flat 25062 Mine Carrier 24566 Auto Flat 24633 AFL Caboose Again, I just happen to have this written out, as these are the things I am concentrating on for my collection, as I am almost done! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31775	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: Rivets

A good way to make rivets is with a pounce wheel. Use .005 brass sheets and roll the pounce wheel along making a series of indents, which look like rivits from the other side. This can then be cut to fit the application. Micro Mark sells a set of three pounce wheels. Go to http://www.micromark.com/ and search for keyword pounce. Or use this direct link: http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=15200 Pounce Wheels ExplainedUse #1: Transferring Drawings from Paper to Wood Just roll the pounce wheel over the drawing and it perforates tiny holes in the paper. Place the paper over the wood. Then rub powdered chalk (the kind used for snap lines; available at any hardware store) over the perforated holes. The chalk goes through the holes and marks the wood. Use #2: Simulating Rivets on Models Works on wood, plastic and sheet brass up to .010 inch thick. Aluminum handles with steel wheels. Tighten chuck for straight lines or loosen for curves. Sold in a set of three: 15/64 inch diameter x .041 inch spacing, 1/4 inch diameter x .066 inch spacing and 7/16 inch diameter x .072 inch spacing. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31776	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2004
Subject: chat line

Tonight I thought i would try the chat line but no matter how many user and passwords I create it won't let me in. What is the trick? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31777	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: AF sales list updated 7/15 now available

Hi, one and all. I sent out my 7/15 updated list to everyone on my mailing list last night. If you are not in my mailing group (or if you are, but did not receive the e-mail), please contact me if you desire a copy. Happy train hunting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31778	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: National Train Show and Puget Sound Regional

Hello friends, I would like to add my compliments to all who participated on behalf of S gauge at the National Train Show in Seattle and who worked on and participated in the Puget Sound NASG Regional Convention. I had not pre-registered for the regional convention because I was not sure I was going to be able to get away from the office again so soon after being gone for three weeks. Unfortunately some family medical issues unexpectedly brought my wife and I up to Bremerton, WA, near both Seattle and Tacoma, Friday night, July 9th. On the other hand, fortunately on Sunday I was able to take a break and take my high school age nephew Trevor over to the National Train Show at the Seahawk Exhibition Hall in Seattle. Imagine my delight in seeing that S gauge played a major role among both the vendors and the display layouts. Coming in the main entrance it was just a few steps to Look-out Junction and the great S gauge product vendors like SHS along with Don Marty's offering of AF and 1/64th items along with other scales. Trevor and I then looked over the Bay Area S Gaugers' layout and tackled the rest of the show. We finally finished several hours later with the Norcal Trains booth at the other end of the Hall. As far as Trevor was concerned, S gauge was one of the top two or three scales, not the off beat minority scale some publishers and many hobby shops would have us believe. I know how much work doing a show like that can be, and my hat is off to all who participated and brought our favorite scale to the masses. I was not able to attend the regional convention in Tacoma, but I made it a point to stop by the last few hours of the public show Tuesday evening on my way back to Oregon. The access to the convention site from Interstate made that a real convenient stop for me. I was greeted by Gil Hulin who was seeing that everything was moving along as planned and I was able to buy and take with me the cool convention car that I thought I might miss. It sounds from others that the convention activities were enjoyable, but all I can speak to is the very pleasant time I had dividing about an hour and a half of my time between the two vendor and layout display rooms which not only again featured Norcal Trains, Don Marty and Bay Area S, but also the likes of David Dansky's AF offerings and the Oregon S scalers' layout among others. So, while I feel badly that I was unable to participate as a full fledged attendee, and I know I missed a lot of fun, a big thanks to Gil and all who helped, displayed and participated in these two outstanding efforts to bring S gauge to the forefront of the Pacific Northwest in 2004. Thank you, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31779	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: S-Train list members @ GATS

As promised....here's a photo of FIVE S-Train members at the GATS in San Mateo, CA this past weekend! Three from Calif., one from Canada, and one from Florida. http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Rick_David_Barb_Ed_Edward_S_List_members_July_04 http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Edward_ED_Barb_GATS_San_Mateo_CA It was a REAL treat to meet the infamous Barb, along with Ed Eckert, and Edward (from Canada and I'm drawing a blank on his last name!! Must be the Canadian beer he gave me!!) for the first time,... and to see David "Duck" Dewey again! And the three wives that put up with our nonsense!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31780	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS

Perfect picture...... TITLE " ROSE AMONG THE THORNS " Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Train list members @ GATS > As promised....here's a photo of FIVE S-Train members at the GATS > in San Mateo, CA this past weekend! > Three from Calif., one from Canada, and one from Florida. > http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Rick_David_Barb_Ed_Edward_S_List_members_J uly_04 > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Edward_ED_Barb_GATS_San_Mateo_CA > > It was a REAL treat to meet the infamous Barb, along with Ed Eckert, and Edward > (from Canada and I'm drawing a blank on his last name!! Must be the Canadian > beer he gave me!!) for the first time,... and to see David "Duck" Dewey again! > And the three wives that put up with our nonsense!! > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31781	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS

Yeah, but, who is the dog in the picture! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Train list members @ GATS > Perfect picture...... > > TITLE " ROSE AMONG THE THORNS " > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S-Train list members @ GATS > > > > As promised....here's a photo of FIVE S-Train members at the GATS > > in San Mateo, CA this past weekend! > > Three from Calif., one from Canada, and one from Florida. > > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Rick_David_Barb_Ed_Edward_S_List_members_J > uly_04 > > > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/Edward_ED_Barb_GATS_San_Mateo_CA > > > > It was a REAL treat to meet the infamous Barb, along with Ed Eckert, and > Edward > > (from Canada and I'm drawing a blank on his last name!! Must be the > Canadian > > beer he gave me!!) for the first time,... and to see David "Duck" Dewey > again! > > And the three wives that put up with our nonsense!! > > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31782	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS

***(((Yeah, but, who is the dog in the picture!)))*** Hey! Quick calling ME names!!!!! ;^)> That's Edward's dot-to-dot dog! I called him "Sparky" but I believe his name is Brewster......Edward, please correct me ifn' I got his name wrong!! (When ya get home!!) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31783	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Train list members @ GATS

Thanks Rick! I would never call you names! Does the dog play bass too? Or howl in Bass? O:)! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31784	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Flyer Mikado

I've been out to touch for a while. Anyone know when the Mike is supposed to be on the shelves? Lionel hasn't the time to return my queries. Ron Kemp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31785	From: hgetrain	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Mikado

When I last checked the Lionel website about two weeks ago, the Mike was scheduled for Dec. delivery. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, kempfam@a... wrote: > I've been out to touch for a while. Anyone know when the Mike is supposed to > be on the shelves? Lionel hasn't the time to return my queries. > Ron Kemp > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31786	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: That Dewey fella just NEVER stops working!!

David Dewey....always at it!!! http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/David_Dewey_workin_out_some_dents_in_Edward_s_purchase Sittin' in the shade outside the GATS in San Mateo. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2004
Subject: My new Plasticville addition.

Edward twisted my arm to buy a Plasticville Hospital at GATS!! OK....not really... he needed the floor and furniture, and I was happy to get the building! Now I have a place to park the ol' "Meat Wagon" !! http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo46/Plasticville_Hospital_with_the_Meat_Wagon_parked_out_front http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo46/Plasticville_Hospital_with_the_Meat_Wagon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31788	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Mikado

The Lionel rep told me at Pitt TCA Conv.... December..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <kempfam@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Mikado > I've been out to touch for a while. Anyone know when the Mike is supposed to > be on the shelves? Lionel hasn't the time to return my queries. > Ron Kemp > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31789	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: That Dewey fella just NEVER stops working!!

My wife thought David Dewey was making an exotic cocktail of some sort, since Mr. Dewey is sporting that "fine" looking Hawaiian Shirt on! LOL I didn't know that these West Coast AF Meets where so much better than York! Here's to Drink em ups! I will have an ice tea however! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] That Dewey fella just NEVER stops working!! > David Dewey....always at it!!! > http://s-scale.org/albums/album82/David_Dewey_workin_out_some_dents_in_Edward_s_purchase > Sittin' in the shade outside the GATS in San Mateo. > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31790	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay

My feelings about Ebay and Sniping. I feel that if one puts in a high bid at the last seconds of a auction, so that they can win the item, then that is the price they should pay. Also, I feel that a auction should have a end time, but if a bid comes in at the last minute, then the auction should be extended a few more minutes to give everyone a fair chance at placing a last bid for this item. That would solve the problem of sniping and then a fair market price will be paid for the item. A benefit to one who really wants the item, should a true bidding "war" come about and a real benefit to the seller, who will get a higher price for it in the end. And when there are no more bids, after the last bid, and the alloted extra time has come and gone, then the auction is over. Just my opinion. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31791	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: Former C&NW Passenger Cars - Soon to be on eBay

Hi Everyone I don't know how many of you may have a interest in the C&NW, but I thought that this was worth sharing. I was reading an old article in a Milwaukee Road Historical publication concerning their Super Dome passenger cars, and read with great interest that the C&NW had owned one from 1985 until it was sold off by the UP in 1995. The car was named Powder River and had been sold to the North Carolina Dept of Transportation. The article listed a website at www.bytrain.org as a follow up for more information. As it turns out that ex. Milwaukee Rd, ex. C&NW Superdome car will soon be up for auction on eBay along with four other ex C&NW passenger cars and an F3B unit. The other cars are still in their C&NW paint, the former Power River super dome is now painted up in Amtrak colors. The other cars are an observation/business car MINNESOTA, two sleepers LAKE NORMAN, & LAKE MATTAMUSKEET, dining car CEDAR RIVER and the F3B unit OAK CREEK. There are extensive photos of all of these cars, floor plans and data sheets. Please check out this website at http://www.bytrain.org/ and click the link for surplus railroad passenger cars for sale. These cars are to be listed on Ebay and sold latter this summer. I hope that you find this as interesting as I did. Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31792	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/20/2004
Subject: AC Gilbert may be over rated.

I was thinking. What engines did AC come out with that where not from Chicago Flyer? I am sure that he produced the Diesels, and all the Plastic Steam engines and the metal Pacific and Atlantic with out the details trim. Perhaps he did all the 1/64 engines. My favorite is the 0-6-0 switcher and tender. That would be his bested detailed plastic steem engine. I wish Lionel would come out with the 0-6-0 Doc side that ran and had smoke, light and sound. Steems to me that would be a cheap project and a great starter set engine. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31793	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert may be over rated.

Jim Sleeth wrote; >What engines did AC come out with >that where not from Chicago Flyer? ALL of the prewar 3/16 inch scale 0 gauge steam locomotives were developed by the A. C. Gilbert company. That includes: 4-8-4 "Northern" (Which Gilbert NEVER referred to as a "Challenger.") 4-6-4 Hudson 4-6-2 K5 Pacific 4-6-2 "Royal Blue" P7sa Pacific 0-8-0 Switcher ...along with the locos you mentioned. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31794	From: John Brockmann	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay

Mike, there used to be an auction site that did just that...They had everything but trains tho and I cannot remember what site that was. I believe they have folded now. They kept the auction going for one minute if there was another bid with ,say,3 seconds left. Then after one minute of no bids, the auction ended. I think Ebay should do the same. My 2 cents,John. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > My feelings about Ebay and Sniping. > > > Also, I feel that a auction should have a end time, but if a bid comes in at > the last minute, then the auction should be extended a few more minutes to > give everyone a fair chance at placing a last bid for this item. That would > solve the problem of sniping and then a fair market price will be paid for > the item. > > And when there are no more bids, after the last bid, and the alloted extra > time has come and gone, then the auction is over. > > Just my opinion. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31795	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Fw: RMD Summer Meet

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Paula Rea" <prea4sweets753@...> To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:21:13 -0600 Subject: RMD Summer Meet Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV4pUYvHZppBJ0004710e@...> TRAIN SHOW & SALE PLEASE SHARE WITH THE UNCONNECTED. Thank you. Hi Everyone, As time draws near for our summer meet the advertising committee has a small request. If you recall last year we requested donations from the members to be used as door prizes for our attending public. Once again, we call upon your support for donations. Value is not important but the item must be in good, working condition. Those of you that supported the cause last year put big smiles on a number of faces. We would like to have your donations on Friday, July 30, during setup but will take them as late as Saturday morning before the show opens. Please drop you donations off with John Busch, Paula Rea or Jerry Foss. Thanks for helping out. We look forward to having a terrific show. The Advertising Committee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31796	From: John Gibson	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: OT: S-Scale list - anyone know why its down?

My apologies for this off topic post, but I know some S-Scale list members are members of this list too. Any of you folks know why the S-Scale list is down? Can someone alert the moderator? Thanks, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31797	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay

The Egghead auction site extended the auction (I think for an additional 3 minutes) after a bid was made. The auctions often went several hours after the original closing time. Can you imagine how long an eBay auction would run if the time was extended 3 minutes every time someone bid another dollar?!?!?!?! On Egghead there would be little or no bids until the final minute, then people would bid it up at the minimum bid increment hoping to drag it out and bore the other bidders to death by waiting until the 3 minute timer had almost expired. By the way - this worked so well that Egghead auctions went out of business. And speaking of long auctions, why are eBay auctions 7 days long when all of the action takes place during the last couple of minutes. Maybe they should limit the auctions to 1 or 2 days. For better or worse - sniping is very common on eBay and I don't think anyone can, or should, prevent it. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31798	From: Paul	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: United States Patent and Trademark Office

For an interesting site... go to http://www.uspto.gov/index.html or http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html enter 2348616 and select 'Patent Number' Now back to posting my vacation pictures. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31799	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay

But be careful sniping...... In a rush the other day..... and shooting for around 2 seconds..... I entered an amount....... I don't remember the exact amount..... But the high bid was, say, 179.49..... I tried to snipe at 201.46...... only I entered 201,46.... look closely.... coma not period..... Up popped my max bid..... 2,014.60.... Ouch.... those 2 seconds seemed like an eternity cause someone could have thrown in a buy price of 500.00 to be sure of getting the item!!!..... Bid closed at something like 182.88.... so I was safe...... Boy could I have gotten stuck..... I did put a 100.00 bid on a 25.00 item because I needed it to complete a set........ another fellow put a 100 bid too..... mine was first...... Ouch!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Sniping on E-Bay > The Egghead auction site extended the auction (I think for an > additional 3 minutes) after a bid was made. The auctions often went > several hours after the original closing time. Can you imagine how > long an eBay auction would run if the time was extended 3 minutes > every time someone bid another dollar?!?!?!?! On Egghead there would > be little or no bids until the final minute, then people would bid it > up at the minimum bid increment hoping to drag it out and bore the > other bidders to death by waiting until the 3 minute timer had almost > expired. By the way - this worked so well that Egghead auctions went > out of business. > > And speaking of long auctions, why are eBay auctions 7 days long when > all of the action takes place during the last couple of minutes. > Maybe they should limit the auctions to 1 or 2 days. > > For better or worse - sniping is very common on eBay and I don't > think anyone can, or should, prevent it. Better the devil you know > than the devil you don't know! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31800	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: K line Hoppers

K line has come out with a line of hoppers #6012...... I just got a set of 7 and I am disappointed...... They look like "O" Hoppers with "HO" trucks on them..... way out of scale...... Way too wide..... thinking of trying to saw about 3/8" out of the center and gluing back..... anybody try this????? Also I got a flyer sellinf the Kline Allegheny's for 300.00... Another conversion? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31801	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office

can't get it to work..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <paul@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] United States Patent and Trademark Office > For an interesting site... > go to http://www.uspto.gov/index.html > > or > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html > > enter 2348616 and select 'Patent Number' > > Now back to posting my vacation pictures. > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31802	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office

I did what you said and nothing came up . Bob Persing Paul <paul@...> wrote:For an interesting site... go to http://www.uspto.gov/index.html or http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html enter 2348616 and select 'Patent Number' Now back to posting my vacation pictures. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31803	From: Paul	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: United States Patent and Trademark Office

Sorry about that, you also need to select the pre-1970 records. --- ROBERT PERSING <boblines51@...> wrote: > I did what you said and nothing came up . Bob > Persing > > Paul <paul@...> wrote:For an interesting > site... > go to http://www.uspto.gov/index.html > > or > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html > > enter 2348616 and select 'Patent Number' > > Now back to posting my vacation pictures. > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31804	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: eBay Sniping - delete if you are not interested

Dear Colleagues in S, Don't change a thing! If you get outbid at the last second, and you wish you had bid more to get the thing, remember the instructions from the eBay site. Bid the amount you are willing to pay. Then, if you get sniped it is because someone else wanted the thing more than you did and that is what an auction is all about. The only people who get disappointed by being sniped are those who are trying to sneak away with a low bid when they hope no one else is looking. The rules are clear. The plan is simple. The market is large and liquid. It is a pleasant way to buy and sell as long as we all represent the items fairly and completely. What does irritate me is when I am outbid on an item that is clearly in poor repair and the bidding goes to the level a good piece would bring. But, that too is part of the open market auction scene. I am a confirmed sniper. It seems to me that is the only hope I have of finding a bargain. It doesn't always work, but, if I am willing to pay $10 for something I have a much better chance if I bid that amount right near the end than if I bid it early. It also seems to me that when people have time to think, they will often decide to go back for one more bid. I try never to give them that chance. Sometimes I like to watch auctions as they near the end. I hit the refresh button every 10 to 30 seconds and watch the numbers climb (or maybe they don't) as folks succumb to the excitement. It is a lot more fun if I am selling than if I have the high bid with 10 minutes to go! Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31805	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping - delete if you are not interested

Bill, I see your point, as I bid on what I think the value of something should be plus 10 to 20% extra or more, as that is a total price I am willing to pay, as these are one of a kind. So a 500 dollar item, I would pay $600 for it. But to have someone come in and bid $800 to win, and get the item for $610 isn't fair bidding in my opinion. That is too big of a range to use to beat out someone on a bid. That person should be willing to pay $800 for the item, as that will end that routine. I will give you an example of a snipe gone wrong for someone on a different collectable and someday it could happen to you and all those who snipe: I was a Boy Scout at Goshen Scout camp in VA, the first year it opened in 1967. There is a set of patches, as they are collectables too, that I am missing a few pieces. This complete set of mint patches, go for about $14 on ebay when they show up by a same seller. I lost out on sets of these patches several times. So one time, I decided to play the snipe game, whch I don't do and bid $75 on a set, well above what they should go for, when the bid in the last minute was about $15. Well, I lost, to a bid of $76, as someone burn himself in the game of sniping and thankfully it wasn't me! And this person is committed to pay the seller $76 plus the shipping. The next week, I got the patches for $17 after they were on ebay again in mint from the same seller! And I will tell you I am sure this person who won those patches for $76 is jumping for joy at winning the item. But I am sure the seller loved me for doing that bid for the previous week. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31806	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/21/2004
Subject: AM items for Sale

Friends, I'll be attending the NASG Convention in Chicago next week and have these American Models engines available. 1 Empire State Express AC Hi Rail set (engine & 4 cars, chrome finish, track NOT included) NIB, Test run only 1 Erie Lackawanna U25B DC Hi Rail, NIB, test run only If interested, contact me off list and I will bring them to the Convention. - Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31807	From: geep39	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Poll results

Well, here we go again. The SD40-2 wins because Lionel promised it, and they cancelled it because of the heat from MTH. Wouldn't an SD-40 be a wiser choice? It's not that far from the SD40-2, and could be painted in many MORE "fallen flag" paint schemes than the SD40-2. By the way, many railroads rebuilt their SD-40's into SD40-2's (internally). Conrail comes to mind for one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31808	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pre war 1/64 3 Rail AF locos

Hey Chuck, There's also the Reading 4-4-2 Atlantic.... Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ALL of the prewar 3/16 inch scale 0 gauge steam locomotives were developed by the A. C. Gilbert company. That includes: 4-8-4 "Northern" (Which Gilbert NEVER referred to as a "Challenger.") 4-6-4 Hudson 4-6-2 K5 Pacific 4-6-2 "Royal Blue" P7sa Pacific 0-8-0 Switcher ...along with the locos you mentioned. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31809	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: TRAINS ON HISTORY CHANNEL

Trains are on the history channel now 10:00 PDT ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31810	From: Paul	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pictures from the WA shows

Here are the pictures from my visits to the two Washington State Train shows. NASG Regional - http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo84 NMRA National - http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo87 Please feel free to add (or correct) comments. I am still learning how to use this Cannon Rebel digital SLR. Thanks to all the hard workers that made these shows so much fun. Everyone was super friendly. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31811	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Pictures from the WA shows

Here are the pictures from my visits to the two Washington State Train shows. NASG Regional - http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo84 NMRA National - http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo87 Please feel free to add (or correct) comments. I am still learning how to use this Cannon Rebel digital SLR. Thanks to all the hard workers that made these shows so much fun. Everyone was super friendly. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31812	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Looking for Omnicon Pennsy L1

List: Looking for an Omnicon Pennsy L1 in scale and also same in hi rail. Any suggestions or sources? Have FOR SALE Omnicon NYC Mohawk L3A Model #1011 brass HI RAIL, painted. Sell for $900.00 (plus UPS & insurance) Low hours FOR SALE: American Models E-8 Santa Fe DC scale Bright Chrome, low run time, Sell for $190.00 (plus UPS & insurance) - Contact me off list. Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31813	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/22/2004
Subject: Old magazines

I was prowling through some old stuff this evening and ran across three items that becme of profound interest. 1.) "Your Introduction to S Gauge" - Don Heimburger, editor No date, but no doubt purchased in the late 1960's. In it is an article," S Gauge manufacturers abound", This lists about a page and a half of vendors with a breif description of their offerings. 2.) S Scale Catalog - on the index page it lists S Guage Herald Volume Nine No. 6 1968 Yearbook. It is full of kit suppliers. 3) S Gauge Herald, Volume Ten, No. 5 These last two items list Frank Titman as editor and Wallace E. J. Collins as publisher. I wonder how many of these businesses still exist today.Businesses such as Enhorning, G&W, S Scale Locomotive and Supply, Kinsman, Tomalco, Stewart, Northwest, Regal, Ace, Cleveland, Delaware Valley...? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31814	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/23/2004
Subject: Re: Pre war 1/64 3 Rail AF locos

Mike Vana wrote: >There's also the Reading 4-4-2 Atlantic.... You're right Mike. Since the Atlantic was mentioned in the post I responded to, I didn't mention it again. But James didn't mention the multi-piece Atlantic, so I should have included it. Every time I reconsider Gilbert's innovation in the American Flyer line after he acquired it in 1938, the plans made, the transition strategy, I'm more and more impressed by the sheer non-comformist audacity of it all. Talk about "thinking outside the box"...! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31815	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/23/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31816	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Mail Bags& Passengers

Hello from New Orleans! I've just received couple of AF passenger cars which have operating features. Where can one find replacement mailbags for the unloading mail car, and extra passengers for the operating loading commuter coach? Any suggestions for mail order replacements would be a big help. Thanks very much! b_way_ltd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31817	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial

Any Flyer operators/collectors interested in getting my repainted Circus Set with repro loads, repro Circus Cutouts, repro set box and individual boxes AND the Ringling Bros. whistling Billboard (original,VG condition) before I e-bay it? If you know Donn Lowe in Madison, CT, he can tell you about this set-I'm proud of the job I did on it-say, $750.00 would be a good offer- John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31818	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial

Any Flyer operators/collectors interested in getting my repainted Circus Set with repro loads, repro Circus Cutouts, repro set box and individual boxes AND the Ringling Bros. whistling Billboard (original,VG condition) before I e-bay it? If you know Donn Lowe in Madison, CT, he can tell you about this set-I'm proud of the job I did on it-say, $750.00 would be a good offer- John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31819	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Blatant commercial

Any Flyer operators/collectors interested in getting my repainted Circus Set with repro loads, repro Circus Cutouts, repro set box and individual boxes AND the Ringling Bros. whistling Billboard (original,VG condition) before I e-bay it? If you know Donn Lowe in Madison, CT, he can tell you about this set-I'm proud of the job I did on it-say, $750.00 would be a good offer- John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31820	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: For Sale

I have a 1/64 scale Winross 18 wheeler, (w/Ford tractor) " NAPA Filters", new in the box. To modern for my layout. $50.00 + postage. If some one is interested contact me off line grdobbs@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31821	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/24/2004
Subject: Nesquik Tanker Car

My local train store emailed me and my new AF Nesquik tanker car is in, I meant to stop by Sat. and pick it up,....but, didn't! I was out running around and forgot!! I had to get this one......I've been a Nestle Quik addict since my childhood!! I believe I have asked this before......is Lionel still using their "O" trucks on these newer AF items? I'll switch to SHS trucks ifn' I need to!!! BTW.....where is everyone??? The list has been quiet it seems!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31822	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] TTEX Long Runner TOFC cars

Dear Tom, What a great resource for those who model intermodal equipment. Don Tom Hawley wrote: >...TTX Company's Equipment Overview >http://www.ttx.com/equip/REVCON98.asp > >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31823	From: Lance McCold	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modelling Guide

Dick, The phone number is908-304-5545. I just renewed this morning. It keeps getting better with each issue. The current issue (V8 I5) is the best S-scale magazine currently in publication. Cancel your S-Gaugian and spend your money on a good magazine. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:58:52 -0400 > From: philpotridge@... >Subject: Phone nunber for S Model Guide > >Hi list >Does anyone have a subscription telephone number for S Model Guide.. > >Thanks for the info, > >Dick Bennett >E.Weymouth Mass.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31824	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: good prices

Looking for a source for the following; Lionel Nestle Quik tank car, Campbells Soup tank car, K-line Heinz pickle box, Heinz ketchup box. Need dealer or individual with good prices. Thanks. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31825	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Bags and Passengers

Hello from down here again! Port Hobbies has the parts I'm looking for plus some other things I've been needing. Thanks for the info!:-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31826	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31827	From: roy inman	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Help!!

Dear S-friends: Our Kansas City S-gauge group is in the process of re-tracking our modular layout. Because we have members who run everything from Flyer to scale, we are using the AM .148 flex track, which, if advertised correctly, runs darn near any type of equipment. Problem is, of course, that old bugaboo, turnouts. So, finally getting round to my question: does anyone know of an individual or company that makes turnouts in the #6-#10 range? Am makes the #5 of course, but we really need wider radius, closed frog turnouts. I have heard that AM will be offering a #7 sometime in the future, maybe next year. But we would really like to have things up and running before then. We are not opposed to building them ourselves, and we have several pretty good modelers capable of such a project, but we need templates and some construction tips would be helpful. Any advice, suggestions, comments appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31828	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/25/2004
Subject: Re: Help!!

I recommend BK moving frog turnouts like we used on our code 148 modules for the RASG. Haven't bought any recently so don't know present lead time. Expect to spend some time debugging during and after install but once that's completed they're pretty stable. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help!! > Dear S-friends: > Our Kansas City S-gauge group is in the process of re-tracking our modular > layout. > Because we have members who run everything from Flyer to scale, we are using > the AM .148 flex track, which, if advertised correctly, runs darn near any > type of equipment. > Problem is, of course, that old bugaboo, turnouts. > So, finally getting round to my question: does anyone know of an individual > or company that makes turnouts in the #6-#10 range? Am makes the #5 of > course, but we really need wider radius, closed frog turnouts. I have heard > that AM will be offering a #7 sometime in the future, maybe next year. But > we would really like to have things up and running before then. > We are not opposed to building them ourselves, and we have several pretty > good modelers capable of such a project, but we need templates and some > construction tips would be helpful. > Any advice, suggestions, comments appreciated. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31829	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: S/Sn3 Modelling Guide

What is the ratio of S to Sn3? I have seen it mentioned a lot, but is it really that much better than the S-Gaugian? May I ask why you think so? Do they have a website? gary On 7/25/04 9:47 AM, "Lance McCold" <lancemccold@...> wrote: > Dick, > > The phone number is908-304-5545. I just renewed this morning. > > It keeps getting better with each issue. The current issue (V8 I5) is the best > S-scale magazine currently in publication. Cancel your S-Gaugian and spend > your money on a good magazine. > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > >> Message: 22 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:58:52 -0400 >> From: philpotridge@... >> Subject: Phone nunber for S Model Guide >> >> Hi list >> Does anyone have a subscription telephone number for S Model Guide.. >> >> Thanks for the info, >> >> Dick Bennett >> E.Weymouth Mass. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31830	From: velapoldi	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Help!!

Hi Roy: I think BK is the only one at this time to offer closed frog switches in larger sizes (SHS currently has #3 available in their S-trax system, and a #5 is well along in the works). I purchased some BK in code 125, built the kits, and I still have some tinkering and debugging to do (as mentioned by Chuck Smith in an earlier e-mail). I have only run high rail trucks on them for now, but will try scale and AF in the near future. I am using various sectional and flex track (e.g., Miller tie strip with code 125 nickel silver rail, BK nickel silver code 125 closed frog switches, SHS S-trax, and AM track). Thus I have track from code 125 to code 148 - a bit of a mishmash - makes for interesting adjusting to good height matches, but those are what I had available from the early 1960's. Of course, I had some of the regular AF Gilbert track, but am not using that. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) roy inman wrote: >Dear S-friends: >Our Kansas City S-gauge group is in the process of re-tracking our modular >layout. >Because we have members who run everything from Flyer to scale, we are using >the AM .148 flex track, which, if advertised correctly, runs darn near any >type of equipment. >Problem is, of course, that old bugaboo, turnouts. >So, finally getting round to my question: does anyone know of an individual >or company that makes turnouts in the #6-#10 range? Am makes the #5 of >course, but we really need wider radius, closed frog turnouts. I have heard >that AM will be offering a #7 sometime in the future, maybe next year. But >we would really like to have things up and running before then. >We are not opposed to building them ourselves, and we have several pretty >good modelers capable of such a project, but we need templates and some >construction tips would be helpful. >Any advice, suggestions, comments appreciated. >Cheers :) >Roy Inman > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31831	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches

http://www.trainweb.org/ssg/extras/switches/index.switches.html There was also a turnout for sale at the NW regional. Howard's Trains had it on his table. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo84/IMG_0487 If you know the details on this one, please add them as comments. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31832	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: 20% Off Sale

Only a few days left - snooze ya loose! http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31833	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Question

Did someone like Omnicon import a brass 2-10-0 Decapod about 10 to 12 years ago? Wasn't it to be made by Samhongsa in Korea? Does anyone know the story on this? Is is still available? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31834	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Additional postwar and modern Flyer items available

Hi everyone! I picked up a small collection of postwar and modern Flyer last week and have listed the items for sale on my website, http://www.NicksTrains.com, under Newly listed. To go directly to the page, visit this link: http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/images/Orange/amerflyerorange.htm Some highlights include a Peabody hopper with legitimate knuckle couplers, 314AW and other steamers, and plenty of rolling stock. If you have interest or if you're considering selling your collection, please email me at Greg@.... Thanks! Greg TCA, LCCA, TTOS _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31835	From: roy inman	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMILL

Hi all; Just FYI, www.collectorschoice.com sells S-gauge rollerbases of very high quality for less than half what this ebay seller is asking. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Bill Lane <billlane@...> > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:06:42 -0400 > To: S Scale List <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMILL > > Interesting, but a little expensive. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5911617870&r > d=1 > > Thank You, > Bill Lane > > Custom Brass Painting > http://www.lanestrains.com > > Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 > http://www.pennsysmodels.com > Production models of the REA Version arriving July 1st > > Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 > > > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view > shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31836	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/26/2004
Subject: Re: CHUCK in ORLANDO

To bad this is the wrong scale....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=5911755431&r d=1 lost your address.... Sorry Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31837	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches

Here is a better link with more complete information. http://showcaseline.com/track/SwitchesFlex.html "S-Trax System Switches (turnouts) For Flex Track and Code 110 wheels For daily product status or to order by telephone call: 1-800-465-0303 Our new S scale switches come to you fully assembled, ready to be installed. They match our Flex Track when installed on 1/4" roadbed. Exclusively built for us by Custom Trax with our 155# (code 125) weathered rail and spiked to real wood ties. Switches are mounted on a 1/4" flexible cork roadbed that is fully ballasted with Woodland Scenics B81 grey medium ballast. Note: American Flyer-compatible (Hi-rail) wheels are too thick to operate on these switches. They are intended for code 110 wheels gauged to NASG S-4 standards." --- h2466@... wrote: > Hello Paul and Listmembers, What code are the > Howard's Trains turnout? Are > they available now? Will they have them this week at > the convention to look > at? If not, will anyone have any Whiteoaks there for > sale? I'll see you > there Friday, Ken. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> > To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:28 PM > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed > Frog S-Trax Switches > > > > > http://www.trainweb.org/ssg/extras/switches/index.switches.html > > > > There was also a turnout for sale at the NW > regional. > > Howard's Trains had it on his table. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo84/IMG_0487 > > > > If you know the details on this one, please add > them > > as comments. > > > > > > > > ===== > > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > > Photography - Computers - Trains > > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > > > > > Change your membership, change your message > settings, use our CALENDAR, > view shared files or photos, view the list archives, > GO TO > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Scale-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31838	From: velapoldi	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches

Hi all: I think we are getting two products confused. SHS has worked and produced switches for scale wheels and these have open frogs and are built for use by code 110 wheels as per the NASG standards. These are listed at the SHS website under their flex track and I think they are #6 and #8 switches. Their other switches, made for the S-trax system and listed under their sectional track, were originally not closed frog switches (I think). SHS then went to the trouble to modify these #3 switches to produce closed frog switches that could handle scale, hi-rail, and AC Gilbert wheels. I think these #3 switches are essentially replacements for the AC Gilbert (American Flyer) original switches, being very close or almost exactly the same size as the AF switches. SHS (I think, and I hope Don will write the definitive information here about the switches they offer!!) has in the design stage, #5 closed frog switches for which I am eagerly awaiting production. These, like their #3 counterparts just discussed, should handle the different wheel sets, while their switches discussed below by Paul are for code 110 scale wheels only. The #3 and #5 closed frog switches mentioned above will have their usual main-line 155# rail . In any case, the #3 and #5 S-trax sectional track switches are supposed to handle all three types of wheelsets that we encounter. Don, please verify or give the real data for the two different types of switches. I think you mentioned some of this info in the past, but there appears to be some uncertainty as to the identification and use of the different switches you produce (and I might even be a little confused at this point). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Paul Yorke wrote: >Here is a better link with more complete information. >http://showcaseline.com/track/SwitchesFlex.html >"S-Trax System Switches (turnouts) >For Flex Track and Code 110 wheels >For daily product status or to order by telephone >call: 1-800-465-0303 > >Our new S scale switches come to you fully assembled, >ready to be installed. They match our Flex Track when >installed on 1/4" roadbed. Exclusively built for us by >Custom Trax with our 155# (code 125) weathered rail >and spiked to real wood ties. Switches are mounted on >a 1/4" flexible cork roadbed that is fully ballasted >with Woodland Scenics B81 grey medium ballast. >Note: American Flyer-compatible (Hi-rail) wheels are >too thick to operate on these switches. They are >intended for code 110 wheels gauged to NASG S-4 >standards." > >--- h2466@... wrote: > > >>Hello Paul and Listmembers, What code are the >>Howard's Trains turnout? Are >>they available now? Will they have them this week at >>the convention to look >>at? If not, will anyone have any Whiteoaks there for >>sale? I'll see you >>there Friday, Ken. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> >>To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> >>Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:28 PM >>Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed >>Frog S-Trax Switches >> >> >> >> >http://www.trainweb.org/ssg/extras/switches/index.switches.html > > >>>There was also a turnout for sale at the NW >>> >>> >>regional. >> >> >>>Howard's Trains had it on his table. >>>http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo84/IMG_0487 >>> >>>If you know the details on this one, please add >>> >>> >>them >> >> >>>as comments. >>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31839	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Custom-Built, Closed Frog S-Trax Switches

Hi Rance, Don is on the road to the NASG convention, won't be back until Monday. I talked to him last Sunday as I was doing the web pages for the switches, and he gave me a pretty complete update. Your statements about the S-Trax switches are essentially correct. The current #3 switches for sectional track have a "movable point frog". This has the same effect as a closed frog, ie it will accept different flange widths, yet looks like an open frog switch. I don't have a picture of it on the website, but there is a picture on page 47 of the 2004 catalog. I'll try to scan it and post it on the showcaseline.com website today. One issue to keep in mind is that although the switch has no problem with code 110 wheels, a number 3 switch is a pretty sharp turn. So if you run body mounted Kadees on long cars you can have some problems because of the length of the car. This is not an issue with the design of the frog, only with the tightness of the turn. The number 5 switches should be much better, as they are a more gradual turn. I believe they are after the steam engine in the queue, so we will have to wait a bit for them. By the way, there are two navigation options on the showcaseline.com website. One is a really nice expandable tree, the other just a static list. We have both because a couple of years ago lots of people didn't have the capability to view the tree in their browser. I'd appreciate it if everyone would check out the website, and let me know if you can use the tree or if I need to keep updating the static list. If you are willing to do that, please reply to me direct, not to the s-trains list. I'm at billclark42@.... The website is at www.showcaseline.com Thanks! Bill At 02:27 PM 7/27/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all: >I think we are getting two products confused. SHS has worked and >produced switches for scale wheels and these have open frogs and are >built for use by code 110 wheels as per the NASG standards. These are >listed at the SHS website under their flex track and I think they are #6 >and #8 switches. > >Their other switches, made for the S-trax system and listed under their >sectional track, were originally not closed frog switches (I think). >SHS then went to the trouble to modify these #3 switches to produce >closed frog switches that could handle scale, hi-rail, and AC Gilbert >wheels. I think these #3 switches are essentially replacements for the >AC Gilbert (American Flyer) original switches, being very close or >almost exactly the same size as the AF switches. SHS (I think, and I >hope Don will write the definitive information here about the switches >they offer!!) has in the design stage, #5 closed frog switches for >which I am eagerly awaiting production. These, like their #3 >counterparts just discussed, should handle the different wheel sets, >while their switches discussed below by Paul are for code 110 scale >wheels only. The #3 and #5 closed frog switches mentioned above will >have their usual main-line 155# rail . In any case, the #3 and #5 >S-trax sectional track switches are supposed to handle all three types >of wheelsets that we encounter. > >Don, please verify or give the real data for the two different types of >switches. I think you mentioned some of this info in the past, but >there appears to be some uncertainty as to the identification and use of >the different switches you produce (and I might even be a little >confused at this point). thanks >Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31840	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Fixed Link To Walls

Hi again, We fixed the link to the new S-scale wall castings. Also a totaly new changed page. Here is the working one. Still working on the Loading Dock kit for Alley 1. Should be done soon. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/alleywalls.htm Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31841	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: dollar tree stuff

hi,was at the dollar tree s tore today and they have there xmas village stuff out now,lots of trees and street lights that go good with american flyer stuff, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31842	From: roy inman	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Turnouts

Many thanks to all who responded to my request for any information on finding/making code .148 closed frog turnouts, #6 or wider. Just one more example of what a great resource the S-scale and S-trains lists are!!! Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31843	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Upcoming trip

In August my wife & I are going to the "World's Longest Yard Sale" which follows highway 127 from Covington, KY., to Gadsden, AL. It covers 450 miles. Are there any hobby shops in this area which carry A.F., or any can't miss railroad stuff? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31844	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: Re: dollar tree stuff

***(((hi,was at the dollar tree s tore today and they have there xmas village stuff out now,lots of trees and street lights that go good with american flyer stuff,)))*** Man.....seems REALLY early!!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31845	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2004
Subject: still downsizing

Few more items for sale: Defender set w/ jeep carrier, USM box, rocket launcher, searchlight car and caboose. Searchlight has two broken steps and PM couplers, caboose has some paint chips. Runs great. $950.00 OBO Contact me off list. Ed in Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31846	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: EBAY NOMA Talking Station

Hi, I put a NOMA Talking Station up for auction on Ebay. See Ebay item # 5911200495 . I got it at a flea market. I never saw one before. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Thanks Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31847	From: Bill Lange	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Custom Closed Frog S-Trax Turnouts

Has anyone tried ordering a custom Fast Tracks assembly fixture from www.handlaidtrack.com <http://www.handlaidtrack.com/> ? I know they offer scale fixtures using S-Helper code 125 rail. I'm not sure what the dimension changes would be to accommodate hi-rail, but I would sure like to get my hands on something by the fall for a new layout. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31848	From: theheadliner	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMI

If there are any S-gauge rollerbases at the website in this letter I would like to know where. --- On Mon 07/26, roy inman < rinphoto@... > wrote: From: roy inman [mailto: rinphoto@...] To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:53:27 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / TREADMILL _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31849	From: roy inman	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBE

Go to: www.collectorschoicetrains.com/Roller%20Test%20unit.htm If starting from www.collectorschoicetrains.com, when you open the home page, click on the "Roller Test Unit New" in the top left hand corner, and it will take you to the roller test unit page. There are a number of examples shown. When you get to the page, scroll down to the next to last photo. It will show an AF 4-8-4 Northern on one of the S roller bases. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: theheadliner <theheadliner@...> > Reply-To: theheadliner@... > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:47:59 -0400 (EDT) > To: rinphoto@..., S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED > / TREADMILL > > > > > If there are any S-gauge rollerbases at the website in this letter I would > like to know where. > > > > > > > > --- On Mon 07/26, roy inman < rinphoto@... > wrote: > > From: roy inman [mailto: rinphoto@...] > > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:53:27 -0500 > > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale Modeling] S GAUGE AMERICAN FLYER TESTBED / > TREADMILL > > > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31850	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/28/2004
Subject: Re: Custom Closed Frog S-Trax Turnouts

I've been using the fixtures to build code 110 switches using SHS code 125 rail. They work well, and turn out good switches. You could build the switches for hi-rail, but you would only use the fixture for about half the job. Of course, since they are open frog, they cannot be made to accept both flange sizes at the same time. I've also built closed frog switches using the method documented by Tom Robichauld. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html You build in place on your layout, and its not much more work than using the fixture for open frog switches. If you look at the instructions from handlaidtrack.com, and compare them to Tommy's document, you'll see what I mean. At 10:01 PM 7/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone tried ordering a custom Fast Tracks assembly fixture from >www.handlaidtrack.com <http://www.handlaidtrack.com/> ? I know they offer >scale fixtures using S-Helper code 125 rail. I'm not sure what the dimension >changes would be to accommodate hi-rail, but I would sure like to get my >hands on something by the fall for a new layout. > > > >Bill Lange > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31851	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: wooden roadbed

Does anyone remember the wooden roadbed that had milled ties and you spiked rail in the pre-gauged slots? I also had it for HO. Who sells bundles of rail now? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31852	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: wooden roadbed

Try Bill's Train Shop @ http://www.btsrr.com/ for Micro Engineering rail. The wooden milled roadbed you recall was TruScale. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] wooden roadbed > Does anyone remember the wooden roadbed that had milled ties and you > spiked rail in the pre-gauged slots? I also had it for HO. Who > sells bundles of rail now? > Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31853	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals

838 MKT heavy duty flat 9-68 http://mopac1.tripod.com/838.gif 839 MKT PS 4427 cuft high side covered hopper 5-68 http://mopac1.tripod.com/839.gif 840 MP cabooses 1977+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/840.gif 841 MP truck lines cargo van 1960+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/841.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31854	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: wooden roadbed

SHS sells bundles of code 125 rail: http://www.showcaseline.com look under products/track/flex/track 36" 155# Rail bundle (code 125) 33 pieces/pkg $69.95 At 01:26 PM 7/29/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone remember the wooden roadbed that had milled ties and you >spiked rail in the pre-gauged slots? I also had it for HO. Who >sells bundles of rail now? >Dwight > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31855	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: wooden roadbed

I think I have a photo of an old pair of Bob Peare S gauge switches with milled wooden roadbed, posted in Paul Yorke's album on switches. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31856	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: people

Hi I think I bought 100 sitting figures for $25 from MMT. The race car pit crew scenes have about 10 figures and you can find close out for $5. Best Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31857	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: No. 7 Turnouts - When are they due ?

I wonder if anyone has inquired recently of Ron Bashista when we can expect the new larger radius turnouts that he announced a year or two ago? I believe that they were to be number 7 turnouts. I inquired via email late last year and he indicated we could expect them sometime in 2004. Maybe someone can inquire at the convention and give a report back to the Yahoo group. - Earl Henry, Jr. Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31858	From: race944t	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: St Louis happenings??????

Does anyone know of any train shows, train events, train ANYTHING happening in St. Louis within the next 60 days. I have to go and may as well have some fun on the trip. Thanks, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31859	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: NIAGRIA FALLS, N Y

Roming again..... will be around the falls, Buffalo, St Catherine's, Hamilton tue the 24th of Aug to fri am the 27..... any good shops???? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31860	From: firex43	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: 21140 Tender Steps

Hello, I am in need of a right rear tender step for a 21140 locomotive. Anyone with info regarding original or repro parts please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31861	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: STOLEN TRAINS

guys-i was ripped off by my ex, despite court orders to maintain the integrity and condiyion of my possessions. While retrieving items approved by her and her att'y, she failed to deliver the Circus set. The set has a Doug Peck set box, incorrect red and white repro rolling stock boxes,and repro (also Peck's) dry transfer lettering, repro Circus cutouts, Emmett Kelly (original) whistling billboard, and repro loads. Anyone finding this set is strongly advised to contact the Vermont State , Derby barracks, at 802-334-8891.Also, all the items are identified with TCA repaint stickers on their bottoms. I caan be reached at 802-988-4477. Keep an eye peeled-especially on e-Bay, and PLEASE help me out.Thanks, brothers, and have a good hunt-greatfully yours, John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31862	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: STOLEN TRAINS

guys-i was ripped off by my ex, despite court orders to maintain the integrity and condiyion of my possessions. While retrieving items approved by her and her att'y, she failed to deliver the Circus set. The set has a Doug Peck set box, incorrect red and white repro rolling stock boxes,and repro (also Peck's) dry transfer lettering, repro Circus cutouts, Emmett Kelly (original) whistling billboard, and repro loads. Anyone finding this set is strongly advised to contact the Vermont State , Derby barracks, at 802-334-8891.Also, all the items are identified with TCA repaint stickers on their bottoms. I caan be reached at 802-988-4477. Keep an eye peeled-especially on e-Bay, and PLEASE help me out.Thanks, brothers, and have a good hunt-greatfully yours, John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31863	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: STOLEN TRAINS

John....Wish you the best.... been there.... done that 2.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "john isn't eddie anymore" <druvnik@...> To: "S-Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA group" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] STOLEN TRAINS > guys-i was ripped off by my ex, despite court orders to maintain the integrity and condiyion of my possessions. While retrieving items approved by her and her att'y, she failed to deliver the Circus set. The set has a Doug Peck set box, incorrect red and white repro rolling stock boxes,and repro (also Peck's) dry transfer lettering, repro Circus cutouts, Emmett Kelly (original) whistling billboard, and repro loads. Anyone finding this set is strongly advised to contact the Vermont State , Derby barracks, at 802-334-8891.Also, all the items are identified with TCA repaint stickers on their bottoms. I caan be reached at 802-988-4477. Keep an eye peeled-especially on e-Bay, and PLEASE help me out.Thanks, brothers, and have a good hunt-greatfully yours, John Marganski > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31864	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 1, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31865	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: UPDATE-STOLEN CIRCUS SET

Here are the places I've eliminated-N.E. VT antique shops. Plattsburgh,NY, may be a strong possibility, as would Burlington, VT. There is also a HUGE antique mark in Mass., I don't know the town, but Doug or someone may. Buy the set, get a receipt from the vendor, then contact the VT State Police Barracks at Derby Or the Orleans Sherriff's office, New port, VT-open mon-fri, 8 AM to 5 pm). Thanks, Brothers, maybe if we pull together we'll get this resolved-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31866	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Rubber roadbed questions

I have rubber roadbed that is gray, can I paint it black to match the ones I already have? Also, can someone provide me with a list where I can find rubber roabed? I'm looking for the 10 inch straights, and don't have a lot of money since I retired. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31867	From: jackotrains	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005

Just got a fast look at the new Lionel Catalog that should be available next week at your dealer. There is a 2004 Christmas Boxcar, Naughty & Nice Hopper (2 Pk),a Pluto Boxcar, a Winnie the Pooh Boxcar, a B & O Dockside Switcher, a Santa Fe Dockside Switcher, a Santa Fe B Unit, a Santa Fe Passenger Car 2 pk., a Nestle Nesquik Flat Car w/ Milk Containers and a Hoods Flatcar w/ Milk Containers. The catalog price on the Docksiders are $89.95. Looks good for American Flyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31868	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Rubber roadbed questions

Hi, I used a product called "SNAP" Tire Black on my black and grey rubber roadbed. It's not a paint, but rather a stain which is a petroleum distilate consisting mostly of lamp black and turpentine. It gives the roadbed a like new look and the roadbed is still plyable without any cracking. The Tire Black soaks into the rubber rather than coat it. It worked well on both the grey and the black roadbed. You can't tell which ones were grey after the process. The Tire Black is a very thin liquid. I applied it using a half inch artists brush covering the roadbed with very liberal amounts of the stain. I then just laid the pieces out in the sun and they were dry in about an hour. I only did the tops, sides, and ends of each piece. I thoroughly cleaned each piece before staining with a scrub brush and Ivory Liquid and hot water. As far as availability, E-BAY is probably your best source for finding roadbed at a reasonable price. I bought all of mine there and my entire layout is AF track with black wide tie roadbed. I have quite a bit of the narrow tie roadbed available. I wasn't satisfied with the look of the narrow ties with the AF track. If anyone wants it, let me know and I'll make a list of what I have, etc. Good Luck! Dane C. LaBarr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31869	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005

And in addition.... the new Mikado has been upgraded to Railsounds 5.0 and a wireless tether. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 7/31/2004 6:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joppdp@... writes: Just got a fast look at the new Lionel Catalog that should be available next week at your dealer. There is a 2004 Christmas Boxcar, Naughty & Nice Hopper (2 Pk),a Pluto Boxcar, a Winnie the Pooh Boxcar, a B & O Dockside Switcher, a Santa Fe Dockside Switcher, a Santa Fe B Unit, a Santa Fe Passenger Car 2 pk., a Nestle Nesquik Flat Car w/ Milk Containers and a Hoods Flatcar w/ Milk Containers. The catalog price on the Docksiders are $89.95. Looks good for American Flyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31870	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005

DOCKSIDER............ WHERE DO I ORDER FOR THE BEST PRICE..... SEND ME YOUR PRICES..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF New fpr 2004-2005 > Just got a fast look at the new Lionel Catalog that should be > available next week at your dealer. There is a 2004 Christmas > Boxcar, Naughty & Nice Hopper (2 Pk),a Pluto Boxcar, a Winnie the > Pooh Boxcar, a B & O Dockside Switcher, a Santa Fe Dockside > Switcher, a Santa Fe B Unit, a Santa Fe Passenger Car 2 pk., a > Nestle Nesquik Flat Car w/ Milk Containers and a Hoods Flatcar w/ > Milk Containers. The catalog price on the Docksiders are $89.95. > Looks good for American Flyer > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: 1929 Ford Model A Police Car....on the silly side.....

OK...this car isn't for EVERYONE......but, for $3.00... I couldn't pass it up. Made by "Muscle Machines".....not really to scale, and they are more of a FUNNY hot rod!! They have a Police series out now..... -'57 Plymouth -'29 Ford Model A -40 Ford Delivery -41 Willys -50 Ford Woody -'57 Chevy http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo46/1929_Model_A_Ford_Police Hit the forward arrows to see more photos. Rick "Call me silly" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31872	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/31/2004
Subject: Roy's Surgery

Hi, This is Peg, Roy's wife. He successfully came through quadruple bi- pass surgery on Wednesday. His recovery has been terrific. In fact he has been removed from all peripherial devices and is anxiously awaiting the ok to come home. Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31873	From: mijoda52@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: banking

I would like to bank the turns in my new s gauge layout. Can anybody tell me how much they should be banked? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31874	From: vickiec40403	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: Diesel Armature

Hi, Does anyone have a used deisel armature one thet would work in my comet.If so please send price with shipping to zip 40403. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31875	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: There's no place like home!

I arrived at the house a few hours ago and have begun the road back. When a life-threating situation comes up, it sort of puts trains on a lower level in ones life, but this experience has really shown me all the terrific people we have in S. Peg received lots of wonderful replies to her emails and appreciates them deeply as well as myself. Sometimes it gets rough as NASG pres, but I think the last year will go a lot better when I think of all the friends I've made. I hope you had a good convention and look forward to reading the "reports". Some of you wondered about when the problem occured. I found out about the surgery needed the week before the convention. Best regards, Peg & Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31876	From: trainman634	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: K-Line S - Gauge Freight Car Trucks

I understand that K-Line is going to produce S-Gauge freight car trucks for separate sale. Did K-Line ship the S-Gauge freight car trucks yet? Does anyone know where I could buy them?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31877	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 1, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31878	From: thortrains1@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: S Paper Kits

Just posted are some very small paper house kits that can be used with S trains. Houses were designed for wargaming with 25 to 40mm figures. These houses have a very small footprint - 3" by 5" - and can be used to fill spacer, as background, or as cheap scenery http://www.thortrains.net/download25.html Just download unzip and print - buildings are in PDF format. Enjoy Thor PS - for those who don't know, we have S layouts and other resources on our main site http://www.thortrains.net/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31879	From: jt12313	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: New Flyonel selections

Gee, why can't they make something simple like a Santa Fe gondola... As it is, it looks like I am going to buy a few thing from the new Lionel catalog. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31880	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/1/2004
Subject: trade or trade

In most cases Good Morning, Came across a few things, thought might be able to find a new home for them, shoot most folks would just trash them!! First items are holding up the quality level of the whole mess....2 Dynamic Brake and winterization hatch pods from ICG 8001's painted white. Next a black LNE 632 hopper, no trucks, no steps, lettering good, no red dot, sides curve in a little, ok a lot, but then they curve out again, but only to be followed by curving in again....ok this car has to hold on to lay on the floor....would make a good flat car load showing wreck damage. A damaged PA shell, nose has been cut off....been torched and bent in the area of the side door way, the back end from the start of the radiator backwards is in near mint condition. A PB shell in splendid silver paint, carefully painted with a half inch brush, some one felt the fan should be removed, but a new fan grid is back in the proper place...with a dip in some black paint this unit could be back out there pulling tonnage in no time.... A 642 reefer shell, not too bad, a dime size chunk missing from the lower edge, will provide a reefer side to provide the new chunk..... A NP either 647 or 947 shell, no doors, no floor....lettering poor 3 947 NP reefers operator quality, one needs truck repair and missing brake wheel, one has a truck repair and has brake wheel, one missing brake wheel..... 10 or so IC reefers all numbers, some new in box, the only 623 is a shell only, along with two other IC shells...will provide exact numbers if interest is expressed. 4 shells from 650 passenger cars, 2 obs, one combine, one pullman...very poor, ok rough as a cobb.....or more so, beat to thunder Trades we each pay shipping Reefer sales you pay shipping.. Interested in two or three bay hopper shells, damaged PA or PB shells (other than listed above) also GP shells or frames and parts gale hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31881	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Trade update

Good Morning list, After a rapid fire trading session, the PA PB and the passenger bodies are spoken for.... Ya know: Snooze, you 're probably getting more sleep than some of us! gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31882	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: banking

There is no set formula that I know of for banking Flyer curves. I set up layouts with Flyer track and roadbed. Then, I slip shims of shirt cardboard under the outer rail side of curves and switches whereever trains jump the track. Each different individual loco will tend to have a pet place or two where it derails. The shims usually stop the derailments. I call this "tuning" the track. I often end up with the outer rail side of most switches and some curves slightly raised. Curves on Flyer trestles often end up superelevated as well. Hope you take something useful from this. I would be curious as to how users of the more modern S track types solve this problem. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31883	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: There's no place like home!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@i...> wrote: > I arrived at the house a few hours ago and have begun the road back. >> Peg & Roy Roy, Get Well Fast. I have gone through the exact same thing about four years ago so I know what its like. I wish you a SPEEDY recovery,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31884	From: Chris	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Burlington Zephyr???????

My son and I are in search of a Burlington Zephyr engine set. Does anyone know of any such set or even just the engine? If so who makes it and maybe an aprox cost? Thank You, all info would be most appreciative! Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31885	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: banking

My layout is about 8' x 25' with no banked turns. I have no particular problems, and never felt the need to super elevate. In fact, 6 and 8 drivered engines have a problem entering and exiting super elevated sections because one corner driver has to be off the rail. Twist a section of track to simulate entry to a super elevated section and then place the loco on the section. You'll see it. Ever since I discovered this I keep all grade changes within a straight section of track. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] banking > There is no set formula that I know of for banking Flyer curves. > > I set up layouts with Flyer track and roadbed. Then, I slip shims of shirt > cardboard under the outer rail side of curves and switches whereever trains > jump the track. Each different individual loco will tend to have a pet > place or two where it derails. The shims usually stop the derailments. > I call this "tuning" the track. > > I often end up with the outer rail side of most switches and some curves > slightly raised. Curves on Flyer trestles often end up superelevated as > well. > > Hope you take something useful from this. I would be curious as to how > users of the more modern S track types solve this problem. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31886	From: jt12313	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?

I surfed the Lionel site today and in the description there was a note regarding the double A SF Alcos from 1997, i.e., "these are a good addition to" or something like that. From what I gather, not too many of those sets sold in 1997, perhaps I am wrong but why produce units for something that few wanted. I was in grad school at the time and spending all of my spare change on tuition so I didn't buy at the time but... Marketing gurus amaze me. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31887	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Burlington Zephyr -- the good and bad news

The good news is River Raisin Models is producing a Burlington Zephyr in both the original set (loco and 2 cars) and the later model (loco and 3 cars). I saw Jim Kindraka of RRM at the NASG Convention Saturday in Chicago and he said they had enough orders to begin production soon. Being from Chicago (and having seen the restored original at the Museum of Science and Industry here many times), I had to have one for my layout. I gave them a deposit for the 4-car set last year at S-Fest in St. Louis. It is a brass model and the other part of the good/bad news is it will cost $1999 to $2199 depending on whether you want 3 or 4 cars. You can see it at: http://www.riverraisinmodels.com/ Phil K __________________________________________________________________ >>My son and I are in search of a Burlington Zephyr engine set. Does anyone know of any such set or even just the engine? If so who makes it and maybe an aprox cost? Thank You, all info would be most appreciative! Chris<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31888	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?

Jeff, Thank Goodness that Lionel is building the B unit and the double passenger cars. I got back into my childhood hobby in the mid nineties and I was fortunate enough to have the change to buy the SF set. I have been sending notes to Lionel for years to ask them to produce the B unit and have been tempted to modify an old B unit to work with the new A's. If not too many sets had sold then I would presume that one would see a lot of them on Ebay. I haven't and I presume that they are rare like the NYC set which now is up at the big buckola level. On the other hand you might be right and the SF sets are sitting in some hobby shop basement shelve someplace awaiting someone to find them during a business trip. Which means that Lionel will cancel them like they did the cattle yard, but I hope not. I also fortunately got the NYC set and have added to it two b units plus the baggage and additional two cars. If these SF cars do come through then all I can complain about now is the lack of a baggage car for the SF set. Bottom line is that I think that Lionel knows what there doing (except for moving production to China which over the long term will hurt them). Regards, Joe Haughney -----Original Message----- From: jt12313 [mailto:jt12313@...] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:00 PM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why? I surfed the Lionel site today and in the description there was a note regarding the double A SF Alcos from 1997, i.e., "these are a good addition to" or something like that. From what I gather, not too many of those sets sold in 1997, perhaps I am wrong but why produce units for something that few wanted. I was in grad school at the time and spending all of my spare change on tuition so I didn't buy at the time but... Marketing gurus amaze me. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31889	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?

Hello Joe, I too had a letter writing campaign with Lionel about a B unit and a combine car to turn my Santa Fe into what I can consider a complete set. When the NYC set was released and discussed on this list, I submitted that although it was a good looking paint scheme I would pass as I felt hung out to dry on my incomplete Santa Fe set and didn't want to take the chance of being burned again. I also stated that I would dabble with future purchases of accessories or freight cars but stay away from sets. I had previously purchased the S.P. U.P. and M.P. sets and they had all received B units and extra cars. The S.P. even got two B units one without and one with Railsounds. I also planned to make my own B unit and was going to get a W.P. Railsounds version to redo. Wrote Lionel again to see if decals or dry transfers were available from their A units to match and was told no. Checked the Lionel site today after reading this list and lo and behold there they are and if you check, one of the two passenger cars is a baggage car. To me this is a bigger deal than the Mikado. Hopefully they will be released and after seven years I will have completed my favorite train. In the words of Martha Stewart "And that's a good thing!"............. Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31890	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyonel SF passenger cars & B unit...Why?

Of course, no one really knows how many of the Santa Fe sets were produced in 1997. I believe the locos and the cars were offered separately, since they were not boxed together like most of the other passenger sets of the 1990s. While the guides have them priced relatively low (about $550 for the two locos and 4 passenger cars), very few of these sets come up for sale -- maybe three or four in the last two years on eBay, and they all were pre-run (LN or E+). Most LN sell for more than $600 today -- if you can find them. A new set sold on ebay for $825 about three years ago. Like Joe so eloquently offered, now we'll not have to slap something together on our own to run them with sound. I have already swapped shells to get a Silver Flash B unit with sound. Maybe they plan to re-issue the set someday. Who knows? Phil K ________________________________________________________________ > I surfed the Lionel site today and in the description there was a note regarding the double A SF Alcos from 1997, i.e., "these are a good addition to" or something like that. > > From what I gather, not too many of those sets sold in 1997, perhaps I am wrong but why produce units for something that few wanted. I was in grad school at the time and spending all of my spare change on tuition so I didn't buy at the time but... > > Marketing gurus amaze me. > > Jeff > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31891	From: waldootten	Date: 8/2/2004
Subject: So much for customer service

The owner of American Models was at the recent NASG Convention in Chicago. In the past three years, I have purchased new 16 of his locomotives, six of his complete sets, 50+ pieces of rolling stock, 700 feet of track, 50 turnouts and 10 crossovers. So I shall consider myself a pretty good customer. Since he was there, I mentioned to him I filled out the question form on his website ("We Want To Hear From You!") about six months ago asking why my new S12's front trucks kept derailing at the frog on on of his turnouts. When sent, the message said I should expect a reply in 36 hours. I never got one. Finally got the answer HERE at S-Trains. So at the show, I asked him about not getting a reply to my question. I said, "Don't you ever answer those questions you solicit on your website?" He growled "Hey, I get 50 e-mails a day." So what, Ron? What was I that day, No. 51? Then don't advertise you want to hear from customers if you are too busy to answer. Or hire someone to do it that is of a much more pleasant disposition. I also had another problem with him in the past. I bought a NIB GP-9 from a very reputable American Models dealer and when I opened the box, the spline of little plastic handrails was missing. I called AM, but ended up having to buy from him what should have been in the box. I guess I paid for them twice. I mentioned this at the show, too. "How do I know the dealer didn't take them out?," he said. "I can't be responsible for that stuff." Ron, I have spent about $14,000 in the last three years on your American Models trains and trackage. If I owned your company, I'd give the crappy little plastic handrails to a good customer instead of charging $10 and making a such big deal out of it -- like trying to say someone is lying. I now think I have enough American Models stuff, and will now start adding to my SHS collection, which is about the same size. The owner of S-Helper, Don Thompson, and Mike and Robin, were at the NASG Convention, too, eager to meet people and doing the best they could to be a good ambassador for their products. Live and learn, I guess. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31892	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: MRN Request

If you folks read the last "S Curves" column in Model Railroad News, you'd have noted that I intended to cover the NASG Convention and mention any new S products. However due to my medical emergency, I couldn't make it to the convention. I have the following request. Could anyone who was at Chicage email me with a short writeup about the convention and in particular the products shown there. I would be glad to mention you in the column unless you don't want to be. Also, any good digital photos taken would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31893	From: roy inman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] So much for customer service

Phil, et al; I am continually amazed at the fact that some business people do not understand that service is the name of the game, especially in today's market. Being a self-employed freelance photographer, I know that if I do not bend over backwards to help my clients, someone else will. I seem to remember from a seminar I took once, that the "average" person can call 250 people by first name. Doctors, salespeople, freelancers, etc., may know many more. So one negative interaction between seller and buyer does not necessarily stay between just those two. Multiply it by perhaps hundreds, like the folks on this list for example. Your post recalled a telephone conversation I had with Ron not long after I started in S gauge. I was a real newbie, and knew no local S gaugers, no hobby shops carried S, and I was not internet connected back then. So I called Ron and asked if I could get a catalog of AM equipment. His reply was, "Are you gonna buy somthin?" I said, perhaps, if I knew what it was he had to sell. I got the distinct impression I was annoying him. Don, at SHS, on the other hand, practically jumped through the phone to get my mailing address so he could send me their current catalog. There are a number of places in today's S market where we can spend our hard-earned dollars. Generally speaking, if I have a choice, I like to do business with folks who are at least cordial, and who don't act as though they are doing me a favor for spending my money with them. Many large corporations provide "sensitivity training," and "group dynamics" sessions to help people with rude, abrasive attitudes recognize their counter-productive behavior. It may take months, even years, for that sort of help to have effect, because folks caught in that behavior cycle really, truly don't have any idea that their actions and words effect the way people react to them. Consequently, they think that others are just being rude with them, not the other way around. My guess is that if Ron changed his attitude toward the all-important customer, his sales would increase at least 10%. We know not what trauma, difficult times or tough childhood Ron has endured. But from a seller-buyer interaction point of view, it makes no difference. What we see is what we get. All I wanted was the opportunity to consider the purchase of thousands of dollars worth of toy trains from the man, and all he had to do was provide the information necessary for me to do so. I had neither the inclination, interest, nor the time to delve into his personal background to try and understand why he was so gruff, thereby to indulge in a little empathy with his situation. Besides, it is none of my business anyway. Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman ---------- > From: waldootten <waldootten@...> > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:13:37 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] So much for customer service > > The owner of American Models was at the recent NASG Convention in > Chicago. In the past three years, I have purchased new 16 of his > locomotives, six of his complete sets, 50+ pieces of rolling stock, > 700 feet of track, 50 turnouts and 10 crossovers. So I shall > consider myself a pretty good customer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31894	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: Stolen Trains recovered!!!!

Thanks to hitting dozens on antique shpos in VT,NH and NY, my Flyer Circus set wound up at the Sherriff's office-except the Emmett Kelly Ringling Bros. Billboard was missing. Small price to pay for the recovery of my set. Thank you all for your advice and consolations! We are truly a band of brothers-and a growing number of sisters, too! -thank and bless you all - John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31895	From: roy inman	Date: 8/3/2004
Subject: CGW cars

Hi all :) A couple of years ago (maybe more, memory dims) there were limited-run Chicago Great Western cars offered during an S-Fest or NASG convention. I kinda think it was the Wisconsin S group, but like I say, memory dims. Anyway, just wondering if there might be any of those CGW cars lurking out there...either unsold, or ones that someone might be willing to part with? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31896	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Banta Modelworks Detail part needed

Friends in "S", I have a Banta ModelWorks Sn3 Fluted Steam Dome (T-2032) brass detail casting in my supply box - I need one of the companion Fluted Sand Domes for a project. If anyone has one they are willing to part with - please contact me off-list at dmunsey@... THNX, don Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31897	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: CGW cars

Dear Roy, We made those for the 2001 S Fest that was hosted by the State Line S Gaugers. The paint scheme for these cars was from a series of PS-1 welded boxcars and applied to our 40' steel rebuilt boxcars. We only made 125 of each version (there were four produced, #00579 DF, #00580 DFb, #00581 C & #00582 SL) plus a few with blue paint for the auction. I hope this helps. Don roy inman wrote: >Hi all :) >A couple of years ago (maybe more, memory dims) there were limited-run >Chicago Great Western cars offered during an S-Fest or NASG convention. I >kinda think it was the Wisconsin S group, but like I say, memory dims. >Anyway, just wondering if there might be any of those CGW cars lurking out >there...either unsold, or ones that someone might be willing to part with? >Cheers :) >Roy Inman > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31898	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: So much for customer service

Yes, I too have had a very pleasant experience with Don from S helper, while I was at York this spring. A very friendly and knowledgable. At the same show however, I happened to have the opportunity(misfortune?) to speak to Mr Maury Kline of "K Line" fame at his booth, where I merely asked him if his company was thinking of producing the Big Boy in "S"....well, he just said NO! when I asked him why, he just said "I answered your question didn't I? NO! Obviously, it was a sensitive issue for him and I just happened to be whipping boy, Oh Well! I guess if I'm going to take the new product plunge, I will definately go with S Helper(yes, people do make the difference, always will)Thanx Don for your time and professionalism, you do make a difference.......Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] So much for customer service > Phil, et al; > I am continually amazed at the fact that some business people do not > understand that service is the name of the game, especially in today's > market. > Being a self-employed freelance photographer, I know that if I do not bend > over backwards to help my clients, someone else will. > I seem to remember from a seminar I took once, that the "average" person can > call 250 people by first name. Doctors, salespeople, freelancers, etc., may > know many more. So one negative interaction between seller and buyer does > not necessarily stay between just those two. Multiply it by perhaps > hundreds, like the folks on this list for example. > Your post recalled a telephone conversation I had with Ron not long after I > started in S gauge. I was a real newbie, and knew no local S gaugers, no > hobby shops carried S, and I was not internet connected back then. So I > called Ron and asked if I could get a catalog of AM equipment. His reply > was, > "Are you gonna buy somthin?" > I said, perhaps, if I knew what it was he had to sell. I got the distinct > impression I was annoying him. > Don, at SHS, on the other hand, practically jumped through the phone to get > my mailing address so he could send me their current catalog. > There are a number of places in today's S market where we can spend our > hard-earned dollars. > Generally speaking, if I have a choice, I like to do business with folks who > are at least cordial, and who don't act as though they are doing me a favor > for spending my money with them. > Many large corporations provide "sensitivity training," and "group dynamics" > sessions to help people with rude, abrasive attitudes recognize their > counter-productive behavior. It may take months, even years, for that sort > of help to have effect, because folks caught in that behavior cycle really, > truly don't have any idea that their actions and words effect the way people > react to them. Consequently, they think that others are just being rude with > them, not the other way around. > My guess is that if Ron changed his attitude toward the all-important > customer, his sales would increase at least 10%. > We know not what trauma, difficult times or tough childhood Ron has endured. > But from a seller-buyer interaction point of view, it makes no difference. > What we see is what we get. All I wanted was the opportunity to consider the > purchase of thousands of dollars worth of toy trains from the man, and all > he had to do was provide the information necessary for me to do so. I had > neither the inclination, interest, nor the time to delve into his personal > background to try and understand why he was so gruff, thereby to indulge in > a little empathy with his situation. Besides, it is none of my business > anyway. > Respectfully submitted, > Roy Inman > ---------- > > From: waldootten <waldootten@...> > > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:13:37 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] So much for customer service > > > > The owner of American Models was at the recent NASG Convention in > > Chicago. In the past three years, I have purchased new 16 of his > > locomotives, six of his complete sets, 50+ pieces of rolling stock, > > 700 feet of track, 50 turnouts and 10 crossovers. So I shall > > consider myself a pretty good customer. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31899	From: trombonelover1	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: The Current Steam Poll

Hello all. Has every one voted yet? I really want to know which one would be most popular. Who knows, we may get to have the most popular 2 made. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: The Current Steam Poll

What poll?????? I can never get in to vote! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "trombonelover1" <trombonelover1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The Current Steam Poll > Hello all. > > Has every one voted yet? I really want to know which one would be > most popular. Who knows, we may get to have the most popular 2 made. > > Jack > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31901	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Customer Service

I for one, think we should throttle our negative comments regarding "Customer Service" and other concerns we might have with specific "S" manufacturers in this public forum. I know this is America and that we have "rights", but let's be reasonable, if not forgiving. Before criticizing Ron Bashista of American Models, or Don & Robin Thompson of S-Helper, or anyone else for that matter, let us not forget what they have done collectively for our favorite model railroad scale - "S". I've purchased some very fine equipment from both manufacturers, and have personally met with and visited with Ron Bashista on several occasions - a great guy! I haven't had the opportunity to meet Don or Robin Thompson in person yet, but I'm sure we'd all enjoy discussing our favorite scale. In spite of differing personalities, just look at the choices we now have in "S" that AC Gilbert, American Flyer, and Lionel just can't match. American Models and S-Helper have BOTH brought us fantastic products that are now worthy of the 21st century. I love my AM AMTRAK Superliner set, a GP-35, and other rolling stock. (Where else can we find such an excellent model in "S" of a late 20th century passenger train set?) I've also acquired (with the blessing of my "Chief Procurement Officer") some great S-Helper equipment including the SW-9 Switcher, F-3 (A & B units), and other rolling stock. With the detail and features of the present offerings, how could we possibly find fault in the people who brought them to us? I'm not saying that I've never gotten miffed at the service or support of a particular "S" supplier, in the past. But, it all boils down to "shoes". First, put yourself in a particular "S" manufacturer's "shoes", then design, develop, produce, manufacture, and sell an equivalent amount of great products. THEN, see how YOU might react to the stresses of running such a business. Here, I wish to offer commendations, not condemnations to ALL "S" manufacturers who support our "S" habit! Regards, Randy Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31902	From: editor	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide

Thank you Lance. The S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is a great success because of super subscribers such as yourself!!! The same below philosophy must be applicable to manufacturer advertising for the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide picked up two more advertisers at the 2004 NASG Chicago convention who are moving their advertising dollars to the SMG as well! All Aboard!!! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ Dick, The phone number is908-304-5545. I just renewed this morning. It keeps getting better with each issue. The current issue (V8 I5) is the best S-scale magazine currently in publication. Cancel your S-Gaugian and spend your money on a good magazine. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:58:52 -0400 > From: p >Subject: Phone nunber for S Model Guide > >Hi list >Does anyone have a subscription telephone number for S Model Guide.. > >Thanks for the info, > >Dick Bennett >E.Weymouth Mass.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31903	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide

Congratulations on picking up 2 more advertisers Ben!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31904	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Mail Check

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31905	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] So much for customer service

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 31906	From: roy inman	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Customer Service

Randall, I agree that we should end this thread, as continued discussion serves not further purpose. And I certainly applaud the efforts of the various manufacturers to get into the S market. I am sure it is more a labor of love than a profit center for them. However, whether I am going to the cleaners, barber shop or train shop, I have no interest in putting myself in the shoes of the proprietor. The head person's sole purpose is to serve the customer. The better that service, the more you, I and others want to do more business. I have cash (if I'm lucky that day), the seller has merchandise. The more pleasant the seller, the more likely I am to spend. Everyone can have a bad day. In fact my wife says that most of mine are. But I take excellent care of my clients. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:04:31 -0400 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Customer Service > > , produce, manufacture, and sell an equivalent amount > of great products. THEN, see how YOU might react to the stresses of > running such a business. > > Here, I wish to offer commendations, not condemnations to ALL "S" > manufacturers who support our "S" habit!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31907	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: Re: Customer Service

Hi Randall! I do agree with you to a certain extent about negative comments, however when you travel over 2000 miles to attend your first York meet, and after having all your past 12 months of E-mail correspondence falling on deaf ears, and you finally have the opportunity to "meet" and ask questions of the people who are their to "promote" the hobby and their products and then to have the "big shot" belittle you in a public was a little less than I would expect, from anyone...Sorry folks, it did not leave me with a good feeling , I guess I expected a little more, enough said......Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Customer Service > I for one, think we should throttle our negative comments regarding > "Customer Service" and other concerns we might have with specific "S" > manufacturers in this public forum. I know this is America and that we > have "rights", but let's be reasonable, if not forgiving. Before > criticizing Ron Bashista of American Models, or Don & Robin Thompson of > S-Helper, or anyone else for that matter, let us not forget what they have > done collectively for our favorite model railroad scale - "S". > > I've purchased some very fine equipment from both manufacturers, and have > personally met with and visited with Ron Bashista on several occasions - a > great guy! I haven't had the opportunity to meet Don or Robin Thompson in > person yet, but I'm sure we'd all enjoy discussing our favorite scale. In > spite of differing personalities, just look at the choices we now have in > "S" that AC Gilbert, American Flyer, and Lionel just can't match. American > Models and S-Helper have BOTH brought us fantastic products that are now > worthy of the 21st century. I love my AM AMTRAK Superliner set, a GP-35, > and other rolling stock. (Where else can we find such an excellent model > in "S" of a late 20th century passenger train set?) I've also acquired > (with the blessing of my "Chief Procurement Officer") some great S-Helper > equipment including the SW-9 Switcher, F-3 (A & B units), and other rolling > stock. With the detail and features of the present offerings, how could we > possibly find fault in the people who brought them to us? > > I'm not saying that I've never gotten miffed at the service or support of a > particular "S" supplier, in the past. But, it all boils down to > "shoes". First, put yourself in a particular "S" manufacturer's "shoes", > then design, develop, produce, manufacture, and sell an equivalent amount > of great products. THEN, see how YOU might react to the stresses of > running such a business. > > Here, I wish to offer commendations, not condemnations to ALL "S" > manufacturers who support our "S" habit! > > Regards, Randy Griggs > Louisville, KY > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31908	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/4/2004
Subject: NASG last week

I had a wonderful time. I got up at 4:00 AM on Wednesday so I could drive from Greater Milwaukee to Chicagoland. I budgeted an hour and a half to get there plus an hour for traffic. Traffic only ate up 15 minutes so I got there before 7:30 AM. I checked with the hotel and was able to check in right then and get my room. I had time to haul in my gear before going down for the tour bus. All tours were done with two of those air conditioned, big, air conditioned, buses with healthy air conditioners. Did I mention that the air conditioners worked very, very, VERY well? (Chatter chatter.) Nice, clean, and comfortable. Good choices, Sam. Wednesday's tour was to the Illinois Railway Museum. The lunch counter was indeed closed. It has been replaced by a dinner building with a cafeteria! I got to ride a Edison GE steeplecab. I got to see Charles City Western 300. This McGuire-Cummings 30 ton steeplecab is being rebuilt! I gathered some good information for my book. It looks like I will need a chapter on her rebuilding at the IRM. That evening I caught up with Wally Collins. We joined Dave and Sharon for a delightful dinner at the Silver Stallion which is a block north of Des Plaines Hobbies. Des Plaines Hobbies was a mad house. It was totally overrun with S Gaugers. The good stuff was flying off the shelves. I spend twice as much as I should have and it is all good stuff. Afterwards I got to see a very nice S scale layout only a few blocks from Des Plaines. (Cue the hisses and boos). I don't remember the name of the owner of this fantastic layout. (End boos and hisses.) It was the end of a very nice, very long day. Thursday was spent at the Museum of Science and Industry. It was nice to see the rebuilt Pioneer Zephyr. The huge layout is nice but, alas, not 'S'. 'S'igh. Dick Karnes noticed the 727 attached to the balcony. He told me that he remembers the 727 being developed and thus before it was new. Now it is a museum piece. Dinner was a nice meal with Wally Collins. I retired to my room and went to bed early. Friday was the river / lake tour for building architecture. Before the tour, the trading floor opened and I shot in. Jettie Padgett was there and informed me he had an SP AC-12 Cab Forward for me. I left for the tour very happy. We boarded the boat about 15 minutes early. The announcer had a story for almost every building. He tried a couple of baseball jokes but the entire boat was 100% NASG convention people. His jokes kinda died. (Who needs sports? We've got trains!) It was a nice trip up the river and out onto lake Michigan. I have now seen Navy Pier from all sides. (The West side I saw from land years ago.) I brought two slices of bread, a tube of peanut butter, and grape jelly. Poor Wally had to help me when my bread container decided to run away. I ate my PB&J while viewing Navy Pier. We got back about 20 minutes early. (We also started 15 minutes early.) The McDonalds around the corner got a sudden rush of NASG business before we headed back at almost 2:00 PM. When I got back to the Hotel, I started walking isles of the trade show. I'm a lot poorer than I was last year so I was more careful. Jettie flagged me down and told me to take the Cab Forward back to my room with me before supper. I went upstairs at about 4:00 PM and opened the box. Two white mummies were within. 15 layers later I had a beautiful, brass, painted locomotive on my desk. I just sat there and grinned at it. I had no way to run it and didn't even have any track for it to sit on. I went downstairs just as the room was being closed for dinner break. I noticed the steak house didn't open until 5:30 or 6:00 PM. I wonder if Sam pointed out to them when our dinner break was? I ended up in the bar with Billy and Diane Wade, Susan Sebastian, and Richard and Debby Belvedere. I was definitely the odd-duck out. Things got even more exciting when Diane and Susan started arguing over who would pay the check. (Funny, they didn't argue over mine...) Back to the trade show! I paid Jettie and continued my wandering the show. Jeff Madden informed me that there had been two electrics for sale that morning but they were both gone. Ah well. You can't win them all. (Two electrics other than AM GG1s and AF/Lionel EP-5s.) Cheer up, Thorin, you have a cab-forward to drool over. And there it was. Behind the sign on Bill Lane's table was a home-made PRR P5a without lettering or numbers. It was crude. The mechanism is an AF pacific complete with side rods. The side frames are mounted to the chasse outside the rods. It doesn't have the correct headlights -- it doesn't have any headlights! Yet it can't be anything except a P5a! After several bids, Bill relinquished and I hauled my unplanned treasure upstairs. Jeff noticed it in my hands and told me it was one of the two electrics he had seen that morning. It sat on my desk all night. Right there in front. IN FRONT of the big, new steam locomotive! A crude electric that cost a tiny fraction of the big one! And it's in front. I sat there chuckling. Saturday I got up with a horrendous back ache. So like all other mornings, I trudged down the pool / hot tub. Ten minutes in the hot tub, 15 minutes in the pool, and five more in the hot tub and my back was happy again. (The chairs in the hotel were not designed for me. I need chairs with unyielding backs that I can lean against.) I would have left the pool much sooner but the conversation with Andy and Gregg went on and on... Great times! I packed up my room while cataloging my new purchases. I got it all out to the car by 10:30. I then slunk half an hour late into the back of Dayna's Rosin Kit Building clinic and saw the rest of it. I visited the Gilbert show that was also there. (Mostly erector sets. But also some Flyer. Prices were very different at the two shows.) Art Dotie was there and looking better than he has in a couple of years. The train show saw me purchase more trains than I had planned -- more in volume than price. A gent (who's name I should have gotten) was with Jettie. He was selling off his cars. He had a napkin with $1.00 written on it. Every time I gave him another dollar, he put another car there. (If anyone knows who this was, please tell me.) Lunch was very well planned. Thank you, Sam. They had a sandwich line in the hall. The food was not overpriced for the venue and was good. It was also close enough that even the venders could dash out and dash back. The show shut down in the afternoon but many were gone by noon. Joel of CASG and I got to talking about my cab-forward. He wanted to know if I wanted to run it on a test track. I have a highrail layout with K-Line 27 inch curves. The CASG modular layout has curves much broader. After thinking about it, I went to my car, got that huge box, un-mummified the locomotive and put it on the track. The shorts started almost immediately. Joel diagnosed the problem as a short within the locomotive. Joe is right. However I currently think the problem is the front truck of the tender as I run it at home. After a brief run it was re-mummified for the trip home. The banquet featured rubber beef. (I don't know if the chicken and fish were rubber too.) But the food was plentiful and good. The ladies were served first. Sam got a great ovation for a great convention. The auction followed the banquet and got pretty rowdy. Bidders were handed numbered cards. Someone asked for (and got) 666. Things went downhill from there. Mine was a smiley face. Although about 1/3 of the stuff went without a bid, good time was had by all. (I expect most of it will sell at very nice prices on e-bay.) When it was all over, I finally headed home. I crawled into bed about 2:00 AM. The next day I showed Catherine my treasures and the two locomotives. The cab-forward headed to the basement and the 4 foot Scale-compatible module. The P5a headed for the mantel. Today I am working on the problems of the cab forward. It is running back and forth on two sections of SHS flex track and the module with the #6 crossover. The P5a is sitting on the mantle, still untested. I have no idea if it works or not and I don't care. I have so many AF parts around that I can rebuild it if I need to. It was a good show. I do not expect to make Altoona but I hope to make 2007 (wherever that is!). I look forward to seeing many of you again at S-Fest in the fall. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31909	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: "scenery"

At http://www.ehobbies.com/tr-lif-1659.html are some HO articles that look usable in S for scenery or loads. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31910	From: Bruce	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: New Santa Fe stuff

It figures. 12(?) years ago I heard rumors about Lionel producing a Santa Fe passenger set. I waited awhile and finally gave up and purchased a Western Pacific set. When the Santa Fe's finally came out I had to find a buyer for my WP set so I could afford the SF. By the time I got the WP set sold, I couldn't find the SF set anywhere. Some of you suggested that production was low. I figured they were all snapped up by collectors who wanted to horde/keep them. I'll probably purchase this stuff now while I can and still keep looking for the 1997 SF set. Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31911	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: What is the big deal about the new Santa Fe Lionel Stuff ?

I respect the opinions of the American Flyer faithful and I recognize that some of you are collectors. I hope I do not offend you over your enthusiasm for the new Lionel Santa Fe items. But if I was in a position to a add a Santa Fe passenger train to my S trains, it would not be anything made by Lionel. Despite some improvements in quality, I would very much doubt that their passenger locomotives or passenger cars are competitive in quality, appearance, or performance as the products from American Models and SHS. For starters, the American Models passenger cars are far superior. They have flicker free lighting with interiors. You can add people if your like. The cars are probably the maximum length that will operate on American Flyer track and they operate very well on it. They are heavier and stay on the track better. OK, they lack a dome car, which maybe will be available in the future. But Santa Fe domes were usually the full length dome cars which are not available from any S manufacturer at the present time. And compare the dining cars from Lionel and American Models. The AM dining car looks like a dining car. The Lionel dining car looks like a coach with modified windows. Not only does it have a vestibule that is uncharacteristic of dining cars but the vestibule is on the wrong end of the car, meaning that there was no door for loading or unloading supplies to the kitchen. Now, about locomotives. I used to think that the American Flyer PAs were beautiful. But now they look funny on my layout with E8s and FP7s, F3s, and FA's. The body looks nice but it become apparent that the trucks on the PAs are so oversized and it makes the PAs way too tall. And I always have had trouble with the dummy units in an AA or ABA set derailing. I would still be using PAs if nothing better had become available. But I just checked online and see we could order beautiful F7s from SHS in A, AA, or AB, or ABA, or ABBA configuations. Or almost the same choices of American Models's FP7s. American Models also has their E8s, with the only big drawback being that B units are not available. When I compare the appearance and performance of these SHS or AM units with the Lionel made American Flyer, their just is no comparison for me. I also wonder how good the finish is on the Lionel Santa Fe passenger cars. I have seen some really nice graphics on some of their cars but remember how disgusted I was when I first saw the Western Pacific silver cars, because they were not silver. Not only were they not chromed, but they look more gray than silver. If you are a collector or in love only with things that say American Flyer, then buy the Lionel made units. But if you are looking for the best alternatives for appearance, quality, and operation, look at the alternatives. - Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31912	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: banking

In the July '04 Model Railroader, is an article on laying "Perfect track". The author explains how he superelevated (banked) his track. He used .04" styrene (for H0) under the outside rail and makes a transition ramp using .01" increments up to the .04" shim (.06" for S). As Tom Jarcho pointed out, if you try to do too much elevating at once most things will have derailment problems. In another Kalmbach publication "Trackwork and Lineside Detail", it is recommended that the transition ramp be twice as long as your longest piece of rolling stock to avoid this problem (this author used .06" elevation for H0). Also, the transition to superelevation should occur under the easement (transition curve). The easement is, the section of track between your straight track and your constant radius track, about 20" in length for S gauge. Never tried superelevation with Flyer track. Maybe if you started on the last piece of straight track (10") and continued the transition into the first curve track (again (10") before full superelevation, it might work. That would be only 1/32" of contortion (would that be a hyperbolic paraboloid?) in 10" to reach the full .06". I know it looks great to see trains leaning into a curve. Tell us how you do. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31913	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Double Decker Layouts

Does anyone have a source of good drawings/photos of building a 2-level layout, or of one that has been built but showing more than just the track and scenery. MR, CTT, etc. only show the running surfaces, not a view standing back and looking at more (I realize that many layouts, like mine, don't leave much room to stand back and take photos). I don't have a large area (12 x 16), and would like to explore the possibilities, but I have a hard time visualizing how the levels would look with the tables 1' or 2' or ? apart vertically. Thanks in advance. Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31914	From: Paul Swartz	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Train Layout Designs and Cad Programs

I'm inquiring about those who might have had experience with any of the CAD design programs for train layouts, or designs for a room 24X 20 feet. Any recommendations or source of layout designs? Paul paul.swartz@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31915	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER

QUICK NOTE FOR YOU. even though I greatly enjoy my Gilbert FLyer TRAINS i must part with them for personnal reasons. And so to thatI hope you will check them out on the collector auction .com site. as u have strong interest i must say please dont be angry at me for this being put on here. i am going to stay active as best that i can-but very personnal priorities are present upon me . thanks JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31916	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: S-scale Brick Walls and Detail Parts Advert

Hi Gang, We have finally updated our S-scale pages to show the brick walls and detail parts available. Here is the link http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/alleywalls.htm Now you can mix and match your scene. We are now working on a new less rustic brick pattern for alley #3. Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31917	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Re: What is the big deal about the new Santa Fe Lionel Stuff ?

Hello Earl. No offense is taken if you don't agree with those enthusiastic about the latest Lionel Santa Fe stuff. Your descriptions of the American Model's and SHS products are right on the money. The detailing and other points of concern are far superior and therein lies the problem. Actually you have made my point for me when you said you used to think the American Flyer PAs were beautiful, but now they look funny on your layout compared to these new offerings. Many of us are retired or are approaching retirement and are scaling back on our hobby purchases. We already have considerable sums spent on collections of American Flyer and we want to run them side by side with newer trains and we don't want them to look funny! If it were a case of starting fresh and having these choices I would definitely select these newer items over American Flyer products. That, however, is not the case for me and I suspect others also. We are just looking for a good blend. Just my opinion. OH BOY! TRAINS!.................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31918	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: Re: New Santa Fe stuff

When I finally moved into a house, back in 1997, with a basement, I immediately set up my Flyer trains. The one thing that I never had was a diesel passenger set. In fact, I never had a single passenger car of any kind! I remember looking longingly at the Santa Fe Super Chief set as a kid and wishing I could get that, but it was too expensive for us. Anyway, in 1998 I saw that a number of train dealers were advertising the Lionel AF Santa Fe set in magazines, so I tried calling the dealers and they were all sold out except for one place in New York, where I got the engines and passenger cars together with a discount. I have been waiting for the B unit ever since. I even tried using a junker 364 converted to knuckle couplers, which did not work well in a semaphore operation because the Lionel units stop on a dime and the 364 b unit always derails from the shock. Then I bought the UP B unit and tried to switch the 364 shell with it but the posts were different heights. I eventually bought the UP set to go with that B unit. Needless to say I willl order the SF B-unit and the extra passenger cars as sooon as I hear from my favorite dealer. I'll even order the Santa Fe docksider. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Santa Fe stuff > It figures. 12(?) years ago I heard rumors about Lionel producing a > Santa Fe passenger set. I waited awhile and finally gave up and > purchased a Western Pacific set. When the Santa Fe's finally came > out I had to find a buyer for my WP set so I could afford the SF. By > the time I got the WP set sold, I couldn't find the SF set anywhere. > Some of you suggested that production was low. I figured they were > all snapped up by collectors who wanted to horde/keep them. I'll > probably purchase this stuff now while I can and still keep looking > for the 1997 SF set. > > Bruce W. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31919	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: S-Suupliers

For the past few days there has been some grousing about the personalities of some of oour suppliers at the gathering. Someone pointed out that each of us knows many people on a first name basis and will pass this sort of information on. This ought to be a lesson for all of us in our professional work lives. Tick off ONE customer with an answer born of frustration of the moment and hundreds will hear of it. Our real problem is that we don't spend the time complimenting those that bend over backwards or go the extra miles to see to our satisfaction and happiness. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31920	From: roy inman	Date: 8/5/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Suupliers

Dear Bigfoot; Generally, you sure are correct. However, several folks who made negative comments about a supplier also offered glowing remarks about another. But the positive is definitely on the slack side. How does that old saying go: "Good news walks, bad news flys," or something like that...don't know my old sayings as well as I should I guess. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:57:45 -0500 > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] S-Suupliers > > Our real problem is that we don't spend the time complimenting those that bend > over backwards or go the extra miles to see to our satisfaction and happiness.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31921	From: trainman634	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: LTI/AF Freight Car Trucks

What year did Lionel start producing the new style of American Flyer freight car trucks?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31922	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: LTI/AF Freight Car Trucks

In a message dated 8/6/2004 8:09:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, wes6464@... writes: What year did Lionel start producing the new style of American Flyer freight car trucks? 1990. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31923	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: NASG convention & John Foley

Hi All, Here is my short version of the events. It started off and ended with the airplane being at least 3 hours late in both directions. It confirmed to me that flying is for people who are not in a hurry. It was tough to have the alarm go off at 2:45 AM on Sunday morning for a 6:00 flight out, only to wait at the check in counter for 45 minutes for the employees to arrive! But the rest of the trip and convention was really awesome. It was really great to finally see downtown Chicago and experience the restaurants. Seeing your friends from the far away lands is truly the best part of the convention though. I just hope everyone feels the same way about me! (:->) I want to go back even without a convention. But I am currently free in the summer of 2007! Donna and I went on most of the tours including the Museum of Science and Industry, and the boat tour. The variety of the architecture in downtown was great. To Sam, it was a great balance of tours and vendor room time. Don't change a thing WHEN you do it again! Of course it was capped off by yet another entertaining auction by Jaime Bothwell. Congrats to John Foley for the Bernie Thomas award. My comment to Donna as he was accepting the award was I was surprised that he had not won it already! NO one has put in the totally unselfish effort and consistently driven to every Podunk little train show in a 200 mile radius from his house to promote the NASG like John Foley has. He was long overdue for that recognition. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31924	From: moula1313	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Beginning restoration

I've just acquired my dad's AF Union Pacific 4-8-4 train set. It includes the engine, coal car and 6 other cars. The engine needs a rear truck and little TLC. The rest of the cars are short on knuckle- couplers (Dad added knuckle couplers in the 50's), need a really good cleaning, and need some painting and accessories. I also need to spend a great deal of time cleaning the track and buying some additional track. Here's my question: When faced with a similar situation, would the more experienced of you, replace the cars and track or repair them. I know that the answer would depend on the price of the replacement cars, but the cars I have do not appear to be the more valuable pieces ($10 - $20 each). Thanks in advance for the help. Kevin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31925	From: waldootten	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Closure on Customer Service

Since I posted the original thoughts about customer service, allow me to respond. Off-line, I received a half-dozen e-mails from fellow S-gaugers telling me they had similar less-than-memorable experiences with the gruff owner I cited. And I think my posts about manufacturers and dealers here over the last few years have been in good balance, throwing bouquets where deserved as well as popping someone who deserved it. Let's not be naive here, gang. Let's not cut people slack because "they're doing us a favor by making stuff in S-gauge." Starting and running a business includes assuming a certain amount of risk. Make junk and you'll be stuck with it. Make great stuff and it will fly off the shelves. We consumers vote with our dollars. Period. And WE'RE doing THEM a favor by giving them our hard-earned dollars for what they produce -- if we like it. We don't owe them anything for their efforts. That's part of the risk-reward thing inherent to running a business. And let's not be so naive to be making up excuses for surly people by saying "they're under a lot of pressure." Everyone who is on this list has pressure in their lives -- I own a business and four familes depend on me to provide them with paychecks so they can buy food, gas, pay the mortgage, the car payment, etc. Fact is, some people are just not very good ambassadors for what they're doing. Everyone has a bad day once in awhile. We all understand that. But obviously some have more than others -- too many, in fact. They forget that without us and our purchases, they wouldn't be in business. I just expect that someone who has received over 14,000 of my hard- earned dollars over the past couple years should treat me more like a human being, instead of as a nuisance. Let this end it for now. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31926	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: The excitment of railroading!

In the beginning, I bought new Gilbert Flyer at retail stores. My boys and I bonded building train layouts on the ping pong table. A basement room was remodeled for a permanent dog leg layout at the beginning of the 1970's. Flyer track with a little Gargrave was used. There is a standup control panel at one end. The layout performs as good today as it did when it was finished. The layout saw new Lionel flyer during the eighties and nineties. Now, It performs with S-helper and American Models. It is exciting to see S doing so well. We now have a pretty good collection of switchers which was not possible in the past. Oh, we haven't quit collecting Gilbert. This past weekend, we acquired a considerable number of American Flyer items which included a 372 made by American Flyer, a 364 with the number stamped on the end, a 370 with knuckle couplers, and a 911 with brown pipes. If you are a student of Gilbert, you know these are neat additions. Yes, our problem is display. With the effort of late to provide new products, there is new life for S gauge. That is good. Negative comments is bad and definitely not needed. Be Happy with the support we are experiencing. Marvin Layman, Denver, Colorado.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31927	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2365

Still cleaning my barn, found one Gilbert Polar Cub fan, will trade for A.F. Contact my off line if interested. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31928	From: trainman634	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: American Models Track

Can the members of this group tell me the good and bad points of using American Models track and switches?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31929	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 8, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31930	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 8/6/2004
Subject: Re: Beginning restoration

I don't care how bad it is it can always be repaired,also remember it was your dad's.I still have the very first train my dad got me when I was 2 no amount of money will get me to sell it.By the still runs great after 51 years. Bob Persing moula1313 <moula1313@...> wrote:I've just acquired my dad's AF Union Pacific 4-8-4 train set. It includes the engine, coal car and 6 other cars. The engine needs a rear truck and little TLC. The rest of the cars are short on knuckle- couplers (Dad added knuckle couplers in the 50's), need a really good cleaning, and need some painting and accessories. I also need to spend a great deal of time cleaning the track and buying some additional track. Here's my question: When faced with a similar situation, would the more experienced of you, replace the cars and track or repair them. I know that the answer would depend on the price of the replacement cars, but the cars I have do not appear to be the more valuable pieces ($10 - $20 each). Thanks in advance for the help. Kevin S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31931	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Lionel Road Names take for ever

Hi I remember when Lionel came out with the new caboose. So how many years do you have to wait to get the road name you want when they make 1 a year. You will not live long enought. I have been promoting that they do a Doc Side for 20 years. That is a long time to wait to spend money isn't it? Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31932	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: kids and trains

I just "paged" though the Lionel catalog. (Who would have thought that this would all be on a computer screen?)As always, it's light on S gauge, but I enjoyed the innovative dreams. Who can say whether all of this will be produced or delivered in a timely manner, but most of all I congratulate Lionel in their attempt to market to kids. Someone has realized that all of us 50-60 year old types will not be around forever and we need a new generation of model train addicts. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31933	From: knockbill	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: train meets

Hi Are there any local train meets in the New England area the week-end of August 14-15?? We are heading up that way, & would like to see what other shows have to offer.. Thanks in advance John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31934	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Station Toy trains

***((((( Just a quick note to let everyone know that the official opening of our store was today at HIGH NOON! Looks like we are on the right track! If you would like to stop in and say hello or buy a train, check out our website for directions. www.elizabethstaion.com)))*** That's great Chris!! Good luck!! I wish I was closer to pop in!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31935	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Station Toy trains

Chris ya missed a "t" in your link.... this should work. www.elizabethstation.com Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31936	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: beginning restoration

Kevin, First, to keep or replace your train cars is not a financial decision--they are from your past, and you have to decide their "emotional value." to you. I have some pretty ratty stuff that will never leave my living hands as it is from my childhood. Restoration is a delicate subject in the toy train collecting field, as there is nothing as authentic as the factory finish--whatever flaws it may have (such as broken steps from the factory--yes they did happen frequently!). However, there can come a time when it is too far gone, or the piece is common enough that one can repaint. I just evaluated a collection for a gentleman whose father kept "playing" with AF long beyond the ACG demise. The one caboose he repainted was a 930 with the late, rivited-on light socket--AAAAUGH!!! So be careful what you think is common, there are rare variations on some of the most common cars! You will be amazed at what some cleaning can do. As to your trailing truck, go ahead and use a repro one, but keep your eyes open for an original. I just recently found an early trailing truck for one of my '46 locomotives that had been missing its own for many years. Track is still fairly common, unless you want the black anodized track with little to no rust! As time goes one, what we consider common now will become scarce. Have fun!!! S' David D. PS, New Docksiders--there goes my budget for a while! Oh boy, Oh boy, Hurk, TRAINS!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31937	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: New S-friendly Store

Hi Everyone, Today at high Noon, Elizabeth Station officially opened for business. I hope to have pictures of the store posted soon. Will let you know where they are as soon as I can get them there. If you are in the Dayton, Ohio area, stop in and say hello. Check our website for directions. Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 www.Elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31938	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley

>Hi Bill Thanks for your kind words. I feel proud and grateful to join the other recipients of the Bernie Thomas Award. Also I must thank the NASG members and BOT for considering me for this honor. John >Congrats to John Foley for the Bernie Thomas award. My comment to Donna as >he was accepting the award was I was surprised that he had not won it >already! NO one has put in the totally unselfish effort and consistently >driven to every Podunk little train show in a 200 mile radius from his house >to promote the NASG like John Foley has. He was long overdue for that >recognition. > >Thank You, >Bill Lane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31939	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website award

Hi Folks Craig O'Connell has won the first annual NASG Josh Seltzer S Website Excellence Award for 2004 for his "S" Scale Model Railroading website, http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html Congratulations Craig. So for the 2005 award you folks can start voting on Sept 1st to May15th. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31940	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: New S-friendly Store

Hi Chris Burger: Congradulations on your store opening, as you told me in the past, that is something you wanted to do. That is the dream of many of us, to open a train shoppe and I wish you and your wife all the best and success in your new venture. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31941	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley

John -Let me also add my congratulations! Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31942	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: Josh Seltzer Website award

Way to go Craig! I always fing Craig's site informative when looking for things. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31943	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: New S-friendly Store

Chris - If I am ever anywhere near Dayton I will make it a point to stop in. I hope it works out for you and hope that all the modelers in the area will frequent your shop and PURCHASE! With so many hobby shops closing it is nice to see someone opening for a change. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31944	From: jackotrains	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: New Flyer Cars

I noticed that a lot of people on this forum don't like some of the new offering by Lionel American Flyer. I do not have the Santa Fe set but will buy the new B unit and Passenger cars with the hope of getting the set in the near future. I never thought that I would get the UP Pony Express set but last Christmas I walked into Nichlos Smith Trains in Broomal, PA and there sitting on the floor was the Pony Express set MIB and at a great price. Since then I have added to the set with the B unit and the extra cars. I also got the New York Central set and have purchased all the add-ons. I like to run my trains with a mixture of colors and have no problem running a Western Pacific with a Santa Fe B unit or adding a Western Pacific Car to the Central set. We should be thankful that Lionel is still producing the Flyer Line and with all the new Engines (Docksiders and the new steamer), the future looks good for "S" Gauge. I also have a large collection of Lionel O gauge and have over the past year gone all out into S gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31945	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/7/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG convention & John Foley

Hi Dayna Thanks for the congratulations. John At 14:43 8/7/2004, Dayna Williamson wrote: >John -Let me also add my congratulations! > >Dayna Williamson CEO >Trainstuff LLC >www.trainstuffllc.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31946	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: Re: New Flyer Cars

Yes, I agree that Flyonel is what ACG would most likely be making today-I think the paint jobs are great-but I don't care for the "molded in" colored rolling stock, nor did I much care for the original, New Haven products of the same genre. I also feel that the metal couplers are a VAST improvement over the plastic Gilbert knuckles-just make sure that your illuminated and powered units have the metal wheels on the same sides as your Gilbert! (which you MUST do with the link Gilbert originals, too-and Flyonel has used the same arrangement that Gilbert did.) The Railsounds bet the tar out of the EEEHGT! EEEGHT! noisemaker ACG used-though, the Gilbert Choo-choo and Roar are the predecessors of digital sound-they were the tech available at the time. Please don't yak about rehashes of the S.O.S.-Flyonel wasn't making any really new Lionel, either, until relatively recently. And really, comparing the originals to the 80's and 90's isn't fair- ACG and JLC, and their companies, are NOT the ones /one of today.General Mills and their subsequent replacements are to be credited with keeping them both alive-ALL the old tooling could have been abandoned; what would have or could have been manufactured instead is only idle speculation. Does ANYONE really miss the ACG FA locos? No matter who is making it, S that is compatible and in the spirit of ACG - nice, realistic TOY trains is what we have today. PS - My first love, since 1955, has been Gilbert S. I was given 2032 and 2046 sets (used, and 9 yrs old THEN) as my first "other" brand and gauge in 1961. When I really started to collect/operate in the 80's, I discovered Standard gage, Ives, Bing, Marx and have come to love 100 years of electric trains and 3 gagues since. Scale is fine, but the real scale hobby that has also always been my love is -GASP!! plastic model aircraft!! K-Line, welcome to S-and it's good company to be in. Flyonel, let me see and run your Mike and let me decide if you are worthy of being competition to SHS and AM. -my 5 bucks worth-(hey, inflation!!)-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31947	From: race944t	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: St Louis

Thanks to all who supplied me with St. Louis train happenings, unfortunately the date has been set for Sept 18-23 when not a lot is happening that I'm aware of so I'm sending another plea for an train related happenings anywhere from St Louis to Kansas City up to Topeka and then over to Des Moines and back to St. Louis. To those of you who sent me links, I still have them and have followed up on some of them. Thank you a lot!! Any help you can be in finding train related, (especially "S" gauge or excursions) adventures will be greatly appreciated. I remain... Train Starved in SW Va. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31948	From: Neil Becker	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: TrainTracker 5.5

Has anybody used the new Train Tracker 5.5 software with the AF 2004 price list? Did you update from a prior version? How'd it go? There were problems discussed here regarding TT 4. Have these issues been resolved with this long delayed new version? Doug, you were pretty vocal about TT 4 Is going to TT 5.5 worth it or should we stay with TT 3 without price updates? If this program isn't good, any other inventory programs out there which compare? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 8, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31950	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: NIGERIA FALLS, N Y

Dear Bob: Try Niagara Central Hobbies, 395 St. Paul Street, St. Catherine. I have gotten a number of Traction books from them and they are very nice. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:22:51 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: NIAGRIA FALLS, N Y Roming again..... will be around the falls, Buffalo, St Catherine's, Hamilton tue the 24th of Aug to fri am the 27..... any good shops???? Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31951	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: for Carl Byron

Carl: could you send me your email address? I just finished reading Boston and Maine, City and Shore. What a great book! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31952	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: New Flyer cars

Hi all! Well I must disagree on a few details John mentioned. The metal couplers are a BIG goof on Flyonel's part. To make certain both cars are picking up power from the same rail at each end is impossible if you do any switching around. I never had a plastic coupler break in use (knock on wood) so I see no impromvent there, just problems. And why would you have to be careful with the S link couplers, they were plastic! This is not true of the O pre-war ones, as they were diecast. Other than the metal couplers, my only big complaint is the "new" see-thru trucks, they just look too big, I don't know if it may be because they make the cars ride too high, haven't compared them side-by side. The 2005 lineup looks very interesting, let us hope they can pull it off. Now where are the Heavyweights????? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31953	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: motoring a tender for 944 crane

Steam powered cranes usually had their own tenders, often salvaged from retired steam locos. It strikes me that it would be a fun project to put a good slow can motor in a Flyer steam loco tender, so the crane could be operated seemingly under its own power, once it arrived at a "wreck site". The powered tender would push the crane around the track. The hook and boom would continue to be manually operated. The drive mechanism would be a challenge to design! It would probably have to be disengageable for when the crane was pulled by a locomotive. How the heck can this be done? Gears? Chain and sprocket? NWSL parts and gears? What motors might be best? How would you do it? You could simply put a knuckle coupler on the front of the powered tender if you wanted to use a 944 in collectible condition, but if you use a less valuable repaint you could convert the 944 to a steam crane (steam chimney instead of diesel stack, other minor body changes) and add top and ditch lights and even a SMOKE UNIT. I would go for a Seuthe or even a fan driven MTH smoke unit for this app. The smoke unit could be located in the tender if necessary, with a little rubber hose connecting them. You would also need a reverse unit or DCC decoder in the tender. lf you use DCC the crane lights and smoke could be separately controlled. A working backup light on the tender would be good. Then you would be able to tow the crane to a work site as part of a train, uncouple it, and go to work cleaning up the wreck onto a few idler flat cars. What do you think? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31954	From: roy inman	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Streamlined passenger cars

OK, call me attention deficit disorder (just don't call me late to dinner :>) I know this has been discussed on both lists at one time or another, but now I have a need to know: Does anyone make smooth side streamlined passenger cars (preferably undecorated) suitable for painting and lettering as Kansas City Southern Belle? I am more than willing to convert to scale, if available only in high rail. And I apologize once again for not paying close enough attention. Mia culpa. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31955	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: Question

Hi Ya'll, I'm having problems keeping bulbs in my 720 Remote Control Switches. I've been using 1449 and they don't last more than a few days of not a lot of operation. Any ideas on how to prolong their life? Thanks in advance Dane C. LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31956	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: Question

The latest issue of o gauge railroading, run 202 has an article on how to convert lionel switch lights to leds..... I haven't read the article yet.... look at it... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <dcupluvr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question > Hi Ya'll, > I'm having problems keeping bulbs in my 720 Remote Control Switches. I've > been using 1449 and they don't last more than a few days of not a lot of > operation. Any ideas on how to prolong their life? > Thanks in advance > Dane C. LaBarr > Tampa, FL > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31957	From: doug	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: TrainTracker 5.5

Neil, I had no use for 4.0....I hated it, it didn't operate properly for me, and Bangzoom was of no help in correcting it for me. So I awaited 5.0..........tried it as soon as it was released, and I had no problems with it, liked it, and still use it regularly, especially whenh I am doing inventory appraisals, etc, for someone. It's a great timesaver, and I find its use of the TM guide values preferable to the Greenberg guide values. It's not that the TM values are higher OR lower.....they're just more realistic. As for 5.5, I'm not familiar with what changes it includes, unless it's just the inclusion of the 2004 guide values instead of 2003. (Offhand, I don't recall if 5.0 was released using '03 or '04 values.) <<< From: "Neil Becker" <afmaven@...> Subject: TrainTracker 5.5 Has anybody used the new Train Tracker 5.5 software with the AF 2004 price list? Did you update from a prior version? How'd it go? There were problems discussed here regarding TT 4. Have these issues been resolved with this long delayed new version? Doug, you were pretty vocal about TT 4 Is going to TT 5.5 worth it or should we stay with TT 3 without price updates?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31958	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: motoring a tender for 944 crane

Tom.... Good idea.... But why not go a little more.... With the new micro servos for Planes ( RC ) you could also fix the hook, boom, and cab to operate too... It might take some wires between the two units, and some more tiny motors..... Good project for you too work on.... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] motoring a tender for 944 crane > Steam powered cranes usually had their own tenders, often salvaged from > retired steam locos. It strikes me that it would be a fun project to put > a good slow can motor in a Flyer steam loco tender, so the crane could be > operated seemingly under its own power, once it arrived at a "wreck site". > The powered tender would push the crane around the track. The hook and boom > would continue to be manually operated. > > The drive mechanism would be a challenge to design! It would probably have > to be disengageable for when the crane was pulled by a locomotive. How the > heck can this be done? Gears? Chain and sprocket? NWSL parts and gears? > What motors might be best? How would you do it? > > You could simply put a knuckle coupler on the front of the powered tender > if you wanted to use a 944 in collectible condition, but if you use a less > valuable repaint you could convert the 944 to a steam crane (steam chimney > instead of diesel stack, other minor body changes) and add top and ditch > lights and even a SMOKE UNIT. I would go for a Seuthe or even a fan driven > MTH smoke unit for this app. The smoke unit could be located in the tender > if necessary, with a little rubber hose connecting them. > > You would also need a reverse unit or DCC decoder in the tender. lf you > use DCC the crane lights and smoke could be separately controlled. A > working backup light on the tender would be good. > > Then you would be able to tow the crane to a work site as part of a train, > uncouple it, and go to work cleaning up the wreck onto a few idler flat > cars. > > What do you think? > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31959	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: Re: motoring a tender for 944 crane

Tom.... Good idea.... But why not go a little more.... With the new micro servos for Planes ( RC ) you could also fix the hook, boom, and cab to operate too... It might take some wires between the two units, and some more tiny motors..... Good project for you too work on.... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] motoring a tender for 944 crane > Steam powered cranes usually had their own tenders, often salvaged from > retired steam locos. It strikes me that it would be a fun project to put > a good slow can motor in a Flyer steam loco tender, so the crane could be > operated seemingly under its own power, once it arrived at a "wreck site". > The powered tender would push the crane around the track. The hook and boom > would continue to be manually operated. > > The drive mechanism would be a challenge to design! It would probably have > to be disengageable for when the crane was pulled by a locomotive. How the > heck can this be done? Gears? Chain and sprocket? NWSL parts and gears? > What motors might be best? How would you do it? > > You could simply put a knuckle coupler on the front of the powered tender > if you wanted to use a 944 in collectible condition, but if you use a less > valuable repaint you could convert the 944 to a steam crane (steam chimney > instead of diesel stack, other minor body changes) and add top and ditch > lights and even a SMOKE UNIT. I would go for a Seuthe or even a fan driven > MTH smoke unit for this app. The smoke unit could be located in the tender > if necessary, with a little rubber hose connecting them. > > You would also need a reverse unit or DCC decoder in the tender. lf you > use DCC the crane lights and smoke could be separately controlled. A > working backup light on the tender would be good. > > Then you would be able to tow the crane to a work site as part of a train, > uncouple it, and go to work cleaning up the wreck onto a few idler flat > cars. > > What do you think? > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31960	From: geep39	Date: 8/9/2004
Subject: bulbs in 720 Switches

First of all, shouldn't you be using 1447 bulbs? They're 18 volt, unlike the 14 volt of the 1449's. I might also suggest replacing all of them with 2447 bulbs--24 volts. They're a little less bright, but they definitely run cooler and won't deform the colored indicators. I would also suggest them in GP-7's and dummy PA's (I learned the hard way on the PA's). Check out Craig Kober at www.towncountryhobbies.com He has those 24v. screw base bulbs, among lots of others, and fairly reasonable.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31961	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: CTT ads

Dear lists: During a recent discussion about attitudes of manufacturers, someone mentioned that American Models was the only S manufacturer to advertise in Classic Toy Trains. Not so. In the September, 2004 number of that publication, on page 17 is a nicely-done half-page color ad by S-Helper Service featuring their latest run of SW-9's. On page 25 of the same issue is the aforementioned, and also very nicely done, ad from American Models showing their very fine General Electric U25b. Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31962	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: If an affordable(under $350) version of one of the following was available, which would you purchase o EMD SD-40-2 o Baldwin RF-16 "Sharknose" o GE U-30C o EMD SD-70M o EMD SD-80MAC o EMD SD-90MAC o GE AC4400CW o GE AC6000CW o Fairbanks-Morse "Erie-Built" To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1346633 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31963	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: CTT Ads

I'm not a "manufacturer" (actually I am with some of the aftermarket stuff I make) but your list sponsor advertises in CTT. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31964	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: NASG last week

Gentlepersons: My reading the S Lists, I have learned nearly all of the names of all that I got wrong. (I have a terrible memory for names. I often get my own kids wrong. Thanks to Sam for the name tags.) Dave and Carla Heine provided transportation to the Silver Stallion for dinner. Wally wasn't driving and had a glass of sherry. Wally paid the check and paid $40.00 for four adults. Cheap. The scale layout Dave, Carla, Wally and I visited after Des Plaines Hobbies "belongs to Chuck West and you were actually on the hallowed ground of the Des Plaines Valley S Scaler's 'unofficial-official' club house. At least it is where we operate trains every Saturday night!" stated Jim of Raisin River. Wally Collins and I ate at Pizza Hut which was only a couple of blocks west of the hotel on Thursday evening. It wasn't practical to walk but was an easy drive. (This is in response to the 'No cheap food nearby' e-mail.) Dinner on Friday was eaten with Richard and Debbie Bendever. I got their last name wrong. On Saturday Morning it was Andy Merlot and Jamie Bothwell. No wonder Jamie never responded when I called him 'Gregg'. And I fear I have botched the last name my Canadian friend again! Forgive me, Andy. Andy and Jamie invited me up to the party but I declined and went to bed instead -- a wise choice in view of how tired I was. I didn't list the awards banquet because I wasn't taking notes. The two that have been listed are John Foley with the Bernie Thomas Award and Craig O'Connell with the Josh Seltzer Website award. Bill Furman accepted for Craig. Bill, Craig, and I are all members of the Connecticut S Gaugers. And there are my corrections. Reporting 90+ miles north of where "I had a wonderful time", Thorin ______________________________________________ From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:01 PM To: S-Scale (S-Scale@yahoogroups.com); S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: NASG last week I had a wonderful time. I got up at 4:00 AM on Wednesday so I could drive from Greater Milwaukee to Chicagoland. I budgeted an hour and a half to get there plus an hour for traffic. Traffic only ate up 15 minutes so I got there before 7:30 AM. I checked with the hotel and was able to check in right then and get my room. I had time to haul in my gear before going down for the tour bus. All tours were done with two of those air conditioned, big, air conditioned, buses with healthy air conditioners. Did I mention that the air conditioners worked very, very, VERY well? (Chatter chatter.) Nice, clean, and comfortable. Good choices, Sam. Wednesday's tour was to the Illinois Railway Museum. The lunch counter was indeed closed. It has been replaced by a dinner building with a cafeteria! I got to ride a Edison GE steeplecab. I got to see Charles City Western 300. This McGuire-Cummings 30 ton steeplecab is being rebuilt! I gathered some good information for my book. It looks like I will need a chapter on her rebuilding at the IRM. That evening I caught up with Wally Collins. We joined Dave and Sharon for a delightful dinner at the Silver Stallion which is a block north of Des Plaines Hobbies. Des Plaines Hobbies was a mad house. It was totally overrun with S Gaugers. The good stuff was flying off the shelves. I spend twice as much as I should have and it is all good stuff. Afterwards I got to see a very nice S scale layout only a few blocks from Des Plaines. (Cue the hisses and boos). I don't remember the name of the owner of this fantastic layout. (End boos and hisses.) It was the end of a very nice, very long day. Thursday was spent at the Museum of Science and Industry. It was nice to see the rebuilt Pioneer Zephyr. The huge layout is nice but, alas, not 'S'. 'S'igh. Dick Karnes noticed the 727 attached to the balcony. He told me that he remembers the 727 being developed and thus before it was new. Now it is a museum piece. Dinner was a nice meal with Wally Collins. I retired to my room and went to bed early. Friday was the river / lake tour for building architecture. Before the tour, the trading floor opened and I shot in. Jettie Padgett was there and informed me he had an SP AC-12 Cab Forward for me. I left for the tour very happy. We boarded the boat about 15 minutes early. The announcer had a story for almost every building. He tried a couple of baseball jokes but the entire boat was 100% NASG convention people. His jokes kinda died. (Who needs sports? We've got trains!) It was a nice trip up the river and out onto lake Michigan. I have now seen Navy Pier from all sides. (The West side I saw from land years ago.) I brought two slices of bread, a tube of peanut butter, and grape jelly. Poor Wally had to help me when my bread container decided to run away. I ate my PB&J while viewing Navy Pier. We got back about 20 minutes early. (We also started 15 minutes early.) The McDonalds around the corner got a sudden rush of NASG business before we headed back at almost 2:00 PM. When I got back to the Hotel, I started walking isles of the trade show. I'm a lot poorer than I was last year so I was more careful. Jettie flagged me down and told me to take the Cab Forward back to my room with me before supper. I went upstairs at about 4:00 PM and opened the box. Two white mummies were within. 15 layers later I had a beautiful, brass, painted locomotive on my desk. I just sat there and grinned at it. I had no way to run it and didn't even have any track for it to sit on. I went downstairs just as the room was being closed for dinner break. I noticed the steak house didn't open until 5:30 or 6:00 PM. I wonder if Sam pointed out to them when our dinner break was? I ended up in the bar with Billy and Diane Wade, Susan Sebastian, and Richard and Debby Belvedere. I was definitely the odd-duck out. Things got even more exciting when Diane and Susan started arguing over who would pay the check. (Funny, they didn't argue over mine...) Back to the trade show! I paid Jettie and continued my wandering the show. Jeff Madden informed me that there had been two electrics for sale that morning but they were both gone. Ah well. You can't win them all. (Two electrics other than AM GG1s and AF/Lionel EP-5s.) Cheer up, Thorin, you have a cab-forward to drool over. And there it was. Behind the sign on Bill Lane's table was a home-made PRR P5a without lettering or numbers. It was crude. The mechanism is an AF pacific complete with side rods. The side frames are mounted to the chasse outside the rods. It doesn't have the correct headlights -- it doesn't have any headlights! Yet it can't be anything except a P5a! After several bids, Bill relinquished and I hauled my unplanned treasure upstairs. Jeff noticed it in my hands and told me it was one of the two electrics he had seen that morning. It sat on my desk all night. Right there in front. IN FRONT of the big, new steam locomotive! A crude electric that cost a tiny fraction of the big one! And it's in front. I sat there chuckling. Saturday I got up with a horrendous back ache. So like all other mornings, I trudged down the pool / hot tub. Ten minutes in the hot tub, 15 minutes in the pool, and five more in the hot tub and my back was happy again. (The chairs in the hotel were not designed for me. I need chairs with unyielding backs that I can lean against.) I would have left the pool much sooner but the conversation with Andy and Gregg went on and on... Great times! I packed up my room while cataloging my new purchases. I got it all out to the car by 10:30. I then slunk half an hour late into the back of Dayna's Rosin Kit Building clinic and saw the rest of it. I visited the Gilbert show that was also there. (Mostly erector sets. But also some Flyer. Prices were very different at the two shows.) Art Dotie was there and looking better than he has in a couple of years. The train show saw me purchase more trains than I had planned -- more in volume than price. A gent (who's name I should have gotten) was with Jettie. He was selling off his cars. He had a napkin with $1.00 written on it. Every time I gave him another dollar, he put another car there. (If anyone knows who this was, please tell me.) Lunch was very well planned. Thank you, Sam. They had a sandwich line in the hall. The food was not overpriced for the venue and was good. It was also close enough that even the venders could dash out and dash back. The show shut down in the afternoon but many were gone by noon. Joel of CASG and I got to talking about my cab-forward. He wanted to know if I wanted to run it on a test track. I have a highrail layout with K-Line 27 inch curves. The CASG modular layout has curves much broader. After thinking about it, I went to my car, got that huge box, un-mummified the locomotive and put it on the track. The shorts started almost immediately. Joel diagnosed the problem as a short within the locomotive. Joe is right. However I currently think the problem is the front truck of the tender as I run it at home. After a brief run it was re-mummified for the trip home. The banquet featured rubber beef. (I don't know if the chicken and fish were rubber too.) But the food was plentiful and good. The ladies were served first. Sam got a great ovation for a great convention. The auction followed the banquet and got pretty rowdy. Bidders were handed numbered cards. Someone asked for (and got) 666. Things went downhill from there. Mine was a smiley face. Although about 1/3 of the stuff went without a bid, good time was had by all. (I expect most of it will sell at very nice prices on e-bay.) When it was all over, I finally headed home. I crawled into bed about 2:00 AM. The next day I showed Catherine my treasures and the two locomotives. The cab-forward headed to the basement and the 4 foot Scale-compatible module. The P5a headed for the mantel. Today I am working on the problems of the cab forward. It is running back and forth on two sections of SHS flex track and the module with the #6 crossover. The P5a is sitting on the mantle, still untested. I have no idea if it works or not and I don't care. I have so many AF parts around that I can rebuild it if I need to. It was a good show. I do not expect to make Altoona but I hope to make 2007 (wherever that is!). I look forward to seeing many of you again at S-Fest in the fall. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31965	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Lionel/AF Dockside

What page in the Lionel catalog is the picture? I found the AF items scattered throughout the catalog. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31966	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Question

Hi Ya'll, Thanks for all that responded to my question about bulb life in my AF 720 Switches. Be"S"t Regards, Dane C. LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31967	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] CTT ads

Yep, you and others are correct. Mia culpa, mia culpa. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Jamie Bothwell <vze4cs43@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:46:03 -0400 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CTT ads > > Roy, > I think someone was referring to AM's add in "Classic Trains" another > Kalmbach publication. > Jamie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31968	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

Thanks. I just didn't scroll down far enough. Examining the picture I see the four sliders the later Docksides had. I assume the wheels are still plastic. Plastic wheels can not be used for electrical pickup. The only time I ever got power to my dockside was when I wired it to a 953 combine which NEVER flickered. Then and only then was it well behaved. However the combination of docksider and combine was much longer than a solitary Geep. It is easier to switch with a shorter locomotive. I did this about 1975. They had separated by 1979 and the dockside hasn't been run since. I was hoping for a loco I could switch with. Even after solving the electrical pickup problem, it still had too much zip. Cheers to those who win races with them. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:44 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel/AF Dockside on 8/10/04 11:19 AM, Marty.Thorin at thorin.marty@... wrote: > What page in the Lionel catalog is the picture? I found the AF items > scattered throughout the catalog. > > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > AF items are listed in the index as being on pages 104~109. Docksider is on page 104. Cheers :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31969	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

The new docksider would seem to be a remake of the Gilbert docksider without any improvment ? , So I am wondering why would Lionel even bother to make this as it is well known that the Gilbert engine was no good when it was new, thats right junk.! I think that this is chance that Lionel has to make an entry level / low cost engine and they will most likely blow it

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31970	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: MR 05 Great Model RR

At 17:41 8/7/2004, John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > Just got a notice from Model Railroader. The 05 Great Model Railroads issue >will have an S Scale layout in it, none other them Ed Loizeaux's "S Scale >Water Level Route" New York Central of course. Way to go Ed. > >John Foley >NASG PROMOTIONS >www.nasg.org >NASG, NMRA,TCA >My S Website >http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31971	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside ...and Smitty returns! ..and more.

In a message dated 8/10/2004 4:03:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ronnat@... writes: The new docksider would seem to be a remake of the Gilbert docksider without any improvement ? , So I am wondering why would Lionel even bother to make this as it is well known that the Gilbert engine was no good when it was new, that's right junk. I think that this is chance that Lionel has to make an entry level / low cost engine and they will most likely blow it A considerable assumption. The reissue will have improved smoke, a (much) better motor with a fly wheel, and directional lighting, as well as the traditional choo-choo -- all for roughly $85 street price. The shell will be fabricated with ABS plastic and in a fashion so as to avoid the screw hole cracks. A 21155 in superior condition and in working order brings about $500 these days, so this could be affordable fun for a lot folks. A Lionel reissue that is a success is the new Smitty the Walking Brakeman boxcar. Done in AT&SF livery, the car is handsome, if not flashy. The doors are now separately applied with latches, rather than molded in. Consequently the car has a sharper, more finished look about it than the original 970s. Like all folks about 48 years older, Smitty has gotten slower and a lot quieter. Smitty is now driven by a smooth motor rather than the more irratic and noisy classic vibrator. An important improvement is that Smitty is now hinged so that if he hits an overhead, he simply tips over. He just clears the roof trusses of the 792 terminal if Gilbert track is used without rubber roadbed and he gets his hat brushed when rubber road bed is in place. A reissue I can recommend. Those who ordered the TTOS Smokey the Bear tank car will find that this traditional style Gilbert single dome tanker with platform has been very nicely done. The graphics are well-applied, and the platform and chassis are painted the same handsome hunter green as the tank, so the split tank construction is entirely hidden. Very sharp! Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31972	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: bulbs in 720 Switches

Subject: bulbs in 720 Switches Gilbert recomends a # 1447 18 volt lamp. I wite a small diode in series with the lamp ( the yellow post & wire at the switch, this reduis the cycles to 30 per sec. you will never have to replace a lamp and thay remain almost as bright ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31973	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

Ron, I agree that the reissue of the Docksider fills a niche but why bother. I'm ordering one but that so I can put my original on the shelve and not operate it. The next thing you know Lionel will come out with copies of the low grade engines that AF put out at end to rub our faces in it. If I remember correctly Lionel also has a new O guage docksider which has a lot better detail in the same catalogue issue. I know that Lionel is hopefully coming out with a new steam engine but maybe its time that we can wish for Lionel to start making something else new that is not a reissue of AF. Maybe an S guage Acela (but on second thought I don't think that I go for $2000 to buy it. I rather buy some brass.). Anway, luck to all. Joe Haughney -----Original Message----- From: Ron Inscho [mailto:ronnat@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel/AF Dockside The new docksider would seem to be a remake of the Gilbert docksider without any improvment ? , So I am wondering why would Lionel even bother to make this as it is well known that the Gilbert engine was no good when it was new, thats right junk.! I think that this is chance that Lionel has to make an entry level / low cost engine and they will most likely blow it S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31974	From: geep39	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Locomotive Poll--How About....

All right, I see that the current poll calls for an SD40-2. I would like to suggest the SD-40 instead. The differences are relatively slight, but since the SD-40 is of slightly earlier vintage, it can be painted in many more schemes than an SD40-2, since many mergers took place by the time the -2 was introduced. I realize that Lionel promised and didn't deliver the SD40-2, but the SD-40 would be a better chioce.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31975	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Bulbs in switches

I have wired my switches to a seperate transformer. I use the variable post and the base post. I can adjust the brightness of the bulb. Setting it lower will prolong the bulbs life. Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31976	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@c...> wrote: > The new docksider would seem to be a remake of the Gilbert docksider without > any improvment ? , So I am wondering why would Lionel even bother to make > this as it is well known that the Gilbert engine was no good when it was > new, thats right junk.! I think that this is chance that Lionel has to make > an entry level / low cost engine and they will most likely blow it I think this has the potential to be a nice engine. I disagree that it won't have any improvements. First of all, it will have a can motor with a flywheel (should operate better than the universally- scorned original), classic Flyer mechanical smoke/choo choo system (some variations of the original Gilbert version lacked this), operating couplers on both ends (many Gilbert versions had solid couplers), electronic reverse unit, and directional lighting. Hard to complain about a scale-proportioned steamer with these features for less than 100 bucks. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31977	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

Well said! Apparently you will always find someone ready, willing and able to complain. Personally I am thrilled to have that much more selection to choose from. I have not even considered buying one of the beautiful new steam locomotives scheduled for sale soon because of the high asking price. I will forgo all the whistles and bells for a real switcher that isn't old and worn out, severly overpriced, and will huff and puff like my AF but run better. This affordable docksider will fill my niche just fine. It could also be the nucleus of an attractive and affordable starter set for my grandkids. Alex srgriggs wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@c...> wrote: > > The new docksider would seem to be a remake of the Gilbert > docksider without > > any improvment ? , So I am wondering why would Lionel even bother > to make > > this as it is well known that the Gilbert engine was no good when > it was > > new, thats right junk.! I think that this is chance that Lionel > has to make > > an entry level / low cost engine and they will most likely blow it > > I think this has the potential to be a nice engine. I disagree that > it won't have any improvements. First of all, it will have a can > motor with a flywheel (should operate better than the universally- > scorned original), classic Flyer mechanical smoke/choo choo system > (some variations of the original Gilbert version lacked this), > operating couplers on both ends (many Gilbert versions had solid > couplers), electronic reverse unit, and directional lighting. Hard > to complain about a scale-proportioned steamer with these features > for less than 100 bucks. > > Scott > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31978	From: roninscho9	Date: 8/10/2004
Subject: Lionel AF / dockside

I didn't really want to sound like I was complaining,I wasn't, I am glad that Lionel is making an affordable engine ( though somewhat over size) & yes it could be in a good starter set, but it is not & why not? I don't know, It's just My feeling that Lionel is not really interested in complete ready to run sets at any price level, as they have yet to produce any flyer track, only remakes of the old Gilbert items. What will be next ? a remake of the Casey ?????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31979	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: New AF, etc.

David Dewey wrote: >my only big complaint is the "new" see-thru trucks, they just look >too big They ARE too big. WAY too big. The side frames, that is. It baffles me why Lionel made them so obviously huge, unless they were "cutting costs" (if they only knew how many sales those ugly trucks cost them!) by using 0 scale side frames spaced for S gauge. The frames certainly look 0 scale. >The 2005 lineup looks very interesting It sure does! A smooth running Docksider? For $99?!? I'll certainly be interested in that, even if I am a modern guy. If the thing is any good, it will probably be impossible to prevent my wife from buying one. >Now where are the Heavyweights????? Sadly, I suspect that the tooling for them has not survived. :^( I've been very critical of Lionel's past efforts with AF (justly so), but it seems the latest batch of owners has really gotten serious. They appear to be making a significant effort, assuming they actually issue what they've promised. I just hope it isn't too late. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31980	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.

In a message dated 8/11/2004 6:13:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: >>>David Dewey wrote: >my only big complaint is the "new" see-thru trucks, they just look >too big They ARE too big. WAY too big. The side frames, that is. It baffles me why Lionel made them so obviously huge, unless they were "cutting costs" <<<< They were made overly large to maintain the same weight as the original Gilbert design, which in hind sight was unfortunate. Do not be surprised if a resized design does show up. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31981	From: keefer1	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Exploding box cars

Help! I need a a scan of either (or both).If anyone has either of these cars and a scanner I would appreciate an email.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31982	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: S Scale Overland NYC J3 Hudson for sale

Hi All, I am in the middle of a steam engine run which includes 2 S Scale brass Overland NYC J3 Hudsons with the 6 wheel trucks. These models are from the mid 1980s in what I call Overland's golden age. It is an absolutely beautiful model with nothing left off. One of them will be for sale as soon as I am done with it. It will be completely ready to run complete with DCC and sound. There will be NO wires running between the tender and locomotive. Everything has been installed in the locomotive. The speaker is pointing straight up at the stack to give you REAL Stack Talk! I have not started the painting yet but I will by tomorrow. I can tailor the model to your tastes if you reply now. The bidding starts at $1200.00. The estimated completion date is less then 2 weeks. Payment in full is due at that time. Please reply directly to billlane@... Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31983	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: My split up, and what it means

I have some Flyer that I am ordered to sell-e-mail me for details. Some pix of some items, too - John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31984	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: My split up, and what it means

WHAT DO YOU HAVE??? BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "john isn't eddie anymore" <druvnik@...> To: "S-Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] My split up, and what it means > I have some Flyer that I am ordered to sell-e-mail me for details. Some pix of some items, too - John Marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31985	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Dockside

The new engine should be much more reliable than the original. I can't wait for these new engines, and plan to pre-order 2 of them as they will work on my new layout quite nicely. I probably will kit-bash or at least relabel one of these to a different road name, CG. At this price, this is thinkable, where on an original in any kind of decent shape, it would be out of the question. Now the big problem, it is targeted next spring, so will it slip and become a moving target like the Mikado? People have been wanting cheap starter sets. How about a new docksider and some k-line cars? Sounds like a pretty cheap starter, especially for kids (of all ages :) ). Now the big problem, patience. Yes, I want it, but I want it now! :( Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31986	From: keefer1	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: My split up, and what it means

I'll buy all you have for a buck.Then I'l llease it back to you for a penny a year. Keith --- john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > I have some Flyer that I am ordered to sell-e-mail > me for details. Some pix of some items, too - John > Marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31987	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Lionel/AF Docksider

I will be ordering the new Docksider. I am very happy that Lionel is at last producing an entry level engine for less than $100.00. We should give credit where it is due. Lionel has significantly expanded its AF line in the last few years and made available many great items. We can question their motives at times but isn't it better to have these items reproduced on a commercial scale than having AF disappear into history? If the Docksider turns out to be a poor runner (and that remains to be seen) I am sure some of our clever "engineers" out there will produce a kit to improve it. John Harvey Beechworth, Victoria, Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31988	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Light bulbs in a 720 (was R: Question)

Dear Dane: Get a second transformer for your lights. Wire the baseposts of both transformers together. With a meter, adjust the second transformer to 10 volts on the variable post. Attach the yellow wire from the 720s to the variable post. Now your lights are running on 10 volts. They will run just bright enough and cool enough to last practically forever. I use four transformers for my layout: the first powers my transistorized throttle and runs trains. The second also runs trains. The third runs only the coils of the switches and other full-voltage accessories. The fourth runs only light bulbs and low-voltage accessories (all at 10 volts). Just out of curiosity, would you please go measure the voltage from the black post to the yellow post on the 720? What voltage are the bulbs currently at? Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:29:37 EDT From: dcupluvr@... Subject: Re: Question Hi Ya'll, I'm having problems keeping bulbs in my 720 Remote Control Switches. I've been using 1449 and they don't last more than a few days of not a lot of operation. Any ideas on how to prolong their life? Thanks in advance Dane C. LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31989	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.

Bob Bubeck wrote: >They were made overly large to maintain the same weight as the >original Gilbert design That could have been done without making them so ugly, couldn't it? If hollowing out the frame openings was all they wanted to do, Lionel could have altered the basic design they had been using since 1979. The change in weight would not have been that significant. It would have looked much better in every respect than the current frames, and much more Flyer-ish. Compared to what Lionel came up with, the old Gilbert trucks could be considered "Finescale". > which in hind sight was unfortunate. Bob, you have a great gift for understatement. :^) It was unfortunate in foresight, and in just plain "sight" as well. "Expensive" (for Lionel) could be said, also. Those ugly trucks have been a deciding factor against my Flyonel purchases more than once, and I'm not the only case. Oh well, I had more money for SHS and AM. >Do not be surprised if a resized design does show up. The ugly redesign was done under the previous Flyonel "administration", wasn't it? The folks in charge now do seem to have more of a clue. Maybe K-Line's S gauge trucks will inspire them. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31990	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.

Chuck, you are just being argumentative. I was simply pointing out their rationale at the time, good or bad as it may have been. It was obvious from my post that I am not a fan of the newer trucks, as well. I believe that I was the first to point out the problem to the folks that currently count at Lionel. In the meantime, I wish you and your K-Line rolling stock much luck and happiness together. ;-)) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/11/2004 6:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: >> Bob Bubeck wrote: >They were made overly large to maintain the same weight as the original Gilbert design >>That could have been done without making them so ugly, couldn't it? If hollowing out the frame openings was all they wanted to do, Lionel could have altered the basic design they had been using since 1979. The change in weight would not have been that significant. It would have looked much better in every respect than the current frames, and much more Flyer-ish. Compared to what Lionel came up with, the old Gilbert trucks could be considered "Finescale".< > which in hind sight was unfortunate. > Bob, you have a great gift for understatement. :^) It was unfortunate in foresight, and in just plain "sight" as well. "Expensive" (for Lionel) could be said, also. Those ugly trucks have been a deciding factor against my Flyonel purchases more than once, and I'm not the only case. Oh well, I had more money for SHS and AM. >Do not be surprised if a resized design does show up. The ugly redesign was done under the previous Flyonel "administration", wasn't it? The folks in charge now do seem to have more of a clue. Maybe K-Line's S gauge trucks will inspire them. Chuck F.<< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31991	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Docksider

If the S-gauge is even half as nice as the O-gauge one Lionel had at the TTOS national convention last week it will be a real bargain. I sure am going to buy a couple. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31992	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Newer AF trucks....

****(((((They ARE too big. WAY too big. The side frames, that is. It baffles me why Lionel made them so obviously huge, unless they were "cutting costs" )))*** ***(((They were made overly large to maintain the same weight as the original Gilbert design, which in hind sight was unfortunate. Do not be surprised if a resized design does show up.)))**** Gads,....I HOPE so!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31993	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Hallmark's Harley

This year's Hallmark Harley is a 1933 Flathead Model VLD. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo46/1933_Harley I know I"LL be picking one up!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31994	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/11/2004
Subject: Re: New AF, etc.

Bob Bubeckwrote: >Chuck, you are just being argumentative. I was? >I was simply pointing out their rationale at the time, And I was simply pointing out that their rational never did make sense, not then, not now. If offering an opinion is being "argumentative", then the world of plain discussion has reached an abysmal state. Sheesh. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31995	From: gma427@integrity.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: SHS Heavyweights/Scott Brown

I am interested in purchasing any 5 car (70 ft) or 3 car (83 ft) heavyweight sets put out by SHS in the early 1990s - if you have any sets or individual cars, please let me know what you have by email. Thank you. Does anyone know the wherebouts and how to contact fellow S gauger Scott Brown formerly of York, PA and Manssas VA? Thank you. Todd Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31996	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Light bulbs in a 720 (was R: Question)

Dear BG1: Special thanks to Craig O'Connell's http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/switch.htm for verifying the wiring. Your description below is exactly right. I assume you are using AF switch controllers and desire to keep the bulbs lit there too. If not, you can eliminate the yellow to the switch controllers as well. There is a problem with the wiring in the black, red, and green. The switches will work fine without the yellow wire as the yellow only powers the bulbs. So take one of the switches, drop the yellow wire, and see if it works. If it does, then reattach the yellow wire and just turn on the transformers. If the bulb lights when the switch is NOT being thrown then the Yellow/Black combination is right. If the bulb does not light then try this simple fix: reverse the yellow and black wires to the switch controller. Now the black from the switch controller is on the 18V and the yellow is on the base post. (This is backwards and I know it.) If this reversing fixed the problem, then someone rewired your switch controller and swapped the yellow and black wires. I don't use my AF switch controllers any more, I use cheap pushbuttons from Radio Shack. (275-1547 Ignore the 1 Amp rating. This is a momentary use. I have been told they will burn out running AF switches after about 1000 cycles. Mine are 20 years old and still going strong.) I run my black wires directly from the transformer's base post to all of the black posts on all of the switches. I run ORANGE wires from the variable post directly to the YELLOW post on all of the switches. This is set to a nice, cool, 10 volts for my 12 volt bulbs. (Why orange? It's not black, red, green, or yellow.) I run a yellow wire from the 18V fixed to one side of each of the pushbutton switches. I run the other side to either a green post or a red post of the switch in question. I do not have an indicator on my control panel showing me how the switch is thrown. I just look. Let me know what happens. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: bull_gator_1@... [mailto:bull_gator_1@...] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:08 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: Light bulbs in a 720 (was R: Question) Thorin, I tried to wire my switches using two transformers, but it didn't work. I phased the transformers first. Then I tied the base posts together. I hooked the yellow and black from the switch controller to the fixed voltage post and base post. I ran the black, red and green wires from the switch controller to the turnouts. I did not connect the yellow from the switch controller. I ran a separate yellow from the variable voltage post to the yellow connectors on the turnouts. The lights on the switch controllers and on the turnouts worked, but the frogs would not operate. I am currently sending 18V to the switch controllers and am using 18V bulbs. I would like to operate the turnout bulbs at lower voltage than the turnouts to improve their life. Would you please post a sketch of your wiring? Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > Dear Dane: > Get a second transformer for your lights. Wire the baseposts of > both transformers together. With a meter, adjust the second transformer to > 10 volts on the variable post. Attach the yellow wire from the 720s to the > variable post. Now your lights are running on 10 volts. They will run just > bright enough and cool enough to last practically forever. > I use four transformers for my layout: the first powers my > transistorized throttle and runs trains. The second also runs trains. The > third runs only the coils of the switches and other full-voltage > accessories. The fourth runs only light bulbs and low-voltage accessories > (all at 10 volts). > Just out of curiosity, would you please go measure the voltage from > the black post to the yellow post on the 720? What voltage are the bulbs > currently at? > > Thorin > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:29:37 EDT > From: dcupluvr@a... > Subject: Re: Question > > Hi Ya'll, > I'm having problems keeping bulbs in my 720 Remote Control Switches. I've > been using 1449 and they don't last more than a few days of not a lot of > operation. Any ideas on how to prolong their life? > Thanks in advance > Dane C. LaBarr > Tampa, FL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31997	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: old street cars

are u comming to Boston to enjoy your vacation. Well this is for you s-gaugers to know of a few old Boston street cars are down under in the Boylston street T-station. check them out! They are perfect to get the real facts on for modelling them into S-GAUGE. Imagine the street car from the first trolley line in the USA. These are later ones circa from in the 1950's the other trolley car is from before WW- 2!! The Boyston st station is at the edge of Boston COMMON --corner Tremont & BOYSTON st's. near the PARK st. T (MBTA)station. its a great take in for S-gaugers--check out the tunnel construction & around u are many original peices of equipment to spot.As for the new street cars check them out also& take a ride from Park st RED line over to South station --many New HAvens pulled in there but the building is still as its front outside wasback in the beginning--its another great modelling item for your talents.thereis a ton of train stuff in Boston to check out. Enjoy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31998	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Bad Request

Bad Gateway: The message has been attached. ++++ Attachment: No Virus found ++++ Norman AntiVirus - www.norman.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 31999	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Jon Armstrong's Passing

In todays Washington Post Obituaries it noted the passing of John Armstrong, well know for his model train layouts, and articles in various magazines.  He previously lived in the Silver Spring area. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32000	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: SHS new SW-9s available for ordering on showcaseline.com

The new run of SHS SW-9s are expected to arrive in November, so they have been added to the SHS website: http://www.showcaseline.com/ and are available for ordering. The new SW-9s now include the option for either LocoMatic or DCC sound systems installed at the factory. The DCC option will be the new Tsunami technology from SoundTraxx with improved sound and motor control. Other new features of this new run of SW-9s include "golden white" LED headlights and interior cab lights. Please take a look at the SW-9 pages, and if you have any problems or suggestions for me to improve the website let me know. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32001	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Lucky find!

Hi Ya'll, Sometimes deals like these DO happen! E-BAY Item number 5914830484 Be"S"T Regards, Dane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32002	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Re: Lucky find!

Congrats.... did U get it??? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <dcupluvr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lucky find! > Hi Ya'll, > > Sometimes deals like these DO happen! > > E-BAY Item number 5914830484 > > Be"S"T Regards, > Dane > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32003	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Hallmark's Harley photos.....

I've added some Harley photos to my album. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo46 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32004	From: doug	Date: 8/12/2004
Subject: Blatant adv: New Flyonel

I won't take up space listing the Catalog 2 items and our advance order prices here, but if you're interested, we have them posted on our website. Just click on "2004 AF Line from Lionel". Our deadline for the lowest pricing is LABOR DAY. Feel free to forward any questions directly to me. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32005	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: S Scale roller test bed

HI All, I recently pointed out an S Scale roller test bed on Ebay. I have been in contact with the seller. I am hoping to get a few more units sold for him because he will reduce the total costs substantially. It will be $234.00 each plus shipping for the bed unit and EIGHT roller sets. This would be perfect for static programming of sound units for those who don't have a big layout. You can arrive at the show ready to run! Here is the closed listing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5911617870 You can see it is a quality piece. If you are not interested in this, I have 2 NEW sets (4 pieces) of the JAKS rollers for sale for $55.00 shipping included. A few of the felt cleaning pads may not be there but a locomotive has never turned a wheel on them. Please contact me directly at billlane@... if you want either of these. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32006	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: ITP and Arch Bar Trucks (Off Topic)

Please forgive my being off-topic. Thorin > ______________________________________________ > > Good Morning: > As you may or may not know, the trolley museum named "Iowa Trolley > Park" in Clear Lake, Iowa is being shut down. Stan Gentry owns the > mortgage on the property and the museum has defaulted. The building and > grounds are available for a little more than $350,000. (If I were rich, I > would purchase it.) > > Inside the carbarn is the hulk of a PCC car, MC&CL trailer #28 (sans > trucks), and MC&CL 102 which is a street sweeper. I would love for this > stuff to say in Mason City / Clear Lake but I don't have anywhere to put > it. (Don't even suggest Dave Johnson's Iowa Traction.) And the stuff > needs a roof. > > The trailer needs a good home. Haul it away and it is yours. > > The PCC Car is San Francisco Municipal Railway 1146, ex St. Louis Public > Service Co. 1763, built by St. Louis Car Co. in 1946. I haven't ever seen > it and I doubt that it runs. It needs a good home. (Or to at least be > removed, stripped for parts by an expert, and scrapped.) > > The street sweeper has to be bartered for. The price is a pair of Arch > Bar Trucks. Stan is having a steam locomotive built. It is full-size > copy of a V&T locomotive. The tender needs a pair of 1880 vintage, > passenger car, arch bar trucks. Stan will accept freight car trucks but > they have to be arch bar trucks. > Just so there isn't any miss-understanding, these trucks are not for > a model. The tender needs full size trucks gauged for U.S. Standard Gauge > (4 feet, 8 1/2 inches). > > So I am hunting for a pair of arch bar trucks. > > I am also hunting for anyone, with a roof, that is willing to take the PCC > car, the trailer, and the street sweeper. I would like this to be a > package as the McGuire-Cumming's single-truck street sweeper is the gem of > the group. I know the street sweeper ran on December 8, 1969 as I saw it > run. It received new brushes soon thereafter. > Stan is a wonderful person who is willing to keep the stuff for a > few more months. But he has some bills to pay and selling this property > is how he needs to get these bills paid. Stan is very blunt that he does > not want to play 'hard ball' and just wants an empty carbarn and his > trucks. > > If you contact me, please be aware that my responses will be delayed until > August 23rd or 24th. > > Please forward this e-mail to anyone who you might be able to help me. > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32007	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Re: ITP and Arch Bar Trucks (Off Topic)

Marty ... I never took it off topic..... Sometimes we need help from others.... Or want to share something..... AND ALL WE CAN TURN TO IS OUR FRIENDS ON THIS LIST!!!! I did when I lost my wife (And I am still hurting BADLY ).. Yes some people bite your head off.... Example I posted an OFF TOPIC on another list asking for advice on where to snowmobile.... WOW the hate mail I got from other " PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE" ( Architects about having no place on the list for ***** like that ) ( BTW I found a great place in Montana!!!... Keep on posting.... and I will catch it for this!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <editor@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <Cdn-E-Rys@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ITP and Arch Bar Trucks (Off Topic) > Please forgive my being off-topic. > > Thorin > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Good Morning: > > As you may or may not know, the trolley museum named "Iowa Trolley > > Park" in Clear Lake, Iowa is being shut down. Stan Gentry owns the > > mortgage on the property and the museum has defaulted. The building and > > grounds are available for a little more than $350,000. (If I were rich, I > > would purchase it.) > > > > Inside the carbarn is the hulk of a PCC car, MC&CL trailer #28 (sans > > trucks), and MC&CL 102 which is a street sweeper. I would love for this > > stuff to say in Mason City / Clear Lake but I don't have anywhere to put > > it. (Don't even suggest Dave Johnson's Iowa Traction.) And the stuff > > needs a roof. > > > > The trailer needs a good home. Haul it away and it is yours. > > > > The PCC Car is San Francisco Municipal Railway 1146, ex St. Louis Public > > Service Co. 1763, built by St. Louis Car Co. in 1946. I haven't ever seen > > it and I doubt that it runs. It needs a good home. (Or to at least be > > removed, stripped for parts by an expert, and scrapped.) > > > > The street sweeper has to be bartered for. The price is a pair of Arch > > Bar Trucks. Stan is having a steam locomotive built. It is full-size > > copy of a V&T locomotive. The tender needs a pair of 1880 vintage, > > passenger car, arch bar trucks. Stan will accept freight car trucks but > > they have to be arch bar trucks. > > Just so there isn't any miss-understanding, these trucks are not for > > a model. The tender needs full size trucks gauged for U.S. Standard Gauge > > (4 feet, 8 1/2 inches). > > > > So I am hunting for a pair of arch bar trucks. > > > > I am also hunting for anyone, with a roof, that is willing to take the PCC > > car, the trailer, and the street sweeper. I would like this to be a > > package as the McGuire-Cumming's single-truck street sweeper is the gem of > > the group. I know the street sweeper ran on December 8, 1969 as I saw it > > run. It received new brushes soon thereafter. > > Stan is a wonderful person who is willing to keep the stuff for a > > few more months. But he has some bills to pay and selling this property > > is how he needs to get these bills paid. Stan is very blunt that he does > > not want to play 'hard ball' and just wants an empty carbarn and his > > trucks. > > > > If you contact me, please be aware that my responses will be delayed until > > August 23rd or 24th. > > > > Please forward this e-mail to anyone who you might be able to help me. > > > > Thank you, > > Thorin > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32008	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: OFF TOPIC

EVERYBODY PRAY AND HAVE GOOD THOUGHTS FOR OUR "S" FRIENDS..... BARB AND OTHERS ARE RIGHT IN CHARLIE'S PATH.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32009	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: The Roundhouse

I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The Roundhouse repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill health. After a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get it done. My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next month's. I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, and hope I have helped some of you in return. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32010	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Re: The Roundhouse

***(((I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The Roundhouse repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill health. Tom Jarcho)))*** So sorry to hear that Tom! You have ALWAYS been a help here on the list!! (and with the "Roundhouse") You deserve a rest! Hope you can pop into chat sometime. Take care, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32011	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla

I hope all our friends are safe and out of harms way. My thoughts and prayers are with. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32012	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: S Websites?

Hi Folks Have an S Scale website? Add it to the NMRA's Directory of World Wide Rail Sites. It's free. You don't have to be an NMRA member. Check it out at, http://cwrr.com/nmra/new_url.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32013	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/13/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32014	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: :SHS new SW-9s (and an update on the 2-8-0)

Dear Greg, We are looking forward to the 3rd run of SW-9s (as well as the SW-8s and NW-2s). At this time, no new roadnames have been planned for the next run. We will be adding another roadname for the SW-9, DM&IR (for the obvious reason) and another NW-2 due next summer, Canadian National. Usually, we do not consider a roadname if we still have that roadname as inventory from a previous run of swithcers. We still have WP SW-9s. The new run of SW-9s will include the code 110 wheels as will all of our switchers. The confusion on which wheels are included may stem from our 2-8-0 project.. The upcoming 2-8-0 will only include the specific wheels that were ordered (either AF comp. or code 110 - not both). After much discussion, Mike and I felt we had to have the steamer be wheel specific. Although it would not be difficult to change drivers #2, #3 and #4, the crank pin screw for driver #1 is behind the cross head assy. and not easy to get to. If you want your pre-ordered 2-8-0 to come with code 110 drivers, your packing slip will indicate your choice. All engines will include our #01295 KD style coupler, but American Flyer compatible drivers will have the AF style coupler installed. We did receive an engineering sample last month that we have been evaluating. When we first started to operate, the crank pin on driver #3 was not quite long enough and the crank pin screw would back out after an hour of operation. We ran for several hours and reported our observations to our engineers in Hong Kong. A new set of #3 drivers was made with the correct length of crank pins and sent to us while we were at the NASG convention where we were displaying the Southern and Maine Central painted samples. We replaced the driver and are now testing in earnest. We were able to pull or push 39 of our cars up and down the 2% grade on our new 5' X 9' display layout (same one we had in Chicago). That was all the cars that would fit on the outer loop with the last car only a few inches from the engine! Last night Mike, John Prior and I took apart the drive looking for indications of wear on the side and main rod. The running will continue and we will be getting together with Dallas (of Dallee Electronics) in the next few weeks for final work on the sound unit. Best regards, Don G. Elems wrote: > All very interesting. Will the scale wheels still be included with this > latest run of engines? Also, is Western Pacific one of the road names > planned for both the SW-9 and NW-2 in a future run? I certainly hope so, > since your decorated models are so nice. I have the WP SW-1 and F-3's > which > are fantastic looking. > > Cheers, > Greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32015	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

In a message dated 8/14/2004 10:19:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:22:38 -0400 From: jarcho@... Subject: The Roundhouse Thank you, Tom, for the help you have graciously given me, personally, and for all of your suggestions, posts, and general comments to make us all think. You deserve a rest, good luck. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32016	From: David Avedesian	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

Tom: I am sorry to hear of your difficulties and pray for your comfort and peace. You have always been very gracious with your time and helpful hints and information. My God bless you and your family. Thank you, David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2373 There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. OFF TOPIC From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> 2. The Roundhouse From: jarcho@... 3. Re: The Roundhouse From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> 4. Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla From: Cbtrainnut1@... 5. S Websites? From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> 6. Reminder - Sunday Chat From: S-Trains 7. Re: :SHS new SW-9s (and an update on the 2-8-0) From: Don Thompson <robin@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:48:09 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: OFF TOPIC EVERYBODY PRAY AND HAVE GOOD THOUGHTS FOR OUR "S" FRIENDS..... BARB AND OTHERS ARE RIGHT IN CHARLIE'S PATH.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:22:38 -0400 From: jarcho@... Subject: The Roundhouse I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The Roundhouse repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill health. After a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get it done. My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next month's. I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, and hope I have helped some of you in return. Thanks. Tom Jarcho ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:09:31 -0700 From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Subject: Re: The Roundhouse ***(((I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The Roundhouse repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill health. Tom Jarcho)))*** So sorry to hear that Tom! You have ALWAYS been a help here on the list!! (and with the "Roundhouse") You deserve a rest! Hope you can pop into chat sometime. Take care, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:57:58 EDT From: Cbtrainnut1@... Subject: Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla I hope all our friends are safe and out of harms way. My thoughts and prayers are with. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:12:52 -0400 From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> Subject: S Websites? Hi Folks Have an S Scale website? Add it to the NMRA's Directory of World Wide Rail Sites. It's free. You don't have to be an NMRA member. Check it out at, http://cwrr.com/nmra/new_url.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: 14 Aug 2004 00:02:56 -0000 From: S-Trains Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:50:10 -0400 From: Don Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: :SHS new SW-9s (and an update on the 2-8-0) Dear Greg, We are looking forward to the 3rd run of SW-9s (as well as the SW-8s and NW-2s). At this time, no new roadnames have been planned for the next run. We will be adding another roadname for the SW-9, DM&IR (for the obvious reason) and another NW-2 due next summer, Canadian National. Usually, we do not consider a roadname if we still have that roadname as inventory from a previous run of swithcers. We still have WP SW-9s. The new run of SW-9s will include the code 110 wheels as will all of our switchers. The confusion on which wheels are included may stem from our 2-8-0 project.. The upcoming 2-8-0 will only include the specific wheels that were ordered (either AF comp. or code 110 - not both). After much discussion, Mike and I felt we had to have the steamer be wheel specific. Although it would not be difficult to change drivers #2, #3 and #4, the crank pin screw for driver #1 is behind the cross head assy. and not easy to get to. If you want your pre-ordered 2-8-0 to come with code 110 drivers, your packing slip will indicate your choice. All engines will include our #01295 KD style coupler, but American Flyer compatible drivers will have the AF style coupler installed. We did receive an engineering sample last month that we have been evaluating. When we first started to operate, the crank pin on driver #3 was not quite long enough and the crank pin screw would back out after an hour of operation. We ran for several hours and reported our observations to our engineers in Hong Kong. A new set of #3 drivers was made with the correct length of crank pins and sent to us while we were at the NASG convention where we were displaying the Southern and Maine Central painted samples. We replaced the driver and are now testing in earnest. We were able to pull or push 39 of our cars up and down the 2% grade on our new 5' X 9' display layout (same one we had in Chicago). That was all the cars that would fit on the outer loop with the last car only a few inches from the engine! Last night Mike, John Prior and I took apart the drive looking for indications of wear on the side and main rod. The running will continue and we will be getting together with Dallas (of Dallee Electronics) in the next few weeks for final work on the sound unit. Best regards, Don G. Elems wrote: > All very interesting. Will the scale wheels still be included with this > latest run of engines? Also, is Western Pacific one of the road names > planned for both the SW-9 and NW-2 in a future run? I certainly hope so, > since your decorated models are so nice. I have the WP SW-1 and F-3's > which > are fantastic looking. > > Cheers, > Greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Naples and Barb...... Off topic

Here is all I can find about her area..... tried to call her but the lines are busy.... http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/home/article/0,2071,NPDN_14911_3110650,00.html Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32018	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!

Barb just called me on her cell phone..... ...... She is OK..... Her train room and home are OK too.... She does have some limbs down in her yard and some cleanup is needed.... but minor.... The bad news..... No electric for maybe a week, which means no water for the toilet... ( She can make trees by candlelight ).... She did have one problem..... trying to remove window coverings she stepped in a bed of Hot Ants.... Suffered an Asthma Attack and heart palps.... OK now..... Thank you God for answering my, and others, prayers to keep Her and Her trains safe and others too...... Bob Chuck.... how did you fare? Me..... zip.... nothing in Jax! Others in Florida???? Others along the coast from SC on????? keep them in prayer too [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32019	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Naples and Barb...... Off topic

IMHO anything to do with the members of the well being of members of this group is NEVER off topic. Without the members there would be no list, the exception being the die hard rivet counters:) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32020	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic/ Re: Hurricane in Fla

Hello Ya'll, Well, Here in Tampa, We dodged the pervbial bullet and came through the hurricane unscathed. Our thoughts and prayers are with the people to our south and east. We were EXTREMLY lucky because if it had gone only 130 miles more to the north before landfall, MAJOR devestation would have occured. Thanks for all the well wishes and concerns from our friends here on this list. Also, To Tom Jarcho: Your gracious help for me personally to get my layout up and running is without a doubt GREATLY appreciated. May your days be filled with comfort and peace. Take care, Dane C. LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32021	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-8-0

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5914914090 I believe this item on Ebay has the wrong tender. Any of you on this list who have bided for it, check out the Greenberg Volume One. The tender is suppose to be a Nickel Plate roadname and the tender is square, not slopping. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32022	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!

Hi again Ya'll, WOW Very glad to hear that news. After seeing the devestation on the TV of the Ft Myers area, I was very concerned. Also concerned about our friends in Orlando and vicinity. Hope all is well with them also. See all in the chat tomorrow evening. Dane LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32023	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) -

Hybrid Flyer!!! What will they think of next?? Looks pretty good with an 0-6-0 tender behind it though.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32024	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: BARB ........... SHES FINE !!!!!!!!!!

I just got a text message on my cell phone (9:33 Calif. time) from Barb..... "Rick, much damage but my cat and I are safe. Train room and house okay....Barb" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32025	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Fw: 21145

Dave is changing the description. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: LOCODAVE2@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: 21145 Thank you Mike, I will correct this in my description. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32026	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-

Well, the seller did say, RARE and it is then! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: mlmarmer Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-8-0 SWITCHER (RA NKP loco, and PRR tender, I don't think Gilbeert would do that even in the last days. jfred mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5914914090 I believe this item on Ebay has the wrong tender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32027	From: starr007	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: all aboard panels

Greetings, I am in need of some A.F. All Aboard panels. I would like to find at least 2 or 3 crossover panels and would be also be interested in some switch panels and some straight track panels . If anyone has some for sale or trade, please contact me at starr007@... Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32028	From: keefer1	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: GABE

Anyone have any repair/wiring diagrams for a gilbert gabe? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32029	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

we ( the entire S gage community) will miss your wisdom and knowledge of A.F. trains. Keeping up a schedule with the Roundhouse column for over twenty years I am sure has been a labor of love. Best of luck in the future. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32030	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Good News for S

To all, There is some good news for S modelers in the Oregon and SW Washington area. Whistle Stop Train in Portland Oregon is again going to stock some S products. I talked with Charlie on Friday and he is ordering some stock from S-Helper Service to get the ball rolling. This has been along time coming but after talking with Don Thompson at the NMRA show in Seattle he is willing to give it a try. If those of you in the local area are wanting something from SHS now is the time to let Charlie know and to help get S on the local shelves. Whistle Stop Trains is located at 11724 SE Division in Portland Or. The phone number is 503 761-1822. Disclaimer: I'm not in anyway connected with the store however I have deposited large sums of money there on occasion and they are really good people to deal with. Let's help'em out. Bob Boring [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32031	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: AF Trucks complaint

Hi A guy sent me this idea when I complained about O gauge trucks on AF cars. He said take the trucks off my K-Line cars and put on AF and the AF trucks on the bigger K-Line cars and it would at least look better. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32032	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32033	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: AM passenger cars

Hi I use steel straping for connecting wood as weights for AM passenger cars. They are cheep. They come in all sizes. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32034	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Complaints about American Models

I have been listening recently about how some people felt that they were snubbed by Ron of American Models and I thought I might add a comment or two. I too was at the Chicago show two weeks ago on Saturday. I did not get a chance to talk to Ron, however I did talk to a young man who was quite the salesman, quite pleasant and informative, kept trying to sell me an IC passenger train, but since I already own a UP 7 Budd car set with the two diesels to match I really was not interested. My point of this post is to say that two years ago one night I might have had a beer two many... A high speed derailment behind my favorite Northern smashed one of my sons AM UP coaches. How do I tell my son that I was speeding?...train should not have gone on the ground, the track was good and clear but it just happened much less, train took a 200 scale foot drop to the floor!!! The dinning car was destroyed, RPO damaged, and a coach - heavy damage to the truck assemblies. A frantic call to Ron with my explanation and he helped me out! I did not really have the money to buy another 4 car set to replace just two cars of the set. Ron sent me some of his prototype cars as replacements!!! Yes when you call him on the phone he might sound a bit grumpy - he always seem to be - so what!!! He delivers!!! That's what matters to me!!! Part of my job is a bill collector for the electric company. I turn peoples electricity off for non payment of their bill. You want to meet rude people, ride with me for a day or two. I have met State Senators, the President of General Electric credit, Lawyers ( I'll sue you!!! - Yeah I know where the court house steps are too!!! Dead beat!!!) etc...Point being everyone has faults!!! The people I meet I am sure are decent folks - just having a bad day. So lets just cut everyone some slack here. While I have everyone's attention I would also publicly like to thank Don Thompson of Showcase fame. I had asked Robin before the show if they could look at my F3 set - A units - no sound - B unit no longer worked. Don had many customers looking at his products yet still took the time to clear a space on his table to look at my engines. It turned out the problem was loose screws - my fault - but the service that I never expected. I had thought he would take these back to NJ with him. Anyway ...Thanks Don and Robin - Ron and Karen I enjoy all of the products that I have purchased from you all!!! Tom Jarcho - My thoughts and prayers... Ernie Mennecke Wheaton Illinois [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32035	From: keefer1	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: john 316

hey d-cup another good find.keefer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32036	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/15/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-

Hmm, well if that's EX+, then mine must be LN. Yes, this should have the NKP switcher tender. It also is '58 only though, as it is set up with the two prong tender plug, and no whistle mechanism (speaker). Finding the correct tender will be difficult! As is, makes an intersting operator's piece. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32037	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Alley Dock Update Advert

Hi Gang, We finally have the loading docks available for Back Alley #1. The link is at the bottom of the modular walls page. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/alleydocks.htm We decited not to make docks for the short walls because they can be aranged in so many ways. One can mix and match the other docks to go under them. On other news, we are winding down our S-scale line. It will be a while before we create another kit in S. We are now busy with other scales. Also, to give our customers the lowest possible prices, as of November 1, we will no longer sell through dealers. All sales will be direct only. Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32038	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: off-topic steam engines

Steam engines off-topic? Yup! I'll have to ask your indulgence, cuz I'm talking tractors, but the steam tractors burn coal and make steam and blow whistles; 8 of them in operation all at once was wonderful. http://democratandchronicle.com/news/0816MN586D5_news.shtml http://www.pageantofsteam.org/ It was as close to a roundhouse full of steam as I ever expect to witness. Brings to life the words that I read about steam engines; soft hiss, simmer, relief valves popping. Two big differences; single cylinder rather than two cylinder, so the sound was quite different; and they were much quieter than their steel wheel on steel rail cousins. When under load though, they still had some good stack talk and flying cinders. The wind was blowing towards the car parking lot. I have a nice collection of gray ash on my roof! ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32039	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Hurricane Charley

Hi All, Thank you to all who have been in touch with me regarding the affects of the hurricane on me and my trains. We all came through it undamaged. We now have power back and what's left is major cleanup. But I didn't lose even a shingle. The Gods were definitely with us on this one. There are still a few of us on this list from Florida that have not checked in so I will continue trying to contact them. For now, Paul, Dane, Bob Conner and I are safe. The offers for assistance from many of you have been greatly appreciated. It is so comforting to know that if I need help, you all are there. As Mike Strickland said, "Without the members of this list, there would be no list". Thanks again... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32040	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Track Cleaning

Hi all: I have one of the SHS track cleaning boxcars with the rotating pads. Any comments on how it cleans, how it cleans best, any solvent use, so I add the two metal plate weights that come with it, operate fast, slow, in-between, etc. etc.?? Thanks for opinions and observations, but please differentiate between the two. Also welcome suggestions on use. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32041	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Track Questions

Hi Norman: It isn't true that AF flanges won't work on all scale track. It depends on the height of the track. I think I have read that the AF flanges MAY work on any scale track that is code 125 or higher. Hey, on the list - any experience with this? I have some code 125, SHS flex track, SHS sectional, and AM code 148. I will try some of the AF flange cars on this in the next few weeks to get some idea. I have only used high-rail wheeled SHS, AM, and Downs cars on these tracks, and they seem to work ok. One problem that might occur with the AF cars - some have deeper flanges than others (or is that only true with some of the AF engines?) nmueller4 wrote: >(1) I've been installing some SHS S-Trax and flex track sections on >my layout. What method(s) do you use to attach the track to the >layout? > >(2) We often talk about how AF flanges will not work on scale track. >Will scale flanges work on hi-rail track? > >Thanks in advance. > >Norman > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32042	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.Com is Back in Business

First we cut enough trees out of the roadways to get the UPS trucks in for shipments and deliveries. Then we put tarp on the leaky roof so the trains didn't get wet. Phone lines are now working, Roadrunner is up and the power is on in this development although, no one around us has it. All we need now is some brave UPS guys to run the gauntlet of downed power lines and happy American Flyer guys will once again be receiving their precious cargo. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32043	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

I just saw this and as a friend of Tom's and admirer of his skills as musician and writer and observation of him as a brave fighter , good father and husband. S gauge is going to miss a truly great man. He does not lay down he keeps thinking and doing...I hope I'll still be able to get him to some shows- Tom Hillery Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:22:38 -0400 From: jarcho@... Subject: The Roundhouse I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The Roundhouse repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill health. After a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get it done. My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next month's. I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, and hope I have helped some of you in return. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32044	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Link Museum

Hi all. This weekend, I have the privilege of visiting the O. Winston Link Museum in Roanoke, VA. It is located at the sight of the Norfolk and Western RR station and was opened January, 2004. The pictures of steam locomotives and associated people and scenery are great. Link's medium was B&W photos. The color pictures somehow look out of place. There is an excellent 30 minute film about his photography and life including a bit of intrigue about his second wife who apparently stole much of his collection, later found in a storage locker in Gettysburg, PA, after she was nabbed trying to sell some of it on the internet. I was especially fascinated to learn that Link also made a good bit of reel-to-reel tape of steam sounds. The gift shop has a package of five CDs with his recordings. I believe most train buffs could spend 3-4 hours in the museum and for a $5 admission, that's a pretty good value. Don't expect much from the N&W passenger station, though. Except for the front, the rest of the building, including the museum, is rather bland and contemporary. The museum is on Shenandoah Ave, close to Market Place where there are many shops and restaurants, and just 4 blocks from the Virginia Museum of Transportation. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32045	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-

The piece has allot of paint chips, in my opinion. But, as a purchase for a operator piece, quite an expensive way to acquire something for a layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay item 5914914090 (Ends Aug-19-04 174900 PDT) - 21145 NKP 0-8-0 SWITCHER > > Hmm, well if that's EX+, then mine must be LN. Yes, this should have the NKP > switcher tender. It also is '58 only though, as it is set up with the two > prong tender plug, and no whistle mechanism (speaker). Finding the correct > tender will be difficult! As is, makes an intersting operator's piece. > S' > David D. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32046	From: waldootten	Date: 8/16/2004
Subject: Tom Foley?

Thumbing thru the latest issue of S-Gaugian, there is a short interview (cup o' coffee?) with a "Tom Foley" who is very active in NASG. The photo looks a lot like pictures I've seen of another Foley. Is the name in the headline wrong and should it read "John Foley?" Just askin' so the guy gets his props. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32047	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Foley?

Phil, You are correct. It is John Foley. John has taken a lot of kidding about it. I'm glad we got the inscription on the Bernie Thomas Award tha John deservedly won correct. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > Thumbing thru the latest issue of S-Gaugian, there is a short > interview (cup o' coffee?) with a "Tom Foley" who is very active in > NASG. The photo looks a lot like pictures I've seen of another Foley. > > Is the name in the headline wrong and should it read "John Foley?" > > Just askin' so the guy gets his props. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32048	From: Paul & Irene Overmyer	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Lionel e-unit part number

In Carl Tuveson's site for the Lionel electronic reversing unit to replace the mechanical unit in AF when converting to a DC motor, the part # is wrong. The correct # is 610-0103-100. Refer to http://tuveson.com/E-unit/eunit.htm Lionel parts are at http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/INDEX.cfm Paul Overmyer Povermyer@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32049	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel e-unit part number

Paul, Thanks for the update. Lionel as usual changes their part numbers for who knows why. The number was taken from their own wiring diagram which is by now out of date. I have corrected the text portion of the page but will have to edit the graphics also. At least the cost is the same and it's still available. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Paul & Irene Overmyer [mailto:Povermyer@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:49 AM To: S-Trains Yahoogroup Cc: Carl@... Subject: Lionel e-unit part number In Carl Tuveson's site for the Lionel electronic reversing unit to replace the mechanical unit in AF when converting to a DC motor, the part # is wrong. The correct # is 610-0103-100. Refer to http://tuveson.com/E-unit/eunit.htm <http://tuveson.com/E-unit/eunit.htm> Lionel parts are at http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/INDEX.cfm <http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/INDEX.cfm> Paul Overmyer Povermyer@... <mailto:Povermyer@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32050	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Foley?

Hi Phil Yes that's me John Foley. John At 23:55 8/16/2004, waldootten wrote: >Thumbing thru the latest issue of S-Gaugian, there is a short >interview (cup o' coffee?) with a "Tom Foley" who is very active in >NASG. The photo looks a lot like pictures I've seen of another Foley. > >Is the name in the headline wrong and should it read "John Foley?" > >Just askin' so the guy gets his props. > >Phil K > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32051	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: Complaints about American Models

Earnest, I guess what is interesting to me is that these shows are designed to market and show off products... I am in a business and it is surprising that someone in business would behave that way at a possible future customer intensive environment like train show of all places... The point of this memo is not to bash anyone, I guess we all have bad days as you say, but I know in the past I have to exert the self control during certain times or I would end up paying for it by business loss... I hope that the AM folks accept the feedback and adjust... I think that is the point of speaking up, is to encourage adjustment, not to bash the vendor... without feedback how would the vendor know if a behavior is irritating? ...it actually is assistance to the vendor and I know I always appreciate customer feedback even if it is negative... The only other point that concerns me is that the group appears to suppress any comment regarding train business vendors that is realistic and may be of a critical nature... if the comments are constructively and politely put, don't you think they should be treated as legitimate and noted without getting into lengthy discussions about "everyone is human" or "everyone has a bad day"... I think it is great that you praise the vendors that help you by going the extra mile... Have a nice day.... and keep training...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32052	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: great stuff

sometimes when u least expect a breakthru the door opens. this morning I came across a e-mail --in follow up ,it signalled the start of better things are comming.! I cheked it out and found a great spot to follow for S-train stuff. ITS the site of mr.TUVESON---its a must to go to regularly ----I want to let u members know his exchange does benefit us with much info and equipment and pictures. a real colorful site. and its 'his work shows' how very important to train modeling; to 'S-Gauge' the "club is" ---happy trails to yeah and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32053	From: roy inman	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] great stuff

Sounds great, but can you forward the URL? Is it just mr.tuveson.com? or something else? Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@...> > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:26:16 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] great stuff > > > sometimes when u least expect a breakthru the door opens. this > morning I came across a e-mail --in follow up ,it signalled the start > of better things are comming.! I cheked it out and found a great spot > to follow for S-train stuff. ITS the site of mr.TUVESON---its a must > to go to regularly ----I want to let u members know his exchange > does benefit us with much info and equipment and pictures. a real > colorful site. and its 'his work shows' how very important to train > modeling; to 'S-Gauge' the "club is" ---happy trails to yeah and > GOD BLESS AMERICA!! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32054	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Carl's Site

Carl's wonderful site is http://www.tuveson.com/ ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32055	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: [showcase line] Track Questions (flanges)

In my experience, SHS code 125 works fine for Flyer, high-rail and scale. The tricky part is the turnouts. The problem with turnouts is the thickness of the flanges, not their height. We have used the BK switches with the intention of running both scale and flyer on our mainline. After much struggle, we thought we were there. The wheels all rolled through fine, but now we discovered that high-rail and Flyer metal wheels short out between the points and stock rail on some turnouts. Ouch! We have not yet gone to DCC so trains run, but it is not a sustainable situation. We have not figured out how to fix the problem yet. If I had it to do over, I would not use BK switches. I knew this would be a learning experience--and we are still learning. :-) Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:29:02 +0200 > From: velapoldi <velapoldi@...> >Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Track Questions > >Hi Norman: >It isn't true that AF flanges won't work on all scale track. It depends >on the height of the track. I think I have read that the AF flanges MAY >work on any scale track that is code 125 or higher. Hey, on the list - >any experience with this? I have some code 125, SHS flex track, SHS >sectional, and AM code 148. I will try some of the AF flange cars on >this in the next few weeks to get some idea. I have only used high-rail >wheeled SHS, AM, and Downs cars on these tracks, and they seem to work ok. > >One problem that might occur with the AF cars - some have deeper flanges >than others (or is that only true with some of the AF engines?)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32056	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/17/2004
Subject: Re: [showcase line] Track Questions (flanges)

The RASG discovered the same problem with some BK closing frogs in code 148. The only answer we have is to increase the gap. This requires unsoldering the moving point/frog assembly and reducing it's width, which increases the throw required for the offending switch. Not a pretty solution. In fact, when we discovered it on a yard module with illuminated flyer cars we decided to ignore the problem for now with the offending switch. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance McCold" <lancemccold@...> To: "velapoldi" <velapoldi@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re: [showcase line] Track Questions (flanges) > In my experience, SHS code 125 works fine for Flyer, high-rail and scale. The tricky part is the turnouts. The problem with turnouts is the thickness of the flanges, not their height. > > We have used the BK switches with the intention of running both scale and flyer on our mainline. After much struggle, we thought we were there. The wheels all rolled through fine, but now we discovered that high-rail and Flyer metal wheels short out between the points and stock rail on some turnouts. Ouch! We have not yet gone to DCC so trains run, but it is not a sustainable situation. > > We have not figured out how to fix the problem yet. If I had it to do over, I would not use BK switches. I knew this would be a learning experience--and we are still learning. :-) > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > > >Message: 5 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:29:02 +0200 > > From: velapoldi <velapoldi@...> > >Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Track Questions > > > >Hi Norman: > >It isn't true that AF flanges won't work on all scale track. It depends > >on the height of the track. I think I have read that the AF flanges MAY > >work on any scale track that is code 125 or higher. Hey, on the list - > >any experience with this? I have some code 125, SHS flex track, SHS > >sectional, and AM code 148. I will try some of the AF flange cars on > >this in the next few weeks to get some idea. I have only used high-rail > >wheeled SHS, AM, and Downs cars on these tracks, and they seem to work ok. > > > >One problem that might occur with the AF cars - some have deeper flanges > >than others (or is that only true with some of the AF engines?) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32057	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR

Does anyone know if the AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR made for the TCA museum was a Lionel shell painted and lettered by an outside vendor, or if Lionel did the entire job for the TCA museum? In other words, is this a real Lionel American Flyer car, or is it a custom repaint of a Lionel AF boxcar?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32058	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: Pine Canyon Kit 2

Hi Folks Just got my Pine Canyon Back Alley Kit # 2 today. This is a extremely well done kit. Many details included with excellent instructions. The castings are very detailed and will look great when finished. At $99 it's a great deal. Don't wait until they are gone. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/S-scale-kits-parts.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA My S Website http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32059	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2004
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR

The uncataloged TCA Museum Penn Dutch Pretzels boxcar No. 6-48489 from 1997, as denoted by a valid item number, is real Lionel Flyer. See page 79 of the 2nd Ed. of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/18/2004 6:49:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ironhorse061252@... writes: Does anyone know if the AMERICAN FLYER PENN DUTCH PRETZELS BOXCAR made for the TCA museum was a Lionel shell painted and lettered by an outside vendor, or if Lionel did the entire job for the TCA museum? In other words, is this a real Lionel American Flyer car, or is it a custom repaint of a Lionel AF boxcar? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32060	From: myflyertrains	Date: 8/19/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Charley

Hello Everyone, I am writing this from work. I read Barb's post and was glad to hear that several of the FL people and their trains were safe. I am also fine, our house had only minor damage, even though my Winter Park FL location had virtually a direct hit. We just got power back yesterday, and with the amount of trees down, and utility pole damage, I am afraid that it may be some time before I get my cable back, along with my Roadrunner Internet access. Since our telephone access was via an Internet phone system called Vonage, I do not have the option of even using dial up Internet access, and don't know if my area has phone service anyway... I certainly miss the group, and I am really going through Internet withdrawal, but have plenty to do here fixing the roof, removing tree limbs, etc... I hope to be back soon! Best Wishes to All! Chuck Harrington http://myflyertrains.org Winter Park, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32061	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: SHS 15th Anniversary Sale and Celebration

SHS included coupons for a series of 15th Anniversary sales to celebrate 15 years in business. Don just gave me permission to include the current sale (buy 5 ore cars or a 5-car set, and get a sixth ore car for $15) on the website, so I have. This sale runs until August 30. Tommy Robichaud of the Bristol Club took some pictures of the 15th Anniversary Celebration in June, so I posted those as well. You can get to them from the What's New page. They are about 1.5mb, so be prepared for some load time. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32062	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Mea apologia, mea culpa

To all the group members who've contacted me re: my pending divorce/collection sale, I am sorry that it hasn't been moving along the way I'd anticipated. I will soon know what I've got, get a list together, and notify the group. By soon, I mean that I hope it'll be before there's 11 feet of snow on the ground!! (before January) So thanks for your interest, and sorry-the System seems to move at its own speed, and I'll adjust. Thanks , too, to all the members who offered advice and sympathy on my situation. - John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32063	From: roy inman	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Frisco 4-8-2

Hi all; There is an interesting story and some wonderful, highly detailed line drawings done to 3/16"= 1' in the current (August) issue of Mainline Modeler. Boy it looks good in S size. For all you scratch builders out there... I can only dream of executing such a project. Cheers :) Roy Inman PS: I am, however, undertaking the KCS concrete arch bridge project in S scale, as shown in the same issue. Slightly compressed, it works out to about 6'6" in S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32064	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2377

I just want to say that I was at the Chicago show and talked to the AM folks and while Ron is not the warmest guy in the room he was polite and business-like and when we talked mechanical details etc he really warmed up. He is at his best as a technical guy and very outgoing ... like a lot of us geeks--Tom Hillery ":I hope that the AM folks accept the feedback and adjust... I think that is the point of speaking up, is to encourage adjustment, not to bash the vendor... without feedback how would the vendor know if a behavior is irritating? ...it actually is assistance to the vendor and I know I always appreciate customer feedback even if it is negative..."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32065	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)

Ben and Dayna, What is wrong with my arithmetic? I get 3/8 inch as being 2 feet in S-scale. This sounds pretty narrow for a fire escape or industrial platform. The handrails look to be not much if any more than 3/8 inch tall. A 2-foot hand rail should be called a knee (or thigh) rail. Just to check, I did the numbers in HO: 1/8-inch is almost 11 HO-scale inches. So, 3/8 inch is just short of 33 HO-scale inches, still a little narrow for a walkway. In N-scale 3/8 inch would be 40 inches. Now 40 inches sounds like a reasonable depth for a walkway... Am I missing something?? Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:15:31 -0400 > From: editor <editor@...> >Subject: Re: Alley Dock Update Advert > >Yes, Dayna, this Tichy fire escapes are actually a little large for Ho & >just right for 1:64. Although, after assembling 15 sets, one does tend to >become slightly cross-eyed . . . > >Best regards, >Richard E. Bendever, Editor >S/Sn3 Modeling Guide >P. O. Box 56 >Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 >ORDERS: 908/304-5545 >www.ModelingGuide.com >SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > >======================l >Bob - check out this url. http://tinyurl.com/4tajq It is Tichy part #8001 >THIS IS AN OPEN GRATE PLATFORM AS USED ON INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND >STRUCTURES. IT MEASURES 3/8" x 3 7/8" AND IT INCLUDES THE HANDRAILS. THE >SEE THROUGH GRATE IS INJECTION MOLDED IN GRAY STYRENE. SEE ALSO 8011. > >Dayna Williamson CEO >Trainstuff LLC >www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32066	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)

Ben and Dayna, Please ignore the previous message, it had an error in N-scale arithmetic. What is wrong with my arithmetic? I get 3/8 inch as being 2 feet in S-scale. This sounds pretty narrow for a fire escape or industrial platform. The handrails look to be not much if any more than 3/8 inch tall. A 2-foot hand rail should be called a knee (or thigh) rail. Just to check, I did the numbers in HO: 1/8-inch is almost 11 HO-scale inches. So, 3/8 inch is just short of 33 HO-scale inches, still a little narrow for a walkway. In N-scale 3/8 inch would be 60 inches, definitely too big. Am I missing something?? Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:15:31 -0400 > From: editor <editor@...> >Subject: Re: Alley Dock Update Advert > >Yes, Dayna, this Tichy fire escapes are actually a little large for Ho & >just right for 1:64. Although, after assembling 15 sets, one does tend to >become slightly cross-eyed . . . > >Best regards, >Richard E. Bendever, Editor >S/Sn3 Modeling Guide >P. O. Box 56 >Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 >ORDERS: 908/304-5545 >www.ModelingGuide.com >SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ > >======================l >Bob - check out this url. http://tinyurl.com/4tajq It is Tichy part #8001 >THIS IS AN OPEN GRATE PLATFORM AS USED ON INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND >STRUCTURES. IT MEASURES 3/8" x 3 7/8" AND IT INCLUDES THE HANDRAILS. THE >SEE THROUGH GRATE IS INJECTION MOLDED IN GRAY STYRENE. SEE ALSO 8011. > >Dayna Williamson CEO >Trainstuff LLC >www.trainstuffllc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32067	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 22, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32068	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: Model Engineering Works

Howdy folks, My address for Model Engineering Works is out of date. Does anyone have the current contact information? Thanks, Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32069	From: polpolk9	Date: 8/20/2004
Subject: More SElling

this is just to let u memebers know there will (is)American Flyer etc train items on the collector auction block (stout"S)dily now.--right on till its all gone from JETS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32070	From: Hannon	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Digest Number 2380 - Model Engineering Works Contact Info

Bill: Here's MEW Contact Info: Model Engineering Works (MEW) Barry & Tammy Higgenbotham 209 W. 1st Street, No. Prescott, AK 71857 870-887-6009(Shop - Ph. & Fx.) Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32071	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: NASG Dispatch?

Has anyone gotten a Dispatch in the last 2 or 3 months? If so when, and what issue? Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32072	From: editor	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Re: Tichy part #8001 (OPEN GRATE PLATFORM)

Ben and Dayna, What is wrong with my arithmetic? I get 3/8 inch as being 2 feet in S-scale. This sounds pretty narrow for a fire escape or industrial platform. The handrails look to be not much if any more than 3/8 inch tal .. . Am I missing something?? ========================== No Lance, you are no missing anything. However, there are time that we need to use an *artistic license* when time come to create our illusions of dreams. Unless a 1:64 person is placed on the platform, the size difference is not that significant--but the result fulfills the illusion. And much like a modeler with "scale down" a structure in order to fit a specific foot print and the fact that Tichy does not make an exact 1:64 OPEN GRATE PLATFORM (these OPEN GRATE Platforms were actually molded for another project & Don has continued to offer them for sale) two kits can be combined to create a single 1:64 platform. Perhaps Don can be coaxed to change his offering so that it is more in line with 1:64. I've copied Tichy in my original message as a courtesy. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32073	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG Dispatch?

Hi Chuck- You should have gotten a June Dispatch (Vol XXVIII; no. 3) a month or so ago. If you didn't get it, please let me know. I just sent the data for the annual August membership directory Dispatch and address labels to the printer this week. The August Dispatch should be ready for mailing soon. Please send me an email off-list confirming your mailing address so I can make sure your address label is being printed correctly. Stan Furmanak NASG membership secretary 717 867-2983 (home phone) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Sat 8/21/2004 10:12 AM To: S-scale; S-List Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG Dispatch? Has anyone gotten a Dispatch in the last 2 or 3 months? If so when, and what issue? Thanks, Chuck Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32074	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Books and Mags - For Sale (S-Gauge Herald)

I needed some space so I am selling some books and mags. I have posted pictures at.. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup02 If you would like any of these issues, click on the thumbnail, then click below the picture at the 'add comment' and use it to place your bid. Just remember I will add $3 to the winning bid to cover shipping. Bidding ends Saturday Aug 28th at midnight EDT. Bidding starts at one penny. Don't go carzy, that shipping cost can add up. Email me off list if you have any questions. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32075	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: Burgled!

Hi All, I can't believe I am writing this for 2 reasons. First, I can't believe it happened, and second that I noticed it just now. I have been to 3 events this year; the RPM meet in Malvern Pa. in the spring, the PRR convention and the NASG convention where I was promoting my S Scale X29 project. I have had the ring binder of my collection of X29 photos on the table to look at. This book has been left unattended. The 3 B&O M26b photos that WERE in there are not now. One of them was a recently acquired PRR Builders photo # E12841. I scanned it when I first got it on 3-5-04. That was just before the RPM meet. I have looked in my usual piles to no avail. I always file new photos right away, especially if they are for the X29 project. They were in that ring binder. If you took them as a joke I ain't laughing. If you borrowed them and forgot to tell me PLEASE return them ASAP anonymously or otherwise. My address is on my Lanes Trains website. If something like this did happen I guess I am glad it was only 3 photos and not the whole book. That would have been devastating to me. Most people know that I am pretty free with my photo collection. ASK me if you want a copy of something, you will probably get it. They did not have to be stolen. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/> Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com <http://www.pennsysmodels.com/> Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32076	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2004
Subject: New track cleaning car available.

We have sent photos of our new track power operated track cleaning car to Paul Yorke to post. This car uses a rotting disk that has a Scotch Brite pad attached via Velcro. It is easily replaced when worn out or fouled by track gunk. We feel this is the most efficient track cleaning car ever made. It will be available for purchase by October 1. We are offering it in two different styles. The first option is to have you the consumer send us any Gilbert or LTI gondola, and we will outfit it with the mechanism. There are tons of 631 and 931 gondolas out there. We replace the trucks with SHS power trucks. It is available with American Flyer compatible couplers or scale couplers. It is also available with hi-rail or scale wheel sets. All same price. The pricing is $90 if you send us a Gondola, or $120 on a new SHS flat car. This is one you really need on your layout. Photos available Via email also. Note: This car is also available in "O" gauge on a new MTH Gondola. Regards, Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32077	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Re: New track cleaning car available.

Photos are at http://s-scale.org/albums/albup03 --- SnSTrains@... wrote: > We have sent photos of our new track power operated > track cleaning car to > Paul Yorke to post. This car uses a rotting disk > that has a Scotch Brite pad > attached via Velcro. > It is easily replaced when worn out or fouled by > track gunk. > We feel this is the most efficient track cleaning > car ever made. > It will be available for purchase by October 1. We > are offering it in two > different styles. > The first option is to have you the consumer send us > any Gilbert or LTI > gondola, and we will outfit it with the mechanism. > There are tons of 631 and 931 gondolas out there. > We replace the trucks with SHS power trucks. > > It is available with American Flyer compatible > couplers or scale couplers. > It is also available with hi-rail or scale wheel > sets. All same price. > > The pricing is $90 if you send us a Gondola, or $120 > on a new SHS flat car. > > This is one you really need on your layout. > Photos available Via email also. > > Note: This car is also available in "O" gauge on a > new MTH Gondola. > > Regards, > > Steve & Sam > S-'n-S Trains > S-Gauge can motors > And S-Video specialists > 3239 Pepperwood Dr. > Boise, Idaho 83704 > 208-376-1159 > www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32078	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Detail Parts Avert

Hi Gang, We now have some of our detail parts from the alleys available separatley. Now you can add detail to your existing scene or expand. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/detail_parts_s.htm Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32079	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Track cleaning car follow up.

I forgot to mention that the cleaning disk moves up and down as needed in order to maintain constant contact with the rail surface. It glides over switches and rerailers with ease and never loses contact. The car will not derail on uneven track or other obstacles. It also operates on either AC or DC current. There are folks on this list who saw the car at it's debut at the National Train Show in Seattle. They can attest to it's effectiveness. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: To the "chat" group.....

......just got a text message from Barb in Florida,.... she has no phone/no internet service (since noon on Sat.).... she most likely will NOT be at chat,.....I MAY be. Rick "Thinkin' up some Fall layout ideas" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32081	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Volume 2 AF Items

Joe's Train Repair is offering the new Lionel 2004 Volume 2 American Flyer at the following prices (excluding shipping costs): Number Description Retail MyPrice 6-48355 AF 2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $42.00 6-48623 Naughty & Nice Hopper 2-pack $89.99 $72.00 6-48039 B&O Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48040 SF Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48537 Nesquik Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48537 Hood's Milk Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48136 SF Alco B-Unit w/Railsounds$ $149.99 $135.00 6-48968 SF Passenger Car 2-pack $119.99 $95.00 All orders must be received by COB Friday, September 3rd. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32082	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: 2004 Lionel Volume 2 AF Items

Joe's Train Repair is offering the new Lionel 2004 Volume 2 American Flyer at the following prices (excluding shipping costs): Number Description Retail MyPrice 6-48355 AF 2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $42.00 6-48623 Naughty & Nice Hopper 2-pack $89.99 $72.00 6-48039 B&O Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48040 SF Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48537 Nesquik Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48537 Hood's Milk Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48136 SF Alco B-Unit w/Railsounds$ $149.99 $135.00 6-48968 SF Passenger Car 2-pack $119.99 $95.00 All orders must be received by COB Friday, September 3rd. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32083	From: garydmccullah	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Model Engineering Works

Bob and all, One correction needs to be made to the address. Barry & Tammy Higgenbotham 209 W. 1st Street, No. Prescott, "AR" 71857 870-887-6009(Shop - Ph. & Fx.) Thanks. Gary McCullah Farmington, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32084	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 22, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32085	From: atlantic300	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: AF Penn Dutch Boxcar/Tom Jarcho

Just a few bits of information on the Penn Dutch Boxcar. According to the advertisement in the July 1997 issue of the TCA National Headquarters News, the car was done by Crown Model Products in both 'O' guage and 'S' guage, and that 'includes' Lionel and American Flyer car assemblies. It was done for the TCA's National Toy Train Museum. And also to say I know Tom Jarcho and his generosity in sharing his insight, enjoyment, and expertise of this hobby in his column and here will be missed. I have always gained a lot valuable information from his postings and articles that would not have been available to me to further enjoy these trains. Thomas Hillery spoke so well, and I can only add also he is a good man.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32086	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Christmas Tree Base

I seem to recall someone who had provided pictures of a Christmas tree base that served as well as a station for trains running under the tree (and through the base). Can anyone direct me to those pictures? Thanks! Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32087	From: trainman634	Date: 8/22/2004
Subject: Relettering New Docksiders

I like the new Lionel docksiders but I am a Pennsy fan. Is there anyone on this forum that could redo a docksider with PRR numbers and lettering? I am looking for a pro repainter.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32088	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: John Hustor Cars and K-Line Cars

AmericanFlyerTrains.com is pleased to announce that we are now carrying John Hustor's custom cars at $42 each on the BUY-ON-LINE page and we have just inked a deal with K-Line to carry their S Gauge line - all cars priced at $18 each on the BUY-ON LINE page. Remember, the BUY-ON-LINE page gets you free shipping! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32089	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher

Where can I see a picture of the Lionel B&O Docksider Switcher? I looked at the Lionel and S Helper Service web sites but it was not there. Pete

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32090	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher

Pete, Go to: http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=4 .....and then work your way to page 104. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/23/2004 9:40:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjervin@... writes: Where can I see a picture of the Lionel B&O Docksider Switcher? I looked at the Lionel and S Helper Service web sites but it was not there. Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32091	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: 360 Shell

I recently acquired a box of American Flyer stuff that had been stored in a barn for who knows how long. In it was a A.F. Santa Fe 360 & 364. Both have lost the link couplers (which screw on). Would anyone have those or the side frames with the link couplers which they would sell? Also, the 360 shell has a large chunk out of one side. Would anyone have a 360 shell that is in good shape they would sell, or know of someone who might have this item? Thanks for any help you could give me. Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32092	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Commemorative car

I seem to recall someone looking for commemoratives on the list. I have one on eBay at the moment, Item 5916703009. Lionel 6-9535 TTOS 1977 Commemorative Baggage Car NIB JimA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32093	From: Hannon	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2382 - MEW Address Correction

Gary: Thank you! I guess you would know the correct digraph for Arkansas. I've sent a few things down to MEW using the AK. I'm glad the Post Office goes by Zip Code almost exclusively. But eventually, I'm sure they'll start "interpreting" the state codes on letters and packages. And that could be a real problem for if I don't get a grip on these state abbreviations. Thanks again, Bob Hannon > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:03:48 -0000 > From: "garydmccullah" <gmccullah@...> > Subject: Model Engineering Works > > Bob and all, > One correction needs to be made to the address. > Barry & Tammy Higgenbotham > 209 W. 1st Street, No. > Prescott, "AR" 71857 > 870-887-6009(Shop - Ph. & Fx.) > Thanks. > Gary McCullah > Farmington, AR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32094	From: Paul	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: State Abbreviations

You might want to bookmark or print this list, if you ship stuff. http://www.usps.com/ncsc/lookups/abbreviations.html#states ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32095	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Penn Dutch and others

I would like to hear other opinions on whether or not you think the Penn Dutch boxcar is a legitimate factory car. The original question posed by ironhorse061252 was whether this is a "Lionel shell painted and lettered by an outside vendor, or if Lionel did the entire job for the TCA museum? In other words, is this a real Lionel American Flyer car, or is it a custom repaint of a Lionel AF boxcar?" Bob Bubeck answered these questions by stating that because it was assigned a stock number it is a valid factory car. Personally, I disagree. Just because Lionel chose to give this car a number does not make it a "factory car". There are a number of other Lionel Flyer cars in Flyer boxes that were painted and lettered by outside vendors for the TCA and other groups. These were not assigned numbers by Lionel (that I know of) yet they are essentially the same type car. Is it because new management at Lionel found it easier to keep track of this order for the TCA by giving it a stock number? What do you think? Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32096	From: dfsmith26@att.net	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Picture of B&O Docksider Switcher

-------------- Original message from rbubeck327@...: -------------- > Pete, > > Go to: > > http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=4 > > > .....and then work your way to page 104. Hope this helps. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > In a message dated 8/23/2004 9:40:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pjervin@... writes: > Where can I see a picture of the Lionel B&O Docksider Switcher? I looked > at the Lionel and S Helper Service web sites but it was not there. > > Pete > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32097	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5916752245&rd=1 This is on Ebay. I am just curious, if the item has never been removed from the box, how did the door pins break so soon, as I know this item had problems with those pins from being removed and put back into the box. But the very first time from the factory could cause them to break, as it was put into this box? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32098	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: FS plasticville

hi,,,selling off more plasticville,email me for list,,,,,thanks lou. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32099	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F.

Lots of these are NRFB and have broken pins.... the way they were packed and the way the pins pressed against the cardboard they broke off very easy..just stacking boxes could do it.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5916752245&r d=1 > > This is on Ebay. > > I am just curious, if the item has never been removed from the box, how did the door pins break so soon, as I know this item had problems with those pins from being removed and put back into the box. But the very first time from the factory could cause them to break, as it was put into this box? > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32100	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: AF Penn Dutch Boxcar/Tom Jarcho

I e-mailed Todd Wagner of Lionel and he has confirmed that the painting of the Penn Dutch Pretzels box car was done by an outside vendor (Crown -- mostly likely, or Pleasant Valley). In most instances, a society or commemorative car has been a complete Lionel product when it has been assigned a logically sequenced item number. However, there are exceptions to every rule (right?) and this car along with a few other examples (such as the recent NETCA TOFC issue) were decorated by an outside vendor. When Lionel supplies unique unpainted parts for this purpose, it is given an "official" catalog number. Bob Bubeck PS: Folks can do what they want, of course, but given this confirmation of pedigree, I personally would not spend a huge mountain of cash on a 6-48489. In a message dated 8/22/2004 7:17:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, atlantic300@... writes: Just a few bits of information on the Penn Dutch Boxcar. According to the advertisement in the July 1997 issue of the TCA National Headquarters News, the car was done by Crown Model Products in both 'O' gauge and 'S' gauge, and that 'includes' Lionel and American Flyer car assemblies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32101	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Showcase Line Internet Special

Here's a great deal: S Helper Service has agreed to let me post a series of Internet Specials over the next 2 weeks. Each special will last for half a week, when the next special starts. I'll post the new specials Sunday and Thursday. If they work well, they might let me continue them! I just posted the first one: Kahn 40' Billboard reefer, 25% off, $29.95, Internet only. To add a little more excitement, the 12th Internet Special order will be free! Check it out here: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32102	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9

----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <strains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 5916752245 (Ends Aug-29-04 202028 PDT) - 9700 S.F. Thanks to Ron, Bob, Mark (Off the list) and Obie (Off the list) for their answers, as they wrote they broke off at the factory being placed in the box. I didn't realize that the problem was that bad for Lionel to have many of them break at the factory being placed in the box, as I knew they did break in time. Thanks! Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32103	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Relettering New Docksiders

trainman634 wrote: >I like the new Lionel docksiders but I am a Pennsy fan. Is there >anyone on this forum that could redo a docksider with PRR numbers and >lettering? I am looking for a pro repainter. > > > I agree. I plan to reletter at least one of my Docksiders to CG, Central Of Georgia. It would have been nice if Lionel had offered these engines unlettered. Not that I am complaining mind you, I will be glad to get good running Docksiders lettered for any roadname. I have been making homemade decals of late using my computer and inkjet printer. Micromark sells white and clear decal paper, and they are the old fashioned decals, not stickers. You soak them in water and they slide off the backing, just like those old Revel kits! You do have to spray a sealer on them after you print them, so that the ink does not run off when you get them wet. I already bought some plastic tender shells from Hobby Surplus, and have applied my CG decals to them. I am going to swap out the original tender shells, and put the originals away for safe keeping. Results, custom lettered Gilbert trains, without damaging their value! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32104	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: Re: Relettering New Docksiders

The best PA-Repaints I have seen are done by Jim Hill. Jim is a TCA member and has a table in the Blue Hall at the York train meets. You can contact him after 6 PM at 570-726-6826. I have also pasted a link below, I can never get them to wrap right so you may have to type it in. Lou Baldi http://www.track2.com/pa/contacts.vendors.shtml#hill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes6464@n...> wrote: > I like the new Lionel docksiders but I am a Pennsy fan. Is there > anyone on this forum that could redo a docksider with PRR numbers and > lettering? I am looking for a pro repainter.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32105	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/23/2004
Subject: S Scale NYC J3 Hudson for sale

Hi All, I have just listed an Overland S Scale brass Hudson for sale. Please give it a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5916888210 Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32106	From: wjwagner2002	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Building an Elevated Loop

Hi, I am building an elevated loop to run a subway train on. I don't merely want to set the track on the trestle supports (too easy and quick!) Instead I hope to build something that looks a bit more like a real elevated line platform. Can anyone refer me to a website (or book) that might show me plans for building the supports and track platforms (especially curves) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32107	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Docksiders, etc

Just a reminder that Labor Day is approaching, and that's our cutoff date for the lowest Advance-order pricing on the Lionel Catalog 2 items.....Docksiders (@ $85!) are, of course, the biggest hit of the year! And Mike....yes, the couplers, etc, for the 360-361 engines are available. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32108	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Docksiders, etc.

Sorry....Forgot to note that all items are shown, with pricing, on our website. http://www.portlines.com Then click on the "2004 AF Line from Lionel". We can also supply ANYTHING from the catalog, regardless of scale, if you're interested in any O items. Note that the Carousel is re-cataloged. That was a VERY popular item when it was first released, and it IS a good fit on an S layout, unlike some of their other amusement-park accessories. <<<Just a reminder that Labor Day is approaching, and that's our cutoff date for the lowest Advance-order pricing on the Lionel Catalog 2 items.....Docksiders (@ $85!) are, of course, the biggest hit of the year! >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32109	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: stolen photo update

Hi All, I just talked to Dan, my partner in Pennsy S Models. He said he was sure the photos were in my ring binder during the NASG convention in Chicago. It is VERY disturbing to me to learn I was burgled by one of my NASG "brothers" and not someone at one of the previous events. There is NO way it could have been misconceived that the photos were for sale or worse, free for the taking. It was only 3 photos stolen, but the conventions will never be quite the same for me. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32110	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop

I seem to recall ads for Chicago El supports and decks - probably in HO but maybe in O. They might be usable. Maybe someone can help. Dick Aurora, OH At 08:56 PM 8/23/2004, wjwagner2002 wrote: >Hi, > I am building an elevated loop to run a subway train on. I don't >merely want to set the track on the trestle supports (too easy and >quick!) Instead I hope to build something that looks a bit more like >a real elevated line platform. Can anyone refer me to a website (or >book) that might show me plans for building the supports and track >platforms (especially curves) Any help would be appreciated. >Thanks >Walt > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32111	From: jackotrains	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set

About two weeks ago I purchased on ebay a #21205 B & M F-9 in what the seller said was in very good condition. Well it arrived today and I have never been so pleased with a "very good condition" car. The engine is in like new condition with no cracks or blemishes. I now want to make a set as shown in the 1961-62 catalog that shows this engine with a NYC Hay Jector Car, a Hooker One Dome Tank Car and a Caboose. Does anyone know the Number of the Caboose. The set number is 20710 the "THE BULLET"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32112	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set

The caboose in this set should be #24636. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32113	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop

Yes, I saw some photos of a stamped metal Chicago style el on the toytrains list that were very nice if you don't mind a little bit of a tinplate look. Made from stamped metal (tinplate) for O ga, but useable in S, or possibly you could get it custom made. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32114	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2004
Subject: Re: AF#21205-B&M F9 Set

In a message dated 8/24/2004 3:38:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, joppdp@... writes: Does anyone know the Number of the Caboose. The set number is 20710 the "THE BULLET" Set No. 20710 contains a 21205 B&M F-9, 25081 NYC Hay Jector Boxcar, 24329 Hooker tank, and 24636 caboose. See page 68 of the 2nd Ed. of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004. ;-) Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32115	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Fwd: S Dealer

Hi Folks Here's a great hobby shop for you folks near SW Minnesota. John >Hi, > >I would like to let you know about my train shop in SW Minnesota. It is in >Downtown Currie. I sell American Models, K-line and Showcase products here >and on the website. ><http://www.choo-choo-charlie.com>www.choo-choo-charlie.com . I have a >fair amount of each in stock. I will also be at train shows in Sioux Falls >SD. and Marshall MN. this fall. I will send dates when I find then out if >you are interested. They will also be listed on my website. > >Thanks >Chuck Skalak ><mailto:chuck@...>chuck@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32116	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fwd: S Dealer

Use this link to access: http://www.choo-choo-charlie.com There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: S Dealer > Hi Folks > Here's a great hobby shop for you folks near SW Minnesota. > John > > >Hi, > > > >I would like to let you know about my train shop in SW Minnesota. It is in > >Downtown Currie. I sell American Models, K-line and Showcase products here > >and on the website. > ><http://www.choo-choo-charlie.com>www.choo-choo-charlie.com . I have a > >fair amount of each in stock. I will also be at train shows in Sioux Falls > >SD. and Marshall MN. this fall. I will send dates when I find then out if > >you are interested. They will also be listed on my website. > > > >Thanks > >Chuck Skalak > ><mailto:chuck@...>chuck@... > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32117	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: what I got? and what I don't got

Hi gang, I've got a small mystery. It's a 290 type boiler with no numbers, wire rails, and red painted windows. It has the same number PA 10886 as all my others and the stamped date is Feb 195X. The other big difference (other than the rails) is it doesn't have the mold line down the middle on the top like my 290s, 293, and 295 have. What's with this boiler? What I don't have is a few junk restoration parts for projects I'm working on. I've revived a Louie the Loader but am missing the little tilting section at the end of the ramp that transfers the oil drum from the chute to the loader. I'm also working on a 23787 log loader that is missing the log lifter PA13A759. It also has a broken house. Does anyone have these parts? Lastly, I'm looking for those link couplers that you removed when you converted to knuckles. Jacques P.S. After years of no visitors, I've had two Flyer guys drop in to see my layout this week. Both left with parts that they were missing. Too much fun!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32118	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Detector

Carl Tuveson, Please contact me concerning parts for your detector. Thanks, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32119	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #2

The first SHS Internet Special is over, replaced by the 2nd SHS Internet Special, a Reading 3-bay PS-2 covered hopper at 25% off, $29.95. This Special will last until Saturday, and is only available at the SHS website. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html The new S-Scale America USRA Composite Hoppers are available as well. I don't have pictures of all of them, but the CB&Q car is absolutely gorgeous! Take a look at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexComGon.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32120	From: waldootten	Date: 8/25/2004
Subject: Re: Building an Elevated Loop

Jim and Debby Flynn have some "tinplate"-looking bridge supports and bridges on their website -- www.ameritrains.com. Usable in "S", I'd say. Click on "Accessories" and then "Bridges" and look at all options. Maybe the answer, or just a starting point for what you wish to build. Phil K _________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@p...> wrote: > Hi, > I am building an elevated loop to run a subway train on. I don't > merely want to set the track on the trestle supports (too easy and > quick!) Instead I hope to build something that looks a bit more like > a real elevated line platform. Can anyone refer me to a website (or > book) that might show me plans for building the supports and track > platforms (especially curves) Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks > Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32121	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Discontinued Kits Advert

Hi Gang, We have discontinued some of our S-scale kits. If you would like to get one, we have a very few left of each. Last round for these kits. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/S-scale-kits-parts.htm Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32122	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2385

Gilbert puzzle: Just run across a " TOPSY TURVY RIVETS" ,pasteboard case, glass top, in excellent condition. If some one collects these, contact me off line, we can deal. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32123	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2383

I have seen a several layouts that use Erector parts to build all sorts of structures including elevated track. The look very good. The bare parts can be had for pretty reasonable prices. It's the sets with good boxes and inserts that get the big bucks. And it's Gilbert made! Bruce Reply to: Message: 19 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:56:31 -0000 From: "wjwagner2002" <wjwagner@...> Subject: Building an Elevated Loop Hi, I am building an elevated loop to run a subway train on. I don't merely want to set the track on the trestle supports (too easy and quick!) Instead I hope to build something that looks a bit more like a real elevated line platform. Can anyone refer me to a website (or book) that might show me plans for building the supports and track platforms (especially curves) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32124	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: New Ohio hobby shop with S

Hi Folks Here's a new hobby shop in the Dayton Ohio area, Elizabeth Station Toy Trains http://www.elizabethstation.com/ Plenty of S. If you plan on attending the S Spree http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/spree05.html next year this would be a great place to visit. Directions to the shop is at their website. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32125	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Green Pullmans

Hi Folks The NASG green heavyweight Pullman's are sold out in both body styles. We still have some Canadian Nation, 2 tone gray, and Tuscan in both body styles. For more information go to, http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32126	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947

Good afternoon: I am hunting a copy of "The Model Railroader" magazine from December 1947. I have part of this issue. Someone cut out pages 997 - 1004 which is most of an article on building Waterloo, Cedar Falls, and Northern car 101. However, this is not the complete article. Does anyone have a copy of this magazine? May I get a photocopy of the complete article? I am quite willing to pay a reasonable cost. The pages I do have has construction instructions, photos, and full drawings (interior and out). The plans are in 3/16 inch scale, no less! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32127	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947

Marty and anyone else looking for a magazine: Try this place : www.bigchickenbarn.com Send them a email with your request. They are in Ellsworth, Maine and they have a upstairs with just about every magazine in the world. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32128	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] DCC Sound for 2-8-0 (was Re: SHS Internet Specia

Dear John, Yes, Soundtraxx will be getting the heads up once we have the final engineering samples. They are now working on the Switcher DCC/DC sound units and we were told by Steve and Nancy that they would all include the new Tsunami technology that will allow both DC and DCC operation. An interesting story on the 2-8-0 sound did happen on the visit to Dallee (mfg. of the LocoMatic sound system) last Tuesday. We left the Southern 2-8-0 operating sample for his to test. Dallas had a recording supplied by Bob Board (of All Aboard Railroad fame) of some B&O steamers. Of course I asked if Bob had found recording for our E-27 consolidation. Dallas said he had not, but he had a range of B&O engines we could choose. Mike and I sat down getting ready to evaluate and choose which sounds we wanted to use for the bell, whistle and chuff. Dallas said the first sounds were from a B&O D-2. I think I started to laugh when I heard him mention the D-2 and asked him if he knew the wheel arrangement. Being a die hard Reading fan, Dallas had no idea. I then explained how the B&O did not purchase any new 0-8-0s, but rebuilt them out of 2-8-0s. From my research, I knew the B&O D-2s were made from E-27s. I was very happy. Don John Gibson wrote: > Don: > > Thanks for the quick response to my question. > > Of course, your response raised more questions. <VBG> > > Who is doing the DCC sound for the 2-8-0? If it is Soundtraxx, will > the sound unit be the new Tsunami? If so, do you anticipate a delay > in offering the DCC Sound versions of the 2-8-0? > > Many thanks! > > - John Gibson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32129	From: doug	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: Re: what I got? and what I don't got

We have ALL of those parts, Jacques..... << From: Jollivier4@... Subject: what I got? and what I don't got Hi gang, I've revived a Louie the Loader but am missing the little tilting section at the end of the ramp that transfers the oil drum from the chute to the loader. I'm also working on a 23787 log loader that is missing the log lifter PA13A759. It also has a broken house. Does anyone have these parts? Lastly, I'm looking for those link couplers that you removed when you converted to knuckles.>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32130	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/26/2004
Subject: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

I received my K-line catalogue today. In thumbing through it I noticed that the Challenger and Allegheny were 1:58 (as opposed to 1:48 or 1:64). The catalogue notes that it will operate on 0-31 track. Some of you O guage experienced guys, does that mean it will opperate on 31 inch diameter track? If so then it should operate on AF 39 inch diameter track? If not, then will it operate on K-line's 58 diameter track? Then the next question, how far off is it from 1:64 in the real world? Is is on the small side of being 1:58? Exactly 1:58? or to the large side of 1:58? S guage wise, how wide is it? Scale 10 feet? Scale 12 feet? Has anyone tried to machine down the block that the drive wheels are mounted to? Shorten the wheel shafts? Or use a driver set for AM, S-Loco or SHS? It would make an interesting project for someone if the height, width and length were close to scale. By the way, last year someone on this list was building an articulated. What ever happened to it? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32131	From: Dave W	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Corgi Brit streetcar

G'day gang, This might be old news, but here's an interesting model. It could be Americanised and parked in front of your Union Station, yes? http://www.tramways.freeserve.co.uk/Models/Makersos/Osho.htm "Corgi have produced a model of the 3 window Dick-Kerr Type Preston cars in both open top and enclosed top form in a multitude of different liveries for 'The Corgi Classics' range. The scale of the model is not stated but it appears to be about 1:66 which is quite noticeably larger than OO gauge and close to S-Scale." I posted the pic under "Corgi tram" Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32132	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Off-topic (mostly for Bill Tefts, but also for the Sun. Chat group)

Hey y'all and nDb, That Player Grand Piano is now sitting (on it's side still, Oh well) in my garage! Spent all morning moving it from it's former home, had to take the botton trim off, and pull the roll drawer off, but it's now here! Required train content: The only space for it was in front of my AF storage shelves, so now I really can't get to some of my train stuff! Pics in the album later, I gotta go do some other work first. BTW, if you haven't seen this puppy yet, check out my album in the S-trains albums of "S Friends." S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

Answer to all.... Yes it is slightly bigger the "S" but alone or with K-Line cars looks ok..... Yes there is a fellow who does the complete conversion for around 400.00.... his name slips me right..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > I received my K-line catalogue today. In thumbing through it I noticed that the Challenger and Allegheny were 1:58 (as opposed to 1:48 or 1:64). The catalogue notes that it will operate on 0-31 track. > > Some of you O guage experienced guys, does that mean it will opperate on 31 inch diameter track? If so then it should operate on AF 39 inch diameter track? If not, then will it operate on K-line's 58 diameter track? > > Then the next question, how far off is it from 1:64 in the real world? Is is on the small side of being 1:58? Exactly 1:58? or to the large side of 1:58? S guage wise, how wide is it? Scale 10 feet? Scale 12 feet? > > Has anyone tried to machine down the block that the drive wheels are mounted to? Shorten the wheel shafts? Or use a driver set for AM, S-Loco or SHS? > > It would make an interesting project for someone if the height, width and length were close to scale. > > By the way, last year someone on this list was building an articulated. What ever happened to it? > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32134	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

There is a person that does this but don't bother to call him he does not answer his calls.I have called him at least 6 times to see where the tender for my camel back is that he was to send me after York, no reply.I bought it at York but he did not have the tender I wanted. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > Answer to all.... Yes it is slightly bigger the "S" but alone or with K-Line > cars looks ok..... Yes there is a fellow who does the complete conversion > for around 400.00.... his name slips me right..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:21 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > > > > I received my K-line catalogue today. In thumbing through it I noticed > that the Challenger and Allegheny were 1:58 (as opposed to 1:48 or 1:64). > The catalogue notes that it will operate on 0-31 track. > > > > Some of you O guage experienced guys, does that mean it will opperate on > 31 inch diameter track? If so then it should operate on AF 39 inch diameter > track? If not, then will it operate on K-line's 58 diameter track? > > > > Then the next question, how far off is it from 1:64 in the real world? Is > is on the small side of being 1:58? Exactly 1:58? or to the large side of > 1:58? S guage wise, how wide is it? Scale 10 feet? Scale 12 feet? > > > > Has anyone tried to machine down the block that the drive wheels are > mounted to? Shorten the wheel shafts? Or use a driver set for AM, S-Loco or > SHS? > > > > It would make an interesting project for someone if the height, width and > length were close to scale. > > > > By the way, last year someone on this list was building an articulated. > What ever happened to it? > > > > bigfoot > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32135	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 29, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32136	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

The grim, but honest and realistic response is that if you want to have the selection of trains and nifty features available to O gaugers, then "do" O gauge. I do both S and O because I'll be dead and gone before all of the goodies I've always dreamt about having (and now do have in O) are ever done in S. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/27/2004 6:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: I received my K-line catalogue today. In thumbing through it I noticed that the Challenger and Allegheny were 1:58 (as opposed to 1:48 or 1:64). The catalogue notes that it will operate on 0-31 track. Some of you O gauge experienced guys, does that mean it will operate on 31 inch diameter track? If so then it should operate on AF 39 inch diameter track? If not, then will it operate on K-line's 58 diameter track? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32137	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

I think you are referring to Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive Works. Unfortunately, I have had the same experience with him. Since shipping my K-Line Big Boy to him in May along with a deposit check for the conversion work, I have yet to receive a status report on the progress (and I have left at least three voice messages on his answering machine). He made himself available to talk to me before I sent the engine to him, and at that time he told me he had seven engines awaiting conversion. He said he was waiting for a few more before beginning because the machine shop he deals with likes to work in batches). Is anyone else waiting for a Big Boy conversion from Ballston Locomotive Works? Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A Persing" <bobville@p...> wrote: > There is a person that does this but don't bother to call him he does not > answer his calls.I have called him at least 6 times to see where the tender > for my camel back is that he was to send me after York, no reply.I bought it > at York but he did not have the tender I wanted. Bob Persing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "A.E. Johnson" > <bigfoot@c...> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > > > > Answer to all.... Yes it is slightly bigger the "S" but alone or with > K-Line > > cars looks ok..... Yes there is a fellow who does the complete conversion > > for around 400.00.... his name slips me right..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32138	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger

I too had spoken with him once at York TCA.... Last Oct.... He said about the same thing.... the machine guy only wanted to do several at a time.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger > I think you are referring to Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive > Works. Unfortunately, I have had the same experience with him. > Since shipping my K-Line Big Boy to him in May along with a deposit > check for the conversion work, I have yet to receive a status report > on the progress (and I have left at least three voice messages on his > answering machine). He made himself available to talk to me before I > sent the engine to him, and at that time he told me he had seven > engines awaiting conversion. He said he was waiting for a few more > before beginning because the machine shop he deals with likes to work > in batches). > > Is anyone else waiting for a Big Boy conversion from Ballston > Locomotive Works? > > Scott > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A Persing" <bobville@p...> > wrote: > > There is a person that does this but don't bother to call him he > does not > > answer his calls.I have called him at least 6 times to see where > the tender > > for my camel back is that he was to send me after York, no reply.I > bought it > > at York but he did not have the tender I wanted. Bob Persing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > > To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "A.E. Johnson" > > <bigfoot@c...> > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > > > > > > > Answer to all.... Yes it is slightly bigger the "S" but alone or > with > > K-Line > > > cars looks ok..... Yes there is a fellow who does the complete > conversion > > > for around 400.00.... his name slips me right..... Bob > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32139	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2004
Subject: Baldwins

Here's another unsolicited testimonial of the Baldwin can motor conversion. In a message dated 08/27/2004 4:05:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ronnat@... writes: I got the kits yesterday & installed them, WOW! what a difference, now for the first time in over 40 years I can actually run them with out overheating or smoking, Thanks for making these kits available. Ron Reminder: The new S-'n-S track cleaning cars are now available as a Gondola, (Yours) or mounted on a new SHS flat car. We have just bought several gondolas (Gilbert) from a dealer in Calif. that we met at the TTOS national. All steps are intact on all of them (would that matter)? If you don't have one to send us for conversion, you can get one of these already mounted. Send us your gondola....$90, buy ours....$99. Mounted on a new SHS flat car $120. (several road names available) Send us your gondola. We send it back as a track cleaner of superior function. Delivery date is scheduled for no later than Oct. 1. Available in "O" gauge too. This is one that really works folks. Clean out your tunnels, and other hard to get places on your layout without lifting a finger. No chemicals needed. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32140	From: trainman634	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: Lionel B&O Cabooses

How many B&O cabooses did Lionel manufacture in S-Gauge?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32141	From: editor	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: "Welcome to the 1:64 scale Modeling Guide magazine On-Line! " )blat

"Welcome to the 1:64 scale Modeling Guide magazine On-Line! " Browsers are always welcome, Subscribers are Adored! Please feel free to visit our 1st Anniversary Make-Over along with our *new* e- commerce Verisign Secure purchasing program (CLICK the *Sign In* button above to enter your information only one time!). As always, we appreciate your feedback and preferences as we grow this publication. After all, without you, we are nothing! FYI We will leave very early for the NG Convention Sept 1 & return Sept 6, but we are always available for your renewals & subscriptions! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32142	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #3

I just posted the 3rd SHS Internet Special, a DRG TOFC at 25% off, $44.95. This Special will last until Wednesday. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html The new S-Scale America Gunderson Husky Stack Well Cars are available as well. These modern cars are extremely well done. Check them out at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexGunderson.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32143	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/28/2004
Subject: Announce Photo Gallery Space Available!

I am happy to be able to announce the next phase of the expansion of MyFlyerTrains.Org. I now have Photo Galleries available for viewing and uploading! The "Albums feature" on MyFlyerTrains.Org, uses the same software that Paul Yorke has used in his Photo Galleries, and so should be familiar to everyone. I am in a position to offer a great deal of space (about 8 gigs) to supplement the space that Paul has devoted on his server to S train related Photos. Since web space is a scarce resource, you should not upload identical photos to both sites. Feel free to email me if you would like an Album at MyFlyerTrains.Org, and I will set you up with a username and password and you are on your way. Share photos of your trains, your layouts, train club photos, your scratch build projects, and even photos you have taken of prototype railroad related items. I have started the ball rolling by uploading the first Album, which is the complete set of photos that I took at the Gilbert Get-together at the October 2003 York train show. I am eager to get some more albums started, so email me and get your username and password today! http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/albums.php will take you to the existing albums. Heavy in Erector set photos, but some interesting pictures of Docksider sets as well. (From what I hear, Docksiders are going to be a real hit seller for Lionel!) Chuck...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32144	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: K335 Restoration

I need your opinions on a restoration of a K335 Northern. Currently it is a basket case which I am trying to find all the missing parts, screws, etc. Will repaint the shell & tender. Would this be a good candidate for a can motor & Dallee Electronic Reverse Unit, or would it destroy what value it has? I would guess there are a number of you out there who have done this, but to a K335? Need your thoughts. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32145	From: beebear	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Hello All

Hello All I have been up in Danbury, Connecticut for the past month in training sessions for my new job. I did go to Danbury's train depot and see several different train layouts, Lionel, HO and yes even an American Flyer layout. I wanted to look around for AF stock for sale in the area but didn't have any time. So what has been happening on here? Anything new?? Later John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32146	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel B&O Cabooses

In a message dated 8/28/2004 9:04:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, wes6464@... writes: How many B&O cabooses did Lionel manufacture in S-Gauge? One. No. 9401. By way of merged railroads, there was also a Chessie No. 9400 which says B&O on it. Both are bay window cabooses. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32147	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: Hello All

Dear John, Did you get to go to John and Robin's Train Show in New Haven two weeks ago? Don beebear wrote: >Hello All > > I have been up in Danbury, Connecticut for the past month in training >sessions for my new job. I did go to Danbury's >train depot and see several different train layouts, Lionel, HO and yes even >an American Flyer layout. I wanted to look >around for AF stock for sale in the area but didn't have any time. > >So what has been happening on here? Anything new?? > > >Later >John Frankforther > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32148	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: K335 Restoration

I need your opinions on a restoration of a K335 Northern. Currently it is a basket case which I am trying to find all the missing parts, screws, etc. Will repaint the shell & tender. Would this be a good candidate for a can motor & Dallee Electronic Reverse Unit, or would it destroy what value it has? I would guess there are a number of you out there who have done this, but to a K335? Need your thoughts. Mike Leahy Mike, Many would say that you have affected the value downward by painting it. The can motor Dallee reverse unit combo is a good one for smooth operation and reliability. It would in no way affect the value of the loco because you can restore it back to it's original motor/reverse unit without anyone ever knowing you had put a can motor and e-unit in there. Some people would like to have it with can, and some would not. You will probably get several different opinions from this list. If you want it to run smoothly then put in the can. If you want it to be original then don't paint it. It's a toss up between collector and operator. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32149	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 29, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32150	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: 1 day left S Scale brass NYC Hudson for sale

Hi All, We are exactly 1 day away from the end of my listing for the S Scale brass NYC Hudson I have on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5916888210 I have 15 people watching it and all I need is one bidder! The price is not going to be lowered, and I am only listing it once. Dan said because I did such a good job finishing it, he is keeping it if it does not sell. If it does get sold, I will finally be able to get the roller bed test track I have previously mentioned, and we all want that to happen, don't we? (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32151	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: S Scale Loco Supply Kit for Sale

I do not see me being able to build this Pacific Kit any time soon. Intertaining offers. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32152	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: Re: elevated loop structure supports

personally..after looking around and depending on what kind of money your spending, though from what iv seen S scale is kinda spendy,though HO seems as bad now , so im torn between S and N scale, you might think about Stainless unlimited's custom services off this page http://www.s-scaletrains.com/sbuyer/smisc.html. personally i think their bridgework is right on ,and id bee buying theirs unless there was a better brass kit at a comparable price that was as sturdy. chandos

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32153	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/29/2004
Subject: postwar Peabody Hopper with KCs

Hi all! I recently purchased a small collection of postwar and modern Flyer items. In the lot is a 24230 Peabody hopper with knuckle couplers. Overall the piece is very nice with all steps, nice paint, etc. The couplers underneath do have some oxidation which makes me tend to think the couplers are original (hence an assumption on my part). I sold the hopper to a gent on the East Coast who sent it back stating that "both knuckle couplers do not match ( A C Gilbert made variations ). Also the side frames do not match." Links to the photos of the item are below; however, the photos may be too dark to determine which I have - if you need other shots, let me know. Anyway, today I borrowed a friend's large hardcover Greenberg guide which states that there are 3 versions of this hopper: 1 with PM couplers, 1 with KC something I forget, and 1 with 2 different sets of trucks (which caught my eye)!!! Might I have the 2 different truck version - I think the types were 10 and 11 trucks though I wouldn't know if a 10 or 11 bit me in the ....... as always thanks! Greg Nicholas http://www.NicksTrains.com http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/images/Orange/24230Bottom.jpg http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/images/Orange/24230.jpg http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/images/Orange/24230Top.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Don�t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32154	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

Tom lost his battle this weekend. S /AF has lost a great friend . I hope Don Heimburger of S Gaugian can find a way to reprint a collection/collections of his articles and Tom's family could get a royalty from his labor of love.. I will miss his elaborate floor layouts with his home designed switching circuits, his love of jazz and his general enthusiasm for the everyman-Tom Hillery > Subject: The Roundhouse > > I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The > Roundhouse > repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill > health. After > a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get > it done. > My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next > month's. > > I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, > and hope > I have helped some of you in return. > > Thanks. > > Tom Jarcho > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32155	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

***((( Tom lost his battle this weekend. S /AF has lost a great friend . I hope Don Heimburger of S Gaugian can find a way to reprint a collection/collections of his articles and Tom's family could get a royalty from his labor of love.. I will miss his elaborate floor layouts with his home designed switching circuits, his love of jazz and his general enthusiasm for the everyman-Tom Hillery)))*** Tom, Thanks for posting this! I've only known Tom J. for a few short years through the S-List and the chat room. Like you said, S/AF has lost a GREAT friend!! He WILL be missed. I hope he gets to play drums with some of the greats!! Can ya imagine the floor layout he will do in Heaven?!? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32156	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Rick, Thanks for the status report on Tom, I would like to express my sympathy to the family for the loss....the loss to the hobby and the real loss to those who never knew him. He moved this hobby several knotches forward. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32157	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

***(((Rick- Thanks for the status report on Tom, I would like to express my sympathy to the family for the loss....the loss to the hobby and the real loss to those who never knew him.)))*** Credit goes to Thomas Hillery . He posted first. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32158	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: To the chat group...and other BBQers.

Ok,... I always get ribbed at chat for always BBQing! "Don't burn off your eyebrows" and other jokes,....constantly! Here's proof, that I KNOW what I'm doing! TRUST me!! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/Weber_oops Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32159	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

Tom, Thanks for the update on Tom J. He will be sorely missed. Do you or does anyone on the list know what the funeral service arrangements are for Tom? Thank you... Barb THOMAS E HILLERY wrote: > Tom lost his battle this weekend. S /AF has lost a great friend . > I hope Don Heimburger of S Gaugian can find a way to reprint a > collection/collections of his articles and Tom's family could get a > royalty from his labor of love.. I will miss his elaborate floor layouts > with his home designed switching circuits, his love of jazz and his > general enthusiasm for the everyman-Tom Hillery > > > Subject: The Roundhouse > > > > I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The > > Roundhouse > > repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill > > health. After > > a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get > > it done. > > My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next > > month's. > > > > I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, > > and hope > > I have helped some of you in return. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32160	From: Paul	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Auction Winners - Still some left

Here are this week winners. yazfacts AF FEATURES 27.95 yazfacts Intro to S 10.00 RCERA61264 Tufts 35.00 puttrain 1963sgh 12.00 puttrain 1965sgh 12.00 parker@ 1969sgh 1.00 parker@ tips&tricks 5.00 erierailroad@ 1978sgh 10.00 I would love to sell more books and mags, so if you would like to bid on them please visit. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup02 Use the 'Add Comment' to place your bid. If you won this week and are finished bidding, please contact me off list and I will total up your bid & shipping cost. Still plenty of good stuff available. I would love to find a new home for the rest of these books. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32161	From: Alex	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

Oh my. I'm so sad hearing of Tom's passing. I just spoke with him not too long ago about building a high-voltage leakage tester so that he could test old transformers for integrity. He sounded fine, and never hinted that he was in serious health trouble. Although I never met him personally, I always enjoyed chatting with him on the telephone, and certainly treasure his articles (best part of the S Gaugian). Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:04 PM To: THOMAS E HILLERY Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2373 Tom, Thanks for the update on Tom J. He will be sorely missed. Do you or does anyone on the list know what the funeral service arrangements are for Tom? Thank you... Barb THOMAS E HILLERY wrote: > Tom lost his battle this weekend. S /AF has lost a great friend . > I hope Don Heimburger of S Gaugian can find a way to reprint a > collection/collections of his articles and Tom's family could get a > royalty from his labor of love.. I will miss his elaborate floor layouts > with his home designed switching circuits, his love of jazz and his > general enthusiasm for the everyman-Tom Hillery > > > Subject: The Roundhouse > > > > I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The > > Roundhouse > > repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill > > health. After > > a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get > > it done. > > My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next > > month's. > > > > I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, > > and hope > > I have helped some of you in return. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32162	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

I never met Tom personally but also got to know him through this group. He was always exploring something new, loved electronics and always shared what he knew with others. For me, he was a great Flyer/S Source! May he rest in peace. God Bless you Tom! Not too long ago, he signed in during the NYC "blackout" just to keep us all informed about how things were going. Greatfully, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32163	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: "Never put things off"

Well here I sit ...feeling Sad about the news about Tom ..a guy that I too had never met ..But like a lot of others knew from an attitude of Support and Help in any way he could to all of us fellow AF train nutz ...I for one had ask if anyone could tell me how to connect the Lionel (excuse the L word)Indian Maiden accessory to AF track...Tom was first to get back to me and said .."No prob" .."send me the diagram and I'll work it out for you" ...Well I back burnered it ...never did send him the copy of the wiring has he requested ..figuring "Hay no rush" ...Well time waits for no man..I too will miss the Guy that was willing to do anything to help someone out ..MANY THANX TOM ..You expertise will be sorely missed ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32164	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] DCC Sound for 2-8-0 (was Re: SHS Internet Specia

DON.... I will be at York in Oct.... I have a tape made from the Engine Cab of the Buffalo, Creek & Gauley..... going out of Dundon.... Tape is about 20 - 30 minutes long.... It was made by my Uncle Ray who was probley the Engineer on the run.... Part of the tape is a single engine.... part is a Double Header situation.... I believe this is a 2 8 0 as the climax was gone by then....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <robin@...> To: <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [showcaseline] DCC Sound for 2-8-0 (was Re: SHS Internet Special #2) > Dear John, > Yes, Soundtraxx will be getting the heads up once we have the final > engineering samples. They are now working on the Switcher DCC/DC sound > units and we were told by Steve and Nancy that they would all include > the new Tsunami technology that will allow both DC and DCC operation. > An interesting story on the 2-8-0 sound did happen on the visit to > Dallee (mfg. of the LocoMatic sound system) last Tuesday. We left the > Southern 2-8-0 operating sample for his to test. Dallas had a recording > supplied by Bob Board (of All Aboard Railroad fame) of some B&O > steamers. Of course I asked if Bob had found recording for our E-27 > consolidation. Dallas said he had not, but he had a range of B&O > engines we could choose. Mike and I sat down getting ready to evaluate > and choose which sounds we wanted to use for the bell, whistle and > chuff. Dallas said the first sounds were from a B&O D-2. I think I > started to laugh when I heard him mention the D-2 and asked him if he > knew the wheel arrangement. Being a die hard Reading fan, Dallas had no > idea. I then explained how the B&O did not purchase any new 0-8-0s, but > rebuilt them out of 2-8-0s. From my research, I knew the B&O D-2s were > made from E-27s. I was very happy. > Don > > John Gibson wrote: > > > Don: > > > > Thanks for the quick response to my question. > > > > Of course, your response raised more questions. <VBG> > > > > Who is doing the DCC sound for the 2-8-0? If it is Soundtraxx, will > > the sound unit be the new Tsunami? If so, do you anticipate a delay > > in offering the DCC Sound versions of the 2-8-0? > > > > Many thanks! > > > > - John Gibson > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32165	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/30/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Hello all, Just a word or two about a very unselfish and knowledgeable man. Although I never met him, Tom helped me out several times with accurate help and advice on several AF repair jobs that I tackled. Because I save many of the great and informative emails from this group, I was able to check the number of times Tom stepped up to the plate to respond to questions from this group. I counted 128 times since 4/13/01 and I only save emails that deal with subjects that I am interested in. His Roundhouse columns provided me with a library on AF repair. When I was seeking information on running three switches back to back Tom helped me out and went on to describe how he set up seven switches in the same fashion and how much fun you could have with AF switches. I will miss Tom and his devotion to his and my hobby . His legacy is the wealth of knowledge that he unselfishly spent a lot of time conveying to us all. I wish that I had written this last week. Thank you Tom! Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Concerning new steam Steam locomotives, if an affordable version of these listed below,(under $600), which would you purchase? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Van Swearingen 2-8-4 Berkshire (C&O, NKP, PM, RF&P, W&LE, Virginian, etc.), 12 votes, 30.00% - Lima A-1 Berkshire (B&A, IC, CNW, B&M, MoPac, others), 5 votes, 12.50% - USRA Light 4-82 (NYNH&H, Southern, NC&St.L, MoPac others), 5 votes, 12.50% - USRA Heavy 2-10-2 (B&LE, CB&Q, Erie, NYC, PRR, others), 13 votes, 32.50% - USRA Heavy 4-8-2 (C&O, FEC, N&W, others), 5 votes, 12.50% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Van Swearingen 2-8-4 Berkshire (C&O, NKP, PM, RF&P, W&LE, Virginian, etc.) - rwmres@... - ussbadger@... - splitdorf@... - sgriggs@... - davidh@... - waltdanylak@... - srs@... - dwargo3@... - sbg04@... - harry.eberhardt@... - Crpntr12449@... - jtctrain@... - Lima A-1 Berkshire (B&A, IC, CNW, B&M, MoPac, others) - ronnat@... - polpolk9@... - sager@... - merlyn_of_camelot@... - jfred436@... - USRA Light 4-82 (NYNH&H, Southern, NC&St.L, MoPac others) - americanflyer@... - eagle_trains@... - dlehnhoff@... - Mm3cag1@... - Earl.Carlsen@... - USRA Heavy 2-10-2 (B&LE, CB&Q, Erie, NYC, PRR, others) - tstoltz@... - lamontcranston1946@... - waldootten@... - trombonelover1@... - john.foley16@... - boblines51@... - rkuepper@... - balcerfamily@... - theheadliner@... - jayhoo64@... - musso@... - ingiwjo@... - gilberthenke74@... - USRA Heavy 4-8-2 (C&O, FEC, N&W, others) - HCOPTER51@... - rzuerlein@... - samusvulgaris@... - velapoldi@... - snappar@... For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32167	From: Al Kielek	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2373

I don't know what to say..other than I am deeply sad and shocked that Tom has passed away. I to have had personal correspondence with Tom via our "S-trains" list. He had an incredible enthusiasm for AF and went out of his way to help fellow S gaugers anyway he could......my prayers go out to his family. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS E HILLERY" <G-WOLFGANG5@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2373 > Tom lost his battle this weekend. S /AF has lost a great friend . > I hope Don Heimburger of S Gaugian can find a way to reprint a > collection/collections of his articles and Tom's family could get a > royalty from his labor of love.. I will miss his elaborate floor layouts > with his home designed switching circuits, his love of jazz and his > general enthusiasm for the everyman-Tom Hillery > > > Subject: The Roundhouse > > > > I want to let you know that I have had to quit as writer of The > > Roundhouse > > repair and operating column in S Gaugian Magazine, due to ill > > health. After > > a long battle with lung cancer, I have just become too weak to get > > it done. > > My first column was published in 1990, and my last will be next > > month's. > > > > I have enjoyed and appreciated all the help you all have given me, > > and hope > > I have helped some of you in return. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32168	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I too, am very sorry to hear about Tom's illness and passing. Althought I never really had a technical AF question for Tom to answer, as I am more of a collector, I knew Tom enjoyed baseball, books, music and history, through some of his writings to the group. I would write to him often about the above subjects and he would write back. I, also will miss his columns in S gaugian magazine, as I do save his articles, as well as Bob Tufts articles, since someday I do hope to be an operator too. Bob writes more about the history of things with AF, of course. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32169	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Farewell, Tom

Like many of us, I'm sure, I am speechless over the passing of Tom Jarcho. Many have already posted tributes to him, but I don't believe one can ever hear too many good things about a friend. I never met Tom, either, but I spoke with him on the phone a few times, and told him how honored I was to be speaking to an "S Legend." He modestly said that he wasn't too sure about that status, but we all know it's true. I've often said that each of us brings to this hobby our own individual talents. Some are very proficient at fixing trains; some have superior knowledge of collectibles; others are excellent carpenters and electricians, and yet others still can design and execute clever devices and elaborate layouts. We were fortunate that Tom Jarcho had skills in many of these areas, but he had another very important talent: he knew how to write about them, and he wasn't reluctant to do so. His generous sharing of his knowledge has certainly contributed to my enjoyment of the hobby, and I know that others feel the same way. As an editor, I came to rely on Tom's excellent tips from S-Trains for reprinting in my club's newsletter. How many times did his detailed explanations save us a lot of grief? He had a way of communicating so that even I could understand what to do. That is an uncommon trait, and he leaves some very big shoes to fill, not only at S Gaugian, but throughout our hobby. He will be sorely missed. An "S" world without Tom Jarcho? Unthinkable! Farewell, Tom, and thank you for a wonderful ride. Your friend, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32170	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom

I only knew Tom by email and the S gaugian magazine, but he was very helpful and knowledgeable. He assisted me in posting pictures on the internet. He had a lot of model train knowledge. I pray that his family and friends will find joy in knowing that Tom made a selfless contribution to our hobby. Likely, he was self-giving in all of his endeavors. Dave Highfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32171	From: Paul	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Between Hurricane preparations and job searching I am putting together a webpage about Tom. If you have any pictures or ideas please forward them to me. I will be looking thru the archive to capture some of the thoughts expressed on the list. It's hard loosing a friend. It reminds us to be nice to the ones we have left. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32172	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Tom

For once I am at A total loss for words...... I wish the family well in this time..... Will keep them in prayer...... Yes I can relate.... 10 months and 11 days for me..... He helped me lots..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32173	From: beechcricker	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

After a several week absence from this list I returned to find news of Tom Jarcho's passing. I am completely shocked and saddened. Tom helped this (still) newbie so many times with multiple subjects, all with the obvious patience of a saint. I think the last time we corresponded he snail mailed me a copy of his latest (?) floor layout. I'm certainly going to miss Tom's friendship and sharing. He was one of the good ones, without a doubt. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32174	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Maybe everybody already has this, but it includes a picture of Tom. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/jarcho/floor_layout.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32175	From: firex43	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger & Big Boy Locos

---> I am unhappy to learn that a number of members of this list along > with myself are waiting to hear from Mel Nielsen. Same routine, no > phone calls returned after my locomotive was sent to him. Joe Haenn > of Joe's Trains did reach Mel Nielsen and reported that there would > be some notice provided in mid September of this year. THANK YOU VERY > MUCH FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE, Joe. I can't thank you enough! Let's hope > that the locos that we sent will be returned to us in the very near > future and converted to run on S track. > John Keating In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > I too had spoken with him once at York TCA.... Last Oct.... He said about > the same thing.... the machine guy only wanted to do several at a time.... > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:40 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K-line Allegheny and Challenger > > > > I think you are referring to Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive > > Works. Unfortunately, I have had the same experience with him. > > Since shipping my K-Line Big Boy to him in May along with a deposit > > check for the conversion work, I have yet to receive a status report > > on the progress (and I have left at least three voice messages on his > > answering machine). He made himself available to talk to me before I > > sent the engine to him, and at that time he told me he had seven > > engines awaiting conversion. He said he was waiting for a few more > > before beginning because the machine shop he deals with likes to work > > in batches). > > > > Is anyone else waiting for a Big Boy conversion from Ballston > > Locomotive Works? > > > > Scott > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A Persing" <bobville@p...> > > wrote: > > > There is a person that does this but don't bother to call him he > > does not > > > answer his calls.I have called him at least 6 times to see where > > the tender > > > for my camel back is that he was to send me after York, no reply.I > > bought it > > > at York but he did not have the tender I wanted. Bob Persing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > > > To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "A.E. Johnson" > > > <bigfoot@c...> > > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line Allegheny and Challenger > > > > > > > > > > Answer to all.... Yes it is slightly bigger the "S" but alone or > > with > > > K-Line > > > > cars looks ok..... Yes there is a fellow who does the complete > > conversion > > > > for around 400.00.... his name slips me right..... Bob > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32176	From: firex43	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Along with many members of this list I am deeply saddened to learn of Tom's passing. Indeed we as men and women and Flyer folks will feel the loss of Tom but we will all remember his kind and helpful information that was provided to one and all. My deepest sympathy to his family. Do know that Tom Jarcho will be missed. If we hear rumbling in the clouds overhead we'll know that Tom has set up an elaborate Flyer floor layout for the enjoyment of all. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32177	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Photo of Tom Jarcho

***(((Maybe everybody already has this, but it includes a picture of Tom.)))*** http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/jarcho/floor_layout.html Thanks Dave... I'm not sure if I've SEEN this photo (or any other) of Tom before!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32178	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2390

My condolences to Tom's family. Although I never met him he was always willing to give me good advice on restoring my precious AF trains. Often he would contact me privately with a suggestion on how to solve a problem. AF and S Guage have lost one of the greats! Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32179	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: LAST CALL: 2004 Lionel Book 2 AF

Last call for ordering the new Lionel 2004 Book Volume 2 American Flyer is at 5 pm on Fridat, September 3rd. Items are available at the following prices (excluding shipping costs): Number Description Retail MyPrice 6-48355 AF 2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $42.00 6-48623 Naughty & Nice Hopper 2-pack $89.99 $72.00 6-48039 B&O Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48040 SF Dockside Switcher $99.99 $92.00 6-48537 Nesquik Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48537 Hood's Milk Flat w/2 Milk Cont. $54.99 $45.00 6-48136 SF Alco B-Unit w/Railsounds$ $149.99 $135.00 6-48968 SF Passenger Car 2-pack $119.99 $95.00 Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32180	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

We have lost a great one. Does anyone have contact information for the family, so we can send our condolences? I posted the following to the TCA list. Tom Jarcho passed away this weekend, after a valiant battle with the big C. If you're not into S Gauge, you may not recogninze the name. Tom wrote the "Roundhouse" column for the S Gauagian, a tips N tricks and how to fix column. Tom was a big advocate of "on the floor" running, and created amazing layouts that he changed over and over again. He did have a battle for a few months with "the Futon from Hell" which limited operating space, but the room developers found another place for it (some of us suggested other ways of removing it, Limburger cheese was involved in one scenario). He was always willing to share info with anyone, and would go out of his way to help others. We have lost one of the greats, but his influence will be felt for many years to come, by those who are able to fix their trains, or a layout glitch by referring to one of his articles. There is hope that maybe they will be combined into a book sometime. I will miss him terribly. Even though we wrote similar columns for different magazines, it was never in competition, as we tried to compliment each other. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts! I am sure that Tom is organizing the biggest "on the cloud" layout ever now. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32181	From: Bill Lange	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting

In honor of Tom, I tried searching the archives, but it was taking too long. Sorry Tom; and I am sorry I missed my chance to meet him last year when I was consulting in NYC. I also am one of the many who never met Tom in person, but benefited frequently from his help. I have an AF 302 that when it reverses, the drive axle slides and the wheel touches the frame causing a short. Suggestions on how to repair would be greatly appreciated. It runs great in forward, but this problem is keeping me from enjoying the new can motor, Dallee reverse unit and new Portliness smoke wick that I just installed. I love filling the room with smoke at a realistic speed, but I sure would like to back it up and pick up some rolling stock! Thanks in advance! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32182	From: waldootten	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: What few knew about Tom Jarcho

First, count me as among those shocked by his sudden passing. Apparently, very few people knew of his personal health battle. Until his recent post about his weakened condition, many of us had no inkling, but I don't believe he was the type to complain. I wanted to find words to express myself to Tom when he posted the sad news of his cancer, but being in such total shock, they weren't forthcoming. And who knew his death who come so swiftly? Tom will be greatly missed by all of us, and by me personally every time I crack open a new issue of S-Gaugian or visit this site. He left quite a legacy of wonderful columns and great thoughts, and a very big pair of shoes to fill. Perhaps no Flyer expert exists who could be as prolific and authoritative as Tom. Over the past few years, we had exchanged numerous emails about Flyer topics and his writing (I'm a professional writer) -- and I told him I was amazed at how articulate he was -- well-versed, well- organized, meticulous, clear-thinking -- and the explanations about all things AF in his Roundhouse column were clear and concise, not to mention dead-on. Tom loved his American Flyer, and if you could not see it in his enthusiam for writing about it, you need to know this: he penned all of those articles (90 or so?) for S-Gaugian since 1990, and I was shocked when he told me he had never been paid a nickel for any of them. He said S-Gaugian does not compensate its writers, but his love of Flyer and desire to help others was the driving force, not monetary renumeration. I believe it is Tom's family which owns the rights to all of those articles, and someday I hope they package them up in a book for all of us to enjoy and utilize. I know I'd buy one. They may not be able to use the name "The Roundhouse," as that is part of S-Gaugian's intellectual property, but whatever they call it, it would be a great reference guide for all of us. Thanks, Tom, for all you did for us Flyer fanatics. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32183	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I Just returned form our annual Archery Antelope hunt this evening and discovered the notices of Tom's passing. I will miss Tom as he was always eager to see our newest escapades into the world of S and give his opinion on them. Happy to say he received everything we have done positively, even though he was a person that wanted to see Flyer running as Gilbert had made them. He was a sharing man, and I loved to talk fishing with him. Even invited him here to Idaho to take a shot at Chinook Salmon and Rainbow trout. He never told me that he was too ill to come. I will miss his column in S-Gaugian As I always wanted to see what he would come up with next. God speed Tom. Build the biggest and best operating American Flyer layout in Heaven. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32184	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/31/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I only recently learned of Tom's health problems and had occasionally communicated with him over the past few years. He was always a thoughtful and courteous man that I enjoyed e-mail conversations with. I am saddened by his passing and wish my condolences to his family. The train world lost a really great man. Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32185	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Alley Dock Update Advert

So Pine Canyon Scale Models has decided to exit S Scale. Plus they are not supporting our dealers. That's their decision. I purchase my Pine Canyon kits from Doug Peck. I purchased Back Alley #1 at the NASG convention. If Doug (or another dealer) has #2 and the extensions at Fall S-Fest I will purchase them. If not... Disappointed, Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:36 -0000 From: "pinecanyonrr" <pinecanyon@...> Subject: Alley Dock Update Advert Hi Gang, We finally have the loading docks available for Back Alley #1. The link is at the bottom of the modular walls page. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/alleydocks.htm We decited not to make docks for the short walls because they can be aranged in so many ways. One can mix and match the other docks to go under them. On other news, we are winding down our S-scale line. It will be a while before we create another kit in S. We are now busy with other scales. Also, to give our customers the lowest possible prices, as of November 1, we will no longer sell through dealers. All sales will be direct only. Happy Railroading, Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32186	From: knockbill	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Hi I also am sending my condolenses to Tom's family. In the short time I've been a member of this list, I enjoyed his posts & written information & had the pleasure of sharing some of mine with him. Rest in peace,Tom John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32187	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Drive Wheel Shorting

Hello, It sounds as if the wheel on your engine is wobbling. Get it running off the track and turn it upside down to view the wheels rotating. If the boss on the inside of the wheel center isn't worn out, and in fact the wheel has a little wobble which could make the flange contact the frame, causing the wheel to arc. If this be the case, just insert a flat bladed screwdriver between the frame and the wheel and pry the flange out a little. It might take a few trys to get the wheel to spin without wobbling. If this doesn't solve the problem, you may have a bent axle. Just for your information in case you didn't know, these wheels are made in 3 pieces. The hub, or wheel center, the insulator, or whitewall, and the flange. They were made this way for insulation purposes, and when the flange comes into contact with the frame of the engine (while on the track and running, of course) , a short (or arcing) will occurr. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32188	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Still Hanging In There

Hi All, We are not exiting S as some think, just winding the line down to do some HO to pay the bills. This is our main business, not a side- line. We have a small payroll to meet and supplies to buy before we can create the next kit. We don't make many copies of each kit at one time, so there is no large stock to sell out. We produce them on demand in small lots. We will be making more S, but since they sell few copies, not as many new items will be made per year. We have some really big things coming out soon in HO and this has taken up allot of our time. Back Alley #3 will probably be released near Christmas or slightly later. It will be much different than 1 and 2 and will take more time to produce. The items that we have discontinued will probably be released again in a few years if time allows. However, some kits will most likely have changes and upgrades. We are discontinuing selling through dealers (all scales) because we had to make the decision to wholesale or retail direct. Also, we have seen undercutting by some dealers and this degrades our products. This decision was made for all of our products, HO included. However, when we do release the next kit, Port Lines will be our exclusive dealer. You will be able to buy from Doug or direct from us. Doug has done a great job and we will continue with him. Thank you for your support of our S-scale effort, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32189	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

As I wrote earlier about Tom, he was a great baseball fan and he lived in NYC. He would not be too happy that the Yankees lost last night to Cleveland, 22 to 0, a record lost for his team. O:)! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32190	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I would like to send to Tom's family my deepest sympathy, and you will be in our prayers. respectfully yours, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32191	From: Hannon	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho And His Work

No doubt about it. Tom's passing has evoked a tremendous outpouring of condolences on this list. An outpouring that far exceeds anything I've seen accorded to others on other lists when they passed away. Some of the postings mentioned they'd like to see something published about his work. Well, before he passed away, Tom said he was working on an AF repair manual. I don't know how far along he got. He was working with Don Heimburger (Heimburger House/ S-Gaugian Magazine/ Scenery Unlimited) for its publication. So, if there's a real interest in seeing Tom's work published, now's the time to contact Don Heimburger and express our support for the project and for Tom's relations. My contact on S-Gaugian is shown here. It's also on the inside front pages of your S-Gaugian magazines. Don Heimburger c/o Scenery Unlimited 7236 West Madison St. Forest Park, IL 60130 heimbrgrhouse@... 708-366-1973 Bob Hannon P.S. Dave: Thanks for putting out the link to Tom and his LEGENDARY floor layouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32192	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarco

After having American Flyer as a kid in the early 1950s, I did not come back to electric trains until the early 1990s when our grandchildren started to appear. Upon joining the TCA & then this list did I get to know Tom through his writings in the "Roundhouse" & on this list here. He was always willing to share his knowledge with anyone who needed help, and never appeared frustrated with us novices. He was a true "saint" to the American Flyer operators. Tom will be sorely missed by all of us, and we pray that his family will find comfort from all of us whom he helped so graciously throughout the past decade! We will miss him, but he has gone to a better place where I am sure he can set up fantastic lay-outs! Thanks Tom from all of us. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32193	From: John G	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I had a Flyer train in the 1950's and by the early 1960's I thought American Flyer was a thing of the past - never to be seen again. In the 1990's I discovered the lively toy train market and got back into the hobby. This S-trains group, S-Gaugian, and Tom Jarcho's Roundhouse helped my rediscover Flyer and enjoy it more than I did when I was a child. I felt I was in heaven. I was shocked to hear that Tom is now there. Thank you Tom for all the help you have given me and the hobby. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32194	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: Thank You All So Much

Dear S-List, Thank you all so much for your kind words, thoughts, and prayers. Of all of my dad's loves, American Flyer and this list were really up there. I will always remember all of the fun we had with his floor layouts, and hearing the clicks of his keyboard late at night, pounding out his articles and emails. He was a passionate and good man, and he will surely be missed. Thanks again for all of your love, Nick Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32195	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/1/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special #4

I just posted the fourth SHS Internet Special, which is the last in the current series. If you like these, please let us know! The Internet Special car is a Burlington Northern PS-2 covered hopper, again at 25% off, $29.95. This time, instead of the 12th order winning a free car, every order wins with free shipping in the United States! The Special will last until Saturday evening, and is only available at the SHS website. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32196	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: "Playing with Trains" by Sam Posey

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32197	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting

- GreetingS - Bill Lange asked a fine question regarding his 302 Atlantic and drive wheel tire touching the frame and causing a short. While it is not stated, the likely axle for this problem is the geared one. Fred suggested that a bit of drive wheel wobble may exist. Yes, indeed, there can be wobble if the wheel has gotten loose on the axle. Fred also pointed out that the drive wheel on the older models is a three- piece assembly. My experience is that a loose tire on the white insulator is the most likely culprit. My suggestion for this is to first clean the joint between tire and insulator. Do this by pushing the offending wheel (finger force) away from the frame and pushing the loose tire against the frame. Then wipe away any accumulation of oil or grease on the mating surfaces with a cotton swab or clean cloth soaked in isopropyl (91%) alcohol. Next, dibble (a small dribble) a little quick-dry cement on the insulator, pull the tire out snug around the insulator and rotate it a time or two to distribute the glue before it sets up. You're done. I have had more than a half-dozen successes with this method and no failures. If the drive wheel boss on the backside is worn and if you do not want to press the wheel off the axle, then get some springy brass or bronze shim stock. This is one or two times paper thickness. Put a hole thru the center of a piece just a little smaller in diameter than the wheel, and cut a slit from one edge thru the center and half-way to the other edge. Cutting a vee-shape wedge where the slit begins at the edge will help the next step. Push the springy element (now looking like a washer) between the wheel and frame until it snaps over the axle. You're done. If extra space is needed, wrinkle the washer a bit before inserting. One or two of my locos had a drive wheel slightly loose on the axle. It was toss-up whether to replace the it or use `Loc-Tite' stud and bearing cement. The `Loc-Tite' cure worked. Remove main and side rods on the afflicted side. Clean the axle and axle bore in the wheel to remove oil and grease. Arrange a cradle to hold the loco upside down with the loose side slightly down. Put a small drop of the cement on a toothpick, apply a little to the axle and more to the bore. Slide the wheel on the axle only as far as you have determined it needs to go to achieve the correct gauge. Visually inspect the axle between wheel and frame with magnifying glasses and bright light to assure no cement went up the axle to glue it to the frame (creating a whole new problem). When satisfied, let the cement set. This may take several hours or overnight. Reassemble and you are done. CheerS and hope this helps. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32198	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: "Playing with Trains" by Sam Posey

Here is the on-line article for those that are interested: http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/life/20040902/d_extreme02.art.htm gary On 9/2/04 3:43 AM, "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> wrote: > USA Today has a review on "Playing with Trains" > A passion or an obsession? > > Why do grown-ups play with trains? > > jim Sleeth > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32199	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947

Thanks to all that responded to my quest for this article. Chuck Porter send me a photocopy which is what I wanted right now. There on the missing front page, in the first paragraph, is the information I most sought: an O Scale model. So if I duplicate the effort, I will have to adjust all of the measurements down by 75% to make them S Scale. I guess I learned a lesson. Dick Karnes took me to task for not contacting the NASG library first. And Chuck sent a copy from less than 40 miles. So the lesson I learned is "What I needed was right in my own back yard." Thanks again to everyone who looked for me. Thorin > _____________________________________________ > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:15 PM > To: Cdn-E-Rys (Cdn-E-Rys@yahoogroups.com); Interurbans > (Interurbans@yahoogroups.com); IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways > (IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways@yahoogroups.com); S-Scale > (S-Scale@yahoogroups.com); S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com); > MidwestInterurban@yahoogroups.com > Subject: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947 > > Good afternoon: > I am hunting a copy of "The Model Railroader" magazine from December > 1947. I have part of this issue. Someone cut out pages 997 - 1004 which > is most of an article on building Waterloo, Cedar Falls, and Northern car > 101. However, this is not the complete article. > Does anyone have a copy of this magazine? May I get a photocopy of > the complete article? I am quite willing to pay a reasonable cost. > > The pages I do have has construction instructions, photos, and full > drawings (interior and out). The plans are in 3/16 inch scale, no less! > > Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32200	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Iowa Trolley Park and Iowa Traction

Good Afternoon: I spent several days in Iowa in August. I am happy to report that Iowa Traction is alive and well. In fact, July was one of the busiest months ever. They don't like it that busy as the employees are Dave Johnson (Owner / Operator), Doug Bailey (Shop and Trainman), John Richards (Shop and Switchman), and Kay Johnson (wife and book keeper.) Being this busy means they don't have time for track work and similar maintenance. Yes, they are making a profit. And they are plowing the profits back into the operation. In May of this year you could go from end-of-track Clear Lake to end-of-track in Mason City at the old M&StL interchange. Only you had to use a motor hand car because of missing spikes just east of Clear Lake Junction. They may be able to run the full distance today. (Although in town for three days, I did not get a chance to talk to Dave. Just Kay.) 727 is just sitting and has been since May. Its summer and that is track work time. When the snow flies 727 will be worked on again. She is inside and in good hands. The city of Clear Lake has opened the section of Main Street they were rebuilding. This section includes the crossings to Kennedy Produce (not shipping) and Williams Brothers pipeline (not shipping). It also includes where the tracks used to veer into the street. The poles and brackets still hold wire for this transition but the track is now totally gone. From here it is approximately a two miles to the lake. In 1964 the rails were physically removed from the streets back to the 'inner' industrial park. The rails from the 'inner' industrial park to the street / side of road transition were removed in 1967. Anyone who wants to run a trolley downtown will have to either run it on rubber tires or tear up the streets to install totally new track. Iowa Trolley Park is the remains of a defunct trolley museum at the western end of Iowa Traction. It is in the 'outer' industrial park. It has a full carbarn. I was able to visit this carbarn and with Stan Gentry's permission, I removed 10 boxes of papers. The carbarn has been closed for a while. There is an office within and the office is very, very damp. All of the papers have mildew and all are 'mushy'. (They aren't water logged.) Since I have gotten back on August 22nd, I have been putting papers out in the sun to dry. Already information here has help to save some of the other items in the carbarn. Chris represents Stan Gentry in Mason City and was a tremendous help. After I visited, I did this write-up for my own notes: _______________________________________________________________________ This was written on Monday, August 23, 2004. Catherine (my wife) and I packed up Samantha (our 12 year old) to go with us. She was to stay in the van while we packed the papers of Iowa Trolley Park. Jessica (our 4 year old) got to stay with Grandma and Grandpa. We got to ITP just a couple of minutes before 11:00 AM. The door was open. I went in and found Chris. With her permission, I did a quick walk around of the building. I did not cross any of the tracks. We went into the office section. She was full of questions about almost every photograph. I immediately found two boxes of paper I wanted. I carried them outside and returned inside. Chris and I pulled open file drawers, cabinets, etc. to get a grasp of the immensity of papers to be removed - fewer than I had feared. Catherine, blessed Catherine, brought in the first three boxes she had assembled, with lids. (We had pre-purchased 24 boxes at Staples.) I started loading boxes with magazines and papers. Catherine repacked the two boxes I had hauled outside. She laid down a tarp on the floor of her minivan to protect it. Chris poked around, looking at photos while I packed. I emptied all of the papers out of the two file cabinets plus the piles and boxes that were around. We finished the office and went into the main room. We collected the papers from the information desk: a semicircular desk. I kept hauling full boxes out and Catherine kept hauling empty boxes in. Once the papers were out, I finally felt I could take the time to look at the contents of the building. +---------------------------------------------+ | _------+ +--------+ +------------+ | ---+---< Boat |----| ITR #3 |---| MC&CL 28 |- | | *------+ +--------+ +------------+ | | | | +----+ +--------+ +------------+ | ---+---| Bob|cat ---| MTM #5 |---| PCC |- | | | +----+ +--------+ +------------+ | | | | --+-- | +--------+ +---------+ | | ---+---| MTM #1 |---| Critter |------------------+--- v | +--------+ +---------+ | N | +--------------+ | ___ || Office | | / \ | | +---------------------------------------------+ The South wall is covered by bins, workbenches, and tools. It looks like the workmen put down their tools for a work break and never returned. The boat is on a trailer. I didn't examine it any further. Street sweeper #3 rests with decaying Iowa Terminal paint. The frame is nice and level. Catherine and I, using a 100 foot tape measure, discovered the length is 25 feet, 7 inches. We measured the diagonal front of the frame and discovered it is 7 feet, 7 inches. This seemed wrong to me: too narrow. The south door is open so I climbed on board and did a quick measure of the width of the cab and discovered the junk reading was about 7 feet, 6 inches. (This is a 'junk' reading as it could be off by as much as four inches. But it verified that the street sweeper really is this narrow.) I need to compare these measurements to the plans I have to see if this is a 'normal' street sweeper or if #3 is something unique. While inside I examined and discovered there are three controllers: one at each end to control the propulsion and one in the middle to run the single traction motor that runs the brushes. I did not see anything to engage or disengage the two brushes. Therefore I believe that when one brush spins, the other brush also spins. When I got down I examined the brushes. These consist of a solid, wooden, round core. Onto this core are curved strips with the holes for the whisks. I did not count how many curved strips there are but memory says about six. (For lack of a better term, the individual twigs of the brush will be called 'whisks'.) Each of these strips had rows of holes from left to right. Rows alternated by being ½ off from the previous row, so the pattern is kind of like a honey comb. Each whisk enters a hole, bends and comes back out the next hole. I noticed the average was four to five whisks per hole. I felt it was obvious that the whisks were put into the strips and then the strips were mounted onto the core. MC&CL 28 is in very sad shape. Although it spend many years buried inside a house and has been inside the carbarn in Clear Lake since then, both of the vestibules have been cut off. I was thinking that I might be able to get either a trolley museum or a NYNH&H museum interested in the body but I doubt she is anything other than kindling without her vestibules. The Bobcat is a normal, four wheeled, Bobcat. MTM #5 is a four-wheel trailer. It looks like a modern creation of a single truck open car. It is clean, neat, and ready to roll. Her paint scheme more closely resembles a circus rather than a railroad. The PCC car is resting on her wheels. I climbed on board. She is covered by a coat of dust. She needs to be stripped and repainted. The upholstery on the seats looks like vinyl. It is old but intact. The front panel of the car has been bashed. The headlight was the primary casualty. However the damage is to the sheet metal and does not involve any of the framing members of the car. This is an easy cut-and-replace repair. I was informed by Soph Marty that the car arrived in Mason City in running condition. (I did not hear that it actually operated.) If this is true then she could easily be put back on the road. MTM #1 is a four-wheeled self-propelled, open bench 'trolley' of fairly recent construction. She matches MTM #5. I suspect they can be linked together. I did spot a filler tube for either gasoline or diesel fuel. Beyond MTM #1 is a critter. It is a four wheel diesel-mechanical locomotive. Chris told me that they liked to take it around the loop of track. After looking at the equipment, Chris came outside with me and I gave her four copies of my business card. On the back of one she wrote her e-mail address and handed the card back to me. The final box count was 10 filled boxes. It was 12:30 PM. We sat in the van and ate peanut butter sandwiches with chips, bananas, and water. The weather was sunny and bright but not too hot. Chris was surprised when she came out and found us still there, finishing lunch. We then drove to Staples where I returned two packs of 6 boxes. Farm and Fleet is next door and we purchased a second tarp there. We returned to my parents house where we showered to get rid of the dirt and mildew. Then we put the new tarp over the boxes. (As desired, the only thing touching Catherine's minivan was new, clean cardboard.) We packed the rest of our stuff on top and around. We were able to drive away from Mason City at 3:15 PM for our return trip to Milwaukee. We only got as far as Charles City. They were having an art show in Central Park. I dropped off a very enthusiastic Catherine and drove on towards the old Charles City Western. I found the old office without hardly trying. There is a small yard beside the old office which contains a flat car, a snow plow, and a number of streamlined passenger cars in a riot of colors and schemes. But the gem was the snow plow. It did indeed have arch bar trucks. I took several photographs. I drove further east and eventually found what I believe is the old shops. I found a three-stall building sided with tin. A fourth stall is on the North side but it looks like an add-on stall. Based on the background of a photo of IRT diesel #65, this is the right building - only it has been sided. Streamlined passenger cars were everywhere! Some even were even painted for Amtrak. I returned to Central Park where Catherine, with much glee, purchased her Christmas present from me - a water color painting. The rest of the trip back to Wauwatosa was uneventful. We unpacked the van except for the boxes from Iowa Trolley park. They waited until morning. They were moved to the hexagonal table we have on the patio. I pulled off the tops of all of the boxes and the papers started airing and drying. I kept pulling out sheaves of papers to dry from the boxes. At one point I had 30 - 40 magazines scattered on the yard to dry. The problem was the wind. It was fierce so everything wanted to blow away. I started sorting and did find a nice, clean copy of timetable #17, which was not part of the Ed Allen collection. Terry of the Mason City Public Library will need to scan it and add it to the collection. (I did not find the original #17 which Russ Olson gave to the museum.) In the evening I packed it all back up into the 10 boxes. Catherine and I hauled a table out to the garage. I placed the open-topped boxes onto the table so they can continue to dry out. (These papers are not coming into the house.) During my work with the papers, I was able to remove a large number of duplicate papers. Included were a large number of get-rich-quick schemes / scams where you can make mountains of money by selling to only two or three of your closest friends! (Soon to be ex-friends.) This junk equaled one and a half boxes, so the papers are not packed as tight as they were. _______________________________________________________________________ Since I wrote the above there have been several developments. The Street Sweeper is being held for the National Capital Trolley Museum (NCTM) in Maryland see: www.dctrolley.org. They will either keep her intact or swap her for one of the two remaining DC sweepers. I am sorry she will be leaving Iowa but she will have a roof over her head. (It is not my decision: these decisions are made by Stan.) I am hoping to get to document her with a couple of rolls of film plus measurements before she goes to Maryland. NCTM has also expressed an interest in trailer #28. I hope they take her. According to Stan the PCC car is on its way back to "its rightful owners" in San Francisco. I was (and still am) hoping it would go to Kenosha, WI and return to revenue service. AS LONG AS IT IS SAVED, I am happy. I have failed to mention this before but it is missing its passenger side front window. The driver's side is intact. Stan has his arch bar trucks (or has them coming). The other items in the carbarn are claimed and were claimed before Stan asked for help in disposing of the above three. This includes the MTM cars and the former Tama and Toledo critter. (I have a very fat folder from the Museum on the critter.) I also found a lighting wiring diagram for 727 from the Illinois Railway Museum. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I have stated before that the museum failed, not for lack of money, but for lack of labor! Someone has to run the place. It didn't run out of money -- it ran out of volunteers. I am in Milwaukee, WI. It takes six hours each way under good conditions. I can't do it. Clear Lake does not want tracks to return to downtown. They spent 50 years trying to get them out of the streets! Iowa Trolley Park is on the eastern edge of Clear Lake. It is easy to get to from the interstate (Twin Cities to Des Moines) but is really too far from a major population center or downtown Clear Lake. When they were running the museum, they ran from Clear Lake to Mason City. The eastern end is in a park that was built on top of the old brickyards in Mason City. It is very picturesque. But there are no tourist-friendly businesses are within my walking distance. And I will walk a half mile or more. No potties at all. Downtown Mason City is over four miles away from this point. Forgetaboutit. Iowa Traction does not want to be a tourist destination. They do not want hordes of people around. They run a for-profit railroad using my favorite equipment. They are quite willing to entertain excursions and other runs but the big requirement is the operation must run at a profit or at least break-even. I would love to rescue the property and all. But I would need to first win the lottery. (My odds would greatly improve if I purchased a ticket.) Russ Olson reposted my comments from IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways group: messages 425 and 440. I will not repeat myself. I am not connected to the Mason City and Clear Lake Electric Railway Historic Society. I am friends with the people of Iowa Traction. I am writing a book (or a series of books) on this railroad and is various incarnations. As such I seem to have become the 'historian' and 'librarian'. I relish these roles and plan to continue my efforts to preserve what I can. Copies of this e-mail have been sent to Dave Johnson, Stan Gentry, and a host of friends. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32201	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: 2004 American Flyer Pre-order

Hi Everyone! Elizabeth Station Toy Trains is taking pre-orders for the American Flyer items just announced in volume 2 of Lionel’s 2004 catalog. Following is a list of what is available. B&O or Santa Fe docksider Retail 99.99 pre-order cost is 84.99 Nestle Quick Flat with containers retail 54.99 po cost 46.75 Hoods Flatcar with containers 54.99 46.75 2004 Christmas Boxcar 49.99 42.49 Naughty and nice coal cars 89.99 76.49 Pluto boxcar 54.99 46.75 Whinnie the Poo boxcar 54.99 46.75 Handcar and shed 99.99 84.99 Electromagnetic crane 249.99 212.49 Coal loader 149.99 127.49 Piggyback unloader 69.99 59.49 Floodlight tower 99.99 84.99 Baggage smasher 129.99 110.49 Oil derrick 59.99 50.99 Log loader 129.99 110.49 Talking station 199.99 169.99 These are available for pre-order until Sept 9th. After that it will be hit and miss. We also require a 50% deposit. If anybody would like to order please call or e-mail me ASAP. Or visit www.elizabethstation.com for more details and to print up an order form to fax or send via e-mail. Checks or money orders can be sent after you call the order in. We can also put your deposit on your Visa, Mastercard, Discover or American Express Cards. Thanks for everyone who has been so supportive of our new store. Chris Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third St Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32202	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Erector Set parts and Francis Usinski of Lawtons, NY

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Francis Usinski? I was talking to him during S-Fest on how I was building a trolley street sweeper for my AF compatible layout. (Ok, it is not a trolley street sweeper. It is an Erector built flat car with a revolving drum to sweep the tracks of sand, gravel, etc. that my now-dead cat used to track in from the now-removed cat door. The need for the car has past.) We were talking and I told him that my Erector set of about 1966 only came with one small and one large gear plus a length of chain to go with it. These gears are not the normal Erector gears. They do not mesh with each other and only work with the chain. I mentioned that if he knew any Erector set parts dealers, I would be interested in purchasing one large gear, one small gear, and a length of chain as my Erector set (about 1966) came with only one set. My biggest hamper (was / still is) that I don't know the part numbers for these parts! Today, out of the blue, arrives two large gears, two small gears, and a length of chain! Frank informs me these are a gift for not responding sooner after the NASG/Erector convention. At a minimum I own him two things: A thank you note. (Anyone know his e-mail address? Else I will use snail-mail.) Finish the track sweeping car and enter it into an S Gauge contest as a 'kit-botching' entry so I can watch the purists blanch! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32203	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Pennsy S Models update

Hi All, We have had the production run of the REA X29 here for about a month now. We are now gearing up to produce the many freight versions. This will include the correct 2 different freight brake system configurations, one being one of the most common, and the other being for the as new dreadnaught end cars. This information was obtained from Jack Consoli and freight car mentor Ben Hom, who has a great part 1 X29 article in the current (August 2004) issue of Mainline Modeler. Production of the freight versions will be later this year. We are considering the REA version to be a sell out at this point. For more information please see www.pennsysmodels.com In other news, we have the first signs of progress on the PRR G26 gondola. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/G26.jpg I received some CAD drawings in my email this morning. Dan will have some of them up on our website soon. We are looking at a few other projects for our long range production that should take us well into next year. Our builder is getting drawings and photos for yet another car from me today. That should be moving along by late this year. Stop by and see us on Sept. 18th at the Central Jersey S Scalers fall Get Together in South Amboy NJ. http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32204	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Information Request on Set 20175

Hello. I am wondering if anyone could offer any information on a train set that I have, box is marked Set # 20175 B-2N589 M-4304. Included in the set is a number 21160 Reading Atlantic - number 24325 Gulf Tanker - number 24110 Pennsylvania Gondola - number 24630 AF Lines Caboose - number 22004 Transformer, 24 pieces of curved Flyer track (older style, not Pikemaster) and a cardboard bridge and trestle set. The engine has a functional knuckle coupler, no light, no smoke, or choo-choo. All the cars have solid couplers. The only info I have found was that Greenberg's showed the engine produced between 1958-1960. I would appreciate any info as to what actually came with this set as the box tray seems to have a spot that could contain some straight track or perhaps this tray had multiple uses for larger sets. Also would be interested in a value range. Thanks in advance. Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32205	From: pmcelroy	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: Information Request on Set 20175

There were two sets with that number. The only difference appears to be the box. Set Year Name Engine Cars 20175 1959 Promotional 1959 21160 24110 24325 24630 Accessories. 20-26720 6-26700 2-26810 22004 770 Box Info B2N589-B2N339 22 X 19.75 X 3.5 4 Interstate 11-59 Set Year Name Engine Cars 20175 1959 Promotional 1959 21160 24110 24325 24630 Accessories. 20-26720 6-26700 2-26810 22004 770 Box Info B2N259-B2N260 22 X 19.75 X 3.5 4 Interstate 9-60 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bellokdaka@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Information Request on Set 20175 > Hello. I am wondering if anyone could offer any information on a train > set that I have, box is marked Set # 20175 B-2N589 M-4304. Included > in the set is a number 21160 Reading Atlantic - number 24325 Gulf Tanker > - number 24110 Pennsylvania Gondola - number 24630 AF Lines Caboose - > number 22004 Transformer, 24 pieces of curved Flyer track (older style, > not Pikemaster) and a cardboard bridge and trestle set. The engine has > a functional knuckle coupler, no light, no smoke, or choo-choo. All the > cars have solid couplers. The only info I have found was that > Greenberg's showed the engine produced between 1958-1960. I would > appreciate any info as to what actually came with this set as the box > tray seems to have a spot that could contain some straight track or > perhaps this tray had multiple uses for larger sets. Also would be > interested in a value range. Thanks in advance. > Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 Obie Bell > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32206	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: Information Request on Set 20175

Hello, This is what Maury Romer has listed in his train compositions book that I obtained from him years ago; #20175 1959 Promotional Train Set 21160 Atlantic Loco and Tender 1 24110 Gondola 1 24325 Tank Car 1 24630 Caboose 1 22004 Transformer 1 Trestle Set 1 26810 Power Clip Assy. 1 26721 Curve track 4 Instruction Sheet 1 A footnote here states to see #20123, and upon an examination of its contents lists basically the same contents as this set, with a 24310 and a 24610 instead, but with 20 pcs. of curve and 6 pcs. of straight track, which your set probably came with also. Hope this helps. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32207	From: Bill Lange	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Drive Wheel Shorting

Thanks to all for your help with my problem. The 302 is puffing happily in forward and reverse. The wheel didn't seem to have a wobble so I suspected the boss was worn. After pulling the wheel, it turned out to be that although the rim was not loose, the hub just needed to be set a little deeper. Thanks again! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32208	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/2/2004
Subject: Re: OLD POST.....

I posted this about a year ago.... I still think its FUNNY...... Bob http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/tugboat.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32209	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947

Dear Jace: Thank you very much for looking up the article and telling me what pages it is on. So someone imported them in O Scale. Ah well, I model in S Scale. Dear Colin: Thanks for posted on the Cdn-E-Rys list that the scale is 17/64th so I will not be adjusting by 75% to get to 3/16" scale. Instead I will be adjusting by 70 - 71% based on the copier. Thanks again to all! Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:50:31 -0800 From: "JGG KahnSr" <jacekahn@...> Subject: WCF&N 101: MR Dec 1947 Dear Marty I dug out my copy and I am not clear what it is you are lacking if you have all the items listed at the end of your message. The article begins on page 996 with the title "Iowa Interurban" and views of the model and a view of the observation platform, with text and the layout of the sides at the bottom of the page; 997-98 are additional text with more photos and sketches of construction details; pages 999-1000 are the scale drawings; 1001, 1003-4 are more text and sketches (1002 is an ad for GMC). Several years ago I enlarged the drawings to 1/4" when I photocopied them and had it on my list of future projects, but since Stan Richmond imported a quite satisfactory version, I shall see about buying one of those and save my time and energy for other projects. Jace Kahn Mostly Fairbanks > I am hunting a copy of "The Model Railroader" magazine from December >1947. I have part of this issue. Someone cut out pages 997 - 1004 >which is most of an article on building Waterloo, Cedar Falls, and >Northern car 101. >However, this is not the complete article. > Does anyone have a copy of this magazine? May I get a photocopy of >the complete article? I am quite willing to pay a reasonable cost. > >The pages I do have has construction instructions, photos, and full >drawings (interior and out). The plans are in 3/16 inch scale, no >less! > >Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32210	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

To all I have been going thru my S-Gaugian Roundhouses trying to rehear Tom's voice and thought I would remind all that Tom did an index of his articles and writings in the March/April 2004 issue. Every time i run or fix 'em I will check to see if there are relevant articles. He knew that he was getting weak and reviewing his thoughts. I saw him this summer for the Dover train show and he did not let on how bad things were. I guess he thought it was too late to stop smoking his hand rolled smokes...I am glad he got to show me some of his techniques and to mellow out a bit--Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32211	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Stolen document

I found this document about you. ++++ Attachment: No Virus found ++++ Norman AntiVirus - www.norman.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 5, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32213	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/3/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

How about us Fla guys going on the chat around 10:00?????? and any others.... will check in......... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32214	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2392

Our S group ( more like a family ) has a library, I believe it is a tribute to Russ Mobly? one of the pioneer S gages. It should also have a " wall of fame " similar to most sports and professional groups. For people like Tom Jarcho who contributed so much to our hobby, and to other pioneers and contributors to our hobby. Tom Jarcho, a fellow S-gager will be missed. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32215	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: My condolences.

Dear S-List Members, Although I never met Tom Jarcho in person I feel that I have lost a good friend. His comments printed in this list, technical pointers that he provided, and good advice on American Flyer things, whether A.C. Gilbert or Lionel, will be missed, but nowhere near as much as his presence with us. I'm sure A.C. Gilbert greeted him as he entered heaven and thanked Tom for a "job well done." We'll miss you, Tom. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32216	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: HURRICANES.........

I am prepared for Francis.......... BUT NOW I SEE IVAN!!!!!!!!!.... similar to where Charlie started....... with continued course and a slight swing north..... next Sat / Sun for Fla....What a year!!!!!!! Want to go to Kissimmee Wed to see if the B-17 and other Warbirds are OK....Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32217	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups

Hi All, I got this is in my mail from my email from the brass collectors group today. Yahoo is considering greatly reducing the free groups, reducing the storage of the groups, and promoting a premium (Read for PAY) service. It is a lengthy survey where they do not allow you much space to say you like it as it is and would NOT pay for premium groups. But you have to do it! Please take the survey. Here is the original message. Yahoo is making plans to introduce a premium Yahoo Groups service. This means not all groups would remain free. This wouldn't be horrible, except that it looks like they're talking about downgrading the free groups where they have considerably less storage space than they do now. So FIGHT BACK!!! Yahoo has a survey going on right now asking Yahoo Groups users what they would think about this premium service. Please take this survey and make it clear to Yahoo that you do not want to pay for groups and that you don't think any features/storage space should be taken away from free Yahoo Groups. There is one place in the survey where Yahoo asks you to write any features you would like to see groups have. Please use this space to tell them you're against premium groups. Here is the URL for the survey: http://sweepstakes.yahoo.com/groupspremiumsurvey2 If you like our group and don't want to pay for it, please take time to fill out the survey! Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32218	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups

At 13:59 9/4/2004, Bill Lane wrote: >Hi All, > >I got this is in my mail from my email from the brass collectors group >today. Yahoo is considering greatly reducing the free groups, reducing the >storage of the groups, and promoting a premium (Read for PAY) service. It is >a lengthy survey where they do not allow you much space to say you like it >as it is and would NOT pay for premium groups. But you have to do it! Please >take the survey. Hi Bill Done John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32219	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Move North! Just kidding, Bob. I wish you all the best with these storms. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] HURRICANES......... > I am prepared for Francis.......... BUT NOW I SEE IVAN!!!!!!!!!.... similar to where Charlie started....... with continued course and a slight swing north..... next Sat / Sun for Fla....What a year!!!!!!! Want to go to Kissimmee Wed to see if the B-17 and other Warbirds are OK....Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32220	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Hello, Power out here for several hours, on battery now as had to shut down generator due to high winds and rain. Cable Internet still working though, when I have power. Trains dry so far! Chuck Winter Park / Orlando FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32221	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Microsoft Train Simulator

Hi Folks I found a great website called 3DTrains. http://www.3dtrains.com/ They do Digital art, Trains. You can go to their page and download New RR engines and other items for you Microsoft Train Simulator. You can buy their newer downloads for a reasonable price and pay it through Pay-Pal. But you can down load their older ones for free. I did and it worked out fine. Of course I downloaded the NYC F Units. If interested go to their website http://www.3dtrains.com/ Click on downloads for the free ones. Here is the procedure I used. 1. Click Downloads 2. Click on the different buttons and decide what you want. 3. Click on your choice 4. When the down load window pops up chick on save & make sure it goes to Documents. 5. When it finishes downloading click on close. 6. Close down the 3dTrain website. 7. Go to "My Documents" 8. Right Click on ---Freeware setup and run your anti-virus program. 9. when done Right click ---Freeware setup and follow directions. BTW they are working on new routes too. John John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32222	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Good news, Chuck. Thanks for checking in. We are experiencing 30-50 mph winds. A few small trees down. Heavy rain comes in spurts with the hurricane bands. It's crawling at 5 mph so it'll be around awhile. Good luck... Barb Chuck Harrington wrote: > Hello, > > Power out here for several hours, on battery now as had to shut down > generator due to high winds and rain. > > Cable Internet still working though, when I have power. > > Trains dry so far! > > Chuck > > Winter Park / Orlando FL > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32223	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Hi Ya'll, So far so good here. Gusty winds and rain but still have power and Cable Internet. Just getting the bands here now. Trains high and dry as of now :) Good luck and may God Bless Florida! Dane Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32224	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Living in Florida is the WORST. I suggest that you out of state folks stay away. Don't even visit, be safe! Snakes , Bugs and Killer Storms! ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32225	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: hurricanes

Best advice I give everyone I meet MOVE NORTH. Not only do we get these storms on a regular basis but we are the lightning capital of North America. Funny you never see this mentioned in brochures. Longing for the mountains of western NC. Still OK weatherwise in St. Pete. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32226	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Hang in there, folks! Hope you weather the storm well. Talked to my son in Jax today - they're in limbo since the storm slowed down. The US Navy decided not to take the ships out YET - hope they don't decide to do it later - seas are already 15 - 17' off Jax! Keep us posted. Dick Aurora, OH At 05:56 PM 9/4/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Good news, Chuck. Thanks for checking in. >We are experiencing 30-50 mph winds. A few >small trees down. Heavy rain comes in spurts >with the hurricane bands. It's crawling at 5 mph >so it'll be around awhile. > >Good luck... Barb > >Chuck Harrington wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Power out here for several hours, on battery now as had to shut down > > generator due to high winds and rain. > > > > Cable Internet still working though, when I have power. > > > > Trains dry so far! > > > > Chuck > > > > Winter Park / Orlando FL > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32227	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/4/2004
Subject: Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups

Yahoo sez: >Yahoo is making plans to introduce a premium Yahoo Groups service. What, AGAIN? Didn't they do this a couple years ago? Didn't they reduce the max size (400x300, that's all I can get) of images in the photos section? (Which is why I don't upload anything there anymore...) Another squeeze, eh? Sheesh! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32228	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Wow we are getting pounded! Still no power. Using my computer UPS to now, but shutting down to save the battery! All OK so far... Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32229	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: HURRICANES.........

Don't forget the 35 mph running Alligators in your state! O:)! Be near a tree! If it isn't blown down, by the storm, to run up, incase you meet a Gator! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <paul@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HURRICANES......... > Living in Florida is the WORST. > I suggest that you out of state folks stay away. Don't > even visit, be safe! > Snakes , Bugs and Killer Storms! > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32230	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricanes Rule

You don't know how difficult it is for a University of Florida gator to say hurricanes rule - but I definitely mean the real hurricanes - not the ones from the university of Miami. If it takes hurricanes, humdity and insects to keep people away from my home state of Florida, then that's a good thing. Maybe that way there will be some space left for me to retire back there one fine day!! BG1 - A Florida Native temporarily stuck in Atlanta!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32231	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricane Francis ugh - link to photos of 1st damage at my house

OK, My status... Running on generator, will have to shut it down soon as the real heavy rain and wind moves in! Just spent an hour in attic placing buckets and cooking pans under leaks, after we saw wet spots on the the living room wall. Took photos of the damage so far, I am not happy. The roof is being systematically torn apart. Links to an this album show my house before and the way it looked a half hour ago. I took photos, even though we are not even supposed to leave the house! http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album09 They tell me the worst is still to come. I find it hard to believe I still have Internet! Later... (Hopefully!) Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32232	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Hurricane Frances

Hi All, There has been a major Sprint outage centered at the main office in Winter Park, FL (near Orlando). This may mean no access to the internet for dial-up and some broad band users. In fact I just got internet access back. Those of you trying to call into the state may experience problems trying to connect. Many of us may not make it to the chat tonight. This problem is state-wide. Unfortunately we still have the heaviest part of the storm to weather tonight and tomorrow. The East side is always the worst. Wish us luck and send prayers... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32233	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Frances

Hello Ya'll, 2:45 pm here and we are just now starting to get the heavier bands hitting us now. Sheeting rain, wind speeds prolly about 50-70MPH. Power has flickered a few times but has come right back. Roadrunner still going strong. :) No damage yet, and am hoping none will occur. Thanks for your concern Barb! Take care, Dane Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32234	From: John G	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Francis ugh - link to photos of 1st damage at my house

Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: The roof is being systematically torn apart. Chuck - Glad you are safe & hope your roof holds. On the bright side, look at the huge layout you can build when you take down all that plywood! John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32235	From: atlantic300	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

Just another word to add to the many to express how sadly I feel about the loss of Tom jarcho, and to the impact he had in contributing so positively to the enjoyment of American Flyer trains. Leon Tomash

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32236	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 5, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32237	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/6/2004
Subject: Re: spell checker

Here is the SPELL CHECKER requested last night on the chat..... Bob Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marquees four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:08 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] spell checker In our recent discussion on writing magazine articles, several members mentioned using the spell checker in one's word processing program. Well, sometimes that is not enough. There was an article in the NY Times sports section today about a basketball coach and a player who had had a fistfight but have since reconciled. The article described how the player put his arm around the coach's "waste". Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32239	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: Still Selling Trains in the Atfermath of Charley, Frances, and.....

The never ending sounds of chain saws, branches hitting the house, driving rain pounding windows under a 12 foot covered porch, wind whistling through cracks and holes you didn't know you had, watching the lights going on and off, wondering where you put the manhatten fixin's...................aaaah the joys of Florida! The new list is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com We have cut a path through the carnage to get the UPS trucks in so send in your orders before Hurricane Ivan gets here! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32240	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke Out of Commission

Just got this cell phone e-mail..............Paul Yorke will be unavailable until power is restored..........How will we ever survive? Hang in Paul. Use chrome passenger cars to redirect sunlight to your tinfoil pan to cook hotdogs! Power is out to most of southeast Florida so it may be a while!. Mark Paul Yorke wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Yorke Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Still Selling Trains in the Atfermath of Charley, Frances, and..................... To: amerflyer@... Please tell list! I have no power! Just cell phone email --- amerflyer@... wrote: > The never ending sounds of chain saws, b *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32241	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: K335 Wiring

Does anyone know of a great wiring source of how to wire a K335? Basically all the wiring was removed from this engine & tender. I could probably get a 336 & duplicate the wiring on the K335 if it is identical. Some kid probably thought it would be fun to totally dismantle this engine & toss many of the parts & wiring away. Help! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32242	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: S-Trains list members now over 900 !!!

I know some,....NEVER go to the S-Trains site! (at Yahoo). I pop in every so often to check our numbers. We are now at 901 members!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32243	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 9/7/2004
Subject: AM S scale DC F-7 SP Diesel for sale

I have an American Models Southern Pacific Black F-7 for Sale This has scale wheels, and is DC , It has Kadee couplers. It is nearly new but is missing some of the windows. Test runs very well with a SHS power pack. $130 shipped USPS to the USA. add $3 for insurance. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32244	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Kancali Rubber Brick Sheets - Manufacturer's Answer Re Question Abo

For all: Below is my question about S scale size I posed to Kancali & their answer. I've copied them on this note in the event they'd like to add anything. Regards. Paul S. +++++++++++++++++++++ Q: I saw your molded rubber brick street sections in S scale reviewed in the 10/04 Railroad Model Craftsman but couldn't find them easily on your website. Appreciate your assistance in pointing me in the right direction! Thanks. Paul S. A: Thanks for checking out our website. The closest size section we have available for S scale is our O scale street sections. We introduced our product at the National Model Railroad Show in Seattle in July, and probably half the O scale product we started with was purchased by S scalers. The issue with scale is relative because street pavers are not necessarily a standard size. Thanks again for your inquiry, and hope this helps. Chris kancali.com ++++++++++++++++++++ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32245	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Frances Aftermath

Hi Folks, Power is still out at my house (20 miles south and another 20 east of Paul Yorke). There is no USMail Service - although I saw no snow nor sleet. The newspaper comes each day, now and we just got phone service back. I logged in from work since this part of Boca Raton has power. We experienced minor damage to the yard, house and the well. No damage to any trains, scenery or any people. So, the serious stuff has been protected. Later, Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32246	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Modern S trucks

Hi Folks Here is a great site http://www.jaydeez.com/ They sell built up, Kits and detail parts for modern 164th trucks Check it out. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32247	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Auction Winners - Still some left

Note: forwarded message attached. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32248	From: Paul	Date: 9/8/2004
Subject: Mags - Auction s

On generator today. I am saving all the winning info. Just hang loose, as soon as I get running water, I will turn my attention to the mags. And yes there are still some left. Thanks to all who participated. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32249	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] All-Star Electric Trains of the 1950s

As usual AF gets very little mention. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlechner2001" <Joseph.Lechner@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: [toytrains] All-Star Electric Trains of the 1950s > Received the following information from Kalmbach Publishing. > > Joseph Lechner > > ************************* > > All-Star Electric Trains of the 1950s is scheduled for 100 pages, 96 > pages of stories and only 4 pages of ads. That number may change > slightly since the publication is still in the creation stage. It > will go on sale in stores March 1, 2005, but will be mailed to those > who order it ahead of time in mid-February, give or take a week. > > All-Star Electric Trains of the 1950s is a hybrid of a book and a > magazine. While it physically looks like a magazine and is priced > close to a magazine, it is like a book in the sense that it stands > alone - there isn't a new one every month. > > It contains all new content. None of the stories (right now there are > 19 of them) have been published previously in CTT. > > Most of the content is Lionel, but there is also information on > Flyer, Kusan/AMT, and others. Highlights include F3 sets, trains of > 1954, factory display layouts, the layout on the back of the 1957 > catalog, Lionel in the Sunday comics, top 10 postwar accessories, and > more. All of the stories are postwar, no prewar and no modern era. > > If anyone has trouble ordering through the website, simply call > Kalmbach at 800-533-6644. There will also be mail-in postcards to > order the special issue in upcoming CTTs. > > Neil Besougloff, editor > Classic Toy Trains magazine > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32250	From: Paul	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Bugging Out!

We have had enough. Our road is now so flooded that our rental Jeep just barely makes the trip. We just grabbed two tickets to Boston on Saturday. I will have my cell phone with email, so if anyone wants to hook up, drop me an email, maybe we can 'do lunch'. We plan on a side trip to east harford and up to New Hamphire. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32251	From: editor	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Last Call for 2004 Convention photos -- NMRA, NASG & Santa Clara NG

Greetings All, This is a last chance call for 2004 NMRA, NASG & NG photos for the upcoming 1:64 Modeling Guide V8I6. If you have 1:64 scale photo(s) of a/your contest model & you would like to share it with your fellow SMG readers, please send it now. Snail mail is OK, email is preferred--send now! Also, if you have a story or antidote about one or all of these conventions, please contact us off-list at Editor@...--MS Word is preferred but chiseled granite slabs are accepted. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com Email: Editor@... SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32252	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Re: More Reefer blatant advertising.

The New 40' Billboard Wooden Reefers sailed on the P&O NL Houtman from Hong Kong this week. New roadnames include: Carnations Milk, Our Mother's Cocoa, Merchant Biscuit, Banner Beer and another run of #00477 unlettered yellow reefers. We expect these the first week in October (hopefully in time for York, UP willing). We displayed the painted samples at the NMRA National Train Show (Seattle) and the NASG Big Show in Chicago. They can be ordered through our hobby shop network or from us via phone, fax or online. http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html blatant advertising.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32253	From: Alan Evans	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Covered gondolas

List: Believe Gil Hulin from Mainstreeter Trains has round coil covers for AF 40 ft. gondolas. I have a yellow C & O pair. - Alan Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32254	From: waldootten	Date: 9/9/2004
Subject: Transportation thoughts

The business sections of our two daily Chicago papers are filled with stories bemoaning the many airlines that are in or on the verge of bankruptcy. ATA will be downsizing and cutting flights. Delta may lay off 7,000 employees. Yadda, yadda. At the same time, I read that Amtrak will be shutting down many long routes, including direct New York to Chicago service, after March 1. The Interstate System highways are heavily clogged and under constant repair. So, how am I supposed to get around the country if all of my transportation options are being reduced or screwed up? Just wondering, Phil K Definitely plan to take Amtrak through Horseshoe Curve one time before they pull the plug on that route.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32255	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: Jet Transport Container Needed

Hello All, I need a jet transport container. One of mine is missing the top half and the bottom half is missing the legs. The other container is ok. If you have one you would like to sell or trade, please let me know. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32256	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: AZ 18; MT 2

Golly, gee, Sgt. Carter, Arizona is up to 18 NASG folks. Why that's a 300% increase from the 88-89 "Dispatch" directory. Can any other state claim that kind of growth? I think not. (Figures don't lie; liars figure.) Regardless of membership growth, Jeff Madden, and probably a small horde of WI gnomes and trolls, are to be congratulated for producing such a fine directory for 04-05. Especially, liked the centerfold. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32257	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32258	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 9/10/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

842 UP truck service 1947+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/842.gif 843 KCS M of W trucks. 2003+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/843.gif 844 PROX 50' tank 7-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/844.gif 845 MP caboose 1949-50 http://mopac1.tripod.com/845.gif 846 AG Processing Inc. 50' tank 6-99 http://mopac1.tripod.com/846.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32259	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: convention car

Will be attending the NASG convention in PA next July and wanted to order a convention car. Check and letter came back today as unknown address. Anyone know the correct address to reserve a car? Ed awaiting Ivan in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32260	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: TRAIN SHOW

HI, upcoming train show in western pa,Sheraton inn at cranberry, on sept 19,stop in if your in the area and say hello, i will have a large amount of flyer for sale,thanks lou. ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32261	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: FS road race set

hi,email me off list if interested in a aurora road race set,thanks lou. ----- Original Message ----- From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> S> > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32262	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: Holy Hot Wheels Batman!!!!

Hot Wheels has released a "Batmobile".....not 'dead-on' 1/64th, I'm sure,... but maybe a fun car to add to yer layout! And under a buck! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/Batmoblie_by_Hot_Wheels Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32263	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/11/2004
Subject: Re: convention car

Dear Ed, We are proud to be able to supply the NASG 2005 Convention car. I have forwarded your e-mail to Greg Miller, the Chairman of the convention. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. marpack57@... wrote: >Will be attending the NASG convention in PA next July and wanted to order a >convention car. Check and letter came back today as unknown address. Anyone >know the correct address to reserve a car? Ed awaiting Ivan in Fla > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32264	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: New SHS Internet Special

The SHS Internet Specials have been very popular, so I just posted the first in the new series. The Internet Special car is a Great Northern Steel Rebuilt Box Car, again at 25% off, $29.95. The 7th order will win a free car! This Special will last until Wednesday evening, and is only available from the SHS website. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32265	From: sjtewks	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Trains

I've been reading the postings for some time, and it's quite an interesting group. I have had nothing to contribute, so I have not posted until now. It seems that people here are running a whole mix of manufacturers and scales, which is great (I have American Flyer O and S, and Marx). I had six running under the tree last Christmas. If anyone is looking for vintage trains, Ray Ellen at Vienna Station (Vienna, VA) is a great guy to buy from. I have purchased many items from him over the years and have never been disappointed. And, he charges such a little for shipping, I almost feel like I'm stealing when he tells me the cost. He has a website, and posts some of his trains as well as vintage toys. I found out about him by surfing the internet, but I have visited his home where he keeps his amazing collection of trains and toys. I have nothing in this, but I felt that I should pass on a word about someone who has done much for me and others.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32266	From: supersmokebob	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: GARGRAVES TRACK

Available for purchase, approximately 200 ft. of Gargraves Regular 2-rail track. Approximately 50% is formed as 3 ft. Wide Radius Curve lengths and the balance is 3 ft. straight lengths. Some power connectors our soldered to the track. This is used trackage in good usable condition. $100 + S&H takes it. If interested, pleae contact me between 10 AM & 5 PM. ALL ABOARD RAIL ROAD 1952 LANDIS VALLEY RD. LANCASTER, PA. 17601 717-392-1568

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32267	From: EGesner52@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2398

It may not be too long, after Charley, most of it was back up within a week, almost all within two weeks. The big problem is replacing poles. I've been a lurker, but I live in Charlotte County, where Charley hit, so have seen what they can do with all the cooperative agreements. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32268	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: japan s-gage

hi MeMbers ,hopefully the terrible FRANCES storm wasn't near you. my hope and prayer all is well for you in health and loved ones and homesi write the membersip for info on the post war JAPAN S-_GAGE. THE TCA QUARTERLY INCLUDED INFO IN THE JULY 1998 ISSUE. RECENTLY THE STOUT AUCTIONS HAD SOME OF IT IN THE AUCTION.I HAVE SEVERAL PCS. ALSO. ITS NOT TO SCALE BUT THE TINPLATE IS GOOD. THE TCA ARTICLE DATES SOME OF IT BACK TO 1948 WAS JAPAN MANUFACTURING BACK TO MAKE TOYS THAT SOON AFTER WW-2?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32269	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: PHASING

IN THE RECENT HORRIBLE/TERRIBLE EFFECTS THAT FRANCIS HAD DONETO PEOPLE IN FLORIDA-MATTERS TO DEAL WITH THE POWER OUTAGE THERE IS THE PORTABLE GENERATOR USED FOR DERIVING THE AC ELECTRICTY. OFCOURSE THE TRAIN TRANSFORMER QUESTION IS ... BY USING A GENERATOR WILL THE TRAIN TOY TRANSFORMERS BE PHASED AUTOMATICALLY OR IS A ADJUSTMENT REQ'D. BEST WISHES TO ALL--JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32270	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: chat

does anyone get to chat besides sundays???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32271	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Modjule's

what i have for layout space is a area 12'x12' around a L corner on the outside and 30" deep, planning on a 5x5' corner and 2 2.5x7' arms now what i kinda need here from the communiety is 1 while id rather run just a single track main im thinken double are more commen on track im trying to decide between commerical prodoucts and just going ahead and handlaying it all. iv a mine area and interchange planed going to a hiden under modjule stageing yard with upper cascades kind of scenery..and can somone tell me where i might be able to find dimensional info on block signals SP type? 3 target. IE pole with 3 single lamp target lights. there is a small passenger station /package freight interchange place along with the mine freight internchange for unit/ore slurry tank car/trains not quite shure on what kind of motive power im going to invest in yet but probably desils inless i can find a 2 or 3 2-10-2 santa fe decapods to use,, id aprecate anyones thoughts and or recomendations on structural and wireing and other things..if i plan on doing only a single track main should i build a couple 2.5x4' modjules to go from double mains to single? thanks GNminerals.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32272	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: AF train list

Hi Everybody, Two days ago my latest 7 page list of AF trains for sale was e-mailed to eveyone in my address book. If you have not received a copy but would like one, please e-mail me. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32273	From: trainman634	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: SHS American Flyer wheelsets

Has anyone on the forum replaced their american flyer plastic wheelsets with the SHS metal wheelsets made for A.F. freight cars? How do they work? Are there any problems using them?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32274	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: track,and other notes

after thinking about track for a while iv decided to use 33.25 36 ans 38.75 in radi curves for most of my running track on the modjules iv planned..did a little re design work to include a run around shelf so it can be run self contained in a 12x12' area and have single mainline connects to other modjules and since iv went this far i think ill build 2 more 4 ' end modjles to change from single to double track main and the other arm of a Y to the stageing loop great thing to have a plain shelf for setup and trouble shooting in back of the modjule frontings...in this case 12" wide 3 tracks..as always i invite comments,, chandos/Gnminerals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32275	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32276	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

OK Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32277	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/12/2004
Subject: Can't get to Chat site!

Well, here I am in Dunsmuir trying to get to the chat, but this ISP says it can't get to the S-scale domain! Ah well, having a great time at my mom's 80th birthday party! Hope all is well down in Floriday way! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32278	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Re: SHS American Flyer wheelsets

We have sold quite a few of these to our customers, with zero complaints or returns. When SHS was first testing these, Don sent us a set to test-run. We found no problems with their operation. They provide better "rollability", a little extra weight, and they will tend to stay a bic cleaner than the plastic wheels do. A definite improvement, if you actually "operate" your original AF. And, of course, it isn't permanent.....hang onto your original wheelsets, and you can put them back for any "collectable" value later! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- trainman634 wrote: >Has anyone on the forum replaced their american flyer plastic >wheelsets with the SHS metal wheelsets made for A.F. freight cars? How >do they work? Are there any problems using them? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32279	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2403

TO FRIENDS OF TOM JARCHO Tom's family informs me that they will hold a small memorial service for Tom at " Symphony Space" (95TH and Broadway, NYC) on Saturday Sept 18 at 2 PM. All friends ;train, music etc are invited to stop in-- Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32280	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby Train Shows

Hi Folks The Worlds Greatest Hobby organization will be doing trains shows around the country to promote model railroading. Check it out at, http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32281	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: power units

is anyone manufaturing a desil dc scale power emd frame for AF desil shells..also is there a SD truck avaliable somewhere? or is that something that needs to be built? and were the sd 7/9's a longer hood that the gp? chandos/Gn minerals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32282	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Please reconnect me to the S-list.

Please reconnect me to the S-list. Thanks Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32283	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Canoes?

Anyone know if S scale canoes or kayaks are available some where? I need a half dozen, preferable fairly modern. I'd prefer S scale, but will not be measuring to inch, so a bit larger or smaller is OK. And scratch building is not in the plans, due to time constraints... Thanks in advance for any leads. Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32284	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 9/13/2004
Subject: Brand new South Winds Models 2-8-0 loco

Somebody is going to get a really great deal. This loco is absolutely new,= never out of the original packing materials or box. Original cost was $800! AF Compatible South Wind Models "S" Brass UP 2-8-0 Loco eBay Item number: 5918411478 Ends Sep-18-04 20:00:00 PDT 1 bid   (US $200.00 starting bid) Seller information: ironhorse061252 ( 48) Positive Feedback: 100% This S scale brass locomotive and tender are completely compatible with Ame= rican Flyer trains. It was manufactured by OCS Precision Engineering Company in Korea a= nd imported by South Wind Models. The locomotive has never been removed from the origin= al packing materials. The locomotive model number is SWM-S8 (Af-compatible) and the te= nder is the C-70 short coal tender. The paint and marking are for the Union Pacific Rai= lroad. AC, Hi- rail operation only! All original packing materials and instruction sheets = as provided by South Wind Models are included.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32285	From: keefer1	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: collectorauctions.com

In case any other list members deal with these guys, here is an email response I got from them concerning an "ebay type" scam.It is a spoof. We occasionally suffer from scammers who copy the CollectorAuctions 'letterhead' and modify it to read any way they wish, then use a 'scraper' program to collect email addresses from CollectorAuctions. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to prevent this from occuring -- all we can do is remind our customers that any email requesting credit card information is bound to be a scam. CollectorAuctions only requires credit card for registered sellers, and in case of any issues we would contact the seller by phone. Let me know if you have any other questions. Pete Ruesch Stout Auctions __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32286	From: editor	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby Train Shows

Just to follow up on John's message, I am very proud to announce that your 1:64 Modeling Guide, BTS & SHS will have three large adjacent both representing 1:64 at the Edison, NJ location in December. Maybe we can get more S/Sn manufacturers to join us? I know for a fact that we all will have some very cool new stuff not yet shared with the public! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide" Subject: Hi Folks The Worlds Greatest Hobby organization will be doing trains shows around the country to promote model railroading. Check it out at, http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32287	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: scale radius

Some of the Maine S Gaugers are moving out on a sectional layout. We would like to be able to run some scale length equipment. My question might not be for exactly for this list, but I'm hoping someone will know what minimum radius is recommended for something like an 80 ft passenger coach. On my home layout, the AM coaches work well on a 36" radius, however there is quite a bit of over hang. Any thoughts on what minimum radius might look good? Thanks, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32288	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Re: AF train list

Michael: Please e-mail me a copy of your latest list. Thanks. Steve Schwartz ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32289	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/14/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2404

pls change my listing to "Tom Hillery"... <g-wolfgang5@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32290	From: trainman634	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Docksider

Was the original American Flyer docksider a good engine to use for switching on a layout? Does anyone think the new docksider will be a good engine for switching duties?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32291	From: polpolk9	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: japan-s

hi looking for info--any thing on it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32292	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Docksider

The A F docksider was not all that good for switching or anything else ? So the Flyonel engine hopefully can only be an improvment.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32293	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Docksider

Ron, Thanks 4 the info.... but could u explain why its not a good switcher for us who don't know? Thanx, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Ron Inscho [mailto:ronnat@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:35 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; trainman634 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Docksider The A F docksider was not all that good for switching or anything else ? So the Flyonel engine hopefully can only be an improvment.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32294	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2405

In a message dated 9/15/2004 12:26:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Any thoughts on what minimum radius might look good? Hi Tom, I use the 29" radius on my store layout with the AM/S-Helper passenger cars and they look pretty good, but 42 or 48 "would probably be ideal! Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32295	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2405

We use about a 36" radius on our club corner modules and the 80+ foot AM streamliners didn't look bad when we tried them. I felt it was a sensible compromise to allow us to use corner modules that are basically a 4'x4' config. with unused corners cut off. My AM heavyweight coaches, Amtrak Superliners and Budd cars look great with this radius. BTW, my last trip into NYC Penn Station I couldn't believe the steep angle between cars as seen from inside when they make that sharp underground U Turn. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ & http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2405 > In a message dated 9/15/2004 12:26:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Any thoughts on what minimum radius might look good? > Hi Tom, > I use the 29" radius on my store layout with the AM/S-Helper passenger cars > and they look pretty good, but 42 or 48 "would probably be ideal! Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32296	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers 23rd Annual Fall Get-Together

Hi All, Just a reminder that The Central Jersey S Scalers 23rd Annual Fall Get-Together is this weekend. http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html Saturday the 18th is by far the best day to attend. It is a not to be missed event. It is the once a year event that my 20' long yard module gets used. We mostly ran DCC last year. We will be prepared to do it again. Many vendors from all over the country will be there. Dan and I will be performing an all day clinic, "How to buy a Pennsy S Models X29". Just stop by our table and we will gladly show you the trick techniques and proper procedures to enhance your layout roster! Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32297	From: jt12313	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Showcase Rock switcher and caboose

As a Midwest lover of bankruptcy blue and white... any work on when Showcase will release these two? Now that American Models has a 50' Rock boxcar and hoppers I was wondering if my years of custom painting engines and rolling stock blue and white were over. Now if someone would do a gondola and other cars in Rock blue... Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32298	From: jt12313	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: mixing track varieties...

Has anyone out there mixed say, S-helper track, K-line big curves ,flyer switches, cross-overs and other track accessories on their layout... I have a bit of everything but I cannot figure out how to mount S-helper track on a board short of drilling holes and potentially making a mess. Thanks Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32299	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: mixing track varieties...

Dear Jeff, Hot melt (hot glue) or silastic bath tub caulk work just fine on our track. And when you want to move it, just get the scrapper and lift it off. Don jt12313 wrote: >Has anyone out there mixed say, S-helper track, K-line big curves ,flyer switches, cross-overs and other track accessories on their layout... > >I have a bit of everything but I cannot figure out how to mount S-helper track on a board short of drilling holes and potentially making a mess. > >Thanks > >Jeff > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32300	From: race944t	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Collectorauctions spoof

I too was spoofed by someone who got my e-mail address from them. I e-mailed Greg Stout and advised him this was happening, but never got a response. I'm going to their auction this weekend in Williamsport and will talk to Greg about it. Maybe he wants to put out yet another caution that you should always log onto a site directly and never through an e-mailed document if it is requesting ANY personal information. Bill Clark (the other Bill Clark) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32301	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Re: Collectorauctions spoof

I got one the other day from one of my credit card companies....... They had someone in Italy charging a 300.00+ Necklace.... I needed to immediately send information to stop it.... Card no. , Pin. No., SS number!!!! It all looked up and up..... I ignored it completely...... DON"T EVEN RESPOND to this junk..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Collectorauctions spoof > I too was spoofed by someone who got my e-mail address from them. I e-mailed Greg Stout and advised him this was happening, but never got a response. I'm going to their auction this weekend in Williamsport and will talk to Greg about it. Maybe he wants to put out yet another caution that you should always log onto a site directly and never through an e-mailed document if it is requesting ANY personal information. > > Bill Clark (the other Bill Clark) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32302	From: butchclimax	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: Over the gap

Hi all, Saw a 754 double bridge listed on eBay-Egads, I had always thought the 750 was able to be double tracked!! Was I wrong?? Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32303	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: SHS Internet Special just posted

I just posted the new SHS Internet Special. This one is a Clinchfield composite hopper, again at 25% off, $29.95. The 11th order will win a free car! This Special will last until Saturday evening, and is only available from the SHS website. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32304	From: roninscho9	Date: 9/15/2004
Subject: re docksider

the docksider was under weight, under powered & geared to run 900 mph, so it will not pull too much without over heating, all this & the 2 step e unit & poor electrical pick up is why it would not be too good for switching or operating of any kind. I bought these when they were still new, only to find out that they were poorly designed The new flyonel docksider can only be better

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32305	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: trucks for the Kaslo N5c

Hi All, The Kaslo Shops N5c Cabin Car kit will be ready to ship sometime in the future. But there are no trucks included. The correct trucks are pretty unique to the PRR. Please contact me directly if you want the correct trucks for your upcoming kit. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32306	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: YORK PARTIE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!! "S" LIST

Guys and gals...... some of our members are planning a get together in York this Oct.... Last April we had an Impromptu meeting in the fairgrounds at lunch.... We then had a Dinner at Golden Corral on Friday... (with the screaming kid).... which still was really nice...... It appears that Friday night would be the best as the Gilbert meeting is Thursday..Plus we usually go to the museum about 5 on Thur also.. Wed night is open..but lots don't get there till Thursday.. Sat we all are gone.... So what are your suggestions for a place to meet for Dinner that can accommodate all of us and have good FOOD and SPIRITS.....We would like to make reservations.... some GC have a meeting room in the back.... Check this one?.. Time is getting shorter.... less than 30 days till Tue. York.... I will be there Tue noon, Barb sometime Tue ( To beat us all to the good deals) , Chuck and some others.... Open for suggestions... The host, BARB, will have the final say so....Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32307	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Re.: Dockside switcher.

S-Gaugers, I agree with Ron and his analysis of the AC Gilbert dockside switcher. It was a beast. First of all, a switcher capable of supersonic (scale) speed is not very useful in its intended operation. A two position reversing unit is likewise not too good, but it at least allows one to reverse, a function required for switcher operations. I have two of these locomotives, and neither one can be reversed. So I have switchers that can go 900 mph on a one way street. I have purchased any S-gauge equipment that is not AC Gilbert, but a Flyonel dockside to go with my 342DC and 370 would be very nice, indeed. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:11:12 -0000 From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> Subject: re docksider the docksider was under weight, under powered & geared to run 900 mph, so it will not pull too much without over heating, all this & the 2 step e unit & poor electrical pick up is why it would not be too good for switching or operating of any kind. I bought these when they were still new, only to find out that they were poorly designed The new flyonel docksider can only be better [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32308	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Wiring diagrams for 325 and 335 locomotives

- Greetings - Regarding the locos with 4-wheel trailing trucks, the 325 and 335 seem to have identical wiring schemes as seen in the MDK-Aurotech book. This seems to be the end of the run for the 4-wire cable between engine and tender. The 326 and 336 are shown with 5 wires between the two. Here is the < plain > ASCII version of the circuit for 325 and 335. < plain > means do not let microsoft turn this into gobbledegook. ___________________________________ | | | | | __|__ O _____ o o | | | *** ( |__o o | O| | | * * ( | | | |____| *** (___________| | | | O | |_____|___________|___________________| bulb smoke brushes & field cab unit armature receptacle o o_ tender o | o | plug | | | | | | | | | \ \ | center & right fingers on | | front of reversing relay left & center fingers on \ \ | top of reversing relay | | | | o___| -o reversing relay coil | | terminals tender __| |__ trucks rear truck < > front truck Where there is a junction of two wires such as at the motor brush, the actual connection of wires may take place elsewhere such as at the cab receptacle. Gilbert American Flyer used this pattern on the plug and receptacle and, I believe, one other which allow the plug to be inserted upside down without changing the functionality of the locomotive and reverser. The 326 and 336 use five wires between locomotive and tender. I shall describe that separately for those who are curious. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32309	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Regarding the locos with 4-wheel trailing trucks, the 326 and 336 have identical wiring schemes as seen in the MDK-Aurotech book. This scheme is distinctive in that there are five wires from tender to engine. Four terminate in a removable plug fitted to a receptacle under the cab roof. The fifth wire is soldered to a brass rivet in the receptacle. Separating engine and tender involves unsoldering this lonesome wire. Raison d'etre - the fifth wire enabled full track voltage to headlamp and smoke unit. Here is the < plain > ASCII version of the circuit for 326 and 336. < plain > means do not let microsoft turn this into gobbledegook. ____________________________________________ | | _________________ | Locomotive | | | | | ---------- | __|__ O _____ o o | | | | *** ( |__o o | | fifth wire O| | | * * ( | | | | |____| *** (___________| | | | | O | | |_____|___________|___________________| | o rivet bulb smoke brushes & field cab | unit armature receptacle | _____________________________________________| | | | o o_ tender | Tender o | o | plug | ------ | | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | center & right fingers on | | | front of reversing relay | left & center fingers on \ \ | | top of reversing relay | | | | | |_____________________________ o___| -o reversing relay coil terminals |\ /| | \_***_/ | | * * | speaker, cap & resistor tender __| *** |__ trucks rear truck < > front truck Where there is a junction of two wires such as at the motor brush, the actual connection of wires may take place elsewhere such as at the cab receptacle. The plug to be inserted upside down without changing the functionality of the locomotive and reverser, but the headlamp and smoke unit will not operate. Corrections and suggestions are most welcome. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32310	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: Re: YORK PARTIE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!! "S" LIST

I plan to be there Thursday to Saturday. No suggestions but let me know what is decided. I agree with Friday night. Dick Aurora, OH At 09:53 AM 9/16/2004, robert allen conner wrote: >Guys and gals...... some of our members are planning a get together in >York this Oct.... Last April we had an Impromptu meeting in the >fairgrounds at lunch.... We then had a Dinner at Golden Corral on >Friday... (with the screaming kid).... which still was really nice...... >It appears that Friday night would be the best as the Gilbert meeting is >Thursday..Plus we usually go to the museum about 5 on Thur also.. Wed >night is open..but lots don't get there till Thursday.. Sat we all are >gone.... So what are your suggestions for a place to meet for Dinner that >can accommodate all of us and have good FOOD and SPIRITS.....We would like >to make reservations.... some GC have a meeting room in the back.... Check >this one?.. Time is getting shorter.... less than 30 days till Tue. >York.... I will be there Tue noon, Barb sometime Tue ( To beat us all to >the good deals) , Chuck and some others.... Open for suggestions... The >host, BARB, will have the final say so....Bob > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32311	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/16/2004
Subject: An O convert to S!

Ahhh, a convert here! See below. If anyone wants the article on the Terps, let me know! Mike Marmer *********************************************************************** Mike Enjoyed the article - Go Terps! I hope the game is on here! Well I am considering selling my entire O collection, I got hold of some Showcase Line S track and have been looking at their equipment and it is nice along with American Models, as well as Lionel (AF) and K line equipment! But to sell 20,000 worth of O gauge won't be easy! I like the Showcase line S track and you can get more into a layout that with 054 curves of O gauge! I will let you know the outcome! Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32312	From: Greg	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Great Scale Model Train & All American Hi-Rail & Collectors Train S

Hey You S Gaugers, Need an early Fall train show fix. Come on out to the next show on October 9-10, 2004 at the State Fairground in Timonium, Maryland. Just north of the Baltimore Beltway between York Rd and I-83. S Scale vendors scheduled to be present are: B.T.S., Bar Mills Scale Model, Wilson Harrell's Hobby Loads, and PA Heritage Models. NASG Promotion will also be present. The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club (BAAFC) will be setting up its modular layout for both days. That name is a little misleading. Our primary track is AF and switches, but we use K Line track for wide curves, Gargraves track for the yard and an American Models crossover. We also operate a lot of S Helper and American Models engines and rolling stock. But you can count on seeing the old Flyer steam engines and diesels too. We also have the PHM trolleys, Thomas Tank trains and an A.C. Gilbert Erector Set ferris wheel for the kids. The official website for the show is: http://www.gsmts.com/index.htm Hope you can make the show and make sure you stop by the BAAFC layout. We do enjoy playing with our toys. Greg Klein Lovettsville, VA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32313	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: CJSS 23rd Fall Get-together

Today is set-up day for our 23rd Fall Get-Together. So far we have the following dealers, individuals and mfgs. asking for tables: S Scale America (Des Plaines Hobbies) River Raisin Models Banta Model Works NJ International Hoquatt Hobbies Port Lines "S' Designs (Don DeWitt) Tomalco (Larry Morton) Pennsy "S" Models Lane's Trains Tyler Froatz (will be selling some of Bill Daiker's models) NASG (John Foley) S Helper Service Inc. Michael Greene (DCC display) This years clinic will V.S. Roseman showing us how he converted Plasticville and Kiln structures to S scale. Other activities include making new friends, meeting old friends, wisiting local hobby shops and Robin's open warehouse in the afternoon. More info can be found at: http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html You do not need to register online, but just come to the Church Hall. We are looking forward to seeing you!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32314	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Changes at Big L

Just got this off the TCA list, and it has been confirmed. "I've heard from multiple sources that Lionel CEO Bill Bracey and John Brady have been let go. We'll hear an official announcement later this week" I have no idea what this means for the future of the Flyonel Line, anyone out there have some ideas as to what's happening? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32315	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L

I vote for David Dewey to be the next Lionel CEO and then David could completely eliminate the O gauge line and go into full production of a S gauge line! LOL! Think of all the big bucks David you would be making as a CEO. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Changes at Big L > > Just got this off the TCA list, and it has been confirmed. > "I've heard from multiple sources that Lionel CEO Bill Bracey and John > Brady have been let go. We'll hear an official announcement later this > week" > > I have no idea what this means for the future of the Flyonel Line, anyone > out there have some ideas as to what's happening? > S' > David D. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32316	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L

OK, if they'll pay my moving expenses!!! Oh, and do I get to play with the display layout? :) S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32317	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L

My recollection is that a month on two ago someone was awarded a judgement against Lionel for an unapproved use of their tools in Korea by Lionel. I thought at the time that the award was quite high and might drive Lionel out of business. I wonder if Lionel's owners ("sugardaddies") have investigated this and found the people who directed this ill advised and conceived misdeed? (Don't you just love that word "ACCOUNTABILITY"?) Might this be the first step in getting the court awarded damages negotiated down to a resaonable, affordable level? bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Changes at Big L > > Just got this off the TCA list, and it has been confirmed. > "I've heard from multiple sources that Lionel CEO Bill Bracey and John > Brady have been let go. We'll hear an official announcement later this > week" > > I have no idea what this means for the future of the Flyonel Line, anyone > out there have some ideas as to what's happening? > S' > David D. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32318	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: imixing track varieties...

- GreetingS - Regarding the mixing of track products, one set of corner modules in the Caro- linas Division of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has 24" and 29" radius curves from SHS mated to A F track with the excellent but not stout rail joiners, also from SHS. My compliments to Don and crew on this track. The track is nailed with 1" wire nails to the plywood with the usual layer of I/O carpeting in the middle. Noise is subdued. All rails are bonded for better current capacity. Appearance is fantastic. An accident at tear-down tore up the stub of A F track at the edge and broke thejoiner. A piece of Gargraves was cut to serve as the bridge track over the joint between modules. The new rail joiner was handmade as follows. A strip was cut from springy brass weatherstripping (used on exterior doors) which couldbe pushed with a snug fit into the lower, rail-flange aperture of Gargraves track, a width near 3/16" (appropriate). Maybe 1 1/2" went into the rail and about 3/4" inch extended outwards. This was folded over a couple of times on the top side to set a raised level to which an ordinary joiner (fold around the bottom of the rail variety), in fact, part of the broken joiner, would be soldered. When the raised level was correct, the rail tops would be level with the SHS rail and joiner resting on the top layer of folded brass strip. The joiner was removed from the SHS trach after carefully noting side-to-side position and soldered to the brass. The brass strip is left in the Gargraves and the other end is slipped on or off the SHS rail. This has proved sturdy. If desired, I can make sketches to appear perhaps in the Dispatch. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32319	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32320	From: ironhorse061252	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Help! Bidders needed!

Someone is going to get the deal of a lifetime! AF Compatible South Wind Models "S" Brass UP 2-8-0 Loco ebay Item number: 5918411478 ends 11pm EDT Saturday This S scale brass locomotive and tender are completely compatible with American Flyer trains. It was manufactured by OCS Precision Engineering Company in Korea and imported by South Wind Models. The locomotive has never been removed from the original packing materials. The locomotive model number is SWM-S8 (Af-compatible) and the tender is the C-70 short coal tender. The paint and marking are for the Union Pacific Railroad. AC, Hi- rail operation only! All original packing materials and instruction sheets as provided by South Wind Models are included. Original cost was $800.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32321	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 9/17/2004
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell some SHS switches

I have 4 extra SHS #3 Switches for sale. There are 3 rights and one left. #298 and 299. These are very lightly used but never hooked up electrically. All are packed in original boxes with lever switch and wires as new. These are the original types, not the updated "A" ones. I will sell in pairs with shipping paid: 2 rights shipped USPS to USA for $75. 1 right and 1 left shipped USPS to USA for $75. All 4 for $145 This is less than the $83 plus shipping I got on EBAY 3 months ago. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32322	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Hi Mike, one more thing Gilbert - AF put a dot of red paint in the top corner of the plugin and the panel to mark the way it should go back together. Clayton D. --- rtg@... wrote: > > Regarding the locos with 4-wheel trailing trucks, > the 326 and 336 have > identical wiring schemes as seen in the MDK-Aurotech > book. This scheme > is distinctive in that there are five wires from > tender to engine. > Four terminate in a removable plug fitted to a > receptacle under the > cab roof. The fifth wire is soldered to a brass > rivet in the receptacle. > Separating engine and tender involves unsoldering > this lonesome wire. > Raison d'etre - the fifth wire enabled full track > voltage to headlamp > and smoke unit. > > Here is the < plain > ASCII version of the circuit > for 326 and 336. > < plain > means do not let microsoft turn this into > gobbledegook. > ____________________________________________ > | | _________________ | > Locomotive > | | | | | > ---------- > | __|__ O _____ o o | > | | | *** ( |__o o | | > fifth wire > O| | | * * ( | | | > | |____| *** (___________| | | > | | O | | > |_____|___________|___________________| | > o > rivet > bulb smoke brushes & field cab | > unit armature receptacle | > _____________________________________________| > | > | > | o o_ > tender > | Tender o | o | plug > | ------ | | | | > | | | | | > | | \ \ | > center & right fingers on > | | | front > of reversing relay > | left & center fingers on \ \ | > | top of reversing relay | | > | | | > |_____________________________ o___| -o > reversing relay coil terminals > |\ /| > | \_***_/ | > | * * | > speaker, cap & resistor > tender __| *** |__ > trucks rear truck < > > front truck > > > Where there is a junction of two wires such as at > the motor brush, the > actual connection of wires may take place elsewhere > such as at the cab > receptacle. > > The plug to be inserted upside down without changing > the functionality > of the locomotive and reverser, but the headlamp and > smoke unit will > not operate. > > Corrections and suggestions are most welcome. > > CheerS, > Rhett > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32323	From: butchclimax	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: "Hard Times Hit Oiltown"

Hi All, Am in the process of restoring a 773 Derrick. It needs new fluids. Can someone tell me EXACTLY what liquids are inside? (I am aware or repro units, but like the challenge of doing it myself) Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32324	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Re: Changes at Big L

To confirm what David has below. A small notice on www.trains.com Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > Just got this off the TCA list, and it has been confirmed. > "I've heard from multiple sources that Lionel CEO Bill Bracey and John > Brady have been let go. We'll hear an official announcement later this > week" > > I have no idea what this means for the future of the Flyonel Line, anyone > out there have some ideas as to what's happening? > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32325	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: Detail Kit

Gentlepersons: Just got a new Flyonel NYC Baldwin. Going to put into a work train with other NYC equipment. Has anyone put together a detail kit yet for the Baldwin or is anyone planning to. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32326	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/18/2004
Subject: 23rd CJSS Get Together

Hi All, For those of you who could not be at the 23rd Annual Central Jersey S Scalers Get Together today, here are a few of the milder photos of the Shindig. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/CJSS.jpg In order, we have photos of my VERY rare B&O Wagontop train, Don Thompson pontificating on why some still insist on using DC to run their trains, Bill Banta's wonderful display of his building kits, and the South Amboy Temporary Central, which will possibly already be dismantled by the time you read this. Vendors included River Raisin Models, S Helper Service, Des Plaines Hobbies, Dr. Ben's Weathering materials, Port Lines Hobbies, Bill Banta, Hoquat Hobbies, Tomalco Track, and of course Pennsy S Models and Lanes Trains. The "How To Buy a Pennsy S Models X29" clinic went very well. Don DeWitt had his usual "I am moving to O Scale" feeding frenzy with S bargains galore. It is disheartening that this it about the only way we see him anymore, with him being a former driving force in new S products. I am still not sure if this was Hoquat Hobbies 17th annual going out of business sale, or his first annual going back in business sale. Nonetheless, he left with a few less decals set then he came with because of me. As always a good time was had by all. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32327	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32328	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: chat

My computer can't find the server for chat tonight. This thing is goofy. Let me know if anyone has any ideas. CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32329	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/19/2004
Subject: I'm gonna be late for chat!

Hi Guys, Downtown in my office (where the line is at 56K), but no URL for chat, and I wanna go home anyway, so after a brief stop at the store, I'll be home and on chat! Found some neat RC cars for the layout today, as well as some swell parts for my '15 T! ALRIGHT!! Even bought some local orange blossom honey for Linda! S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32330	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2408

Gilbert H.O. I have an extra #504 Northern Pacific combination car like new in the box, trade or sell. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32331	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: B&O Mikado set

Hi All, Did I miss something or was I the first to notice the release has been pushed back to December now. Wasn't it November not long ago? Gene.....and yes I will be at York :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32332	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: 2004 Fall S-Fest

Hi all, Just to let you all know, there is still time to register for this years 29th Annual Fall S-Fest. The Badgerland Gaugers are hosting this year S-Fest just west of Milwaukee, Wis at the Waukesha County Arena. There are a limited about of trading tables left as well as a few of our S-Fest Cars. This years S-Fest car is a SHS Milwaukee Road Ice Car available in 3 numbers, they are really going fast. Annually the fall S-Fest is one of the premier events in "S", and this years will be no exception. There will be something for the whole family. There will be tours on both Friday and Saturday, clinics and slide shows, train races, up to 5 layouts at the convention, concessions including a Friday night Fish Fry. A Saturday night banquet and Sunday layout tours. There will be at least 7 layouts available to see, there will be scale, hi-rail and American Flyer layouts on the tour. And of course don't forget all the dealers and traders to get your fix of goodies for the upcoming winter model railroad season. Don't miss out on this one. For more information, registration and car order forms, please visit our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg or contact: Roy Meissner, Registrar 262-538-4325 or: e-mail rmeissner@... Steve Lunde, Chairman 262-574-1086 or: e-mail srs@... Hope to see all of you soon. Regards, Steve Lunde Chairman, Fall S-Fest [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32333	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel Massacre

AF tied in with a discussion on the TCA list. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [toytrains] Lionel Massacre So when does A.C. Gilbert rise from the dead and take over Lionel Trains? **************************************************************** American Flyer would be an interesting property to pry away from Lionel. Perhaps MTH will take it as a settlement for the $40 million... Two rail track, real puffing smoke, and DCS! Only American Flyer has it! Brady **************************************************************** My response on the TCA list, as I started this, as the O people were talking about Lionel from an O point and I mention that AC would rise from the dead above. More from me below. ************************************************************* Sadly, MTH would be the loser, if they took the AF division from Lionel, as most of the AF stock that Shoppes buy from Lionel doesn't move and then they have to close it out with pricing to get rid of dead inventory. Then the dealer may get some of the money back they tied up in inventory dollars. Sadly, Lionel doesn't do a good effort at all marketing its AF line too, so that is not the fault of the dealers. Maybe MTH would do a better marketing job of AF, as AF is a great size overall, not too big like O and not too small like HO, people like me don't have much space in a townhome for a good size layout, as housing pricing is getting out of hand. I have enough room for a decent 12 x 8 AF layout, as I can get more into that layout than a O gauge layout. I got some bargains this way, especially at Choo Choo Barn last December in Lancaster, as they don't really discount trains. But I understand that O is still the dominant gauge in the market place. An S fan, Mike Marmer Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32334	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: trainMinder

http://www.trainminder.com/trainMinder.cfm?cfid=14990&cftoken=8078627 A new inventory system coming soon. And I see on the TCA list that MTH is getting into HO, which makes sense, businesswise. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32335	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: trainMinder

http://www.trainminder.com/trainMinder.cfm?cfid=14990&cftoken=8078627 A new inventory system coming soon. And I see on the TCA list that MTH is getting into HO, which makes sense, businesswise. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32336	From: roy inman	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] Lionel Massacre

According to an MR article of about five years ago, HO has 80% of the market, S, and N about 2-3%. I forget the share for O gauge. I heard from a usually reliable source today that Lionel laid off 20% of its Chesterfield work force. And further heard that L's gross was off considerable, as was MTH's. Figures mentioned, and I hesitate to even mention, but who pays attention to facts in an email, but: Lionel, d on 9/20/04 7:56 PM, mlmarmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > But I understand that O is still the dominant gauge in the market place.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32337	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: Test

Don't worry folks, I am just testing a new mail program.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32338	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/20/2004
Subject: thoughts

well here goes..say somone does buy af trains or gets it from lionel,or whatever,,i see the main problem with s scale is its shiz mentality on just about every issue correct scale modles..track guage..how many rails....ac/ dc dc scale dcc equipage..the list goes on..i like s a lot but its darn hard to find any balence between all the diffrent kinds along with the collector values of original Af trains...the industry needs to put the prodouction of collector stuff away and decide to support the scale the way HO has its market and put out things to the same standards as everything else and then and only then will s scale come into its self for real its time to quit re-constructing equipment to Toys standards and let those exxelent things be the collectors items from the past that they are. what better statment to the scale than if the original prodoucer decided to give us a wide variety of things in a scale quality line of trains and equipment and hobby shops would be able to stock! things..instead of having to investagate and choose from dozenz of sometimes non compatable options with anyone else. my 2 cents chandos

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32339	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: 360 Shell?

Would anyone happen to have an A.F. 360 Santa Fe diesel shell they would sell? Would prefer having the silver painted version and that is what my 364 is. I do not mind repainting if the shell is not broken. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32340	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: NASG Heavy Weights

Hi Folks The NASG Heavy Weight Passenger cars are selling great. The Pullman Green car are sold out. The Tuscan and the Canadian Nations are getting very low, Don't wait to long if you want the. The two tone gray are selling but not as quick as the others. Click here for order blank http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32341	From: luchocastrope	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: Huge American Flyer Set for sail

7 engines, 40 cars, more than 15 stations, a lot of accesories and supplies , more than 140 feet of rail, bridges . it's almost 500 pieces!! interested send email (luchocastrope@...) to see priced list or pictures.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32342	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/21/2004
Subject: Idaho Train Show

Fresh from our appearance at the National Train Show in Seattle, the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying our famous "Lookout Junction" at the 3rd Annual "Idaho Rails Train Show" in Weiser, Idaho on Saturday, October 2. Show hours will be 10 a.m. - 6 p.m. Weiser is located on U.S. 95, about 22 miles north of Exit 3 on I-84, just west of the Idaho/Oregon border on the Snake River. The show will be held at the Vendome Events Center in downtown Weiser, one block from the historic old train depot. Admission is free! Lookout Junction is new and improved, with the roundhouse/turntable unit fully integrated into BOTH track loops on the lower level of the layout. You're invited to come on over and run some trains with us. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32343	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Essex CT. Railroad

Last week we escaped to New England, and while we were there we saw the Steam Railroad at Essex Ct. They were closed that day, but I did snap some pictures. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup11 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Re: www.trainminder.com-Steven S.

Thought I would pass this along to the S list in case there is any interest in this inventory system and survey, as I have nothing to do with the owner. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven J. Serenska" <NumberOneFan@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: [toytrains] Re: www.trainminder.com-Steven S. > << Glad to see the initiative to do so, and even within the confines of my small collection and operating facilities, I believe this would be beneficial. >> > > < Good luck, waiting for opening day, > > > Erney A., Bruce V.: > > Thanks a million for your comments and to everyone else who has written > me words of encouragement offline. > > About 75 people have taken the time to fill out the trainMinder survey > and the results are quite informative. Because I'm a weenie-and-a-half, > I will release a compilation of the results directly to the survey > respondents when the count hits 100. I will publish the results to the > general population a short time thereafter. > > If you haven't already done so, please take the time to fill out the > trainMinder survey at: > > http://www.trainminder.com/html/survey_page.cfm > > Thanks again. > > Steven "excited about this project, can you tell?" Serenska > TCA : 78-13181 > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32345	From: beebear	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Trains In Danbury, CT

Hello all While up in Danbury,CT on training last month I got a chance to stop in and see the train depot. They had a Lionel, HO and an American Flyer layouts there. Also on display was a HO scale replica of the Danbury depot. They have a working diesel, passenger car and caboose which was a thrill to ride in the cab of the diesel while moving around in the yard. Inside the depot is a small store with lots of real and model train books. They also have a working turntable and a lot of other rolling stock in the yard that I didn't get a chance to see. I can upload some pictures if someone lets me know where to send them. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32346	From: jay stevens	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: Essex Steam Train

If you are in the area, it is a nice little train ride. It goes up the Ct. River and connects with an old boat. The ride continues up to Goodspeed Opera House; then back by boat to the train and back to Essex. Did it a few times with the kids. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32347	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: Trains In Danbury, CT

Danbury, CT has a couple of nice train Shoppe's that will have used AF. Manchester, CT, a few miles above Danbury has or had a neat HUGE train Shoppe in an old 1880's type of plant for Bon Ami, but no AF. Manchester, might be above Hartford, however. Rockville, CT above Hartford, had or has a train Shoppe that did have some S helper when we visited it years ago. I have to say "Has or Had" because you know how this business can change at anytime for a train Shoppe. And of course, they may get a visit from Martha Stewart, as she may be going herself to Danbury, CT for the next 6 months for some R&R. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT > Hello all > > While up in Danbury,CT on training last month I got a chance to stop in and > see the train depot. > They had a Lionel, HO and an American Flyer layouts there. Also on display > was a HO scale > replica of the Danbury depot. They have a working diesel, passenger car and > caboose which was a > thrill to ride in the cab of the diesel while moving around in the yard. > Inside the depot is a small > store with lots of real and model train books. They also have a working > turntable and a lot of other > rolling stock in the yard that I didn't get a chance to see. I can upload > some pictures if someone > lets me know where to send them. > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32348	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT

Someone named Jay sent me a response about my writing of train Shoppe's in Danbury, CT., as the from person was a John Crotty. I tried to reply to Jay, below, but his email address is not going through, as it is different from John Crotty, as you can see below. So, I don't know if Jay and John are the same person, as this seems a bit weird, via the computer, but here is my response to his private email he sent me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: JAY@... Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT Jay, The reason why I said "Has or had" a train Shoppe at those locations is because businesses go out of business very fast in the train business, as I have been to all of those places at one time. The Shoppe in Rockville, CT used to advertise in one of the train magazine and now they don't, so that to me, isn't good news. I wouldn't expect anyone to go to a place, just on anyone's word, as I didn't even give an address, as they can be checked out on the internet very quickly, if one was really interested in visiting these Shoppe's in one's travels. I was just letting all know that their might be a Shoppe and they probably are still there. Didn't mean to cause any problems to anyone. best, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: john crotty To: mlmarmer Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT +please be accurate & specific are you saying those places do or dont and when are u speaking of, please be sure what you advise us of . best wishes Jay mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Danbury, CT has a couple of nice train Shoppe's that will have used AF. Manchester, CT, a few miles above Danbury has or had a neat HUGE train Shoppe in an old 1880's type of plant for Bon Ami, but no AF. Manchester, might be above Hartford, however. Rockville, CT above Hartford, had or has a train Shoppe that did have some S helper when we visited it years ago. I have to say "Has or Had" because you know how this business can change at anytime for a train Shoppe. And of course, they may get a visit from Martha Stewart, as she may be going herself to Danbury, CT for the next 6 months for some R&R. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" To: "S-group" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trains In Danbury, CT > Hello all > > While up in Danbury,CT on training last month I got a chance to stop in and > see the train depot. > They had a Lionel, HO and an American Flyer layouts there. Also on display > was a HO scale > replica of the Danbury depot. They have a working diesel, passenger car and > caboose which was a > thrill to ride in the cab of the diesel while moving around in the yard. > Inside the depot is a small > store with lots of real and model train books. They also have a working > turntable and a lot of other > rolling stock in the yard that I didn't get a chance to see. I can upload > some pictures if someone > lets me know where to send them. > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32349	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /CarOrderForm.pdf Uploaded by : waldootten <waldootten@...> Description : 2004 NASG Car Order Form You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/CarOrderForm.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, waldootten <waldootten@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32350	From: waldootten	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: 2004 NASG Convention car

Hello, all -- Apparently the photo album on this site is down or full or both. The DesPlaines Valley S-Scalers, and Sam McCoy, hosts of the recent NASG National Convention in Chicago, have a few of the convention cars left and are offering them to members of this list. However, in lieu of a photo right away, I have added the Car Order form in the "files" section. Unfortunately, when the form was assembled months before the convention, no photo of the finished car was available. I have taken a photo of the car and I will try to get it posted somewhere with Paul's help so you can see this beauty. Cost is $45 per car plus $6 shipping. The cars were made up by DesPlaines Hobbies. Come with ready-to-run AF couplers and wheelsets, scale wheelsets included. If you gotta see it right away, email me and I'll send you the JPEG of this finished car. It is a 53-foot Evans Double Plug-Door Box car created from a CNW prototype. Phil K N A S G * C A S G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32351	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/22/2004
Subject: Re: 2004 NASG Convention car

on 9/22/04 9:55 PM, waldootten at waldootten@... wrote: > The > DesPlaines Valley S-Scalers, and Sam McCoy, hosts of the recent NASG > National Convention in Chicago, have a few of the convention cars > left and are offering them to members of this list. > If you gotta see it right away, .... You can see a photo of the NASG Annual Convention car and a link to the order form at the following: http://www.2004nasgconvention.com/html/convention_car.shtml Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32352	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: S Scale Roller Test Track

HI All, Here is a quick shot of my running EM-1 on the Roller Track on DCC. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/EM1_Roller_Track.jpg I have also had my River Raisin PRR J1 on it at full throttle. The J1 rolled on it as if it was on a regular layout with perfect trackwork. I would definitely trust the roller track to run any of my locomotives when I am not there watching, like to break it in. It is just that steady! The quality and craftsmanship is not as evident in the photos. But when you receive your unit, you will see how well made it is. It weighs over 15 pounds! It you purchase 2 extra rollers you can easily accommodate any 2 diesels at the same time. I have a made flyer for it here. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/rollertrack.doc Please email me directly if you cannot access the flyer from the link. You MUST mention my name to get the special pricing on the flyer. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32353	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: Re: Essex Steam Train

Just in case anyone is interested, the "Valley Railroad Company" of Essex, CT has a program where you can learn to drive Steam Engine 40. It included an hour of classroom instruction and an 8 mile roundtrip with you at the throttle. It was a great day and a most interesting experience. Two buddies and I spent two days in the area including a visit to a nearby trolly museum and the Submarine museum in New London. We did this three years ago so you would have to check that the program is still going. Their phone number was 860-767-0103 and the name of the program was "Your Hand On The Throttle" --- jay stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: > > If you are in the area, it is a nice little train > ride. It goes up the Ct. River and connects with an > old boat. The ride continues up to Goodspeed Opera > House; then back by boat to the train and back to > Essex. Did it a few times with the kids. > Jay > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32354	From: firex43	Date: 9/23/2004
Subject: Shops in Connecticut, R.R. Museums

Fortunately, the shop in Manchester, CT, is still open and going strong under new owners; only 1 or 2 pieces of AF but a great large HO layout that is open on Sundays (check with store for which Sunday (s) per month. Manchester is east of Hartford. The Danbury area has a train shop that does have some old and Flyonel AF. Please don't forget Amato's aka Hobby Surplus Sales with one store in New Britain and another in Middletown. The shop in Vernon/Rockville has been closed for a year or more. The Essex R.R. still has their engineer for a day program and they are still operating but minus their Chinese 2-8-2 which they sold to the Susquehanna R.R. several years ago. The state has 2 trolley museums with diverse collections of equipment; one in Warehouse Point east of Hartford and another museum in East Haven. We may not be the biggest vacation/sightseeing destination but we have quite a selection to choose from. John in CT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32355	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 26, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32356	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

HOW ABOUT A SPECIAL CHAT TONIGHT AT 10:00???? BOB.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2004 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32357	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/24/2004
Subject: Re: Shops in Connecticut, R.R. Museums

John in CT: Thanks for the update on those the Shoppe's as I had a feeling that the Rockville Shoppe was out of business due to the fact that many established Shoppe's were around and they stop advertising in the back of either S Gaugian or CTT. Nice little shop, as they had lots of S Helper. But we drive up I-84 to Maine twice a year and it is a nice part of the ride. If we had more time, I would stop in New Britain to see Hobby Surplus, but we have a 10 to 12 hour drive to Portsmouth, NH for the night. Oh, and Rockville, CT, is like seeing home in MD, as MD has a huge city named Rockville, second or third largest city. And Harpers Ferry, CT is like Harpers Ferry, WVA! And of course, we enjoy seeing the CT HUSKIES signs on the interstate for the basketball NCAA's! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <john_keating@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Shops in Connecticut, R.R. Museums > Fortunately, the shop in Manchester, CT, is still open and going > strong under new owners; only 1 or 2 pieces of AF but a great large > HO layout that is open on Sundays (check with store for which Sunday > (s) per month. Manchester is east of Hartford. The Danbury area has a > train shop that does have some old and Flyonel AF. Please don't > forget Amato's aka Hobby Surplus Sales with one store in New Britain > and another in Middletown. The shop in Vernon/Rockville has been > closed for a year or more. The Essex R.R. still has their engineer > for a day program and they are still operating but minus their > Chinese 2-8-2 which they sold to the Susquehanna R.R. several years > ago. The state has 2 trolley museums with diverse collections of > equipment; one in Warehouse Point east of Hartford and another museum > in East Haven. > We may not be the biggest vacation/sightseeing destination but we > have quite a selection to choose from. > John in CT > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32358	From: beechcricker	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory

My wife and I have a trip to Connecticut planned for next month. While there I'd like to see the former A. C. Gilbert factory (Erector Square?) in New Haven, assuming there is something to see. What exactly is there now? And can someone provide directions on how to get there? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32359	From: trainman634	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Small space trackplan

Does anyone have a trackplan for a 2' by 4' shelf? I would be using American Models track and switches.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32360	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Train Auction

The Train Gallery Auctions is having a sale Friday 10/8 at 7 PM at the Clarion Hotel in Phillipsburg, NJ. 240+ lots of mostly modern, mostly mint MTH, Lionel etc. Although there is not a lot of interest to this group there are two very nice GILBERT HO boxed sets, Plasticville and books. Absentee bids are accepted. Catalogs have been mailed and emailed. Since our last mailing a number of folks have evidently changed their email address and catalogs could not be delivered. If you would like a catalog emailed please let me know. Pictures of the trains can be seen at www.traingon.com/Traingallery. Absentee bids should be emailed as shown on the site. We do not auction directly from the site. There is still some space left in the auction and attendees are invited to bring in CLEAN trains to be sold the day of the auction. You may also deliver them to us in advance. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32361	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory

Jeff, Do you have the address for the plant? If you do, just go to Mapquest and key in the address as the destination point from the point you are coming from and that should do the trick for you. I have the address in one of the AF books, I have, like many of us, I am sure. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory > My wife and I have a trip to Connecticut planned for next month. > While there I'd like to see the former A. C. Gilbert factory (Erector > Square?) in New Haven, assuming there is something to see. What > exactly is there now? And can someone provide directions on how to > get there? > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32362	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: University of New Haven

http://www.newhaven.edu/easweb/history.html While searching for the AC Gilbert plant address, that I know somebody will sent to the S list, I came about this link to the U of NH, and when you go down to the issue of October 1996, there are allot of AC Gilbert articles that were written for the U. Would be interesting to access these articles. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: University of New Haven

http://www.newhaven.edu/easweb/history.html I just saw that back issues can be ordered for $20. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32364	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert's New Haven, CT Factory

Hi The address for the Gilbert Plant is 315 Peck St. New Haven. I stopped by there about 2 years ago. Most if not all of the buidings are still there. I'll post some photos that I took at the time. Map Quest will take you right to their doorstep...As I remember it's not far from their expressway and located in a mostly residential area...probably why the buildings are a bit of a white elephant. Some buildings had tenants, but most seemed vacant. Hope that helps. Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32365	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Erector Square

I found the address, in a real estate website, as the property is going for 2.4 million. Erector Square 315 Peck Street New Haven, CT. They did not list a zip code. Maybe Doug Peck should buy it, since it is Peck Street! O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32366	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: Erector Square

Sounds like they are trying to get 150 tenants for a "shopping Mall" but I believe that has been going on for some time. I see that happening when we in Washington, DC finally land another baseball team, which looks pretty good, so who knows. Maybe someday, there will be Erector Square Mall in New Haven, CT to visit, as they have some things in it about AC and AF. There is a Mall in Waterbury, CT, on I-84 that is doing quite well, that was an Mill at one time, so it can happen. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Erector Square > I found the address, in a real estate website, as the property is going for 2.4 million. > > Erector Square > 315 Peck Street > New Haven, CT. > > They did not list a zip code. > > Maybe Doug Peck should buy it, since it is Peck Street! O:)! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32367	From: jt12313	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Looking for another baldwin shell + new Baldwin parts swaping

Hello all, Since I am almost done with my Flyer-Flyonel hybrid Baldwin switcher I thought I would ask if anyone has a spare Baldwin shell in their parts bin so I may do a B-unit. For what it's worth, the side frame units from a new Baldwin will work on the old baldwins and they are all metal and only around $12.00 if you can get them from Lionel or a Lionel dealer. Since they have now made The power and dummy trucks two different units but the castings still have the same internal machining, I am going to see if I can cross parts from a new power truck (wont work as rear truck) with a new dummy truck (will work as rear truck) and see if it will work on an old Baldwin. Back to my original request... A Baldwin shell crying out for a repaint, yearning to run around a track pulling a string of Rock Island boxcars... :) Let me know what you have in the old parts bin Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32368	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2004
Subject: Re: A.C.Gilbert Factory

Hi Group I set up a folder in the Files section of the S-Trains group titled A.C.Gilbert Factory... It has 5 photos of the outside of the Factory taken in Oct 2002 (imprinted date on photos is not correct) It will give you an idea of how the property looks. It is a very large complex, and the photos only show a small portion of the property. Hope you find these of interest... Karl frilen2 frilen@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32369	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Small space track plans

Hi trainman634 You might want to take a look at the file folder that I setup at: Files > TimeSaver Module Track plan There are two photos in that file of a track plan that I was working out using American Models track and switches on a 2'by 8' module based upon John Allen's Timesaver switching track plan with two mainlines running thru. It may be possible to shorten it down to your 2'by 4'shelf. Hope that helps... Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32370	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?

Howdy Brethren and Sistren, The latest hurricane to blow through here (West Palm Beach area) has gone through. We had minor damage and the power is back. I look at the aerial shots on TV and it suggests some modeling ideas. Some mobile home parks have homes that were untouched next to neighbors that were 're-kitted'. It might look interesting on a layout based in a southern, coastal area. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32371	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: ACG Factory

Hmm, hey guys (that includes gals, it's the Magnum PI greeting) Lookit here, the whole plant is up for 2.4 Mill, been a long time, might go for 1.8? If we all pool our $$ we could buy the plant, move in SHS AM and some other folks and have all the S manufacturers at one site. Then if we could get the Erector set folks online. . . . Doesn't seem like much money for what's there, at least by CA standards. Too bad the tower fell down some years back. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32372	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?

Bill....... Glad you are OK now..... The rest of you gal ( BARB ) and guys check in as soon as you can..... So far I am OK in Jacksonville..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> To: <S-TRAINS@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas? > Howdy Brethren and Sistren, > > The latest hurricane to blow through here (West Palm Beach area) has > gone through. We had minor damage and the power is back. > > I look at the aerial shots on TV and it suggests some modeling ideas. > Some mobile home parks have homes that were untouched next to neighbors > that were 're-kitted'. It might look interesting on a layout based in a > southern, coastal area. > > Later, > Bill > > Bill Porter > 15212 79th Court N > Loxahatchee, FL > 33470 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32373	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Hurricane Jeanne

Ok in St. Petersburg, but still raining sideways and very windy. Never lost power. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32374	From: beechcricker	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: A. C. Gilbert New Haven, CT Factory

Many thanks to all of you that responded to my inquiry about the former ACG facilities in New Haven. We must check them out while we're in the area next month. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32375	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Hurricane Jeanne

Hi All, Whew!!! I feel so lucky. Again we here have missed a direct hit. After a power outage, we are back online. Lots of wind and rain had me sleeping the the walk-in closet but I am well and my trains are unharmed. See you on the chat tonight... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32376	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Hurricane Jeanne

Really hard rain..... windy..... Power just came back on, been off most of the day.... hope it stays on.... C U all maybe tonite...... All trains OK..... Looks like I dodged another..... Glad Barb's OK..... If you sleep in a closet be sure to keep a saw and hammer in there!!!! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32377	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 26, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32378	From: dphobbies@earthlink.net	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Very, Very Blatant Commercial

If commercials offend anyone, please delete. We are happy to announce that we have received the second batch of S Scale USRA gondolas this past week. The new road names are Boston and Maine, Chesapeake and Ohio, and Pennsylvania. That brings to six the number of road names released on this car. The road names released a couple months ago were Chicago and North Western, New York Central, and Chicago, Burlington and Quincy. Each road name is available in four (4) road numbers. Each car is $44.98 each and comes assembled with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers installed. Code 110 wheels are included for scale users. Also received in the past 30 days are the long awaited/delayed Johnstown America Bethgon Coal Porters. These are done in the latest BNSF livery of oxide red/aluminum with green BNSF herald. Twelve (12) (yes Mildred, twelve) road numbers are in stock for unit train operators and purchasers. Each car is $44.98 each and come equipped with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers installed. Oh yeah, code 110 wheels are included too. My mentors say I am goofy for releasing 12 numbers at once as even HO guys have to get a couple runs to get that many. I don't care. If sales are poor and there never is another run, at least I got my 12 numbers. My heirs can have the rest. Next, on the distant (well maybe not so distant) is another paint scheme on the Evans 53' double plug door. Whoa you say "Where is the first on". It was the C&NW car done for the 2004 NASG convention held in Arlington Heights, IL last month. Sooooo the next paint scheme on the Evans car will be a Union Pacific yellow/silver car with a very attractive red/white/blue shield on the right side. Cost, numbers blah, blah, blah will be the same as the gondolas. I guess we have finally adopted the S gold standard of including code 110 wheels with all of our new cars. Thanks Donald. Now, if only someone would take some pictures and update my web page. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976 www.desplaineshobbies.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32379	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: York

Hi All, Well, we are closing in on York week. Only 16 days till York Tuesday. That means it is time for me to collect the list of names of S-Listers attending and set up a few meeting places for lunch and dinner. So let me know if you will be attending and the days you will be there. Also don't forget to print out our S-Trains badge and put your S-Trains ID on it in big letters. Then wear it at York. If you are a dealer and have tables in one of the halls, let me know that too. I'll put a list together of attendees and dealer table locations and publish it before York. See you all soon... Barb The badge is on the web at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32380	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: York

I am coming..... Motel 6 about 2:00 tuesday...... last night to get messages..... thur 7th.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi All, > > Well, we are closing in on York week. Only 16 days till York > Tuesday. That means it is time for me to collect the list of > names of S-Listers attending and set up a few meeting places for > lunch and dinner. > > So let me know if you will be attending and the days you will be > there. Also don't forget to print out our S-Trains badge and put > your S-Trains ID on it in big letters. Then wear it at York. > > If you are a dealer and have tables in one of the halls, let me > know that too. I'll put a list together of attendees and dealer > table locations and publish it before York. > > See you all soon... Barb > > > The badge is on the web at > > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32381	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/26/2004
Subject: Re: Very, Very Blatant Commercial

Ron Sebastian wrote: >Now, if only someone would take some pictures and update my web >page. Ron, I'll be glad to take some digipix of your new equipment. Just send me one of each of the cars, I'll shoot the pix and em the files to you, no charge. You won't even need to pay to return the cars to Illinois. I'll keep them! :^D Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32382	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Kaslo Shops S Scale N5c

Hi All, Here are a few photos of the Kaslo Shops PRR N5c Cabin Car kit that is about to be shipped in about the next 2 months. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Kaslo_N5c.jpg For those who like urethane kits, and even those who don't, you are not going to find a better kit then those produced by Kaslo. This car is better in some ways then the brass cars released by Overland in the late 1980s. 2 of the most obvious improvements are the full interior and corrected roof end profile. Many detail pieces are etched phosphor bronze. I am still trying to get the correct trucks made in brass for this kit, but the interest level has been VERY underwhelming at this point. Here is the correct truck. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/N5c_truck.jpg It is not your standard Bettendorf by a country mile. It would be a crime to put the wrong trucks on such a great kit. This is the second release in S Scale. The first was an excellent PS1 boxcar last year. The assembly on the PS1 was not significantly more difficult then a good injection molded plastic kit. I believe that there are both PS1 and N5c still available. Please contact Kaslo Shops if you are interested in getting one of their kits. John Whitmore Kaslo Shops Distributing www.kasloshops.com Fax: 413-383-6720 Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32383	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Large Narrow Gauge Power in Sn42 - bashed SD7

Inspired by Jeff Smith's Sn3 SD35e on the Slim Gauge Guild website. I decide to try a narrow gauge road deisel for my self - an AF GP7 shell with various details on top of an Athearn HO SD40 chassis and sideframes. Lot's more work to do yet! A quick snapshot is on Paul's website. URL is: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/sn42_sd7_2_crppd_sml Comments please! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32384	From: race944t	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: York

I'll be there with table of Gilbert Flyer. I'm in a motorhome. Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32385	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Paul Yorke predicament

Received a message from Paul today. He has no power or phone but all is OK. David Dewey, check pending messages..... Regards to all. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32386	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: Jeanne is gone - are there any modeling ideas?

Hi Ya'll, All's well here in Tampa. Power off for 32 hours but no damage to my abode or the trains!!!! Dodged a bullet again. Hope ya'll are ok. Dane C. LaBarr Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32387	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance

I came thru Jeanne quite well thankyou, but still have no power. We have decided that York is a go providing two conditions are met... #1 That we have power back by the time we leave. #2 That no other storms are headed our way. We very badly need this vacation after going thru 3 hurricanes and really hope that we do not need to cancel! Chuck http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32388	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: FOR SALE

hi,selling off some stuff,giving group first shot,i have more to come 919 = $75 would be excellent but has to burn marks inside the bed 771 = $35 no roof 586 = $50 paint on base,roof has bends 474/475 = $125 poor condition [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32389	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: York

Hi Barb - Glad to hear you had no substantial damage from the latest hurricane! I will be arriving on Thursday, 10/13, and leaving on Saturday. Joe Haenn and I have dinner plans for Thursday night at a family restaurant near the fairgrounds - I forget the name but will get it and post it. All are welcome. We are meeting at 6 pm. Please let me know if there are other plans. See you then. Have a safe trip. Dick At 10:34 PM 9/26/2004, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >Well, we are closing in on York week. Only 16 days till York >Tuesday. That means it is time for me to collect the list of >names of S-Listers attending and set up a few meeting places for >lunch and dinner. > >So let me know if you will be attending and the days you will be >there. Also don't forget to print out our S-Trains badge and put >your S-Trains ID on it in big letters. Then wear it at York. > >If you are a dealer and have tables in one of the halls, let me >know that too. I'll put a list together of attendees and dealer >table locations and publish it before York. > >See you all soon... Barb > > >The badge is on the web at > >http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32390	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance - myflyertrains guide to Yor

Alright! We got power back about an hour ago. I am thinking York now! We will be checking into our York motel on Sunday, at Carlisle (a ways, but Motel 6 at $33 a night!), and will be in and out of York as well as other PA dutch locations, ie Strasbourg, Hershey, Bird in Hand, Intercourse, etc... Note: Keep your wife out of Intercourse unless you want to risk her paying the price of a excellent 336 or more on a hand made Omish quilt! There is a place near Strasburg called the Hershey Farm (no, not at Hershey PA) that has wonderful buffets. We really like the breakfast one, and find that after eating breakfast there, you are pretty well taken care of for the whole rest of the day! The buffet there is really cheap for what you get, something like $7.95, and they also have lunch and dinner buffets, though we prefer breakfast. I don't usually even eat breakfast, but this is really something. From York, take Hwy 30 east to Lancaster, and turn south at the road at the east side of the Factory Outlet mall. The Hershey Farm is a couple miles down on the right, before you get to the main drag that goes into Strasburg. Outstanding, and one of the things we always try to catch during our York Visit. Of course we also catch the TCA museum, the Choo Choo Barn (Flyer Upstairs), the Antique Outlet mall, and on occasion the PA railroad museum, and the Strasburg Railroad, all in Strasburg. It doesn't get any better than this! We often go over to Hershey PA and visit Hershey's Chocolate World as well. There are also countless antique shops in PA dutch country, and sometimes they do have Flyer. I have purchased Flyer at both the Antique mall at Strasburg, and the Choo Choo Barn. And of course at York, the buffet at the Holiday Inn Holidome at lunch is decent! You could just about eat your way across the York train show and forget to buy trains if you were not careful. :) Can I say it any other way? York York York! And how about those funnel cakes? In Carlisle there is a hobby shop that carries Flyer, Wagner and Sons I think, as they also have a web site that sells Erector Set Parts... See you there... Chuck PS: Anyone else have any suggestions on great places to eat while visiting York??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32391	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help?

Hi everyone, I had a question about the 583 one-button electromagnetic crane. My uncle has one he would like to fix up, but it has some motor problems. He said that the armature plates had come off of the armature, and one of them is missing. My uncle is quite experienced with winding fields and armatures and could walk me through the process, so I think I would only need that one metal part, but replacing the complete armature would certainly be easier. Anyway, what would we need to fix this? Does someone make these parts? I cannot find the part number in the big black K-Line book, and I don't think I saw anything that would work at Portlines (though I could have easilly missed something). Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32392	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?

I have (yet) another question, this time about milk cars. I purchased one a few weeks back, and while I can get the door to open, I cannot get enough power to have the guy push the cans all the way out (he wont leave his inside spot. I also noticed that I need an engine on the track for the car to work at all (strange). I am pretty sure I have the wheels on the base track and all that, since the car does open the door and light up. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong, and how I can get that guy to push? thanks again Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32393	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance - myflyertrains guide to Yor

WE ARE STILL WORKING ON A PLACE.... BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32394	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance

Chuck, Glad you will be able to make it. Hershey Farm Restaurant is on Rt 896. Go on to the actual square in Strasburg, some of the best Ice Cream made anywhere at the CREAMERY on the right. Supposedly so rich they can't sell it outside their doors. Pricey, but well worth it. I have no interest in the Creamery, other than I used to do some of the bldg maint ( and I enjoy their Ice Cream). Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32395	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help?

Partially answering my own question: looks like Tripple S supplies has crane armatures (XA9337). Is this the right armature for the one button cranes? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I had a question about the 583 one-button electromagnetic crane. My > uncle has one he would like to fix up, but it has some motor > problems. He said that the armature plates had come off of the > armature, and one of them is missing. My uncle is quite experienced > with winding fields and armatures and could walk me through the > process, so I think I would only need that one metal part, but > replacing the complete armature would certainly be easier. Anyway, > what would we need to fix this? Does someone make these parts? > > I cannot find the part number in the big black K-Line book, and I > don't think I saw anything that would work at Portlines (though I > could have easilly missed something). Any info would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32396	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Re: hurricane Jeanne - York attendance

JIM...... Any ideas for our Friday night meeting.... Dinner and Drinks..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <myflyertrains@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] hurricane Jeanne - York attendance > Chuck, > Glad you will be able to make it. Hershey Farm Restaurant is on Rt 896. > Go on to the actual square in Strasburg, some of the best Ice Cream made > anywhere at the CREAMERY on the right. Supposedly so rich they can't sell it > outside their doors. Pricey, but well worth it. I have no interest in the > Creamery, other than I used to do some of the bldg maint ( and I enjoy their Ice > Cream). > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32397	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Remember ....?

okey you old fokes.......this is for you all......... enjoy SMILE Fond Memories Sit back, relax, listen, read, & smile. Kind of of reminds you to stop & smell the roses of life, and to give thanks to God for life and memories. Do You Remember? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN...? All the girls had ugly gym uniforms? It took five minutes for the TV warm up? Nearly everyone's Mom was at home when the kids got home from school? Nobody owned a purebred dog? When a quarter was a decent allowance? You'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny? Your Mom wore nylons that came in two pieces? All your male teachers wore neckties and female teachers had their hair done every day and wore high heels? You got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped, without asking, all for free, every time? And you didn't pay for air? And, you got trading stamps to boot? Laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels hidden inside the box? It was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a real restaurant with your parents? They threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. . .and they did? When a 57 Chevy was everyone's dream car...to cruise, peel out, lay rubber or watch submarine races, and people went steady? No one ever asked where the car keys were because they were always in the car, in the ignition, and the doors were never locked? Lying on your back in the grass with your friends and saying things like, "That cloud looks like a ." and playing baseball with no adults to help kids with the rules of the game? Stuff from the store came without safety caps and hermetic seals because no one had yet tried to poison a perfect stranger? And with all our progress, don't you just wish, just once, you could slip back in time and savor the slower pace, and share it with the children of today? When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the fate that awaited the student at home? Basically we were in fear for our lives, but it wasn't because of drive-by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat! But we survived because their love was greater than the threat. Send this on to someone who can still remember Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, Laurel and Hardy, Howdy Dowdy and the Peanut Gallery, the Lone Ranger, The Shadow Knows, Nellie Bell, Roy and Dale, Trigger and Buttermilk. As well as summers filled with bike rides, baseball games, Hula Hoops, bowling and visits to the pool, and eating Kool-Aid powder with sugar. Didn't that feel good, just to go back and say, "Yeah, I remember that"? I am sharing this with you today because it ends with a double dog dare to pass it on. To remember what a double dog dare is, read on. And remember that the perfect age is somewhere between old enough to know better and too young to care. How many of these do you remember? Candy cigarettes Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside Soda pop machines that dispensed glass bottles Coffee shops with tableside jukeboxes Blackjack, Clove and Teaberry chewing gum Home milk delivery in glass bottles with cardboard stoppers Newsreels before the movie P.F. Fliers Telephone numbers with a word prefix...(Raymond 4-601). Party lines Peashooters Howdy Dowdy 45 RPM records Green Stamps Hi-Fi's Metal ice cubes trays with levers Mimeograph paper Beanie and Cecil Roller-skate keys Cork pop guns Drive ins Studebakers Washtub wringers The Fuller Brush Man Reel-To-Reel tape recorders Tinkertoys Erector Sets The Fort Apache Play Set Lincoln Logs 15 cent McDonald hamburgers 5 cent packs of baseball cards - with that awful pink slab of bubble gum Penny candy 35 cent a gallon gasoline Jiffy Pop popcorn Do you remember a time when... Decisions were made by going "eeny-meeny-miney-moe"? Mistakes were corrected by simply exclaiming, "Do Over!"? "Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the fastest? Catching the fireflies could happily occupy an entire evening? It wasn't odd to have two or three "Best Friends"? The worst thing you could catch from the opposite sex was "cooties"? Having a weapon in school meant being caught with a slingshot? A foot of snow was a dream come true? Saturday morning cartoons weren't 30-minute commercials for action figures? "Oly-oly-oxen-free" made perfect sense? Spinning around, getting dizzy, and falling down was cause for giggles? The worst embarrassment was being picked last for a team? War was a card game? Baseball cards in the spokes transformed any bike into a motorcycle? Taking drugs meant orange-flavored chewable aspirin? Water balloons were the ultimate weapon? If you can remember most or all of these, then you have lived!!!!!!! Pass this on to anyone who may need a break from their "grown-up" life . . .I double-dog-dare-ya!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32398	From: dvprc	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: train chat

Where can I get parts for the old Rex engines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32399	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2004
Subject: Hope all is well out there, I've lost email service!

Hope you're all doing OK, even though we are not having any weather problems here (although a few volcanos are rumbling!! Hmmm)my ISP has lost email service, so if anyone is sending me messages, they don't know when I can retrieve them!! I am hoping that by going into the yahoo groups via the net, that this will get through. BTW, for Barb, Gas line is into the stove area, have to measure the furnace to figure out where to put that connection, and then we test! Might actually have a complete kitchen before the week is out! S' David D. Prototype info: Word is the McCloud Railway, out here in N. Calif. is up for sale, and their steam engine #18 is up for seperate sale with eastern railroads interested. Will be a ciminal act, as she has been in Siskiyou county all her life, starting at the Mc Cloud, sold to the Yreka Western (about 50 miles away) back in the late 50s, sat around up there for decades as a depot queen, then bought back by the McCloud a few years ago. Reason for sale, the owner has a divorce, wants to pay off the wife, and then go play, no more work!-- at least that's what my "spy" told me. Two steam excursion planned still, Oct 10 and 17, I'm gonna try to get tickets for the 10th, probably miss chat that night! Stay safe all! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32400	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: train chat

Try Putt Trains as they purchased the tooling. Best regards, Don dvprc wrote: > Where can I get parts for the old Rex engines > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32401	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Remember ....?

And when you were sent to the Coach...... Or Dean of boys..... THAT PADDLE !!! I had a friend of mine tell me, You know how a dog scoots around on its but when it can't go???? After one whack..... he scooted around the floor......... And playing under the street lights till late at night....... Walking to school thru the Train Yards, B & O, NYC, and the roughest part of the Black section of town, even late at night.... No one would bother you....... Skinny Dipping in the river with friends...... with ice still in the water.... Carrying your BB gun on your bike...... Carrying a shotgun to school so you could go to a friends house for the weekend and go hunting..... And walking the streets 2 weeks before Christmas when all the stores set up thier displays.... Standing in the snow, at night and pushing a button on the store window to see the trains run... and all the other great toys....... Santa too Boy scouts or in my case Civil Air patrol Cadet........ Model airplanes that blew up when the firecracker went off......... Camping out at night..... You joked about some kid who drank a can of beer in some other school... In W. Va. HEMP grew wild..... no body cared...... Yes I yearn for a simpler time............ Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32402	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: train chat

Try Terry Putt at http://www.putttrains.com/ He now makes some of the old Rex engines. Dick Aurora, OH At 08:24 PM 9/26/2004, dvprc wrote: > Where can I get parts for the old Rex engines > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32403	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Earthquakes!!

We're shakin' in Calif. again!! I just felt a 5.9...and have had 19 smaller ones in the past 15 minutes!! Check out: http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/121-36_eqs.htm Rick "Rock & Rollin'" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32404	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!

Hey.... if it keeps going let me know so I might run out..... what a trip.....(But can it all be delayed till after York?????) earthquakes and Mt. St. Helens too..... And we though canes were bad!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Earthquakes!! > We're shakin' in Calif. again!! I just felt a 5.9...and have had 19 smaller > ones in the past 15 minutes!! > Check out: http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/121-36_eqs.htm > > Rick "Rock & Rollin'" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32405	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks You can start voting for the 2005 Josh Seltzer Website Excellence Award. Check out the S sites and look for the voting button and vote for your favorite one. You can vote for any S site be it Commercial, Club or personnel. You can go to the NASG links page http://www.nasg.org/links.html to find S websites, Also if you surf the Internet and find any not list on our links page please let me know. Any S Scaler can vote. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32406	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Pictures and report from CJSS Fall Get-together on SHS site

I took a bunch of pictures at the Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get-together, edited them down to a manageable size, and posted them on the SHS website. It includes a picture of the soon-to-be, S Scale America, 53' Evans Double Plug Door Box Car in UP colors, and a picture of the new NJI switch stands. Its about 1.2 MB, so will take a bit to load, but I hope you'll find it worthwhile. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexFGT.html I've also added the 3 new roadnames for the composite gondolas, although I only have a picture of the B&M so far. Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32407	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!

Just looked at St. Helens for the last month..... mostly .1 to .4 Now for the past 4 days up to 2.8..... almost a 3 and almost every day.... and all are in the crater.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Earthquakes!! > We're shakin' in Calif. again!! I just felt a 5.9...and have had 19 smaller > ones in the past 15 minutes!! > Check out: http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/121-36_eqs.htm > > Rick "Rock & Rollin'" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32408	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Earthquakes!!

First it is Hurricanes or Her canes as Jerry Matsick in Jacksonville, FL writes me. Ah, he is a O gauge! And now Earthquakes in CA!! Why don't you all move to a safer place! O:)!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Earthquakes!! > Just looked at St. Helens for the last month..... mostly .1 to .4 Now for > the past 4 days up to 2.8..... almost a 3 and almost every day.... and all > are in the crater.... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Earthquakes!! > > > > We're shakin' in Calif. again!! I just felt a 5.9...and have had 19 > smaller > > ones in the past 15 minutes!! > > Check out: http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/121-36_eqs.htm > > > > Rick "Rock & Rollin'" Evans. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32409	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Pictures and report from CJSS Fall Get-together on SHS site

Hi Bill Thanks for sharing your great photos of the Get-Together. I enjoyed them. John At 15:28 9/28/2004, Bill Clark wrote: >I took a bunch of pictures at the Central Jersey S Scalers Fall >Get-together, edited them down to a manageable size, and posted them on the >SHS website. It includes a picture of the soon-to-be, S Scale America, 53' >Evans Double Plug Door Box Car in UP colors, and a picture of the new NJI >switch stands. Its about 1.2 MB, so will take a bit to load, but I hope >you'll find it worthwhile. Here's the link: > >http://www.showcaseline.com/indexFGT.html > >I've also added the 3 new roadnames for the composite gondolas, although I >only have a picture of the B&M so far. > >Thanks! >Bill > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32410	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418

re:Safety You are alll welcome to move to nice safe New York City...No problems here excerpt getting room for a layout Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32411	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: hobby shops

Any shops in the Atlanta area that might have American Flyer? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32412	From: Paul	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Back to Trains - Please

Lets all double out effort to stay ON TOPIC. S Trains is the subject, please try to limit your postings to trains, shows, layouts, repair questions and the like. No more storms, no more weather related postings. If you want to talk about one of these off topic subjects send it to the list member that you think is most interested. Most of them are not interested. If this note makes you want to reply, please reply only to me. I promise to read your note. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32413	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: scenery and its generating mechanisms

personlly the countryside i have modeled in general is largely volcanic in nature and modeling a volcano useing a smoke generating unit at like at back edge of the scenery for a proper smoaking mountain festure,,also one of st helens nicknames,,bnsf owns or did own the previous summit areas and other parts f the surounding mountian...and rails crossing the crasy quilt of faultlines in the region is alsways a issue for track maint crews and inspection teams along with the many many,many 1940's or so built truss bridges ..also a good what to ahve chageing geologi featerures on a layout is to modle the area of the fault and as it moves ou re scienic the ara ocasionally and the rails always kind of being worked on so it gets bent a little this way ot a little that way if yu want a subtle change in the way things flow but that my take on it fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32414	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Earthquake

Hope David Dewey's Ok... Didn't he say something during the Sunday Chat.. about eathquakes were due in CA and tying down his grand piano so that it wouldn't fall down... He called this one...early. PARKFIELD, Calif. (Sept. 28) - A strong earthquake shook the state Tuesday from Los Angeles to San Francisco, cracking pipes, breaking bottles of wine and knocking pictures from walls. There were no immediate reports of any injuries from the 6.0- magnitude quake and its more than 160 aftershocks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32415	From: firex43	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Places to Eat While in the York, PA, Area

To all members heading to York, if you want a truly great restaurant that is located north/east of Strasburg on route 23 in Blue Ball, PA, try the enclosed link for the Shady Maple Smorgasbord. Plenty of food and plenty of room (see crying child at Golden Corral); extra rooms off the main dining area for groups. http://www.shady-maple.com/smorgmenu.htm You will have to copy and paste the info as it won't highlight for me. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32416	From: T Larson	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: RC

Radio Shack has their "1/64th" scale RC cars on sale for $10. -- Ted Larson When all else fails, read the instructions!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32417	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Thursday Dinner in York

A bunch of S gaugers will be meeting at Alexander's Diner (just up the road from the fairgrounds and near Ollie's Bargain Barn) for dinner at 6 pm on Thursday night. A great PA diner with full meals (soup, salad, entree) for under $10. Time for greeting and talking with plenty of time left over before the Gilbert Get-Together. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32418	From: Hannon	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418

Denny: That's the right armature number. Only for some reason, Gilbert numbered it X9337-A, with the field numbered X9338. Bob Hannon > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:33:54 -0000 > From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> > Subject: Re: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help? > > Partially answering my own question: looks like Tripple S supplies > has crane armatures (XA9337). Is this the right armature for the one > button cranes?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32419	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/28/2004
Subject: I'm OK, still no email.

I'm ok, no shaking here, the trains are still in the boxes on the shelves, but I DID tie up my piano early this AM! Wish my ISP would fix the email, this is my ONLY way to post anyone right now! S' David (the clarivoiant one!! :-) )D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32420	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418

Dear Bob, I always wondered what the "A", "B" or "C" of the part number represented. Maury Romer told me the last letter of the part number indicated the size of technical drawing that was used for the part. Don Hannon wrote: >Denny: > >That's the right armature number. Only for some >reason, Gilbert numbered it X9337-A, with the field >numbered X9338. > >Bob Hannon > > > > > >>Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:33:54 -0000 >> From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> >>Subject: Re: 583 Electromagnetic Crane Help? >> >>Partially answering my own question: looks like Tripple S supplies >>has crane armatures (XA9337). Is this the right armature for the one >>button cranes? >> >> > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32421	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Florida Train Shows

Still digging out from hurricane #3. Current information is that the Deland show this weekend at the Volusia County Fairgrounds is still on - see ya there if you are coming. The Oct 9 show at the Polish Hall in Port St. Lucie has been cancelled because they can no longer find the Polish Hall. Man what a summer! I really need the theraputic value of York this year! Drinkin' beer and buying trains - doesn't get much better than that! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32422	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers

Don: That's very, VERY interesting. And he would have known, since his signature appears on most of the Bills of Materials (BOMs). But, did he say the LAST letter? Can you fill us in on the context of the conversation. In the meantime, this is what I know (or have heard) about A.C. Gilbert part number formats. Maybe you or someone can fill in the blanks. 1. X (assembly of parts) or P (a part) letter PREFIX originated in the early HO product line. Some of those parts went on to be used in the S-Gauge line and the numbering convention was maintained. 2. XA (assembly of parts) or PA (a part) digraph PREFIX was used in the O-Gauge and S-Gauge product line (and in other products manufactured by the A.C. Gilbert company). 3. A SUFFIX (-A, -B, -C, -AA, -AB etc.) was used to indicate a revision or variation in a part or assembly. If you look in my book you'll see it could be a significant mechanical variation (e.g., the XA9357, XA9357-B, XA9357-D) or just the fact that an assembly came with different length hook-up leads (e.g., the XA10587 reverse unit). 4. The "IBM" numbering system: Now this is where I draw a blank, and where Maury Romer's comment may apply; namely, assembly and part numbers with an embedded letter like XA13B381, XA14B433). Could this have been what Maury was referring to as the "last letter"? Anyone who can, please feel free to jump in! Especially if it involves the memory of a conversation with a factory employee. Even better, if you have factory hard-copy evidence/documentation of the naming convention. Bob Hannon ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Thompson To: Hannon ; S Train e-group Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2418 Dear Bob, I always wondered what the "A", "B" or "C" of the part number represented. Maury Romer told me the last letter of the part number indicated the size of technical drawing that was used for the part. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32423	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers

Dear Bob, With my first S business, Train Stuff, we produced repro AF parts. Robin and I would go to the two York meets (only one building in those days and no reserved tables). Maury would hit both Yorks on his way from Florida in the Spring and back from CT in the fall. He would come over and talk about the good old days. I think everyone looked forward to seeing Maury. He always had some great stories. Many of his stories were printed in the AFCC newsletter. I miss that magazine too. Anyway, I was going over the numbering system with him and asked about the last letter that appeared on some parts and not on others. He told me that is was a reference to the size of the tooling drawing needed for the part. He said that "C" was the largest. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32424	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers

Don: Yes, I miss the AFCC magazine too. It was a really great one! And content? Wow! Ahhhhh, 'C' was the largest? That's interesting. Maybe he WAS referring to the embedded letter (XA13B381, XA13C375) because that's the highest letter I've ever seen (except for some of the sound generator/vibrator tubes like PA11N665 where maybe the 'N' stood for 'NONE' because Gilbert purchased those from whoever). Otherwise, 'C' is the max I've ever seen. . When I was researching my American Flyer book, the BOMs explicitly stated that the XA10587 (commonly referred to as the 3-position reverse unit) versions A-E differred only in the length of the hook-up leads. Other nearly identical coil entries with the -A,-B,-C and -D suffix would indicate a different configuration, not necessarily a different sized drawing. I guess the key would be to find the original drawings for something like the XA9357, XA9357-B and XA9357-D coils and see if they had different sized drawings. I just wish more of this info had survived the factory fire when they were closing up, or that the stuff that did survive and is now in the hands of collectors was made public or made available for publication. Oh well. One another note: Your "first" company? What's the name of your "second" / current company? Seriously! I want to know! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <robin@...> > Dear Bob, > With my first S business, Train Stuff, we produced repro AF parts. > Robin and I would go to the two York meets (only one building in those > days and no reserved tables). Maury would hit both Yorks on his way > from Florida in the Spring and back from CT in the fall. He would come > over and talk about the good old days. I think everyone looked forward > to seeing Maury. He always had some great stories. Many of his stories > were printed in the AFCC newsletter. I miss that magazine too. Anyway, > I was going over the numbering system with him and asked about the last > letter that appeared on some parts and not on others. He told me that > is was a reference to the size of the tooling drawing needed for the > part. He said that "C" was the largest. > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32425	From: Hannon	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers

Don: DUH! (on me). Bob ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2418 - A.C. Gilbert Part Numbers Dear Bob, No secret, S Helper Service Inc. Don as in Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32426	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: I'm new here...

My train experiance began with American Flyer at age four. That was fifty years ago! I've been in every scale from Z up to 7 1/2" scale in the mean time, and I am now returning to Flyer. Having been "out of the loop" for so long, I'm going to need help. I've got the TM American Flyer book and a price guide. However, I'll be asking some questions, probably dumb ones, and I hope you folks can help. Question #1 Aside from train shows, is buying from online guys a viable option? Who do you recommend? Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32427	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: I'm new here...

If you are CAREFUL E-bay has lots of good deals...... Train shows are very good too..... try the HO type shows..... I have found many good buys at these type shows..... From OHIO..... York is coming up in Pa..... open shows Monday, small thur thursday, large.... Then the TCA meet on Friday and Sat.... HUGE..... Well worth the drive from Ohio...... lots of us are going from all over the country.... who knows you might find someone in your area going... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm new here... > My train experiance began with American Flyer at age four. That was > fifty years ago! I've been in every scale from Z up to 7 1/2" scale > in the mean time, and I am now returning to Flyer. > Having been "out of the loop" for so long, I'm going to need help. > I've got the TM American Flyer book and a price guide. However, I'll > be asking some questions, probably dumb ones, and I hope you folks > can help. > Question #1 Aside from train shows, is buying from online guys a > viable option? Who do you recommend? > Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32428	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Part Numbers

Each company's Engineering Department has it's own method of assigning part numbers. True, there are "A", "B", "C", etc sized drawings The "A" size starts out as about page (8.5x11) and each size doubles it. Other methods are to issue the part numbers sequentally. Thus the trailing letter would be the revision issue of the original part. X-9338-A would be a later issue of the Engineering Drawing than "blank", "B" would be a later revision than "A". Another method would be to assign part numbers by product or group. Each revision of the drawing is usually accompanied by an Engineering Change Notive. This should give disposition to existing inventories, provide accounting information, and special instructions. There are more ways of handling this than there is to skin a cat. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32429	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic

Anyone get their York Badges yet???? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32430	From: starr007	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Salt Lake City, Utah

Greetings, I live in Texas and am considering transferring to the Salt Lake City Area, Does anyone know of an S-Guage club in that area, And are there any good hobby shops? How about a Railroad station for sale? Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32431	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic

Hi Robert. I did. About a week ago. John At 20:35 9/29/2004, robert allen conner wrote: >Anyone get their York Badges yet???? Bob > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32432	From: race944t	Date: 9/29/2004
Subject: York Registration

Can anyone give me the contact name of the registrar of the York meet for those WITH tables. I have sent my registration form and check with SASE but have not gotten anything back from them. The check has not cleared my bank so I'm wondering if it is lost somewhere. The registration form has the name and telephone number of the person I need to contact and I didn't keep a copy. Who should I call? Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32433	From: race944t	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: York Registration

OK, so I'm blind. Maybe I just can't see red. Thank you for all who pointed out the big red lettering I missed. I'm sooooo embarrassed!! Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32434	From: roy inman	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: FW: S gauge track

Hi all; Being a Mac user, and wanting to use a CAD track planning program for layouts, I found MacRailSoft. While it appears to be a useful program, there are no templates in the library for any S track. When I inquired as to why, I received this reply. Knowing the excellent response and service I (and others) have always received from SHS, I wonder if perhaps somehow Don Thompson did not get contacted? Or if maybe there are other circumstances about which I know not... But what about American Models and others? And I wonder what Jan Barnholt means by "useful information?" I am emailing for his responses also. Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman ---------- > From: "J. Barnholt" <barnholt@...> > Organization: MacRailSoft > Reply-To: contact@... > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:16:24 +0200 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: S gauge track > > Mr. Inman, > > There is currently no S gauge library available. > We've tried to get specifications for the available track systems, > but never got any useful information back from the vendors. > > regards, > Jan Barnholt > > > > roy inman wrote: >> Any plans to include American Models and/or S-Helper Service S-gauge track >> in the library? >> Roy Inman >> > > -- > ===|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|=== > | | RailModeller : Model Railroad Trackplanning for MacOS | | > > Web: http://www.railmodeller.com | E-Mail: contact@... > MacRailSoft : Jan Barnholt, Zaubzerstrasse 37, D-81677 Muenchen, Germany > ===|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|=== >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32435	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: S gauge track

Roy, Templot has templates for S gauge track. See http://www.templot.com Regards, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: 30 September 2004 16:23 To: S-Trains; S-scale Cc: barnholt@... Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: S gauge track Hi all; Being a Mac user, and wanting to use a CAD track planning program for layouts, I found MacRailSoft. While it appears to be a useful program, there are no templates in the library for any S track. When I inquired as to why, I received this reply. Knowing the excellent response and service I (and others) have always received from SHS, I wonder if perhaps somehow Don Thompson did not get contacted? Or if maybe there are other circumstances about which I know not... But what about American Models and others? And I wonder what Jan Barnholt means by "useful information?" I am emailing for his responses also. Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman -----Original Message----- > From: "J. Barnholt" <barnholt@...> > Reply-To: contact@... > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:16:24 +0200 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: S gauge track > > Mr. Inman, > > There is currently no S gauge library available. > We've tried to get specifications for the available track systems, but > never got any useful information back from the vendors. > > regards, > Jan Barnholt > > > roy inman wrote: >> Any plans to include American Models and/or S-Helper Service S-gauge >> track in the library? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32436	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: For those seeking info

To Stumpy in Ohio and J.R. in Texas - You'll probably hear directly from some of these folks, but I recommend that you check out the following clubs. Stumpy, the Ohio clubs can give you all kinds of information in answer to your questions, and J.R., the Golden Spike AF Club in the SLC area can do likewise. To get the e-mail addresses of the contacts for these clubs, just go to the NASG website, www.nasg.org, click on "S Clubs," and find the state of interest. Stumpy: Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Assn. Lee McCarty 8727 Broadview Rd. Broadview Heights, OH 44147-1960 Miami Valley S Gaugers Rick Smith 1233 State Route 201 Casstown, OH 45312 Central Ohio S Gaugers Alan Evans P.O. Box 30345 Gahanna, OH 43230 Northern Ohio S Scalers Gary Ippolito 27101 Osborn Rd. Bay Village, OH 44140-2350 J.R.: Golden Spike American Flyer Club Eddie Strong 189 So. Englewood Drive Orem, UT 84058 Face-to-face contact with local fellows of the same interest is your best bet for information. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32437	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Welcome

< Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:58:17 -0000 < From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> <Subject: I'm new here... < <My train experiance began with American Flyer at age <four. That was fifty years ago! I've been in every < scale from Z up <to 7 1/2" scale in the mean time, <and I am now returning to Flyer. Welcome back. And now there is a lot more than just old Gilbert AF. There is S-Helper Service (www.showcaseline.com), American Models (www.americanmodels.com), Lionel produced AF (www.lionel.com), K-Line (k-linetrains.com), and several other smaller sources. < Having been "out of the loop" for so long, I'm going <to need help. <I've got the TM American Flyer book <and a price <guide. However, I'll be asking some <questions, probably dumb ones, and I <hope you folks <can help. < Question #1 Aside from train shows, is buying from online guys a viable option? Who do you recommend? I heartily recommend this list sponsor, Mark Preman. You can find him at www.americanflyertrains.com. Joe < Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH. ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32438	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Re: Off Topic

Hi Bob - Mine came early this week. Dick Aurora, OH At 08:35 PM 9/29/2004, robert allen conner wrote: >Anyone get their York Badges yet???? Bob > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32439	From: jt12313	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: Hey polpolk!!

Sorry for the mass blast everyone... Tried to reply about that engine but all I got were bounces. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32440	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/30/2004
Subject: 634 to 646

can anyone tell me if you can use the light fixture from 634 on the 646's? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32441	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Lou from WV ?

If you're from the northern panhandle of WV and play music, you're the right Lou! Please contact me off list. I lost your e-mail address already! Early Alzheimers setting in, I guess. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32442	From: race944t	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Cold Heat soldering

A few months back this board was full of discussion about the "Cold Heat" soldering tool. Did anyone get one and does it work? I've seen all types of reports about the electrical current produced by the tool being a potential hazzard to circuits, but if the tool works, I don't think this should be an issue with older trains without ICs. Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32443	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering

Before you buy one..... there is a late night ad that sells these for 19.95? including a wire stripper..... have to find the number if needed.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Cold Heat soldering > A few months back this board was full of discussion about the "Cold > Heat" soldering tool. Did anyone get one and does it work? I've > seen all types of reports about the electrical current produced by > the tool being a potential hazzard to circuits, but if the tool > works, I don't think this should be an issue with older trains > without ICs. > > Bill Clark > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32444	From: roy inman	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cold Heat soldering

Hi Bill, et al; My daughter ordered one for my birthday. That was in July and it hasn't arrived yet. Backordered still. Nearly as I can tell from reading, the electronic field is somewhat similar to that created by the typical "instant heat" trigger guns. I learned the hard way to not use them around R/C model plane receivers! I read on some electronics web site that an instant heat soldering gun should be kept at least 8" away from electronics, so if and when my cold heat gun arrives, I will follow that suggestion. I plan to use it for stuff like soldering connectors to track, connectors on modular layouts, basically anything that does not have a circuit board. If in doubt, avoid it will be my plan. If the thing ever gets here, I will test and post a report. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: race944t <race944t@...> > Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:52:44 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Cold Heat soldering > > A few months back this board was full of discussion about the "Cold > Heat" soldering tool. Did anyone get one and does it work? I've > seen all types of reports about the electrical current produced by > the tool being a potential hazzard to circuits, but if the tool > works, I don't think this should be an issue with older trains > without ICs. > > Bill Clark > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32445	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: soldering

I ordered one too-never came. The $19.95 with stripper becomes $30+ quickly with shipping. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32446	From: woodster358	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: NASG American Flyer rolling stock

Does anyone have a list of all 20 some odd NASG American Flyer cars produced since 1988? I have a partial listing but am hoping to find out the cars for all the years. I am interested in year produced and model number. Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32447	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: NEW TOYS

Hey the mail man....UPS.... just dropped off the New Piggyback set.... and the New Southern Work Train set.... Boy its in a nice Green Set box....Heavier than the old boxes....... Haven't cut the plastic yet...... THINKING..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32448	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: NASG American Flyer rolling stock

These should help you out... I think they are all there, and hoping they are right..... Vin No.--Year-- Description 700 -1981- NASG CONVENTION BOX CAR 48470-1988- JERSEY CENTRAL BOX CAR 48471-1989- MISSOURI, KANSAS, TEXAS TANK CAR 48472-1990- PENNZOIL TANK CAR 48475-1991- BORAXO HOPPER w/COVER 48476-1991- NEW YORK CENTRAL REEFER 48478-1992- BURLINGTON BOX CAR 48479-1992- NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLAT CAR w/TRAILER 48480-1993- SUSQUEHANNA BOX CAR 48481-1993- REA REEFER 48485-1994- NORTHERN PACIFIC BOX CAR 48486-1994- NYNH&H BOX CAR 48493-1995- SOUTHERN PACIFIC TTUX (2)UNITS w/ TRAILERS 48494-1995- LEHIGH VALLEY HOPPER w/COVER 52094-1996- ANN ARBOR HOPPER w/COVER 52095-1996- MOBIL TANK CAR 48205-1997- PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS REEFER 48211-1998- MAGNOLIA TANK CAR 48214-1999- GREAT NORTHERN CABOOSE w/LIGHT 48220-2000- DEEP ROCK TANK CAR 48224-2001- GULF TANK CAR 48228-2002- COOK PAINT&VARNISH TANK CAR 48233- 2003- UP TANK CAR woodster358 <daniel.downing@...> wrote: Does anyone have a list of all 20 some odd NASG American Flyer cars produced since 1988? I have a partial listing but am hoping to find out the cars for all the years. I am interested in year produced and model number. Thanks, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32449	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Train related ??????

There was a Krispy Kreme car on e-bay.... I was bidding on it but e-bay cancelled it.... Claimed you can't use that name !!! can you tell me more about this car... would still like one..... It was by American Models... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32450	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: New AF

<<<Hey the mail man....UPS.... just dropped off the New Piggyback set.... and the New Southern Work Train set.... Boy its in a nice Green Set box....Heavier than the old boxes....... Haven't cut the plastic yet...... THINKING..... Bob >>> Yep....and the Xmas pair of hoppers have arrived, as well as the GN action-cabeese! Lionel is doing quite well at delivering on time, if not early!!! (The Mikado delay to December is not all Lionel's fault.....it's the factory's.) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32451	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: AF Naughty and Nice

Hi Everyone, For those who ordered the American Flyer naughty and nice cars, They are here! Look pretty neat I think. I know I am happy to have a set. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 www.Elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32452	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: 919 CB&Q

Could anyone tell me what sets the A.F. 919 CB&Q side dump coal car was used? Does it work very well with the 752 Seaboard Coaler? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32453	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 3, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32454	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] S Gaugers+

We a have a successful conversion from an O gauger from the TCA list to S gauge. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtoytrain@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [toytrains] S Gaugers+ > I would like to hear from any "S-Gaugers" on TTML, I have seen the Light and am leaving the O Gauge Railroading and would like to talk any of you about the to-dos and no to-dos with S Gauge/Scale. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > Mtoytrain@... > > From the "Sunshine" State! > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > 904-693-1032 > email: Mtoytrain@... > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32455	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: 919 CB&Q

Hi Mike, The ones I found so far are: 5540TBW 5585H 5680RH 20080 20285 20380 If I come across any more I'll let you know. Hope the info helps. Daryl -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ruth.leahy@c... wrote: > Could anyone tell me what sets the A.F. 919 CB&Q side dump coal car was used? > Does it work very well with the 752 Seaboard Coaler? > > Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32456	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Re: Train related ??????

Here is the text of what e-bay sent...... But almost everything has a TRADE NAME in the auctions...... Does this mean that if I want to list "AMERICAN FLYER, BY LIONEL, SOUTHERN WORK TRAIN SET"..... I have to put "By, Work train set"???? As A title??? Bob Guess he can relist it as "Am Models 2001 S Spree Car with vans on Flat" Dear Robert Allen Conner (rcon7@...), The following listing: 5923342336 -Am Models 2001 S Spree Car Krispy Kreme Vans on B&O FC was removed by eBay because a member of our Verified Right Owner (VeRO) Program notified eBay that the listing potentially infringes its copyright, trademark or other rights. We strongly urge you not to complete this transaction. You can get more information on the VeRO Program at: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/programs-vero-ov.html Thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this issue. Regards, Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) eBay Inc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32457	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 10/1/2004
Subject: Fabled cold heat soldering irons.

S-Gaugers, I too have ordered ne of the fabled "cold heat" soldering irons and wire strippers for $19.95. I thought about how nice it would be to help in the rewiring of some of my Gilbert made Flyer locomotives, accessories, and lighted cars. The thing was ordered in June or July, and here it is, 1 October and no soldering iron. I guess I'll just have to go back to my Weller 35 watt "hot heat" soldering gun and chalk the fabled "cold heat" one to that famous "boxcar on a siding in Duluth." Anybody who would stick a just used soldering iron in his shirt pocket deserves a burn anyway. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32458	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering

On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 11:55 AM, robert allen conner wrote: > Before you buy one..... there is a late night ad that sells these for > 19.95? > including a wire stripper..... have to find the number if needed.... > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- They can also can be found on "As Seen On TV. web site. http://www.asseenontv.com/?gg=ontv Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Treat each day as your last. One day you will be right

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32459	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fabled cold heat soldering irons.

not sure what brand they use at work, in the electrical shop,,,,but i do know there cordless irons work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons. > > S-Gaugers, > I too have ordered ne of the fabled "cold heat" soldering irons and > wire strippers for $19.95. I thought about how nice it would be to help > in the rewiring of some of my Gilbert made Flyer locomotives, > accessories, and lighted cars. The thing was ordered in June or July, > and here it is, 1 October and no soldering iron. I guess I'll just have > to go back to my Weller 35 watt "hot heat" soldering gun and chalk the > fabled "cold heat" one to that famous "boxcar on a siding in Duluth." > Anybody who would stick a just used soldering iron in his shirt > pocket deserves a burn anyway. > W. Thomas Boussum > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by > creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32460	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat soldering

Its a waste of money. Interesting technology, but only good for smaller easily accessable jobs. On one review site this is obvious as they say: >>However, the company states: We do not recommend it for soldering of large metallic components that require a lot of heat transfer or for soldering sensitive electronic components that may be damaged by fast-rising temperatures or high electrical current. (Momentary high-amperage current will be created during active soldering.)>> So basically its only good for very small jobs like attaching a wire to a lug. Secondly, the tips are super fragile. One wrong move and your tip is broken, and the unit is useless. The tip is a split design, and to get the tip to get hot you need to bridge this gap by pressing it against the metal objects being soldered. This is only practical in the most ideal situations. When working with small odd shaped parts, its a lesson in frustration.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32461	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: NASG American Flyer rolling stock

Hi Don, I tried, but I guess I should have used insulated boxcar, not reefer...... Thanks for the correction..... Next time no short cuts !!!!!!!!!!!!! Vin Donald Thompson <robin@...> wrote: Dear Vin, I was the chairman for the 48470-1988- JERSEY CENTRAL project. It was actually an insulated boxcar. Check out the door. Best regards, Don Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32462	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Re: Fabled cold heat soldering irons and other scams on tv

All of this sounds like the latest TV ad for Home Loans..... Borrow and pay off all bills.... Your 900.00 a month payments will consolidate to 169.00 the first month..... saving you almost 731.00 ( Clue...the FIRST MONTH ).... I am glad this came up.... I won't order one now.... stick with the old ways.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons. > > not sure what brand they use at work, in the electrical shop,,,,but i do > know there cordless irons work good. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons. > > > > > > S-Gaugers, > > I too have ordered ne of the fabled "cold heat" soldering irons and > > wire strippers for $19.95. I thought about how nice it would be to help > > in the rewiring of some of my Gilbert made Flyer locomotives, > > accessories, and lighted cars. The thing was ordered in June or July, > > and here it is, 1 October and no soldering iron. I guess I'll just have > > to go back to my Weller 35 watt "hot heat" soldering gun and chalk the > > fabled "cold heat" one to that famous "boxcar on a siding in Duluth." > > Anybody who would stick a just used soldering iron in his shirt > > pocket deserves a burn anyway. > > W. Thomas Boussum > > > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by > > creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32463	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: 2004 NASG General Electric Flatcar

Just got the NASG 2004 General Electric Flatcar from Doug Peck.What a nice job Lionel did on this piece. I hope Lionel is around to continue the General Electric Series.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32464	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: more cold soldering

Got an e-mail this morning saying that the unit was shipped ywesterday. Will report! Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32465	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32466	From: roy inman	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons and other scams on

I think I now see why the unit that my daughter ordered for my birthday in July has not yet arrived. I just saw the soldering guns at Radio Shack under their label. So apparently the manufacturer has been busy producing units to market under the RS label and not fulfilling the orders made directly to them months back. Neighbor bought one at RS. It works as advertised. We soldered wire leads directly to AM flex track in an instant. After some 40 similar tests, the tip was as bright and shiny as when the unit came out of the packaging. It will not heat up unless the twin tips contact metal, so there is not as much risk of getting burned. It will not start up when the on button is pushed and the tips are contacting skin, or wood, or plastic or your workbench, unless it is metal. I am sure it has limitations, such as not being able to use it around any device with a computer chip. My current mains powered instant heat soldering gun has the same drawback. Since I do not work much with circuit boards, it is not a concern for me. They recommend AA lithium batteries, which are much higher priced than regular alkalines. The claim is more than 700 joints on a set of batteries. We'll see... The tip is not as fragile as someone mentioned on the list, at least in our brief, limited experience. We tried to smash it on the end of a 1x4 and the tips would not bend. We were able to bend them with a pair of pliers. The neighbor bought a spare set of tips, fortunately. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: robert allen conner <rcon7@...> > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:40:35 -0400 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "W. Thomas Boussum" > <lenhardt_euler@...>, louis glumac <lglumac@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons and other scams on tv > > > All of this sounds like the latest TV ad for Home Loans..... Borrow and pay > off all bills.... Your 900.00 a month payments will consolidate to 169.00 > the first month..... saving you almost 731.00 ( Clue...the FIRST MONTH ).... > I am glad this came up.... I won't order one now.... stick with the old > ways.... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "W. Thomas Boussum" > <lenhardt_euler@...> > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons. > > >> >> not sure what brand they use at work, in the electrical shop,,,,but i do >> know there cordless irons work good. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:50 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Fabled cold heat soldering irons. >> >> >>> >>> S-Gaugers, >>> I too have ordered ne of the fabled "cold heat" soldering irons and >>> wire strippers for $19.95. I thought about how nice it would be to help >>> in the rewiring of some of my Gilbert made Flyer locomotives, >>> accessories, and lighted cars. The thing was ordered in June or July, >>> and here it is, 1 October and no soldering iron. I guess I'll just have >>> to go back to my Weller 35 watt "hot heat" soldering gun and chalk the >>> fabled "cold heat" one to that famous "boxcar on a siding in Duluth." >>> Anybody who would stick a just used soldering iron in his shirt >>> pocket deserves a burn anyway. >>> W. Thomas Boussum >>> >>> "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by >>> creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32467	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/2/2004
Subject: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic

Some of the members and myself were talking about starting an new list. The idea behind the new list goes like this. Many of the list members have gotten to be pretty good friends. They see each other at regional events, they are regulars on the Sunday Chat, and so on. Some of these folks have been known go off topic and mention subjects like earthquakes, storms, health, family problems, housing issues, owls and so forth. Some of the list members would rather not be party to these off topic notes, and I can't blame them, they get on my nerves some times too. The new list will not be moderated by me. So we are looking for several folks to step forward to help with this list. I hope that this proposal does not spawn a long thread of off topic posts. To allow an outlet for your opinion on this subject I have started a poll at http://s-scale.org that will allow you to vote and also leave a comment. PLEASE TRY TO MINIMIZE POSTS TO THE S-TRAINS LIST ABOUT THIS OFF TOPIC POST. It is better if you reply to me and/or post your comments to the poll at http://S-Scale.org You don't need any membership or login to vote. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32468	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Newbie has idea...

Y'all...As a newbie to this list, I expect to ask questions, but here is some (possibly) useful info from another source; On30. I've been on the "On30 Conspiracy" group for a few years, a free thinking and imaginative bunch, always on the look out for new items to use in that scale/gauge. Industrial Rails (www.indusrialrail.com) makes an "027" Shorty Wood Ore Car that sells for only $15. By replacing the O trucks with On30 ones and sticking a pair of KaDee couplers on it, this makes a pretty good car for On30. Why not try this in S gauge? The On30 gang has been converting S-Helper, American Models, and even some ragged American Flyer cars for narrow gauge use for some time, and I see in the photos or files sections here that some of y'all have been converting On30 cars to S gauge. While the scale is different, the proportions of On30 and S gauge rolling stock is extremely close. I've been using some of the smaller MTH O scale buildings with the narrow gauge stuff and they would look right at home on an S gauge layout, no worse than Plasticville or some operating accessories at least. While these scale to scale conversions won't work for the "scale" folks, the hi-railers and Flyer fans might find this type of thing useful. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry,OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Re: Newbie has idea...

The Industrial Rails Caboose is almost deadon "S".... It is an easy conversion..... Several people have converted the On30 Engines and cars to "S" ..... The new Kline cars are there old Marx molds with "S" trucks.... There are lots of possibilities... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: On30 stuff....

Steve Blancard has a little webpage on On30 conversions.... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html .....and you can see his photo album @ http://s-scale.org/albums/album46 ... and a few of my On30 goodies @ http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo97 . Rick "I like On30" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 3, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32472	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2423

I have an extra # 24030 MKT box car yellow plastic, pike master trucks, clean, no chips, good lettering. $30. + shopping. grdobbs@... ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32473	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Anybody have an update on K-Line Big Boy S Conversion?

I was glad to find out a while back that there were at least two other S-Trains subscribers who had sent K-Line O gauge Big Boy locomotives to Ballston Locomotive Works. I remembered reading a few weeks ago that some developments were expected on this project in September. Now that September has come and gone with no word from BLW (and one phone call not returned), I was wondering if anyone else had heard any news on the status of the conversion project. Thanks to all who reply, Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32474	From: keefer1	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: DUCK !!

Dave contact me off list please.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32475	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Greenberg books

I don't need any of the Greenberg books, but I thought Volume One was still in print, as I search the publisher's website for it and all I found was the Greenberg Price Guide for AF. I have a friend in FL who just converted from O to S after 40 or some years, and I think he needs some help in learning about AF. I know you can find the Greenberg books on Ebay, but volume one is good enough for now, if it is still in print. Anyone know? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32476	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Greenberg books

In a message dated 10/4/2004 5:17:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: but I thought Volume One was still in print, Mike, It is no longer being printed by Kalmbach, but one can still find it (the softbound version) in stores. Besides Vol. 1, Vol. 3 is the most fun to peruse and read. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32477	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Greenberg books

Thanks Bob, as I knew that was the case, being now a soft bound book, but I am trying to find where on the web to get it, as that might be a hit and miss book to get at a hobby Shoppe. But I will forward your email to my friend in FL. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: RBubeck327@... To: mlmarmer@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg books In a message dated 10/4/2004 5:17:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: but I thought Volume One was still in print, Mike, It is no longer being printed by Kalmbach, but one can still find it (the softbound version) in stores. Besides Vol. 1, Vol. 3 is the most fun to peruse and read. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32478	From: firex43	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: K-Line Big Boy Conversion by BLW

No word whatsoever up until now and none expected. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy Conversion by BLW

Maybe we can report something after York.... I think he sets up there.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <john_keating@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy Conversion by BLW > > > No word whatsoever up until now and none expected. > John Keating > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32480	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Royal Blue Question

Does anyone know the answer to this question below from an O gauge friend? **************************************************************** Now I have to try and find the Royal Blue passenger cars for the 3 rail Royal Blue. You wouldn't happen to know the AF number of them would you? I don't have any AF reference material. *************************************************************** Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32481	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question

In a message dated 10/4/2004 9:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Now I have to try and find the Royal Blue passenger cars for the 3 rail Royal Blue. You wouldn't happen to know the AF number of them would you? I don't have any AF reference material. A 490B Baggage car and two 495B coaches. B = blue. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32482	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Caution: Blatant attempt to sell extra S stuff.

I have 5 extra S Helper service 298 and 299 switches for sale. These have the wire and controllers and are like new although the switches were used a bit. (the wiring was not used) 2 lefts, 3 rights. $25 each (half price) plus actual shipping cost. Videos: I have the first 6 of S and S productions Videos in VHS format. $4 each or 3 for $10 plus actual Media Mail shipping. CC,MO,Paypal. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32483	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question

Look at this link for a 1941 catalog picture. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1941Catalog/AF_1941_catalog_page9.htm I think it shows baggage as 494B and coaches as 495B. (Hard to read the small print) On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Ken Keki" <kenstoys@...> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Royal Blue Question > > Does anyone know the answer to this question below from an O gauge friend? > **************************************************************** > Now I have to try and find the Royal Blue passenger cars for the 3 rail Royal Blue. You wouldn't happen to know the AF number of them would you? I don't have any AF reference material. > > *************************************************************** > > Thanks Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32484	From: G Nichol	Date: 10/4/2004
Subject: Need original 336 Ornamental Steam Whistle

Anyone have an extra original steam whistle for a 336 Northern (the piece on the boiler near the back)? If so, please let me know. I've called most of the dealers and get no answer - just voicemails. Thanks! Greg _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32485	From: waldootten	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: Need original 336 Ornamental Steam Whistle

They're probably repros, but Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies has them for about a buck and a half. He's at Portlines.com -- look under AF parts, steamers general parts. I've never seen one -- Doug, how close are they to the original? Phil K > Anyone have an extra original steam whistle for a 336 Northern (the piece on > the boiler near the back)? > > If so, please let me know. I've called most of the dealers and get no > answer - just voicemails. > > Thanks! > > Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32486	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: AF list

Hi, folks. On October 4th I e-mailed out my latest eight page AF list of S gauge trains for sale. If you did not receive a copy and wish to have one, please e-mail me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32487	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue Question -Follow up

Gentlemen: Now I have to try and find the Royal Blue passenger cars for the 3 rail Royal Blue. You wouldn't happen to know the AF number of them would you? I don't have any AF reference material. Permit me to give a more complete answer. There are three sets one could duplicate: Set No. 4007: 556 engine and tender, 494B baggage, and two 495B coaches (1940) Set No. 4102: 556 engine, 555 tender, 494B baggage, and two 495B coaches (1941) Set No. 4106: 556 engine, 555 tender, 490B whistling express car, and two 495B coaches (1941) The 490B is a baggage car with a whistle and is harder to find than the 494B. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32488	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: 1959 Defender Set

ttp://www.myflyertrains.org/ I was looking at the above website at the AF catalogs, nicely done website to the owner, and I notice I could not find the 1959 Defender Set listed on any catalog, set number 20545. Any ideas out there? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32489	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: 1959 Defender Set

>> and I notice I could not find the 1959 Defender Set listed on any catalog, set number 20545. Any ideas out there? << Please look again. It's on pages 6 and 7 (counting the cover as page 1) in my copy of D2115 (1959). The Defender is set No. 20525, btw. Between Royal blue questions and so forth, I think that I'll leave my catalogs out where I can get at them for a while. <BG> Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32490	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: York Arrangements

Hi All York Travelers, Well, the arrangements have been made for your participation, should you so choose. They are as follows: 10/13 Wed. Dinner reservations for the back room at Hoss's Steak & Sea House. 2175 White St., York 717-854-2966 White St., is also Rt. 74 (Carlisle Rd) across from Delco Plaza, next to Taco Bell. Reservations are in my name for 6:30. 10/14 Thurs. For those of you who travel to the NTTM (National Toy Train Museum) on Thursday afternoon, one of our fellow S collectors agreed to open up his train room for a tour last April. He has agreed to do this again for us. His home is very near the NTTM. The tour will be after 4:30 as he will be working at the NTTM until then. If you are interested, let me know and I'll have the arrangements worked out for that afternoon. It is really worth the visit. 10/14 Thurs. Meeting at Alexander's for dinner at 6:00. Alexander's is at 840 Carlisle Rd., York 717-846-1041. There is no reservation - just show up. 10/14 Thurs. 9:00 Gilbert Get Together at the Four Points Sheraton which is right behind the Round the Clock Diner off Arsenal Rd. 10/15 Friday. This is the first Fairgrounds Day. In April we met at the entrance between the Blue and Silver Halls. We'll meet again in the same place at 11:30 AM. There was a funnel cake stand there in April, and if it is still there, it's a good meeting place and makes for a great group photo. 10/15 Friday Dinner at The Olive Garden. 1340 Kenneth Rd., York. 717-845-2264 I'm not sure where Kenneth Rd. is, but my recollection is that the restaurant is on Rt. 30 just West of Rt. 83. I'll get more specifics on the address and directions and share them with you all at York. They do not take reservations. How about if we meet about 7:00 after you all get a little rest from the day. So there we have it. If you have never been to York before, you might want to read Clem Clement's York Primer. I found it very helpful in April. It can be found at: www.TcaMembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html Also, don't forget to print out and wear your S-Trains badge. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm I have heard from only 16 list members that they are attending (well, 17 counting yours truly). So rather than list them here, I am including the table locations for those members who are setting up as dealers. I have also chosen to post this information to the entire list in case there are some of you who plan to attend but have not contacted me. See you all next week. Especially nice weather has been ordered for the event. But if you want the specifics of the temps and forecast, you can go to www.weatherchannel.com and type in the York zip code: 17404. Safe travels and see you all there.... Barb Table Locations: Tom Doherty - PA Heritage Models. Orange Hall Between Lionel and MTH (across from Williams) Bill Clark - Last I heard, Bill will have a table of AF in a motor home on the Fairgrounds. Fred Jester - Fred's Train Parts, Orange Hall against the North Wall. Fire Hall, Mon. - Thurs. Doug Peck - Purple Hall on the East wall. Bob Persing - Orange Hall. Fire Hall, Mon. - Thurs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32491	From: jt12313	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: trouble shooting Baldwin motor kit

Greetings all, I just finished installing the replacement can motor in a Baldwin I am working on. After wiring up the motor (blue to the front truck, black to lug, red and brown to motor ) according to instruction then placing it upon the track... Nothing, well at least the lamp works. Any ideas how to get the thing to work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32492	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/5/2004
Subject: Re: trouble shooting Baldwin motor kit

I had this happen on one of these, check ( reheat ) the solder connections on the motor, that should fix it

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32493	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Re: Northern whistle

Correct....repro only (How often do we find a "junk Northern" ????) They look identical, although they're spin-cast, so they're softer metal tthan the original turned pieces. Functional, until you're lucky enough to find an original somewhere. <<<<They're probably repros, but Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies has them for about a buck and a half. He's at Portlines.com -- look under AF parts, steamers general parts. I've never seen one -- Doug, how close are they to the original? Phil K > Anyone have an extra original steam whistle for a 336 Northern (the piece on > the boiler near the back)?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32494	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Sad news from Chicagoland

The Chicagoland Association of S-Gaugers is sad to announce longtime Flyer afficionado Ed Fialkowski passed away from complications of lung cancer and pneumonia last September 17. Ed would have been 60 next January. He was also an active member of the Midwest TCA and National TCA. Ed was an ardent American Flyer operator, both vintage Gilbert and Flyonel, as well as American Models and S-Helper Service. His present layout is one of the huge layouts featured in T M Books and Video's American Flyer Vol. 2 video, which is currently in distribution. Ed specialized in resusitating "junkers" -- using his skills to save them from the landfill by restoring pieces to great cosmetic shape and running smoothly again. The C A S G has now lost two members to cancer this year (the first was club president Norm Schreiner) at, by today's standards, a relatively young age. The contributions of both of these men to the hobby and S Gauge will be missed. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32495	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Better than a duck-under, I think

In answer to a few e-mail requests, I just posted photos of my perpetually-in-progress layout at http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15. The last photos are of the lift-up "bridge" I designed to access the middle of the layout to avoid having to stress out my creaking bones by crawling on the floor. But I must admit, I tried to get cute by designing the wiring so the power to all crossing mains would shut down if the "bridge" was up (my transformers are on the opposite side of the layout). The mains each have their own power source and are bussed as individual blocks, but I used a common "ground" on all to reduce wiring. I thought by cutting the "ground" and therefore breaking the circuit in an emergency by lifting the bridge (pressure switch), all trains would come to a screeching halt before disappearing into the 4-foot precipice. The "bridge block" extends about five feet either side of the lift-up. It works, sorta. Worked great with a Baldwin and five boxcars when I did the first test. But I discovered if there are lighted cars in the consist, it doesn't work. Those cars reestablish the circiut between the "ground" on the "bridge" blocks and the rest of the layout. Fortunately, when I did the first test, I was standing right there and was able to catch my locomotive before it hit the floor. Learned something there, you betcha. If someone has a better idea, I'm listening. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32496	From: waldootten	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Ooops! Try this link

http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?page=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32497	From: Paul	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Better than a duck-under, I think

http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Here is the link [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32498	From: race944t	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: York Tables

My table is BLUE K-21 Somehow I don't think the York TCA Police would like it if I set up my own table in my motorhome. I'm sure there is something in the rules about that. Yes, Barb, I will be in my motorhome, but my table won't be. It must be my Soooutherrrrrn Draawwwl. I must not have made myself clear. Actually, I had not rec'd my info when I last responded. If anyone has any special Gilbert "S" requests, e-mail me offline and I'll see if I have it. Several 312 SITs will be making the trip. 1946 322 Set. Royal Blue 48T Set. Don't know what else yet. Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32499	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: Final York Update

This will be my final update. The Thursday layout tour at Jeff Leeking's is set up. I believe the arrangements will be that those interested in attending will meet outside the front entrance of The NTTM about 4:30. We will then proceed to Jeff's to view his fabulous layout. After hearing from a few other dealers, I have updated the table location list. I have to send it out this soon as I am leaving Thursday morning for Delaware. Take good care... Barb Table Locations: Tom Doherty - PA Heritage Models. Orange Hall Between Lionel and MTH (across from Williams) Bill Clark - Blue Hall, Table K-21 Fred Jester - Fred's Train Parts, Orange Hall against the North Wall. Fire Hall, Mon. - Thurs. Doug Peck - Purple Hall on the East wall. Bob Persing - Orange Hall. Fire Hall, Mon. - Thurs. Don Thompson - S-Helper Service (SHS), Orange Hall ** I assume Joe Haenn - Joe's Train Repair, will be set up in the Orange Hall. **

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32500	From: chandos_deborg@yahoo.com	Date: 10/6/2004
Subject: problems/thansk for listening

for those of you in the seattle area.my apologies for haveing to do this bit i dont know waht else to do well folks sorry to hit on anyone and everyone but im in a real bind here, got canned monday for demanding my back pay thats been due and promised for several weeks.none of the help services have any funds to help me out .iv been to l&i unemp and several other places.all these take time i dont have here is the deal i have 2 trucks to sell one is 81 halfton chev pickup with a straigh 6 n automatic in fair shape,,belongs to friends iv been buying it from what i need is 800 bucks..i can throw in the trooper 2 which needs minor work and tlc and or i can throw in some landscame maint since im between work am going for job intv tomorrow already but that still takes time...and im alredy on 3 day notice,its a real mess due to what i used to think was a fair boss.sigh anyway i am reachable by yahoo messenger.chandos_deborg@y... and by phonew answering machiene 425 339 6021 thks fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32501	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: S GAUGERS AT YORK

Tom Seccia of Triple S Supplies has this note about York for those of you who have tried to locate him in the past. Seccia@... wrote: Hi Barbara, You can tell the S Gauge group, that Tom Seccia, Triple "S" Supplies, will be in the Orange Hall in CC isle with the largest selction of American Flyer "S" Gauge parts at the show. We recently made the American Flyer dry transfers and all the lenses for the American Flyer locomotives and accessories. We will have all these at the show. The 1st run of transfers will be available which include all the Steam Loco cab numbers with the correct numbers and letters together. No one has ever produced those. Thank You, Tom >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32502	From: jt12313	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: re-engined Baldwin still will not go:(

Hello All, I checked the connections for the Baldwin motor kit and they're all ok. I even bench tested the motor and it does work. but... When I put it on the track and give the power a nudge... the lamp comes on and gets brighter the more I turn up the transformer. What am I missing? It is wired correctly, I even had someone check that the right wires went to the right terminal. Any possibility of a short or I installed a wheel set backwards... this is not quantum physics but I am a bit perturbed. Any suggestions? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32503	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic

Did this group ever get formed? Am I being left out? I am not sure why this is necessary, like when S-scale separated from the S-list, but if this is what it takes to talk about hurricanes and eBay, and where to eat at York without upsetting the masses, then count me in! I could be a moderator if necessary. So where has this gone so far? Thanks in advance! Chuck PS: On my way to York!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32504	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Track questions

In traveling about the internet, looking at S gauge stuff, I notice alot of layouts that use Gargraves track also use Flyer switches instead of Gargraves. Why is that? Had them on hand, cost, more reliable, special features, like the look? Also I've seen reference to Pikemaster track and All Aboard modules being tighter radius curves than regular Flyer. What radius was used? What is the sharpest radius curve usable with Flyer equipment? Stumpy stone...in the planning stages of my first Flyer layout in MANY years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32505	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: Track questions

Probably AFs are used because they're self contained - no switch machine installation is needed. Also Gargraves needs to be on cork or homosote roadbed to accommodate Flyer height. Flyer switches sit about 1/32" off the table with that combo but work fine. Pikemaster radius is 15" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track questions > > > > In traveling about the internet, looking at S gauge stuff, I notice > alot of layouts that use Gargraves track also use Flyer switches > instead of Gargraves. Why is that? Had them on hand, cost, more > reliable, special features, like the look? > Also I've seen reference to Pikemaster track and All Aboard modules > being tighter radius curves than regular Flyer. What radius was used? > What is the sharpest radius curve usable with Flyer equipment? > Stumpy stone...in the planning stages of my first Flyer layout in > MANY years. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32506	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic

***((((Did this group ever get formed? Am I being left out? I am not sure why this is necessary, like when S-scale separated from the S-list, but if this is what it takes to talk about hurricanes and eBay, and where to eat at York without upsetting the masses, then count me in!)))***** So far,...a WHOPPING 30 members have voted!!!! Doesn't look like a NEW list is gonna happen. http://s-scale.org Seems the "masses" aren't THAT upset. OK,...I've said enough....gonna finish my Fall/Halloween layout today.... also playing hooky from work tonight,.....I'm catching some kinda cold again!!! :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32507	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: problems/thansk for listening

- GreetingS - Fred, no need to apologize for what you knew you could do and had to do. I think you've done right. Members who have lost jobs are as important to us as those who have lost lives. The S-gauge community is generally in good health. The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers joined the Salem Model Engineers organization for a fine show in Salem, VA, on September 25. ACSG members from VA, NC, and SC took part in that activity at the Salem Civic Center. CSG members from the same states are taking part in two weekends of Thomas the Tank Engine activity at Spencer Historic Shops in the former Southern Railway shop facility. The S Gauge layout is up and running with thanks to Gene Sankowski and Pete Hildenbrand. Apart from riding on one of the real trains, this layout is the most interactive one at the show. Pushbuttons galore. About the blue trank engine with white face, no comment other than that the soft coal smoke from its stack is pleasaant and pungent. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32508	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: For those of you who like to sit and play with Trains

I dont know if this has ever been posted befor ...so for any of you who would like to play with Trains ...Go to this wesite download and have some more FUN ...."eh" http://www.trainsimcentral.co.uk/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32509	From: editor	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: 1:64 Brand New in the Box Hartoy AHL including Special Beer Series

Greetings List, It took some doing, but we finally got the listings up for some 1,000+ Hartoy American Hobby Legend (including the Beer Series) & P.E.M. (still working on this group) on our MIVA eCommerce secure web site: http://66.148.2.165/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DEBENLLC&Catego ry_Code=MSMC If this link does not work, please go to our www.DEBENLLC.com web & CLICK on one of the "Main Street Motor Co." links. Much of the vehicles in this listing have been in dry storage since the early 1990s and all are in excellent condition! BTW Current 1:64 Modeling Guide subscribers receive 16.4% off of their order over $64 not including S&H. Just a reminder that if your 1:64MG subscription ID begins with V08I6, this next issue mailing out shortly will be your very last issue that you'll receive on your initial subscription. Debbie & I know that you really appreciate how much your magazine has improved over the past year & we're sure that you don't want to miss a single issue because you forgot to renew during the upcoming very busy holidays--so log onto the www.ModelingGuide.com website (or call 908.304.5545 with card in hand) right now! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever DEBEN LLC P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/927-9347 www.DEBENLLC.com "Publishers of the 1:64 Modeling Guide & the S/Sn3 Products Guide"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32510	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: York---blatant adv.

I know "Mr Crotty" objects to my posting a blatant ad on the list, because he recently informed me of "my perverted practices" by private e-mail, but since no one else has objected to same----- Just a note to remind all that we will be closed after 5 PM EST tomorrow (Saturday), in preparation for, and travel to, York. At York, we will have a booth in PURPLE Hall, with a full array of AF parts, as well as our usual assemblage of S structure kits; American Models, SHS, SSA, TTI engines and rolling stock; can motor kits for AF; books; tools; etc. NEW items we will have available at York: the new SnS track cleaner cars; 2005 Greenberg Pocket Guides; AF steam-engine cab number dry transfers; lucite lenses for all engines and other AF applications; wheel pullers; Pine Canyon Back Alley #1 and #2 kits; SSA composite gondolas; AND our exclusive-run HOOD MILK REEFERS, from SHS! We will also have a SPECIAL on four of John Huster's former exclusive-run cars: the PRR/DF boxcar, the WP "Feather" boxcar, the Burlington Route boxcars, and the L&N boxcars (each of the four cars in two different numbers). We will have these cars available at only $35 each, or any three for $100. Hope to see many of you in PURPLE! Enjoy York! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32511	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: "Emperor of the North"....train movie

I only got to see parts of it today. Lee Marvin and Ernest Borgnine "A railroad guard (E.B.) matches wits and wills with a crafty hobo (L.M.)".....1973. Filmed in the Pacific Northwest I'm guessing. Pretty interesting! I need to see the whole movie. Anyone seen it?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32512	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Blatant advert

I have some AF items up for sale along with some Greenberg books. See them at http://www.richardiii.net/Trains/af4sale.htm Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32513	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Huster cars

Sure....I'll honor it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: keefer1 [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:56 PM To: Doug@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] York---blatant adv. Hey Doug, is the Huster car deal for York goers only, or is it available to us list members? Keith --- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > We will also have a SPECIAL on four of John Huster's > former exclusive-run > cars: the PRR/DF boxcar, the WP "Feather" boxcar, > the Burlington Route > boxcars, and the L&N boxcars (each of the four cars > in two different > numbers). We will have these cars available at only > $35 each, or any three > for $100. > > Hope to see many of you in PURPLE! Enjoy York! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays > & Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST). > Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, > Wednesdays, and Thursdays > only. > Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) > < http://www.portlines.com/> > doug@... > VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: If an affordable(under $350) version of one of the following was available, which would you purchase CHOICES AND RESULTS - EMD SD-40-2, 3 votes, 11.54% - Baldwin RF-16 "Sharknose", 9 votes, 34.62% - GE U-30C, 3 votes, 11.54% - EMD SD-70M, 2 votes, 7.69% - EMD SD-80MAC, 0 votes, 0.00% - EMD SD-90MAC, 1 votes, 3.85% - GE AC4400CW, 1 votes, 3.85% - GE AC6000CW, 0 votes, 0.00% - Fairbanks-Morse "Erie-Built", 7 votes, 26.92% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - EMD SD-40-2 - chandos_deborg@... - tedcalcut@... - sbg04@... - Baldwin RF-16 "Sharknose" - trombonelover1@... - train1876@... - schwartzsj@... - femiro2002@... - waldootten@... - rwmres@... - editor@... - polpolk9@... - ironhorse061252@... - GE U-30C - joestrainrepair@... - ingiwjo@... - snappar@... - EMD SD-70M - balcerfamily@... - lou342ac@... - EMD SD-80MAC - EMD SD-90MAC - amerflyerwanted@... - GE AC4400CW - Cbtrainnut1@... - GE AC6000CW - Fairbanks-Morse "Erie-Built" - clifma19@... - ronnat@... - john.foley16@... - jfred436@... - drmusic244@... - engineer3887@... - atrains@... For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32516	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: "Emperor of the North"....train movie

Hi Rick! Yes, I saw it when it first came out in the theatre back in the early 70's. From what I can remember, it was a GREAT train movie. I heard that the original film was destroyed in a fire, but have seen VHS versions available for sale a couple of years ago......Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "Emperor of the North"....train movie > > I only got to see parts of it today. Lee Marvin and Ernest Borgnine > "A railroad guard (E.B.) matches wits and wills with a crafty hobo (L.M.)".....1973. > Filmed in the Pacific Northwest I'm guessing. > Pretty interesting! I need to see the whole movie. > Anyone seen it?? > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32517	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re;Emperor of the North...train movie

Rick...This is one of my favorite train movies of all time! It was originally titled "Emperor of the North Pole" when released in theaters. It was filmed on the Spokane, Portland, & Seattle in 1972 using locos rented from a well known Northern California logging railroad. The near head on wreck was shot with 1 1/2" scale live steam trains then intercut with full size footage of the real train and actors. Fairly accurate story for the depression era from what I've read of railroading of that time. Have you seen "The Train" with Burt Lancaster, or "Breakheart Pass" with Charles Bronson? They're well done too. Older, less accurate but entertaining are "Danger Lights", "The Silver Streak", and "Phantom Express" from the early days of talking pictures. Stumpy Stone...movie fan in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32518	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: York---blatant adv.

Doug, Don, Ron, whoever - I welcome postings on what is available and where you'll be, especially since info on S is not as widely posted as other scales. Keep 'em coming! See you at York. Dick Aurora, OH At 06:13 PM 10/8/2004, Doug Peck wrote: >I know "Mr Crotty" objects to my posting a blatant ad on the list, because >he recently informed me of "my perverted practices" by private e-mail, but >since no one else has objected to same----- > >Just a note to remind all that we will be closed after 5 PM EST tomorrow >(Saturday), in preparation for, and travel to, York. >At York, we will have a booth in PURPLE Hall, with a full array of AF parts, >as well as our usual assemblage of S structure kits; American Models, SHS, >SSA, TTI engines and rolling stock; can motor kits for AF; books; tools; >etc. >NEW items we will have available at York: the new SnS track cleaner cars; >2005 Greenberg Pocket Guides; AF steam-engine cab number dry transfers; >lucite lenses for all engines and other AF applications; wheel pullers; Pine >Canyon Back Alley #1 and #2 kits; SSA composite gondolas; >AND >our exclusive-run HOOD MILK REEFERS, from SHS! > >We will also have a SPECIAL on four of John Huster's former exclusive-run >cars: the PRR/DF boxcar, the WP "Feather" boxcar, the Burlington Route >boxcars, and the L&N boxcars (each of the four cars in two different >numbers). We will have these cars available at only $35 each, or any three >for $100. > >Hope to see many of you in PURPLE! Enjoy York! > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supplies >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM >(EST). >Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays >only. >Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) >< http://www.portlines.com/> >doug@... >VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32519	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: Re;Emperor of the North...train movie

Dear Stumpy, The Train is by far the best of the lot. Don Stumpy Stone wrote: > >Rick...This is one of my favorite train movies of all time! It was >originally titled "Emperor of the North Pole" when released in >theaters. It was filmed on the Spokane, Portland, & Seattle in 1972 >using locos rented from a well known Northern California logging >railroad. The near head on wreck was shot with 1 1/2" scale live >steam trains then intercut with full size footage of the real train >and actors. > Fairly accurate story for the depression era from what I've read of >railroading of that time. > Have you seen "The Train" with Burt Lancaster, or "Breakheart Pass" >with Charles Bronson? They're well done too. Older, less accurate >but entertaining are "Danger Lights", "The Silver Streak", >and "Phantom Express" from the early days of talking pictures. > Stumpy Stone...movie fan in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32520	From: knockbill	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Train movies

Hi I caught part of "Emporer of the North " yesterday,,, I'll have to see it all next showing... As for other movies, does anyone remember "The Great Locomotive Chase", from the 1950s I believe? One of my classic favorites is "Von Ryans Express" Have fun at York John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32521	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: S Scale in Model Railroading Publications

Hello all - two items of interest for S scale in recent model railroading publications. In the November 2004 Model Railroader beginning on p. 68 is an article on the newest GE and GM locomotives with an insert diagram of each. The diagram is drawn in S scale! In Roy Hoffman's "S-Curves" column in the October Model Railroad News (p. 47), he does a nice job of distinguishing between "scale", "hi-rail" and American Flyer". I think Roy points the way to the future in which we'll rely less and less on labels like these and more and more on technical specifications like - as Roy notes - track, couplers and wheel flangers. This helps to demystify the S scale market and thus encourage newcomers (who weren't born when AF was being manufactured). It also encourages development of products that can be interchanged and used by all. Regards. Paul S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32522	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: S Gauge Herald

I have a collection of about 72 issues of the "S Gauge Heralds from 1967 through 1978. The Heralds are basically in black & white, but covers have some great train sketches. Would consider offers on the entire lot, or suggestions on how they could be displayed. Trades for A.F. stock would also be considered. Thanks. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32523	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: Train Movies

Should you ever get the chance to see classic 1925 silent movie "The General" starring Buster Keaton, well worth watching if your in the mood for humor... Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32524	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: haloween fun!

hi-I have been asked about the Lionel "Lenny" halloWeen mask by a prospective buyer. The train operator feels caught between the tracks while operating his Flyer Layout and wearing the Lionel mask ,also !! at the controls.As the mask was a 'sale promotion item of Lionel's back in 1956---it's presence was to offset our popular American Flyer trains of fun thru the fall and winter peak months futures . Well- what do you guys regard is proper thing for the American Flyer engineer to do? wear or dont wear the LIONEL's Lenny face mask??-on halloween!! THAT IS THEE QUESTION--

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32525	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: WOW ITS A 336

SOMEWHERE along the A.F. train wire the doubts of any train enthusiast findig a A.F. 336 NORTHREN 'mt' black die cast shell in tip top condition was quite remote to happen. BUT LOOK HERE --EVERY ONE IS IN LUCK--heres the one in a million sure thing!! --FOR SALE NOW- ITS THE BLACK DIE CAST all original 336 shell!!!. SHE'S A ALLGENUINE ORIGINAL a.c. GLIBERT 336 NORTHREN empty shell in tip top condition. on her is the following: the BELL; THE NUMBERBOARDS;THE WHISTLe ;THE LITE LENS;THE COMPLETE WIRED LITE SOCKET WITH BULB;the handrails;and all the white scripts; lines and white inside the smoke stack. her condition is simpy trriffic for her age---no breaks ;stress or age signs ;no damage or dents or paint chips or wear to the paint--she's a beauty. the best offer over $284.USD will put her in your lap. thanks Jay the best time to call is around 5PM est.. thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32526	From: polpolk9	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: what time is it?

has anyone experienced the COLLECTOR AUCTION 'S TIMER ON THE BIDS IS NOT SHOWN ---ITS BLNK SPACES? IS IT OUT OF ORDER OR JUST TERMINATED BY stout'S AUCTIONEERS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32527	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32528	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies

Hi John Another great old time railroad movie is "Danger Lights". It was produce in the thirties. John At 14:23 10/9/2004, knockbill wrote: >Hi >I caught part of "Emporer of the North " yesterday,,, I'll have to >see it all next showing... >As for other movies, does anyone remember "The Great Locomotive >Chase", from the 1950s I believe? One of my classic favorites >is "Von Ryans Express" >Have fun at York >John > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32529	From: waldootten	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: Turnout targets

I have some American Models handthrow turnouts with the Caboose Industries throws (they are HO, as installed/sold by AM). Anyone know who makes a working target that can be added to these? Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32530	From: Paul	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: S-Trains list administration

I am looking for a few good folks to assist with the administration of this list. I spend less than 20 minutes every day, but sometimes I am unable to access the net, or break away from my consulting business. I am looking for people that can help members navigate the Yahoo site, approve or disaprove pending messages, approve new list subscribers, work well with other moderators, and answer list members questions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32531	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/11/2004
Subject: Re: Swithc targets

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:16:51 -0000 > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > Subject: Turnout targets > > I have some American Models handthrow turnouts with the Caboose > Industries throws (they are HO, as installed/sold by AM). > > Anyone know who makes a working target that can be added to these? Phil -- Caboose Indistries also makes ground throws with targets. Try their #210S, which should be a direct replacement for the one on your AM turnout. There's a picture at this website: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/internettrains/cabindgrount2.html Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32532	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: What I did on my weekend

Hi all, We went on the next-to-the-last run of steam engine 18 on the McCloud, and maybe the last runs of a passenger train to Burney this weekend. I've posted some photos on my album at Paul's site-- http://s-scale.org/albums/albup05 It's not York but it is trains! BTW, I got to ride in the cab and blow for a crossing, I can now claim to have ridden in 3 of the surviving McCloud steamers, 18, 19, and 25. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32533	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: Ross Custom Switches in "S" Gauge!

Ross Custom Switches has announced on the OGR Forum that they are introducing "S" Gauge Switches to their line! Quote form the post... For years people have been encouraging us to come out with S gauge turnouts. Well the time has come! At York we will have the prototypes (and even some to sell) for our new #4 S gauge turnout. This switch features a smooth non binding "swivel point" design. Where the entire middle of the turnout pivots. This allows the use of BOTH scale AND tinplate flanges. When used in the yard in a ladder type configuration, the tracks come out on 3" center to center spacing. For more information and the complete post with comments visit the OGR at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=828107854 1 More Cool Stuff! Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32534	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: New track cleaning car by "S-'n-S"

A reminder to all that our newest product is now available in two formats and several configurations. The track cleaning car uses a large motor that has a revolving disk with Scotch Brite pad attached. The disk floats up and down to always stay in constant contact with the track at an even pressure. There are three options on the car to be used. One is on a new SHS flat car. One is on a used Gilbert or Lionel Flyer gondola supplied by us. (we have a limited amount of these) The last option is for you to provide us with a gondola of your choice and we install the mechanisms. If you use the gondola car it is really neat to put a couple of canisters in there and it looks like a regular load. They are supplied with Flyer compatible couplers and wheels, or scale couplers and wheels, or any combination of the two. The price is the same for any choice of wheels/couplers. The pricing is as follows: New SHS flat car, any configuration....................$120 Our used Gilbert/Flyonel gondola........................$100 Your Gilbert/Flyonel gondola...............................$90 Port Lines Hobby will have some of these cars at York. Look for them in the Purple Hall. Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32535	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: Re: SHS more blatant.......

The container arrived today and we are now shipping out the new reefers (as well as more#00477 unlettered yellow side/ f.c. red roof and end reefer). We are down to the last few of the Silver Edge beer, Columbia Soup and Niblet Corn reefers from last fall. You can find images of the latest reefers as well as the others in stock at: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32536	From: Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/12/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

847 UTLX 55' 25,980 gal tank car 8-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/847.gif 848 PROX 65' tank car 11-02 http://mopac1.tripod.com/848.gif 849 KO&G cabbose 1950+ http://mopac1.tripod.com/849.gif 850 KCS 50' boxcar 9-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/850.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32537	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?

Dear Denny: I know it is a while since you posted your problem. Since no one seems to have answered one of your questions, let me try. You say the Milk Car does not push the cans all the way out and works only when there is a loco on the tracks? It sounds to me that the truck without the third rail shoe has its power wheelsets reversed. In other words, the metal wheels are on the wrong rail. Pop them out and reverse them and I am sure your milk cans will fly out. Technical and why: Electricity goes in a circle. It must get back to the transformer. The transformer's fixed post goes to the third rail (via a pushbutton). The power goes into the car via the third rail shoe. The power exits the car via the rails. However the rail they are exiting on is not connected to the base post: it is connected to the variable post. (The other rail is attached to the base post.) You have found that it works best when the speed controller is at 'off'. Putting a locomotive on the tracks bridges the two rails with the locomotive's motor doing the bridge. (If you hold the pushbutton down, the locomotive might even move, very slowly.) Recap: Power from the fixed post goes into the Milk Car via the third rail. This exits to rail 1. The power enters the locomotive via rail 1. It exits the locomotive via rail 2. Rail 2 is tied to the base post. The solution is to make sure the Milk Car's rail is attached to the base post. Either swap the wheelsets in the rail truck or swap the wires to the rails. I made the following discovery while in Junior High School. I attached a lamp from the fixed post to the base post. I attached a second lamp from the variable post to the base post. Then I removed the wires to the base post so the two lamps were together. ('fixed post' - lamp - lamp - 'variable post'.) Moving the handle had weird actions: they got dimmer as the 'speed' went up. Mystified, I called it 'negative power'. None of my teachers could explain my 'negative power'. Now I know I was just using the top tap of the transformer (fixed post) and the variable tap (variable post) rather than the normal combinations of variable tap to lower tap (base post) and top tap to lower tap. Is this clear? Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:59:50 -0000 From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> Subject: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.? I have (yet) another question, this time about milk cars. I purchased one a few weeks back, and while I can get the door to open, I cannot get enough power to have the guy push the cans all the way out (he wont leave his inside spot. I also noticed that I need an engine on the track for the car to work at all (strange). I am pretty sure I have the wheels on the base track and all that, since the car does open the door and light up. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong, and how I can get that guy to push? thanks again Denny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32538	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby on Tour

Hi Folks The NASG is planning on having information and the switching layout at the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour's first show in Edison, NJ. http://www.wghshow.com/ in December. Manufactures if you can't make it please send me literature and if you can samples. We plan on doing an S clinic describing what's available and where to buy it. S scalers if you come by bring something to display. Photos of your layouts would work also. So far SHS & BTS will be their I am sure others are planning on to attend. The WGH folks have 3 other shows planned, St Louis in Jan., Long Beach, Ca. in Feb and Denver in Feb. We have plans in the works to also attend them. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32539	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies

Hi Greg The movie is called People Will Talk. John At 18:45 10/13/2004, Gregory Klein wrote: >I have been looking for an old b&w movie that I >believe starred Gary Grant, as a professor, that was >operating toy trains (Lionel - sorry guys) with his >fiance or girlfriend's father. The operation was on >the apartment floor and involved several rooms and >whistles and hoots to avoid collisions. Needless to >say, they had a major accident and began arguing over >who hooted last with what signals. Does anyone >remember this one??? My brother remembers the story, >but not the title. > >They are a lot of good movies out there. > >Greg Klein >Lovettsville, VA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32540	From: fiantoni	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Can someone provide description of track types?

Last year I built my 5 year old son his first American Flyer layout for Christmas with his Grandad's trains. We are ready to graduate from this small holiday layout to something a little more substantial in the garage. I have been pondering what to do for track. I have seen the Gargraves track and that looks like a good option as I believe that we can run vintage AF equipment and also connect with the original AF switches and accessory tracks. Does anyone know of a primer that expalains the advantages and disadvantages of the various after market track available on the market. I assume all of these would run a little better than the well worn vintage AF track I am currently using. Any advice would be appreciated. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32541	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies

Hi John and John, Another great train movie is "The Train" with Burt Lancaster. Setting is France at the end of WWII and the Germans are trying to move a train loaded with famous painting out of Paris. It was done in b&w in 1964. The Great Locomotive Chase was a Disney movie with Fess Parker and Jeffrey Hunter, done in 1956. I have both on VHS. They may be available on DVD now. I have not heard of "Danger Lights." Will need to check it out. I have been looking for an old b&w movie that I believe starred Gary Grant, as a professor, that was operating toy trains (Lionel - sorry guys) with his fiance or girlfriend's father. The operation was on the apartment floor and involved several rooms and whistles and hoots to avoid collisions. Needless to say, they had a major accident and began arguing over who hooted last with what signals. Does anyone remember this one??? My brother remembers the story, but not the title. They are a lot of good movies out there. Greg Klein Lovettsville, VA --- John A Foley <john.foley16@...> wrote: > > Hi John > Another great old time railroad movie is > "Danger Lights". It was > produce in the thirties. > John > > > > At 14:23 10/9/2004, knockbill wrote: > > > >Hi > >I caught part of "Emporer of the North " > yesterday,,, I'll have to > >see it all next showing... > >As for other movies, does anyone remember "The > Great Locomotive > >Chase", from the 1950s I believe? One of my > classic favorites > >is "Von Ryans Express" > >Have fun at York > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32542	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/13/2004
Subject: Last SHS Internet Special of this series

I just posted the new SHS Internet Special. This one is a Wabash PS-2 three bay covered hopper, again at 25% off, $29.95. This time, the 7th order will win a free SHS $39.95 car of your choice! This will be the last Internet Special of this series. It will last until Saturday evening, and is only available from the SHS website. It's at the same place: http://www.showcaseline.com/is.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32543	From: Paul	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Track and Switches

Here are acouple track related pages. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/track/gargraves.html http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/track/track.html http://s-scale.org/albums/album33 http://s-scale.org/albums/albun30 If I was starting on a layout today, I would use S-Helper flex. As for switches?, that is the tougher question. The AM flex is also very popular. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32544	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?

Dear John: I attended ONE course in high school. I knew more then than the instructor. I have read many, many books on the subject of GENERAL electricity. I love to trace wires. I am not an electrical engineer nor an electrician. (Some on this list are.) I'm just a computer programmer who likes to tinker and learned enough to build his own computers. I purchased the monitors but I built the rest: keyboard, motherboard, video driver, etc. I built four working computers. (If I applied power they would still run today.) But, being my own design, they only ran the software I wrote. Today I purchase my computers. They come with software, warranty, and someone other than me gets to fix it when it breaks. I want my free time for trains. Thorin _____ From: john crotty [mailto:polpolk9@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:43 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.? marty, how far did u go in electricity pn school/? "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: Dear Denny: I know it is a while since you posted your problem. Since no one seems to have answered one of your questions, let me try. You say the Milk Car does not push the cans all the way out and works only when there is a loco on the tracks? It sounds to me that the truck without the third rail shoe has its power wheelsets reversed. In other words, the metal wheels are on the wrong rail. Pop them out and reverse them and I am sure your milk cans will fly out. Technical and why: Electricity goes in a circle. It must get back to the transformer. The transformer's fixed post goes to the third rail (via a pushbutton). The power goes into the car via the third rail shoe. The power exits the car via the rails. However the rail they are exiting on is not connected to the base post: it is connected to the variable post. (The other rail is attached to the base post.) You have found that it works best when the speed controller is at 'off'. Putting a locomotive on the tracks bridges the two rails with the locomotive's motor doing the bridge. (If you hold the pushbutton down, the locomotive might even move, very slowly.) Recap: Power from the fixed post goes into the Milk Car via the third rail. This exits to rail 1. The power enters the locomotive via rail 1. It exits the locomotive via rail 2. Rail 2 is tied to the base post. The solution is to make sure the Milk Car's rail is attached to the base post. Either swap the wheelsets in the rail truck or swap the wires to the rails. I made the following discovery while in Junior High School. I attached a lamp from the fixed post to the base post. I attached a second lamp from the variable post to the base post. Then I removed the wires to the base post so the two lamps were together. ('fixed post' - lamp - lamp - 'variable post'.) Moving the handle had weird actions: they got dimmer as the 'speed' went up. Mystified, I called it 'negative power'. None of my teachers could explain my 'negative power'. Now I know I was just using the top tap of the transformer (fixed post) and the variable tap (variable post) rather than the normal combinations of variable tap to lower tap (base post) and top tap to lower tap. Is this clear? Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:59:50 -0000 From: "wintermutedm" Subject: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.? I have (yet) another question, this time about milk cars. I purchased one a few weeks back, and while I can get the door to open, I cannot get enough power to have the guy push the cans all the way out (he wont leave his inside spot. I also noticed that I need an engine on the track for the car to work at all (strange). I am pretty sure I have the wheels on the base track and all that, since the car does open the door and light up. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong, and how I can get that guy to push? thanks again Denny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32545	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: York October Badges

Hi everybody: Updated S-List Badges for York can be found at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/S-list.htm Thanx, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32546	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.?

Dear Denny, You are welcome. This used to be an issue on my layout. Then I went to DC and things got far more complicated fast. Especially with the stock car with its vibrating mat. (It has to have AC.) For the normal cars I have a special 'team track' in my industrial park. BOTH rails are insulated from the rest of the railroad. I connect the base post to BOTH rails and I connect the fixed post to the third rail. The pushbutton I use interrupts both wires so I don't have any shorts while rolling a car onto this section. (Briefly the power truck spans both sides of the gap.) For the stockyard I have done something a little different. I have cut only one rail here: the one closest to the stockyard as the stock car's pickup wheels are on that side. Again I used the double-pushbutton to isolate the section when not in use. Another solution I have used is to use a second transformer to run ONE rail and the third rail only. The pushbutton then only needs to interrupt the third rail. This third rail can be on the main line (for, say, the operating mail baggage car). A friend's nieces and nephews love loading a CB&Q side-dump car with horses and then dumping them at speed. They find this hilarious. Happy unloading, Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Denny Merritt [mailto:dmerritt@...] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:13 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.? This is excellent...thank you. It perfectly explains why the car is working the way it is working. I am going to try switching wheels tonight. I'll let you know how it works. Thanks again! I am always amazed at how much knowledge there is out there! -Denny --- "Marty.Thorin" <Thorin.Marty@...> wrote: > Dear Denny: > I know it is a while since you posted your problem. > Since no one > seems to have answered one of your questions, let me try. > > You say the Milk Car does not push the cans all the way out and works > only when there is a loco on the tracks? It sounds to me that the > truck without the third rail shoe has its power wheelsets reversed. > In other words, the metal wheels are on the wrong rail. > Pop them out and reverse them and I am sure your milk cans will fly > out. > > Technical and why: > Electricity goes in a circle. It must get back to the transformer. > The transformer's fixed post goes to the third rail (via a > pushbutton). The power goes into the car via the third rail shoe. > The power exits the car > via the rails. However the rail they are exiting on is not connected > to the base post: it is connected to the variable post. > (The other rail is > attached to the base post.) You have found that it works best when > the speed controller is at 'off'. Putting a locomotive on the tracks > bridges the two rails with the locomotive's motor doing the bridge. > (If you hold the pushbutton down, the locomotive might even move, very > slowly.) > Recap: Power from the fixed post goes into the Milk Car via the third > rail. This exits to rail 1. The power enters the locomotive via rail > 1. It exits the locomotive via rail 2. Rail 2 is tied to the base > post. > The solution is to make sure the Milk Car's rail is attached to the > base post. Either swap the wheelsets in the rail truck or swap the > wires to the rails. > > I made the following discovery while in Junior High School. I > attached a lamp from the fixed post to the base post. I attached a > second lamp from the variable post to the base post. Then I removed > the wires to the base post so the two lamps were together. ('fixed > post' > - lamp - lamp - > 'variable post'.) Moving the handle had weird > actions: they got dimmer as > the 'speed' went up. Mystified, I called it 'negative power'. None > of my teachers could explain my 'negative power'. > Now I know I was just using the top tap of the transformer (fixed > post) and the variable tap (variable post) rather than the normal > combinations of variable tap to lower tap (base > post) and top tap to lower > tap. > > Is this clear? > Thorin > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:59:50 -0000 > From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> > Subject: While I am at it: getting power to Milk Cars.? > > I have (yet) another question, this time about milk cars. > > I purchased one a few weeks back, and while I can get the door to > open, I cannot get enough power to have the guy push the cans all the > way out (he wont leave his inside spot. I also noticed that I need an > engine on the track for the car to work at all (strange). I am pretty > sure I have the wheels on the base track and all that, since the car > does open the door and light up. > > Any ideas on what I am doing wrong, and how I can get that guy to > push? > > thanks again > > Denny > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32547	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Interesting Train Movie - Other Men's Wives - Anyone else seen it?

Once saw this movie on Turner Classic Movies while home sick. It's a gritty 1931 depression era picture with lots of moving train action scenes. At the end of the movie there's a scene in which a model train is used to take down a bridge to prevent a flood from destroying a town. A young James Cagney has a supporting role and dances in the movie. Has anyone else seen this movie? Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32548	From: David Engle	Date: 10/14/2004
Subject: Re: Interesting Train Movie - Other Men's Wives - Anyone else seen

How about "John Goldfarb Please Come Home"? Nothing like an adult-sized riding a tricycle and running over gold plated toy trains. Geesh.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32549	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Track Types

I can comment from my experience only. I use Gargraves on a roadbed and AF switches. The advantage is new clean track, fewer joints, more realistic ties. You can also bend the track for gentler curves. The downside is the required customization which including: building jigs for track bending; more planning for initial track design; custom wire attachments for power; problems with accessories that require a track trip or a contact rail such as dump cars and certain accessories such as cattle yards. You could mix in AF track in those sections but then there is little point to Gargraves. I have yet to design a custom track trip for Gargraves. For sake of simplicity stick to clean, good condition AF track; rust and poor contacts only cause serious problems. That's my experience. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada ---------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:03:49 -0000 From: "fiantoni" <Frank.I.Antonides@...> Subject: Can someone provide description of track types? Last year I built my 5 year old son his first American Flyer layout for Christmas with his Grandad's trains. We are ready to graduate from this small holiday layout to something a little more substantial in the garage. I have been pondering what to do for track. I have seen the Gargraves track and that looks like a good option as I believe that we can run vintage AF equipment and also connect with the original AF switches and accessory tracks. Does anyone know of a primer that expalains the advantages and disadvantages of the various after market track available on the market. I assume all of these would run a little better than the well worn vintage AF track I am currently using. Any advice would be appreciated. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - 29th Annual Fall S-Fest

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. 29th Annual Fall S-Fest Date: Friday, October 29, 2004 Time: 2:00PM - 10:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Fall S-Fest at Waukesha County Arena, Waukesha, Wis October 29-31. Hosted by Badgerland S Gaugers. Vist our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32551	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Flyer loco questions

Okay y'all...I'm starting to scout around for some Flyer steam locos. My heart says Challenger and Hudson, but my wallet says Atlantic and CNW style Pacfic (with smoke & choo-choo of course.) My local hobby shop says I should stay away from Smoke in Tender, link couplers, sheet metal tenders, and expect to replace the AF e- unit with an electronic one. They also suggest a can motor conversion. So what do you think? Stumpy Stone...right across the river from Wheeling, WV.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32553	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Flyer Loco questions

I think the e-unit problems are highly exaggerated. I have one loco a 322 SIT that 'travels' through the sequence though not so much when I'm using DC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32554	From: John G	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions

I'd recommend you get a die cast metal steamer. The extra weight of the metal makes them pull better and go through switches better than the plastic steamers. If money is a concern, consider some of the earlier Atlantics that were die cast. I have one and it pulls as well as the Hudson. I would not be concerned if the tender were made of sheet metal or plastic. You can always put extra weight in the tender to make it track better. See this link for which locos were plastic versus die cast: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.html Also, when you buy a new engine, don't be too concerned if needs some tweaking or repair - this is part of the fun of the Hobby. There are many firms that sell repair parts for Flyer. This site has links to them. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32555	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/15/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions

The can motor with electronic e unit is a great combination to bring a non-collectable Flyer engine up to max. performance. I have can motors in a couple of steamers, one with electronic reverse and one I run on DC with polarity reversing. If you carefully save the old parts you can restore the loco to collectable condition if desired. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer loco questions > > > > Okay y'all...I'm starting to scout around for some Flyer steam > locos. My heart says Challenger and Hudson, but my wallet says > Atlantic and CNW style Pacfic (with smoke & choo-choo of course.) > My local hobby shop says I should stay away from Smoke in Tender, > link couplers, sheet metal tenders, and expect to replace the AF e- > unit with an electronic one. They also suggest a can motor > conversion. > So what do you think? > Stumpy Stone...right across the river from Wheeling, WV. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32556	From: trzp1800	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: Train movies

Hi All: Here's a thread from another site with references to a bunch of movies with trains in them. http://www.the-gauge.com/showthread.php?t=6462&highlight=movies Have to agree that "The Train" is one of the best. Think I've probably listed this before but a good one to watch with your "pubescent" age kids, especially girls, is Disney's "The Journey of Natty Gann". Basically a depression era girl "rides the rails" from Chicago to rejoin her father at a Washington state logging camp. Meredith Salenger, Lainie Kazan, John Cusack, Scatman Crothers and Ray Wise star in it and you'll probably recognize a few others. Hmmm, may have to go to Blockbuster today .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32557	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer loco questions

In a message dated 10/15/2004 8:33:06 PM Central Daylight Time, NotColdEnough@... writes: I'd recommend you get a die cast metal steamer. The extra weight of the metal makes them pull better and go through switches better than the plastic steamers. If money is a concern, consider some of the earlier Atlantics that were die cast. I have one and it pulls as well as the Hudson. I would not be concerned if the tender were made of sheet metal or plastic. You can always put extra weight in the tender to make it track better. See this link for which locos were plastic versus die cast: Funny but my experience has been just the opposite. My plastic AF steamers seem to go through the AF switches much more reliably than the metal ones. I have always thought it was because there was less weight and the impact of the drivers hitting the frog was less. My comparison is primarily between hudsons and the 283 plastic pacifics. It would be unfair to compare the longer northers with the smaller locos based on weight differences. My solution to reduce derailment problems with all steamers has been to discontinue use of my AF switches altogether. - Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32558	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Stumpy's Flyer Loco Questions

Hi Stumpy, Welcome aboard. First, I'd watch out for advice from that hobby shop! :-) Link couplers, Knuckle couplers, depends on your likes/dislikes. The KC's, I think, are easier to adjust and make reliable--but that's probably because of plastic shrinkage on the LCs. Reverse units can be made to be quite reliable, although the electronic ones are nice too. Sheet metal tenders vs plastic/die cast is probably more a thought on pullmore vs non-pullmore locos. If you are going to be pulling up grades and long trains, the pullmore has a definate advantage. On the non-pullmore locos, the die cast weight helps a lot on pulling power. I have to admit that I think the Hudson is the most balanced loco ACG made, when I used to run displays for three days straight, they were the locos that gave me the fewest problems. This was a layout built on plywood tables with ACG track laid over sheets (snow scenery, eh?) so was a good test of reliability. ACG switches are not a problem, if handled properly, cared for, and installed correctly (lots of little tricks on the "installed correctly"--I don't have time right now, gotta go put some goop on my roof before the rain comes tomorrow--the weatherman promises!). HAVE FUN!! Run 'em if ya got 'em!! Ask more questions, too! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32559	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: AC or DC power question

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my Loco Questions! Those who have responded seem equally split between using the regular Flyer motors and e-units or can motors and electronic e-units! Lots of good answers and food for thought. In fact some of y'all mentioned running on DC current. I thought American Flyer was AC. What is the advantage of going to DC power? Does it cause problems for e-units or damage anything? Would this work equally well for Flyer or can motors? How about accessories and operating car activation? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I feel the dumbest question is the one that isn't asked! So far this group has been much more helpful than the local hobby shop. Stumpy Stone...trying to shorten my learning curve in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32560	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: AC or DC power question

See comments below: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC or DC power question > > > > Thanks to everyone who has responded to my Loco Questions! Those who > have responded seem equally split between using the regular Flyer > motors and e-units or can motors and electronic e-units! Lots of good > answers and food for thought. In fact some of y'all mentioned > running on DC current. I thought American Flyer was AC. Most Flyer is AD/DC (series wound) motors. A tiny fraction of permanent magnet DC motors were produced in the early years. > What is the advantage of going to DC power? Does it cause problems > for e-units or damage anything? Would this work equally well for > Flyer or can motors? How about accessories and operating car > activation? DC enables polarity revdersing which is infinitely more reliable than an e unit. However, the field or armature of a series wound motor must be rewired to include a full wave rectifier to enable polarity reverse. A DC motor with a magnet instead of a field winding, and this includes can motors, will reverse with a polarity change. Polarity change is esy with a DPDT switch in the power supply output. E units will work but tend to act "stickier" on DC. Most operating accessories can stay on AC power so you will have no problems with them. For example, the oil drum loader MUST have AC for the motor. Use a separate AC output for the accessories. Operating cars can work with the 15-18V AC lead to the third rail and base from a dedicated transformer to the base rail while a separate DC supply is powering the two rail track running rails. Action cars such as the walking brakeman that need a 60hz. vibration to work won't operate on DC. Ditto for the cattle pen. For a diagram of the changes necessary to make a series wound motor into a DC polarity reversing motor are found at this link: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm <Sorry to ask so many questions, but I feel the dumbest question is > the one that isn't asked! So far this group has been much more > helpful than the local hobby shop. > Stumpy Stone...trying to shorten my learning curve in Martins Ferry, > OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32561	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Coaling Facilities

I placed a photo of my Plasticville coaling station in the S-Trains photos at this link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst under "plasticville" I put it in the s-trains section rather than s-scale because the equipment shown is all hirail or Flyer. I cut the legs down to fit it to S use. It represents a wooden structure with a steel base. Some weathering and a little more detail would make it better for scale use. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Karnes" <karnesrn@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Coaling Facilities > > skipmersereau wrote: > > > Is there an S scale kit for a small yard coaling facility? I haven't > > found one on-line and seem to recall that Lehigh Model's facility > > was the large, concrete style. Sooooo, is this another scratchbuild? > > Skip and others -- > > Lehigh Valley Models also had a small wood coaling tower that has a 3-1/2" x 7" foorprint. Its model number was LVM3. LVM's new > owner, K&P Brick & Building Co., should be able to sell you a kit. > > K&P Brick & Building Co. / Phil Kehr > 308 Indian Rock Dam Rd. > York, Pa. 17403 > (717) 747-0493 > > Email: kpbrick@... > > Dick Karnes > > > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32562	From: keefer1	Date: 10/16/2004
Subject: ebay related spam (or scam)

I recieved several emails over the last 3 days from 3 different addresses requesting info about shipping one of my ebay items to Germany.(the same item)Oddly enough my brother in Pa. got 2 today also.(he doesn't sell on ebay)When he typed the name of the sender I checked the ones I got ,two from the same guy. Mr. I D Hundt ... Be very careful with these emails, I believe they may carry some spyware. My brothers anti -virus caught ,my system went down. Keith _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32563	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32564	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: BACK......

Left Harrisburg at 7:00 jax at 11:00.Sat night.. Really enjoyed the Museum Exhibits... Since most prices were so very high, I assumed they were displaying their collections.... 700+ for a C of G car!!!.. 300 guide price for a set.... 550??... Still we all found some things as they will report on.... But the best part of all was the meetings we had at the local Restaurants.... Where the S group and chatters got together.... It still took me 2 days to walk every isle in every building on Fri and Sat.... And the weather was good... all outside meets open...... Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32565	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: Ross Custom Switches in "S" Gauge!

They were there and they are smooth!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ross Custom Switches in "S" Gauge! > > Ross Custom Switches has announced on the OGR Forum that they are > introducing "S" Gauge Switches to their line! > > Quote form the post... > For years people have been encouraging us to come out with S gauge turnouts. > Well the time has come! At York we will have the prototypes (and even some > to sell) for our new #4 S gauge turnout. This switch features a smooth non > binding "swivel point" design. Where the entire middle of the turnout > pivots. This allows the use of BOTH scale AND tinplate flanges. When used in > the yard in a ladder type configuration, the tracks come out on 3" center to > center spacing. > For more information and the complete post with comments visit the OGR at: > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=828107854 > 1 > > More Cool Stuff! > > Carl > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32566	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/17/2004
Subject: Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic

Don't forget NEW YEARS EVE..... I will toast that!!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Proposed new S List for off topic notes - Off Topic > > ***((((Did this group ever get formed? Am I being left out? > I am not sure why this is necessary, like when S-scale separated from > the S-list, but if this is what it takes to talk about hurricanes and > eBay, and where to eat at York without upsetting the masses, then > count me in!)))***** > > So far,...a WHOPPING 30 members have voted!!!! > Doesn't look like a NEW list is gonna happen. > http://s-scale.org > Seems the "masses" aren't THAT upset. > > OK,...I've said enough....gonna finish my Fall/Halloween layout today.... > also playing hooky from work tonight,.....I'm catching some kinda cold > again!!! :^( > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32567	From: roy inman	Date: 10/18/2004
Subject: Plasticville coaling station

I blush to confess that I inadvertently deleted the email telling when the Plasticville coaling tower conversion ran in Classic Toy Trains. Could the person who posted that information please post again or send it to me offline? Mia culpa, and I won't let it happen again, I promise. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32568	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] St Louis Train Station

Dear Joe, We saw a few new things. I did not get very far from the Orange hall. For me the best news was 20 new S scale figures from Arttista. I did see Terry Putt and he has started to deliver assembled steam engines. We delivered the Hood Milk cars to Doug Peck (Port Lines). For ourselves, we had our 5' X 9' display layout and was operating an ore train on the outer loop and three SW-9s with sound pulling a 30+ car mixed freight on the center folded dogbone. We also had some of the new parts we had just received for the 2-8-0. We expect the next round of engineering samples for the 2-8-0 in early November. Also, we too had the 4 new reefers for sale. As usual, rumors abound at York. With the recent dismissal of almost two dozen top Lionel employees, everyone wondered what the impact would be on the AF Line. We did hear that Todd Wagner, the project manager for much of their stuff (including the AF Mike) and a big supporter of AF was one of the unlucky ones. Next big S show in 10 days is the S Fest in WI. Don Joseph Haughney wrote: >By the way anything interesting, new or whatever that came out of the big >meet in Pa. Dutch country last weekend (York)??? > >Regards, >Joe Haughney >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32569	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] St Louis Train Station

In a message dated 10/19/2004 6:53:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes: As usual, rumors abound at York. With the recent dismissal of almost two dozen top Lionel employees, everyone wondered what the impact would be on the AF Line. We did hear that Todd Wagner, the project manager for much of their stuff (including the AF Mike) and a big supporter of AF was one of the unlucky ones. Actually, the number is 20. Unfortunately, Todd Wagner was let go. However, Dana Kawala (who is a super design guy) is now responsible for the trains portion of the American Flyer line. Advance samples of the B&O Mikado set and the NYC version were on display and are super pieces. The B&O set is really pretty, by the way. They are still due to be made and delivered in the next few months, bottlenecks in China not withstanding. An early sample of the B&O version of the Docksider with smoke and choo-choo, and a new chassis and can motor fitted was also on display and should please the traditionalists. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32570	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Brick Paper

Does anyone know of a source for paper or card stock printed with bricks or stone? I want to build a large loop looking like a viaduct. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32571	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York and Lionel

Lionel put on a really mediocre show at York. They had lots of space, but very little to show. They did have the AF B&O passenger set and a separate loco and just a few other AF items. They did not even have many Lionel items. K-Line put them to shame with a huge display including large fake stone arches simulating a railroad overpass. I did not even waste my time at MTH. The S-Helper Service display was beautiful and remained quite busy during the show. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32572	From: waldootten	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Deep discounting -- get 'em while they're hot

Just got my latest copy of the excellent catalogue from "Train Repair Parts" [a.k.a. Hobby Surplus]. It can be a great resource for hard-to-find items for AF afficionados. However, I couldn't help but notice on page 17 [top right] they have slashed the price on the "extremely rare" Bethlehem Steel Gondola 24125DG-R from $90.00 all the way down to $89.99. The line forms to the left. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32573	From: waldootten	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: SHS display photo

Since it has come up in conversations, for those who have never seen the SHS travelin' display layout, I've uploaded a photo taken at the recent July NASG Convention in Chicago. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32574	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: MTH

Why not visit MTH they make there stuff in China too! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32575	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York Trip Report

Hi All, I don't know what it is with my train purchases and the security check line at the Philadelphia airport, but it happened again. It was a virtual repeat of the incident in April on the return trip from York. Every bag was searched and the security guard checked out all 32 S figures I purchased - each in its own little plastic bag. His favorite was the Dalmatian with its leg lifted on a fire hydrant. I bought it from Doug Peck in the Purple Hall. If you don't have one, you might check it out. The guy was also dumbfounded as to why I would purchase an empty box!!! I got an original box for a 984 (I'm trying to collect boxes for the full series of 980s). I made it through the line with 2 minutes till take-off of my flight. Fortunately my gate was just a few yards down the concourse. To say the least I was out of breath and stressed. Upon my arrival at the gate, I fully expected the ramp to be closed and the seats to be empty. To my surprise (and a bit of relief, I must admit), I found the flight delayed by 1 1/2 hours. The delay was caused by the necessity to do PM and replace three tires. But all is well that ends well as they say. In addition to the items mentioned above, I purchased my first set with a 290, 3 cars, lots of track and a few other amenities. The price was too good to turn down. I ordered a refinery from Stan's Tanks. Goodness Stan does nice work. He convinced me to populate the refinery with mostly Mobilgas tanks since they are much more colorful than the gray Gulf tanks. So, since I only have one Mobilgas tank car, I set out to find a few more. I found 2 within the last couple hours of Saturday. Consequently, I felt the prices were reasonable. I bought lots of "junk" for my layout including barrels, crates, etc. and purchased some tools that I think will be helpful. I also purchased bumpers for the S-Helper flex track under my trolley. But the big find for me was a smokestack to place behind my roundhouse. These smokestacks are made in a modular fashion so you can make it as tall as you desire by purchasing the number of stack shafts to get you the desired height as well as a top and base. The brick work on it is great looking. I also ordered 2 signs from Miller Engineering: one for the diner and one for the motels. They were shipped today. These are animated neon signs and of very high quality. If you have never seen them, check them out at www.microstru.com. My final purchase was a 24048 box car - another piece of rolling stock I have had my eye on for some time. This was my second York experience and for me it was just as awesome as April. The highlight of the event, as in April, was meeting the members of this list. Some I was seeing again and some for the first time. We had such fun at the Gilbert Get Together, our dinners and doing a show and tell of our purchases when we met between the halls or at the out-meets. I have never met a nicer group of people and wish you all could have been there. Maybe we can get and even larger group next April. RegardS... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32576	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Talking station

Does anyone have a copy of how to wire up a talking Union Station to the track.If you do please email me a copy.I sold one at York and want to send a copy to him.My scanner won't work and I can't make a copy of the one I have in my repair manual. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32577	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York - Attendance

The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any ideas why? Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32578	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Attendance @York

My wife and I both noticed the drop in attendance on Saturday,but I was told by someone who was there Friday that it was crowded.Last year we went on Friday and it was much busier,guess we were all trying to be the early bird that caught the deal.One thing hasn't changed, trains in very good condition being priced as if they were in like new condition. I probably won't attend next year, about a third of the table holders started packing up at noon and by 1pm most were done packing. It's just not worth the trip anymore! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32579	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: York Question

Was Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive Works at York? If so, did anyone find out anything about the K-Line Big Boy conversion project? Many thanks. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32580	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: York - Attendance

Dear Lou, I am not sure if Joe would agree, but we thought it was very crowded in the orange hall on Friday morning. Our number of sales was about the same as the last York. Don lou342ac wrote: >The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I >have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any >ideas why? > Lou Baldi > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32581	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/19/2004
Subject: Re: York Question

Dear Scott, I saw Mel and his table was in the orange hall. Don srgriggs wrote: >Was Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive Works at York? If so, did >anyone find out anything about the K-Line Big Boy conversion >project? Many thanks. > >Scott > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32582	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper

*****((((((Does anyone know of a source for paper or card stock printed with bricks or stone? )))))******* To Dwight & all...... Try,......Railroad Prynters--Signs, Billboards, Building Paper, bricks, blocks, rocks, boards, etc..in S Gauge. For samples and price list (specify S Gauge) send $2.00 to: Railroad Prynters PO Box 13113 San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 I got some samples quite some time ago at a local train show. Neat stuff! They are only 18 miles from me. No web site,...bummer! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32583	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Attendance @York

On Friday it depended on what hall you were in. The Orange hall and Purple halls had ample aisle widths so even if you had your oblivious look from the middle of the aisle searchers you could still get by OK. The Silver hall was the worse for this problem. I attended Friday and found the crowds pretty healthy, Saturdays are usually a lot thinner. The 'YORK SYNDROME' pricing problem has been around for as long as I can remember. No matter what condition its in, its "excellent", and if it really happens to be in "excellent" then multiply that amount by 3 or 4. The solution is not to buy from greedy sellers that do that. Leave them sit with their overpriced junk and take it home with them. One thing you do not want to do today is pay full price or over for any vintage AF, or Lionel post war for that matter. Also on this line. I did notice that there was an overwhelming amount of vintage AF at this meet. More than I've ever seen in all my many many years of collecting. If one had bottomless pockets and didn't care about the price they could have easily put togehter an advanced collection all at this one meet. I think its a sign of the times, and this trend will continue. I didn't see much selling, and I noticed too the absence of the table mobs at the Flyer sellers tables. Glad I sold off my AF last spring and moved on to bigger and better things. L8R --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, FEZANDPAZ@a... wrote: > My wife and I both noticed the drop in attendance on Saturday,but I was told > by someone who was there Friday that it was crowded.Last year we went on > Friday and it was much busier,guess we were all trying to be the early bird that > caught the deal.One thing hasn't changed, trains in very good condition being > priced as if they were in like new condition. I probably won't attend next year, > about a third of the table holders started packing up at noon and by 1pm most > were done packing. It's just not worth the trip anymore! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32584	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York - Attendance

All, I also took note of what appeared to be slightly lower attendance. Ideas, plenty, $55.00 / barrel crude oil, higher food costs, $2.10 / gal gas, higher taxes for the middle class only, college costs that have gone up 6 to 10 % and who knows how high heating oil will go if we have the predicted cold winter. Where does the buck stop on all of this WASHINGTON and The White House. I say no more. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York - Attendance > > > The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I > have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any > ideas why? > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32585	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper

I notice this firm "misspells" its name, and it brings to mind Francis LaPrise and his "Railroad Printers" who was in our ranks back in the 1970s or so. I doubt there is a connection, but isn't Mr. LaPrise still around in another area of the hobby? DJE-KCMO -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:26 AM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brick Paper *****((((((Does anyone know of a source for paper or card stock printed with bricks or stone? )))))******* To Dwight & all...... Try,......Railroad Prynters--Signs, Billboards, Building Paper, bricks, blocks, rocks, boards, etc..in S Gauge. For samples and price list (specify S Gauge) send $2.00 to: Railroad Prynters PO Box 13113 San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 I got some samples quite some time ago at a local train show. Neat stuff! They are only 18 miles from me. No web site,...bummer! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32586	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Getting into politics at this forum

People have been getting off topic for a long time, but one member brought political thoughts into it. I believe that in the interest of the group ALL politics, even hints of it, do not belong on this forum. Please keep politics off this site. Thank you. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32587	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Have to agree with both Bill and Sam. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32588	From: knockbill	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Thoughts on York

Hi We arrived Wed AM for the parking lot shows,,,,Billy Bud was about 1/2 full,the parking lot only had a couple venders all week & some of the regulars never showed up..... Best Western was a little better,& got fuller as the week wore on..... The Fire House was about the same as April, with Fred's parts along one wall...The Holidome started to fill up later in the AM, as the lot dryed out, the inside show had the usual suspects.... I think the weather forcasts had some thing to do with attendance, as the forcast called for rain almost every day, but it seemed only to rain in the evening, and early AM, really didn't affect walking around at all... I too, thought the halls were less crowded than before, however, I don't spend much time in the dealer halls, as I see Fred at most local meets.... It seems someone is making the dry tranfers again, & I got a few I was waiting for..... Found many parts to finish projects, & also MANY, new projects to begin.... Its an unending cycle... Can't wait til April.. Have fun, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32589	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Getting into politics at this forum

Thanks to those who have already spoke out in favor of our 'no politics' policy. There is no room for politics on this list. Comments however back handed will not be allowed. No one on this list feels more strongly about politics than I do, but we are not going to change anybodys opinions here. If you need to voice your opinion do it someplace else, like the voting booth. Back to Trains - Please [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32590	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Hi Paul well stated Thanks john At 14:52 10/20/2004, Paul Yorke wrote: >Thanks to those who have already spoke out in favor of our 'no politics' >policy. > >There is no room for politics on this list. Comments however back handed >will not be allowed. > >No one on this list feels more strongly about politics than I do, but we >are not going to change anybodys opinions here. > >If you need to voice your opinion do it someplace else, like the voting booth. > >Back to Trains - Please > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32591	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

To Paul and the moderators: Is there a list of "taboo" topics for this group? Where would it be found? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32592	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: York

This was my first York meet since I was taken as a guest many years ago. I'm beginning to get more into my trains in preparation for future retirement. I spent 6 hours on Friday, going from hall to hall, without a break. I'm grateful to be limiting myself to S gauge so I could bypass most of the other stuff. I think if I was into O gauge, I'd still be there. It was good to meet Doug Peck and support his display with a few purchases. And who was Gary who had his AF along the wall in one of the halls, mostly in mint condition? It was amazing. He did not have a sign or business card. My biggest find was a VG+ AF water tower to replace my plasticville water tower. Registration was easy, parking was plentiful, it didn't rain, and everybody was very kind and always said "excuse me" as they bumped up against me in the crowded aisles. It was a good experience and although my hips were sore the next day from all that standing on hard floors, I will certainly return. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32593	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: NASG PULLMANS start shipping today!!

All -- Today the NASG began shipping the Pullman cars to those who have pre-ordered them. First out are the Pullman Green cars. For those who ordered just the green cars, orders are being packaged today and tomorrow for shipment. For those who ordered green cars plus other paint schemes, shipping will begin when the cars are in hand to satisfy the complete order. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32594	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Talking Station

Thanks to those who sent me the diagrams for the station. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32595	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: More York Musings

This York was a strange one for me. Although crowds were good on Friday, my sales were down considerably. No big ticket items, but plenty of parts sales. Saturday was althogether different. I generally feel good with half as much sales as Friday, but my Saturday sales were higher than Friday. Also, I stay open until 2 pm. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32596	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: New Products

Lots of new product releases. AF lenses now available for all steam locos (including 0-8-0), towers, and the top of the observation car. Most are $2 each. Number board lenses are now available for all diesel locos plus un-numbered lenses. Cost is $2 per pair. Dry transfers now available for all locos except 1946. Cost is $6 per paired set. Dry transfer loco numbers are available at $2 per pair ($2.50 per pair for 5-digit locos). Specify white or silver. Counter tops and shutters ($4.50 a set) available for Flyerville as well as the half counter man ($4 each; specify color). Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32597	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: bricks

Does anyone know of a source for paper or card stock printed with bricks or stone? Hi Dwight, I got some good samples of both card stock and paper bricks, shingles and road signs from: The Prynters P O Box 13113 San Luis Obispo, CA 93406-3113 phone/fax 805-544-1678 The catalog they sent is called "Railroad Prynters". I haven't ordered any, yet. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers They have 0, S, H0 and N scale paper products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32598	From: jt12313	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Paint stripping with alcohol...

Hello all, When I was web-surfing the other day I came across a thread off a HO/N scale board about stripping paint with 91% rubbing alcohol. If such a thing works... how would if affect flyer and flyonel vintage plastic? I picked up a few GP-7 and hopper shells off of Ebay and planned on repainting to the late Rock Island Blue. Just wondering Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32599	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York

Dear Dave, In the Red Hall I bet you met Gary and Laura Clark. Their premo Flyer tables are known far and wide. Best regards, Don Dave Highfield wrote: >This was my first York meet since I was taken as a guest many years ago. I'm >beginning to get more into my trains in preparation for future retirement. I >spent 6 hours on Friday, going from hall to hall, without a break. I'm >grateful to be limiting myself to S gauge so I could bypass most of the >other stuff. I think if I was into O gauge, I'd still be there. > >It was good to meet Doug Peck and support his display with a few purchases. >And who was Gary who had his AF along the wall in one of the halls, mostly >in mint condition? It was amazing. He did not have a sign or business card. >My biggest find was a VG+ AF water tower to replace my plasticville water >tower. > >Registration was easy, parking was plentiful, it didn't rain, and everybody >was very kind and always said "excuse me" as they bumped up against me in >the crowded aisles. It was a good experience and although my hips were sore >the next day from all that standing on hard floors, I will certainly return. >Dave > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32600	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: I'm Back..... Part 2.... The rest of the story!!!!!!!!!!

The first thing I did when I came in today was read the list mails about York.... All are right on.... The best part I still feel was the get togethers.... meets too..... I didn't want to miss anything so I pushed as hard as I could....every meet....every show....every aisle........ When I called my Doctor, from York, on Wed morning he told me to head to the closest ER and at least have a chance to fly back..... or be shipped back......... Hard Head me I had some Nitro candy..... So that's why I might have acted strange, and explained the 25 pound weight gain in a little over a month..... So I popped those several times.... up to 4 besides the regular meds.... a day so I wouldn't miss anything....... This Monday morning I went to the Doc...."You have somehow made it by the skin of your teeth.".... "You have 30 minutes to get to Hospital, on the other side of town, where they can do more if the Cath test finds the problem......you can drive or go by Chopper".... I drove..... well 3 veins blocked off..... 2 are now fine.... home AGAIN!!!!!!! Had to hang in for the trains!!!!!!! Now while I am resting I can start opening the 10 to 15 boxes that have come or are coming..... Thank you GOD for pulling me out once more....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32601	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Bull Gator I think writing about O gauge trains should be banned!!! JUST KIDDING!!!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum > > > To Paul and the moderators: > > Is there a list of "taboo" topics for this group? Where would it be > found? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32602	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper

Micromark carries peel and stick red brick paper in HO and O scale. I have found the O scale to be very nice for my S scratchbuilding projects, and find that real S scale bricks are a little too small for my mature eyes to appreciate anyway. This brick is not just a flat piece of paper, the bricks are actually raised above the morter joints, making it more 3 dimensional. I am using this brick paper on the roundhouse I am currently scratchbuilding for my S layout. http://www.myflyertrains.org/Layout/NewLayout10.htm I am still on the road from my York trip, and can not currently take a closer shot for you of the brick work. The peel and stick paper is very easy to use, and can be weathered etc as long as you don't get it too wet. Chuck H.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32603	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report

Barb should tell the airport security next time, "See you in six months!" That will either crack them up or make them wonder. Great report Barb on your trip to York, as it sounds you had a great time! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32604	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report

I asked at Harrisburgh about bringing trains back at the airport..... their reply was SHIP.... however I have carried on trains before.... and never been even questioned.... wonder what a HO flyer engine in a box looks like under the x-ray??? Shipping insured would be around 10 - 15 dollars.... I shipped 9 boxes....The airlines look at your guns, packed legally and correctly, in a case and then watch you LOCK it and put the keys in your pocket.. They then put their seal on it and It is never touched, except by you at the other end..... why can't special items be done this way too..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Trip Report > > Barb should tell the airport security next time, "See you in six months!" > That will either crack them up or make them wonder. > > Great report Barb on your trip to York, as it sounds you had a great time! > > Mike Marmer > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32605	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report

I won a gym bag as a door prize at Columbus S-fest 3 years ago. As luck would have it, I demolished the bank account more that Saturday than I ever have, and had boxes accordingly. When it was time to fly home, I deliberately put everything in this gym-bag for carry on, knowing they would want to go through it; so it was seemingly easy to just pop the box lids open and let the inspectors look to their heart's content, then close everything back and head for the gate. Did not have to take a shell off the frame to show the motor, maybe that is the snag now. Almost had fun showing them my new goodies--like an SW-9, car kits, etc., etc. :) DJE -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] I asked at Harrisburgh about bringing trains back at the airport..... their reply was SHIP.... however I have carried on trains before.... and never been even questioned

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32606	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Dear Mike, You are not pronouncing that correctly, that is "ZERO" gauge. LOL Don mlmarmer wrote: >Bull Gator > >I think writing about O gauge trains should be banned!!! > >JUST KIDDING!!!! > >Mike Marmer >----- Original Message ----- >From: <bull_gator_1@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:28 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum > > > > >>To Paul and the moderators: >> >>Is there a list of "taboo" topics for this group? Where would it be >>found? >> >>Thanks, >> >>BG1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32607	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

In a message dated 10/20/2004 5:50:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I think writing about O gauge trains should be banned!!! JUST KIDDING!!!! Mike Marmer Dang, What will we do with these "O" gauge track cleaning cars we made if you ban that? Ebay, I guess..... Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32608	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Steve, As a business owner of making O gauge items, that is the risk you take in making a bad business decision and then trying to sell this stuff to S gaugers! I think you should lose your shirt then, as you thought S gaugers would be fooled in buying something that wont fit on S track! And what where you thinking making O gauge stuff anyway!! LOL Is there a market for O gauge? Oh, there is, sadly! What me worried? LOL Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32609	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Brick Paper

Last Oct York I purchased several items from K & P Brick & Building Co. Brick Paper and "S" kits E-mail kpbrick@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32610	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

J Fred write to me "What after O AF!" Oops, silly me, I forgot AF was once part of that evil O gauge empire and I have only S gauge on my mind, but the list is S-trains, so I don't know. I will leave that now to the mighty moderators of the S list to judge whether that will be okay! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: mlmarmer Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum What about the Flyer from before WWII ? Some AF people can use "zero gauge" stuff. jfred mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Steve, As a business owner of making O gauge items, that is the risk you take in making a bad business decision and then trying to sell this stuff to S gaugers! I think you should lose your shirt then, as you thought S gaugers would be fooled in buying something that wont fit on S track! And what where you thinking making O gauge stuff anyway!! LOL Is there a market for O gauge? Oh, there is, sadly! What me worried? LOL Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32611	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

I meant to write that J Fred Wrote to me, "What about O gauge AF! Sorry for the error. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum > > J Fred write to me "What after O AF!" > > Oops, silly me, I forgot AF was once part of that evil O gauge empire and I have only S gauge on my mind, but the list is S-trains, so I don't know. I will leave that now to the mighty moderators of the S list to judge whether that will be okay! LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JFrederick Roberts > To: mlmarmer > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum > > > What about the Flyer from before WWII ? Some AF people can use "zero gauge" stuff. > > jfred > > mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > As a business owner of making O gauge items, that is the risk you take in > making a bad business decision and then trying to sell this stuff to S > gaugers! I think you should lose your shirt then, as you thought S gaugers > would be fooled in buying something that wont fit on S track! > > And what where you thinking making O gauge stuff anyway!! LOL Is there a > market for O gauge? Oh, there is, sadly! > > What me worried? LOL > > Mike > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32612	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Dear Mike, It is worse than you think. Do you know who was the first to introduced mass marketed RTR HO? Don mlmarmer wrote: >J Fred write to me "What after O AF!" > >Oops, silly me, I forgot AF was once part of that evil O gauge empire and I have only S gauge on my mind, but the list is S-trains, so I don't know. I will leave that now to the mighty moderators of the S list to judge whether that will be okay! LOL > >at where you thinking making O gauge stuff anyway!! LOL Is there a > market for O gauge? Oh, there is, sadly! > > What me worried? LOL > > Mike > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32613	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Getting into politics at this forum

Don, Please don't tell me it was Lionel, as I was a kid of the 1960's and Tyco was the HO market at that time and look what happen to them! But my first HO set in 1965 was Varney and they are gone too! I do have some Varney in the box from the 1960's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <robin@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting into politics at this forum > Dear Mike, > It is worse than you think. Do you know who was the first to > introduced mass marketed RTR HO? > Don > > mlmarmer wrote: > > >J Fred write to me "What after O AF!" > > > >Oops, silly me, I forgot AF was once part of that evil O gauge empire and I have only S gauge on my mind, but the list is S-trains, so I don't know. I will leave that now to the mighty moderators of the S list to judge whether that will be okay! LOL > > > >at where you thinking making O gauge stuff anyway!! LOL Is there a > > market for O gauge? Oh, there is, sadly! > > > > What me worried? LOL > > > > Mike > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32614	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2440

This is too easy! Just pack your trains with a gun (or vice versa)!! Message: 10, Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:27:48 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: York Trip Report [snip] >The airlines look at your guns, packed legally and >correctly, in a case and then watch you LOCK it and put the keys in your >pocket.. They then put their seal on it and It is never touched, except by >you at the other end..... why can't special items be done this way too..... >Bob >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32615	From: race944t	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: attendance

I know that the Blue hall was never really crowded. Everyone I talked to said purchases were down and very few big ticket items were sold. I didn't have any interest expressed in my larger $ items. I sold 5 or 6 630 cabooses. I started to even leave the cabooses at home figuring everyone had enough of them. The April show is usually bigger from my experience. I guess the economy is taking it's toll, but I'm somewhat tainted since the main industries in my area are (were) textiles, furniture and tobacco. Bill Clark Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:48:17 -0000 From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> Subject: York - Attendance The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any ideas why? Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2440

Jim.... I think there are size questions.... I pack my handgun in a 12" x 14" x 2" padded case with lock.... put it and the separate BOXED cartridges into a regular briefcase and lock it too... IE 3 locks involved.... I have thrown a few small things to fill the case too with nothing said.... Important thing if trying this is inform the first Airline employee what you have.... On another case I asked the Screener about concerns I had with stuff in my bag and possible damage.... He had me stand behind a roped area while I watched him open it carefully.... Said all was ok send it on and all was well.... I asked another about Carbide lamps.... Miners..No prob.....Maybe our Sweet Barb with trains sends up flags...... will test this theory next month..... Forget that.... just remembered bringing back the Barbie dolls from Canada..... No Prob.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Armstrong" <jarmstro@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2440 > > This is too easy! Just pack your trains with a gun (or vice versa)!! > > Message: 10, Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:27:48 -0400 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Subject: Re: York Trip Report > > > [snip] > > >The airlines look at your guns, packed legally and > >correctly, in a case and then watch you LOCK it and put the keys in your > >pocket.. They then put their seal on it and It is never touched, except by > >you at the other end..... why can't special items be done this way too..... > >Bob > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32617	From: doug	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: 785

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32618	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: Re: attendance

Attendance down, Hmmmm, NASG membership down, NMRA membership down, can someone tell me TCA membership numbers? Perhaps there may not be as many of us to attend. jfred race944t <race944t@...> wrote: I know that the Blue hall was never really crowded. Everyone I talked to said purchases were down and very few big ticket items were sold. I didn't have any interest expressed in my larger $ items. I sold 5 or 6 630 cabooses. I started to even leave the cabooses at home figuring everyone had enough of them. The April show is usually bigger from my experience. I guess the economy is taking it's toll, but I'm somewhat tainted since the main industries in my area are (were) textiles, furniture and tobacco. Bill Clark Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:48:17 -0000 From: "lou342ac" Subject: York - Attendance The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any ideas why? Lou Baldi S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32619	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/21/2004
Subject: The Pikemaster steam engine

I have studied this engine for many years. Since they are cheep, plentiful and run well has any one tried to make one look better? I had though the drive unit could be used for other projects. Is it just made up or is there a prototype to look at? A new cow catcher would help. Cutting out the windows would help. Adding detail and piping would help, but the valve gear is a killer. I have always though that Lionel Valve gear might be an option. Now making this engine look good might take more work then building a new one from a paper towel roll. Jim Sleeth _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32620	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: attendance

After 30 years of steady growth, the TCA membership has plateaued. Don JFrederick Roberts wrote: >Attendance down, Hmmmm, NASG membership down, NMRA membership down, can someone tell me TCA membership numbers? Perhaps there may not be as many of us to attend. > >jfred > >race944t <race944t@...> wrote: > >I know that the Blue hall was never really crowded. Everyone I talked to >said purchases were down and very few big ticket items were sold. I didn't >have any interest expressed in my larger $ items. I sold 5 or 6 630 >cabooses. I started to even leave the cabooses at home figuring everyone >had enough of them. > >The April show is usually bigger from my experience. > >I guess the economy is taking it's toll, but I'm somewhat tainted since the >main industries in my area are (were) textiles, furniture and tobacco. > >Bill Clark > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:48:17 -0000 >From: "lou342ac" >Subject: York - Attendance > > >The attendance seem to me to be smaller then the last several meets I >have attended. Anyone else have the same impression? and if so, any >ideas why? >Lou Baldi > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32621	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Membership Loss

Under normal circumstances, the efforts that the NASG makes to increase membership would result in positive growth. We have a very active Promotions Committee and do lots of advertising in order to gain new members. Thanks to some dedicated people, we've streamlined the membership and renewal process as well. But actually, the result is that we are holding our own and have not experienced a loss of overall membership like such institutions as the NMRA and TCA have. One very big reason is that we have added some new benefits like the estate handling program and help to get new products into S all the while keeping the dues at $20.00 a year, far less than our 2 counterparts. Obviously I'm biased, but I agree that unless the hobby can turn around and get young people into it, all the organizations serving it will wither away and die. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32622	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Fwd: Model Railroad Month Proclamation

FYI. Next we are working on getting the Gov. into S guage. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32623	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - 29th Annual Fall S-Fest

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. 29th Annual Fall S-Fest Date: Friday, October 29, 2004 Time: 2:00PM - 10:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Fall S-Fest at Waukesha County Arena, Waukesha, Wis October 29-31. Hosted by Badgerland S Gaugers. Vist our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32624	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)

Mike, Nope, Big L didn't market RTR HO first, it was our hero, ACG himself!! Now WHAT do we do??? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32625	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk

Hi to all the vendors of all the shows! Bring junk! There, I said it. Bring junk! Bring junk! Can you hear me? Bring junk - at junk prices! Uh-oh! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32626	From: race944t	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Neuse River Valley Model RR Club

Anyone know anything about this club and their upcoming show in Raleigh. Is it a good place for "S"? Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32627	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk!

Junk! Junk! Junk! We want junk! Everybody; with me - We want junk! Junk! Junk! Junk! Can I BE any plainer than that! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32628	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)

I hate to upset the apple cart again............ BUT..........Gilbert made HO, O, S and if you think about it the old Erector Hudson, made in the 30's was near "G" gauge!!!!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO) > > Mike, > Nope, Big L didn't market RTR HO first, it was our hero, ACG himself!! > Now WHAT do we do??? > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32629	From: waldootten	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Thoughts on York and train sales in general

From my observations gathered at multitudinous train shows, there seems to be a certain segment of "collectors" out there that have been hanging on to "high ticket" model train sets and items for many years, waiting for them to increase in value so they can someday cash them in at "winning the lottery" prices. People hang onto these items for many years, waiting for the proverbial "rainy day." With the struggling economy of the past few years, it has been "raining" for many of these people, and a large number of these items have come onto the market as the owners wish turn turn them into fast cash. Unfortunately for them, however, it is "raining" for many other people, too, and so few have the disposable income right now to acquire these pieces at the asking price -- which all too often, as a previous poster articulately pointed out, is either the nebulous, so-called "book value" or the sellers have totally overestimated the quality. Collectors looking for new pieces will never pay someone's "emotional" value. I see many things both at train shows and on eBay being listed as "excellent" that don't come close to that designation, yet are priced that way. Two weeks ago, a guy who obviously was not a collector listed what I'd term a "junk" train set and the starting bid was $2,200. Is it a surprise that there were no bids? It was relisted and he didn't get anyone to bid over $200, which in my opinion was twice what the beat-up stuff was worth -- as parts. The laws of any free market economy dictate that such prices will come down. It is inevitable. An item is not worth what it says in any price guide - it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Period. So lack of demand or interest or disposable income aren't the exclusive reasons stuff isn't selling. There's plenty of interest here in Chicago -- I often hit the GATS show at DuPage Fairgrounds on Sunday mornings and the place is jammed with people... and KIDS. Our train club (C A S G) provides volunteers to run, maintain and interact with the public at a huge train exhibit that runs for over a month at Navy Pier -- and our members report that over 300,000 people attend and are totally fascinated by what they see. What is our hobby doing to capitalize on this interest? Yes, like most of us, I've heard all of the dire stories about the demise of collecting and operating toy trains, and agree wholeheartedly with those who say more children must be brought into the hobby. The best ways to do this are though exposure to the hobby and by making starter sets available at affordable prices. While I think the world of the items being produced by American Models and S- Helper Service and have plenty of them on my layout, I wouldn't buy one of those delicate sets for one of my nephews at Christmas for two reasons: price, and the kids would destroy them (which would demoralize me). That's where companies like AC Gilbert excelled. The stuff could withstand the rigors of being played with by KIDS. This is evident by the locomotives from the 1946-1957 era that are still running on layouts today, over 50 years later. Another plus is their simplicity of design -- I have repaired and restored over a dozen "scrap heap" Flyer locomotives with a small investment of cash and time (Tim Brown, take note). I feel that the AM and SHS is too high-tech for me to figure out, let alone repair. And based on the prices, too much of the stuff being produced today is targeted for Baby Boomers like myself and not for kids. Who really buys those $1900 MTH retro sets? Kids? Guess again. With the imminent debut of the "North Pole Express" movie our hobby should be ready to respond to the renewed interest in trains sparked by the movie. Is it? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32630	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re;Membership loss

Y'all...One of the big problems in some of the groups I'm involved with is OLD AGE! None of us are getting any younger! It's not just a problem in S gauge or just model railroading. I'm in two car clubs that are "greying" rapidly, and I'm an auto racing announcer. We're finding that younger folks don't appreciate machinery the way we do. At train shows, car shows and races you'll see pre-teens and young parents with kids, but NO TEENAGERS! They're "way too cool" to play with trains, I guess. Forget the teeners. We should help Grnadpa get the grandkids involved, or help young parents restart the tradition of having trains around the house. The problem is that we've got to peel kids away from the TV and computer screens! Stumpy Stone (still playing with trains after fifty years) Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32631	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)

Thanks David, as Don did tell me that too, that is was AC, as I thought, no, that has to be a trick question, that I wasn't going to fall for!!! LOL Maybe this list could be re-titled S and anything AC made in trains! LOL But them the S purist like me, would protest! LOL No, anything AC made is fine with me. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32632	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO)

At least they weren't around to get into the N gauge Market!!! LOL Or Z gauge. And don't forget the Auto racing sets they had, as I think they were not in S gauge but more like O. As Auro, sp, had them on that market too! They just couldn't win in anything they did to get major market share! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO) > > I hate to upset the apple cart again............ BUT..........Gilbert made > HO, O, S and if you think about it the old Erector Hudson, made in the 30's > was near "G" gauge!!!!!!!!!! Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Oh woe is us!! (S-O-HO) > > > > > > Mike, > > Nope, Big L didn't market RTR HO first, it was our hero, ACG himself!! > > Now WHAT do we do??? > > S' > > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32633	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Junk!

Ah, we have a Junkie amongst us! LOL Welcome back Tim to the list, some of us missed you! LOL Junkie! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32634	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Junk

Did I ever mention that I wanted to see some junk - at junk prices at train shows? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 24, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32636	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re; York & train shows in general

Well said Phil! It's "raining to beat hell" here in the Ohio Valley! I'm tinkering with old Fler locos for exactly the reasons you put forth. I've thought for years that train sets for $300., $500., $1,000. is stupid and does nothing to get new people into the hobby. Why not a low cost small road locomotive without all the(literally) bells and whistles? A plastic boiler 2-6-0 with headlight and smoke for steam fans for $110., or a modern four axle diesel with headlights at both ends for younger folks at $50. Price it in the (maximum) $100. each price range. Modern plastics can make stuff even more rugged than Gilbert could, and mold technology can make the stuff look very good. If sets were availible in the $75. to $100. range, that would be even better, but I don't think it's possible. Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry,OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32637	From: waldootten	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Re; York & train shows in general

I've already received three emails off-line regarding this topic, and some excellent points were made. Here are the best: * You are dead on with this. I belong to a train club and it seems the biggest complainers are those guys who never show up to help us with our modular layout when we set it up at exhibits. My feeling is, if you're not willing to help solve the problem, then you have no right to complain. * I think most of us started in this hobby when we got our first train set, probably at Christmas. How can today's kids get involved when their parents have to spend upwards of $400 to give them a running set (with track & power supply)? * Let's cross our fingers and hope K-Line follows through with the low-cost starter sets. The K-Line S gauge cars I've bought seem like they'll hold up to play like the cars Gilbert made. Plus, if a kid drops one, it's only $16 to $19 to replace it. Once hooked, the kids will graduate to AM and SHS when they get older, just like we did. AM and SHS should look into this concept, too -- to sow the seeds for their other products later on down the line. Maybe it's not "cool" for teenagers to have trains, but I would guess pretty soon they'll get tired of video games like Sony Playstation and such and take an interest in something more creative, like Flyer and S gauge. It's up to us to show them how rewarding it can be. ___________________________________________________________________ > Well said Phil! It's "raining to beat hell" here in the Ohio > Valley! I'm tinkering with old Fler locos for exactly the reasons > you put forth. > I've thought for years that train sets for $300., $500., $1,000. is > stupid and does nothing to get new people into the hobby. > Why not a low cost small road locomotive without all the (literally) > bells and whistles? A plastic boiler 2-6-0 with headlight and smoke > for steam fans for $110., or a modern four axle diesel with > headlights at both ends for younger folks at $50. Price it in the > (maximum) $100. each price range. Modern plastics can make stuff even > more rugged than Gilbert could, and mold technology can make the > stuff look very good. > If sets were availible in the $75. to $100. range, that would be > even better, but I don't think it's possible. > Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry,OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32638	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/22/2004
Subject: Re: Junk

No doubt about it, junk was the one thing I hardly found at York in AF. I got one junk boiler for my roundhouse, but never could find any Junk GP7 shells, except ones on the table attached to engines at high prices. I second the motion, sellers bring your junk!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32639	From: knockbill	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: York Junk

Hi I guess it depends on what "junk" pieces you are searching for,,, I found 5 engines , Including a Hudson, two K5s, & Atlantics, plus a lot of switches some with controllers, Two shopping bags full of box/reefer bodies, and and a lot of 8B transformers,,,, Granted, all of these need TLC, but so far all the transformers work, (I rewired & calabrated the breakers in them), to give an idea of what I consider "junk prices" I turned down a complete Guilford station (Restoreable), for $15.00.... He would't take Ten!!! I needed the 5.00 for turnpike..... LOL I'll be at Nur Temple, Millersville, & Gilbertsville... This isn't a museum, this stuff is for sale,,, Or trade... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32640	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441

Attendance down, Hmmmm, NASG membership down, NMRA membership down, can someone tell me TCA membership numbers? Perhaps there may not be as many of us to attend. I believe it is due to the number of older collectors passing on the that big train room in the sky, And the younger generation not involved with trains. I have experienced a surge of older trains on the market, mostly at garage sales. People who kept there toys from there youth, now down sizing to move to smaller quarters, realizing that there families would like the money from the toys rather than the toys. And a lot of collectors (investors) realizing that the price of trains has peeked trying to sell under the wire. For the people that are operators and model builders I believe this is good time for us, many new items on the market and a lot of "junque" to restore and/or kit bash. I also believe that with the recreational lands becomming scares, crowed and over used, people will return to the back yards & basements and modeling. ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32641	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441

According to the last quarterly....... TCA hit around 31,000 in 1998 - 99.... Has remained at that level until now 2004 with slight up and down numbers.....Unlike the 80's where it went up 1000 per year..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2441 > > > Attendance down, Hmmmm, NASG membership down, NMRA membership down, can > someone tell me TCA membership numbers? Perhaps there may not be as many > of us to attend. > > I believe it is due to the number of older collectors passing on the that > big train room in the sky, And the younger generation not involved with > trains. I have experienced a surge of older trains on the market, mostly > at garage sales. People who kept there toys from there youth, now down > sizing to move to smaller quarters, realizing that there families would > like the money from the toys rather than the toys. And a lot of > collectors (investors) realizing that the price of trains has peeked > trying to sell under the wire. For the people that are operators and > model builders I believe this is good time for us, many new items on the > market and a lot of "junque" to restore and/or kit bash. I also believe > that with the recreational lands becomming scares, crowed and over used, > people will return to the back yards & basements and modeling. > > ________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32642	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: New photos of MCRRR 18 at my album

Hi all, I've added four more photos to my album on the last run of McCloud 18. Enjoy! S' David D http://s-scale.org/albums/albup16 will take you right to them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32643	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Junk at York

Why would a member of TCA bring junk to York.  If you have one table, you are not going to fill it with junk just to make a few dollars.  York is only two times a year and the  best place to sell or trade our premier items to serious collectors.      If all I had to sell was junk then I would bring junk.  I find the small local shows are the place to take your junk.      Sorry guys and gals, just the facts.  I see more junk at the open shows, probably for the reason you have a lot more space to display it.  I know thats what we did when we use to sell outside at these shows.      Just my two cents.      Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32644	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Prices of train sets

All -- From time to time there is much grousing about low-cost S gauge train sets not being available. I just looked up US Consumer Price Index data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and discovered that the CPI has increased by a factor of 7.32 since I received my January 1949 birthday present -- an A. C. Gilbert American Flyer set with a 322 Hudson, MP stock car, C&NW searchlight car, red side-dump coal car, and 630 caboose. The list price of the train set was a nickel shy of $40. When I multiply $40 by the 7.32 CPI factor, I get $292.80 in today's dollars -- darn close to SHS's $299.95 price for a Conrail train set that includes an SW-9, two boxcars, a covered hopper car, and a caboose. And track and a power pack. My 1949 AF set didn't come with a transformer -- That was extra. But then, the SHS set doesn't have an operating car. For those of you looking for $100 sets and $50 diesels, consider this: In 1949 those would have equated to $13.66 for a set and $6.83 diesels. They were indeed available -- from Marx. Draw your own conclusions. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32645	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report

Afb324, I would want to avoid the airport hassles too... for other places where I have remotely purchased such items I have done the following with success... Would it be easier to pack and ship your bought items... Like at a UPS Mail boxes Etc type place... you could pack the stuff yourself at the hotel after getting boxing shipping supplies from a store and then drop off for shipping and insure the shipment if neceessary... Do you think this would be easier? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] York Trip Report Hi All, I don't know what it is with my train purchases and the security check line at the Philadelphia airport, but it happened again. It was a virtual repeat of the incident in April on the return trip from York. Every bag was searched and the security guard checked out all 32 S figures I purchased - each in its own little plastic bag. His favorite was the Dalmatian with its leg lifted on a fire hydrant. I bought it from Doug Peck in the Purple Hall. If you don't have one, you might check it out. The guy was also dumbfounded as to why I would purchase an empty box!!! I got an original box for a 984 (I'm trying to collect boxes for the full series of 980s). I made it through the line with 2 minutes till take-off of my flight. Fortunately my gate was just a few yards down the concourse. To say the least I was out of breath and stressed. Upon my arrival at the gate, I fully expected the ramp to be closed and the seats to be empty. To my surprise (and a bit of relief, I must admit), I found the flight delayed by 1 1/2 hours. The delay was caused by the necessity to do PM and replace three tires. But all is well that ends well as they say. In addition to the items mentioned above, I purchased my first set with a 290, 3 cars, lots of track and a few other amenities. The price was too good to turn down. I ordered a refinery from Stan's Tanks. Goodness Stan does nice work. He convinced me to populate the refinery with mostly Mobilgas tanks since they are much more colorful than the gray Gulf tanks. So, since I only have one Mobilgas tank car, I set out to find a few more. I found 2 within the last couple hours of Saturday. Consequently, I felt the prices were reasonable. I bought lots of "junk" for my layout including barrels, crates, etc. and purchased some tools that I think will be helpful. I also purchased bumpers for the S-Helper flex track under my trolley. But the big find for me was a smokestack to place behind my roundhouse. These smokestacks are made in a modular fashion so you can make it as tall as you desire by purchasing the number of stack shafts to get you the desired height as well as a top and base. The brick work on it is great looking. I also ordered 2 signs from Miller Engineering: one for the diner and one for the motels. They were shipped today. These are animated neon signs and of very high quality. If you have never seen them, check them out at www.microstru.com. My final purchase was a 24048 box car - another piece of rolling stock I have had my eye on for some time. This was my second York experience and for me it was just as awesome as April. The highlight of the event, as in April, was meeting the members of this list. Some I was seeing again and some for the first time. We had such fun at the Gilbert Get Together, our dinners and doing a show and tell of our purchases when we met between the halls or at the out-meets. I have never met a nicer group of people and wish you all could have been there. Maybe we can get and even larger group next April. RegardS... Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32646	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

Dick... the CPI has a flaw.... We had the first TV on our side of town.... people would stand outside the windows to see the test pattern or 4 hours of shows.... it was black and white and cost over 1300.00.... now should be almost 10,000.... but the last b/w I got was free because I bought something..... Computer memory was in the thousands just a few years ago....... now very cheap.... an AF car was 4.95..... now should be 36.23..... new cars run from 17 - 36.... but all aside.... with the technology of today..... a good set could be made for 100.00. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasglibrary" <nasglibrary@...> To: "S-Trains e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Prices of train sets > > All -- > > From time to time there is much grousing about low-cost S gauge train > sets not being available. I just looked up US Consumer Price Index data > on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and discovered that the CPI > has increased by a factor of 7.32 since I received my January 1949 > birthday present -- an A. C. Gilbert American Flyer set with a 322 > Hudson, MP stock car, C&NW searchlight car, red side-dump coal car, and > 630 caboose. The list price of the train set was a nickel shy of $40. > When I multiply $40 by the 7.32 CPI factor, I get $292.80 in today's > dollars -- darn close to SHS's $299.95 price for a Conrail train set > that includes an SW-9, two boxcars, a covered hopper car, and a > caboose. And track and a power pack. My 1949 AF set didn't come with a > transformer -- That was extra. But then, the SHS set doesn't have an > operating car. > > For those of you looking for $100 sets and $50 diesels, consider this: > In 1949 those would have equated to $13.66 for a set and $6.83 diesels. > They were indeed available -- from Marx. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > Dick Karnes > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32647	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

Dick, Interesting point - but what about factoring in the new efficiency in manufacturing (both logistic and automation), cheaper design cycle(CAD/CAM) and the cheaper foreign labor into your economic modeling... This is surely a factor that should drive down costs... The actual costs of TVs, appliances and other items have actually gone down, so why haven't toy trains followed the trend? ... Worth some thought.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: nasglibrary [mailto:nasglibrary@...] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:00 PM To: S-Trains e-group Subject: [S-Trains] Prices of train sets All -- From time to time there is much grousing about low-cost S gauge train sets not being available. I just looked up US Consumer Price Index data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and discovered that the CPI has increased by a factor of 7.32 since I received my January 1949 birthday present -- an A. C. Gilbert American Flyer set with a 322 Hudson, MP stock car, C&NW searchlight car, red side-dump coal car, and 630 caboose. The list price of the train set was a nickel shy of $40. When I multiply $40 by the 7.32 CPI factor, I get $292.80 in today's dollars -- darn close to SHS's $299.95 price for a Conrail train set that includes an SW-9, two boxcars, a covered hopper car, and a caboose. And track and a power pack. My 1949 AF set didn't come with a transformer -- That was extra. But then, the SHS set doesn't have an operating car. For those of you looking for $100 sets and $50 diesels, consider this: In 1949 those would have equated to $13.66 for a set and $6.83 diesels. They were indeed available -- from Marx. Draw your own conclusions. Dick Karnes S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report

Scott..... why buy much shipping stuff??? I went across the street to CVS Pharm and got tape.....and a few free boxes...... Groc. next door.... More free Boxes.... Motel 6 lobby had a pile of papers in the Lobby.....back to the room..... packed and dropped off at ups ready to go!!!!! all arrived fine... total boxes when I got home over 15..... The only small prob was 2 boxes the glass plants shipped for me in W. Va. ... they appeared damp..... but glass dries and all train stuff great.... I even shipped a gas mustang in original box with cellophane covering.... really worried over that one.... but NO TEARS...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: "'Barbara Rudnicki'" <rcespeak@...>; "'S-Trains'" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] York Trip Report > > Afb324, > > I would want to avoid the airport hassles too... for other places where > I have remotely purchased such items I have done the following with > success... > > Would it be easier to pack and ship your bought items... Like at a UPS > Mail boxes Etc type place... you could pack the stuff yourself at the > hotel after getting boxing shipping supplies from a store and then drop > off for shipping and insure the shipment if neceessary... > > Do you think this would be easier? > > Scott Dee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:56 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] York Trip Report > > > Hi All, > > I don't know what it is with my train purchases and the > security check line at the Philadelphia airport, but it happened > again. It was a virtual repeat of the incident in April on the > return trip from York. Every bag was searched and the security > guard checked out all 32 S figures I purchased - each in its > own little plastic bag. His favorite was the Dalmatian with its > leg lifted on a fire hydrant. I bought it from Doug Peck in the > Purple Hall. If you don't have one, you might check it out. > > The guy was also dumbfounded as to why I would purchase > an empty box!!! I got an original box for a 984 (I'm trying to > collect boxes for the full series of 980s). > > I made it through the line with 2 minutes till take-off of my > flight. Fortunately my gate was just a few yards down the > concourse. To say the least I was out of breath and stressed. > Upon my arrival at the gate, I fully expected the ramp to be > closed and the seats to be empty. To my surprise (and a bit > of relief, I must admit), I found the flight delayed by 1 1/2 hours. > The delay was caused by the necessity to do PM and replace > three tires. But all is well that ends well as they say. > > In addition to the items mentioned above, I purchased my first > set with a 290, 3 cars, lots of track and a few other amenities. > The price was too good to turn down. > > I ordered a refinery from Stan's Tanks. Goodness Stan does > nice work. He convinced me to populate the refinery with > mostly Mobilgas tanks since they are much more colorful > than the gray Gulf tanks. So, since I only have one Mobilgas > tank car, I set out to find a few more. I found 2 within the > last couple hours of Saturday. Consequently, I felt the prices > were reasonable. > > I bought lots of "junk" for my layout including barrels, crates, > etc. and purchased some tools that I think will be helpful. I also > purchased bumpers for the S-Helper flex track under my > trolley. But the big find for me was a smokestack to place > behind my roundhouse. These smokestacks are made in a > modular fashion so you can make it as tall as you desire by > purchasing the number of stack shafts to get you the desired > height as well as a top and base. The brick work on it is great > looking. > > I also ordered 2 signs from Miller Engineering: one for the > diner and one for the motels. They were shipped today. These > are animated neon signs and of very high quality. If you have never > seen them, check them out at www.microstru.com. > > My final purchase was a 24048 box car - another piece of > rolling stock I have had my eye on for some time. > > This was my second York experience and for me it was just as > awesome as April. The highlight of the event, as in April, was > meeting the members of this list. Some I was seeing again and > some for the first time. We had such fun at the Gilbert Get > Together, our dinners and doing a show and tell of our purchases > when we met between the halls or at the out-meets. I have > never met a nicer group of people and wish you all could have > been there. Maybe we can get and even larger group next April. > > RegardS... Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32649	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2441 - Ttandance - hobby membership status

Gerald, Your remarks are interesting... there has been a big upswing in back yard grilling and barbecuing the past few years here in the sun belt that may give some support to your observations... As collections pass into the general marketplace it will be intyerseting to see if prices are affected up or down? What do you think? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Gerald R Dobbs [mailto:grdobbs@...] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:09 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2441 Attendance down, Hmmmm, NASG membership down, NMRA membership down, can someone tell me TCA membership numbers? Perhaps there may not be as many of us to attend. I believe it is due to the number of older collectors passing on the that big train room in the sky, And the younger generation not involved with trains. I have experienced a surge of older trains on the market, mostly at garage sales. People who kept there toys from there youth, now down sizing to move to smaller quarters, realizing that there families would like the money from the toys rather than the toys. And a lot of collectors (investors) realizing that the price of trains has peeked trying to sell under the wire. For the people that are operators and model builders I believe this is good time for us, many new items on the market and a lot of "junque" to restore and/or kit bash. I also believe that with the recreational lands becomming scares, crowed and over used, people will return to the back yards & basements and modeling. ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32650	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Junk at York

****(((((If you have one table, you are not going to fill it with junk ))))**** I thought the junk was for UNDER the table!! ;^)> Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32651	From: waldootten	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

Dick and all -- With all due respect, I just did the same thing using a CPI calculator and got a bit different scenario. My first set, a 501T, cost about half of what Dick's set with a 322, etc. cost. Simply put, Dick's 322 Hudson in those days was a higher- ticket engine and in my opinion can hardly be classified as a "starter set." I feel my 501T more closely approximates a "starter" set -- and remember, the Atlantic loco in the box (302AC) still had what in those days passed for "sound" (choo-choo) -- and a smoke unit, too, which even cheaper Atlantic sets lacked (300, 301, 307 etc). The 501T (which contained a 302AC, 638, 640, and 642 box plus track, transformer and manual uncoupler) was only $21.95 in 1951. In 2004 dollars, it would cost $160.32. I think that backs up my original thought that affordable starter sets in the $150 range are still needed. PS This is a great topic. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, nasglibrary <nasglibrary@e...> wrote: > All -- > > From time to time there is much grousing about low-cost S gauge train > sets not being available. I just looked up US Consumer Price Index data > on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and discovered that the CPI > has increased by a factor of 7.32 since I received my January 1949 > birthday present -- an A. C. Gilbert American Flyer set with a 322 > Hudson, MP stock car, C&NW searchlight car, red side-dump coal car, and > 630 caboose. The list price of the train set was a nickel shy of $40. > When I multiply $40 by the 7.32 CPI factor, I get $292.80 in today's > dollars -- darn close to SHS's $299.95 price for a Conrail train set > that includes an SW-9, two boxcars, a covered hopper car, and a > caboose. And track and a power pack. My 1949 AF set didn't come with a > transformer -- That was extra. But then, the SHS set doesn't have an > operating car. > > For those of you looking for $100 sets and $50 diesels, consider this: > In 1949 those would have equated to $13.66 for a set and $6.83 diesels. > They were indeed available -- from Marx. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32652	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Game Train

Can anybody tell me more about the game train, like how it was played, etc. I know it came out in 1963 and had the Casey Jones engine, buffalo hunt Gondola and the caboose, Freight Ahead. I know it was on PM track and on some kind of game board. And I do know that the kids got bored with it quickly. Anything you can add to this would be greatly appreciated. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32653	From: knockbill	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Junk at York

Hi, Good point about having only one table at the TCA York meet, & filling it with junk,,,The table is only 6' long as opposed to the common 8' tables at most other meets,,, However, The "York" meet is almost a week long now, with some setting up as early as Monday... Most of my "junk" finds were made during the week in the various parking lots...There are still some deals to be found in the halls at the TCA meet, but, as you stated most members bring their pricey stuff to take advantage of the big collector crowd,,, If your hands don't get stepped on a few times during the meets, you aren't looking in the right place for "junk"!!! Great hobby isn't it??? Something for everyone... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32654	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/23/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

All -- See below. Dick Karnes ============== Scott Davidson wrote: > Interesting point - but what about factoring in the new efficiency in > manufacturing (both logistic and automation), cheaper design > cycle(CAD/CAM) and the cheaper foreign labor into your economic > modeling... This is surely a factor that should drive down costs... The CPI reflects all of these things. > The actual costs of TVs, appliances and other items have actually gone > down, so why haven't toy trains followed the trend? ... As for the argument that high-priced items in the 1940s/50s (like TVs) are cheaper now, that's the maturing of technology evolving from invention through innovation. By comparison, a replica is still a replica. You can't liken the advance of toy train technology to placing the equivalent of 2 million vacuum tubes on a chip of silicon. There hasn't really been much if any innovation in toy train technology -- unless you consider DCC and sound, which are driving prices higher (temporarily, I hope) in models that have it. You won't see the $100 set or the $50 engine -- ever. The number of model railroaders is decreasing, not increasing. The number of S gaugers is small compared to other gauges. Economy of scale in S is insufficient to drive unit prices of S gauge equipment down. On top of that, our suppliers are paying shipping and import duty on the models they get produced abroad, then they need to add some small percentage profit, plus another two thirds of their total cost plus profit in order to give dealers their retsail discount. Example: Suppose the unit cost of producing 500 cars in China is $8. And suppose the mark-ups are as follows: Shipping from China to LA adds 50% per car Duty adds 18% (I don't know what it really is) Shipping from LA to New Jersey or Michigan adds another 20% per car Supplier adds another 20% for reinvestment in new products Supplier adds another 10% for his own profit Standard dealer discount is 40% off retail If you do the math, ocean shipping is $4 apiece, duty is $2.16, rail shipping is $2.83, reinvestment recovery is $3.40, supplier profit is $2.94, and the dealer mark-up is $15.03, giving a retail price of $37.46. I haven't even considered additional costs like packaging, putting two sets of wheels in each box, etc., etc. Of course, our suppliers keep these cost factors confidential. But I believe the real overall cost escalator over the raw manufacturing cost is higher than my example. One thing is always true, however -- If the Chinese price is cut in half, then the final retail price can also be cut in half. You can accomplish that by multiplying the number of units produced by about ten, thus greatly reducing the per-unit amortization of the tooling costs. But you've still got assembly, painting, decorating, and packaging per unit, costs you can't significantly reduce. This is why the K-Line cars cost less than half of SHS cars. They are made from Marx O-27 body molds (at least the boxcars and reefers are -- the rest I don't know) and SHS truck molds (without SHS permission). Thus, no tooling investment, and very simple factory assembly. They're about as inexpensive as you're ever going to get. As the Chinese government comes to realize that floating their exchange rate is in their long-term interest, prices can only go higher. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32655	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk

Chuck, 1 man's junk is another man's treasure!!! Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:19 PM To: Tim Brown Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junk No doubt about it, junk was the one thing I hardly found at York in AF. I got one junk boiler for my roundhouse, but never could find any Junk GP7 shells, except ones on the table attached to engines at high prices. I second the motion, sellers bring your junk! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32656	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: York Trip Report - good tips for cheap packing

Bob, Hope you are feeling well... I have also used the used papers around the hotel... and usually get tape at a Walmart's or such... but hadn't tried the grocery store idea for boxes - good tip.... Sometimes I have to take back books and literature and find it easier to pack and ship it... my company will even cover the cost for this stuff on a business trip... Beats the airport security hassles each time... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:30 PM To: 'Barbara Rudnicki'; Scott Davidson; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Trip Report Scott..... why buy much shipping stuff??? I went across the street to CVS Pharm and got tape.....and a few free boxes...... Groc. next door.... More free Boxes.... Motel 6 lobby had a pile of papers in the Lobby.....back to the room..... packed and dropped off at ups ready to go!!!!! all arrived fine... total boxes when I got home over 15..... The only small prob was 2 boxes the glass plants shipped for me in W. Va. ... they appeared damp..... but glass dries and all train stuff great.... I even shipped a gas mustang in original box with cellophane covering.... really worried over that one.... but NO TEARS...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: "'Barbara Rudnicki'" <rcespeak@...>; "'S-Trains'" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] York Trip Report > > Afb324, > > I would want to avoid the airport hassles too... for other places where > I have remotely purchased such items I have done the following with > success... > > Would it be easier to pack and ship your bought items... Like at a UPS > Mail boxes Etc type place... you could pack the stuff yourself at the > hotel after getting boxing shipping supplies from a store and then drop > off for shipping and insure the shipment if neceessary... > > Do you think this would be easier? > > Scott Dee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Rudnicki [mailto:rcespeak@...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:56 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] York Trip Report > > > Hi All, > > I don't know what it is with my train purchases and the > security check line at the Philadelphia airport, but it happened > again. It was a virtual repeat of the incident in April on the > return trip from York. Every bag was searched and the security > guard checked out all 32 S figures I purchased - each in its > own little plastic bag. His favorite was the Dalmatian with its > leg lifted on a fire hydrant. I bought it from Doug Peck in the > Purple Hall. If you don't have one, you might check it out. > > The guy was also dumbfounded as to why I would purchase > an empty box!!! I got an original box for a 984 (I'm trying to > collect boxes for the full series of 980s). > > I made it through the line with 2 minutes till take-off of my > flight. Fortunately my gate was just a few yards down the > concourse. To say the least I was out of breath and stressed. > Upon my arrival at the gate, I fully expected the ramp to be > closed and the seats to be empty. To my surprise (and a bit > of relief, I must admit), I found the flight delayed by 1 1/2 hours. > The delay was caused by the necessity to do PM and replace > three tires. But all is well that ends well as they say. > > In addition to the items mentioned above, I purchased my first > set with a 290, 3 cars, lots of track and a few other amenities. > The price was too good to turn down. > > I ordered a refinery from Stan's Tanks. Goodness Stan does > nice work. He convinced me to populate the refinery with > mostly Mobilgas tanks since they are much more colorful > than the gray Gulf tanks. So, since I only have one Mobilgas > tank car, I set out to find a few more. I found 2 within the > last couple hours of Saturday. Consequently, I felt the prices > were reasonable. > > I bought lots of "junk" for my layout including barrels, crates, > etc. and purchased some tools that I think will be helpful. I also > purchased bumpers for the S-Helper flex track under my > trolley. But the big find for me was a smokestack to place > behind my roundhouse. These smokestacks are made in a > modular fashion so you can make it as tall as you desire by > purchasing the number of stack shafts to get you the desired > height as well as a top and base. The brick work on it is great > looking. > > I also ordered 2 signs from Miller Engineering: one for the > diner and one for the motels. They were shipped today. These > are animated neon signs and of very high quality. If you have never > seen them, check them out at www.microstru.com. > > My final purchase was a 24048 box car - another piece of > rolling stock I have had my eye on for some time. > > This was my second York experience and for me it was just as > awesome as April. The highlight of the event, as in April, was > meeting the members of this list. Some I was seeing again and > some for the first time. We had such fun at the Gilbert Get > Together, our dinners and doing a show and tell of our purchases > when we met between the halls or at the out-meets. I have > never met a nicer group of people and wish you all could have > been there. Maybe we can get and even larger group next April. > > RegardS... Barb > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32657	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

Dick Karnes wrote: >This is why the K-Line cars cost less than half of SHS cars. They >are made from Marx O-27 body molds and SHS truck molds (without SHS >permission). What? SHS tooling used without SHS permission?!? What's the story on that, Don T.? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32658	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk

Well my experience at the spring show at York was Great! I to was looking for particular "junk" (sheet metal walls for the 755 talking station). Well I did find someone who had just that for sale, with also the windows! Unfortunetly, I ran out of "capital" to purchase a Washington set in the original box for ,get this $800! ($1200 book value I believe). So I felt the week at York was very rewarding for those who will "dig" for the goodies,under tables and hanging around as guys would unload boxes of trains out of their vehicles. First come, First served! Happy hunting...Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> To: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junk > > No doubt about it, junk was the one thing I hardly found at York in AF. > I got one junk boiler for my roundhouse, but never could find any Junk > GP7 shells, except ones on the table attached to engines at high prices. > > I second the motion, sellers bring your junk! > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32659	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: SHS--K-Line trucks

***(((What? SHS tooling used without SHS permission?!? What's the story on that, Don T.?)))***** I had heard a while back, that the K-Line trucks were made by the same company as the SHS trucks. True? I dunno. Who holds the rights to these trucks? If they were made for SHS ONLY,....then that wouldn't be right if they are selling them elsewhere. What's the scoop?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32660	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: SHS trucks?

Dear Rick, Maury told us a few weeks before the release of his Marx "Keystone Keepers" cars that they copied the design of our trucks and couplers. Funny, but my perspective is different than the conventional thinking. I told Maury that we had a fat file of dozens of truck drawings that S did not have. If I would have known, we would have sent him a set of drawings so a new type of truck would be available for him to market. Bettendorf "T" section, National type "B", Vulcan, Taylor, Dahlman, A-3 Rde-Control are all trucks the scale could use as a RTR metal truck alternative. Other trucks with a different profile such as Arch Bar, Fox, Verona, Simplex, Allied Full Cushion, Symington-Gould could have been considered too as it would not have effected sales of there cars but would have had a larger after market than the PRR 2D-F8 truck we have now been selling for the past 8 years. As for the nuts and bolts design, I think our builder (yes, we both share Sanda Kan for our products made in China) has designed an excellent truck that gives us the added weight of diecast zamac and with the inclusion of the delrin bearings in the sideframes with the pointed steel axles ends. This is a very nice rolling truck. I understand why they copied our design. I am still not sure why he made a zamac coupler. This is a 027 concept with three rail operation. couplers like this could give you fits on lighted and action cars that do not depend on a third rail. Zamac parts cost 20% more so I think that was not a well thought out idea. Maury's current lead engineer at Sanda Kan was our engineer about 6 or 7 years ago. Like with all of our engineers, we were very upset to lose him. But, at that time, he was assigned to a larger company and we know to expect this every 2 to 4 years as the young engineers grow into their job. But, we "borrow' design concepts from other companies too. I can think of lots of examples where I saw the way another company approached an engineering problem and adopted it as our own. This is rampant through the model railroad industry and I think pretty much accepted (except for one O gauge company). Lets admit it, I did not have permission from the PRR to copy their truck design, The NWX for our reefer, SPS for our rebuilt boxcars, PS for the covered hopper, and on and on. So anyone that thinks that all model railroad companies have not copied someone else's work has not really thought the concept through. Anyway, that is the story the way that I see it. To me the K-Line cars (have you seen the caboose?) are not in the spirit of AC Gilbert's American Flyer Line. Read the catalogs from the late 40s. These are not S Scale bodies, but 0-27 item that has no known prototype. In my mind this is what AC Gilbert was trying to get away from when he introduced his S scale line in 1946. Don Rick Evans wrote: >***(((What? SHS tooling used without SHS permission?!? What's the story on >that, Don T.?)))***** > >I had heard a while back, that the K-Line trucks were made by the same company as the SHS trucks. >True? I dunno. Who holds the rights to these trucks? If they were made for SHS ONLY,....then that >wouldn't be right if they are selling them elsewhere. > >What's the scoop?? > >Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32661	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Prices of train sets

Dear Dick and Chuck, Not our tools, just made new tools from our design. The reason they cost less is the fact he is using 50 year old Marx tooling. These exact same paint schemes and numbers were marketed the previous year as "Keystone Keepers" on 0-27 trucks for $9.95 each. Don jayhoo64 wrote: >Dick Karnes wrote: > > > >>This is why the K-Line cars cost less than half of SHS cars. They >>are made from Marx O-27 body molds and SHS truck molds (without SHS >>permission). >> >> > >What? SHS tooling used without SHS permission?!? What's the story on >that, Don T.? > > >Chuck F. > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32662	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk at York

You folks have got it wrong, the junk is supposed to be under tables in boxes! Seemed to me that the vast majority of AF sellers had nothing under their tables except for the boxes that they brought the good stuff in! Even so, the 3 rail guys had their junk right up on the tables! (This is a big grin) :) However, after hearing about the junk other buyers got, I can see why I found so little of it! The bad thing about Friday at York, is it can take most of the day to give the whole show a quick once over, and many trains are sold at the tables before you get there. Fortunately, most of the time, you will never know what you missed! I did score a junker 1946 vintage 312 boiler, with the cow catcher already cut out and a knuckle couple installed. Now once the motor is removed, my new Flyonel Docksider (OK, I can wish...) will be able to pull it around my railshops complex.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32663	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk / My very short trip report...

Ok, there were some high prices, and the S gauge junk was highly prized... :) However, except for a couple compromises, I got everything that was on my York shopping list, except a GP7 shell. Reason to go next time I guess... These days, the Central of Georgia, is my road name of choice. I saw them (981s) as high as $750.00 at the show! Can't find anything in my TM price book to explain why a dull 981 would ever sell for $750.00?) Actually I did purchase 4 Central of Georgia Boxcars at the meets. The first one (5 digit version) which I will call G+ / VG- I bought for the huge price of $25.00! I also bought a second AF one, and the last two John Huster repros (made by s-helper) that Portlines had on their table. In Oct 1999, when I went to my first York meet, I laid all of my purchases out on the queen sized bed at the Days Inn, and took a couple of photographs. This has become a tradition with me, and I have have done this for every meet I have attended since! The photo from this year, is in the albums on my website, link below... http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album10/IMG_3974_JPG I put this link out on the chat last week, and one fellow said that it didn't seem like enough stuff to make the trip worth it! Well, I guess he doesn't try and buy his S supplies in Florida! Anyway, I find as I go to York more, I am increasingly interested in the people I meet, and seeing the "new stuff" like in the Orange Hall, even if I don't buy it... Not only did we have the Gilbert meeting on Thursday night, but the S-list dinners on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights. As the dinner Friday night was wrapping up, it struck me that I was seated among a very nice group of people, who also happened to like S gauge trains! (My thanks go out to Barb, Joe Haenn and the others who worked to organize these dinners!) It was a good week!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32664	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: October 2004 Gilbert Get-together - Photo Album Posted!

At the York Gilbert Get-together, I had the great privilege of meeting with over 80 of the world's finest people, Gilbert enthusiasts of course. I wish that everyone on the list could have been there, but since that wasn't possible, I have put together a photo essay of the meeting. I do not remember who the owners of "all" the pictured items are, so if I didn't mention your name, or left out any important details about your item (and I certainly did), please email me with the information and I would be most happy to add it to the photos. Here is a link to take you directly to the photo album, and I hope you like the photos. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album09?page=1 Enjoy...Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32665	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices

Hi all! I'm all for "under-the-table" boxes of junk, York or not! I am finding that fewer dealers seem to be bringing this stuff to meets, and some that do are putting them on the top of the table with corresponding increases in their percieved value ! :-( I go to meets just to find "junk"! I will have to agree with Don, that as much as I like the idea of K-Line producing rugged RTR S gauge, their choice of molds to use is disapointing. They have a wonderful stock car mold that IS S and there are other Marx molds that will work much better for S. ACG did try to keep things prototypical, much more so than the other two of the "big three" back then. It is too bad that K-Line didn't ask Don about drawings, a variety of trucks would have been (would still be) GREAT! They used die cast couplers? Shades of Big L and the NP passenger sets. I still have to change ou the couplers in mine--and add some resistance to the motor circuit to stop the jackrabbit starts. Set prices, well, the set that started my brothers, and then me, with Flyer was the very basic 307 and three cars w/loop of track for $19.95 list, so that would be a more reliable "starter set" price to go by. Why do you think there are so many 307s, 806s, 925s, 923s and 931.921s around? They were the "standard" starter set pieces! And talking about $50 engines, the list price on the new docksiders is under $100, and street price is around $80 something! That's pretty close--if they get produced! Don't forget, Chat tonite!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32666	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2443

In a message dated 10/24/2004 3:44:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 19 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:07:20 -0400 From: Donald Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: SHS trucks? Don, Thank you for this explanation. It sounds as if you are a very wise person. I M H O, this is the way all business Should be handled. No sour grapes, but, then, I just offer a service. It's up to me to find shortcuts in it. If anybody can benefit from what I've learned, I'm only too happy to help them. After all, didn't we all have to start somewhere. Keep up the good work and put your best foot, er product forward. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32667	From: race944t	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk at York

I guess I should put it this way. I came to York with everything from junk to nice sets (at reasonable and negotiable prices). I sold the junk. It paid for my trip from the SW part of Va. I'll continue to bring junk for the junk dealers and hope someone can appreciate the finer things as well. So, thank you junk buyers. It just goes to show, if you bring enough junk you can still have some fun. I guess I'll go restock my cabooses for sale box. Let me see, why do I go to York. I might bitch about not selling as much as I would like, but the York experience, being with friends, the Gilbert Get Together, and learning new stuff is always worth the 700+ mile drive. Ahhh, the smell of smoke fluid in the air... nothing could be better. Bill Clark Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:32:10 EDT From: HOwingsiii@... Subject: Junk at York Why would a member of TCA bring junk to York. If you have one table, you are not going to fill it with junk just to make a few dollars. York is only two times a year and the best place to sell or trade our premier items to serious collectors. If all I had to sell was junk then I would bring junk. I find the small local shows are the place to take your junk. Sorry guys and gals, just the facts. I see more junk at the open shows, probably for the reason you have a lot more space to display it. I know thats what we did when we use to sell outside at these shows. Just my two cents. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32668	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Game Train!

An O gauge answer to the game train. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlechner2001" <Joseph.Lechner@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: [toytrains] Game Train! > > > << The set also contained a map of the US. This was game one as you rolled the glass ball on the map, where it landed is where the train stopped. You basically had a trip from New York to San Francisco >> > > Shortly after Gilbert released its S gauge Game Train, my brother and I developed our own O 3-rail game train in the basement. > > The game train consisted of a #2344 New York Central F3 pair hauling several assorted freight cars, most importantly a #6462 gondola. > > My brother, I, and a neighborhood friend would each be seated at a different corner of the layout. We would shuffle the deck, deal the cards, and commence to play a hand of ROOK or euchre. Cards were deposited into the gondola, and then the train would advance to the next player. > > As I recall, we weren't allowed to play "cards" on Sunday; so we sounded The Game Train's horn frequently to reassure our parents that we were playing trains. > > Joseph Lechner > > > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32669	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices

Regarding junk, I remember being at the Holidome out in the parking lot and seeing a box on the pavement with Flyer just piled in it, where the Flyer was disrespectfully displayed, or so I remember thinking. At that moment Mark Preman walked up, and I pointed it out to him, and he said "That's one way to do it, just throw it in a box". Kind of humorous moment actually.... Buy really though I have no problem seeing real junk in a box under the table, displaying good or better Flyer that way I feel is disrespectful. Maybe I am weird? When I was a boy, my parents were divorced and all 4 of my engines were broken, all of them needed reverse unit fingers and I did not know how to get them. So my trains went unused for quite a while. My mother worked, and hired a baby sitter for my brother and I named Cleo. I guess my mother had asked her to clean up the trains, because one day I went into the basement to find Cleo taking the trains off my 4 x 8 sheet of green plywood and tossing them into a cardboard box, one on top of the other. Engines, rolling stock, track, a 752 coal loader, a Union talking Station and more. All of it, just thrown in the box! It was kind of a tramatic moment for me. Definately disrespectful... I remember buying a 307 engine on eBay that the seller described as being in good shape. To may horror it arrived in a Priority mail box, the kind about 3 inches thick. The boiler had been folded over at the drawbar so the side of the boiler was touching the tender shell; no padding in between. This person is on this list, and knows trains. I wrote it off that perhaps someone else does his packing. Luckily, I had only bought the engine to get its pullmore rims to fix my 336. Even then, I hated to carve up a 307 in order to fix the 336. (This was several years ago before repro pullmore rims were available.) So when I have a kitbash sort of project, I have to apply my own values as to what is junk, or what is an antique train that has survived all these years that it is my responsibility to preserve. I bought a junk 312 at York. No tender, lettering missing, cow catcher cut out to install a knuckle coupler, no boiler front. OK, this junk, good junk, but junk. The previous 312 I bought on eBay at a low price came in at way too good of shape to kitbash, darn! This thing is nearly E except for a couple missing handrails. I can't kitbash this thing, so bought the parts from Fred to restore. A wonderful problem when all you can buy is good AF and junk is unavailable. ;) Chuck David Dewey wrote: >Hi all! > I'm all for "under-the-table" boxes of junk, York or not! I am finding >that fewer dealers seem to be bringing this stuff to meets, and some that do >are putting them on the top of the table with corresponding increases in >their percieved value ! :-( I go to meets just to find "junk"! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32670	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 24, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32671	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Mr Houda

Anyone know Ladd Houda's email address and/or home address. Am interested in this scale PS core passenger car kit project. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32672	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices

Dear Chuck, David, et. al., Ah, the good ole days at TCA meets. I think it was at the Westover Country Club in the late 70's. It was before the pricing guides where if you were a student of Flyer, you could turn a few pennies buying and selling. At this show, I saw a milk carton full of Flyer Trains, track, parts, etc.on a table full of "L" stuff. The price on lot was $25 (this is the era when the nice 900 series boxcars went for $20). I grabbed the carton and waited in line to purchase and get change from the cash I had on hand. But, the table holder was busy with others so I waited. Then people started to go through the carton I was holding. I ended up selling some of the stuff while I stood there for much more than the $25. Ah year, the good old days..... Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32673	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices

Allot of people in TCA don't have great sums of money to buy many of the higher ticket train item and for them, train collecting is the junk or the less expensive pieces. For many people are just barely making ends meet, with the cost of living and raising a family. Many want pieces to run also, which you would do with the rarities of AF, which are limited since they are rare. Enjoyment in train collecting should not be just for the high ticket items, as I would think a dealer who just sold "junk" might make more, as the volume sold adds up in profit. So there is a market for both types of collectables. Just my opinion, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <robin@...> To: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> Cc: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junk, K-Line, Set Prices > > Dear Chuck, David, et. al., > Ah, the good ole days at TCA meets. I think it was at the Westover > Country Club in the late 70's. It was before the pricing guides where > if you were a student of Flyer, you could turn a few pennies buying and > selling. At this show, I saw a milk carton full of Flyer Trains, track, > parts, etc.on a table full of "L" stuff. The price on lot was $25 (this > is the era when the nice 900 series boxcars went for $20). I grabbed > the carton and waited in line to purchase and get change from the cash I > had on hand. But, the table holder was busy with others so I waited. > Then people started to go through the carton I was holding. I ended up > selling some of the stuff while I stood there for much more than the > $25. Ah year, the good old days..... > Don > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32674	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk, K-Line, Set Prices

I meant to write that you would NOT run the rare AF items. Sorry, rushing, since I have a ton of emails to respond to,I did proof read the below, as I am trying to get done to watch the Red Sox beat the Cardinals again!!! Mike Allot of people in TCA don't have great sums of money to buy many of the higher ticket train items and for them, train collecting is the junk or the less expensive pieces. For many people are just barely making ends meet, with the cost of living and raising a family. Many want pieces to run also, which you would not do with the rarities of AF, which are limited since they are rare. Enjoyment in train collecting should not be just for the high ticket items, as I would think a dealer who just sold "junk" might make more, as the volume sold adds up in profit. So there is a market for both types of collectables. Just my opinion, Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Thompson" <robin@...> > To: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> > Cc: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junk, K-Line, Set Prices > > > > > > Dear Chuck, David, et. al., > > Ah, the good ole days at TCA meets. I think it was at the Westover > > Country Club in the late 70's. It was before the pricing guides where > > if you were a student of Flyer, you could turn a few pennies buying and > > selling. At this show, I saw a milk carton full of Flyer Trains, track, > > parts, etc.on a table full of "L" stuff. The price on lot was $25 (this > > is the era when the nice 900 series boxcars went for $20). I grabbed > > the carton and waited in line to purchase and get change from the cash I > > had on hand. But, the table holder was busy with others so I waited. > > Then people started to go through the carton I was holding. I ended up > > selling some of the stuff while I stood there for much more than the > > $25. Ah year, the good old days..... > > Don > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32675	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Junk vs. Collectable

Y'all, I've been in model railroading for fifty years. Every scale from Z to 1 1/2" ride on size. I've never considered myself a "collector" always an "operator." Our local club is HO scale and O hi-rail. Of course there is no limit on "kit bashing" HO. However, our gang doesn't go for repainting or modifying good stuff from old Lionel. If it's rare (no matter how rough) or in "Excellent" condition (no matter how common), it's off limits. Generally we look to the price guides for guidance here. If it's big bucks, it's no touch. Is this about the way you guys look at "collectable" vs "bashable?" Where are the limits set for old American Flyer? Lionel Flyer? I've been to many websites of S gaugers and I see there are collectors and kit bashers everywhere. I guess I'm looking for some kind of concensus here of what's right and wrong. Some guidance please. Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32676	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: Junk vs. Collectable

Everyone is into trains for different reasons. The dealers that just want to sell the high ticket items are missing a selling opportunity, as I would think there is allot more in sales for the lower ticket items, than the high ticket items. I would think one would sell more $25 items than a $500 item and still make a nice profit, as the volume of sales will be more. Just my opinion, Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32677	From: Lori	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: paint

My husband is looking for paint for S guage Gilbert American Flyer. Any suggestions? LORI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32678	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Re: prices of train sets

I originally wrote this late Friday night and decided not to post it until I had time to read it over again. By the time I got back to these thoughts, Dick Karnes had posted many of the same things I had written. I didn't want to parrot Dick but he encouraged me to post it anyway, so here goes. Once again the dreaded "we need cheap starter sets, trains today are too expensive, why can't they make them like A.C." thread raises its ugly head. American Flyer trains were never cheap. If you wanted cheap trains you bought Marx. For instance, I have the 1950 Montgomery Ward Christmas catalog. There are three Flyer sets offered in their catalog. The lowest priced set is the circus train offered for $27.95. The most expensive set offered is a Hudson No. 322AC with 629, 631, 717 and 630 for $46.95. In today's real dollars those sets would have cost $213.03 and $357.85 respectively. Considering that the minimum wage in 1950 was 75 cents an hour, trains back then don't seem like much of a bargain. While Flyer trains were well made, many train sets (including mine) were only operated for 2-3 weeks a year at Christmas, then packed up and put in the attic or basement. This is why they still run 50 years later. I also disagree that people won't spend $300-400 for a train set. They would if that is what their kids wanted! The XBOX is now $149.99 and most new games are $49.99. Buy the system and 3 games and you've spent $300.00. The sad fact is that trains don't have the mystique they once did. When I played with my trains as a kid I always wondered about these places such as Santa Fe or Texas and Pacific. How can you have fantasy with names such as CSX or BNSF. Take a look at trains today. Except for the engines most paint schemes are drab and have very little in the way of eye catching artwork. It used to be fun watching a train go by and see how many different road names there were. Now your lucky if you see 4 or 5 in a 90 car train. I don't think even cheap starter sets would have much of an impact on growing the hobby. Fifty years ago we had Little League baseball and a few midget football leagues. Now we have soccer, street hockey, basketball, skate boarding leagues, etc. Kids have their own all terrain vehicles. Add in all of these activities plus video games, music lessons, and others and there is little room for model railroading. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32679	From: waldootten	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Prices of train sets revisited

With all due respect, from the tone of finality in some of the gloomy posts here, I guess the gist is the demise of model trains is a done-deal and we should all quit trying to resusitate it, right? Malarkey. That's not what I'm seeing at train shows. I see kids and adults. There were kids running around our TCA meet this afternoon. If there was no interest, the shows would be empty. Not that it couldn't be better, though. I would never use attendance on Friday-Saturday at York as a measuring stick. That extravaganza has turned into a monstrous six- day sale, and by Friday, perhaps there are more than a few empty wallets. I think the the main problems affecting the hobby have been clearly indentified here, so it is time to hear some fresh ideas from positive thinkers and doers who believe there's still a chance to turn things around -- and more importantly, are willing to make an honest effort to do so. As an example, from what I hear, Barb does her part down in Florida, using her S layout as a conduit to reach young people. I'm sure there are many others. Okay, let's get it out on the table: Perhaps the so-called "panic" regarding this topic really centers on some collectors worrying about whether they'll be able to sell their collections and make a profit someday. I hope not, and anyone who limits themselves to thinking this way is more mercenary than collector and certainly not a hobbyist. Speaking for myself, I still get plenty of pleasure from my trains and that's the main reason I have them and keep buying. I'm not concerned about reselling them -- heck, I still haven't worn them out yet. (Pause to LOL) Some posters have made some great points which add to the discussion. But I for one will not be negative about this, nor naive. Here's a good question: Has the NASG and TCA and other organizations exhausted all avenues toward this end? In my train club, we have over 60 members, but it seems like the same dozen or 15 always step up when there's work to do. Yes, kids today have many more distractions available to them. But we heard the same thing years ago, that TV and slor cars and the hula hoop and Duncan yo-yos killed the model train movement in the late 1950s, when it seemed everyone had a train set. I think it is Pollyanna-ish to think we'll ever get back to those participation levels, but let's get some good heads together and aspire to try to turn things around, if they're really so bad. I think it's huge toward this end that manufacturers like Don and Ron have worked tirelessly to meld today's technology with yesterday's concept of model trains. And in that respect, the future remains bright. You cannot even begin to compare 1950s model train sets with what's out there today, and what we'll have tomorrow. I find that very exciting. Sorry for the diatribe, and I speak only for myself, but I refuse to take this little crusade sitting down. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32680	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Junk vs. Collectable

Mike, et al; While there is some logic to your point, I would like to offer the following. Photography is my business, and at a meeting with the chairman of a major event I used to photograph, she said that everyone was pleased with the quality, service, etc. She said, however, that some participants had mentioned that if my prices were less, that they would buy more. I replied thusly: if I were to cut my prices, say in half, and if I sold twice a many prints, I would be doing twice as much work for the same amount of money. except that I would be spending more on raw materials, etc. The same could be true on some level concerning our train stuff. It might take just as long for a small shopkeeper, for example, to sell $25 worth of train stuff as it does to sell $500 worth of train stuff. Plus, h/she has to make twenty more sales to theoretically make the same amount of profit as from one sale. So selling $500 worth of trains is obviously a better use of the shopkeeper's time than selling $25 worth of trains. Plus, there are only so many selling hours in the day and only so many customers walking through the door, or responding to online or print catalogs. If that same shopkeeper has to hire help to, in effect, increase the number of potential selling hours in a day, then his/her profit margin is further eroded with salaries and bennies. Just IMHO. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:31 -0400 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junk vs. Collectable > > > Everyone is into trains for different reasons. > > The dealers that just want to sell the high ticket items are missing a > selling opportunity, as I would think there is allot more in sales for the > lower ticket items, than the high ticket items. I would think one would > sell more $25 items than a $500 item and still make a nice profit, as the > volume of sales will be more. > > Just my opinion, > > Mike Marmer > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32681	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: future of model trains

Hi all, The success of almost any toy is determined by what is on TV and available in the local stores. The first vender to supply a Polar Express Train Set before Christmas could score, just as a Harry Potter Hogwart Express could have done last year but it didn't happen except with Lego's version. We are missing the link between movies and product. How great it would be if some interaction between the movie industry and the model train industry could co-produce an entry level s gauge train set that would co-incide with the introduction of a movie such as those named above. Kids need to have toys that stir the imagination and are linked to stories that also stir the imagination. For example, every model train gauge has a Thomas the Tank Engine available. Kids don't have the memories that we have and must rely on TV, books, movies and experience for their memories. Each of the movies mentioned portray trains from another era. Modern trains for the most part just don't stir the imagination as those trains of the past. Today if kids see trains at all they see modern trains, dirty and covered with graffiti and pulled by uninteresting engines. The only mystery is why they allow all the graffiti. The way that I got my grandkids interested with my trains was to have them build their city with Harry Potter Legos and setup AF accessories. Then I set up an inexpensive digital cam with movie & sound hooked to a computer and they make movies with themselves, their city and the trains. Hopefully someday their happy memories will move them toward model railroading with advanced modeling skills. my 2 scents, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32682	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] future of model trains

Boy, Alex and I are on the same page. The local AMC Theatres INC. (America Multi-Cinema) just awarded a $40,000 grant to the local G gauge garden railroad club to construct a 64'x48' layout especially to promote the Polar Express. Haven't learned if the group is going to paint an existing G gauge loco as the Polar Express, or if there is going to be a Polar Express in G gauge version available commercially. The only one I was aware of is the one just hitting stores now and is offered by Lionel. I plan to buy one for the grandson (sorry :( S folks) because after the movie hits, there may not be any left. The G gauge layout will be in the Grand Hall of Union Station Kansas City. There will also be an additional 7,000 sq ft of other gauge layouts at the Station for the holidays, so if anyone on the list is going to be close to KC between Thanksgiving and New Year's, please stop by and take a look. Might also want to check out this link to the Polar Express movie trailer from Warner Bros. If I were an eight year old boy again (well, according to my dear wife, I still am, but I digress), if the movie is at least as good as the trailer, I would absolutely have to have a Polar Express model train of my very own. Granted it's not S, but maybe later we can convert them :) After all, I started with a Lionel set at age 7. Cheers, Roy Inman polarexpressmovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/trailer.html?id=trailer&sett ngs=true > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> > Organization: innotronics > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:29:43 -0700 > To: "S-trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] future of model trains > > The success of almost any toy is determined by what is on TV and > available in the local stores. The first vender to supply a Polar > Express Train Set before Christmas could score [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32683	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] future of model trains

Whoops! Should have added one more word at the end of this sentence: "movie." My bad. Roy Inman ---------- > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:45:38 -0500 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] future of model trains > > The local AMC Theatres INC. (America Multi-Cinema) just awarded a $40,000 > grant to the local G gauge garden railroad club to construct a 64'x48' > layout especially to promote the Polar Express...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32684	From: roy inman	Date: 10/24/2004
Subject: Track planning software for Mac

Attention Mac users: A while back I asked MacRailSoft head Jon Barnholt why S gauge templates were not included in their program. He said they had not received sufficient information from manufacturers to be able to include it in the program. I forwarded Jon's email to SHS and AM. Jon now says those manufacturers' track is now included. Please see below. Now I wonder if anyone else has additional suggestions for inclusion of other brands, if it might be an idea to forward those recommendations along also. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "J. Barnholt" <barnholt@...> > Organization: MacRailSoft > Reply-To: contact@... > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:00:28 +0200 > To: webm@..., rinphoto@..., paul@..., > crocon@..., robin@..., mhrreast@..., > rbashista1@... > Subject: S gauge libraries now available for RailModeller > > Dear S gauge railroaders, > > This is just a short note that our track planning application RailModeller 2.2 > is now available including the initial release of the S gauge track systems > from > > - American Models > - S-Helper Service > > > A free demo of the application including these libraries can be downloaded > from http://www.railmodeller.com > > Any comments on the S gauge libraries are appreciated. > > best regards, > Jan Barnholt > -- > ===|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|=== > | | RailModeller : Model Railroad Trackplanning for MacOS | | > > Web: http://www.railmodeller.com | E-Mail: contact@... > MacRailSoft : Jan Barnholt, Zaubzerstrasse 37, D-81677 Muenchen, Germany > ===|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|==|=== > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32685	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: future of model trains

Dear Alex, The Bachmann version of the2nd Hogwart Express was not very successful. I am not sure why. The first one was a huge hit. But, the 2nd one last winter sat on the hobby shop shelves. Don Alex Sibbald wrote: >Hi all, >The success of almost any toy is determined by what is on TV and >available in the local stores. The first vender to supply a Polar >Express Train Set before Christmas could score, just as a Harry Potter >Hogwart Express could have done last year but it didn't happen except >with Lego's version... >Alex > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32686	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Junk vs. Collectable

Roy, I understand your point, as I too, know a bit about profit and the cost of doing business, as there is a market for both types of sales. However, most of the time, at York, I see most of the sellers not selling very much and just chit chatting, which is fine, as that is part of the hobby, the friendship, but that idle time, doesn't make a profit to the seller. Many times, I see the table being run by a wife, as the husband goes off looking at things. So there is a opportunity at York to sell both, if they want to or care to. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32687	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Amazing York Booty(goodies not butts!)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32688	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: SCAM

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32689	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2444

Want to get younger people in to trains??? My local TCA is inviting any boy scout in uniform free admittance to our shows + the club has set up displays and seminars for the scouts to earn their Railroading merit badge, Scout councilors are on site to sign for scouts that have completed the requirements. This program just grows and grows. Want to do some thing worth while and fun?? Start this program in your club. Most metropolitan areas have upwards of 50,000 scouts, not a bad group to draw new members ship from. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32690	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Kids and Starter Sets

I have been following these threads with great interest. My conclusions are that 1). there are plenty of kids interested in trains, given reasonably priced starter sets and 2). the days of greatly escalating prices of S gauge collector pieces are over. York was a good example of the latter. Due to deaths, there are many more collections of S gauge available than ever before. One prominant dealer has purchased 7 large collections already this year and is trying to get the cash together to purchase an 8th. This abundance of rare and highly collectible pieces is stagnating the collector market, a trend that may level out but will no longer greatly increase the values. This, I believe, is one reason why Mike Kolosseus decided to sell off his outstanding collection, getting high dollar while he could. I am just glad that I am an operator, and not a collector. As to the former, there are tons of kids who want trains. And, no, you will not find them at most TCA meets. Why? Because most TCA meets do not even have operating layouts, and they cater mostly to collectors. So, where is the future? They are at the train shows that cater to families, and generally this need is not being met by either the GATS or Greenberg shows. Rather they are at small independent shows and train-related events (such as the Roanoke Model Railroad Engineers Show in Roanoke, VA and the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show in Raleigh, NC). That is why the recent Thomas Days at the Spencer Railroad Shops (NC) drew over 35,000 people (all revolving around young children) in two 3-day weekends. Many of these kids came expecting to see and help operate the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, Carolinas Division, modular layout. To push buttons operating more than 50 accessories, to run the Thomas trains themselves and sit in the Tidewater Division's Thomas cab and blow the whistle. Some were disappointed when they found an HO layout with standoffs in the location we had the previous year. One child even went under the ropes and began pressing the thumb tacks. Many parents were relieved when they were informed that our layouts were farther back in the Roundhouse. My first train set was a Marx articulated M-2000 set, because that was all (less than $10) that my parents could afford. I coveted my older neighbors' AF layout and was thrilled when they switched to HO and my father purchased their used AF trains for me for Christmas one year. [I like to tell my O gauge friends that my first train set when I was little was 3-rail, but then I grew up and got rid of that "training rail".] I have found that reasonably priced S gauge sets do sell. I am selling 3 different sets at this time. For $79, I have a boxed set with a Casey Jones loco, 2 boxed K-Line cars, a boxed K-Line caboose, a circle of used track, a used starter transformer with circuit breaker, and a new K-Line universal track lock-on. For $99, I have a boxed set with a non-smoking AF Atlantic loco, 2 boxed K-Line cars, a boxed K-Line caboose, a circle of used track, a used starter transformer with circuit breaker, and a new K-Line universal track lock-on. Finally, for $129 I have a boxed set with an Atlantic loco with smoke and choo-choo, 2 boxed K-Line cars, a boxed K-Line flat car with removable load, a boxed K-Line caboose, an circle of used track with 4 straights, a used starter transformer with circuit breaker, and a new K-Line universal track lock-on. And yes, people are snapping these up for their kids as starter sets. Any of you could easily put such sets together yourself. The pieces are all readily available at very reasonable prices. Do I make any money off of these sets? No, but that is not my reason for doing it. And no, I will not sell them to collectors or adults. This is my little way of getting more kids (and their parents) involved in this wonderful family hobby. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32691	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Junk & York

Bill Clark & everyone, I visited your table at York, Bill. I looked on top and underneath. I couldn't find any junk. I believe what you call junk under your table is what most people would call excellent. What I call junk is that which is unusable, save for parts, whether they be gently removed or cut off with a saw. I challenge you and all other dealers to bring their junk to York in April. Now, we probably shouldn't continue this thread on junk or York, for that matter too much longer, or we'll get hollered at and told to stifle ourselves. I have some junk to process, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32692	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Listen to your trains

Hi, In an effort to gracefully change a thread from junk & York to running trains: have you listened to your trains lately? I'm currently running five resurrected Baldwins with all parts replaced, repainted, SnS can motor conversions and electronic reverse units installed in the lead three diesels and with two dummy Baldwins trailing. They tow about 15 freight cars up & down a 4% grade. I have the throttle on my 30B set right in the middle of the "3", as in 30mph. At that speed, on my pike, I can hear the individual wheelsets passing over switches, crosses and rail connections. I can see the diesels and freight cars bobbing, and even a bit of caterpillering - not bad for vintage knuckle-heads. Isn't that what we see & hear when we see a prototype train? On my smallish layout, that speed seems to make the pike bigger because it takes longer for a train to make one go around. That's all, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32693	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Thanks to Joe Haenn

- Joe - Thanks for the time, trouble, and occasional expense you put into the S-gauge hobby. And thanks for the commentary on keeping this "Greatest Hobby" alive and growing. If these good will ideas swept across the model railroading portion of the nation, the hobby would be shared and enjoyed by many more than we see now. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32694	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Junk vs. Collectable...again

Y'all, I guess my post was unclear or mistook by y'all. I was not making a comment about York. I'm looking for your opinion. What is too collectable to touch and what can be repainted ot kit bashed in old American Flyer? Lionel Flyer? The local train club I'm in is HO and O gauge, with one S gauge track on the O layout. Of course HO is in the "anything goes" area. In Postwar Lionel we go by the following formula; If it's rare (even if in rough shape) it's hands off. If it's in excellent condition (even if common) it's no touch. If it's a common item in Very Good or lower condition it's okay to paint or modify. Collectors and operators seem to get along in this club. Having been to many S gauge websites in the past month, I see some nice collections and also some nice kit bashing. Where do you feel the line is drawn? Stumpy Stone...putting on my firesuit, expecting some flames in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32695	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Train prices leveling off

Didn't we hear this sort of thing in the early 1900s? And look what happened the last few years. I think we may be seeing one of those occasional plateaus, as seen in any other commodity. There IS a difference between collectors and operators, and maybe some of this stuff is moving more toward the collecting aspect. Each has their place. Maybe the market for the top-shelf rare stuff will be moving more toward collectors looking to make an investment. After all, there were only a limited number of certain items made -- just like in other collecting hobbies -- and I frankly don't see how no one will want to collect excellent quality, 50- and 60-year-old trains that were made in limited quantities. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32696	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Ooops! Train prices leveling off

Love those funny typos -- the first sentence should have read: Didn't we hear this sort of thing in the early 1990s? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32697	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Train prices leveling off

IMHO, It's interesting that when I first got back into this hobby in 1998, that prices on eBay were quite a bit higher than many of the prices at York. But York sellers were finding out about eBay, and you would hear conversations while you walked the halls about how high something had gone for on eBay. Then several years ago the TM price guide came out with prices somewhat higher then the Greenberg guide. Prices continued to creep up at train shows. Now, it seems we have gone full circle. Much of the time, the bargains are on eBay, and the train show prices are much much higher. I have always told my wife that I have no illusions about my train collection being an investment. As the baby boomers age and die off, toy train prices are bound to drop alot! I have often thought that the last toy train collector to die of my generation may have quite a train collection as he heads for the great roundhouse in the sky, and probably much of it will have been aquired at bargain prices. It is not that nobody from the following generations will want toy trains, just not enough of them to keep the abundant supply of trains from driving the prices down. Economics 101! I saw some incredible prices at York. At the Best Western I saw a 300AC engine in maybe VG condition with a price of $200.00 on it! My thought was, that this is a meet open to the public, and if John Q. Public unknowning novice, buys this engine as his introduction to S gauge trains, that he may be hard to hold in the hobby when he finds out he was taken advantage of. I saw similar things in the official meet, but at least the buyers there are TCA members, and probably a little more knowledgable about what things should sell for. I certainly thought sales were down, and never heard anyone mention eBay like years before, but heard many complaints from sellers as to how they do much better at some other trains show. GATS I bet! I live in Florida, and really love to go to York (I have gone 8 times since 1999). I have to consider though the economics of it. The cost of travel, hotels, gas, etc to go to a show and be offered many or most of the trains at twice or more of what I could get them for off eBay. I am leaning towards forgetting York in 2005, and going to a NASG convention or S-Spree with the intention of just meeting with people and enjoying S trains. An all S gauge show sounds like fun, and I won't worry about high prices because shopping will not be my major reason for going. Regarding prices leveling off, I think that trains are coming out of the attics faster than the demand can soak them up. Common items in particular seem to be dropping sharply in price, at least on eBay... And yes, some collectors if they think that prices are falling will dump their collections. Buy again, if I want an investment I will buy stocks or bonds, invest in my home, etc. My trains are a hobby, a connection with my childhood just to be enjoyed... My 346 may drop in value, but it will still be a 346, and still puff its way around my layout.... Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32698	From: waldootten	Date: 10/25/2004
Subject: Re: Train prices leveling off

You always show an ability to think clearly, Chuck. Very well articulated! I wish more posters would offer suggestions instead of simply posting the same, old, tired complaints. I have heard the same refrain about golf antiques, which I also collect. The demand ebbs and flows. At one time in the 1980s, everyone said there was no market for wooden-shafted clubs. They were cut up by the thousands, to be used as garden stakes and whatnot. Today, the most common "hickory stick" iron sells for in excess of $25, more than 25 times what it cost in 1930 and 100 times what you could buy them for in 1985. One other thing to consider -- if train sales were dropping, as so many seem to think, where do Don Thompson (SHS) and Ron Bashista (AM) sit on this topic? It looks like they're making more products today only because they're selling more. They would not exist if there weren't a ready market. They may not ever get as big as Lionel or MTH etc., but they're still seeing slow, but steady, growth, I'd bet. And consider this -- there are only so many dollars available to be spent on S as long as The Powers That Be are not growing the hobby effectively. How many of those S dollars are being diverted to SHS and AM? Their products, although different from Flyer, are less troublesome than Flyer and require less maintenance (babying). And have a totally different look, too, if that's what you prefer. For now, I guess we'll both keep those little 346s spinning around and smoking and whistling up the basement. Phil K ____________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > IMHO, > > It's interesting that when I first got back into this hobby in 1998, > that prices on eBay were quite a bit higher than many of the prices at > York. But York sellers were finding out about eBay, and you would hear > conversations while you walked the halls about how high something had > gone for on eBay. Then several years ago the TM price guide came out > with prices somewhat higher then the Greenberg guide. Prices continued > to creep up at train shows. > > Now, it seems we have gone full circle. Much of the time, the bargains > are on eBay, and the train show prices are much much higher. I have > always told my wife that I have no illusions about my train collection > being an investment. As the baby boomers age and die off, toy train > prices are bound to drop alot! I have often thought that the last toy > train collector to die of my generation may have quite a train > collection as he heads for the great roundhouse in the sky, and probably > much of it will have been aquired at bargain prices. It is not that > nobody from the following generations will want toy trains, just not > enough of them to keep the abundant supply of trains from driving the > prices down. Economics 101! > > I saw some incredible prices at York. At the Best Western I saw a 300AC > engine in maybe VG condition with a price of $200.00 on it! My thought > was, that this is a meet open to the public, and if John Q. Public > unknowning novice, buys this engine as his introduction to S gauge > trains, that he may be hard to hold in the hobby when he finds out he > was taken advantage of. I saw similar things in the official meet, but > at least the buyers there are TCA members, and probably a little more > knowledgable about what things should sell for. I certainly thought > sales were down, and never heard anyone mention eBay like years before, > but heard many complaints from sellers as to how they do much better at > some other trains show. GATS I bet! > > I live in Florida, and really love to go to York (I have gone 8 times > since 1999). I have to consider though the economics of it. The cost of > travel, hotels, gas, etc to go to a show and be offered many or most of > the trains at twice or more of what I could get them for off eBay. I am > leaning towards forgetting York in 2005, and going to a NASG convention > or S-Spree with the intention of just meeting with people and enjoying > S trains. An all S gauge show sounds like fun, and I won't worry about > high prices because shopping will not be my major reason for going. > > Regarding prices leveling off, I think that trains are coming out of the > attics faster than the demand can soak them up. Common items in > particular seem to be dropping sharply in price, at least on eBay... And > yes, some collectors if they think that prices are falling will dump > their collections. Buy again, if I want an investment I will buy stocks > or bonds, invest in my home, etc. My trains are a hobby, a connection > with my childhood just to be enjoyed... My 346 may drop in value, but it > will still be a 346, and still puff its way around my layout.... > > Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32699	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: New projects

I uploaded a couple pics of new projects I've completed to Paul's pic site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32700	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: AF #714 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted

If you have one for sale, please contact me directly. I need one for my grandson. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32701	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: New projects

Great. I am not sure which projects are new, but my eye was caught by your fueling depot, it look pretty familar ;) Nice Job... Did you really kill a Penn Salt car to make it? I am sure in is a repro but it looks good. Chuck Tim Brown wrote: >I uploaded a couple pics of new projects I've completed to Paul's pic site at: > >http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32702	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: New projects

You do some really good work and are a truly gifted modeler! I try, and am hoping to create some cars of my own. I have a feeling most of my "projects" will consist of cars painted one color with decals applied. I have flirted with the idea of trying to kitbash an engine into a yard goat. Trouble is, I think to the do the job right I need to kitbash a 342 or 343 or even like a 21004! You know, something with a little smaller drivers and boiler to start with. Well, junk 21004 worth of bashing are not easily found! I have wondered if I started with some large HO engine, that the wheels would be Docksider / Yard goat size if regauged??? Food for thought, but once again, great work Tim... Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32703	From: waldootten	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Polar Express

If you are interested in what the heavily-hyped Polar Express story and movie are all about, there are movie stills, a two minute trailer, screensavers and other cool stuff at: www.polarexpressmovie.com Incidentally, the locomotive prototype used for the computer- geneated animation belongs to the The Steam Railroad Institute in Michigan. They are the owners/operators of former Pere Marquette Berkshire 2-8-4 No. 1225. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32704	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: More rehabs

I just finished up a string of junker New Haven passenger cars I fixed (some were REAL bad) and repainted to color-match an ABA New Haven Diesel set which I made up from broken-down Comet and Sante Fe units. I made up, then printed out the decals on plain white paper, using an Elmer's glue stick and high-gloss sealer to keep them on. Pics of them are at Paul's photo site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32705	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: Scam

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32706	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: AF #714 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted

Think you mean 718???? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jnr59@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF #714 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted > > If you have one for sale, please contact me directly. I need one for my > grandson. > > Thanks, > > Jack Riely > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32707	From: Tim Brown	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Fuel Depot

Hi Chuck, The Penn Salt tanker poised on my "Oil Depot" you saw was my first attempt at creating one from an old Gulf junker. The lettering was hand-done. The second one I created was made by printing out large billboard decals on white paper and sculpting them onto the segments, using an Elmer's glue stick to attach them - one large decal per segment, per side. OBTW, I used my old kindergarten round-tipped scissors to cut the decals out. I suspect that even a junker Penn Salt tanker would be worth something and I wouldn't consider repainting one. Now, an old junker Gulf tanker - that's fair game. Good luck finding junk 0-8-0 locos for kit-bashing! I think the parts would be too scarce and worth too much to ruin them. Before trying to change the gauge of an old HO loco, my advice is to try something a LOT simpler! When you start cutting up engine blocks to re-align them to a different wheel config or a larger gauge, you're doing some very sophisticated work for the average home hobbyist. If you can make a 4-8-4 out of a couple Atlantics, you've arrived and are ready for the big-time! Hey! Let's get those old Romper Room paints and crayons out and do something creative with them again! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32708	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: I'm so confused.....

I've seen some people are putting can motors in American Flyer locomotives to replace bad original motors. I've seen references to using DC can motors with rectifiers, or DC can motors with Dallee e- units for use with AC power. I'm not sure I understand this. With a DC can motor and rectifier do I use the Flyer e-unit to run on AC power? On the DC can motor and Dallee e-unit, I would not use the Flyer e-unit to run AC? Do I understand this correctly? I just aquired a very rough 302AC Atlantic at a flea market for $10. I don't think the motor or e-unit can be saved. I thought this loco would be a good candidate to try a can motor on. I have another Atlantic that's original to compare with. Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32709	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: G&M Trains

Stumpy: I keep seeing your location of Martins Ferry, Ohio and I thought I would share my experience in trying to find G&M Trains in Martins Ferry, your home town. My wife and I were going to Cincinnati to see a long time friend, as we came from MD on I-70 and I knew in CTT there was a Shoppe in Martins Ferry, which was across the river from WVA. We got to Martins Ferry, as I believe the town over looks the river between Ohio and WVA. It was quite exiting to see the warehouse for Ohio's version of Bob's Big Boy, since my wife worked for Marriott at the time, as your version is Friches, or something like that with a red headed Big Boy, not the other mascot for the other version. I know this email is really exciting now! LOL Anyway, we found 301 S. 4th St. in a residential area and no train shoppe. I think we had the right address, but to this day, I have no idea what we found or where G&M is! I remember that 301 S. 4th St. is on the river side of the road. Stumpy, where did I mess up? LOL Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32710	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF #718 GREEN Operating Mail Car Wanted

Dear Group: Sorry for the mispost...If you have a GREEN one for sale (with or without bags/post/switch), please contact me directly. I need one for my Grandson's AF train...he's only 2 1/2 but he just loves his AF green passenger train set I gave him! Thanks and best regards, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32711	From: T Larson	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: RC

The 1/64th scale RC cars that were the "hot item" several years ago for $30 are now available for $10 at Radio Shack. hmmmmmm, who'll be the first to put hi-rail wheels on one of the pickups for your railroad's MOW dept?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32712	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Re: I'm so confused.....

See responses below. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm so confused..... > I've seen some people are putting can motors in American Flyer > locomotives to replace bad original motors. I've seen references to > using DC can motors with rectifiers, or DC can motors with Dallee e- > units for use with AC power. > I'm not sure I understand this. > With a DC can motor and rectifier do I use the Flyer e-unit to run > on AC power? You can run directly on DC with a can motor and reverse by changing DC polarity with a DPDT switch. You can also hook up a rectifier to the e-unit so you can run on AC and sequence reverse. See link http://tuveson.com/ for details. > On the DC can motor and Dallee e-unit, I would not use > the Flyer e-unit to run AC? Do I understand this correctly? With a Dallee e-unit you run on AC and sequence reverse using the Dallee e-unit, which replaces the Flyer e-unit. > I just aquired a very rough 302AC Atlantic at a flea market for > $10. I don't think the motor or e-unit can be saved. I thought this > loco would be a good candidate to try a can motor on. I have another > Atlantic that's original to compare with. You'll like the results. There is also an inexpensive Lionel electronic e-unit that can be bought for about half the price of a Dallee last I looked. > Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32713	From: D Stoll	Date: 10/26/2004
Subject: Semaphore button

in a group of contol buttons I recent purchased, was one control labeled AMERICAN FLYER SEMAPHORE MAN. It has one red button in the center. My Sam has a two button control for in and out. Does anyone know what was the single button control may have been used for? Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32714	From: stepdad56	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button

The single button Sam button is for the 758, the dual button Sam button is for the 758A. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "D Stoll" <omaha@r...> wrote: > > in a group of contol buttons I recent purchased, was one control > labeled AMERICAN FLYER SEMAPHORE MAN. It has one red button in the > center. My Sam has a two button control for in and out. Does anyone > know what was the single button control may have been used for? > Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32715	From: firex43	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Wanted: K-Line FDNY Set

Wish to buy a K-Line FDNY train set. Please contact me off-list with condition and price. Thank You, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32716	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Running old AF trains

Regarding the earlier topic about running or displaying old AF trains, I run anything I have, no matter how great of shape, or how rare it is. I have fun running all trains, but especially old Gilberts. Since all the trains are paid for, bought as an investment in happiness, not for future financial gain, I might as well enjoy them myself and run them for the enjoyment of visitors, too. I have no plans of ever selling off the collection, so am not concerned that by running something, it's value will be decreased. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32717	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Paint remover

Hi all; Removal of paint from old and new rolling stock has been discussed before, so please bear with me. I just found out about a product called Chameleon paint remover, specifically designed for models of all kinds, and specifically mentions model trains. I do not recall seeing it mentioned on the list, but at my "mature" stage of life, memory dims. The web site chameleonproductsonline.com claims the stuff is non-toxic, re-usable and water soluble, which sounds almost too good to be true. Now if it only works. Anyone have any experience with this product? Thanks for reading and Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32718	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2447

Hi Stumpy, You should come down to my store Saturday or some time soon and I will show you how well these motors run. It can be confusing. I use both electronic and Flyer reverse units. I rebuild the old ones fairly easily which is much cheaper than the newer electronic ones. It doesn't take much to save a reverse unit. if you would like to come down sometime, I will show you how to fix the reverse units and install the new motors. My advice is to go with the old reverse unit. You can still run both AC or DC transformers this way. I can send some pictures of a motor installed if you like. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 Http://Elizabethstation.com "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32719	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: A.F.900 Series BC's in CTT

The December issue of CCT has a story on the American Flyer 900 Series Boxcars. Very nice pictures and interesting article.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32720	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Tuscan NASG Pullmans

All -- Those of you who have ordered the Tuscan Pullman cars from the NASG: American Models is shipping these to the NASG on Monday Nov. 1. We will be sending them out to purchasers late next week or early the following week. Also, those of you who ordered both green and Tuscan cars will have your orders filled at this time. The grey cars and CNR cars will be delayed until December. Reason: American Models has had to reorder 36" scale wheelsets. These wheelsets will not arrive at AM until December. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32721	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button

>in a group of contol buttons I recent purchased, was one control >labeled AMERICAN FLYER SEMAPHORE MAN. It has one red button in the >center. My Sam has a two button control for in and out. Does anyone >know what was the single button control may have been used for? >Doug The single button is for the earlier version of Sam where the button must be held down to stop the train and when let go releases the train. The same concept exists with the earlier versions of the magnetic crane. One button is used to swing the crane around, pick up the load, reverse, and when the the load is over the car the button is released to drop the load. The later versions have two buttons for better control. The improved later versions have an A appended to the model number. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32722	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Back to junk

Who wants it? I have lots of it. Collector and repair guy for 30 years shells parts transformers send me an email with what you want. I am old meaty not fat divorced and use bifocals, but I drive at night and have teeth and hair LOL. I still SCUBA dive so it is time to thin out my treasures. Who knows John Heck's email or phone? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32723	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: Re: Back to junk

Tom. Nice email about your junk and about you! LOL But I don't think John Heck wants junk! He wants to sell the other stuff, as when I go his table at York, I don't see him selling much. So that is went selling some "junk" would generate some dollars for him to take to the bank to pay his bills for York. But you can look him up in the TCA directory. I am sure he would love to chat anyway on your dime. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32724	From: dvprc	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: chamelion

I have used the paint remover you refer to in the past still have some. Its not so untoxic Gave me a nosebleed. What it is really good for is paint touchup . In fact its rather fantastic in some situations. On the later Flyer box cars etc yo can retouch the worn edges and the like to the quality of the origional paint. Just take a little of it on a brush and go inside the boxcar tobe touched up and make a small puddle. Swirl the brush a bit and you will have an exact color touchup paint. Transfer it to the place you want to cover like worn edges. It won't work on the early enamels like on the Royal Blue .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32725	From: jt12313	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: S friendly shops in KC

Hello all, So... are there any trainshops in Kansas City that carry S gauge? Will be heading there for a few days. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32726	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S friendly shops in KC

Jeff, I am sorry to report that within the metropolitan area known as Greater Kansas City, a metropolis of nearly 2,000,000 souls, there is virtually no S gauge for sale, or even to view. Norman Hussey of Collectors' Choice Trains at 151st & Old Metcalf in Johnson County has AF in the attic of his store. Problem is catching him at the shop. His wife Sue is usually running the place, and doesn't take customers upstairs because Norm is the only one who knows where things are, and how much he wants for them. Ring them up before you head there, 913-681-6830 and tell them I said to call. There is one other place on North Oak Trafficway, Hobby Town, that used to have a dozen or so pieces of SHS track. Paul Stevens, former NASG president, lives north of the river also, and sells stuff out of his basement, but he will be at S Fest in Milwaukee Thursday through Sunday. Wish I had better news to report. PM Hobbies and Rocks, almost closed down now, has 9-#6 AM scale code 100 (or maybe code 80; doesn't say on the package) open frog turnouts. Everything in the shop is 50% off until most or all of it is sold. Phil will be there Friday morning only between 10:00 AM and Noon. He is located in Raytown, an eastern suburb. He also has some Plasticville. I can't even direct you to an S layout in a public place that is set up right now. We are re-tracking our modular layout. There are several O, HO and N layouts in various stages of setup at Union Station, second largest rail terminal in America, which I would recommend you visit if time permits. Admission to the building is free; it is spectacular and worth your time. Walk across the street to Crown Center from the Station via the elevated walkway and you can see three operating layouts, one O, one G and one Marklin HO. No S, but if you are into just watching trains run it would be fun. Nice folks running the shop, called Hall's Station on the third floor. Hope you have a good trip otherwise. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: jt12313 <jt12313@...> > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:20:36 -0500 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] S friendly shops in KC > > > Hello all, > > So... are there any trainshops in Kansas City that carry S gauge? > > Will be heading there for a few days. > > Jeff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32727	From: Phil K	Date: 10/27/2004
Subject: John Heck and junk

I've seen John's inventory at places like S-Fest and the N A S G Convention and he only brings the "Grade A" stuff to those events. I assume he did the same at York. He always has some really great "goodies," and a lot of it has come home with me in my truck. On the other hand, he usually brings a mix of both primo grade and what you refer to as "junk" both to the Midwest TCA Big Meets in Addison, Ill. (September, March)and the big GATS Midwest Train Show Sunday mornings once a month at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton, Ill. And the junk is right on TOP of the table, not under it. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32728	From: Lori	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: thanks

Thanks for everyone with the help for getting paint (including suggestions on how the painting should be done). My husband kept searching on the web and I said "Don't worry,I know who can tell me:)"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32729	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

John Heck always sells top of the line AF at York, but selling some lessor grades might increase sales when nothing is moving off one's table. Trains sitting on a table,not moving, doesn't create dollars you take to the bank. Although I am sure he does quite well in his sales, but a little bit more can't hurt. Just an opinion, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32730	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

John's a nice Guy..... Ask him... he might have what you need at home..... At shows you want to carry what will take the least amount of space for the most dollars.... Ie.. 1 700.00 car or 10 boxes of junk?... yes he does have other stuff under the table..... That's where I found the Circus Punchouts last April...... Yes high 1200..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] John Heck and junk > > > I've seen John's inventory at places like S-Fest and the N A S G > Convention and he only brings the "Grade A" stuff to those events. I > assume he did the same at York. He always has some really > great "goodies," and a lot of it has come home with me in my truck. > > On the other hand, he usually brings a mix of both primo grade and > what you refer to as "junk" both to the Midwest TCA Big Meets in > Addison, Ill. (September, March)and the big GATS Midwest Train Show > Sunday mornings once a month at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in > Wheaton, Ill. And the junk is right on TOP of the table, not under > it. > > One man's junk is another man's treasure. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32731	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: 24566 car carrier

Hello All, I'm looking for some original cars for the 24566 car carrier. I have the flat car, tractor and car hauler. If you have any cars you'd be willing to part with, please contact me off list. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32732	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: Semaphore button

I checked with rfgco.com and they have a booklet with all the control buttons, it lists each accessory and the button it uses, a wiring diagram and explanation. Sounds like a good thing to have. It is their item # RFG104 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > >in a group of contol buttons I recent purchased, was one control > >labeled AMERICAN FLYER SEMAPHORE MAN. It has one red button in the > >center. My Sam has a two button control for in and out. Does anyone > >know what was the single button control may have been used for? > >Doug > > The single button is for the earlier version of Sam where the button must be held down to stop the train and when let go releases the train. > > The same concept exists with the earlier versions of the magnetic crane. One button is used to swing the crane around, pick up the load, reverse, and when the the load is over the car the button is released to drop the load. The later versions have two buttons for better control. The improved later versions have an A appended to the model number. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32733	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

Nothing wrong with John Heck, Bob or any 1700 car. But I recall seeing the same 2200 dollar NW reefer, that he has had for years, that hasn't sold, that is tying up the dollars he used to buy this car, no matter what he paid for it. So, selling junk does sell much quicker and does bring in dollars that you take to the bank. And all not all train sellers are alike, as if he is happy with his overall sales, then that is fine with me, as I am a collector not a junk buyer, but then the junk buyers will fine what they are looking for in time. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32734	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

Mike.... the point I was making was 1 sale can make up for a whole car load of junk..... I was making a vanderbuilt tender in the 80's..... cut the tender.... but never got around to cutting up the Bakers Choc. tanker, which I paid about 4 .00 without wheels, to fit in it..... I am still cutting up Atlantics and Pacifics to make other things.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] John Heck and junk > > Nothing wrong with John Heck, Bob or any 1700 car. > > But I recall seeing the same 2200 dollar NW reefer, that he has had for > years, that hasn't sold, that is tying up the dollars he used to buy this > car, no matter what he paid for it. > > So, selling junk does sell much quicker and does bring in dollars that you > take to the bank. > > And all not all train sellers are alike, as if he is happy with his overall > sales, then that is fine with me, as I am a collector not a junk buyer, but > then the junk buyers will fine what they are looking for in time. > > Mike > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32735	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

Hi Bob, I understand that completely, as I sold food to restuarants for 20 years, and every sale is worth something, especially during a down time. If someone is happy making a 1700 dollar sale minus the intial cost of the item, plus expenses, then so be it. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32736	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Caution Trainroom Cleaning (Stuff for Sale)

While cleaning out my trainroom I have decided to clean out a couple of things to create space for other stuff. First item: Bowser Turntable, non motorized, Basically the base unit of square plywood with the circular dropdown area with circular running track. Turntable itself has the cast side skirt sections attached and an added top panel attached with SHS strax track on it, easily removed. It could be easily motorized. First $120. plus shipping gets it as is. I can take pictures and forward them. Second Item: S Gaugians, I have a pretty complete set back to the early 1970's and many issues back to 1968. I am missing only 1999. That is probably about 175 issues plus they are all in binders. If someone wants them all $150 plus shipping (2 large boxes, I small). If no one steps up for that in the next few days I will separate them by year and sell the binders separately ($1 per issue, $2.50 per binder, with $10 minimum plus shipping.) Needed item: The plastic truck spacers for S helper cars. These are in the package with the scale trucks to use when replacing out knuckle couplers. I need about 30 of these. I have SHS knuckle couplers and AF knuckle couplers to trade. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32737	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/28/2004
Subject: Figure 8's

I am building a new layout in the garage and it is funny, but there is never enough room. I use AM track and used a Pike-master Crossover and it seemed to work well. I may try it again. Painting the ties brown will help. I was looking for a broken one and then I would just mount AM rail on the Pike-master Crossover. If Gilbert just but the old rail on the Pike-master track with a bigger radius it would have looked good. The Switches would have been much cheaper. I have build a small tight switch card by cutting the curve part of the Pike-master Switches. It cuts the radius down. A Rex or new Dockside would be fun to run. So here is what I found out. I thought I could run a rail around the garage and link up the circles of the figure 8, but it looks like you can run the rails into reverse polarity like a Y or a reverse loop. So I just put dots around my line drawing on one side to see if I would run into any problems with polarity. I am not looking for great track design. I am looking for a way to keep all switches close to my control section, and want a lot of long sidings so that I could have a lot of long trains to run one at a time. Yes kid proofing. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32738	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: beautiful

Hi all, I received my MBIX billboard reefer and panel side hopper from "S" Helper" today. They are both beautiful with advanced sprung trucks and are a fine representative of our gauge. Thank you Don for greatly improving the quality level of my hobby! Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32739	From: Paul	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Warning! - verif‮noitaci‬ pro‮ec‬ss - Scam

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32740	From: Gregg	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: TM Videos - S layouts

Someone told me at York that TM Videos was looking for S layouts for their videos. Here is an opportunity to have your layout on one of their videos or recommend some of the many great layouts out there - permanant and temporary. Contact them at: tm@... TM Books & Video PO Box 279 New Buffalo, Michigan 49117 Apparently the S community has not been contacting them to offer layouts for taping. Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32741	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: S - figures, etc.

For those who are interested, I was in a Dollar Tree store the other day. They have a great selection of figures for Christmas, mostly 4 to a card , for a dollar. Called Windham Heights figures, etc. Also a railroad crossing signal, Christmas tree, street lights all electricfied for a dollar each. Very close to S scale. there are numerous figures, all hand painted, very well done. I could not beleive they were so cheap. Also trees, bushes, fence, hedges, etc.. Most of their house were not S scale though. I ended up spending about 35 dollars, there were so many to pick from. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32743	From: Bruce	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Bits and Pieces

I just spent the last hour or so catching up on the posts from the past week. Wow!! York... I hope to make it some day. I've only been to our small local shows and can't imagine what York is like - the trains and the people. Listening... I gave my son a set last Christmas consisting of an Atlantic and some K-Line cars. One quiet evening after the kids were in bed I ran his train slowly around the Christmas tree. A clicking sound alerted me to the track coming apart in one spot, so I pushed the pieces back together. In the silence, however, I realized that's what real trains sound like. I stopped the train and pulled each track section apart by about 1/16". When I restarted the train I had a beautiful clickity-clak sound as the train moved steadily around the loop. Something to think about when I build a permanent layout. Junk... Restoration of junk is the only way I can afford the nicer engines. And its fun and rewarding to make something that's old and run down look relatively new again and operate well, too. Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32744	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/29/2004
Subject: Here ...GOOSEY >>GOOSEY >>...# 5

I had the pleasure of meeting Don (SHS)..this past summer at the Seattle show ....we had a very good chat ...at which time I asked Don ..What was the chances of him producing the Galloping Goose ...I have seen them advertised in On3 and in O scale ..But I AM S Guage FLYER ..and I dont want anything BUT S...He told me that the tooling cost would be high..BUT I figured... that if there was enough orders that it might be possible maybe in the future ...Well I went down to 2 shows and have talked it up a lot ..to other S members (over 40)...and the answers to my question at these meets would you S guys Buy a Goose if it was produced ...they were all Positive ...Now I know Money talks ..but maybe if you all out there were talk and ask around ...and if others would do what I would be willing to do and Pay up front for a Goose ...maybe Don could check some figures and let us know if it would be at all possible for the near future ???/...What about it Don ...any chance yet for us to have what all those other scales get before us ..?????? For the uninformed ..What Is a Goose ..???..a little American railroad History.!!! In 1937 Colorado the Rio Grande Southern ran a contraption made up of a Pierce Arrow car (8 Cyl)that had a dozen wheels of iron a cow catcher welded to the front(changed to a snow plow in the Colorado winters) that had a boxcar welded to its rear (for freight)it carried a dozen passengers including the driver and conductor..Silver in color big #5 painted on its side,it ran the highs and lows of the state servicing the miners and local communities...Pics can be found on the web ...it and a few others like it met its demise on one of Col. many mountainous curves .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32745	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Goosey Goosey,

Ed, You will be happy to know that not only is the No. 5 still around, it has been restored to operational status. And now all of the geese exist, From the Prewar Buick website, written by Karl Schaeffer, who replicated goose #1;"These rail motors were immensely successful and kept the railroad operating for 20 years. This was neither the first nor the only time automobile-based rail buses were used. But owing to their success at the time, and their remarkable route, the Galloping Geese are now famous and the object of devoted followers all over the world. Geese numbers 2 through 7 all survive to this day. Numbers 1 and 2 were Buick based, Nos. 3-7 were Pierce-Arrow based. The original RGS No. 1 was built in the Ridgway shops in 1931 from a 1925-45 or very early 1926-45 (Master Six Touring car). There were no drawings, just a lot of hayseed creativity. For a total cost of less than $850, it was finished on June 1,1931 and went into service that month between Telluride and Dolores Colorado on a 130 mile daily roundtrip schedule." Neat, huh? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32746	From: Al Kielek	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces

Hey Bruce! It's a great hobby, with many facets to it. When I first got into it in 1984, all I could afford is junkers, that I would re-build and sometimes resell to other people then buy more stuff! Run your trains at the local shows and you will be able to get great leads on trains for sale. Enjoy the hobby with your kids, sounds like your on the right track :>) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bits and Pieces > > > I just spent the last hour or so catching up on the posts from the > past week. Wow!! > > York... I hope to make it some day. I've only been to our small > local shows and can't imagine what York is like - the trains and the > people. > > Listening... I gave my son a set last Christmas consisting of an > Atlantic and some K-Line cars. One quiet evening after the kids were > in bed I ran his train slowly around the Christmas tree. A clicking > sound alerted me to the track coming apart in one spot, so I pushed > the pieces back together. In the silence, however, I realized that's > what real trains sound like. I stopped the train and pulled each > track section apart by about 1/16". When I restarted the train I had > a beautiful clickity-clak sound as the train moved steadily around > the loop. Something to think about when I build a permanent layout. > > Junk... Restoration of junk is the only way I can afford the nicer > engines. And its fun and rewarding to make something that's old and > run down look relatively new again and operate well, too. > > Bruce W. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32747	From: jt12313	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: More junk to jewels

I have been modifying and repainting baldwins in late Rock Island Blue and white. I am using the new trucks,side frames and window inserts from the new Flyonel Baldwins and original stamped frames. I am also making a yard slug out of a parts Baldwin shell and sheet plastic. If it is in bad shape to begin, I have no problem doing a repaint to a line from the Midwest. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32748	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: For more on the goose & pictures....

Just type Galloping Goose in your Google search or go here: http://www.gallopinggoose.org/ There are some great pictures of all seven of the geese. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32749	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Fw: Cold Heat

----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Cold Heat I can't recall who was expressing regret about ordering the Cold Heat soldering kit and/or not receiving the kit. But, do not loose hope or become too distraught. Today, I was like Ralphie, of "A Christmas Story" fame, opening his Little Orphan Annie de-coder ring. My long-awaited Cold Heat kit arrived. Unfortunately, I have only three (the Cold Heat takes four) new and unused AA batteries in the house. So the Cold Heat will have to wait for the next trip to Sam's for batteries in-bulk. Also, unfortunately, per the Precautions included with the Cold Heat, per the State of California, the Cold Heat will produce, "...cancer and birth defects (or other reproductive harm)." I guess the Californians could cross into Oregon, Nevada, or Arizona for safety's sake before firing up their Cold Heat. Man, I wouldn't want to hazard that, "other reproductive harm," that CA envisions and engenders. The anti-Viagra maybe? {:-)> Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32750	From: roy inman	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Fw: Cold Heat

Gerry, and all; I just re-read the instructions that came with my Cold Heat iron, and it sounds more like it is the actual solder and flux that causes cancer in lab rat S gaugers <grin>: "This product, when used for soldering and similar applications, produces chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, etc., etc.,..Flux fumes from soldering and de-soldering can be harmful, especially when using lead-based solder." And I have seen the same warning on most other soldering irons/guns, solder and flux. So it may be a common "hazard" accompanying any soldering process, with the Cold Heat or others. I got the additional tips with mine, and the smallest one seems the best for the kind of stuff I work with. It took me a few minutes to catch onto how to apply the tip to the work to get it to operate. Once that small learning curve was rounded, it worked very, very smoothly. I really like the fact that the solder doesn't seem to build up on the tip. I am such a sloppy solderer that I have to constantly clean and re-tin the tip of a standard soldering gun. I have also been known to burn a cord in two. The Cold Heat is of course cordless and really does cool down in a very few seconds. Heat up is virtually instantaneous. It is not intended for plumbing work or dense metal soldering. I have been soldering feeder wires on one of my train buddy's HO layout and it works very well for that. I hope to have a chance to try it on our club's S modular layout to see how it works on the heavier rail. If you already have a cordless soldering iron, you probably won't want to make the investment in this one. According to the web site, a unit that will use rechargeable AA's is in the works. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders <bestofshow@...> > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:41:44 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Cold Heat > > Also, unfortunately, per the Precautions included with the Cold Heat, per the > State of California, the Cold Heat will produce, "...cancer and birth defects > (or other reproductive harm)."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32751	From: Phil K	Date: 10/30/2004
Subject: Fall S Fest photos

Just returned from the Saturday evening Fall S Fest banquet, and since I had my digital camera and laptop with me (and high-speed Internet in my hotel room), was able to quickly get some of the photos I took posted for your viewing pleasure. And yes, that's how I spent my extra hour on this night we turn the clocks back. I'll file a report on the show soon. Here's a link to the photos: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup21 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32752	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles

Anyone know the distance that telephone poles should be apart for an S gauge layout? Thanks, Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32753	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose

As many of you may know, there is a "galloping goose" on display at the Railroad Museum in Golden, Colorado. Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32754	From: andrew_klarmann	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: 644 Green Boom

Good morning all. I am in need of a replacement green boom for the Flyer 644 Brownhoist car. If anyone has one or knows of one please e-mail. Thanks in advance. Andy K.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32755	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles

The power / telephone poles in my neighborhood are about 240' apart..... which relates to about 3'-9" in "S"...... I would think about 18" to 20" would look better.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles > > Anyone know the distance that telephone poles should be apart for an S gauge > layout? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32756	From: nasglibrary	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Mobley Library will be closed from Monday Nov. 1 through Monday Nov. 8. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32757	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest photos

Hi Phil Great photos, thanks for sharing them. Wish I could have made it. Looks like a great time, I'll look forward to your report John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x At 01:21 10/31/2004, Phil K wrote: >Just returned from the Saturday evening Fall S Fest banquet, and >since I had my digital camera and laptop with me (and high-speed >Internet in my hotel room), was able to quickly get some of the >photos I took posted for your viewing pleasure. > >And yes, that's how I spent my extra hour on this night we turn the >clocks back. > >I'll file a report on the show soon. > >Here's a link to the photos: > >http://s-scale.org/albums/albup21 > >Phil K > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32758	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Engine Motor

I have a 290 at that I rewired. It runs but twice as fast backwards as it does forwards. I have checked the wiring, motor, etc but can find nothing that is not correct. Any possible answers would be appreciated. Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32759	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32760	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor

Just a thought but most engines spend their life running forward.... therefore bearings, gears, etc. wear more in this realm than in reverse...... Similar to what a real train experiences..... squealing wheels!!!! on a curve one wheel has to slide slightly while the other turns.... the sharper the radius the more the wear..... by always running in one direction, say left turns only, you will find that eventually one wheel wears out.....LGB trains are bad about this in around the store type layouts.... reversing the train smoothes the wear.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Manning" <clifma19@...> To: "S-Train" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine Motor > > I have a 290 at that I rewired. It runs but twice as fast backwards as > it does forwards. I have checked the wiring, motor, etc but can find > nothing that is not correct. > > Any possible answers would be appreciated. > > Clifford Manning > Topeka, Ks > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32761	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Re Engine Motor

sometimes this condition may be caused by too many(or not enough) shim washers on the armature shaft,worn brass bushings in chassis and/or brush holder.run the engine upside down in a engine cradle and see where the armature runs front to rear relative to which way the motor is turning.hope this helps. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32762	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/31/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose

Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.) wrote: As many of you may know, there is a "galloping goose" on display at the Railroad Museum in Golden, Colorado. ----------------- Actually, Colorado Railroad Museum owns three "geese", numbers 2, 6, and 7. 6 is the "work goose", which looks like a flatbed truck 2 and 7 were not modified with Wayne bus bodies, like 3, 4 , and 5 were, so CRM has the "original version" ones, although RGS had modified 7's freight compartment so it could haul passengers. As for the other geese, 3 is at Knott's Berry Farm in California, if I remember correctly. 4 is on display in Telluride, and 5, as mentioned earlier, is usually at Dolores, but has been hauled over to both the Cumbres and Toltec, and Durango and Silverton, and run on those railroads. A galloping goose is definitely an unusual piece of equipment. It's neat that some have been restored to run. C.R.M. is a great place to visit, with lots of neat trains and displays. To keep this on topic, I'm sure that Galloping Geese have been made in Sn3. I don't read much about Sn3 on the list; is there a list just for Sn3? Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32763	From: Paul	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Galloping Goose Website

http://www.gallopinggoose.org/ Some great old pictures, and even has a forum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32764	From: roy inman	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Joe's Train Repair

Joe, Please contact me off list. Thanks :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32765	From: race944t	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Junk & York

I guess my junk was not displayed prominently enough. Tim, I guess you missed the cabooses priced at $10 each, the 925 Gulf's at $12 each, the various boxcars from $10 to $18 each and the 20 or so gondolas from $10 to $15 each. To price them under this would be to price them less than parts value. I'm glad you think these items are excellent, but I'm not likely to grade the stuff under the table as excellent. Believe me, next time I'll have a sign with arrows that says look under the table for bargains. Thank you for your suggestion. Upon thinking about this, I may have a different definition of junk. Junk is stuff that still runs, parts are only pieces of junk. Hey, Tim, maybe we are onto something here. Maybe Greenberg and TM (and maybe even TCA) need to include price lines for Junk and parts. Have I opened a can of worms that will create even more "Banter" about Junk and Parts. Dear God I hope not. End of subject for me. Bill Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:28:02 -0400 From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Subject: Junk & York Bill Clark & everyone, I visited your table at York, Bill. I looked on top and underneath. I couldn't find any junk. I believe what you call junk under your table is what most people would call excellent. What I call junk is that which is unusable, save for parts, whether they be gently removed or cut off with a saw. I challenge you and all other dealers to bring their junk to York in April. Now, we probably shouldn't continue this thread on junk or York, for that matter too much longer, or we'll get hollered at and told to stifle ourselves. I have some junk to process, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32766	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: GE Genesis Locomotive Plans sought

I need to know where to find plans for a GE Genesis locomotive. Amusing, I don't need the plans, I just need to know where they are. (I also needed to know where Viewliner plans were. I found these in Model Railroader, January 1997.) Thank you for your efforts. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32767	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Atlanta Train Show This Weekend

Your list sponsor (me) will have several tables of AF goodies for sale. The show is Saturday and Sunday at the Norcross Trade Center. See you there! If there is something on my list that you want me to bring, e-mail me before I leave(by Thursday). The list can be seen at http://americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-484501349-1099326606=:78421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Your list sponsor (me) will have several tables of AF goodies for sale. The show is Saturday and Sunday at the Norcross Trade Center. See you there! If there is something on my list that you want me to bring, e-mail me before I leave(by Thursday). The list can be seen at http://americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-484501349-1099326606=:78421-- Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. - www.yahoo.com/a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32768	From: jaytewilli	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Flyer Decal Removal

Question for the group: What's the best method you've come across for removing damaged original decals from Flyer equipment that doesn't affect the paint, etc......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32769	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/1/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA 1994 YorkRail Box Car

This is from the TCA list. Does anyone have any information on this car, that I can pass along to this person. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Rankin" <lionelllc@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [toytrains] TCA 1994 YorkRail Box Car > > > > For the 1994 TCA National Convention, held in York, PA, the TCA > issued an S Gauge Box Car decorated with the roadname, YorkRail. > It's the only piece of S Gauge I own, and no, I don't intend to > persue that gauge (scale?) any further. > > Does anyone know who was responsible for the development of that > car? I have some questions about the creation process. > > Stu > > > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32770	From: Al Kielek	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer Decal Removal

Hello........warm water will work and also Walthers Solveset will also work...Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Decal Removal > > > Question for the group: What's the best method you've come across > for removing damaged original decals from Flyer equipment that > doesn't affect the paint, etc...... > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32771	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: John Heck and junk

We had the good fortune to have our table adjacent to John Heck's at the S Fest this past weekend, he was across from our 5' X 9' layout. He had two rows of table, back to back. On Saturday, he announced his first sale, and all items on 4 tables were discounted, I think it started at 10%, and a crowd formed. As the day went on, every hour, he dropped the price a little more and a flurry of activity followed. I think the biggest cloud of dust occurred after the 50% sale was announced. At the end, only a handful of items remained on John's sale table when the final "Everything is FREE" with the last mad scramble. It was truly a fun event to witness. Don PS One other fortunate experience this past weekend was a second Barb spotting (and hug) in 2 weeks. We ought to ask here how she found the two events different as it was her first S Fest

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32772	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor

<<<<It runs but twice as fast backwards as it does forwards. I have checked the wiring, motor, etc but can find nothing that is not correct. Any possible answers would be appreciated. >>>> A common AF "malady"........check one of our website "AF Repair Clinics" for several suggestions. If Tom Jarcho were still with us, he'd tell you that it is almost certainly an armature problem.....try replacing or rewinding it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32773	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: CIRCUS SET SPOOF

All..... I bid on the Circus set.... 2222.22 it went for much more.... but I don't need 2 sets.... after the auction i and all the others received the following spoof mail..... so watch out..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: - Harry - Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: SP91011 your recent report to eBay's Trust and Safety Department (KMM138750780V28532L0KM) hERE IS WHAT HE SENT ME..... BOB Dear Sir, I am right now in UK (London) and I think I will stay here for a while. I take the unit here and from here I will make the shipping! The shipping will be done via UPS and the package will reach to you in max. 2 days and the package will be put in transit from the moment you have make the payment! Don`t worry about the shipping taxes because they will be covered by me, included the insurance of the package. For the reason I am in UK now, and I can`t use my banks accounts , for payment I will request WesternUnion or MoneyGram i hope this will be no problem because you saw that I am a trust man with only good intentions! Kindest Regards! In a message dated 11/2/2004 6:30:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: WHAT IS THE TOTAL AND HOW CAN PAYMENT BE MADE? ROBERT ALLEN CONNER 11644 SAINT JOSEPHS ROAD JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32223 NEED NAME AND ADDRESS FOR PAYMENT..... CAN YOU TAKE PAYPAL? ----- Original Message ----- From: MiFshr@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Circus Set Hi, The winner of my auction didn't pay for the item and ebay advised me to use Second Chance Offer to sell my product.If you want to go ahead with this transaction please let me know and I'll contact eBay.You'll receive from them instructions regarding the payment method. Everything will be made through eBay.The eBay will be totally responsable if anything should happen to our transaction and there for you or me will not have any loss!! I need your full name and full address for shipping and your eBay user ID and the item no.! With Regards! In a message dated 11/1/2004 5:21:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Can you give me more info on the set you have..... what happened to the high bidder? Bob > You expressed interest in an item titled American Flyer 5002T Circus Train, 1950, MINT Item number: 5929757942 , by bidding,however the auction has ended with another member as the high bidder.In compliance with eBay policy,the seller of that item is making this Second Chance Offer to you at your bid price of US $2,222.22 > The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the transaction or the seller has duplicate items for sale.If you accept this offer,you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for eBay services associated with a transaction,such as fraud protection. > To purchase this item, don't reply to this mail,just contact the seller at MiFshr@.... > To learn more about Second Chance Offer go to: > http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.html > Thank you, > > This message was sent with BayMail, > the easy way to send email through eBay! > http://hammertap.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32774	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles

Dear Mike: I find poles look best on a model railroad when they are 125 scale feet apart. 300 feet is more accurate for the prototype. In S Scale 125 feet is close to 23.5 inches. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:23:18 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles Anyone know the distance that telephone poles should be apart for an S gauge layout? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles

Re: [toytrains] Telephone PolesThanks Thorin, as someone on the TCA list was asking about O gauge and I never thought about this, as someday, I have to that layout! But then I will use underground cable or maybe satilite! My layout will be with the times, not dating back to the days of Morse code lines! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: mlmarmer ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles Dear Mike: I find poles look best on a model railroad when they are 125 scale feet apart. 300 feet is more accurate for the prototype. In S Scale 125 feet is close to 23.5 inches. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:23:18 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [toytrains] Telephone Poles Anyone know the distance that telephone poles should be apart for an S gauge layout? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32776	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/2/2004
Subject: Steel Coil Car

It is easy to build a Steel Coil Car by using Lionel 027 Steel Coil containers. I stared one and build it to fit the Lionel 027 containers. That is where all your detail it. I saw it in a Mag. and will try and find it, but my stuff is in storage since I am building a new layout. So the model could be built quickly by using Lionel containers that match the link of the Gulf Moble car in the 11/02 e-mail.http://home.mindspring.com/paducah/icg40.htm Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32777	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF

Be wary of anything out of the country and in the country too for that matter that request Western Union. There is little opportunity for you to file any type of claim for non-shipment. It's not by chance that most of the eBay scams are using this type of payment request. I speak from experience of a good friend burned in a computer purchase by someone north of the border. gary On 11/2/04 5:57 PM, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > All..... I bid on the Circus set.... 2222.22 it went for much more.... but I > don't need 2 sets.... after the auction i and all the others received the > following spoof mail..... so watch out..... Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32778	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: engine slow forward and fast backwards

Try leveling the copper plate on the armature I used to put armature in drill press and then use a fine file and sand paper to level and polish the plate. Be careful of your fingers. The indentation is caused by brush arcing Or replace springs with stronger ones OR use two Flyer springs in each side of the brush holder Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32779	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC

The original seller was totally on the up and up..... Have worked with him before...... This is something someone else got into to try to scam others...... So I guess we better be careful..... I have on ocassion worked offline with a bidder I had contacted after a reserve wasn't met.... all worked out ok.... I found an Airplane on ebay the other day...... It was copied from a magazine and posted for sale....SCAM...... Have seen several bogus items lately...... Have never encountered scams in trains until now.... Guess we need to be more careful..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32780	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC

Another reply from another bidder.... Bob Dear chief-pile-it, Hello, Yes I received second chance offer for the item. In fact I received 2 second chance offers from 2 different people for the same item! I alerted the ebay fraud center about the situation. Did you receive the same?? I have discontinued correspondence with both offerors. Let me know, I would be interested to see if you are involved in the same apparent scam. Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32781	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC

Jay..... It appears about 8-9 of us bidders were contacted.... the note below is from one guy who had 2 Diff offers on the same item..... from 2 people..... ob ----- Original Message ----- From: john crotty To: robert allen conner Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC hi BOB -at reviewing the correspondence - is two a valid total of spammers you,have encountered in the post on the circus engine. JAY 11/03/04 11:17EST. robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: Another reply from another bidder.... Bob Dear chief-pile-it, Hello, Yes I received second chance offer for the item. In fact I received 2 second chance offers from 2 different people for the same item! I alerted the ebay fraud center about the situation. Did you receive the same?? I have discontinued correspondence with both offerors. Let me know, I would be interested to see if you are involved in the same apparent scam. Regards, Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com</a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32782	From: G Nichol	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC

Hi! I have seen one postwar Santa Fe freight set on ebay three times from different sellers using the same pictures and description. One can easily copy any photo and text off ebay and relist it. However, these guys wait 90 days so the completed auction doesn't show up in the results listing. My dad actually bid on the last one not knowing. I quickly retracted his bid. 2 days later he got an email from ebay SafeHarbor stating that the seller was fraudulent and the auction cancelled. And yes payment had to be made to the UK via Western Union. Stay well all! Greg Nicholas >From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> >To: <JAY@...>,<s-trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:57:50 -0500 > > >The original seller was totally on the up and up..... Have worked with him >before...... This is something someone else got into to try to scam >others...... So I guess we better be careful..... I have on ocassion worked >offline with a bidder I had contacted after a reserve wasn't met.... all >worked out ok.... I found an Airplane on ebay the other day...... It was >copied from a magazine and posted for sale....SCAM...... Have seen several >bogus items lately...... Have never encountered scams in trains until >now.... Guess we need to be more careful..... Bob > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32783	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: CIRCUS SET SPOOF - OFF TOPIC

There is an interesting article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today about luxury car scams on eBay. They interviewed a guy who owns several classic cars in the Atlanta metro area. Recently his 1967 Shelby GT 500 was offered on eBay with a starting bid of $8,600 including overseas shipping and door-to-door delivery!!! Not bad for a $100,000 car. This was at least the fifth time this car had been on eBay fraudulently. And the scam was the seller was liquidating his recently passed away brother's estate in the UK. I guess I'll have to start checking from time to time to make sure no one is trying to sell my 64 1/2 Mustang convertible. I guess all some crook would have to do is take a couple of photos at a car show and list it on eBay. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32784	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

851 NWX 40' wood reefer 7-26 http://mopac1.tripod.com/851.gif 852 Midwest Railcar 60' boxcar 8-03 http://mopac1.tripod.com/852.gif 853 Midwest Railcar 3 bay covered hopper 10-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/853.gif 854 CTRN 50' coal gon 7-03 http://mopac1.tripod.com/854.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32785	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Operating car conversions

I am a newcomer to S gauge. I have a couple of Lionel 0-27 type operating cars left from my days in the Ordinary gauge. They are the milk car and the operating stock car. These are complete with the platforms and all parts. Has anyone converted these to S gauge? Am I correct in assuming that all AF operating cars used the outside third rail? These cars look as though they would be good conversion items because the bodies are very close to 3/16 scale. My intent is to convert them and use them on the layout my wife and I are building. Any help is appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32786	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars

Hi Folks Between today and tomorrow I will be shipping HW's out to the folks who ordered both Pullman Green and Tuscan. Soon I hope to get the Two Tone Gray's and then the Canadian National John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32787	From: flyerkid1935	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Turnout question

Hi to all! My question is: I'm using K-line wide radius track with rubber roadbed, I think it's about a 27 inch radius curve. Are there any 27 inch turnouts out there that I could use with the K-line track? Or is there anyway that a American Flyer turnout could be converted into a 27 inch turnout using k-line curves?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32788	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: Engine Motor

"Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > <<<<It runs but twice as fast backwards as > it does forwards. I have checked the wiring, motor, etc but can find > nothing that is not correct. > > Any possible answers would be appreciated. > >>>> > > If Tom Jarcho were still with us, he'd tell you that it is almost certainly an armature problem.....try replacing or rewinding it. I think instead of rewinding it, Tom would have recommended resurfacing the armature commutator face. This faster in reverse was discussed ad nauseum on the list a long time ago. I think that the consensus was that the commutator face gets worn down so that the brushes have to step up onto the next plate section which causes excessive friction going forward, but when running in reverse the brushes are unencumbered when leaving the high edge of the previous plate and dropping down onto the next section. He describes his method for manually sanding an armature here in the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/11895 And in the FAQ is more info and another solution by Chuck F: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/syndrome.html Here is Tom's post From: jarcho@r... Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 12:05 am Subject: faster in reverse For those who didn't see it: "In steam locos with end mounted commutators, wear on the commutator often causes poor forward performance. Specifically if you notice elliptical wear marks on one side (the same side) of each slot in the commutator, that will be what is causing the loco to run worse in forward. You may have to wipe off the commutator to see this. If you find this wear, you have to sand it out. To do this, drill a hole in a flat block of scrap wood to accommodate the short end of the armature shaft. Cut some #400 and #600 sandpaper into strips about 1 inch wide. Punch holes in the center of the strip every inch or so with a paper punch. Stick the short end of the armature shaft thru one of the holes in the sandpaper with the abrasive surface facing the commutator plates,and on into the hole in the wood block. Push down and turn the armature with your fingers. What this will do is sand the commutator down to a flat surface. As the paper gets clogged with residue, switch to the next hole in the paper. Use the #400 paper first and then the #600 to give a smooth finish once the pits are out of the commutator. If the damage is really deep, start with #280 or #320 sandpaper or it will take you all night to sand out the pits. When finished, brush away all dust and residue with a clean dry paint brush. " This will cure the f in r syndrome in most cases. I'm sure a lathe does a more precise job under skilled hands, but this manual method has worked well for me, well over a hundred times. It deals with correcting a wear pattern caused by arcing in a flat (true)commutator, not a warped or buckled commutator. Probably takes care of minor commutator warping too though. This wear pattern does not seem to occur in side mounted commutators. Could it be because the side mounted brushes are square? You have to be very careful when chucking an armature into a power tool. The metal of the armature shaft is soft, and can easily be bent by the weight of the plates and windings, especially in the large motor armature, if uneven pressure is applied to it. Much better if the armature shaft can be supported at both ends. Tom jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32789	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2453

re: Tom Jarcho Made me feel good to see Tom's words still fixing trains on this list Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32790	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Tom Jarcho

I doubt I'm alone when I say I missed seeing Tom's Roundhouse column in the latest issue of S Gaugian. His absence leaves a huge hole in the overall quality of that magazine, and it was one of the main reasons I subscribed. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32791	From: Gregg	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: WNYSSA 2005 AF/S Calendars

The Western NY S Scale Association is offering custom printed calendars for 2005 with pictures of S in action each month - including our modular layout. The prepaid price is $30 due to the small quantity and custom printing. If we get enough orders to get a break on printing costs and can reduce the price we will. Contact me off list if you are interested. Gregg Mummert gmummert@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32792	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Fall S-Fest report

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this review are strictly my own. I got into Waukesha late Thursday night and spent many enjoyable hours over four days hob-nobbing with my fellow S gaugers. The Badgerland gang did a great job of organizing and putting on a credible show. Got up early Friday morning for the tour of Kalmbach Publishing Co., which we enjoyed thoroughly. Had a great and amicable tour guide, and it was really special to see in person some of the layouts featured in their magazines (I subscribe to four: Classic Toy Trains, Trains, Classic Trains and Model Railroader.) Also enjoyed conversations with the photography staff that shoots product and layout photos. They have all of the latest technology, and for those who still claim film/slides are better than digital, let it be known they are 100 percent digital. Left Kalmbach and headed over to the Waukesha County Expo Center for Friday morning's setup. A lot of great items were sold, and before the first official hour of the show had passed, I had nearly expended the balance in my checking account. I picked up a boxed 5002T circus train set in E condition (missing the hard-to-find cutouts & tickets), plus a 289 steamer, an VHS CNN F3 A-B set, and several goodies from Tom Hodgson's American HiRail offerings. Tom had some of his limited edition Burlington Pioneer Zephyr 9900 four- piece sets, so I bought the AC version plus two prototype E5 shovelnose diesel shells that fit over an Alco PA chassis. One is prepainted for Rock Island (I think), the other (chrome) for CB&Q. I plan to turn that one into a 9911A Nebraska Zephyr with decals to run with my chrome AM Burlington Budd passenger cars, just like the proto at the Illinois Rail Museum -- as seen in the movie "A League of Their Own." S-Helper Service had its traveling layout operating, which commanded a lot of attention, along with plenty of cool stuff for sale. American Models was also on hand, and I bought two 3-piece spline car sets for $45 each, their show special. I also bought about 25 steam-period cars and trucks from Mac McGrath. Lionel, though, was nowhere to be found in the exhibit hall. My guess is with the recent corporate shakeout (20+ pink slips), they weren't organized enough yet to get someone there. There was plenty of A.C. Gilbert Flyer to be had (both pristine stuff as well as junk), as well as VHS and AM stuff on tables around the room -- some at decent prices, some grossly overpriced. Caveat emptor, right? From the seminar menu I chose one on foam scenery techniques presented by Marty Glass, the timing of which was great because I will be doing a lot of that on my layout in the next few weeks to get things ready for holiday visitors. Marty did a wonderful job and I walked out of that room energized and ready to get started at home. Ran into several members of this list: Barb Rudnicki, Fred Jester, Thorin Marty and Bill McKie, who had a table next to ours (Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers). Also Don Thompson and Doug Peck, both of whom seemed busy answering questions and ringing up sales. And I might add that AM's Ron Bashista was very pleasant and helpful, too. The traffic was moderate on Friday, but jumped up a couple of notches on Saturday. Most of the dealers seemed pleased with the amount of sales. The Badgerland guys had a small-but-efficient layout operating near the entrance, which also drew a lot of attention, but I wish somehow more kids would have been there to see it and be introduced to S. One negative thing: I noticed was that while the Expo Center's electric signboard on the street trumpeted "Fall S Fest" and the days and hours, it lacked the words "Train Show" -- how many people driving past would know what "Fall S Fest" is? On the main stage was the early start of a reproduction of a massive A.C. Gilbert display layout originally done in O Scale and later converted to two-rail 3/16s trackage. Can't wait to see it when they get finished. Saturday night was the banquet, quite well-attended and the Wisconsin-style food buffet was terrific! It was great to meet and chat with S gaugers from all over the country, too. Got back to the hotel late Saturday and used the extra hour from DST's passing to post 18 photos I took at the show -- they're on the site Paul Yorke set up for me: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup21 Got up early Sunday morning and made two of the seven layout tours scheduled. Met and visited with some wonderful people, too. BSG member Steve Lunde's layout was superbly scenicked, and I was especially interested because I also run AM track. And then heading south, I stopped by Brad Nelson's home and his is equally spectacular in detail, even though the one featured in TM's original American Flyer Vol. 1 video no longer exists. Both of these guys have a good handle on making a layout jump out at you; both layouts are very well-organized in the relatively small space, and both are near-museum quality, in my opinion. And it wasn't hard to get them to explain how and why they did things. All in all, a great weekend, and if you missed it, you missed a great time. Can't wait until the next one in South Beloit, Wis., sponsored by the State Line S Gaugers. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32793	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Apologies to Don Thompson and SHS

Apparently, my spell-checker on several occasions decided "SHS" in my report about Fall S-Fest should be changed to "VHS." It will be severely punished, sent to bed without dinner. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32794	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: eBay scams continue

I, too, got the phony "second chance offering" emails on the mint $4,995 5002T circus set that recently sold on eBay, supposedly offering it to me at my high bid price, which actually was quite far down the list of bids. The price offered to me was too good to be true, and of course, it was. Last night, I got another, offering me a second chance at a Meteor set that recently sold for a big number. I forwarded both emails to eBay and got a reply this morning that the second one was also a scam. Cyberspace can be deceptive. Be careful out there, kids, and let's keep passing along the warnings -- before someone here get burned by one of these clever crooks. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32795	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

Today's S Gaugian came in the mail today and it was completely different with Tom's column gone. As the editor in a small bit for Tom, said they are looking for a replacement, as that will be a hard thing to do, as Tom did a great job with the column. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tom Jarcho > > > I doubt I'm alone when I say I missed seeing Tom's Roundhouse column > in the latest issue of S Gaugian. His absence leaves a huge hole in > the overall quality of that magazine, and it was one of the main > reasons I subscribed. > > Phil K > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] HO HO NO NO GO "S"!

This is from the TCA list, as again, Jerry, switch from O to S this year and has some very good experiences with Don of S Helper, in which I will write about soon. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtoytrain@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [toytrains] HO HO NO NO GO "S"! > > > Hello > > If you want to change gauge in model railroading, I highly recommend "S" Gauge! > After being a 3 railers for 35 plus years and I still love it! I decided to start work on a new layout in "S" gauge, more and more products are being made > available by LIONEL!!!!! (American Flyer) , K-Line, S-Helper, American Models and they are great. You get 1/64 Scale verses 1/48, more room to "railroad" > and you have TWO RAILS! (just kidding My 3 rail buddies) It has brought > a NEW ness to model railroading to me and I love it! You can blame the 2 RAIL conversion on Mike Marmer and Barb Rudnicki! Thanks guys! > > Jerry "S" Matsick > Jacksonville > > >> Going HO is viewed as a bad thing by some folk. Lessee now. <snip> HO has come a very long way, and in just the last ten or so years toward better equipment and track, and a standardized command control system. Stirling Woodin > > > When I first got back into trains in 1992, I was thinking of going back to HO for the layout, but I was torn of really getting into S again, because the size is perfect and I remember so badly, how the HO cars would constantly derail!Mike Marmer > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32797	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video

Here's a link to Lionel's sharp-looking new 0-6-0 switcher. There's a video available. http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/459pzjrk.a sp After seeing and hearing the video, I sure hope the new American Flyer docksiders have a better whistle. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32798	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: First time for me!

I don't think I have ever seen these come up before, but it is actually a long truck Pullman 652. I have seen a lot of people claim to sell them, but this one is for real; item #5931252157 on eBay. Fun just to see the pictures. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32799	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video

In a message dated 11/5/2004 4:13:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: I sure hope the new American Flyer docksiders have a better whistle. As with the original, the new AF 0-6-0 will not have a whistle. That why we all have 566s. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32800	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: whats Black TRACK

I HEAR AND HAVE NOTED THAT THERE WAS A "american flyer" TRACK SECTION CALLED BLACK TRACK!They say the rail finish was in a black enamel paint". Was that done to improve insulating against "shorts"?and was it popular?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32801	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: whats Black TRACK

I believe the sides of the rails were painted black in 1946 only. It was for appearance purposes, but was discontinued... http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32802	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: whats Black TRACK

Black track was supplied in 1946 and 1947 sets.... the black was mainly for looks..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "polpolk9" <polpolk9@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] whats Black TRACK > > > > I HEAR AND HAVE NOTED THAT THERE WAS A "american flyer" TRACK SECTION > CALLED BLACK TRACK!They say the rail finish was in a black enamel > paint". Was that done to improve insulating against "shorts"?and was > it popular? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32803	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Before and after

Hi, Someone on the List suggested I post a "before" and "after" series of pics when I do a rehab project, so I did. I re-did an old, junker Guilford Station and car I picked up somewhere as a set at the bottom of a junk box for about $35. I had my doubts, but after tearing them both apart and redoing them - fabricating parts as necessary, this is the result on Paul's s-scale.org/albums site: http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?page=1 It runs great. It's just too easy. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Before and after

http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?page=1 Linkie no workie... :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32805	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Bad link?

Let's try THIS one: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32806	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video

Bob -- Thanks for straightening me out. Didn't know the new AF Docksiders came sans tooter. I did order two of each, though, I guess because at least they smoke and chug. Methinks better no whistle at all than the one Lionel stuck in their O gauge 0-6-0. That is, if the audio on the Kalmbach video is accurate. Phil K _____________________________________________________________________ > I sure hope the new American Flyer docksiders have a better whistle. > > As with the original, the new AF 0-6-0 will not have a whistle. That why we > all have 566s. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32807	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: American High Rail Burlington Zephyr info+

>>Have you run the Zephyr? How does it look? Will it compete with the Lionel O Zephyr which is impressive? How do I acquire one? Thank you. Marvin<< >>I noticed in your comments that you mentioned a Tom Hodgson/American Hi-Rail and the Burlington Pioneer Zepher 9900 four piece set he has produced in AC. Hopefully you can take the time to answer a few questions for me. Is it well made? Will it work well with Flyer track and transformer? What kind of reversing unit does it have? What is the price? And, how do I get in touch with Tom to make a purchase? And lastly, when is the next S-Fest, where will it be held, and is there a membership requirement? Thanks, Rich<< ***************************************************************** I'm posting this info here, as I've received five off-line emails already today on this topic and this should save some time. First, I plan to post some photos of Tom Hodgson's goodies over the weekend. I am working on my layout today (finally!) and have no clear tracks on which to set anything up right now for a photo shoot. And I'll look for Tom's phone number and address. He's north of me, in Spring Grove IL. I don't know if/how many he has left. He usually makes about only 40-50 sets of each project, I've heard, as he molds in urethane -- and his stuff is awesome. I have his Hiawatha loco and tender kit -- I paid $100 a year ago, I think. One unfinished kit just went for $180 on eBay (item 5928367959). And a finished one just went for $430! (5928600371). You can paste the item numbers into "search" on eBay and see them. I also have his finished Aerotrain, which was about $300 or $400, I think. And his 20th Century Limited, also pretty sweet. All of his stuff is Flyer compatible and AC unless you prefer DC, which he also makes available. But you can run the DC stuff with a Flyer/AC transformer, too, if you install a converter in the tender -- which is what he must do for his AC models, as all can motors are DC. The Burlington 9900 Zephyr is pretty awesome, as the photos will show. It's ready-to-run and was $550 plus $60 for AC -- total $610. Special hand-rubbed(?) paint to make it look like chrome, great decals, decent detail and it's really good-looking. Based on past history of his things, I'd guess in a couple years it'll be selling for over $1000. All his stuff has gone up in value better than anything else being made today, and it's all very well-engineered. The 9900 has two can motors, BTW. Next year's Fall S Fest will be late October in South Beloit, Wisconsin. In 2006, we're (Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers) hosting in Tinley Park, IL, SW of downtown Chicago. You can always keep "track" of things at the NASG (National Association of S Gaugers website at: www.nasg.org. There's a place for "events" you can click on. And if you're not a member, there membership info there, too. (How's that, John Foley?) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32808	From: Phil K	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: American Hi-Rail / R. Tom Hodgson info

UPDATE: For those who have the need to know, the can motors (and reverse units) in the American Hi-Rail Burlington 9900 are from Don Thompson's S-Helper Service (SHS, not VHS) LOL. My experience says they'll run as smooth as a baby's bottom. I just got off the blower with Tom and he said he isn't 100 percent sure of exact numbers of remaining 9900s, as he has some pre-orders yet to fill, but he is pretty certain he does still have some of the four-unit Zephyrs available -- although quantity is LIMITED. Be forewarned: He is a busy man, thanks to his "real" job, and therefore sometimes hard to catch. And says he has no time to read email, either. So keep trying on the land line. Here's his contact info: American Hi-Rail R. Tom Hodgson Spring Grove, Illinois Phone: (847)587-1116 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32809	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Passenger car help

I am a relative newcomer to S. I recently traded my last O gauge track and few cars for a "well used" collection of Flyer. Among the items I acquired were three streamlined passenger cars in rough condition. These cars came with a 466 Comet single motor PA so I assume they were sold as a set. Upon close examination, I was able to determine that the cars (a combine, a vistadome, and an observation) had been chrome plated and then painted with silver paint. I observed this when I noticed peeling paint on the roof area of one of the cars. The car bodies are rough enough that the paint and chrome are worn down to the tan plastic on the corrugations. The vistadome car had suffered a chemical spill that slightly blistered the plastic in a couple of places and melted a hole in the window strip insert. I am evaluating repairing the damaged car body and stripping and repainting all three cars. My question is - is it common to find chrome under paint on AF passenger cars? I have not started cleaning or attempted any repair on these cars yet due to working on the 12 locomotives in the collection in order to get them running. Not being familiar enough with Flyer values, I am wondering if the cars are worth the expenditure of several hours labor and miscellaneous parts to restore. Thanks in advance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32810	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Pine Canyon

Hi Folks I received my Pine Canyon Scale Models Rigsby Freight structure kit the other day. Wow another great kit for S scale. Can't wait to start building it. I even purchased the optional end wall for truck delivery's. Check it out at www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32811	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Real helpfull site for Train Questions

Here is a site that may be helpfull to everyone at one time or another....thanx Don... http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32812	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Junk

For those of you that want well used stuff there is going to be a auction on Dec 18 at Ted Maurer's Auction. His web site is www.maurerail.com . Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 7, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32814	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Modeling Guide V8 I6

I just received the new issue of the Modeling Guide. If you don't subscribe, you are missing a great magazine. This issue is the best yet. The Philippe Coquet Rio Grande layout is something else. if you didn't look very close you would think they are photos of the real world rather than an S-scale layout. Dick Karnes continues his excellent article on scratch building turnouts. There is coverage of the NASG and Narrow Gauge Conventions, and several columns. It is good reading from end to end. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32815	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re.Passenger car help

my Comet set has silver painted over chrome cars also.chrome was used in 1953,it didn't hold up very well,and was dropped.evidently left over 1953 shells were painted over for use in 1954 sets. if these cars are as bad as they sound you might as well strip old finish and repaint.you might try soaking in laundry soap and scrubbing.new window strips are availible from most AF parts dealers.I once stripped a ratty silver bullet set with E-Z off oven cleaner,don't reccomend it,nasty stuff. good luck Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32816	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/5/2004
Subject: Re;Lionel's 0-6-0 switcher video

Y'all...I have one of the O gauge Lionel 0-6-0 switchers. Excellent diecast little loco. Nice detail and a pretty good puller. However, it seems a bit under scale and the electronic whistle is TERRIBLE! They would have been better off to leave one out. Stumpy Stone...Multi-scaler in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32817	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: American Hi-Rail photos now available

Stayed up late again to get these photographs shot and posted. BTW, a disclaimer: I have no financial connections, business associations or hidden agendas with American Hi-Rail other than being a full-paying, satisfied and happy customer. And most items shown in the photos at the link below were manufactured over the last few years in very limited quantities and probably are no longer available -- save for the Burlington 9900 Pioneer Zephyr sets, which is the current topic of discussion here. I just added photos of them so you could see what kind of unique goodies Tom Hodgson and his American Hi-Rail are making in S gauge. Obviously, all things are Flyer compatible with high rail (large flange) wheelsets to run on AF track. Another note: American Hi-Rail is only sold direct through the company -- unless a train shop makes a buy. For what it is worth, if you are interested in buying, Tom does not discount prices for anyone -- even train shops and dealers. He has never had problems finding eager and enthusiastic buyers for his limited runs. So if you call and identify yourself as a member of S-Trains, please don't ask. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup22 Have fun! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32818	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: access

is any one experieincing failure at reaching Collector auctions. i go to it and the window comes up that it has defaulted. thanks for your help JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32819	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: AF trains for sale

Hi, everyone. My updated eight-page list of Gilbert AF trains for sale was sent out on 11/03. If you did not receive a copy and would like one, please email me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32820	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: Have yeah?

The most commom expression at the train meet. Have yeah --this one! have yeah got one of these! Have yeah change for a fifty! Have yeah been to! The numerous typical approach is end less. But where else do you find a person:s interest in toy trains----the train meet has it all ! the old --the new---the past---the present. Recently I got back home ...travelling is a drag for me,but it can benefit ones personality as a train meet does for mine. Its healthier than a Saturday nite polka game. I came back with a "toonerville trolley" just luck -well! I had to do the asking-&-play the game and thats how I came back a winner.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32821	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/6/2004
Subject: A>F> HO

HI members many items seldom include conversation of Gilbert's HO line. even though a full HO product line was produced--is it a unpopular interest for the GIlbert enthusiasts of THE BIG 3/16THS 2- RAIL TRACK AMERICAN flyer?--- just wondering why there"s very little of it getting attention. I bot the A.C.Gilbert hardcover on the HO American Flyer .Its a very good refernce book. I note the likeness of the matching the ho line with the 3/16th line but! also ,interesting is Gilbert's Ho line carried many protypical heralds such as 'Cities Service'. I am not 100% sure on this aspect of popularity but isnt there a operator/collector amongst us who built a big layout compiling in it all the American Flyer of pre&post wars going back to Coleman days. The lay out had representaive structures & trains of each period along the way to AC Gilbert"S closing down in the 60's ? have a great tommorrow JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32822	From: stepdad56	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: access

Stouts has been down for days. I'm beginning not to like them anymore. If I was selling a collection with him, I'd not be happy that people could not get in and look at the catalog and place absentee bids, thus reducing the possible amount I'd realize. His E- Bay Live auctions stink too. I was watching a few items and trying to bid on Saturday. I'd press the button to bid for say $600, it said my bid was sent, then the auction would end at less than the $600 that I bid. He's going way too darn fast and rushing through the lots before all bids are in, thus losing money for himself and his consignee. I'm going elsewhere when I sell... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "polpolk9" <polpolk9@y...> wrote: > > > is any one experieincing failure at reaching Collector auctions. i > go to it and the window comes up that it has defaulted. thanks for > your help JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32823	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: A>F> HO

Jay.... Several of us have come out of the closet on HO.... I myself have over 40 sets with lots of extra cars and engines, track, etc..... These things are like peanuts to me.... you can't have just one..... While I don't know how others feel I would like to see HO comments here..... to me they are AF.... I would like to find more books on the HO stuff... all I have is the 1 book by Sommer..... The new book out has prices similar to his put around 95.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "polpolk9" <polpolk9@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A>F> HO > > > > HI members many items seldom include conversation of Gilbert's HO > line. even though a full HO product line was produced--is it a > unpopular interest for the GIlbert enthusiasts of THE BIG 3/16THS 2- > RAIL TRACK AMERICAN flyer?--- just wondering why there"s very little > of it getting attention. I bot the A.C.Gilbert hardcover on the HO > American Flyer .Its a very good refernce book. I note the likeness of > the matching the ho line with the 3/16th line but! also ,interesting > is Gilbert's Ho line carried many protypical heralds such as 'Cities > Service'. I am not 100% sure on this aspect of popularity but isnt > there a operator/collector amongst us who built a big layout > compiling in it all the American Flyer of pre&post wars going back to > Coleman days. The lay out had representaive structures & trains of > each period along the way to AC Gilbert"S closing down in the 60's ? > have a great tommorrow JAY > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32824	From: stepdad56	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Re: Junk & York

They KEY is to sell junk at junk prices. You cannot get parts value for so called junk, it will not sell. I've been trying to unload all of my junk and parts and unless I have it priced at about half of parts key value or less, it will not sell. This applies to rather scarce parts as well. Thats the facts of life in junk land. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@s...> wrote: > I guess my junk was not displayed prominently enough. Tim, I guess you missed the cabooses priced at $10 each, the 925 Gulf's at $12 each, the various boxcars from $10 to $18 each and the 20 or so gondolas from $10 to $15 each. To price them under this would be to price them less than parts value. I'm glad you think these items are excellent, but I'm not likely to grade the stuff under the table as excellent. Believe me, next time I'll have a sign with arrows that says look under the table for bargains. Thank you for your suggestion. > > Upon thinking about this, I may have a different definition of junk. Junk is stuff that still runs, parts are only pieces of junk. Hey, Tim, maybe we are onto something here. Maybe Greenberg and TM (and maybe even TCA) need to include price lines for Junk and parts. Have I opened a can of worms that will create even more "Banter" about Junk and Parts. Dear God I hope not. End of subject for me. > > Bill > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:28:02 -0400 > From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> > Subject: Junk & York > > Bill Clark & everyone, > > I visited your table at York, Bill. I looked on top and underneath. I couldn't find any junk. I believe what you call junk under your table is what most people would call excellent. What I call junk is that which is unusable, save for parts, whether they be gently removed or cut off with a saw. I challenge you and all other dealers to bring their junk to York in April. > > Now, we probably shouldn't continue this thread on junk or York, for that matter too much longer, or we'll get hollered at and told to stifle ourselves. > > I have some junk to process, > Tim Brown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32825	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 7, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32826	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: S-Fest Report

Hi All, I have landed and recuperated from attendance at my first S-Fest. I have to say this was a fabulous show. Dare I even suggest that I enjoyed it more than York!!?!??!?! The pace is much slower and there is actually time to chat with other attendees and dealers. Of course, the offerings don't compare in size to that at York. But consider how awesome it is to be surrounded by S and only S! Goodness, I was in heaven. One of the highlights of this show was the display on the stage of the arena. As mentioned in Phil Kosin's photos, it is an exact (nearly) replica of a layout featured in an American Flyer catalog. It is being built by our own list member, Clay Buckage and his Dad. It is most awesome and they are doing an outstanding job. Clay, if you post some photos, we can follow along with the progress. I purchased only two but very choice Flyer items: a 910 Gilbert Chemicals tank car. Actually, I think I bought it after the show was officially over. At least the dealer had already packed up. But he was all too happy to unpack a box to sell me the car which was very reasonably priced. I didn't even know a 24566 existed. But thanks to Bill McKie, it was my first purchase and it is a beauty. The car carrier has all 5 cars which have all their wheels and the tractor is red. I filled the rest of my shopping bag with 18 1:64 vehicles and 3 AHL trucks. Add to that a few S figures and 3 sets of really tiny birds (from Little Critters of Ontario) and my weekend was complete. Sunday's layout tours were really wonderful. I not only experienced, first-hand, the talents of the modlers in the Waukesha area, but I came away with some great ideas for my own layout. The hosts and owners of these layouts were most gracious in providing demos and answering all my questions. I came away from the tours totally charged and ready to get back to my layout with renewed enthus- iasm. I have never been to an S-Spree. But if any of you have an opportunity to take in an S-Fest in the fall, don't hesitate. It is a most awesome experience. The weather even was kind. The first day it was 71 degrees and no day was colder than the high 50s. This was a warm welcome for a gal from Florida and a train show I won't soon forget. To make the event even more memorable, I met some new S-Trains list members. I did take a few photos that Phil Kosin didn't include in his wonderful photographic overview of the show. Mine are mostly of the layouts on the tour. I will post them in my photo album soon and send you all a link. One final note: I celebrated my birthday while in Waukesha and it was one of the best in years. Thanks to everyone there for making it so special. 'S'incerely... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32827	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2004
Subject: Heard a nasty rumor

Y'all...I heard recently that the Lionel lost it's appeal in the Lionel vs. MTH battle. This rumor says Lionel is headed for bankrupcy, liquidation, or sell out. I would imagine this will mean they will stop making American Flyer stuff, including the Docksider. It would be ashame to loose this very affordable loco in S gauge. It could be the base for a small entry level set. Does anyone know if this is true? Stumpy Stone in the wilds of Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32828	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Heard a nasty rumor

From what has been reported in the press, the judge on Nov. 1 signed off on the civil lawsuit MTH filed against Lionel and Korea Brass. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure that doesn't mean the case is over. Lionel in those press reports says it still plans to file an appeal, apparently at the next higher court level. I don't think Lionel has filed an appeal yet. The only place I saw the word "bankruptcy" was in a Nov. 3 press release from MTH, posted on the Classic Toy Trains website: [Quoting] Columbia, Maryland, November 3, 2004 --- The presiding judge overseeing the federal court case between M.T.H. Electric Trains and Lionel Trains, LLC has entered into judgment the entire jury award arrived at the conclusion of the late Spring 2004 trial. In addition, Judge John Corbett O'Meara denied several motions by Lionel and granted a permanent injunction against the firm prohibiting any further use of the designs, tools and molds used to produce the disputed locomotives. The trial, which concluded on June 7, 2004 with a verdict in favor of M.T.H., found Lionel and its co-defendants liable on M.T.H.'s claims of misappropriation of M.T.H.'s trade secrets. The Court found "The damages awarded by the jury in this case are well supported in the record. The jury awarded $12,834,820 against Lionel for unjust enrichment for trains it imported through the date of trial, a figure that was 20% less than what Plaintiff's expert calculated as Lionel's variable profits on those trains; $2,167,440 against Korea Brass and Yang for their unjust enrichment for these trains, an amount that was 90% of what Plaintiff's expert calculated; $11,978,887 for Plaintiff's past lost profits for the period January 2000 through March 2004, which was 76.5% of what Plaintiff's expert calculated; and $13,794,518 for M.T.H.'s future lost profits, a figure that was close to what Plaintiff's expert had calculated. There was ample evidence in the record to support the jury's award of damages". The Court went on to find "nor can defendants prevail on their arguments that the jury awarded duplicate damages." "With regard to the deficiencies alleged by defendants in their motions, the court makes special note of the fact that the jury who heard the evidence in this case and rendered a verdict was an especially sophisticated jury; five of the eight jurors had college degrees. For all the above reasons, the court will not upset their verdict and award of damages." In entering today's judgment, the court found "Consistent with the evidence presented at trial and the jury's verdict and award of damages, that the defendants misappropriated trade secrets for the following O gauge, zinc die cast engines: 1. Baby Hudson, Baby Pacific, Starter Set Hudson, Jr. 2. Scale C & O Allegheny 3. Scale Union Pacific Big Boy 4. Scale N & W Class A 5. Baby PRR K-4 6. Scale Lumber Shay 7. Scale PRR T-1 8. Scale Challenger 9. O Gauge Tinplate Hiawatha 10. Scale NYC Hudson 11. N & W Auxiliary Tender 12. UP Auxiliary Tender 13. Baby Challenger 14. Scale Dryfuss Hudson 15. Scale PRR S-2 Turbine 16. Scale PRR K-4 17. Baby 0-8-0 18. Scale Empire State Express 19. Baby Blue Comet 20. Tinplate 392E The court also found that the defendants misappropriated trade secrets regarding M.T.H.'s speed ratio formula and lost wax castings and ordered that the defendants are prohibited from: (A) USING existing design drawings and/or existing tooling to manufacture the disputed engines; (B) USING existing design drawings or tooling for the disputed engines to manufacture any other engine or engine part; and (C) USING existing design drawings or molds for lost wax castings. An additional court order prevents the defendants from using the misappropriated speed ratio formula currently used in their trains in further production of any train model. The defendants may be allowed to use another formula, which they discover or invent, but they may not use M.T.H.'s speed ratio formula. The court did rule that the defendants may be allowed to re- manufacture the disputed models of engines provided that the defendants use independent means or legitimate reverse-engineering to determine the dimensions, tolerances, and materials for the design drawings and tooling. The court further ordered that the defendants retain all records of the independent means or reverse- engineering methods used to re-manufacture any of the disputed models. "Despite the wishes of some model railroading enthusiasts that pursuing a lawsuit against Lionel wasn't in the best interest of the hobby, I felt our firm had no choice but to seek justice against those who wronged us," stated M.T.H. President Mike Wolf at the conclusion of the trial. "We stand by our conviction that the loss of these trade secrets benefited our competition", he added. "Laws protecting innovation and the development of new technological improvements ensure that manufacturers will keep investing in their products. Ultimately those improvements provide consumers with better choices, operating features and overall product value". A statement released from M.T.H.'s Wolf on today's ruling expressed gratitude with the court's decision but cautioned that the almost five year ordeal was likely not concluded. "While we appreciate that the court has confirmed the jury's ruling, Wolf stated, "justice for M.T.H. may not yet be in our hands should Lionel, it's parent company Wellspring and the others elect to hide behind bankruptcy protection in an effort to shirk responsibility for their wrong doing". He went on to pledge that M.T.H. would continue to pursue resolution of the case while still maintaining its aggressive product development approach that has helped shape the company created almost 25 years ago. Wolf went on to confirm that some of the items in the list of the 20 disputed models were produced for Lionel by M.T.H. in the late 1980s and early 1990s when M.T.H. was a subcontractor for Lionel. In responding to market questions about why those items were included he revealed more details about the subcontracting arrangement between the two firms. In short, that arrangement covered two product categories; tinplate reproductions and die-cast locomotives. The tinplate reproductions category which include the tinplate Hiawatha and 392E was marketed under the Lionel Classics brand. M.T.H. was contractually responsible for building the models and delivering them to Lionel. The contract specifically detailed that M.T.H. would retain all tooling and molds, plans and designs. M.T.H. and M.T.H. alone was responsible for all design and engineering work on these projects. Lionel did not assist in any phase of the designs or contribute to any of the "know-how" that went into the production of the Lionel Classics models. Because these plans were included in the stolen designs, the court has ruled that Lionel cannot use those designs to reproduce the models in the future. The die-cast locomotives product category in the M.T.H./Lionel subcontracting relationship involved models like the Shay and Pennsylvania S-2 turbine. M.T.H. was contractually responsible for producing these models and turning over to Lionel only the die-cast and plastic injection tooling (boilers, tender shells, etc.). All told, the tooling for these models accounted for less than 20 parts of each model and were contractually turned over to Lionel at the conclusion of the subcontracting relationship (there are over 200 parts per model on average). Like the tinplate models, M.T.H. and its subcontractor designed each of the die-cast locomotives. Lionel did not assist in any of the engineering of these models and did not retain any ownership of the designs. Because much of the drive train and assorted other parts were not included in the contractually required mold transfers at the conclusion of the M.T.H./Lionel subcontracting relationship, the court has ruled that the stolen designs cannot be used to create the additional molds needed to re-run these specific parts for these locomotives. "Consumers should understand that the court's decision does not forbid Lionel from producing these models again in the future", Wolf added. "They certainly can re-engineer each model from scratch and produce them again in the future, they simply cannot use our plans and designs for doing so." [End quoting] From what I understand from all this, the case apparently is far from over. If Lionel files for an appeal, as it has stated, it could take years to work its way through the courts. I don't think Lionel could have filed an appeal until the original judge signed off on the civil judgement, which is what happened Nov. 1. Any members of the Bar in the audience, please correct me if I'm wrong. Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > Y'all...I heard recently that the Lionel lost it's appeal in the > Lionel vs. MTH battle. This rumor says Lionel is headed for > bankrupcy, liquidation, or sell out. I would imagine this will mean > they will stop making American Flyer stuff, including the Docksider. > It would be ashame to loose this very affordable loco in S gauge. It > could be the base for a small entry level set. > Does anyone know if this is true? > Stumpy Stone in the wilds of Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32829	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: More on Lionel vs. MTH

One other thought, not based on any facts -- but pure speculation: If the powers that be at Lionel were wise in setting up the parent corporation, American Flyer wouldn't be part of the equation. I would think for liability and tax reasons AF would be a totally separate corporation from Lionel -- and therefore insulated from the MTH lawsuit. How that would effect things should the judgement stand after all appeals are exhausted would be even more speculation. I am certain Lionel will vigorously appeal the $41 million judgement until all its avenues are exhausted, all the way to the highest level. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32830	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Correct Trees for Christmas Tree Flat

These are the one and only correct trees for the CP flat car. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32831	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Sorry, trees

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32832	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Third times a charm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32833	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article

Good morning: I do not have a copy of this issue. Would someone please lookup the article on the Amtrak Horizon cars in the January 1992 issue of RMC and tell me what is there? I am hoping for a series of drawings of new cars for Amtrak (not rebuilds). At a minimum I need a coach drawing. Do these cars have smooth sides? What is even weirder, I don't need the plans: just to know where they are! Thank you for your help! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32834	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article

and he notes - There is a drawing on this site: http://paintshop.railfan.net/backlot/nedirect_hrzn.html And a "Billboard" version can be found here: http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/nrhs/Amtrak/gallery.htm And scroll down for more drawings here: http://paintshop.railfan.net/cars.html Raleigh At 10:42 AM 11/8/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Good morning: > I do not have a copy of this issue. Would someone please lookup >the article on the Amtrak Horizon cars in the January 1992 issue of RMC >and tell me what is there? > >I am hoping for a series of drawings of new cars for Amtrak (not >rebuilds). At a minimum I need a coach drawing. Do these cars have >smooth sides? > >What is even weirder, I don't need the plans: just to know where they >are! > >Thank you for your help! >Thorin > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32835	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article

Dear Raleigh: Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have answered all of my questions. Especially the photograph which proved they are smooth sides! Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Rollain Mercier [mailto:raleigh@...] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:13 AM To: Marty.Thorin; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article and he notes - There is a drawing on this site: http://paintshop.railfan.net/backlot/nedirect_hrzn.html And a "Billboard" version can be found here: http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/nrhs/Amtrak/gallery.htm And scroll down for more drawings here: http://paintshop.railfan.net/cars.html Raleigh At 10:42 AM 11/8/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Good morning: > I do not have a copy of this issue. Would someone please >lookup the article on the Amtrak Horizon cars in the January 1992 issue >of RMC and tell me what is there? > >I am hoping for a series of drawings of new cars for Amtrak (not >rebuilds). At a minimum I need a coach drawing. Do these cars have >smooth sides? > >What is even weirder, I don't need the plans: just to know where they >are! > >Thank you for your help! >Thorin > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32836	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: injection molding

In reply to the recent (and not so recent) questions and discussion about injection molding, scroll your browser to http://www.cumsa.com/ On the left click EJECTION Ejection Mechanisms Accelerated Ejector In the center section, click the "yellow box" that is moving left-right Watch the show! This is a single cavity mold. Only one molded part is molded at a time. (The black component is the molded part. It has a long tapered shaft on it pointing to the right. This is the sprue. It is where the melted plastic is fed into the mold. It is usually clipped off before the part is shipped to the customer. Where the sprue meets the part is called the "gate". You can readily see this location on AM's original boxcars, look in the center of the top surface.) Go back and click on Double Ejection click the "yellow box" Now you see a two cavity injection mold. 2 parts are produced at the same time. Here the parts are cup shaped. (Notice that the sprue no longer attaches to the molded parts. Instead the sprue attaches to a thick vertical section that runs to the edges of the molded parts. This thick vertical piece is called the runner. Where it attaches to the parts is called the "gate". The runners are sometimes shipped with the molded parts (model cars for example), but the sprue is usually removed. It takes up too much space.) If you have questions about these animations, feel free to write to me directly. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32837	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RMC Jan 1992 Horizon article

and he notes - They are actually remakes of Bombardier's "Comet" commuter cars used by Boston's MBTA and Montreal's AMT lines. Both use cars modified with cab control. New Jersey's NARP plans to purchase a number of these cars for West of Hudson service too. So they can be used in commuter service as well and I'm sure other lines use them or plan to. Incidentally, one of the oddest arrangements is used by the "Downeaster" between Boston and Portland, Maine. Though they are Amfleet cars, the five or six car consists have what looks like a locomotive on either end but not so. Pointing north is a "Heritage" fleet loco and pointing south is an F40PH "Cabbage" cab control unit. (The diesel engine and traction motors have been removed and a roll up door installed in the sides for luggage - thus the 'Cabbage' monicker - see photos) http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=14127&password=&sort=1&cat=all&page=1 http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?road_number=90220 The 'Cabbage' is used because of the diesel exhaust problem under the Fleet Center which sits astride North Station's tracks. Since the 'Cabbage' has no motors, it doesn't foul the air intakes for the sports arena. It should be interesting to see what becomes of the paint after a few years of one side being exposed to East Wind salt air. They already have chips and paint loss similar to what the toy train sellers call "play wear". A 'Cabbage" could be made from an AM F40PH and used in a number of applications as they appear on high level trains too. Raleigh Long Island RR did Raleigh At 11:23 AM 11/8/2004, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Raleigh: > >Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have answered all of my questions. >Especially the photograph which proved they are smooth sides! > >Thorin ><snip>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32838	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor

In response to the recent post about the Linonel problem let me advise as a retired attorney that as Yogi Berra is reputed to have said, "It ain't over "til its over". After a verdict is rendered the successful party must prepare a judgement for the presiding judge to sign. After the judge signs the judgement it is then entered. The time to appeal starts from the entry of the judgement. It is not at all unusul for it to take upwards of year or more for the appeal to be heard. It them takes several months for a decision to be rendered. Further appeals are possible after that. In the event of a final adverse judgement it is still possible to reorganize under chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Law and continue in business. Don't give up hope all is not lost. Gerry Siegel Mountville Pa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32839	From: hgetrain	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Lionel vs. MTH

-- American Flyer is one of the assets of Lionel LLC and is not a separate corporation. The future does not look bright for the AF line since it competes with the Lionel line for product development dollars. Already announced AF products should be produced, but new products may be another matter. From the trial transcripts that I have read, both the judge and the jury made major mistakes in determining liability and damages. Clearly MTH's lawyers did a better job than Lionel's. I think Lionel has a good chance on appeal to get the award further reduced. I also think that MTH's claim that their "speed ratio formula" was a trade secret was not correct and no damages should have been awarded. I think the jury misunderstood many of the "facts" in this case. Regardless, Lionel is in big trouble. Harry Eberhardt - In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > One other thought, not based on any facts -- but pure speculation: > If the powers that be at Lionel were wise in setting up the parent > corporation, American Flyer wouldn't be part of the equation. I > would think for liability and tax reasons AF would be a totally > separate corporation from Lionel -- and therefore insulated from the > MTH lawsuit. > > ..........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32840	From: Jerry	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Third times a charm

Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:31:24 EST > From: HOwingsiii@... >Subject: Third times a charm > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > I don't know if it's Yahoo specifically of the fact that I get this in digest mode but the third time wasn't the charm for me. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32841	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

Thanks for sharing your legal expertise with us, Gerry. More questions: I'm sure Lionel had some sort of business liability insurance. Would it kick in here? What is the degree of culpability in a civil lawsuit even if some of its employees allegedly "broke the law?" (Let us remember this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so if I understand such things correctly, it requires much less damning evidence than a criminal case, where you are innocent until proven guilty. Similar to how OJ was acquitted in the criminal case, but was found guilty in the civil action. Right?) Would the alleged actions of some Lionel employees be sufficient cause to have liability coverage denied in this case? Would (did) MTH have to prove the alleged illegal activity was done with the knowledge and blessing of the Lionel corporate brass? And even if Lionel had to file Chapter 11 someday due to a huge judgement, wouldn't American Flyer then be an asset that could be liquidated (sold)? Maybe it could be sold to someone who'd really "take the ball and run with it" considering the newfound popularity in S gauge. Ah, so many questions. I notice so far Lionel has been pretty mum on all this. Also, in my opinion, from reading what I consider "incendiary" quotes from the MTH owner in the press release, this lawsuit seems to be more personal than business, especially his comments speculating Lionel would try to duck responsibility in this by filing bankruptcy. Personally, I think these comments are totally uncalled for, since he received a VERY favorable judgement, and now is not the time to "kick" Lionel when it's down. Just my opinion, Phil K ________________________________________________________________ > In response to the recent post about the Linonel problem let me > advise as a retired attorney that as Yogi Berra is reputed to have > said, "It ain't over "til its over". > After a verdict is rendered the successful party must prepare a > judgement for the presiding judge to sign. After the judge signs the > judgement it is then entered. The time to appeal starts from the > entry of the judgement. > It is not at all unusul for it to take upwards of year or more for > the appeal to be heard. It them takes several months for a decision > to be rendered. Further appeals are possible after that. > In the event of a final adverse judgement it is still possible to > reorganize under chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Law and continue in > business. > Don't give up hope all is not lost. > Gerry Siegel > Mountville Pa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32842	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 03:42 PM, Phil K wrote: > And even if Lionel had to file Chapter 11 someday due to a huge > judgement, wouldn't American Flyer then be an asset that could be > liquidated (sold)? Maybe it could be sold to someone who'd > really "take the ball and run with it" considering the newfound > popularity in S gauge. > Just my opinion, > > Phil K I have a question. What about AF that is an asset except the name. The molds, dies, fixtures and jigs are for making some 50 year old stuff that is JUNK by todays standards. S Scale has come so far from where AC was 50 years ago. You AF guys are in love with the past. If Flyenol was to reproduce every item of old AF equipment that they have tools for, It would be a financial disaster for them. People do not want junk any more. It would not be original flyer and would not sell well. Let us bury AC and press on to the modern things that AM, S Helper Service, BTS and others are making. Let the horse die and stop flogging it. After you have left home you can not return. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32843	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

>>You AF guys are in love with the past.<< Guilty as charged, Larry, and very proud of it. But I also own plenty of SHS and AM stuff, too. Personally, I see nothing wrong with harboring an interest in the traditions of American Flyer these days. And even though Lionel has produced a lot of Flyonel using 50-year-old dies and tools, new paint schemes make these products "new" -- and they keep making them because they sell. That's why the offering list each year has grown. Also, the Mikado and Docksider they're about to release are from brand new dies incorporating today's technology. If these sell well, I'd say we could expect more such products in the future. I've seen and heard the Mike, and it will more than hold its own against anything AM and SHS has issued -- and that's not a knock against SHS and AM. The Mike is also detailed enough to make most scalers happy, too, I'd guess. Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: > > > On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 03:42 PM, Phil K wrote: > > And even if Lionel had to file Chapter 11 someday due to a huge > > judgement, wouldn't American Flyer then be an asset that could be > > liquidated (sold)? Maybe it could be sold to someone who'd > > really "take the ball and run with it" considering the newfound > > popularity in S gauge. > > Just my opinion, > > > > Phil K > I have a question. What about AF that is an asset except the name. The > molds, dies, fixtures and jigs are for making some 50 year old stuff > that is JUNK by todays standards. S Scale has come so far from where AC > was 50 years ago. You AF guys are in love with the past. If Flyenol was > to reproduce every item of old AF equipment that they have tools for, > It would be a financial disaster for them. People do not want junk any > more. It would not be original flyer and would not sell well. > Let us bury AC and press on to the modern things that AM, S Helper > Service, BTS and others are making. Let the horse die and stop flogging > it. > After you have left home you can not return. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@a... > Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32844	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

Don't waste yourself, Phil. Larry's opinions usually come from the "other" end of the spine. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor > > >>>You AF guys are in love with the past.<< > > Guilty as charged, Larry, and very proud of it. > > But I also own plenty of SHS and AM stuff, too. Personally, I see > nothing wrong with harboring an interest in the traditions of > American Flyer these days. And even though Lionel has produced a lot > of Flyonel using 50-year-old dies and tools, new paint schemes make > these products "new" -- and they keep making them because they sell. > That's why the offering list each year has grown. > > Also, the Mikado and Docksider they're about to release are from > brand new dies incorporating today's technology. If these sell well, > I'd say we could expect more such products in the future. I've seen > and heard the Mike, and it will more than hold its own against > anything AM and SHS has issued -- and that's not a knock against SHS > and AM. The Mike is also detailed enough to make most scalers happy, > too, I'd guess. > > Phil K > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 03:42 PM, Phil K wrote: >> > And even if Lionel had to file Chapter 11 someday due to a huge >> > judgement, wouldn't American Flyer then be an asset that could be >> > liquidated (sold)? Maybe it could be sold to someone who'd >> > really "take the ball and run with it" considering the newfound >> > popularity in S gauge. >> > Just my opinion, >> > >> > Phil K >> I have a question. What about AF that is an asset except the name. > The >> molds, dies, fixtures and jigs are for making some 50 year old > stuff >> that is JUNK by todays standards. S Scale has come so far from > where AC >> was 50 years ago. You AF guys are in love with the past. If > Flyenol was >> to reproduce every item of old AF equipment that they have tools > for, >> It would be a financial disaster for them. People do not want junk > any >> more. It would not be original flyer and would not sell well. >> Let us bury AC and press on to the modern things that AM, S Helper >> Service, BTS and others are making. Let the horse die and stop > flogging >> it. >> After you have left home you can not return. >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@a... >> Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32845	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Runners and sprues,

In plastic kits the runner are usually kept to help organize and hold the parts. Without it many small parts would be lost by the modeler. There is a technique of placing a "torpedo" on the sprue or enlarged runner. This torpedo is really a heater and its purpose is to keep the plactic in the sprue chamber and runners molten. Use of this technique is called a "hot runner". Spues have been known to weigh almost as much as the part. Since the sprue is of no consequence to the model, it is removed, ground, and reused. The ground material is called regrind. Quality shops usually have a formula for mixing regring to new, virgin material. This gives them a consistent product with consistent settings on their molding machines. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32846	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail photos now available

***(((Stayed up late again to get these photographs shot and posted.)))**** Nice photos,.....and NICE trains!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32847	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

To all the distinguished members of this list, Please send me all of your "JUNK" American Flyer excess to your needs..I have only two houses full of the stuff, and I would like to start filling a third. I'll even drive over and pick it up. Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32848	From: geep39	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: November Railroad Model Craftsman

Has anybody seen the november RMC article on the guy with his American Flyer train that he got for Christmas? The article also talks about the notes he put in his AF catalogs from the '50's, and how he's introducing AF to this grandkids. I think most of us can identify with this one!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32849	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 05:15 PM, Tim Brown wrote: > > Don't waste yourself, Phil. Larry's opinions usually come from the > "other" > end of the spine. > > Tim Brown My opinions come from the fact that when a founder leaves a company by sale or by death it is not the same company any more. Athearn is gone. Lionel has changed several times. Smokey Valley Railroad and Machine Co. Is gone. I sold it in 1991 and it has been split 3 ways since. MDC is gone and the Athearn that was there after the new people took over is also gone when Horizon took over. When AC died AF was gone. Original Ford is gone. Any other company you can think of is gone after the founders left. The two new engines you spoke of are not AF models. As you said they are equal to AM and SHS. This defeats your own argument. None of AF's were were ever equal to SHS or any of todays manufactures. You want junk then by all means go get it. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Why does Donald Duck wear a towel when he comes out of a shower, when he doesn't usually ware any pants

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32850	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,

On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 06:25 PM, A.E. Johnson wrote: > > In plastic kits the runner are usually kept to help organize and hold > the parts. Without it many small parts would be lost by the modeler. > > There is a technique of placing a "torpedo" on the sprue or enlarged > runner. This torpedo is really a heater and its purpose is to keep the > plactic in the sprue chamber and runners molten. Use of this technique > is called a "hot runner". > > Spues have been known to weigh almost as much as the part. Since the > sprue is of no consequence to the model, it is removed, ground, and > reused. The ground material is called regrind. Quality shops usually > have a formula for mixing regring to new, virgin material. This gives > them a consistent product with consistent settings on their molding > machines. > > bigfoot 100% regrind is very good for reuse also. I needed some black styrene but could not color it in my machine because it was a piston machine. So I bought 500 lbs of white(Natural) and paid a extruder company to color it and give me some flat bars 1/8 inch thick, 1 inch wide and about 14 feet long. Then I reground all 500 pounds and used it 100% for injection of some diesel side frames. No Problems. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I went into a toy store and asked to see the toy train schedules.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32851	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Sounds like SOMEBODY is still living in the past! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor > > On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 05:15 PM, Tim Brown wrote: > >> >> Don't waste yourself, Phil. Larry's opinions usually come from the >> "other" >> end of the spine. >> >> Tim Brown > My opinions come from the fact that when a founder leaves a company by > sale or by death it is not the same company any more. Athearn is gone. > Lionel has changed several times. Smokey Valley Railroad and Machine > Co. Is gone. I sold it in 1991 and it has been split 3 ways since. MDC > is gone and the Athearn that was there after the new people took over > is also gone when Horizon took over. When AC died AF was gone. Original > Ford is gone. Any other company you can think of is gone after the > founders left. > The two new engines you spoke of are not AF models. As you said they > are equal to AM and SHS. This defeats your own argument. None of AF's > were were ever equal to SHS or any of todays manufactures. You want > junk then by all means go get it. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > Why does Donald Duck wear a towel when he comes out of a shower, when > he doesn't usually ware any pants >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32852	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

So Larry, I guess this means when I drive to pick up my brand new non-American Flyer Mikado and Docksiders, I'll be driving my non- Ford Explorer (on a set of four non-Firestones), stopping for lunch at the non-McDonald's, which is located inside my neighborhood non- WalMart. How depressing! ;-) Phil K By the way, Larry, by your line of thinking, you're also quoting non- Donald Duck, who lives at non-Disneyland. ;-) _____________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: > > > On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 05:15 PM, Tim Brown wrote: > > > > > Don't waste yourself, Phil. Larry's opinions usually come from the > > "other" > > end of the spine. > > > > Tim Brown > My opinions come from the fact that when a founder leaves a company by > sale or by death it is not the same company any more. Athearn is gone. > Lionel has changed several times. Smokey Valley Railroad and Machine > Co. Is gone. I sold it in 1991 and it has been split 3 ways since. MDC > is gone and the Athearn that was there after the new people took over > is also gone when Horizon took over. When AC died AF was gone. Original > Ford is gone. Any other company you can think of is gone after the > founders left. > The two new engines you spoke of are not AF models. As you said they > are equal to AM and SHS. This defeats your own argument. None of AF's > were were ever equal to SHS or any of todays manufactures. You want > junk then by all means go get it. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@a... > Why does Donald Duck wear a towel when he comes out of a shower, when > he doesn't usually ware any pants

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32853	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,

Larry, instead of going through all that, why did't you just buy bags of black styrene? I also don't understand why you think you can't use dry color to color natural styrene and use it in any type machine you want. We do both almost every day. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: > > > On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 06:25 PM, A.E. Johnson wrote: > > > > > In plastic kits the runner are usually kept to help organize and hold > > the parts. Without it many small parts would be lost by the modeler. > > > > There is a technique of placing a "torpedo" on the sprue or enlarged > > runner. This torpedo is really a heater and its purpose is to keep the > > plactic in the sprue chamber and runners molten. Use of this technique > > is called a "hot runner". > > > > Spues have been known to weigh almost as much as the part. Since the > > sprue is of no consequence to the model, it is removed, ground, and > > reused. The ground material is called regrind. Quality shops usually > > have a formula for mixing regring to new, virgin material. This gives > > them a consistent product with consistent settings on their molding > > machines. > > > > bigfoot > 100% regrind is very good for reuse also. I needed some black styrene > but could not color it in my machine because it was a piston machine. > So I bought 500 lbs of white(Natural) and paid a extruder company to > color it and give me some flat bars 1/8 inch thick, 1 inch wide and > about 14 feet long. Then I reground all 500 pounds and used it 100% for > injection of some diesel side frames. No Problems. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@a... > I went into a toy store and asked to see the toy train schedules.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32854	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Apologies to Don Thompson and SHS

Dear Phil: You think that one is bad!?!?! I took Becky to my Junior Year of High School to the Junior Senior Prom. The prom was in 1977. She contacted me in 2000 trying to find my sister. We started corresponding via e-mail. His name is Stu, as in 'Stuart'. Well, I was in a hurry and the spell checker corrected 'Stu' to 'Sue'. His grace was not amused although his wife was. 'Stu' is now part of the dictionary. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:24:16 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Apologies to Don Thompson and SHS Apparently, my spell-checker on several occasions decided "SHS" in my report about Fall S-Fest should be changed to "VHS." It will be severely punished, sent to bed without dinner. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32855	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Legal Questions Raised

I'll try to address some of the questions raised, bear in mind the value of the opinion is directly related to the amount paid to the attorny who gives it. Insurance, every poloiciy is different and even if it covered patent infringement it is unlikely that it would be in amount awarded, in addition many policies disclaim for intentional acts, and are designed to cover errors and ommissions and acts of negelect. The employer is responsible for the acts of his employees which are done during or in the course of his employment. The doctrine is "Respondiat Superior". Meaning simple the booss pays if the employee does "bad" things while working. In a criminal case the People who are the plantiffs must prove the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt, a heavy burden. In civil cases the plantiff must prove his case by a fair preponderance of the evidence. As one of my professors explained it, "Put it on a scale, if the plantiffs evidence weighs more than the defendant, he wins". Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code is the chapter that deals with reorganization, CHapter 7 deals with liquidation.I don't not know anything about the fininacial situation of the defendant but I would guess he would try 11 first. Hope this helps, Gerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32856	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,

They did not sell it where I was buying. It is not offered in three colors. It was cheaper to do that in stead of having the wholesaler have some one do it their way. In a plunger machine the color does not min to the center of the shot. Do it that way and then cut the gate off and you will have a white spot where it was cut off. A screw machine mixes to the center but a plunger will not. We would put a little oil in a coffee can, the color and the plastic. Mix well and put in the machine. The part will be colored on the out side but not the center. On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, at 11:05 AM, rfgiardina wrote: > Larry, instead of going through all that, why did't you just buy > bags of black styrene? > > I also don't understand why you think you can't use dry color to > color natural styrene and use it in any type machine you want. > > We do both almost every day. > > Bob Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Two boy silkworms pursued a girl silkworm. They ended up in a tie.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32857	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Motor size question

I recently purchased a 326 Hudson and I already had one other. I think both have the big motor. I also have 322 Hudson with what I believe is the small motor. How do you tell exactly? Does it have to do with the distance between the armatures of the motor? The large motor seems to have a smaller distance between the armatures. Is that how you tell. I hope I'm using the right lingo here. Was the large engine used in 293s and 312s also? Thank you! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32858	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Motor size question

Buy the book. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Motor size question > > > I recently purchased a 326 Hudson and I already had one other. I > think both have the big motor. I also have 322 Hudson with what I > believe is the small motor. How do you tell exactly? Does it have > to do with the distance between the armatures of the motor? The > large motor seems to have a smaller distance between the armatures. > Is that how you tell. I hope I'm using the right lingo here. Was > the large engine used in 293s and 312s also? > > Thank you! > Rob > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32859	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Runners and sprues,

On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, at 03:57 PM, ljack70117@... wrote: > > Correction > They did not sell it where I was buying. It is offered ONLY in three > colors. It was cheaper to do that in stead of having the wholesaler > have some one do it their way. In a plunger machine the color does not > min to the center of the shot. Do it that way and then cut the gate off > and you will have a white spot where it was cut off. A screw machine > mixes to the center but a plunger will not. > We would put a little oil in a coffee can, the color and the plastic. > Mix well and put in the machine. The part will be colored on the out > side but not the center. > On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, at 11:05 AM, rfgiardina wrote: >> Larry, instead of going through all that, why did't you just buy >> bags of black styrene? >> >> I also don't understand why you think you can't use dry color to >> color natural styrene and use it in any type machine you want. >> >> We do both almost every day. >> >> Bob Thank you Larry Jackman ljack700117@... If a guy is picked up for stealing human hearts from morgue, is that cardiac arrest.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32860	From: jt12313	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: des plaines diesel shell parts...

I noticed in the latest Dispatch that Des Plaines Hobbies is coming out with a line of diesel shell parts, noses, bodies etal. Can anyone who has seen these bits tell me anything about them... I keep meaning to kitbash a Centennial diesel and these parts may aid in the process. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32861	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Motor size question

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32862	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Motor size

Buy Robert Hannon's book, a must for all AF operators. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32863	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Fwd: Nasty Rumor?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 32864	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor?

. As you already know MTH won the lawsuit against Lionel back in June. The Judge however did not make his final ruling and enter any ruling into the court system until last week - Nov 3rd. Last week the Judge made the final ruling and basically upheld the juries decision that we won  the case and that Lionel should pay the full award stated by the jury. At the same time the Judge also entered into the system an injunction that Lionel cannot use the tools or the technology for any of the models that were part of the case. Basically to MTH, they got everything that they were pushing for.         Stumpy Stone mentioned that Lionel lost their appeal. Well, the appeal process has not even started yet.MTH had to wait until after the final verdict and judgement was entered by the judge. What Stumpy may be referring to is that prior to the entry of final judgement and after the trial itself, each side gets to give arguments and motions to the judge about the trial and I guess the judge listens to these issues and weighs them into his final decision. Basically the Judge told Lionel for all of their arguments and motions to pound sand. He was going to uphold the juries decision and award and that Lionel could present the arguments and whatever during the appeal if they wanted to.         As it stands now. Lionel has within 10 days after the entry of the final judgement to file for an appeal. I am not sure if these are calendar or business days. However, if Lionel does appeal they need to post 110% of the award into a bond. Basically they have to put over 40 Million into an escrow account and let it sit until the appeal process is over. Obviously this takes some deep pockets. However, what MTH thinks will happen is that Lionel will file for bankruptcy. From what I understand Lionel can file for bankruptcy and then still file for the appeal and not have to put up the bond money. I would think that Lionel would have to file for bankruptcy before the 10 day deadline to file for the appeal. Therefore, if Lionel decides to file for bankruptcy,MTH will hear something soon.         As far as Lionel going forward with any AF stuff I have no idea. As I am sure you know, Lionel (Well Spring actually - the capital investment group that owns Lionel) fired most all of the top guys and a lot of other people. Some guy from Marvel Comics is supposedly running the joint now. From what I understand he is going to cut things back including people and the product line. I have no idea if this includes any of the AF stuff or not. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32865	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: New on the S Helper Service website

I've updated the Showcase Line website with the following: The MEC 2004 Christmas SW-9s have arrived and will be shipped this week. Only AC/DC no sound and LocoMatic sound will be shipped at this time. Those who have ordered DCC will be contacted as to their options. We can substitute DC no sound so that they will have something to operate while we wait for the Soundtraxx decoders to be shipped. There are a very few MEC Christmas SW-9 locos left. If you want one, you should order very soon. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSW9.html The MEC 2004 Christmas cabooses are also shipping now. These are sold out. We can substitute another roadname and add the Mr. & Mrs. Claus figures waving from the rear platform. No extra charge. Just select an in stock caboose and note in the comments that you want the Claus's included. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexCab.html If you want to make your own Christmas train, the figures (Santa and Mrs Claus, train crew and wreath) are available here: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexMisc.html Also, the 2005 Full Color Catalog was finished last night and if all goes well we will have these in 3 weeks. The cover is here: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexCat.html Best regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32866	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF line from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert Factory and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? . As you already know MTH won the lawsuit against Lionel back in June. The Judge however did not make his final ruling and enter any ruling into the court system until last week - Nov 3rd. Last week the Judge made the final ruling and basically upheld the juries decision that we won the case and that Lionel should pay the full award stated by the jury. At the same time the Judge also entered into the system an injunction that Lionel cannot use the tools or the technology for any of the models that were part of the case. Basically to MTH, they got everything that they were pushing for. Stumpy Stone mentioned that Lionel lost their appeal. Well, the appeal process has not even started yet.MTH had to wait until after the final verdict and judgement was entered by the judge. What Stumpy may be referring to is that prior to the entry of final judgement and after the trial itself, each side gets to give arguments and motions to the judge about the trial and I guess the judge listens to these issues and weighs them into his final decision. Basically the Judge told Lionel for all of their arguments and motions to pound sand. He was going to uphold the juries decision and award and that Lionel could present the arguments and whatever during the appeal if they wanted to. As it stands now. Lionel has within 10 days after the entry of the final judgement to file for an appeal. I am not sure if these are calendar or business days. However, if Lionel does appeal they need to post 110% of the award into a bond. Basically they have to put over 40 Million into an escrow account and let it sit until the appeal process is over. Obviously this takes some deep pockets. However, what MTH thinks will happen is that Lionel will file for bankruptcy. From what I understand Lionel can file for bankruptcy and then still file for the appeal and not have to put up the bond money. I would think that Lionel would have to file for bankruptcy before the 10 day deadline to file for the appeal. Therefore, if Lionel decides to file for bankruptcy,MTH will hear something soon. As far as Lionel going forward with any AF stuff I have no idea. As I am sure you know, Lionel (Well Spring actually - the capital investment group that owns Lionel) fired most all of the top guys and a lot of other people. Some guy from Marvel Comics is supposedly running the joint now. From what I understand he is going to cut things back including people and the product line. I have no idea if this includes any of the AF stuff or not. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32867	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

Some might say I confused the bird albatross with the bird phoenix. In Larry's case, I really did mean albatross. To the rest of us, maybe phoenix would be more apropos. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <HOwingsiii@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF line > from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert Factory > and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer > forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HOwingsiii@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:47 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > > > . As you already know MTH won the lawsuit against Lionel back in June. The > Judge however did not make his final ruling and enter any ruling into the > court > system until last week - Nov 3rd. Last week the Judge made the final > ruling > and basically upheld the juries decision that we won the case and that > Lionel > should pay the full award stated by the jury. At the same time the Judge > also > entered into the system an injunction that Lionel cannot use the tools or > the > technology for any of the models that were part of the case. Basically to > MTH, > they got everything that they were pushing for. > > Stumpy Stone mentioned that Lionel lost their appeal. Well, the > appeal process has not even started yet.MTH had to wait until after the > final > verdict and judgement was entered by the judge. What Stumpy may be > referring > to is > that prior to the entry of final judgement and after the trial itself, > each > side gets to give arguments and motions to the judge about the trial and I > guess > the judge listens to these issues and weighs them into his final decision. > Basically the Judge told Lionel for all of their arguments and motions to > pound > sand. He was going to uphold the juries decision and award and that Lionel > could present the arguments and whatever during the appeal if they wanted > to. > > As it stands now. Lionel has within 10 days after the entry of the > final judgement to file for an appeal. I am not sure if these are calendar > or > business days. However, if Lionel does appeal they need to post 110% of > the > award into a bond. Basically they have to put over 40 Million into an > escrow > account and let it sit until the appeal process is over. Obviously this > takes some > deep pockets. However, what MTH thinks will happen is that Lionel will > file > for bankruptcy. From what I understand Lionel can file for bankruptcy and > then > still file for the appeal and not have to put up the bond money. I would > think > that Lionel would have to file for bankruptcy before the 10 day deadline > to > file for the appeal. Therefore, if Lionel decides to file for > bankruptcy,MTH > will hear something soon. > > As far as Lionel going forward with any AF stuff I have no idea. As I > am sure you know, Lionel (Well Spring actually - the capital investment > group > that owns Lionel) fired most all of the top guys and a lot of other > people. > Some guy from Marvel Comics is supposedly running the joint now. From what > I > understand he is going to cut things back including people and the product > line. > I have no idea if this includes any of the AF stuff or not. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32868	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

There is a question in the restaurant business "How do you become a Millionaire" since many restaurants failed. The answer coming soon, as I think this might apply to the AF line of today. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <HOwingsiii@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF line > from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert Factory > and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer > forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HOwingsiii@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:47 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > > > . As you already know MTH won the lawsuit against Lionel back in June. The > Judge however did not make his final ruling and enter any ruling into the > court > system until last week - Nov 3rd. Last week the Judge made the final ruling > and basically upheld the juries decision that we won the case and that > Lionel > should pay the full award stated by the jury. At the same time the Judge > also > entered into the system an injunction that Lionel cannot use the tools or > the > technology for any of the models that were part of the case. Basically to > MTH, > they got everything that they were pushing for. > > Stumpy Stone mentioned that Lionel lost their appeal. Well, the > appeal process has not even started yet.MTH had to wait until after the > final > verdict and judgement was entered by the judge. What Stumpy may be referring > to is > that prior to the entry of final judgement and after the trial itself, each > side gets to give arguments and motions to the judge about the trial and I > guess > the judge listens to these issues and weighs them into his final decision. > Basically the Judge told Lionel for all of their arguments and motions to > pound > sand. He was going to uphold the juries decision and award and that Lionel > could present the arguments and whatever during the appeal if they wanted > to. > > As it stands now. Lionel has within 10 days after the entry of the > final judgement to file for an appeal. I am not sure if these are calendar > or > business days. However, if Lionel does appeal they need to post 110% of the > award into a bond. Basically they have to put over 40 Million into an escrow > account and let it sit until the appeal process is over. Obviously this > takes some > deep pockets. However, what MTH thinks will happen is that Lionel will file > for bankruptcy. From what I understand Lionel can file for bankruptcy and > then > still file for the appeal and not have to put up the bond money. I would > think > that Lionel would have to file for bankruptcy before the 10 day deadline to > file for the appeal. Therefore, if Lionel decides to file for bankruptcy,MTH > will hear something soon. > > As far as Lionel going forward with any AF stuff I have no idea. As I > am sure you know, Lionel (Well Spring actually - the capital investment > group > that owns Lionel) fired most all of the top guys and a lot of other people. > Some guy from Marvel Comics is supposedly running the joint now. From what I > understand he is going to cut things back including people and the product > line. > I have no idea if this includes any of the AF stuff or not. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32869	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

Would that be; take two million dollars to buy a restaurant and sell it after you lose one million? That 'un has been posted before in reference to a hobby shoppe. Try again. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > There is a question in the restaurant business "How do you become a > Millionaire" since many restaurants failed. > > The answer coming soon, as I think this might apply to the AF line of > today. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <HOwingsiii@...> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > >> >> Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF >> line >> from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert Factory >> and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer >> forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! >> >> Tim Brown >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <HOwingsiii@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:47 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? >> >> >> >> . As you already know MTH won the lawsuit against Lionel back in June. >> The >> Judge however did not make his final ruling and enter any ruling into the >> court >> system until last week - Nov 3rd. Last week the Judge made the final > ruling >> and basically upheld the juries decision that we won the case and that >> Lionel >> should pay the full award stated by the jury. At the same time the Judge >> also >> entered into the system an injunction that Lionel cannot use the tools or >> the >> technology for any of the models that were part of the case. Basically to >> MTH, >> they got everything that they were pushing for. >> >> Stumpy Stone mentioned that Lionel lost their appeal. Well, the >> appeal process has not even started yet.MTH had to wait until after the >> final >> verdict and judgement was entered by the judge. What Stumpy may be > referring >> to is >> that prior to the entry of final judgement and after the trial itself, > each >> side gets to give arguments and motions to the judge about the trial and >> I >> guess >> the judge listens to these issues and weighs them into his final >> decision. >> Basically the Judge told Lionel for all of their arguments and motions to >> pound >> sand. He was going to uphold the juries decision and award and that >> Lionel >> could present the arguments and whatever during the appeal if they wanted >> to. >> >> As it stands now. Lionel has within 10 days after the entry of the >> final judgement to file for an appeal. I am not sure if these are >> calendar >> or >> business days. However, if Lionel does appeal they need to post 110% of > the >> award into a bond. Basically they have to put over 40 Million into an > escrow >> account and let it sit until the appeal process is over. Obviously this >> takes some >> deep pockets. However, what MTH thinks will happen is that Lionel will > file >> for bankruptcy. From what I understand Lionel can file for bankruptcy and >> then >> still file for the appeal and not have to put up the bond money. I would >> think >> that Lionel would have to file for bankruptcy before the 10 day deadline > to >> file for the appeal. Therefore, if Lionel decides to file for > bankruptcy,MTH >> will hear something soon. >> >> As far as Lionel going forward with any AF stuff I have no idea. As I >> am sure you know, Lionel (Well Spring actually - the capital investment >> group >> that owns Lionel) fired most all of the top guys and a lot of other > people. >> Some guy from Marvel Comics is supposedly running the joint now. From >> what > I >> understand he is going to cut things back including people and the >> product >> line. >> I have no idea if this includes any of the AF stuff or not. >> >> Harwood >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32870	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

Tim, You got it, as that works in any business, like the restuarant trade or hobby, as that most likely would be the case for anyone wanting to invest in the AF line. However, most of the reasons that these businees failed is due to poor marketing, poor management, and poor operations of the business. So, if one does the above, you can be very profitable, for the most part. AF failed because of the above and the competition like S Helper doing a better job to reach those in the S train market. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32871	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, at 08:08 PM, Tim Brown wrote: > > Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF > line > from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert > Factory > and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer > forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! > > Tim Brown I would not give you a dime for the AF company. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Vegetarian - that is an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32872	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

Not a very astute business decision. The Flyer line would be worth hundreds! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <HOwingsiii@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? > > On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, at 08:08 PM, Tim Brown wrote: > >> >> Maybe Larry Jackman will mastermind an investment group to buy the AF >> line >> from the now defunct Lionel Corp, move it back to the old Gilbert Factory >> and, like an albatross, resurrect it from it's ashes. Then, in Flyer >> forums, stage and screen, he will be known as "The Larry" - NAH! >> >> Tim Brown > I would not give you a dime for the AF company. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > Vegetarian - that is an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32873	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:32:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: AF failed because ............. Flyonel has not been perfection, to be sure, but "failed?" AF has been usually aimed at a different niche than SHS or AM -- the "traditional" market. Aside from the recent accessory "blow outs", the rolling stock and engines sold well enough so that Lionel made money from making and selling the trains. The accessories are being bought and enjoyed by fellow hobbyists. The repros permit one to hand them to kids to play with, which was AC's intent. The Docksider and handcar preorders are fantastic. Assuming that it is still delivered as promised (December), the new Mikado is really sharp, feature laden, and prototypically correct. We will at long, long last have a truly superior modern-built freight steam engine in "hi-rail" with which to pull all of those pretty steam era SHS billboard reefers. In case you haven't seen it, by the by, the B&O set is gorgeous! By the way, trains can still be made and marketed under Chapter 11, if it should come to pass. They have to continue business to stay alive. There has been a lot of "assuming" going on here. A deep breath and a count to ten are in order. ;) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32874	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: 290/293 Pacific

Do you like the concept of a 293 Pacific loco, but wish it had a die-cast shell instead of the plastic one? That's easy. I made a "293" out of an old 290 with a die-cast shell and installed Pulmor wheels on it. Since I only had the loco with just a tender shell, I had to make up a tender chassis - not hard at all. I've posted pics of the project at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32875	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Circus set - OFF TOPIC

I just got a third different offer on the set I bid on...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32876	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific

I'm confused. I thought a 293 was die cast. Your picture shows an engine with 290 not 293. So you made a 290 out of a 290? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Do you like the concept of a 293 Pacific loco, but wish it had a die-cast shell instead of the plastic one? That's easy. I made a "293" out of an old 290 with a die-cast shell and installed Pulmor wheels on it. Since I only had the loco with just a tender shell, I had to make up a tender chassis - not hard at all. > > I've posted pics of the project at: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32877	From: Tim Brown	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific

The way I remembered it, a 293 had a plastic shell. Maybe I was wrong. Anyway, I made what amounts to a 293 with a die-cast shell, but it's still numbered 290 'cuz the numbering was too good to paint over, even though the rest of the loco's paint job was crapped-out. Well anyway, it runs great and smokes like a chimney - even coming down through the front linkage! Fifth wire wiring rules! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Higgins" <joehigg@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 290/293 Pacific > > > I'm confused. I thought a 293 was die cast. Your picture shows an > engine with 290 not 293. So you made a 290 out of a 290? > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: >> Do you like the concept of a 293 Pacific loco, but wish it had a > die-cast shell instead of the plastic one? That's easy. I made > a "293" out of an old 290 with a die-cast shell and installed Pulmor > wheels on it. Since I only had the loco with just a tender shell, I > had to make up a tender chassis - not hard at all. >> >> I've posted pics of the project at: >> >> http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 >> >> Tim Brown >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32878	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: 290/293 Pacific

What a coincidence- here's a link to a photo of my 290 rewired smoke unit to 5th wire with a diecast K5 tender on Pikemaster trucks with pickups enhanced. Obviously not a collector's piece, it is my layout "runner". Ever since we ran it all day once at a module set up it has run like a banshee. If the link doesn't work look up the album titled "Chuck's Layout" in the Yahoo S-Trains Photo section. http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?.dir=/Chuck%27s+Layout&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Joseph Higgins" <joehigg@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 290/293 Pacific > > The way I remembered it, a 293 had a plastic shell. Maybe I was wrong. > Anyway, I made what amounts to a 293 with a die-cast shell, but it's still > numbered 290 'cuz the numbering was too good to paint over, even though the > rest of the loco's paint job was crapped-out. Well anyway, it runs great > and smokes like a chimney - even coming down through the front linkage! > Fifth wire wiring rules! > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Higgins" <joehigg@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 290/293 Pacific > > > > > > > > I'm confused. I thought a 293 was die cast. Your picture shows an > > engine with 290 not 293. So you made a 290 out of a 290? > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > >> Do you like the concept of a 293 Pacific loco, but wish it had a > > die-cast shell instead of the plastic one? That's easy. I made > > a "293" out of an old 290 with a die-cast shell and installed Pulmor > > wheels on it. Since I only had the loco with just a tender shell, I > > had to make up a tender chassis - not hard at all. > >> > >> I've posted pics of the project at: > >> > >> http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo59 > >> > >> Tim Brown > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32879	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor?

AF failed??? When did this happen??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32880	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS

If you don't wish to read a soapbox comment delete now.. I watch these banterings about AF, SHS. There is usually a lot of criticism for Flyonell. (Especially relative to their product quality/fidelity to prototype, etc.) I also frequently see Lionel Corp criticized for taking production outside of the country. I don't want to criticize SHS, but they started out with their production outside of this country. We should use the same measure if we are going to judge in this way. From what I can gather SHS does product selection/research, and then invests in the offshore design/production. (more of a product management function.) All design work is done off-shore. All product is manufactured/assembled off shore. It appears that boxes are received and warehoused in their facility. Marketing consists of traveling to shows, frequenting places like this forum, advertising in relevant mags and setting up an e-marketing website. These are the earmarks of a low overhead operation. This allows them to produce lower volumes and better detail at lower cost. What I find fascinating is that as soon as changes start to occur at Lionel where they begin to adjust their business to fit today's environment (and an environment closer to SHS) they are badmouthed. Remember all the bashing that occurred when they started to close down domestic assembly operations! I really have no idea, but I suspect that the MIK was produced using a similar process to SHS. You cannot produce the quality of the MIK in this country with all manufacturing and assembly processes occurring in this country for the price that most of us are willing pay. Profits for manufacturing companies are very delicate. A healthy company usually ends up with an average over the years of 15% net profit b4 taxes. You don't have to mess up very many slices of the pie to shrink that profit quickly. The company I work for expends over 65% of its sales revenue in materials, and we do all fabrication, machining, and assembly in house. We too at some point are going to be forced to move some fabrication processes off shore. We do not do this, but at the time the first competitor does it and drops the price to reflect the savings you are in a price war that will lead to your demise. You must find equivalent efficiencies internally or move off shore with certain processes yourself. You look around at the employees you have and consider the options. You may have to lay off part of your production force commensurate with the outsourced production operations in order to preserve the jobs of those that remain. Unfortunately in this world many times a few have to sacrifice to protect those that remain. The answer lies in productivity. So simple to say, yet so difficult to improve. If every worker in this country (from upper level manager to shop floor) thought of the company he worked for as "his" company it would be easier. I would bet if you were inside the walls of Lionel there would be a little more respect for their decision making. Especially if you consider it to be your money you are laying on the line, and your friends and neighbors as employees for 15% b4 tax. -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:29 PM To: Tim Brown; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? Tim, You got it, as that works in any business, like the restuarant trade or hobby, as that most likely would be the case for anyone wanting to invest in the AF line. However, most of the reasons that these businees failed is due to poor marketing, poor management, and poor operations of the business. So, if one does the above, you can be very profitable, for the most part. AF failed because of the above and the competition like S Helper doing a better job to reach those in the S train market. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32881	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Motor Size Question

> How do you tell exactly? There are 50 percent more plates making up the body of the armature and the field on the large motor so that the length of the stack on both is 3/4". The length on a small motor is 1/2". --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32882	From: ron190sl	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Removing plating

Does anyone have a process that will strip the plating from AF passenger cars without damaging the underlying plastic? TIA Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32883	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS

Here is a very interesting question. Just who started to take the production of American Flyer off shore? Ever look at the back of a section of American Flyer red brass HO track made by the A.C. Gilbert Co? It states "Made in Japan". Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32884	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Help on S gauge Museum.

Ive been away for awhile, but like a bad penny, im back. I could use some possible ideas from some of you folks that are involved in this type of deal. Heres the thing. I had a building on main street donated to me. I want to turn it into a cumminity thing for all can come watch the trains. Im going to file for a non profit status. I could use info on possible ways to find grants to purchase track and to prepare the building. The goal is to turn it into a S gauge train museum using American flyers MTH and SHS. It will be South Dakotas first S gauge museum that im aware of.Then Ill donate all my collection to the museum. Also I could use volunters that would be interested in helping design each rooms layouts. I can send photos and deminsions of the area in each room. Email me privatly if interested. I think this can be a dueable thing.It will take some years but my as well let everyone enjoy my trains. I can play and build it in the building just as well in my house but this way the community can enjoy it. The town is very supportive and allready have had some volunters help on some building maintenace. Thanks Bob wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32885	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Removing plating

I have used a solution of crystal Drano and water in a plastic dishpan to remove the plating and also paint from AF shells. Allow to soak overnight. USE GREAT CAUTION IF DOING THIS. NO PETS AND KIDS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE AREA. Carl -----Original Message----- From: ron190sl [mailto:rontrain@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Removing plating Does anyone have a process that will strip the plating from AF passenger cars without damaging the underlying plastic? TIA Ron Morris S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32886	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Removing plating

Carl, How much Drano in how much water? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: "'ron190sl'" <rontrain@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Removing plating > > I have used a solution of crystal Drano and water in a plastic dishpan to > remove the plating and also paint from AF shells. Allow to soak overnight. > > USE GREAT CAUTION IF DOING THIS. > NO PETS AND KIDS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE AREA. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: ron190sl [mailto:rontrain@...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:12 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Removing plating > > > > > Does anyone have a process that will strip the plating from AF passenger > cars without damaging the underlying plastic? > > TIA > > Ron Morris > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32887	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: The Model Railroad H.O. Scale Beer Car Collectors Site - Beer Cars

http://www.hobeercars.com/ I was searching for something on National Bohemian Beer or Natty Boh with the singing Pelican and Clams, of the 1960's and I came across this. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32888	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS

Gentlemen: Out sourcing manufacturing to China has brought quality and inexpensive production which has in turn made our hobby attractive and affordable to us pre and baby boomers. No matter whether SHS or Lionel was the one that did it first. I seem to remember that Lionel shifted their first off shore production efforts to Mexico resulting in a quality disaster that forced them to bringing back production to Michigan. I believe that these are the good years for model train collectors no matter what the guage because of the ability to take advantage of good cheap skilled manufacturing labor in China. However, I also believe that reliance on overseas manufacturing is folly over the long term for our hobby and for the US economy. (Pardon me as I digress below while I contemplate my ABA SHS F3's running around my layout) The reasons are based on the triad of price, stability and transportation. The first reason presumes that the China's economies growth rate will continue to grow at a fast rate but China needs cheap energy, cheap labor, interest rates and access to materials to keep making their products affordable. Chinese production costs are bound to continue to go up and when the labor and energy value/interest rates starts reaching US rates, then their production prices go up and model trains will truly become a rich man's hobby. This is good to the rest of us from the other perspective that we will be able to get good returns when we sell off our collections to pay the rent and eat. The second reason, political stability is another factor which could create supply problems for us. China has many minorities and other suppressed groups which are like a powder keg waiting to blow. It is in the US interest because of our reliance on Chinese manufacturing to maintain stability. But if China blows up, then all those cheap manufactured items become more expensive or non-existant (if you can't move your manufacturing base out of China quickly enough). This impacts on the supplies of appliances, toys and everything else that you find at our beautiful suburban WalMarts. The third reason is transportation risks. The majority of China trade relies on container ships. What happens if China tries to take over Taiwan and the Taiwanese response is to sink container ships (even those that are Chinese owned that fly a third country flag). It takes two years minimum to build those ships and if they lose 50% on the ships that takes a hell of a lot of transport trade out of the equation even if they put the high value items on 747s and airbuses. Most people say not going to happen but if it does empty WalMart and hobby shop shelves result. Now, people will say that S manufacturers will just move their manufacturing commitments to another country. I doubt that. Remember, Lionel moving to Mexico and the disaster that was. Making sneakers in Indonesia as compared to production of F3s are at different levels and I think that the new local talent wouldn't be up to providing the quality. I believe that we need to improve, expand and innovate our US manufacturing base such as developing computerized production systems that can be used for small economical production runs that we need for the S guage US market. Who would and could come up with the investment money to provide the solution is a good question. Maybe we will be able to piggy back on development of systems to be used for general manufacturing (e.g. toasters, small appliances, smart bombs) and they can be cheaply tailored for our purposes. I believe that this approach will happen when labor costs in other countries start to reach industrialized nation levels, transportation costs and risks start going back up, and/or our politicians recognize that free trade is economic war by another name. (e.g. recognize that US workers without jobs pay no taxes and collect unemployment). S Manufacturers have little choice for the present to move away from their Chinese suppliers in order to have products. But I suggest that they begin thinking about investigating production alternatives. Bottom line is that US based companies should start looking at other risk factors if they decide to off-shore manufacturing and regularly review the risk. They should also ensure that intellectual property and processes are protected and easily retrievable. But it is hard to shut Pandora's box when you've opened it. So based on my economic observations contained above, I say enjoy the quality and quantity of S guage items while you can (e.g. the next five years), if you have the money and the Wife's approval. Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32889	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/10/2004
Subject: All this MTH junk

all....... somewhere it sticks in my mind that there was a lot of friction near the end of MTH's and Lionels splitting several years ago...... could most of this just be revenge?????? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32890	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS

What seems not to have occurred to anyone complaining about Lionel or any other "S" manufacture, is just how infinitesimally small the "S" market is. The mere fact that anyone would invest their time and money in it, is a wonder. Add to that is the constant bitching and moaning about this one or that, the rummer mill and finger pointing. Tim Brown made the most astute point the other day about anatomy, only he should have stated it as a general rule. Several months ago there was a tread about grouchy manufacturers. One wonders what do all these manufactures have in common that would make otherwise mild mannered philanthropists grouchy? Numerous treads have bemoaned the lack of this thing or that, "at reasonable prices". What is a reasonable price, when there are complaints about this or that, costing $2.00. Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing about business or manufacturing. No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the product away, concede every point to every customer and not have any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING". 1000 customers, does not make a viable customer base for selling $150.00 items. You can't get the cost down with production runs that small. Production runs and sales in the many thousands, bring costs and prices down. But don't let those facts get in the way. You want more products, you have to be willing to pay higher prices to attract investment. You have to support manufacturers till it hurts. Don't be offended when it is suggested that they are doing you a favor by making the product. Then turn around and ask favors and get offended because they are in business and not your buddy. You can't ask for products to be made cheaper and not in my backyard, then get offended when it is outsourced to China. Years ago, products from Japan, Taiwan and China, were thought to be cheap and inferior, now they are quality products, probably because they are cheaper. American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, and not a kid getting his first train set. What a joy, not to be concerned about the number of wheels, rivets, rumors or personalities, just a train on a circle of track, smoking and going choo choo. Bob Giardina

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32891	From: Phil K	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: 2005 Fall S-Fest news item

BULLETIN -- State Line S Gaugers have set the dates for the Falls S Fest 2005. It will be held a couple weeks later than usual, on November 18-19, in South Beloit, Wisconsin, so be sure to mark your calendar. We hear the host hotel (NAME TBA) has undergone extensive renovations since the 2001 Fest and there will be more display space available than in past years. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32892	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Ramblings on trains and automobiles

we have had a lot of discussion about Gilbert AF,"flyonel",SHS,AM,MTH,and other brands and their place in the S gauge picture.let's compare it to the car hobby world.a well restored '57 Chevy Bel Air sport coupe is a joy to behold.if it's restored totally original it's also a miserable driving experience by todays standards.puny drum brakes,vague steering and handling,skinny bias ply tires,high maintence stuff like breaker points and oil bath air cleaners add up to"junk"by today's standards.try explaining this to someone who has dropped blood,sweat,tears and lots of cash on a resto job.the turned heads and admiring crowds at cruise nights or car shows tell the story.the same applies to our trains,we can run our"junk"AF or any combination of old and new.by the same token many old cars have been upgraded with EFI,modern transmissions,disc brakes etc.what makes this all possible is a strong aftermarket of parts suppliers. let's support our suppliers of new and repro stuff'and all get along. sorry i went on so long Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32893	From: Phil K	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Running a business

Bob G wrote: >> Several months ago there was a tread about grouchy manufacturers. One wonders what do all these manufactures have in common that would make otherwise mild mannered philanthropists grouchy?<< Let me chime in here as both an active and avid buyer of many things S -- and a person who owns a business. I wonder, too, how manufacturers can be "grouchy" when the level and quality of face-to- face customer service is such a big contributor to the success of any business. And let me add that "philanthropy" is the unselfish act of giving a gift. It is diametrically opposed to running a for- profit business, or at least a business operated with hopes of making a profit. Perhaps a better word here would be "entrepreneurs." I also wonder why if running a business makes someone "grouchy," why stay in that business? >> You want more products, you have to be willing to pay higher prices to attract investment.<< Yes, with a big "however": The product's quality must be in sync with the price point. Period. Investing includes inherent and unavoidable risks that must be assumed by those aspiring to operate a business and turn a profit. If consumers were willing to blindly pay higher prices with no quality provisos, there would exist no risk. I'd love to have a business that came without any risks. I own a periodical now starting its 17th year, and was happy (or naive enought) to assume all of the inherent risks when I started in 1989. Simply put, my job is to deliver a product for which there is a demand. To an extent, I had to create much of that demand. If I fail to do my job, revenue drops. If I succeed, we make money. It's that simple, and I see no great philosophical differences between operating in the publishing industry and model train manufacturing and sales. Let's be honest here. Much of model railroading is "cottage industries," where a product is produced only if the demand is great enough, demonstrated by attracting a guaranteed number of deposits placed by consumers WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN THE PRODUCT THEY'RE BUYING BECAUSE IT DOES NOT YET EXIST. And may never exist, if there isn't sufficent demand. In this scenario, the consumer is assuming, unfairly, all of the risk. But in an unacknowledged surge of loyalty, many of us still write checks for those deposits and order future products, sight unseen. Why not give us credit for that? It is not the consumer's responsiblity to blindly spend hard-earned money solely to keep anyone in business. THAT would be "philanthropy." It is a business' responsibility to thoughtfully assess the market and design products for which it believes there is a demand and sell them at a price point that the market will bear and still turn a profit. It's not complicated, in theory. A better solution would be to ramp-up efforts to grow the hobby to increase the potential customer base and therefore reduce prices through the added volume, right? >>You have to support manufacturers till it hurts.<< Nope. Business owners, myself included, assume a calculated and unavoidable risk by conceiving and manufacturing desirable and high quality products for which we hope there is a demand based on what a majority of the potential customer base (market) considers a fair price. No one owes us a living. If the product is inferior, or the price too high for the quality of the product, no one should be expected to buy it simply because of some strange level of loyalty, just to keep someone in business. If that were true in this case, what incentive would there be to continue to produce high quality products? Where would the hobby be then? >>Don't be offended when it is suggested that they are doing you a favor by making the product. Then turn around and ask favors and get offended because they are in business and not your buddy.<< I am offended when I hear what you say in your first sentence. This thought contradicts your "support till it hurts" concept -- that we should support manufacturers "until it hurts," but not expect any favors in return. Where's the give and take? Business owners aspiring to operate at a profit are not "doing you a favor by making the product." And consumers have no right to ask for "buddy" favors, either, so I agree with that statement. The general perception among people who have never operated a business is that everyone who owns a business is "wealthy." We're not. Like you, Bob, when my checkbook gets empty at the end of the month, no angel swoops down and magically fills it up again. My employees get paid before I do, and if not enough revenue comes in to cover my operating costs, I've worked for no compensation. THAT is what running a business entails. I knew that going in, and was still guardedly comfortable with my ability to operate at a profit. But I have never let myself feel like I'm doing someone a favor, and expect none in return. I like to think we have operated at a profit since our fourth year because we've done things right, and I would never feel like the world owes me a living. Business in a nutshell: 1. There are no guarantees of success. 2. The customer isn't always right, but he's always the customer. 3. Ya rolls the dice, and what happens happens. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32894	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Humor (Was Nasty Rumor)

Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:36:25 -0500 From: ljack70117@... Subject: Re: Re: Nasty Rumor Larry Jackman wrote: <snip> Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg? <snip> Why does Donald Duck wear a towel when he comes out of a shower, when he doesn't usually ware any pants? <snip> I went into a toy store and asked to see the toy train schedules. ________________________________________________________________________ It is off-topic but I can tell you the history of the nursery rhyme "Humpty Dumpty". It is English history. (Most of the old ones are.) Ask and I shall post. Porky Pig doesn't wear pants either. He also sports a towel when leaving the shower. Tweety Bird was originally pink to be a featherless baby bird. A censor noticed and he was colored yellow. Come to think of it, neither Daisy Duck nor Petunia Pig wear dresses either. I wonder what they wear when they come out of the shower? I ran a blank tape yesterday at full volume. The mime next door went nuts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32895	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Peek-A-Boo Gons

Hi Groups, Since I have seen some of the Milwaukee Road Peek-A-Boo Gons showing up on E-Bay with a high bid of $59 I thought I would let you all know that the sponsoring Northwest S Scalers still have about two dozen to these cars available. The price is $45.00 per car with a shipping cost of $4 for the first car or $6 for two cars with different prototype numbers. Orders payable to Northwest S Scalers may be sent to: Gil Hulin 3895 Colony Oaks Drive Eugene, OR 97405 E-mail: ghulin@... to check on availability or other questions. These are really well made cars by Des Planes Hobbies and would look good hauling logs or pipe or any other large bulk commodity. They come with both AF and scale wheels and have AF couplers but are marked for scale couplers as well. Order them now while they are still available. Bob Boring [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32896	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Running a business

I/we hesitate to get involved in the conversations regarding S-Gauge/scale businesses, but feel that another approach can be pointed out. Sam and I started SnS Trains with no guarantee of customers, no advance payments required to get a product off the ground or even any contacts in the model train world. We just had faith that what we were going to produce would be accepted by the community. We each put an equal amount of dollars into a pot and began to stir. We ordered 1000 custom made DC motors from a factory to build our steamer can motors on. We also ordered 1000 custom made worms to go on those motors along with the needed small parts to make 1000 motor kits. We took a risk knowing that we could make a good product, but no idea of how it would be received and purchased. When it proved out, we again invested in 1000 motors for our Diesel project. I am happy to say that over 1,600 of the steamer motors have been sold and the Diesel project is also on a roll. Those sales now give us the opportunity to try to develop more products like the track cleaning car that we just released. We are getting rave reviews from people that have bought them. That program is in it's infancy but we expect it will be a success too. I almost shudder to think what might happen if we advertised in S-Gaugian, The Dispatch, and other model train publications. We would have to really start a business and hire people to do what we now do entirely by ourselves. Not gonna happen. Right now the two gremlins that do the manufacturing, selling, and shipping are content to let our hobby pay it's own way. I guess my/our statement is that "If you build it, they will come." Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32897	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: SSA Husky Stack kits

I have found one, but I am still looking to find a couple more S-Scale America-DPH Husky Stack kits. I expect there are several out there on shelves that will not be built now that DPH has the assembled models available. If you have one or more you don't plan to build, please contact me directly. Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32898	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2004
Subject: Time Warp!!!

Y'all....I don't know what happened here, but 12 hours of this list are missing! Evidently nothing was posted between Midnight and Noon on November 11th.....I know this to be wrong as I posted at about quarter to six this morning. Is this the work of aliens? Was our list abducted, examined, and returned by them, except that they miscalculated the time factor? Will they return, only to abduct again? Or was this the work of the Yahoo Universe? Strange things often happen there! Other groups I'm on have experianced missing time occasionally as well. Does anyone have any idea what happened? Stumpy Stone...Keep watching the skys!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32899	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Around the corner

I wrote earlier with A Happy THANksgiving note to all---aol interferred and it was lost to their advertisement. and so now again " a HappY wish for everyone to have a safe & pleasent Thanksgiving Day" ......JAY JETS polpolk9@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Ocala meet ...

Anybody know the location of the Ocala meet and times tomorrow... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32901	From: dcupluvr@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Re: Ocala meet ...

Nov. 13,14` Ocala. Lions’ Club Train Show & Swap Meet. National Guard Armory, 900 S.W.20th Street. Sat. 9 – 4; Sunday 10 – 3; $4, under 13 free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32902	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: SHS discount

Does anyone in the country discount SHS? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32903	From: Tom	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Block signal HO 252

What is known about this signal Pictures in Photo album MVC 855 856 & 857 newest photos Thanks to all Tom Tomminil@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32904	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: AM 3 bay hopper

Has anyone found out what the story is on the new American Models 3 bay offset hopper? Ads in the S Gaugian and pictures on AM's website clearly show two different bodies for these cars. The Reading "Blue Coal" car that I have has very short vertical ribs at the top of the sides with only three rivets showing. Other cars, such as the Missouri Pacific car shown in the ad, have much longer ribs with eight rivets showing. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great model and plan to buy more, but I'm just wondering if there really are two body types or are these pictures of some preproduction samples or something. Two different models would be good! Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32905	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 14, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32906	From: keefer1	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: 752 coal loader

Does anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a coal loader? I need a button too, how do I tell if it should have a 2 or 3 button controller? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32907	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: B&O RR Museum

In the Baltimore area, we are celebrating the reopening of the B&O RR Museum, The roundhouse and many exhibits were destroyed or damaged when the roof collapsed last February under the weight of 28 inches of snow. This weekend the museum reopens. Following is a part of an article from The Baltimore Sun. The theme seems to be that new life has been born out of tragedy. "Working with SMG Architects, Century Engineering and the Whiting Turner Contracting Co., the museum restored the 45,000-square-foot roundhouse to its original appearance, while strengthening structural systems. The refurbished museum features a new entrance, four exhibit galleries and an expanded gift shop. Elsewhere on the grounds are new attractions, with more due by spring. In practically every way, the museum has reinvented itself to be more meaningful and accessible to the thousands who come through its doors every year. Barriers to the disabled have been removed. Even the labels on the exhibits have been rewritten so they're no longer geared solely to railroad buffs. There's now more emphasis on the people behind the railroad - and its impact on their lives. The storm gave directors an "incredible opportunity" to rethink the way the museum tells the story of Baltimore's role in railroading, Wilson says. "When you have something that large and catastrophic happen, it forces you to examine your core values," he says. As a result, "I feel like the museum is new. It might look the same from the outside. But the visitor's experience is going to be totally different." The B&O Railroad was chartered in 1827 in a pioneering effort to link Baltimore with the Ohio River 300 miles away. The railroad's Mount Clare Shops property at Pratt and Poppleton streets contains the first stone laid for the railroad and the first 1.3 miles of track ever used for long-distance commercial rail travel in America. In 1953, the railroad created the B&O Transportation Museum, and made the roundhouse its home. It was renamed the B&O Railroad Museum in 1976 and renovated in time for the nation's bicentennial. In the early 1990s, CSX Corp., which had absorbed the B&O Railroad, formed a private, nonprofit entity to run the museum and deeded 25 acres to it. In 1999, the museum became a full affiliate of the Smithsonian Institution. The reopening coincides with the start of the season that typically brings the museum its biggest crowds, the period between Thanksgiving and New Year's. That's when the museum mounts its Holiday Festival of Trains, featuring scale models and toy trains. This year's festival begins Nov. 26 and runs through Jan. 2, with exhibits changing weekly." Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32908	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: Great American Train Show

The Northwest S Scalers will have our layout set up at the Great American Train Show at the Convention Center in Portland Or.Saturday and Sunday. We will be doing our best to represent S scale to the masses. If you are in the area stop by and say hi. Bob Boring NWSS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32909	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/12/2004
Subject: AF #252 Block Signal

Someone asked what this was but I accidentally deleted the email, so I hope he reads this response. I found it listed in the prewar 1940 (page 46), 1941 and postwar 1946 catalogs as HO accessory #252. Description is a little vague. Says an electrically operated shutter changes the signal between red and green. Later catalogs list a different HO block signal. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32910	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: 24733 HEAVYWEIGHTS

I have a chance to get 2 - 24733 PIKES PEAK Cars in stamped brownish tan boxes...... Book says 700 in E..... these might go a little better...... what do you all think of the this car.... I don't ever remember even seeing one before.... The Obs would be almost impossible....what do the lists show? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32911	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: Other Railroads with X-29 boxcars

Hi John & List, First, I will be posting a Pennsy S Models X29 project update very soon. There is no - in PRR car classes. Yes, other railroads owned true X29 too. If you looked at the AAR variants, which is an almost X29, that greatly increases that roads that had them. I knew about the Chicago Great Western because the only unpainted car that was ordered is supposed to become CGW when our customer gets it. I suspected that Nickel Plate Road had them too because of photos I took at the 2002 NASG convention in Ohio. Here is one shot I took at the Mad River Museum. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/NKP_X29.jpg I have recently confirmed that the NKP car is a true X29. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32912	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: 24733 Heavyweights

Bob, these are uncommon and very hard to find in E or better condition.  I have only seen a couple of dozen in the last twenty years. The Obs., not sure if they exist.      If you've got the dough, go for it.  I bought a set with heavyweights about 15 years ago. It has a 918, 953, 24733 & 978. The large brown box for the 918 is stamped 25005, the red/white box for the 953 is stamped 24739, the box for the 24733 is stamped 24733 and the red/white box for the 978 is stamped 25039.  The engine for the set is an Atlantic, # 21105 in a brown box with same number and tender is in it's own box. Can't remember the number for the tender. The set is in a plain brown corrugated box, stamped in black, SET NO. 20145.  date on box is 1958.      If any of you knew Bill Jackson, he had a set with the 25005, 24739, 24733 & 25039. Now I believed Bill that they were the real thing. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32913	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/13/2004
Subject: Re: Ocala meet ...

Hey.... thanks for sending me the info....... Picked up more stuff... will list later..... lots of "S" there.... 3 people had it..... Got a Truscott set... no box.... no cannon or flat sides.....all coaches, engine and freight cars still nice.... track too ... all paper nice with mountain stuff..... 100.00.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32914	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? - Don't beleieve it !!!!!

It's like the nasty rumor that the recent national election has a winner... Don't believe it... AF is like money in the bank.... -----Original Message----- From: fredstrainparts@... [mailto:fredstrainparts@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:12 PM To: mlmarmer@...; timboy@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? AF failed??? When did this happen???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32915	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me!

Bob, Do you live next to Shriek - another mean green ogre in the business forest? "...infinitesimally small market ..." Interesting metaphor: so that means no matter how small you say it is - I can show that it can always be made smaller!!!! What's the limit - 0 ....I guess.... "Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing about business or manufacturing." You know - that's the bitch about freedom of speech in yahoo groups... actually studies have shown that interest groups such as this one tend to have highly educated participants.... but I guess there are always the philistine exceptions like you that make assumptions to fit their views of things... remember - Never say never! "No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the product away, concede every point to every customer and not have any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING"." My personal recommendation, which I am sure you will value, is forget the 2nd job - try to get a 2nd personality that is customer oriented... maybe at least you feel better about us and yourself... "American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, and not a kid getting his first train set." Reminds me of what all burn outs in their business fields say: "This would be a great business, if it just wasn't for the people!" Bob, seriously, maybe its time to retire... why do what you obviously can't stand... mmm ... like a popular modern rapp song goes - MUST BE THE MONEY!!!! Why use the business defense that you cloak yourself in while you berate the fine people in this group... I am a capitalist myself and a businessman, like Shakespeare said "To thy own self be true"... All this started when a group member asked an innocent question about the price of starter sets.... Retire - get out of the kitchen before you burn yourself up - it isn't worth it... you can drain the swamp and shoot all the alligators - but there are always going to be more (I'm sure you consider me and other customers one) - its how you react to them that will define you... Spend your days running that little flyer circle layout, get mesmerized by the constant circling of the train and be happy... what the heck - try to harvest oysters in Oyster Bay!... The world, including the business world, will be a better place... God bless you and all business people like you... :) Scott -----Original Message----- From: rfgiardina [mailto:rfgco@...] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS What seems not to have occurred to anyone complaining about Lionel or any other "S" manufacture, is just how infinitesimally small the "S" market is. The mere fact that anyone would invest their time and money in it, is a wonder. Add to that is the constant bitching and moaning about this one or that, the rummer mill and finger pointing. Tim Brown made the most astute point the other day about anatomy, only he should have stated it as a general rule. Several months ago there was a tread about grouchy manufacturers. One wonders what do all these manufactures have in common that would make otherwise mild mannered philanthropists grouchy? Numerous treads have bemoaned the lack of this thing or that, "at reasonable prices". What is a reasonable price, when there are complaints about this or that, costing $2.00. Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing about business or manufacturing. No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the product away, concede every point to every customer and not have any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING". 1000 customers, does not make a viable customer base for selling $150.00 items. You can't get the cost down with production runs that small. Production runs and sales in the many thousands, bring costs and prices down. But don't let those facts get in the way. You want more products, you have to be willing to pay higher prices to attract investment. You have to support manufacturers till it hurts. Don't be offended when it is suggested that they are doing you a favor by making the product. Then turn around and ask favors and get offended because they are in business and not your buddy. You can't ask for products to be made cheaper and not in my backyard, then get offended when it is outsourced to China. Years ago, products from Japan, Taiwan and China, were thought to be cheap and inferior, now they are quality products, probably because they are cheaper. American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, and not a kid getting his first train set. What a joy, not to be concerned about the number of wheels, rivets, rumors or personalities, just a train on a circle of track, smoking and going choo choo. Bob Giardina S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32916	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? Business profits....

Mark, A healthy company usually ends up with an average over the years of 15% net profit b4 taxes..... I thought this was a high figure...I thought a net profit of 5-7 % is more the average when I was taking business courses.... Does anyone else know ? Even less to slice up.... Scott Dollinger -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kiner [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS If you don't wish to read a soapbox comment delete now.. I watch these banterings about AF, SHS. There is usually a lot of criticism for Flyonell. (Especially relative to their product quality/fidelity to prototype, etc.) I also frequently see Lionel Corp criticized for taking production outside of the country. I don't want to criticize SHS, but they started out with their production outside of this country. We should use the same measure if we are going to judge in this way. From what I can gather SHS does product selection/research, and then invests in the offshore design/production. (more of a product management function.) All design work is done off-shore. All product is manufactured/assembled off shore. It appears that boxes are received and warehoused in their facility. Marketing consists of traveling to shows, frequenting places like this forum, advertising in relevant mags and setting up an e-marketing website. These are the earmarks of a low overhead operation. This allows them to produce lower volumes and better detail at lower cost. What I find fascinating is that as soon as changes start to occur at Lionel where they begin to adjust their business to fit today's environment (and an environment closer to SHS) they are badmouthed. Remember all the bashing that occurred when they started to close down domestic assembly operations! I really have no idea, but I suspect that the MIK was produced using a similar process to SHS. You cannot produce the quality of the MIK in this country with all manufacturing and assembly processes occurring in this country for the price that most of us are willing pay. Profits for manufacturing companies are very delicate. A healthy company usually ends up with an average over the years of 15% net profit b4 taxes. You don't have to mess up very many slices of the pie to shrink that profit quickly. The company I work for expends over 65% of its sales revenue in materials, and we do all fabrication, machining, and assembly in house. We too at some point are going to be forced to move some fabrication processes off shore. We do not do this, but at the time the first competitor does it and drops the price to reflect the savings you are in a price war that will lead to your demise. You must find equivalent efficiencies internally or move off shore with certain processes yourself. You look around at the employees you have and consider the options. You may have to lay off part of your production force commensurate with the outsourced production operations in order to preserve the jobs of those that remain. Unfortunately in this world many times a few have to sacrifice to protect those that remain. The answer lies in productivity. So simple to say, yet so difficult to improve. If every worker in this country (from upper level manager to shop floor) thought of the company he worked for as "his" company it would be easier. I would bet if you were inside the walls of Lionel there would be a little more respect for their decision making. Especially if you consider it to be your money you are laying on the line, and your friends and neighbors as employees for 15% b4 tax. -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:29 PM To: Tim Brown; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nasty Rumor? Tim, You got it, as that works in any business, like the restuarant trade or hobby, as that most likely would be the case for anyone wanting to invest in the AF line. However, most of the reasons that these businees failed is due to poor marketing, poor management, and poor operations of the business. So, if one does the above, you can be very profitable, for the most part. AF failed because of the above and the competition like S Helper doing a better job to reach those in the S train market. Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32917	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Time Warp!!!

WE need to get Agent Mulder and Agent Skully from the X-Files on this immediately!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Time Warp!!! Y'all....I don't know what happened here, but 12 hours of this list are missing! Evidently nothing was posted between Midnight and Noon on November 11th.....I know this to be wrong as I posted at about quarter to six this morning. Is this the work of aliens? Was our list abducted, examined, and returned by them, except that they miscalculated the time factor? Will they return, only to abduct again? Or was this the work of the Yahoo Universe? Strange things often happen there! Other groups I'm on have experianced missing time occasionally as well. Does anyone have any idea what happened? Stumpy Stone...Keep watching the skys! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32918	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me!

Scott, Since you've never ordered from us, I wonder why you seem to be so upset? Get a grip man. There is freedom of speech, for everyone, not just those who want to bash manufacturers. If you don't like my attitude, and I wonder how you would know I have one? Just DELETE! You don't have to believe or agree with what I say, but I have a right to say it. Customers have attitudes and personalities also. We manufactures deal with that, we don't name them, we don't post messages to boycott them, or tell them to get another hobby. It's part of doing business. You're upset at something. OK, But try to find out what it really is and you'll be much happier. But if you feel better, in the mean time, to bash me, go ahead, I can take it. That which does not destroy me makes me stronger. A little therapy for you, and my good deed for the day. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > Bob, > > Do you live next to Shriek - another mean green ogre in the business > forest? > > "...infinitesimally small market ..." > > Interesting metaphor: > so that means no matter how small you say it is - I can show that it can > always be made smaller!!!! What's the limit - 0 ....I guess.... > > "Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put > their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing > about business or manufacturing." > > You know - that's the bitch about freedom of speech in yahoo groups... > actually studies have shown that interest groups such as this one tend > to have highly educated participants.... but I guess there are always > the philistine exceptions like you that make assumptions to fit their > views of things... remember - Never say never! > > "No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the > product away, concede every point to every customer and not have > any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should > not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a > second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING"." > > My personal recommendation, which I am sure you will value, is forget > the 2nd job - try to get a 2nd personality that is customer oriented... > maybe at least you feel better about us and yourself... > > "American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment > and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a > collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first > train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, > and not a kid getting his first train set." > > Reminds me of what all burn outs in their business fields say: > > "This would be a great business, if it just wasn't for the people!" > > Bob, seriously, maybe its time to retire... why do what you obviously > can't stand... mmm ... like a popular modern rapp song goes - MUST BE > THE MONEY!!!! > > Why use the business defense that you cloak yourself in while you berate > the fine people in this group... I am a capitalist myself and a > businessman, like Shakespeare said "To thy own self be true"... > > All this started when a group member asked an innocent question about > the price of starter sets.... > > Retire - get out of the kitchen before you burn yourself up - it isn't > worth it... you can drain the swamp and shoot all the alligators - but > there are always going to be more (I'm sure you consider me and other > customers one) - its how you react to them that will define you... > > Spend your days running that little flyer circle layout, get mesmerized > by the constant circling of the train and be happy... what the heck - > try to harvest oysters in Oyster Bay!... The world, including the > business world, will be a better place... > > God bless you and all business people like you... > > :) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: rfgiardina [mailto:rfgco@s...] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS > > > > What seems not to have occurred to anyone complaining about Lionel > or any other "S" manufacture, is just how infinitesimally small > the "S" market is. The mere fact that anyone would invest their time > and money in it, is a wonder. Add to that is the constant bitching > and moaning about this one or that, the rummer mill and finger > pointing. > > Tim Brown made the most astute point the other day about anatomy, > only he should have stated it as a general rule. > > Several months ago there was a tread about grouchy manufacturers. > One wonders what do all these manufactures have in common that would > make otherwise mild mannered philanthropists grouchy? > > Numerous treads have bemoaned the lack of this thing or that, "at > reasonable prices". What is a reasonable price, when there are > complaints about this or that, costing $2.00. > > Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put > their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing > about business or manufacturing. > > No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the > product away, concede every point to every customer and not have > any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should > not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a > second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING". > > 1000 customers, does not make a viable customer base for selling > $150.00 items. You can't get the cost down with production runs that > small. Production runs and sales in the many thousands, bring costs > and prices down. But don't let those facts get in the way. > > You want more products, you have to be willing to pay higher prices > to attract investment. You have to support manufacturers till it > hurts. Don't be offended when it is suggested that they are doing > you a favor by making the product. Then turn around and ask favors > and get offended because they are in business and not your buddy. > > You can't ask for products to be made cheaper and not in my > backyard, then get offended when it is outsourced to China. Years > ago, products from Japan, Taiwan and China, were thought to be cheap > and inferior, now they are quality products, probably because they > are cheaper. > > American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment > and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a > collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first > train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, > and not a kid getting his first train set. What a joy, not to be > concerned about the number of wheels, rivets, rumors or > personalities, just a train on a circle of track, smoking and going > choo choo. > > Bob Giardina > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32919	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Profits

Profits are what make the business world go 'round. Pure and simple. Would you go to work if there was no paycheck at the end of the day? I can tell you flat out that I wouldn't. Work is NOT my hobby or retirement interest. As for the 15% BTP, don't forget that the Feds are going to get 35% of it and the states usually get about 7%. That only leaves a little less than 9%. Inflation is still with us and is in the 2 to 3% range. That leaves about 6 to 7% to live on and to reinvest in the business for new products and growth. That really isn't much. As for offshore manufacturing and other business, I hate to see it. But until we as a nation can redefine the way our economy behaves it is something that we must expect. Businessmen are well aware of the Demand/Supply to Cost curves and how they work. They see their job as making these work for them. Who can blame them? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32920	From: uvl97222	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Great American train show......

Well I went to the show on Saturday, and there was a little AF there. I did Buy a #710 steam whistle control for $40.00 Tell me now do you all think I got a deal on it or not? About ten years back I paid $35.00 for one. Clayton D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 14, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32922	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: AC /DC operation

After asking questions and getting many answers at this group (thanks!), I'm thinking about going to DC operation with some of my old American Flyer locos. This would require a DC can motor to be installed, but eliminates the need for an e-unit of course. Question One...Are lights and smoke units affected by being run on DC? Question Two...What about operating cars? I have an old Flyer "action caboose" and a "log dump car" as well as new Lionel "walking brakeman" and a "lumber unloading car." How will these be affected? Question Three...Would locos already equipped with Dallee electronic e-units and DC can motors be able to be run on DC or must the electronic e-units be removed? Because trackside accessories would still be run on AC I intend to have two transformers on hand anyway. In this way I could switch from AC track power to DC track power when needed as some of you have already suggested. Collectors need not worry because these changes are only planned for a Casey Jones and two Atlantics. Stumpy Stone...playing with Flyer for the first time since I was a kid and enjoying it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32923	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Scenery Unlimited Diaphraghms

I have three pair of Scenery Unlimited diaphragms. I removed them from some AM Amtrak passenger cars I bought. (They are not a good fit for the Amtrak cars.) They stick our about 3/8 inch from the car, but that can be reduced by cutting off one or more bellows. They match the SU description except that the metal plates in the bellows are steel not aluminum. I don't know if these are older versions or if the description is inaccurate. They are in fine condition but I notice a slight amount of rust on a couple metal plates. Because I took them off passenger cars, there is a little paint stuck to the brass plate that fits to the car. You can scrape it off or glue over it. SU sells them for $7.95/pair, plus $8.25 per order. I will sell all three pair for $12 or best offer, plus $2 for shipping. If you think I am asking too much, send me your offer anyway, I will take it if it is the best offer I get. If you are willing to pay more, send me your offer and you may win. In case of a tie, the first offer wins. Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32924	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Re: What's in a name? 2 bobs? 3 bobs 4 bobs?

TO ALL THE BOBs at RFG, I read what the other mfg'ers posted and they did not berate the group in their responses.... No axes to grind for me, just responsive spears to your general group barbs... I don't recall ever ordering anything from you, but facts do not seem to be a strong point in your so called postings... Gee, if you are happy then why all the recalcitrant postings critical of the group when ever such a topic comes up? I must confess, that it does irritate me, and I don't make it a habit to communicate with such lost folks, and so I respond back with my own suggestions that I know you really appreciate. If you feel the legitimate need to express an opinion - then do it in a decent manner - don't so umbrageous... Yes, I live in Flyerville all my life AND IT IS THE UNIVERSE!!!!!... I am just a little pissant from that small world... strange that all the Bob's at RFG are so irritated by such a small person in a small world... Wasn't there a Disney song called "It's a small world"? I'll go for therapy - but I thought the trains were helping me - if you go for a lobotomy... if it's a deal - I'm in... Not really productive time responding to your continued negative personal attacks.... better things to do with my life... let the frustration consume you and I will look forward to your mean spirited postings in the future... it'll gives me something to laugh at... I'll ignore responding since its And you keep sending me off list responses under different group logon names? What are you hiding from? Will the real "Bob" please stand up and be a man. So who are you - are you different Bob's that all know each other at RFG? If so, say hello to all the Bob's at RFG for me! Maybe all of you Bob's need to recalibrate your lives by calming down... SMILE AND BE HAPPY!!!! I'm out of this thread and get a life men (bobs).... God bless all the Bobs at RFG, :>) -----Original Message----- From: rfgcosurfbest [mailto:rfgco@...] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:24 AM To: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me! Scott, There are always exceptions to every rule. I am lucky that I don't depend on you or the other 900 or so that make up the S Trains Group. I happen to like what I do and the vast majority of the over 20,000 active customers I have. And they like what I do and an example of that is our Ebay Feedback. There are a few like you in every bunch. We dismiss you as we would a cold. You live in the little world of S Trains and think it is the entire universe. It's funny that the other manufactures in the group responded affirmatively to my comments, so I guess you would say they too should retire. Wake up and smell the coffee, you have some axe to grind against me and you are blinded by your myopic vision. Your only contact with me was to order a catalog in 2000, yet you prognosticate and call for a boycott, who needs an attitude adjustment? You are the ogre, because of your self centered attitude you want to spoil it for all the many thousands of people we help, by producing parts that no one else can or will. I've been very successful for more than 30 years, and yes I have made a lot of money, and a lot of people happy. You can't stand that, too bad. I at least have the integrity to state things the way the are, if you don't like me for it, so be it. I don't kiss anyone's ass and then stab them in the back. You remind me of a person who would stop breathing because the air was too cold. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: "'rfgiardina'" <rfgco@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:22 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor? He hate me! > Bob, > > Do you live next to Shriek - another mean green ogre in the business > forest? > > "...infinitesimally small market ..." > > Interesting metaphor: > so that means no matter how small you say it is - I can show that it can > always be made smaller!!!! What's the limit - 0 ....I guess.... > > "Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put > their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing > about business or manufacturing." > > You know - that's the bitch about freedom of speech in yahoo groups... > actually studies have shown that interest groups such as this one tend > to have highly educated participants.... but I guess there are always > the philistine exceptions like you that make assumptions to fit their > views of things... remember - Never say never! > > "No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the > product away, concede every point to every customer and not have > any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should > not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a > second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING"." > > My personal recommendation, which I am sure you will value, is forget > the 2nd job - try to get a 2nd personality that is customer oriented... > maybe at least you feel better about us and yourself... > > "American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment > and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a > collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first > train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, > and not a kid getting his first train set." > > Reminds me of what all burn outs in their business fields say: > > "This would be a great business, if it just wasn't for the people!" > > Bob, seriously, maybe its time to retire... why do what you obviously > can't stand... mmm ... like a popular modern rapp song goes - MUST BE > THE MONEY!!!! > > Why use the business defense that you cloak yourself in while you berate > the fine people in this group... I am a capitalist myself and a > businessman, like Shakespeare said "To thy own self be true"... > > All this started when a group member asked an innocent question about > the price of starter sets.... > > Retire - get out of the kitchen before you burn yourself up - it isn't > worth it... you can drain the swamp and shoot all the alligators - but > there are always going to be more (I'm sure you consider me and other > customers one) - its how you react to them that will define you... > > Spend your days running that little flyer circle layout, get mesmerized > by the constant circling of the train and be happy... what the heck - > try to harvest oysters in Oyster Bay!... The world, including the > business world, will be a better place... > > God bless you and all business people like you... > > :) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: rfgiardina [mailto:rfgco@...] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Nasty Rumor? now diatribe on Lionel vs SHS > > > > What seems not to have occurred to anyone complaining about Lionel > or any other "S" manufacture, is just how infinitesimally small > the "S" market is. The mere fact that anyone would invest their time > and money in it, is a wonder. Add to that is the constant bitching > and moaning about this one or that, the rummer mill and finger > pointing. > > Tim Brown made the most astute point the other day about anatomy, > only he should have stated it as a general rule. > > Several months ago there was a tread about grouchy manufacturers. > One wonders what do all these manufactures have in common that would > make otherwise mild mannered philanthropists grouchy? > > Numerous treads have bemoaned the lack of this thing or that, "at > reasonable prices". What is a reasonable price, when there are > complaints about this or that, costing $2.00. > > Most of the complaints seem to come from those or have never put > their money were their mouths are, and don't know the first thing > about business or manufacturing. > > No this isn't about business this is a hobby and we should give the > product away, concede every point to every customer and not have > any terms, rules or integrity. All dealers and manufactures should > not rely on the proceeds of their business and most of all get a > second job to fund "SHIPPING AND HANDLING". > > 1000 customers, does not make a viable customer base for selling > $150.00 items. You can't get the cost down with production runs that > small. Production runs and sales in the many thousands, bring costs > and prices down. But don't let those facts get in the way. > > You want more products, you have to be willing to pay higher prices > to attract investment. You have to support manufacturers till it > hurts. Don't be offended when it is suggested that they are doing > you a favor by making the product. Then turn around and ask favors > and get offended because they are in business and not your buddy. > > You can't ask for products to be made cheaper and not in my > backyard, then get offended when it is outsourced to China. Years > ago, products from Japan, Taiwan and China, were thought to be cheap > and inferior, now they are quality products, probably because they > are cheaper. > > American Flyer Trains were toys, not collectibles, not an investment > and not meant to be anything more than a toy. Now everyone is a > collector a hobbyist or a modeler, and not a kid getting his first > train set. Now everyone is an expert, a commentator or an analyst, > and not a kid getting his first train set. What a joy, not to be > concerned about the number of wheels, rivets, rumors or > personalities, just a train on a circle of track, smoking and going > choo choo. > > Bob Giardina > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32925	From: roy inman	Date: 11/14/2004
Subject: Polar Express, the movie

Greetings to all :) From my long decades of being a movie fan and from my few brief personal encounters up close and personal working around movie sets, I know that sometimes producers/writers/directors, et al, include an in-group joke or comment or whatever just because they can. That is the way I took a remark make by Tom Hanks' character, the conductor, in the new Polar Express movie I just saw. In the scene, there are a bunch of elves jumping out of a twin dirigible (don't ask, it would spoil the plot for those who haven't seen it). As they are parachuting down to the North Pole city, one of the visiting kids asks "who are they"? (the elves). To which the conductor, AKA Tom Hanks replies, "Those are Flyonels." "Flying elves" maybe is what he was trying for, but it comes out as the way some of us on this list describe that newer AF stuff made by the big L. I know, I know, I have Flyer on the brain, so cut me a little slack already... A good movie, BTW, for a train nut like myself, and for kids over five or so. Pretty intense for three year olds, IMHO. Animation is amazing. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32926	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: What's in a name? 2 bobs? 3 bobs 4 bobs?

Scott, I only emailed you once in response to your email to me, and that was off list as has been requested by Paul. I don't have any other log in names, so if you got other emails they must have been from others who felt as I did about your name calling. Why don't you take your own advice and take your name calling and calls for boycotts elsewhere, especially about people you admit you've never had any contact with. Bob Giardina

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32927	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: buying parts from rfgco

I am somewhat new to this list. Have gotten a lot of terrific advice by reading. Don't like the name calling stuff. I have purchased a lot of parts from Bob Giardina, have had no trouble and am a VERY satisfied customer. Thanks Bob. Now how about more useful information like how does one go about replacing the vibrating mat in the shelter on a Guilford station? Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32928	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: buying parts from rfgco

Thank you Larry. Even though we make that mat, I haven't looked at that in a while. But for you, I will look at that today and let you know. You can also use the Ask A.C. link on our web site, if you have any other questions, YOU'LL get PRIORITY treatment :) Thanks, Bob Giardina --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, schliess@e... wrote: > > I am somewhat new to this list. Have gotten a lot of terrific advice by > reading. Don't like the name calling stuff. I have purchased a lot of > parts from Bob Giardina, have had no trouble and am a VERY satisfied > customer. > Thanks Bob. > Now how about more useful information like how does one go about > replacing the vibrating mat in the shelter on a Guilford station? > Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32929	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: AC /DC operation

See answers below: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC /DC operation > > After asking questions and getting many answers at this group > (thanks!), I'm thinking about going to DC operation with some of my > old American Flyer locos. This would require a DC can motor to be > installed, but eliminates the need for an e-unit of course. You don't need a can motor, you can run DC with a Flyer motor. You can reverse with an e unit but I find they tend to stick on DC. For how to easily rewire a Flyer motor to run on DC and polarity reverse see this link: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm > Question One...Are lights and smoke units affected by being run on > DC? No > Question Two...What about operating cars? I have an old > Flyer "action caboose" and a "log dump car" as well as new > Lionel "walking brakeman" and a "lumber unloading car." How will > these be affected? Most action cars using a solenoid will work OK. The vibrating action of cars like the Walking Brakeman or a cattle pen accessory won't work on DC. You can run AC for the action cars by sharing the ground with an independent AC curcuit. > Question Three...Would locos already equipped with Dallee electronic > e-units and DC can motors be able to be run on DC or must the > electronic e-units be removed? The Dallee reverse units I have (in American Models diesels) works on both AC and DC, but I don't know if this applies to all Dallees. > Because trackside accessories would still be run on AC I intend to > have two transformers on hand anyway. In this way I could switch > from AC track power to DC track power when needed as some of you have > already suggested. > Collectors need not worry because these changes are only planned for > a Casey Jones and two Atlantics. > Stumpy Stone...playing with Flyer for the first time since I was a > kid and enjoying it. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32930	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: B&O RR Museum

To All S Gaugers: The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be one of the scale train layouts set up for the reopening of the B&O Museum. Our weekend is December 18 and 19, with our setup Friday afternoon. We operate all hi-rail locomotives, engines and rolling stock on original Flyer track and switches - American Flyer, Flyonel, S Helper, American Models and costume conversions, so stop by and say "Hello" and enjoy some S-Gauge trains. Hope to see you there! Greg Lovettsville, VA "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...> wrote: In the Baltimore area, we are celebrating the reopening of the B&O RR Museum, The roundhouse and many exhibits were destroyed or damaged when the roof collapsed last February under the weight of 28 inches of snow. This weekend the museum reopens. Following is a part of an article from The Baltimore Sun. The theme seems to be that new life has been born out of tragedy. "Working with SMG Architects, Century Engineering and the Whiting Turner Contracting Co., the museum restored the 45,000-square-foot roundhouse to its original appearance, while strengthening structural systems. The refurbished museum features a new entrance, four exhibit galleries and an expanded gift shop. Elsewhere on the grounds are new attractions, with more due by spring. In practically every way, the museum has reinvented itself to be more meaningful and accessible to the thousands who come through its doors every year. Barriers to the disabled have been removed. Even the labels on the exhibits have been rewritten so they're no longer geared solely to railroad buffs. There's now more emphasis on the people behind the railroad - and its impact on their lives. The storm gave directors an "incredible opportunity" to rethink the way the museum tells the story of Baltimore's role in railroading, Wilson says. "When you have something that large and catastrophic happen, it forces you to examine your core values," he says. As a result, "I feel like the museum is new. It might look the same from the outside. But the visitor's experience is going to be totally different." The B&O Railroad was chartered in 1827 in a pioneering effort to link Baltimore with the Ohio River 300 miles away. The railroad's Mount Clare Shops property at Pratt and Poppleton streets contains the first stone laid for the railroad and the first 1.3 miles of track ever used for long-distance commercial rail travel in America. In 1953, the railroad created the B&O Transportation Museum, and made the roundhouse its home. It was renamed the B&O Railroad Museum in 1976 and renovated in time for the nation's bicentennial. In the early 1990s, CSX Corp., which had absorbed the B&O Railroad, formed a private, nonprofit entity to run the museum and deeded 25 acres to it. In 1999, the museum became a full affiliate of the Smithsonian Institution. The reopening coincides with the start of the season that typically brings the museum its biggest crowds, the period between Thanksgiving and New Year's. That's when the museum mounts its Holiday Festival of Trains, featuring scale models and toy trains. This year's festival begins Nov. 26 and runs through Jan. 2, with exhibits changing weekly." Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that�s new in My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32931	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: tortoises

Hi, I bought a bunch of used Tortoise switch machines, does anybody know how much power they need to operate? I've been all over the web, found lots of great info for Tortoises and DCC, but never a mention of what it takes to drive them. I would like to use an old Flyer transformer with a bridged rectifier, this would give me a little over 16VDC. Is that too much for the Tortoises? Thanks, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32932	From: race944t	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: NRVMRR Show Report

For those not in the know NRVMRR is the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad. I attended my first, although it has been going on for 20 years, show with them and WOW! What a great show in Raleigh, NC. There were kids, kids and more kids. The Atlantic Coast "S" Gaugers had a huge display. I'm guessing 50+ modules. You will be interested to know that there was a "3" railer display and an HO display. So...... what was the most popular display you ask. You did ask didn't you? Well let's just say the "S" display had people around it all the time and the HO display didn't. I guess when you put those rope baracades around your display you are saying, "These things are very fragile and aren't really toys". My hat is off to the Atlantic Coast "S" Gaugers for letting kids (and grumps) get up close and personal to the trains. Joe Haenn can give a better summary of the specifics but I was very impressed. Oh, I had a good show too. It was actually better than York! I sold everything from anyone's definition of junk to some VG+ to E- stuff. Can't wait until next year! Joe, please elaborate if you get the chance. I enjoyed being next to your booth. Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32933	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Junk and better stuff for sale

Have a list of operator items for sale- nothing excellent, but all priced reasonably. Email me at marski@... for a listing. Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32934	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy

Just heard this on the radio this afternoon. They gave no details. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32935	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

855 ERCX Excel Railcar Corp. 2 bay cement car. 3-95 http://mopac1.tripod.com/855.gif 856 MRS 4 bay covered hopper. 2-94 http://mopac1.tripod.com/856.gif 857 WW Winchester & Western 2 bay covered hopper. 4-97 http://mopac1.tripod.com/857.gif 858 NATX General Electric Rail Services Corp. 50 ft tank car. 6-71 http://mopac1.tripod.com/858.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32936	From: Dennis Back	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)

--- Donald Thompson wrote: > Just heard this on the radio this afternoon. > They gave no details. Here's a link with an article: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=4929 Ragards, Dennis (who hasn't written in a while...but still lurks) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32937	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Lionel files for bankruptcy

Updated: 07:25 PM EST Michigan model train maker Lionel files for bankruptcy <EMBED src="http://ar.atwola.com/content/B0/0/H7pTL2Luf0_kw3xmlj8W1sns8a9RRNke8_SAqLzKBa609jmULHVa8jgFKtiL69KXgZBjLDIDqI3dNvfeS2elk7wxBSWSqPMw6zOVqYrr3M4$/a ol?clickTAG=http://ar.atwola.com/redir/B0/nb9PHOuC10nNIxS87ThXsUhKu_NS_rrr72yD bvFp3b5bXqNWHSLJww$$/" loop=false quality=high bgcolor=#FFFFFF swLiveConnect=FALSE WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=600 TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash"></EMBED> CHESTERFIELD TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) - Model train maker Lionel LLC said Monday that it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection because of a jury's ruling that it must pay a rival for misappropriating designs. A U.S. District Court jury in Detroit ruled Oct. 4 that Lionel and others must pay $40.8 million to Mike's Train House Inc. Lionel is appealing the decision. Mike's Train House, based in Columbia, Md., sued Lionel in 2000, saying Lionel sold trains made from designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer hired by Mike's Train House. The jury found that Lionel, along with its supplier Korea Brass Co. Ltd. and an individual, Yoo Chan Yang, earned millions of dollars by misusing designs that belonged to the Mike's Train House. Lionel chief executive Jerry Calabrese said the only reason for the filing is the legal case. "Lionel is a sound company that enjoys healthy sales, growing demand for our products and the best brand and reputation in the business," he said in a news release. Lionel is based in Macomb County's Chesterfield Township, north of Detroit. It was founded in New York in 1900 as Lionel Manufacturing Co. On the Net: Lionel LLC: http://www.lionel.com Mike's Train House Inc.: http://www.mth-railking.com 11/15/04 19:23 EST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32938	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)

Bankruptcy, chapter 11, does not mean a business is out of business, yet. Bankruptcy gives the business time to re-organize and get with creditors to pay back it debt, usually at much less on the dollar owed, as with Chapter 7, with is completely out of business, the creditors get nothing. So, this doesn't mean that Lionel is out of business . So, as a consumer, it is business as usual. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32939	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express, the movie

We saw this movie today, and after hearing so many in the media give it poor reviews, I wonder if they reviewed the same movie. This movie is wonderful! A must see for train / Christmas lovers... Yes, one reference to Flyingelves, and the boy did receive for Christmas a 3 rail toy Polar Express train. On another note, on the way home from the movie we stopped at Sams Club. They have a Bachman G gauge Christmas train for $129.99. This thing was really nice! I was really tempted to buy it and put it under one of our 2 Christmas trees we put up. It was really pretty! Left it there for now! My Christmas layout with Flyer is in process, the S-Helper track is layed on its white snow fabric. Work in Progress...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32940	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Re: AC /DC operation

Dear Stumpy, After seeing you questions, I forwarded to Dallas Gutacker of Dallee Electronics (makers of LocoMatic Sound). He replied the following: Dallas wrote: > After asking questions and getting many answers at this group > (thanks!), I'm thinking about going to DC operation with some of my > old American Flyer locos. This would require a DC can motor to be > installed, but eliminates the need for an e-unit of course. Question > One...Are lights and smoke units affected by being run on DC? No but the lower voltage you will be operating on will affect the smoke unit and headlight. You probably will get next to no smoke unless you rewind the heating element for a lower voltage. > Question Two...What about operating cars? I have an old Flyer > "action caboose" and a "log dump car" as well as new Lionel "walking > brakeman" and a "lumber unloading car." How will these be affected? As long as they are operated on a separate transformer than the DC track power, they will work just fine. The walking brakeman and action caboose should not be operated on pure DC. They will most likely not work and burn out the coil since it is activated all of the time. The accessory cars, since they operate via a remote rail power input, can still operate on AC fed to the common rail for completing the power to the accessory car. This is why a separate power transformer is required for operating the accessory cars properly. > Question Three...Would locos already equipped with Dallee electronic > e-units and DC can motors be able to be run on DC or must the > electronic e-units be removed? they will still sequence as always but should have no operational problems unless you are trying to draw a lot of current with low voltage on the track. > Because trackside accessories would still be run on AC I intend to > have two transformers on hand anyway. In this way I could switch from > AC track power to DC track power when needed as some of you have > already suggested. That is not necessary, only that the common rail is connected to the DC throttle output and the AC transformer. > Collectors need not worry because these changes are only planned for > a Casey Jones and two Atlantics. Stumpy Stone...playing with Flyer > for the first time since I was a kid and enjoying it. My main question, after reading all of the questions, is why the need for DC if only for these two engines? If it's sequence problems or the use of a DC motor on AC then simply add a Dallee Electronics #400 E-Unit. These will operate AC as well as DC motors with no problem. They will also not intermittently drop out as dirty track problems occur as the original E-Units. I could enter into the LocoMatic added features as well if sound were to be added and it's benefits over DC sound (the main benefit is requiring no batteries for the sound generation) but that can be covered by visiting our web site and reading about it. Later... Dallas dallas@... http://www.dallee.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32941	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/15/2004
Subject: Another Lionel review from CTT

Lionel files for bankruptcy Court ruling over lawsuit prompts filing; day-to-day operations will continue Lionel LLC, the nation's number one model train manufacturer, announced on Monday November 15, 2004, that it has filed a voluntary petition in the Bankruptcy Court of the Southern district of New York for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. The filing was prompted by a $40.8 million judgment against the company for the alleged misappropriation of a competitor's toy train designs by a subcontractor. Lionel's day-to-day operations will continue as usual, including meeting all merchandise shipping obligations customary for the holiday selling period and rolling out new products on schedule. The company remains dedicated to creating and manufacturing the quality product for which it has long been known. Jerry Calabrese, the recently named CEO of Lionel, said, "The MTH judgment alone has forced us to take this action. Lionel is a sound company that enjoys healthy sales, growing demand for our products and the best brand and reputation in the business. Having said that, the size and weight of this judgment is just too much for what is essentially a small business to bear. Taking advantage of bankruptcy protection will not only allow us to pursue an eventual reversal of this unfair decision, it will enable us to create, manufacture and ship our products in our normal and usual way." Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code allows a company to continue to operate its business and manage its assets in the ordinary course of business. (Congress enacted Chapter 11 to enable a debtor to preserve its going concern value and operations, as well as to provide its employees with jobs and to satisfy creditor claims based upon the value of the reorganized company.) Lionel LLC is one of the world's leading marketers of model trains and accessories. Established in 1900, the Lionel name is the most widely recognized brand in the toy train industry and one of the most recognized brands in America. Lionel has been at the center of every major innovation in toy train manufacturing and marketing since its inception.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32942	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Pacific Rail Shops

Has anyone built any of the Pacific Rail Shops cars and installed highrail trucks and couplers on them? It appears that SHS trucks and couplers will work but I am not sure about the bolster height. I recently purchased three of the boxcar and one refrigerator car kits from Discount Model Trains in Addison, TX. These are very nice cars that compare to or exceed the detail level on current production SHS cars. Any help or suggestions are appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32943	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: NRVMRR Show

Thanks to Bill Clarke for his writeup on the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show in Raleigh, NC this past weekend. This show is one of our favorites, because it is always filled with lots of parents and kids as well as Boy Scouts earning the train merit badges. The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers expected to have a 40 by 40 foot layout, but received a call two days before the show asking if we could modify our layout. Since the layout is completely modular, it is very flexible and instead we ran a 26 foot by 50 foot layout with an 8-track passing yard through the middle off of our two T-modules. Four trains were running at all times (2 on the large outer loop using Calvin Azarowicz's portable block system) and one on each of the inner loops (sometimes two on these loops). Rhett George had the beginnings of his new turntable module at the show. The layout was placed in the middle of the show and had constant attention as well as considerable TV coverage. There were more than 60 buttons for kids of all ages to push to operate a myriad of accessories. The Tidewater Division had their Thomas cab there, and the whistle and bell were busy almost all of the time. We were surrounded by a small O gauge layout, a medium-sized N scale layout, and an HO layout, as well as Bill Clarke's display of used American Flyer and Joe's Train Repair's parts and S gauge trains. While the other layouts attracted many adults, the ACSG layout was swarmed with adults and kids at all times. With no stand-offs, everyone can get up close and personal. We were able to sign up 3 new Club members on the spot and sparked considerable enthusiasm in S gauge. One of the Joe's Train Repair starter sets went to a new home with a young boy and his father eager to move up from Thomas. S gauge is truly alive and well in the Carolinas. We also proudly had on display our Bill Krause award plaque, given to us last year by the Connecticut S Gaugers. For those of you who will be attending the NASG Convention in Altoona, PA in July, the ACSG will have a smaller layout there (including, hopefully, at least one module from each of the other five ACSG Divisions), including the Thomas cab and layout from the Tidewater Division. Joe Haenn ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32944	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Starter Sets

I got a chance to talk with Maury Klein at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show. He assures me that K-Line will have S gauge starter sets by next Christmas. We did not talk price, but I would guess we are talking about something in the $150 to $200 price range for a loco built around the greatly enhanced old Marx steamer (now the K-Line 3000 series) with smoke and whistle, cars, track, clip-on, and transformer. This should open up a whole new price entry point for people with small kids wanting to enter S gauge. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32945	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Lionel dealer/distributor memo

> To: Lionel Dealers and Distributors > From: Bob Ryder > Re: Chapter 11 filing > > > As I'm sure you've read, MTH's lawsuit against Lionel moved into > a new phase last week when the judge officially entered the verdict and > judgment against us. As a result of this action, Lionel has filed for > Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. I have attached a copy of the press > release announcing this move for your review. > > This decision probably comes as no surprise since I have been asked > about that possibility ever since the MTH verdict was reached several > months ago. I want to assure you, however, that this is a positive step > taken for one reason and one reason only: to ensure that Lionel's > day-to-day business and pursuit of excellence continues unabated in the > face of this unfair and ultimately reversible legal judgement. > > In our case, as it was for companies like Texaco, bankruptcy protection > is simply a tool that helps facilitate the appeals process. More > importantly, it protects our ability to develop and deliver the > extraordinary product, groundbreaking innovations, and unparalleled > service that have been Lionel trademarks for over 104 years. > > The filing in no way alters our ability to conduct our daily business > or implement our new business plans; we will continue to develop, > produce and ship products to you on an uninterrupted and timely basis. > > We are absolutely certain that, in time, this judgement will be > corrected and that Lionel will prevail. To accomplish this goal, we > have hired renowned jurist, Walter Dellinger of O'Melveny and Myers, > to represent us through what will be a long and arduous appeals > process. > > If you have any questions at all about the step we've taken, please > give your regional sales manager or myself a call. We will be more than > happy to discuss the entire situation with you at your convenience. > > Again, we are saddened that the MTH lawsuit has forced us to take this > action, but rest assured that it was done to ensure that Lionel will > continue to thrive, innovate and lead not only in the near future, but > for many years to come. > > > Bob Ryder > Vice President, Sales > Lionel LLC > 26750 Twenty-Three Mile Rd > Chesterfield, MI 48051 > (586) 949-4100, Ext. 1249 > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32946	From: Jim Marski	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Lionel press release

PRESS RELEASE Lionel LLC Files For Chapter 11 Protection Chesterfield, Michigan � November 15, 2004 � Lionel LLC, the nation�s number one model train manufacturer, today announced that it has filed a voluntary petition in the Bankruptcy Court of the Southern district of New York for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. The filing was prompted by a $40.8 million judgment against the company for the alleged misappropriation of a competitor�s toy train designs by a subcontractor. Lionel�s day-to-day operations will continue as usual, including meeting all merchandise shipping obligations customary for the holiday selling period and rolling out new products on schedule. The company remains dedicated to creating and manufacturing the quality product for which it has long been known. Jerry Calabrese, the recently named CEO of Lionel, said, "The MTH judgment alone has forced us to take this action. Lionel is a sound company that enjoys healthy sales, growing demand for our products and the best brand and reputation in the business. Having said that, the size and weight of this judgment is just too much for what is essentially a small business to bear. Taking advantage of bankruptcy protection will not only allow us to pursue an eventual reversal of this unfair decision, it will enable us to create, manufacture and ship our products in our normal and usual way." About Lionel LLC Lionel LLC is one of the world�s leading marketers of model trains and accessories. Established in 1900, the Lionel name is the most widely recognized brand in the toy train industry and one of the most recognized brands in America. Lionel has been at the center of every major innovation in toy train manufacturing and marketing since its inception. # # # 1Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code allows a company to continue to operate its business and manage its assets in the ordinary course of business. Congress enacted Chapter 11 to enable a debtor to preserve its going concern value and operations, as well as to provide its employees with jobs and to satisfy creditor claims based upon the value of the reorganized company. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32947	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel dealer/distributor memo

You know 40 million seems a little steep for direct copying of the drawings of a mode train design. From what I have read there seems to be just cause for a finding against Lionel, but 40 million??? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Marski [mailto:jim_marski@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:08 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel dealer/distributor memo > To: Lionel Dealers and Distributors > From: Bob Ryder > Re: Chapter 11 filing > > > As I'm sure you've read, MTH's lawsuit against Lionel moved into > a new phase last week when the judge officially entered the verdict and > judgment against us. As a result of this action, Lionel has filed for > Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. I have attached a copy of the press > release announcing this move for your review. > > This decision probably comes as no surprise since I have been asked > about that possibility ever since the MTH verdict was reached several > months ago. I want to assure you, however, that this is a positive step > taken for one reason and one reason only: to ensure that Lionel's > day-to-day business and pursuit of excellence continues unabated in the > face of this unfair and ultimately reversible legal judgement. > > In our case, as it was for companies like Texaco, bankruptcy protection > is simply a tool that helps facilitate the appeals process. More > importantly, it protects our ability to develop and deliver the > extraordinary product, groundbreaking innovations, and unparalleled > service that have been Lionel trademarks for over 104 years. > > The filing in no way alters our ability to conduct our daily business > or implement our new business plans; we will continue to develop, > produce and ship products to you on an uninterrupted and timely basis. > > We are absolutely certain that, in time, this judgement will be > corrected and that Lionel will prevail. To accomplish this goal, we > have hired renowned jurist, Walter Dellinger of O'Melveny and Myers, > to represent us through what will be a long and arduous appeals > process. > > If you have any questions at all about the step we've taken, please > give your regional sales manager or myself a call. We will be more than > happy to discuss the entire situation with you at your convenience. > > Again, we are saddened that the MTH lawsuit has forced us to take this > action, but rest assured that it was done to ensure that Lionel will > continue to thrive, innovate and lead not only in the near future, but > for many years to come. > > > Bob Ryder > Vice President, Sales > Lionel LLC > 26750 Twenty-Three Mile Rd > Chesterfield, MI 48051 > (586) 949-4100, Ext. 1249 > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32948	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: An Idea

In "The Bulletin", (Vol.39 No.6 NOV 2004) Tami Jo Nix (convention co-chairman) provided an extensive report about the 2004 Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) national convention which included proceedings of the annual general membership meeting. At the beginning of the meeting, Randy Giroux (national vice-president) discussed among other things improving society membership. The following is a direct quote" "Also, as far as looking at younger people we're looking at the 'Boy's Life' Magazine, the publication for the scouts. There are over five million readers there, including adults and kids. We're looking at doing clinics for the model railroad merit badge. There are plenty of model-railroaders in this group. Rocky Mountain Division of TCA, I believe it was last weekend, had a large open meet and they did a clinic for the model railroading merit badge. It was the first time they ever tried it. They got fourteen scouts, and their leaders, to attend and earn the badge. Well, when was the last time we had the possibility of fourteen new members at one time? Not very often. If we do this on a national basis, in conjunction with conventions or at Cal-Stewart, or at your division, like an open division meet, we put those clinics on and get more people in, we're going to build our membership back up, which means we're going to be a lot more successful, and were going to last a lot longer." Mark Layman put on a successful merit badge clinic at the Estes Park model-railroading meet in February 2004. 33 scouts participated with 23 of them earning the merit badge. Bob Ousler along with others organized the above mentioned merit badge clinic. Now, TTOS is seriously considering similar activities to increase interest in the toy train hobby. Maybe, RMD-TCA has started something. The "Ripple effect". Maybe, the National Association of S Gaugers should take a look at this idea.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32949	From: beebear	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Where's the trains??

I thought we were here to talk about the hobby of American flyer, not bad mouthing one another or talk about who is going out of business or what good train movies are out there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to cause trouble or start any arguments. I like seeing what others have done with the "junk" they have found and made to look new. I have been watching the emails lately, and am about ready to step out of this group. I have gotten some good information on updating my rolling stock and getting the old stuff up and running again. I have also picked up info for several shows I have visited. I hope to get my garage built in the next 3 or 4 weeks so I can start my layout. For now I will sit back and see what happens. Don't bother replying with your "flaming" remarks for my comments as this is my opinion. I like what little info I have gained from this group. I hope we can move on. Have a good day John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32951	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Where's the trains??

***(((( I have been watching the emails lately, and am about ready to step out of this group. )))**** Don't give up John........the talk ALWAYS comes back around to trains!! ***(((I thought we were here to talk about the hobby of American flyer)))*** True, however it will stray to other "train" related comments. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32952	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Glazing for Grandt Line windows

Hi Folks I found this website Stevens Creek Models http://www.hon3.com/glazing.htm They make Glazing for S scale Grandt Line windows John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32953	From: knockbill	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: AF motor observation

Hi In rebuilding a Hudson I got at York, I noticed the armature moving fore & aft,, There have been posts about motors running faster one way as opposed to the reverse, and some of them work. I think I stumbled on another "fix",,, If the gears are assembled with the smoke rod in the aft posision, and the side rods in the forward posision, ther won't be as much reciprocating effort on the armature gear, driving it back & forth.. It seems esspecially true with pul- mor tires,, This works with a SIB motor,,, What do you think?? Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32954	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel press release - additional info

The link below to Lionel's Central Station provides additional information on the Chapter 11 situation. As I posted earlier, Chapter 11 does not prevent the continuation of fairly normal business activity. Bob Bubeck http://www.lionel.com/CentralStation/NewsStand/viewrelease.cfm?newsID=113 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32955	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel press release - additional info

On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 04:56 PM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > The link below to Lionel's Central Station provides additional > information on > the Chapter 11 situation. As I posted earlier, Chapter 11 does not > prevent > the continuation of fairly normal business activity. > > Bob Bubeck It also does not prevent them from being rolled into chapter 7 if they can not work out a settlement with their creditors. thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Vegetarian - that is an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32956	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Fun photos posted

Hi All, I have finally posted some photos from the two October train shows. I only took 3 photos at York (I was busy buying trains) and they can be found at: http://S-scale.org/albums/albuo57 A dozen photos of S scale layouts in the Wisconsin S-Fest layout tour can be found at: http://S-scale.org/albums/album51 Enjoy. And if anyone can provide me Jim's last name in the Gilbert Get Together photo, please do. ... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32958	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops

I have built boxcars and a reefer. They work with either AM or SHS trucks. The trick is that the highrail coupler mounted above the truck acts like a washer and increases clearance adequately for the oversized hirail flanges. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pacific Rail Shops > > > > Has anyone built any of the Pacific Rail Shops cars and installed > highrail trucks and couplers on them? It appears that SHS trucks > and couplers will work but I am not sure about the bolster height. > I recently purchased three of the boxcar and one refrigerator car > kits from Discount Model Trains in Addison, TX. These are very nice > cars that compare to or exceed the detail level on current > production SHS cars. Any help or suggestions are appreciated. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32959	From: keefer1	Date: 11/16/2004
Subject: 752 responses and for sale

Thanks for all the help on the 752.I have some boxes of Lionel catalogs,will they be worth more if the company goes out of business? keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32960	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: K-line Hunson for 2005!!!

I can't beleive it. I have asked for an AF dockside reproduction for 20 years and the same for the Marx Hudson. It is all so simple isn't it? So now we get both with in 2 years of each other. That means I need to sell my Marx Hudson that I wanted to convert. I though it would hold an AF drive since it is wide, but it will not work. It is missing a part of the valve gear on one side. Does any know what these are worth? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32961	From: frbpman	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Let Us Keep It Civil - Please!

I normally receive the postings in digest form and enjoy the material related to our shared love - S-gauge trains specifically AF and hi-rail. Seeing things in digest form only magnifies the recent digression from the topic, the sinking level of discourse, the almost flaming content of recent postings, and last but not least the use of the s**t word in a posting. Folks this group is wide open and I am sure it is read by those among us old enough to have received the classics when they were brand new as well as newcomers - including my teenage son. So, I implore all: let's be civil; let's be kind; let's stay on subject. If anyone feels the need to flame another, or to reduce their vocabulary to obscene language, then take it outside - literally and figuratively. Please excuse this somewhat off-topic posting, but enough is enough. Thank you for your time, Kenny Palmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32962	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Let Us Keep It Civil - Please!

I second your letter..... I hate the use of any profanity in ANY WAY.... I feel I am intelligent enough to not need to use it therefore you rarely ever hear those words from me.... ..... Lets get the site back to "S" topics or occasionally jabs between friends.... Or the occasional fun, but clean joke..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "frbpman" <Kenny.C.Palmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Let Us Keep It Civil - Please! > > > I normally receive the postings in digest form and enjoy the > material related to our shared love - S-gauge trains specifically AF > and hi-rail. Seeing things in digest form only magnifies the recent > digression from the topic, the sinking level of discourse, the > almost flaming content of recent postings, and last but not least > the use of the s**t word in a posting. > > Folks this group is wide open and I am sure it is read by those > among us old enough to have received the classics when they were > brand new as well as newcomers - including my teenage son. So, I > implore all: let's be civil; let's be kind; let's stay on subject. > > If anyone feels the need to flame another, or to reduce their > vocabulary to obscene language, then take it outside - literally and > figuratively. > > Please excuse this somewhat off-topic posting, but enough is enough. > > Thank you for your time, > > Kenny Palmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32963	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Trains and Children

My wife and I recently attended the toy train show at the North Atlanta Trade Center and took a friend's boys. Contrary to popular wisdom Lionel's Thomas the Train may not be helping the hobby. The 8 year old used to love Thomas and trains in general but was mercilessly teased at school saying Thomas the Train is for sissy babies. He was really uncomfortable at the show and generally was eager to get out of there. His five year old brother loved all the trains and was excited the whole time. However, both boys were fascinated and delighted with the S Gauge layout, the only layout with interactive buttons to push. Frank, long-time lurker Christmas Setup only --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that�s new in My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32964	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Nutz to that Mark......

You are entitled to your opinion. I don't see this as a matter of saying they were right. They were wrong! They broke the law. My point is I am not sure they broke the law 40 million worth. I am questioning whether the profit is there to support this kind of settlement. I would love to analyze the financial information disclosed. The other thing we should take into account is; what is "public domain" and what is not. You can copy anything you want of anyone's design if it is public domain. I doubt there was any IP protection on the designs that Lionel copied, (I would like to know the facts on this) and doubt there was any protection on the extruded cars either. What Lionel did is gain access to the MTH designs improperly. Had Lionel taken a finished product, assigned an engineer/designer to specifically copy it, created their own design drawings and paid for their own tooling. They would probably not have found themselves in court. The crooked thing they did was come across the drawing apparently by theft. It appears they also made use of tooling paid for by MTH which is also dishonest. To me the value of the settlement should be more in tune with those costs plus some punitive damages, and maybe even a little jail time for a top exec. Or two that was in the loop. I stand by my statement. Theft is theft, but I am questioning whether it was a 40 million theft. Looking at their financial statement this could be a death penalty for a non-violent crime. Please don't construe this as saying they were innocent. I just want the punishment to be commensurate with the crime, and with what little I know I question the magnitude of the punishment, not their guilt. -----Original Message----- From: Edward G. [mailto:am-flyr@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Nutz to that Mark...... WHAT..???..How could you say that ...THEFT is Theft ..Too Damn many crooks getting away with shit like that today ..Lionels underhanded BS ...got what they deserve ...There hand was in the cookie jar big time ....they stole and copied MTHs material and sold it as there own ..and like was proven made millions on someone else hard work ...all with the knowledge of the upper echelon....The Fact that they cant and wont own up to it and are willing to drag it on is pure Bull....they dont have the Balls to just say :You know "We Were Wrong" ...Were sorry we have cleaned house it was our stupid mistake Forgive us ...we will work hard to show you that will never do anything like this again ....BUT "NO" ...Read between the Lines People ...Stop Making Excuses ... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32965	From: roy inman	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Nutz to that Mark......

I too thought the award was extreme. Remember also that the entire shipment of the first engine in question, an N&W steamer as I recall, was impounded at the docks in Korea. I believe that Lionel never realized any income from that offering. But, yes, if a company or person does wrong, then let's hope that somehow they/h/she gets their due. But there are degrees of punishment in Western law. IMHO, the jury went a little over the top in this one, and the judge concurred. Who knows, if any or us had been on the jury and privy to all the details, we might have come to the same $40 million conclusion. Or maybe not. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 11/17/04 1:07 PM, Mark Kiner at AF336@... wrote: > > Please don't construe this as saying they were innocent. I just want the > punishment to be commensurate with the crime, and with what little I know I > question the magnitude of the punishment, not their guilt.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32966	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Case is signifcant to the group and hobby

Ed, "Hang 'em high" I say... I don't know all the details but it doesn't look good Lionel... but then again isn't the ex CEO of Enron still walking around rich and free... I haven't sent any cookies to Martha Stewart - have you :>) I wonder how much a settlement would really affect Lionel financially... Since it's privately held we may never know... usually in appellate court the awards get reduced by about half for this type of scenario.... I guess some folks are upset that we in this group would be interested - but Lionel holds the Flyer license rights and makes s-gauge products and is definitely a market leader and recognized name in the industry... so it could affect us and the toy train industry dramatically in general future... It is also interesting to note that out-sourcing to the orient appears to have contributed to the problems stated in the law suit... It'll be interesting to see how it all ends up... Maybe next Christmas season we have a movie about the case... spys, stealing, intellectual property rights - maybe with a James Bond slant... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Edward G. [mailto:am-flyr@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Nutz to that Mark...... WHAT..???..How could you say that ...THEFT is Theft ..Too Damn many crooks getting away with shit like that today ..Lionels underhanded BS ...got what they deserve ...There hand was in the cookie jar big time ....they stole and copied MTHs material and sold it as there own ..and like was proven made millions on someone else hard work ...all with the knowledge of the upper echelon....The Fact that they cant and wont own up to it and are willing to drag it on is pure Bull....they dont have the Balls to just say :You know "We Were Wrong" ...Were sorry we have cleaned house it was our stupid mistake Forgive us ...we will work hard to show you that will never do anything like this again ....BUT "NO" ...Read between the Lines People ...Stop Making Excuses ... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32967	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE)

Good point - it was chapter 11 which is designed to get protection from creditors while you establish plans to deal with problems... Is the new head CEO from Marvel? I heard well spring chopped off the executive's heads? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel files for bankruptcy (LINK TO ARTICLE) Bankruptcy, chapter 11, does not mean a business is out of business, yet. Bankruptcy gives the business time to re-organize and get with creditors to pay back it debt, usually at much less on the dollar owed, as with Chapter 7, with is completely out of business, the creditors get nothing. So, this doesn't mean that Lionel is out of business . So, as a consumer, it is business as usual. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32968	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express, the movie

Chuck, Some of those large scale sets are attractive holiday sets. My wife likes them and we are also considering it....It surprises me that they are cheaper than the Lionel O-Gauge holiday set... maybe larger parts are easier to manufacture... sort of like if you have ever seen the cost of baby clothes compared to adult clothing.... Good luck on the winter layout and hope it doesn't snow too much (blizzard) to affect the construction work.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:21 AM Cc: S-Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Polar Express, the movie We saw this movie today, and after hearing so many in the media give it poor reviews, I wonder if they reviewed the same movie. This movie is wonderful! A must see for train / Christmas lovers... Yes, one reference to Flyingelves, and the boy did receive for Christmas a 3 rail toy Polar Express train. On another note, on the way home from the movie we stopped at Sams Club. They have a Bachman G gauge Christmas train for $129.99. This thing was really nice! I was really tempted to buy it and put it under one of our 2 Christmas trees we put up. It was really pretty! Left it there for now! My Christmas layout with Flyer is in process, the S-Helper track is layed on its white snow fabric. Work in Progress... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32969	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: AF motor observation

When working on this 'problem' I always remove the piston and connecting rod. 'Faster in reverse' also plagues 287's, 307's, etc. (no smoke/choo-choo). Clean out the smoke unit cylinder with alcohol. If there's gummy deposits inside I use some incredibly fine grit paper to remove it followed by alcohol. The fiber type pistons shouldn't be lubricated I believe, The metal pistons, '48 production or so, I'll go with a drop of light oil. I believe the way the gears are cut, the armature is pulled forward in reverse, and pushed to the rear in forward. Severe commutator wear is the culprit in 'faster in reverse.' Use one of the methods discussed in the past on this list to re-finish it flat & true, or hire out the work to someone who can. Great observation though on the position of the siderods vs. the choo-choo piston rod -- never gave it much thought. I just let it go together it any old position. Not all steamers have this 1 to 1 ratio however. The 0-8-0 comes to mind is this regard. Let's keep talking trains, Don Message: 13 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:55:27 -0000 From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> Subject: AF motor observation Hi In rebuilding a Hudson I got at York, I noticed the armature moving fore & aft,, There have been posts about motors running faster one way as opposed to the reverse, and some of them work. I think I stumbled on another "fix",,, If the gears are assembled with the smoke rod in the aft posision, and the side rods in the forward posision, ther won't be as much reciprocating effort on the armature gear, driving it back & forth.. It seems esspecially true with pul- mor tires,, This works with a SIB motor,,, What do you think?? Have fun John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32970	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Boy's Life

Hi Folk's A short time ago somebody mentioned That a good idea is to put S ads in the Boy Scout's Magazine Boy's Life. This is a great idea but check out the prices http://www.boyslife.org/about/ads/rates.html These reflect per issue prices, Ouch. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32971	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Lets crack the Nutz! - Lionel Lawsuit

Mark, I guess you are saying that in true justice the punishment should fit the crime... an interesting point... I don't know if what part of the settlement were punitive damages or not... I sort of agree with you and wonder if the government went after even Martha Stewart because she was so visible.... I honestly think there are people who have done allot worse... but perhaps they felt pursuing her vigorously sent out a message to others in the future as a deterrent to future bad behavior... Could this be the case with Lionel even though they do appear guilty.... I think opinions are cool things and enjoy reading what others think as long as they are stated in a respectful manner and maybe even use some humor... We should rename the group "900 Angry men" after the old jury movie.... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32972	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: K-line S diesel

While it is nice to hear that K-line will be coming out with a starter set in the near future, the diesel fan in me thinks that they missed the boat for an easy O27 to S conversion. In the 1950s and early 60s Marx made an E/F unit that is S ish in length and O ish in width. From my own adventures in kitbashing I found that a Flyer Alco frame would fit in the shell easily with a little work and K-line could have made their own chassis for this shell easily. but they are starting with the steamer... Oh well, I'll buy one for the kids, so they hopefully will not touch my stuff:) who am I kidding:) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32973	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Alco parts desired...

Does anyone out there have any Alco chassis' in their parts bins. Looking for a B unit chassis with KC trucks (hopefully) to finish a kitbash with a Marx diesel B unit. It would be nice to get another A unit chassis to either power or ABA when I finish. So what have you S world... Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32974	From: jt12313	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others

I'm wondering and since I cannot find my reference books... The perils of home renovations and the after effects of marriage, I cannot find anything:0! What did flyonel do in Milwaukee Road? Also, does anyone out there make a Milwaukee Road diesel? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32976	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others

We have two numbers of a Milwaukee Road SW-1 in stock. These will operate on AC or DC with the same F-N-R reverse unit cycle as AF. They also come with AF compatible wheels and couplers. The price is $199.95. We have a matching caboose. When we co-produced the first run of RS-3s with American Models we made several numbers for Milwaukee Road as an exclusive SHS roadname. The were produced either AC/DC or DC only. Other options were AF compatible wheels and couplers or code 125 wheels with AM dummy scale couplers. Don jt12313 wrote: >I'm wondering and since I cannot find my reference books... The perils of home renovations and the after effects of marriage, I cannot find anything:0! > >What did flyonel do in Milwaukee Road? > >Also, does anyone out there make a Milwaukee Road diesel? > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32977	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION

I have had the chance to look at 2 different PENN SALTS lately..... mine and one that was for sale...... One member agreed with me the Keystone had a slight bend in the top line..... where fakes are straight..... Is there any articles in S Guagian, S Herald or Greenberg books that point out exactly what to look for? Need knowledge before I leave for Maitland Friday........The one for sale looked really nice.... but has a die cast frame on it..... I know the 24309 frame is the same and it is easy to switch..........Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32978	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others

Lyingnel made a EP-5 and I think a Geep..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jt12313" <jt12313@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Milwaukee Road in Flyonel and others > > I'm wondering and since I cannot find my reference books... The perils of home renovations and the after effects of marriage, I cannot find anything:0! > > What did flyonel do in Milwaukee Road? > > Also, does anyone out there make a Milwaukee Road diesel? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32979	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION

Bob, you missed my exibit at the Gilbert get together this past York. I had an example of the real thing and one of the best reproductions ever made. Yes the top of the keystone should be slightly concave on the real thing and on the fake it is straight across. It should have a plastic frame, unless someone changed it. The lettering is up higher on the tank sides on the fake one, but hard to compare without looking a the real one. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32981	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Nick in VA?

Is there anyone on this list by the name of Nick who lives in Virginia, I believe, who has a website for his S gauge layout. A email friend of mine in Jacksonville, FL used to have your website as he emailed you before. He lost your email and webpage, so I am just checking. My friend is Jerry Matsick, who just switch from O after 34 years or so, and is really into the new S Helper line. Thanks for any help, if anyone know anything about Nick also. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32983	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION

Harwood.... yes I saw your exhibit at York... that's why I am so skittish as to whets real and not..... Wish I had brought mine that night..... Mine is very slightly curved.... but it has a broken step.... John H told me about the 24309 tanker that had the same base.... found it for 15.00 outside at the Holidrome... so now my PS has a good frame...... The other one ( that's for sale ) has a metal base.... the fellow says its real.... but I have noticed that many of his cars have heavy wheels on them..... By heavy I mean he changed the plastic wheels with insulated metal wheels used on Maintence car, etc..He did this for weight.. I think he might have switched bases at some point for weight...He was a repairman up north and has piles of parts...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION > > Bob, you missed my exibit at the Gilbert get together this past York. I had > an example of the real thing and one of the best reproductions ever made. > Yes the top of the keystone should be slightly concave on the real thing and on > the fake it is straight across. It should have a plastic frame, unless > someone changed it. The lettering is up higher on the tank sides on the fake one, > but hard to compare without looking a the real one. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32985	From: keefer1	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: list moderator

Are there any left? Could one please contact me or at least post the already set rules Paul has previously stated. (fowl language ,religion , politics) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32986	From: Phil K	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Yes, there are moderators in Train Land

> From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@t...> > Subject: Nutz to that Mark...... > Aren't there any moderators left out there in train land? Please keep the > off-color comments G rated. Thanks, and have a nice day. > > Carlton __________________________________________________________________ Yes, there are, and I am having a nice day, thank you. I zapped that post off this message board as soon as I saw it, but those members who are not "moderated" have the ability to slip one through at any time. Neither Paul nor us volunteer moderators can watch the board 24 hours a day. Unfortunately, it had been already recorded and went out in the digest sent to those who request it. I delected it for two main reasons, both pretty serious. As someone eloquently pointed out, profanity should not be tolerated here as this board can be read by anyone with Internet access, including the kids we're trying to attract to American Flyer and S. There's an entire Websters full of words that are acceptable here without going that route. Secondly, there were slanderous/libelous statements made about Lionel in that post and another I dumped before it got through. I spoke with Paul last night on the phone -- it IS his board, after all -- and we talked about the recent court decision that libel and slander posted on the Internet are actionable, both against the board owner and the poster. And the courts have determined no one can hide behind a fake "nickname" -- if the offense is serious enough. There is no "right to free speech" on the Internet, and Paul has said this is not a "free speech" board. There are plenty of other sites for that. If another profane post happens to slip through, please feel free to comment on it but let's not cut-and-paste it from the digest if it has already been delected from this board, okay? Echoing all of those who expressed disgust with the profanity, we'll do our best to prevent it from reoccuring. And to those angry folks with an axe to grind against Lionel for whatever reason, remember this is an "S" forum. There have been some interesting comments made here regarding the bankruptcy filing, and all without libeling or slandering Lionel. As many have said, let's keep it to train-related stuff. Respectfully, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32987	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION

I remember when these came out in the late 70's. I think it was Scott Engineering that made them. They made the platform around the dome. We were told one way to tell was the microscopic scratches were the Gulf decal was removed from tank car body. Don HOwingsiii@... wrote: >Bob, you missed my exibit at the Gilbert get together this past York. I had >an example of the real thing and one of the best reproductions ever made. >Yes the top of the keystone should be slightly concave on the real thing and on >the fake it is straight across. It should have a plastic frame, unless >someone changed it. The lettering is up higher on the tank sides on the fake one, >but hard to compare without looking a the real one. > >Harwood > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32989	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Toronto Christmas Train Show.

For anyone wanting to travel to beautiful southern Ontario, the Toronto Christmas Train Show will be held at the International Centre, Hall 4, 6900 Airport Road., Mississauga, November 20 and 21. Operating layouts will feature all gauges of scale model trains including Lionel and American Flyer toy trains from the past. As well, railway vendors showcasing model trains, sets, kits, accessories and videos will be there. The show runs from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday and 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Sunday. Admission is (Canadian) $10 adults, $8 seniors, $4 youth, and children 6 and under admitted free. Call the International Centre at 905-945-2775 for more info. I'll be there looking for good Flyer deals. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32990	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Fw: Off Topic Again

Lionel News Flash!I just got this E-mail.... Will be playing in a glory hole from 6:30 till 9:30.... Blowing Glass..... Maybe someone can find out about the Mike in Dec and the Docksider....If it doesn't come thru try this address....... Bob From: newsletter@... To: rcon7@... ----- Original Message ----- From: newsletter@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Lionel News Flash! Join us for a moderated chat session concerning Lionel's Chapter 11 filing and other important issues. 6:30 - 8:30 PM EST, Thursday November 18, 2004 Click here to join in! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32991	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: what to do with the 40 million?

I think the better fun is dreaming about what MTH can do with all that money. I bought all of their repro. Flyer accessories and would buy more if they offer them. We should jump while the iron is hot and send Mike some great ideas before those winey Lionel collectors grab his wallet (I mean ear). Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32993	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/17/2004
Subject: Combinations

Hello, Thank you to all who answered my previous question concerning AF Big motors. I'm always grateful for the help. I was wondering what locomotive pulled the aluminum cars (660-661- 662 etc). I have a 312 Locomotive and did those cars come with a 312 as power? I think also 300 locomtives might have come with them as well. Also I'm going to replace the trim on my Royal Blue engine and wondered what a good source might be. I was thinking a nice chrome plated trim might look nice. Can an item like that be found in hobby stores or can a Home Depot or Hobby Lobby be a good source. Thanks to all, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32995	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC...."S" QUESTION

Don, You are correct. It Was Scott Engineering. Mine does have some very tiny scratches under the paint. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32996	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: TCA Keystone Meet

Come one, come all. KEYSTONE Div of TCA is sponsoring their Fall Meet this Saturday, Nov 20. Location is St Phillips R C Church, corner of PA Rt 999 & 741, Millersville PA. Beautiful facility, great food by the Church Men's Groups. Time is 9 to 10 AM for TCA members, 10 to 1 PM for public. SANTA CLAUS will be in attendance, there will be pics available with the Jolly Old Elf, and operating trains in addition to close to 100 tables of trains for sale. Lancaster Co is a solid S-gauge area, will be nice things available. Thanks to the generous help of S-Helper Service and WWW.EHOBBYTOOLS.com, we will have an sceniced, operating 4'x 7' S layout. The layout crew, Paul and Annabelle Herr, Fred and Marcia Bollinger, Jeff and Sandy Leeking, Linda DeRemer and Jim Lyle, would love to see you. Other trains are reported to be running also. Admission is $4 for TCA members (non-members, another reason to join) and $5 for public. Easy access, Rt 741 East from Rt 283 or RT 30 bypass to interection, church on left. Rt 999 from Lancaster PA, church on right before light, Rt 741 from Gap, PA, rigth at 999 light to left into parking lot. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32997	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: K-line S diesel

Starting with a moderately priced steamer makes sales sense. Flashing drivers, possible smoke, maybe a whistle, ALL stuff that will attract kids. Pure eye candy. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 32999	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: The Eighth Annual Norwegian Christmas at Union Station (Norway - th

http://www.norway.org/xmas04/events.htm Train display for Christmas at Union Station in Washington, D.C. So Rance, what is a Norwegian Christmas anyway! O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33000	From: firex43	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers

Hello, Please advise if we have a source of replacement (repro) steps for AF gondolas and hoppers. Thank You in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33001	From: Phil K	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: S-Trains Rules, schmools

I do not have a copy of Paul's rules for this board, but believe it is safe to assume: NO POLITICS OR RELIGION OR PROFANITY OR PERSONAL ATTACKS. Our country just completed a rather contentious election, and it is obvious some members of this board still have some strong opinions they wish to share. There are plenty of political forums elsewhere on the Internet for you to express those opinions. If you feel an urgent need to respond to a post with a personal message or opinion that has nothing of interest for the entire group, please exchange off-line e-mails directly with the poster. That will let you exercise your "free speech." Please don't post it on this board for 800-plus members to read. Let's keep it to train talk. Thank you. Respectfully, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33002	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers

While there might be a source for these items I have found that you can take another broken car.... Junker.... and remove what you need, install and repaint to match.... Another method I have used is go to the opposite end of the car.... and using rubber molding compound make a mold of the area.... using epoxy recast the broken part in place.... then paint.... I have done a large portion of a 652 Pass Car this way to replace a portion broken out door and end area.......... Try it..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <john_keating@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers > > > > Hello, > Please advise if we have a source of replacement (repro) steps for AF > gondolas and hoppers. Thank You in advance. John Keating > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33003	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers

Another method I have used in the past when repairing 652 maroon passenger cars is to add a small drop of Testor's Dark Red model paint into the epoxy. Do this as you are first mixing it up and then pour this mixture into a silicon based mold as Bob Conner suggested. I have found the repaired area very close in color to the original when using this nethod. Bobby Bryan, Jr. ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33004	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers

Bryan is right..... I forgot about the color..... There is also a plastic molding set that you mix with a catalyst and they have colors available that you can get and add to the mix.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby T Bryan,Jr." <mcwb@...> To: <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <john_keating@...> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Replacement Steps for AF gondolas & hoppers > Another method I have used in the past when repairing 652 maroon > passenger cars is to add a small drop of Testor's Dark Red model paint > into the epoxy. Do this as you are first mixing it up and then pour this > mixture into a silicon based mold as Bob Conner suggested. I have found > the repaired area very close in color to the original when using this > nethod. Bobby Bryan, Jr. > > ________________________________________________________________ > Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. > Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! > Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33005	From: keefer1	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Tom Rolfsmeyer

Two , well more like 1 1/2 ,1 1/2 transformers are on their way. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33006	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Passenger Car Lighting

Any tips on getting older passenger car lighting to work. I've got three of the New Haven coaches with link couplers that I won on e-bay last year and just unpacked the other evening. Metal wheels are clean, soldering looks strong, and the bulbs test good - but no light. Any advice appreciated. Regards, Jim Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33007	From: Paul	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Moderation can be a good thing (2)

The list is now a moderated list. From your end, expect a delay when you post a note to the list. If the note contains non-train content, political, religious or personal attacks it will be deleted. If you have a problem with this new policy, I am sorry. I tried the hands off method and things got way ugly. I hope we can get back to trains and stick to trains. That is what we have in common, anything else will just highlight our differences. America has a great history of tolerance and diversity. I hope we can move forward and enjoy the things that we agree on. And disagree about the topics like kitbashing and flange size that historically have not resulted in bloodshed. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33008	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

make sure bulbs are ok.... not burnt out....Try wires direct to the light fixture. in the car...... then wires to the wheels...... make sure the opposite ends of the car are opposite each other end...... wheels clean..... should work..where the problem is where the light fails..... wires, bulbs, wheels, etc... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <fivechime@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger Car Lighting > > > Any tips on getting older passenger car lighting to work. > > I've got three of the New Haven coaches with link couplers that I won on e-bay last year and just unpacked the other evening. > > Metal wheels are clean, soldering looks strong, and the bulbs test good - but no light. > > Any advice appreciated. > > Regards, Jim Evans > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33009	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

**(((Metal wheels are clean, soldering looks strong, and the bulbs test good - but no light.)))*** Silly question......are the metal wheels on the left AND right? Not all on one side? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33010	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Christmas Display

I live in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Each year our city has a beginning of Christmas celebration called "A Dickens of A Christmas." This year, it will be held on Tuesday, Nov 30th, from 6 to 9:30 PM. Carriage rides, singing and dancing groups, lots of handbell choirs and varous other activities take place on Main Street in what has become a very enjoyable community event. This year, for the first time, I will have my train display up. It will be in the ground floor lobby of the BB&T (Bank) building (tallest building on Main Street). It is a display that has everything from Z to G Gague. The American Flyer 322 and cars which I got in 1947 will be running as will be my (as "clean a language" that I know to use with my Flyer friends) Lionel which I got in 1948. All other gagues I have acquired in the last few years. The layout was designed and built so I could take it to events like this, to nursing homes and to schools. Would love to have any and all of you make a special trip to Spartnaburg to enjoy the evening....and especially the trains. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33011	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas Display

Sounds great, Mike. How about posting some pictures when it is set up? Dick Aurora, OH (Toooo far from Spartanburg!) At 03:21 PM 11/18/2004, mvandiver2@... wrote: >I live in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Each year our city has a beginning >of Christmas celebration called "A Dickens of A Christmas." This year, it >will be held on Tuesday, Nov 30th, from 6 to 9:30 PM. Carriage rides, >singing >and dancing groups, lots of handbell choirs and varous other activities take >place on Main Street in what has become a very enjoyable community event. >This year, for the first time, I will have my train display up. It will >be in >the ground floor lobby of the BB&T (Bank) building (tallest building on Main >Street). It is a display that has everything from Z to G Gague. The >American >Flyer 322 and cars which I got in 1947 will be running as will be my (as >"clean a language" that I know to use with my Flyer friends) Lionel which >I got >in 1948. All other gagues I have acquired in the last few years. The >layout >was designed and built so I could take it to events like this, to nursing >homes and to schools. Would love to have any and all of you make a special >trip to Spartnaburg to enjoy the evening....and especially the >trains. Mike >Vandiver > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33012	From: knockbill	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: AF Motor observation update

Hi I got a couple of replys about motors running faster in one direction then the other,and fore/aft movement of the armature... Here are some "fixes" ..... Extra washers on the armature,,, watch the OD size of brass washers if used on the brush end of armature, I've found some big enough to be shorting the commutator segments,or too many & they will short out the brush tubes.. I've made nylon or delrin washers for the brush end... Another thought is to make sure the commutator is surfaced flat (slower in reverse), I've cleaned the commutators & then packed the slots with epoxy or JB weld before surfacing them, it eliminates the slot the brush seems to run truer both directions, I do the surfacing on a jewelers lathe which not only smooths & cleans the commutator, but makes it perfectly true,, I works wonders on reverse drums also,,, I've even saved a few that have been burned with soldering iron, repairing fingers, no doubt,,, My thoughts about timing the linkages to run in opposite directions on some steamers was to try and save wear & tear on the gears.... Thanks for the "tech talk", I used to share it with Tom J... Hope to hear more Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33013	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: For sale or trade

Hi All I've started Spring cleaning early. I have 47 issue's of the AFCC Collector and 20 issue's of S gaugian. I also have 2 GP 7's ( 370's) repainted UP Colors ( Fair paint job ). Please email direct for a detailed list and prices. Thanks AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33014	From: Lynn Ray	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: K-Line S Gauge - comments and questions

I have read the recent posts regarding the 2005 release of starter sets and locomotive from K-Line. This sounds like a good idea to me. I am modeling in a very tight budget and can only wish for the locomotives by AM, SHS, and "Flyonel". I am having to take the Flyer beaters I am able to find and get them running. Don't misunderstand, I enjoy being able to get a 50 year old locomotive back into running order. I am very pleased to see a manufacturer introduce a line of new products that will enable me to expand my current locomotive and rolling stock rosters. I have a couple of questions - 1) Should this be taken seriously? and 2) Does anyone know which locomotive? I have seen references to the K-Line 3000 series locomotive being used as a basis for the S loco. This is a Pacific. Where does the Hudson information come from? I will definately have to support K-Line in this venture in the hopes that it is successful for them and they will expand their offerings. I know of several others in my area (Northeast Texas - not exactly a hotbed of any model railroading) that will be interested in this venture also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33015	From: knockbill	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Car lights & steps

Hi Bob, what product are you using for the casting molds? I've tried different epoxies, for a tender step, & can't seem to cast one that isn't deformed... Maybe I need the complete lesson?? About the lights, if all the previous steps are taken, make sure your "new bulbs" are seated to the bottom of the lamp socket,,, some get tight before they bottom out,,, A hint, there are a couple sizes of skirted wire nuts available which fit the large & small bulbs,,,, they make great "wrenches" for tightening bulbs Also, make sure the axles ends are polished clean, as well as the truck holes they go into,,, They gotta work.... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33016	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: List of trains for sale

Please send email if you would like my list of items for sale. List is a work in progress. AF items SHS and even Lionel Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

**((((....make sure the opposite ends of the car are opposite each other end....)))**** Bob,... Can ya explain THAT one to me??? ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33018	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Motor observation update

Regarding speed differential forward/reverse.There is one more factor that I addressed some time ago and it seems to have been forgotten. When we first installed can motors in Flyer steamers some of them STILL ran faster in one direction than the other. That was a bit puzzling since armature wear and forward/rear thrust were not a factor. What I discovered is that many locos have much wear in the drive line and there is excessive side to side play of the drive axle and gear. Thus the worm gear does not set in the CENTER of the drive and smoke piston gears and creates more/less resistance. That wear is always to one side (result of running mostly forward). The wear on the gears makes sharp edges that want to "grab" the worm. Reducing the side to side slop of the drive axle is a MAJOR way to decrease the differential of speed. This seems to be more dominant in the 0-8-0s. One way to correct the problem is to remove the drive wheels and bush them with appropriate washers. If you are not adept at quartering wheels then don't try it yourself. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33019	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: York Dream!

While everyone else is talking about the Lionel Bankruptcy situation, I had a dream that was much worse than that! York was becoming half train sales mixed in with lots of antique "junk" of old worthless glasses (drinking type), china and kitchen ware, the type you see in Antique Shoppe's, as I know there is some highly collectable items in this category, as I don't want to offend anyone with my dream of calling something junk! LOL Anyway, I told my wife about the dream, as I couldn't figure out why I had that. She said it must because in the DC area, they have been advertising a antique show that is going to be at York! LOL Thank goodness it was only a dream! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33020	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Car lights & steps

There are a number of ways to make replacement steps. My technique for making replacement steps isas follows. Find a small plastic tray(a tictac* container works well). Cut it about 1/2" from the bottom ,clean off the shavings and clean it out good. You need to coat the inside or your tray with a very thin layer of oil or Vaseline* which acts as a mold release. Use a car with a good step identical to the broken one from which to make your copy. Squirt some silicon caulk into your tray and stir it gently in order to remove any air pockets. Insert the car with the good step into your mold.Use your toothpick to insure the silicon is bonded to the step on all sides. Make sure your car step is suspended in the silicon where it won't move and let the silicon set up for a couple of days. Gently remove the car from the mold. Use a small flat bladed screwdriver to remove your mold from the tray. Use a razor blade and cut into the mold along the side of the step. Now you have a cavity neatly formed in the shape of the replacement step which you desire. Just mix some 5 minute epoxy and liberally insert it into your mold.The excess will ooze out. Clean it up and partially insert your mold back into your platic tray. This will keep it tightly together. Wait a day and then remove your newly formed part from its mold. Bingo! I hope this helps you. If you have access to dental office mold material this process is simplified because you can make parts in a few hours instead of many days. If anyone on the list has any heayweight passenger cars that have broken ends or corners that they wish to sell, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Bobby Bryan, Jr. ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33021	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2469

In a message dated 11/18/2004 8:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 13 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Paul <paul@...> Subject: Moderation can be a good thing (2) Hear, Hear! My personal thanks to you, Paul. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33022	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Holiday closure

Hi everybody, Just a not to tell you all that S'nS Trains will be closed from 11/19 to 11/29. Please save emails and or phone calls until the 29th. Wishing you all a great Thanksgiving Holiday. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33023	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

Rick.... Sorry I was going too fast...... What I ment was " When looking at the car from the left side, the wheels on each end should be as follows..... on the left end both metal wheels should be facing you..and the plastic wheels facing away from you... on the right end both metal wheels should be facing away from you and you should see plastic wheels.....HOWEVER if you look at the car from the right side then the reverse applies...... " Simple..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Car Lighting > > > **((((....make sure the opposite ends of the car are opposite each other end....)))**** > > > Bob,... > Can ya explain THAT one to me??? ;^) > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33025	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Polishing aluminum cars

I have a buffing wheel and would like to polish my aluminum cars as shiny as I can get them. Any tips on what compound or polish to use? One of the cars has some scratches but I imagine I can buff them out. Also are the ID plates on the sides removeable and are repros available? Thanks to all for the help. I've learned a lot in just a few weeks here. Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33026	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

Actually, if you look from the other side it should look exactly the same and not reversed. If the metal wheels on the right are facing you, reversing the car should result in the metal wheels on the right facing you again. If they don't, something's wrong. Also try taking two patch cords connected to the base and 15V transformer posts and touching the other ends to various points on the chassis to try and isolate where the problem is. robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: Rick.... Sorry I was going too fast...... What I ment was " When looking at the car from the left side, the wheels on each end should be as follows..... on the left end both metal wheels should be facing you..and the plastic wheels facing away from you... on the right end both metal wheels should be facing away from you and you should see plastic wheels.....HOWEVER if you look at the car from the right side then the reverse applies...... " Simple..... Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33027	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

In a message dated 11/18/2004 10:51:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, colleenandrob@... writes: I have a buffing wheel and would like to polish my aluminum cars as shiny as I can get them. Any tips on what compound or polish to use? One of the cars has some scratches but I imagine I can buff them out. Also are the ID plates on the sides removeable and are repros available? Thanks to all for the help. I've learned a lot in just a few weeks here. Rob Use jewelers rouge. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33028	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

I've also used a series of gradually different grits of Wet or Dry sandpaper (coarsest- 600 to finest- 3000 grit) to polish out deeper scratches I remember that Amato's Hobby Shop in New Britain, Connecticut used to sell a package of different grades of the finer grits of paper. The coarser grits are available in most hardware stores. Use the paper along with water. Have some soft clean rags handy because you will be surprised how much blackish- colored residue will come out of the aluminum surface! Be patient with the process. I've also used aluminum mag cleaner(auto parts store) on my cars once the scratches have been removed. I believe I used jewelers rouge, as Steve Blackburn suggested, as the final polish in the process, Bobby Bryan, Jr. ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33029	From: John G	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Flyonel Lumber unloading car

Lionel is now selling a reproduction of the Flyer lumber unloading car called the WEST SIDE LUMBER CO. UNLOADING CAR. For those of you who might have one, does it operate more reliably that the original? At one time I heard that it had two solenoids to make it operate more smoothly than the original which had only one solenoid. John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33030	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

We use a product called Weenol to bring back a mirror finish on these cars. It can usually be found in "hot rod" shops and places that sell things like mag wheel polish. <<Also are the ID plates on the sides removeable and are repros available?>> Push the two pins out from the back (inside the car) with something pointed. Once they are partway out, you can grip them from the front with pliers and pull. Bothe the plates and the pins are available as repro items. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33031	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

Another possibility could be an oxidized solder joint. I have run across this problem several times with Lionel and Flyer locomotives and illuminated cars both. I will attempt to remove as much of the old solder as possible, clean the parts, and resolder the joint. I am not sure, but suspect the problem is due to rapid production methods where all the parts are not heated sufficiently when originally assembled. Also, you may want to use an electrically conductive oil to lubricate the axle bearings and the axle wipers. I use Labelle #108 oil. Wahl hair clipper oil works as well. Good luck. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33032	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

Scott If the car is reversed the opposite to the left side does apply but the wheels in the left end will show plastic and the wheels on the right end will show metal..... Except off topic..... I once took Radio class in school... Took another students project and pulled a wire up slightly and put solder around the insulation on one of the connections...... drove him nuts trying to figure out why his radio would not work.... instructor too..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Car Lighting > > > Actually, if you look from the other side it should look exactly the same and not reversed. > > If the metal wheels on the right are facing you, reversing the car should result in the metal wheels on the right facing you again. > > If they don't, something's wrong. > > Also try taking two patch cords connected to the base and 15V transformer posts and touching the other ends to various points on the chassis to try and isolate where the problem is. > > > > robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > > Rick.... Sorry I was going too fast...... What I ment was " When looking at > the car from the left side, the wheels on each end should be as follows..... > on the left end both metal wheels should be facing you..and the plastic > wheels facing away from you... on the right end both metal wheels should be > facing away from you and you should see plastic wheels.....HOWEVER if you > look at the car from the right side then the reverse applies...... " > Simple..... Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33033	From: knockbill	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

Hi, All the previous methods will work to polish the cars,,, if you start with the finest polish ( Noxon, toothpaste etc), you will eliminate scratches that might come from sanding, & lessen the job, most can be polished by hand, Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33034	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning

Florida guys and gals........ Paul, Tom, Chuck, Barb, and all others in the area ( dcoupler why don't you come 2)..... any decision about Breakfast or Lunch Sat. Morn at Maitland????? I need to be back in Jax by 4;00.... Chuck at work at 1:30.... How about 11:00???? Think the show starts at 9 for TCA.... right???? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33035	From: roy inman	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Blue refers

Hi group, Someone told me the reason the Milwaukee Road painted some of their refer cars blue, as in the latest, very neat S-Fest car by SHS. I guess it is a sign of many decades on the planet, but I do not recall why... Can someone enlighten me? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33036	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: For Sale: AF Sets Book

All, A spare copy of Bob Tufts' book entitled "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets" (1st ed.) has come into my possession. I am asking $15 (+ $2 shipping); the book is in excellent condition. This book is a "must have" for serious collectors of AF or those interested in the history of A.C. Gilbert production of AF. A great holiday gift for that special someone into AF. If interested, please contact offline (jmellon@...). Thanks. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33037	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Short on Engine Chassis

I have a 293 loco I am trying to revive. I rewired and relubed and I can get it to run on the work bench for a short period of time then it shorts out. It appears the wheels are shorting out against the chassis somehow. Is that possible? The outer rim on the drivers are loose and need to be glued back on the wheel. I am not sure how the wheels are isolated from the chassis. Should there always be clearance between them? Any pointers or links to this sort of information would be appreciated. Thanks to all for all the great information; I wish their had been an internet when I was a kid! By the way I noted a great increase in the amount of Flyer equipment available at Cal-Stewart in Pasadena last weekend. There were about six to eight tables that were primarily Flyer. That is a huge improvement over two years ago when there didn't seem to be anything available. Layouts were a little sparse this year though; but then last year was phenomenal with every guage plus the Lego layout from San Diego and even a Shuco monorail layout that was amazing to watch. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33038	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Blue refers

Dear Roy, The Milwaukee Road had a bunch of old wooden reefers they used for ice service. They were painted blue with black ends and roof, and white lettering. Don roy inman wrote: >Hi group, >Someone told me the reason the Milwaukee Road painted some of their refer >cars blue, as in the latest, very neat S-Fest car by SHS. >I guess it is a sign of many decades on the planet, but I do not recall >why... >Can someone enlighten me? >Cheers :) >Roy Inman > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33039	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road blue reefers

An old timer who worked on the Milwaukee Road told me a mixed freight would come into the yard and since the reefers didn't have a distinctive paint scheme, sometimes the reefers wouldn't get iced fast enough -- or at all. A couple times in hot summer, the vegetables they contained arrived as stinking liquid slop. And they also used them, like Don Thompson said, to haul bulk lake ice to ice houses. So the CMSt.P painted many reefers blue -- the supposed "color" of ice -- so that they'd be hard to miss and not get set out on a siding in a yard somewhere. Sounds good to me, if he wasn't pulling my leg. Phil K __________________________________________________________________ > > Hi group, > Someone told me the reason the Milwaukee Road painted some of their refer > cars blue, as in the latest, very neat S-Fest car by SHS. > I guess it is a sign of many decades on the planet, but I do not recall > why... > Can someone enlighten me? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33040	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Tufts AF Book Sold

All, The AF Sets book by Bob Tufts has sold. Thank you all for your interest. Jay M. New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33041	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: "S" scale ladders

Guys, I need some help in finding suitable "S" scale ladders. I have tried Evergreen's ladder kit, and it's terrible. Does anyone out there know of any other sources? I need to make ground ladders for a 1:64 scale fire truck that I am building. Plastic or photo-etched, it doesn't matter. Thanks! Steve McGuire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33042	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Events

Its That Time Of The Year: The BAAFC will be setting up its modular display at the following places and dates between now and Christmas: Saturday, November 20 Hartly, Delaware Firehouse Sunday, November 21 Westminster Maryland Train Show (Ag Center) Sunday, November 28 York, PA Train Show Saturday and Sunday, December 4&5 Timonium, Maryland (Greenberg Train Show) Saturday, December 11 John Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, MD Sunday, December 12 Earleigh Heights, MD (Glen Burnie) TTOS Meet And finally, Saturday and Sunday, December 18 & 19 B&O Railroad Museum, Baltimore, MD So, all you not-so-old kids bring out the kids and grand kids for some good old American Flyer and great new American Models, S Helper, and Flyonel trains. Happy Thanksgiving and an early Merry Christmas to all!! Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33043	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: the stores'

lookng over another site thet are putiing out their holiday mmories of the old days. yes-those were the days my friends--the boston and suburban stores were neatly and quite elegant and especially well decorated for CHRISTMAS. THE SANTA CLAUS AND THE TOYS .IN MY HOMETOWN THE JORDAN MARSH dept store in downtown Boston hadit all. two big displays --all the new American FLyer in a great big layout and oppsite was the other guys. There also was the train counter with the back shelf displays -usually a sample of every set was on display there! and in the counter glass cases were the accessories and thelines oh! the lines were two and three people deep. I spend hours there. OUT >there must be someone who remebers the the Boston stores and has something we would like to hear of those days. come on write!!!! and send now!! someone out there must be from Boston back then. Whose from NYC? u -gotta have story to tell of going to the toy dept. and 'every one get out the laptop and writ'e about your vists to the department stores toy displays. Give it a go -we want to read your story now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33044	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

You can buy polishing compounds for aluminium at a larger Sears tool dept. It comes as a bar or brick. You rub it against the spinning rag wheel{polishing] wheel.It is white in color, the other colors are far too abrasive for aluminium.I use a metal polish called Simichrome also found at speed shops and especially at motorcycle shops [it's been a favorite of the bike crowd for the 35 years I've been riding]. Aluminium is pretty easy to work with an pretty forgiving but be careful not to gouge it and I wouldn't use any sand paper[wet&dry]more coarse than 1000. 1500 would be better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33045	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

On Friday, November 19, 2004, at 07:31 PM, FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > > > You can buy polishing compounds for aluminium at a larger Sears tool > dept. It > comes as a bar or brick. You rub it against the spinning rag > wheel{polishing] > wheel.It is white in color, the other colors are far too abrasive for > aluminium.I use a metal polish called Simichrome also found at speed > shops and > especially at motorcycle shops [it's been a favorite of the bike crowd > for the 35 > years I've been riding]. Aluminium is pretty easy to work with an > pretty > forgiving but be careful not to gouge it and I wouldn't use any sand > paper[wet&dry]more coarse than 1000. 1500 would be better. > I would not use any sand paper (wet or dry) of any kind. All sand paper will scratch. Use lapping compound of at least tooth paste mix. Tooth paste is very good lapping compound For polishing metal injection molds I use diamond lapping compound of 8000 to 50,000 grit. The Sears bar may be OK but for the best action you need it in oil and things will happen faster. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Tomorrow is an other day and we'll probably mess it up also.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33046	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 21, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33047	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

Lapping compound is used to mate two surfaces, it is meant to remove metal. Polishing compounds are usually dry or in a water base, they clean up with soap and water and don't require harsh solvents. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33048	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: trains of my youth

I had the priveledge (luck?) of growing up 15 miles from NYC. In 1954 when I was ten years old I eagerly watched the workmen build the Gilbert Hall of Science layout in lower Manhatten. Even in this chaiotic enviornment I could see (just barely) through the famous porthole windows what a magnificent layout this was going to be. I was not disappointed, it was like "S" gauge heaven to visit there through Christmas 1956. In 1957 my family moved to Florida and I never saw it again. Today's youth will NEVER experience anything near this today. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33049	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning

Tom....... C U at 9:00..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: TWesthelle@... To: rcon7@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning Hi Bob, Yes, Show opens to TCA at 9:00, and we can meet to go for breakfast whenever. We will see you there. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33050	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Meeting at Maitland Sat. Morning

Hi Bob, Yes, Show opens to TCA at 9:00, and we can meet to go for breakfast whenever. We will see you there. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Way off topic

Now I know where the money is..... Cheese sandwiches... I am going to try to grille an Atlantic between track.... wonder what it would bring..... remember these idiots have to pay e-bay fees....... Try searching CHEESE.... go to highet prices...... heres one.... Bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19270&item=5536648090&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33052	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Looking for a 24566?

Someone on the chat Sunday night expressed an interest in a 24566 auto transport. Contact me off-list if you want more information. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33053	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/19/2004
Subject: Re: Polishing aluminum cars

On Friday, November 19, 2004, at 08:13 PM, FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > > > Lapping compound is used to mate two surfaces, it is meant to remove > metal. > Polishing compounds are usually dry or in a water base, they clean up > with soap > and water and don't require harsh solvents. That may be the way you use it but in the shops where I have work, we use it for polishing Injection molds mixed in oil. I fact the diamond compound comes as a paste in oil with a bottle of oil to make it wetter if you want. When you are polishing you are REMOVING metal. I have never used any lapping or polishing compound DRY. The oil keeps the metal you remove in suspension and does not allow it to clog your polishing board or finger rag. I have been lapping and polishing molds for over 20 years. And to me the terms are interchangeable. Use a little liquid soap straight and the stuff cleans up very nice with a rinse in Kerosine. What is harsh about that. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia. I made a stupid mistake last week. But now that I think of it, did you ever hear of someone making a cleaver mistake.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33054	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

Yes that's the way they are.....Perfect........ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: TOMmINIL@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Car Lighting Do you mean that both metal wheels of one truck have to be on the opposite side of both metal wheels of the other truck? M = metal P= Plastic M M P P LOOKING AT CAR BOTTOM P P M M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33055	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: why/

You know before the war A.C.Gilbert had the Ogage American lyer & the HO AMERICAN FLYER. A side from the normal response to the question of WHY? did Gilbet co.rop the O gage line after the WW2. The colors ;the action was terrific and so many accessories --especaially the track side ones and the semaphores. The follow of the idea to bring along the S- gage was installed in the factory production-the rest is history. But over the next tenyears Gilbert competed BUT changing from some real good products..such as the black track and the tunnels into cut corners for bigger profit gains. T he record shows his strategy was poor in the profit margin and invention & innovation wasn't very hiliting to ingenuity and new. the items such as the 800 series started,worked up,produced, and dropped, showed that Gilbert was a loser against a real competition of business. Gilbert changed horses in mid - stream exact to the expresssion. Was Gilbert fleecing the company -covering cash in creative accounting? I wonder of his honesty---to the publick!! there were three gauges why didnt he stick to prodicing all three in the years of '46-'64 after the war. a rumor back in the early 50's was he caved in to LIONEL's asking him to stay out of o gage as it would /could otherwise be terrible for lionel against two o-gage competetors. Marx being the other one. WHATS YOUR INPUT??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33056	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER & MORE AMERICAN FLYER

THIS IS FOR ALL A BIG X BIG TRAIN LIST. ITS GOT THE AMERICAN FLYER OF a.c.gilberts CIRCA THERE IN NEW HAVEN [thats the real MADE IN USA flyer] and its got the other made wherever by LIONEL. Its 4 pages long- I must liquidate the entire collection of around 1ooo to 5,ooo units asap. for a start a mob American Models train set/SPECIAL EDITION #168----PRESIDENT WASHINGTON passenger set in original box - complete-never set up & in perfect condition A basic original price of $450. it's yours for $450.. Byr pay S/H SEnd LSASE & $1.- for list. to JAY WALSH 300 PARK Terrace, STONEHAM, MA. 02180

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33057	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: What prototypes did AF use for its accessories?

We have returned from a trip to New England. While there we did find the former Gilbert factory complex in New Haven--thanks again to those that provided directions. Unfortunately it was pouring rain so didn't get to see much but the complex seems quite occupied by various small businesses. We also came across the Mystic, Connecticut station which appears to have inspired AF's illuminated station (#589) and other station accessories. We stopped in Guilford, CT but found nothing resembling AF's animated station. I suppose if such a "real" station existed it is long gone and replaced by today's generic bus-like shelter. Finally, we passed by Branford on the interstate--I suppose there could have been an establishment like the AF diner there at one time. What other AF accessories were inspired by the "real McCoy?" Please respond to the list so all can see--don't be shy. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33058	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Short on Engine Chassis

No one has answered this so I will. Go to this link to see a cross-sectional drawing of an af steamer wheel. http://www.mwkiner.com/images/afwheel.gif IF the outer rim is loose it will move inward and contact the chassis. This makes contact between the rail and the chassis, and can result in arching. The positioning of the dark ( in my graphic) inner hub allows a slight clearance between the chassis and the outer rim. (what I am trying to illustrate with the witness lines.) The white component (in real life and in the graphic) is the insulator. Hope this helps, MK -----Original Message----- From: fiantoni [mailto:Frank.I.Antonides@...] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:09 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Short on Engine Chassis I have a 293 loco I am trying to revive. I rewired and relubed and I can get it to run on the work bench for a short period of time then it shorts out. It appears the wheels are shorting out against the chassis somehow. Is that possible? The outer rim on the drivers are loose and need to be glued back on the wheel. I am not sure how the wheels are isolated from the chassis. Should there always be clearance between them? Any pointers or links to this sort of information would be appreciated. Thanks to all for all the great information; I wish their had been an internet when I was a kid! By the way I noted a great increase in the amount of Flyer equipment available at Cal-Stewart in Pasadena last weekend. There were about six to eight tables that were primarily Flyer. That is a huge improvement over two years ago when there didn't seem to be anything available. Layouts were a little sparse this year though; but then last year was phenomenal with every guage plus the Lego layout from San Diego and even a Shuco monorail layout that was amazing to watch. Frank S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33059	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: AF Motor observation update

Wouldn't rebushing the chassis be more effective? Also, i thought the observation about equalizing the smoke push rod with the sidearms was interesting. Has anyone else tried this? Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@a... wrote: > > Regarding speed differential forward/reverse.There is one more factor that I > addressed some time ago and it seems to have been forgotten. When we first > installed can motors in Flyer steamers some of them STILL ran faster in one > direction than the other. That was a bit puzzling since armature wear and > forward/rear thrust were not a factor. What I discovered is that many locos have much > wear in the drive line and there is excessive side to side play of the drive > axle and gear. Thus the worm gear does not set in the CENTER of the drive and > smoke piston gears and creates more/less resistance. That wear is always to one > side (result of running mostly forward). The wear on the gears makes sharp > edges that want to "grab" the worm. > Reducing the side to side slop of the drive axle is a MAJOR way to decrease > the differential of speed. This seems to be more dominant in the 0- 8-0s. One > way to correct the problem is to remove the drive wheels and bush them with > appropriate washers. If you are not adept at quartering wheels then don't try it > yourself. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33060	From: Bruce	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Mistakes

Larry, A clever mistake is one you learn from. Bruce W. (made many)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33061	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel Lumber unloading car

Hi: Had to go get my car to answer your question. The new Lionel car does have two solenoids. Whether this makes it more reliable than the old one i don't know. I do know that it works very well and is a little quieter than the original. The solenoids are smaller than the original so there may be some long term issues with durability and having them work together. I expect those types of considerations will be more relevant to club use at shows than using them on your home layout. It's a nicely made piece. Has the new couplers which i like less than the original Flyer but that's a minor complaint as they seem to work just fine. I bought the first one that came out, a UP labled one. Wish i had waited for the West Side Lumber version as this would be appropriate anywhere in the USA and would work better with my increasing collection of midwest and N&W equipment. Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33062	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Re: An Idea - Implemented at NRVMRR. What about you?

Hi all: The Neuse River club in Raleigh has been working with the local boy scouts on this merit badge for years. When the ACSG attends their November show we have a bunch of scouts at the show on Saturday asking a lot of questions. They come with a multi-page list and they have to go around to all of the folks at the layouts and to the vendors and try to get the answers. We get asked about dynamic braking, rotary engines, types of trains, types of "boxcars", etc. Most of the kids are just trying to get the forms filled out, but a few are also interested in the trains. Most of them do seem to enjoy our layout and spend a good bit of time operating the accessories and watching the different types of trains in operation. This merit badge presents an excellent opportunity for modellers to connect with a group of kids and expose them to, not just the fun of trains, but to the underlying knowledge of railroading in America. Most kids only know that they have to stop at train crossings and trains have loud horns, and that's about it. Getting in touch with local scouting groups is a good opportunity for the NASG to promote the hobby. But you don't have to wait for NASG. All you guys in clubs, you folks who run the GATS and Greenberg shows and those folks who put on all the locally sponsered and supported shows, call the local boy scout chapter and let them know you've got a show coming up in two or three months. Work with them to format appropriate lists of questions for the show and then be ready to help the scouts out when they come to the show. Work out something on the admission fee for the scouts so they don't have to pay the full price, since most of them really aren't train modelers and that will reduce the sting of paying $5-$7 to get into the show when they'd rather spend it on a movie, a burger or video game. All people love a discount! Well, got to go. There's a GATS show in Columbia next year in April and i've got to call the scouts! THink i'll call the girl scouts too and see if they have a train merit badge. May call the YMCA and see if the Y-Indians have a train patch while i'm at it. If they do, i guess we'll have to break out the FY & PRR set and start making teepees to place on the modules. Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33063	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

859 PTLX, Farmers Marketing Assn. 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/859.gif 860 PTLX New Cooperative Inc. 18 rib covered hopper (8-79) http://mopac1.tripod.com/860.gif 861 Farmer Coop Co. 3 bay covered hopper (9-80) http://mopac1.tripod.com/861.gif 862 Lewis Grain Co. 3 bay covered hopper (6-80) http://mopac1.tripod.com/862.gif 863 USLX, Farmers Coop Grain Assn. 3 bay covered hopper. (4-80) http://mopac1.tripod.com/863.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33064	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Hmm, maybe the new Big L CEO isn't so bad. . .

Hi all, Just spotted this posting on the TCA list, thought I might share it: "Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Dobrowolski <el_railfan@...> Subject: Lionel's new CEO a former EL employee It seems the new Lionel CEO might have more of a railroad background than originally thought. Below is an exceprt from Thrusday night's chat: Jerry Calabrese (Nov 18, 2004 7:39:08 PM) "had layout when I was a kid. More interesting, I'm probalby the only train executive in the business that has actually worked on a railroad. I was a Gandy dancer on the old Erie-Lackawanna RR in the summer of 1966, before my first year of college" Food for thought. Bob Dobrowolski" Gee, that doesn't sound so bad. The complete interview is on their site, http://www.lionel.com it sounds as though the guy was very candid and apporachable. Hmmmm! So, only time will tell! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33065	From: Dan Nowicki	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Street Lights

Hi Guy's, My name is Dan Nowicki and I make street lights for HO, N, Z scale. I was at a train show and was ask to look into making some S scale lights. So I am but I need some info from you guy's. (1) What voltage do you use for accy. (2) If voltage is high will you be willing to use resistor's? Any info will help. Here are some photo's of the style I can do now. The light will have a 12 volt bulb and can come with a globe or a shade and painted dk. green, silver, black. I think I can sell the lights for $8.00 and will have 2 per package. Let me know on what you guy's think. The pics are at the photos folder marked street lights. Dan Nowicki (smokenholehobbies)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33066	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Georgia Division Layout

My wife took some photos of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Georgia Division layout today at the Atlanta GATS. You may view them in my photo gallery at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album27 Please view the rest of my photos while you are visiting. I'll continue to post more photos as my layout progresses. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33067	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/20/2004
Subject: AF accessories for sale

I have the following for sale: I have 2 each of the 772 Checkerboard water tank for $65 each and 2 each of the 773 Oil Derrick for $45 each. These are the Lionel remake #6-49809 and 6-49811, and new in their boxes. These are plus actual shipping charge, no handling or box fee. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33068	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: A few interesting quotes from the CEO at Big L

This from the Big L site, the transcription of the chat w/ the CEO, just a few bits we might find intersting! S' David D. D (Nov 18, 2004 7:25:36 PM) How many items in the 2005 catalog will be delayed, or not produced at all, due to the injunction? Jerry Calabrese (Nov 18, 2004 7:25:43 PM) None Signals (Nov 18, 2004 7:25:46 PM) Will Lionel continue to produce American Flyer? Jerry Calabrese (Nov 18, 2004 7:25:56 PM) Yes Guest (Nov 18, 2004 7:29:56 PM) When will the American Flyer Mikado hit stores? Jerry Calabrese (Nov 18, 2004 7:30:18 PM) It has left China, and will be in stores this year D (Nov 18, 2004 7:33:54 PM) Who exactly owns the "Lionel" name? Is it Lionel LLC? Jerry Calabrese (Nov 18, 2004 7:34:45 PM) the owners of the company own all assets, including the name. the owners are: the estate of Martin Davis, who died a few years ago, Neil Young and Dick Kughn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33069	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Flyonel Walking Brakeman

I bought the Flyonel Sante Fe "walking brakeman" boxcar when it first came out. Now I'm going to go to DC operation, so I took the shell off to look inside. No vibrator motor, a nice little can motor with a plastic gearbox and a circuit board. The man "walks" with the help of a band of "movie film" around a sproket at each end of the car. It works well. Question: Not being an electronics expert, I'm not sure if I need to remove the circuit board to go DC power, or just leave it alone and run it. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33070	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Highway Legends trucks

Does anyone out there still sell Hartoy's American Highway Legends 1/64 diecast trucks? I managed to get a few of the conventional style, but I'd like to get the Mack and GMC cab over style trucks. I have checked the "usual suspects" on the web, such as Diecast Direct, but no luck. Lots of modern trucks and cars, and lots of out of scale "low riders" in the stores and on line. Found a place in New Zealand that makes expensive kits of old vehicles, but no "big" trucks. Stumpy in Eastern Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33071	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: New Baldwin's noise

Just ran my new Flyionel Baldwin, anybody notice the noise? It makes a knocking sound, like plastic against metal? Remedies? Has this been brought up before? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33072	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: New Baldwin's noise

Harwood, These are generally smooth runners although a bit fast. I have several. I suspect that one of the worm wheel gears on the axles may have cracked. It is easy to check by removing the 4 screws that hold the truck side frame assembly to the truck. Once the screws are out lift the side frame aside and the wheel assemblies can be lifted out and inspected being careful to keep the insulated wheel orientation correct. Check for a cracked worm gear or worm wheel. Also check for any binding or a traction tire not installed correctly. The gears can be replace or you can return it to "L". Good luck, Carl -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii@... [mailto:HOwingsiii@...] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:44 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Baldwin's noise Just ran my new Flyionel Baldwin, anybody notice the noise? It makes a knocking sound, like plastic against metal? Remedies? Has this been brought up before? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33073	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic

Since you live in Ohio... are you going to try to make it to the Huntington Train Show next weekend? If it ok with Paul I am going to make a flyer to leave on the table telling about the "S-Trains group and Chucks site about the catalogs..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks

Stumpy... I have several, about 50 -60 of the old style..... They stopped making them some time ago..... might put them up for sale in Jan... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Highway Legends trucks > > > > Does anyone out there still sell Hartoy's American Highway Legends > 1/64 diecast trucks? I managed to get a few of the conventional > style, but I'd like to get the Mack and GMC cab over style trucks. I > have checked the "usual suspects" on the web, such as Diecast Direct, > but no luck. > Lots of modern trucks and cars, and lots of out of scale "low > riders" in the stores and on line. Found a place in New Zealand that > makes expensive kits of old vehicles, but no "big" trucks. > Stumpy in Eastern Ohio > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33075	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: AHL trucks

Stumpy.....search Ebay for AHL Hartoy. You can usually find a dozen or so there. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33076	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Potential S items from On30

My Friends in the 1:64 World, If you're modeling interests are modeling locomotive #27365 at precicely 1:57:48 pm on 3-11-1924 northbound exactly 3.67 kilometer south of Somewhere in particular - then please use the delete key now! Bachmann has just given the On30 crowd an exquisitely detailed Climax locomotive that I believe has great potential for use in 1:64, either Sn42 (right out of the box) or regauged for Std Gauge and possibly Sn3. Listed as a 28-Tonner in 1:48, she's a big one in 1:64 - but, in my humble opinion, very believable. The cab needs to be lowered a bit and some of the details swapped out for 1:64 items - but I think that's all. The On3 folks have already listed the procedures for regauging to 3/4" actual gauge - it seems to me that perhaps Bachmann anticipated this conversion and left the axles a bit long and the brake shoes a bit wider than required for On30. I don't know if there will be enough axle length to go all the way to 7/8" actual gauge - but - examining the trucks, it looks like swapping for longer axles should be nearly as easy (at least you won't have to requarter the wheels). The Bachmann On30 Shay is also a possibility, although regauging will be a bit more of a chore. But, as I'm modeling Sn42 - she runs on my rightr-of-way right out of the box! Looking at my pix of the Big Sandy & Cumberland RR, a 42" gauge logging line in SW Virginia (WM Ritter Co and later the N&W Rwy) these two locos fit in to my scheme nicely! Here is the Url for a pic of the Climax on Paul Yorke's website http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/bach_climax_with_shs_boxcar_crpd and a pic of the Shay http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/bach_shay_with_shs_boxcar_crpd I know the pictures suck - just quick snap shots to show the size relationships. I've got my Nomex and Kevlar out - so send your comments please! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33077	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: T"WAS THE WEEKS BEFORE CHRISTMAS

where& why haven't you members gotten off your Pleasent memories of visiting the TRain displays at this time of the seaon before Santa showed up at your home with the LIOnel OR AMERICAN FLYER or MARX train for u. I'M sure out their u are harboring wonderful strories to put up for all of us to share in and enjoy , now! c'mon fill our Stockings with the BLASTS from the PAST of the GOOD oldies. MAKE MY HOLIDAYS_NOW!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33078	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: the YELLOW MAINTENANCE CAR

#23743 FOR SALE!! no man it's miising-but easily as you know replaceable] buy the 5 digit YELLOW MAINTENANCE CAR ** now its in pefect appearance and operation. low/low price $90. +s/h Jay polpolk9@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33079	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: AHL trucks

Stumpy, I bought several AHL trucks at S-Fest this year. They are awesome in detail and nicely done. I don't remember the dealer I bought them from but Phil Kosin knows him. Maybe he has a web site. Phil, can you help here? Barb "Knight, Gene" wrote: > Stumpy.....search Ebay for AHL Hartoy. You can usually find a dozen or so there. > > Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33080	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: SHS discount

Yes, from time to time their items appears in the Walthers bi-monthly discount flyers - but it's a rare occasion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33081	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer prototypes.

S-Gaugers, I don't have any idea what prototypes inspired AC Gilbert's mind to produce accessories for his line of S-gauge trains, but it is my understanding that his "New Haven" coaches inspired the real New Haven line to have "American Flyer" coaches built for use on the railroad of the same name. Thus the 290 series of Pacific locomotives, with the New York, New Haven, and Hartford logo hauling a string of these coaches might look as though they are based on the prototype. Would this be a case of the real imitating the model? W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33082	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: for MS. BARBARA RUDINIKI

hi Barbara....this is JAY --you posted a message titled AHL TRUCKS to polpolk9@... it didnt get reviewed it was scratched in the flow of things unintentionally. can u please get back to me with it at your convenience. sincerely JAY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33083	From: Bruce	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Need to contact

A very nice person e-mailed me pictures of his Chritmas Trains and layout and my computer was acting up, plus I hadn't finished my christmas train in ON30 and I'de like to send them to you, now that my computer is operational again.............. Thanks for letting me take up some bandwidth...... Bruce Crosby abcrosby@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33084	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: S & K Toy Trucks Hartoy AHL Launch Page

http://www.sktoytrucks.com/HartoyAHLLaunchPage.htm Search google and you can find anything, as here is a dealer in AHL Hartoy trucks. Hope this helps, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33085	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 21, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33086	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototypes.

Hi, I read this some time back in one of my books on Gilbert American Flyer. All the accessories are "O" not "S" gauge. They never made any new dies to make them in "S" they just used the old dies so they could cut in to big L's market in "O" gauge accessories. They should of never gave up the foot hold in "O" that they had. They did make some in "HO" how ever. Do any of you recall reading this? Clayton S. D. --- "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> wrote: > > > S-Gaugers, > I don't have any idea what prototypes inspired > AC Gilbert's mind to > produce accessories for his line of S-gauge trains, > but it is my > understanding that his "New Haven" coaches inspired > the real New Haven > line to have "American Flyer" coaches built for use > on the railroad of > the same name. Thus the 290 series of Pacific > locomotives, with the New > York, New Haven, and Hartford logo hauling a string > of these coaches > might look as though they are based on the > prototype. > Would this be a case of the real imitating the > model? > W. Thomas > Boussum > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you > must begin by > creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos" > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33087	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: American Flyer prototypes

Just read an article in the Classic Trains Streamliner special issue that American Flyer copied the New Haven cars because he saw them all the time and liked the look. The cars were built by Pullman starting in 1934. The New Haven eventually had 205 of them including 5 grill- cafeteria cars by 1938. Stumpy Stone...past my bedtime in Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33088	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Flyer Proto

Speaking of Flyer prototypes, there is a set of pictures on the Yahoo site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/AFPrototypePhotos/ Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33089	From: David Engle	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Lionel makes the paper

An article, "Off the Tracks - Lionel missed the train on supplying its 'Polar Express'" Showed up here today. I presume you can pick it up off Wall Street Journal, as the by-line is "Joseph Pereira and Ethan Smith of the Wall Street Journal. KC star added an illustration of the center of a figure-8 with an engine, tender, boxcar, and caboose laying on their sides over the crossing area. DJE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33090	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks

Stumpy Dr Ben's (Ben Bendever, publisher of the 1:64 Modeling Guide) has the full line of Hartoys products. Check and see if he will be attending a show near you, or you can purchase online. Click on the "Main Street Motor Co." link on the left side menu. http://66.148.2.165/miva/merchant.mvc Michael At 04:00 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote: >Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:23:02 -0000 > From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> >Subject: American Highway Legends trucks > > Does anyone out there still sell Hartoy's American Highway Legends >1/64 diecast trucks? I managed to get a few of the conventional >style, but I'd like to get the Mack and GMC cab over style trucks. I >have checked the "usual suspects" on the web, such as Diecast Direct, >but no luck. > Lots of modern trucks and cars, and lots of out of scale "low >riders" in the stores and on line. Found a place in New Zealand that >makes expensive kits of old vehicles, but no "big" trucks. > Stumpy in Eastern Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33091	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks

Stumpy, Try this website. It is part of Debbie and Ben's website for DEBEN LLC. P. O. Box 56, Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 -- www.DEBENLLC.com Your need to paste this whole line in the URL address box: http://66.148.2.165/miva/merchant.mvc? Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DEBENLLC&Category_Code=AHL Hope you find something Greg Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Does anyone out there still sell Hartoy's American Highway Legends 1/64 diecast trucks? I managed to get a few of the conventional style, but I'd like to get the Mack and GMC cab over style trucks. I have checked the "usual suspects" on the web, such as Diecast Direct, but no luck. Lots of modern trucks and cars, and lots of out of scale "low riders" in the stores and on line. Found a place in New Zealand that makes expensive kits of old vehicles, but no "big" trucks. Stumpy in Eastern Ohio S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that�s new in My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33092	From: Phil K	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: AHL trucks

I don't have any detailed contact info handy but his name is Mac McGrath and he is a member of the State Line and Chicagoland S- Gaugers. His email is: macster1@... There ya go. Phil K ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@e...> wrote: > > Stumpy, > > I bought several AHL trucks at S-Fest this year. They > are awesome in detail and nicely done. I don't remember > the dealer I bought them from but Phil Kosin knows him. > Maybe he has a web site. Phil, can you help here? > > Barb > > "Knight, Gene" wrote: > > > Stumpy.....search Ebay for AHL Hartoy. You can usually find a dozen or so there. > > > > Gene > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33093	From: roy inman	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: CTT issue

Hi all; Do any of you have a copy of the March 2004 Classic Toy Trains magazine that you would be willing to part with? I'll pay. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33094	From: keefer1	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: repaints

I just recieved a package of repainted cars I bought on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5931540130&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT If you go to the auction , the baby blue car has enough paint removed to see the 980 B+O sticker , the green boxcar, has the big oval of a 981 c of g .Both cars are rust free and have catwalks complete ARGH!!!! Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33095	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Hartoy Trucks...Thanks!

Many of you have responded both on list and many more by e-mail, and I thank you all! More Hartoy sources than I expected turned up. In fact, the Visa card people should be thanking you as well, as they too are sure to be happy. Many of you have told me Hartoy is out of business. This is too bad as these trucks are the right era and price for those many S gauge layouts out there. Fortunately, once you find them, there seems to be a decent supply of them for now. Thanks again to all those that responded. For that matter thanks again to all those who have responded to my many other questions as well. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33096	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: for sale a

have a 336 apart its never-the -less complete -nothing missing the shell is in very excellent condition.white edge stripe,number board headlite,generator, bell/whistlesmoke unit ; chimney white all in excellent condition!! price for this unit is $325 plus s/h&ins. note: this is only for the boiler sction. If interested to buy --please contact asap polpolk9@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33097	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: AHL Trucks New Production!

Five new AHL trucks will be on your favorite dealer's shelves in the next few weeks. Tonkin Replicas now owns the rights to the former Hartoy line. The first five trucks are: Clauson's Bakery, Seattle Bros. Coffee, Gopher State Trucking, Navy Gas and Freightways. I will try to upload photos. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33098	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Looking for the perfect holiday gift?

Found this little item while browsing - from the CCrane Co. - an "Erector Train Set kit." The picture looks like the kit makes a nice G-scale steamline K4 (if you have a good imagination). The ad copy claims it will even run on G-Scale track, and when you get tired of it you can re-assemble it into a submarine or rocket ship.... http://www.ccrane.com/erector-train-set.aspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33099	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: selling

Since everybody is selling lately.... I have a 24573 for 250.00..... Its in Kleer Pack and I don't think its ever been out of the box..... driver, papers, cardboard, etc. all there.. Plastic a little dull from age in the Kleer Pack..... I also need a 24739 with silhouettes in e+ condition with box to finish a set....might take a 954 with Sil's in it.... both need boxes... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33100	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: American Highway Legends trucks

Gregory Klein <moviemadness2@...> wrote: Your need to paste this whole line in the URL address box: http://66.148.2.165/miva/merchant.mvc? Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DEBENLLC&Category_Code=AHL Try this instead: http://tinyurl.com/57hav When you have a long url that might be truncated, go to tinyurl.com and paste it in to get a little one. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33101	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re;AHL Trucks-new production

Having just recently chased around to find these from Hartoy, I can tell you how welcome these will be. There isn't all that much availible in S gauge vehicles, especially vehicles for the steam era. These trucks were a good product at a good price and the current supply of the old Hartoy American Highway Legends is slowly drying up. I'm more interested in the trucks themselves than the brand names on the sides. Paint and decals can be used to make a truck any company you want, but you got to have the truck first! Now if we could just get someone to do automobiles of similar vintage, quality, and price! I'm an ex-hot rodder and stock car racer, but a layout full of them looks goofy. I can't picture Ma and Pa climbing through the window of their NASCAR stocker to drive to the store. Stumpy Stone...I just love those 1930s, 40s, 50s cars...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33102	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: AHL new truck photos

"AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33103	From: polpolk9	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: TRAINS & trains &Christmas shopping

FOR SALE---a mintGP-20 MERRY CHRISTMAS in original box & never used !In perfect factory fresh condition at a easy $310. byr pay s/h--* money order or *bank check ONly!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33104	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos

Jim, I'd like to see some 1935 to 1965 era dump trucks and coal haulers with 6 and 10 wheels. It would be nice to have an option to add a snow plow, maybe angled to one side and a V-type. The trucks could be used for road construction, coal yards and delivery, winter snow scenes, and general construction. The down side would be not a great variety in colors (silver bed or all one color -dark green, red, black, and yellow for state highway departments), but no advertising on the sides like the original AHL truck in the 1990's. Just one opinion. Thanks Greg kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: "AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that�s new in My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33105	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos

Jim, I agree with Greg, I am modeling 1958 and would like to see trucks related to road construction and general construction- with no ads on the sides. Thanks... Barb Gregory Klein wrote: > Jim, > > I'd like to see some 1935 to 1965 era dump trucks and coal haulers with 6 and 10 wheels. It would be nice to have an option to add a snow plow, maybe angled to one side and a V-type. The trucks could be used for road construction, coal yards and delivery, winter snow scenes, and general construction. The down side would be not a great variety in colors (silver bed or all one color -dark green, red, black, and yellow for state highway departments), but no advertising on the sides like the original AHL truck in the 1990's. > > Just one opinion. Thanks > Greg > > kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: > > "AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in > my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck > production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what > your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Discover all that’s new in My Yahoo! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33106	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos

Hey guys.... don't forget Ertl mad a nice line of 1/64 trucks back in the 70's or 80's..... still have a bunch somewhere.... coal haulers.... log trucks , etc.....Called trucks of the world......... Here is a link to one..... they are really nice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36502&item=6937181337 &rd=1 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AHL new truck photos > > > Jim, > > I agree with Greg, I am modeling 1958 and would like to > see trucks related to road construction and general > construction- with no ads on the sides. > > Thanks... Barb > > Gregory Klein wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I'd like to see some 1935 to 1965 era dump trucks and coal haulers with 6 and 10 wheels. It would be nice to have an option to add a snow plow, maybe angled to one side and a V-type. The trucks could be used for road construction, coal yards and delivery, winter snow scenes, and general construction. The down side would be not a great variety in colors (silver bed or all one color -dark green, red, black, and yellow for state highway departments), but no advertising on the sides like the original AHL truck in the 1990's. > > > > Just one opinion. Thanks > > Greg > > > > kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: > > > > "AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in > > my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck > > production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what > > your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Discover all that's new in My Yahoo! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33107	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Ertl

Here is the one I had in mind.... Bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36502&item=6936159699&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33108	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos

I could use some 3 axel log trucks with 2 axel trailers. Both with or without loads. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AHL new truck photos > > > Jim, > > I agree with Greg, I am modeling 1958 and would like to > see trucks related to road construction and general > construction- with no ads on the sides. > > Thanks... Barb > > Gregory Klein wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> I'd like to see some 1935 to 1965 era dump trucks and coal haulers with 6 >> and 10 wheels. It would be nice to have an option to add a snow plow, >> maybe angled to one side and a V-type. The trucks could be used for road >> construction, coal yards and delivery, winter snow scenes, and general >> construction. The down side would be not a great variety in colors >> (silver bed or all one color -dark green, red, black, and yellow for >> state highway departments), but no advertising on the sides like the >> original AHL truck in the 1990's. >> >> Just one opinion. Thanks >> Greg >> >> kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: >> >> "AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in >> my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck >> production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what >> your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Discover all that's new in My Yahoo! >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33109	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Custom Crafted 2-4-2 from the 60's

Guys, I pulled this out of an attic in Scranton, PA after my trip to York last October. I finally got to play with it and make it run. It is beautifully custom crafted from 290, and Northern, and other parts. It has a large AC motor and a two position MARX reverse unit hanging off the back of the motor. It was built in the mid-60's. It has lied dormant since the gentleman died in 1969. I took an inch of dust off of it before I could see what it was. Note the extra piping on the boiler. This thing is ready to run. It is in need of a good cleaning but will then be ready for your road name. I am asking $650. If you are truly interested, send me an e-mail and I will send a picture. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33110	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re: AHL new truck photos

Ah yes, log trucks would be great. But 1958 or earlier models... Barb Robert Boring wrote: > I could use some 3 axel log trucks with 2 axel trailers. Both with or > without loads. > Bob Boring > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AHL new truck photos > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I agree with Greg, I am modeling 1958 and would like to > > see trucks related to road construction and general > > construction- with no ads on the sides. > > > > Thanks... Barb > > > > Gregory Klein wrote: > > > >> Jim, > >> > >> I'd like to see some 1935 to 1965 era dump trucks and coal haulers with 6 > >> and 10 wheels. It would be nice to have an option to add a snow plow, > >> maybe angled to one side and a V-type. The trucks could be used for road > >> construction, coal yards and delivery, winter snow scenes, and general > >> construction. The down side would be not a great variety in colors > >> (silver bed or all one color -dark green, red, black, and yellow for > >> state highway departments), but no advertising on the sides like the > >> original AHL truck in the 1990's. > >> > >> Just one opinion. Thanks > >> Greg > >> > >> kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: > >> > >> "AHL new trucks" is the photo album for the new trucks I mentioned in > >> my earlier post. Also, I have contacted Tonkin about custom truck > >> production. I'd like to here some ideas from the group as to what > >> your needs are. Thank you, Jim Duncan > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> Discover all that's new in My Yahoo! > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33111	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Re;AHL new truck photos

The Lionel container trailer frame of a few years ago would work for a log truck trailer, although it's a bit long. I compared the wheels on my Hartoy Peterbuilt with the ones on the Lionel trailer and they are almost exactly the same diameter. A log truck bed for a straight truck could easily be made of Plastruct or stripwood and mounted to the Hartoy chassis. How about some just plain blank trucks for custom painting? Stumpy Stone..now fifty years in model railroading...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33112	From: Paul	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Warning - Beware

Not everbody on this list uses their real name. If you send money to someone on the list be careful. I had to ban someone form the list, not for money related problems, but because he was sending hateful notes to list members about 'slave labor' in China. If you get hate mail from a list member, you can usually block that person from sending you more email. You can also report them to Yahoo or AOL or whoever is their provider. Just forward their note to abuse@... or abuse@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33113	From: Dave W	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Salvador Dali: American Flyer fan??

Take a close look at the rolling stock pic on this Ebay item...... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5936761929&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33114	From: firex43	Date: 11/23/2004
Subject: Wanted: ERTL 1/64 Western Star T.T.

Hello, I am trying to locate an ERTL 1/64 Western Star Constellation tractor with trailer. This item would have been issued in 1999. Please respond off-list. Thank You in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33115	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re;Salvador Dali American Flyer fan?

That appears to be some thoroughly wiped out stuff! Why even e-bay it? The cars look like they've been through the ringer, then stripped for parts. And he's got three bids? Plus $8. shipping? What's that old adage "A fool and his money....." Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33116	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: SHS Christmas Engine and Caboose

Hi Everyone, If anyone was wanting one of the SHS Christmas Engines and Caboose, I have have one left. Contact me at the e-mail or phone number below. Thanks, Chris Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33117	From: Phil K	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling

I cannot find reference to a "24573" in any lists of Flyer anywhere. I'm curious. What is this? Thanks, Phil K _________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > > Since everybody is selling lately.... I have a 24573 for 250.00..... Its in Kleer Pack and I don't think its ever been out of the box..... driver, papers, cardboard, etc. all there.. Plastic a little dull from age in the Kleer Pack..... > I also need a 24739 with silhouettes in e+ condition with box to finish a set....might take a 954 with Sil's in it.... both need boxes... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33118	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling

Why, it is that Rare 24573 Phil! LOL Probably a mis-composed number by Bob. Mike M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: selling > > > > I cannot find reference to a "24573" in any lists of Flyer anywhere. > I'm curious. What is this? > > Thanks, > > Phil K > > _________________________________________________________________ > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > > > Since everybody is selling lately.... I have a 24573 for > 250.00..... Its in Kleer Pack and I don't think its ever been out of > the box..... driver, papers, cardboard, etc. all there.. Plastic a > little dull from age in the Kleer Pack..... > > I also need a 24739 with silhouettes in e+ condition with box to > finish a set....might take a 954 with Sil's in it.... both need > boxes... Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33119	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: selling

Hi Phil, Bob is out of town but he responded to my same question. What he meant to type was 23743. Barb Phil K wrote: > I cannot find reference to a "24573" in any lists of Flyer anywhere. > I'm curious. What is this? > > Thanks, > > Phil K > > _________________________________________________________________ > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > > > Since everybody is selling lately.... I have a 24573 for > 250.00..... Its in Kleer Pack and I don't think its ever been out of > the box..... driver, papers, cardboard, etc. all there.. Plastic a > little dull from age in the Kleer Pack..... > > I also need a 24739 with silhouettes in e+ condition with box to > finish a set....might take a 954 with Sil's in it.... both need > boxes... Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33120	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

When you eat too much turkey Watch too many games Then go run the trains Don't sit in a comfy chair Otherwise you may wake up to mayhem Your trains have just crashed Hope you all have enjoy the day and give thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33121	From: Art	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Brush Springs

Hi: I am in the process of setting up a Christmas layout for a Historical Society open house on December 4. One of the wires to the brush cap in my 303 steam locomotive I use on this layout was broken and I removed the brush cap to resolder the wire. Unfortunately, I did not know, until an hour later, that the cap held in the brush spring. When I tried to operate the engine it would not work and I then discovered that I was missing one brush spring. Apparently, it shot out when I took off the brush cap and I never even saw it go. Attempts to find it in the room have been fruitless and attempts to buy one and get it by December 4 have also failed. I feel sure that Doug Peck would have come through, but Port Lines is closed until 11/30 due to a loss in the family. So, I was hoping that someone on this list who is within a couple of days mail of upstate NY might have a spare brush spring for a 303 that I could purchase. If so, I would appreciate it if you would contact me off list. Thanks, Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33122	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: Re: Brush Springs

I wrote Art a reply, and when I sent it, it went to Art instead of the group. Oops. I'll try to replicate it for the group: If you can't get the spring you need, you can make your own emergency duplicate: 1. Carefully, so as not to lose the one spring you have, remove the "other" brush cap and measure that good spring. Measure the diameter, length, number of turns, and the approximate diameter of the wire. Replace the spring and cap. 2. Go to the hobby shop and find some spring wire of about the same size. Also find from your own tools a drill bit about 1/2 the diameter of the spring and a pair of vise-grips. 3. Clamp one end of the spring wire to the drill bit and wrap the wire around the bit as tightly as you can, for a couple more turns than you think you need. 4. Let the spring relax and compare size. If it's too big, you may need to use a smaller drill bit. If it's too small, you can "unwind" the spring to a larger diameter. Similarly you can stretch out the spring to a longer profile. 5. Once the spring is the right size, cut off the ends. Being hardened spring steel, I suggest using a cut-off disc in your Dremel tool, of course wearing safety glasses. You can ruin a good pair of side cutters trying to cut hardened stee. 6. Insert your emergency spring and test run the engine. This is likely NOT a suitable spring for long-term extended use, but should do in a pinch. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Darrell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <aag_rlg@y...> wrote: > > > Hi: > > I am in the process of setting up a Christmas layout for a Historical > Society open house on December 4. One of the wires to the brush cap > in my 303 steam locomotive I use on this layout was broken and I > removed the brush cap to resolder the wire. Unfortunately, I did not > know, until an hour later, that the cap held in the brush spring. > When I tried to operate the engine it would not work and I then > discovered that I was missing one brush spring. Apparently, it shot > out when I took off the brush cap and I never even saw it go. > Attempts to find it in the room have been fruitless and attempts to > buy one and get it by December 4 have also failed. I feel sure that > Doug Peck would have come through, but Port Lines is closed until > 11/30 due to a loss in the family. So, I was hoping that someone on > this list who is within a couple of days mail of upstate NY might > have a spare brush spring for a 303 that I could purchase. If so, I > would appreciate it if you would contact me off list. > > Thanks, > Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33123	From: T Larson	Date: 11/24/2004
Subject: UPS

My new diecastdirect.com catalog has many modern trucks. It also has a UPS delivery van. I believe that this style has been used for MANY years, so it may be appropriate going back quite a few years. Anybody know fer sher? The website says it is from the 80's. What did they look like before that? http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=UP398 -- Ted Larson http://www.frontiernet.net/~mhrreast/car/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33124	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Article on Installing SW-9 DC Shorting Plug

I wanted to convert my new Showcase Line MEC SW-9 Christmas Locomotive to DC Polarity reversing, which requires removing the shell, removing the AC/DC board, and installing the supplied DC Shorting plug. This is pretty easy, but I thought it would be worth taking some pictures and documenting the procedure. This is also the first step to converting this loco to DCC. If you are interested in the procedure, or just want to see the inside of the new SW-9, I posted the article on the showcaseline website. Here's a direct link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSW9Plug.html Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33125	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re;UPS

If I recall correctly, this style of truck was a special order for UPS in the late 1980s. No one else had these at the time as they were built to UPS specifications. This became their "standard" design after using "off the shelf" vans and trucks in their early years. These are very well maintained every night and reliability is still high after all these years and millions of miles. Only now are they starting to be replaced by a second generation of "UPS secification" trucks. We take these for granted so much today that we never think about what a triumph of engineering and maintenance they really are. Stumpy Stone...be nice to the UPS man, he may be bringing you trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33126	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: SNOW!!

Happy Thanksgiving, Barb and All! The link below (plus 2 other photos) shows the first snow of the season in Aurora, OH - started this morning. http://s-scale.org/albums/album50/DSC02524 Have a safe and Happy Holiday Weekend. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33127	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: To the S Clubs out there

I'd like to feature an S club every other month in the S Curves column in Model Railroad News. If you would like to have your club mentioned just email me with a short write up about the club including history, membership, activities, etc. It would be nice if you could attach any pictures of the club, including the members or the club layout, etc. I also could include any upcoming events for any club that wants to get word to me. Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33128	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving All, Among many other things, I am thankful for my trains and this list and its members. CheerS... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33129	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: SNOW!!

Hi Dick, First let me tell you that my new email address is gartrain@... Let me also say Happy Thanksgiving and your trains with the snow backdrop are beautiful. We just came back from St. Croix where it is always sunny and 80 degrees except during hurricanes. St. Croix does not have any hobby shops and I could not find any train operators nor American Flyer collectors. Since there is no evidence of real trains ever being on the island I doubt that many people have an interest in model railroading. It is cloudy and damp here in PA but the trains are running. You may visit my model railroad by going to: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Ritter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> > > Happy Thanksgiving, Barb and All! The link below (plus 2 other photos) > shows the first snow of the season in Aurora, OH - started this morning. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album50/DSC02524 > > Have a safe and Happy Holiday Weekend. > > Dick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33130	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: SNOW!!

That looks like S-gauge snow to me! Very Nice and Happy Thanksgiving to All!!! amflyral@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] SNOW!! > > > Happy Thanksgiving, Barb and All! The link below (plus 2 other photos) > shows the first snow of the season in Aurora, OH - started this morning. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album50/DSC02524 > > Have a safe and Happy Holiday Weekend. > > Dick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33131	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!!!

Hey Gang, Everyone have a very Happy Turkey Day!!! My TTOS group, The Sacramento Valley Division will be at the California State Railroad Museum this Holiday weekend Nov.26,27,28. There will be Operating Layouts for the Kids to see! (and yes we have S gauge). There is also The Thomas W. Sefton Toy Train Collection on display. What a Beautifully done Display!!! Run Trains, Eat Turkey & Have Fun! Happy Thanksgiving Jeff S...... <afjeff56>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33132	From: Art	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: Re: Brush Springs

Hi: I just want to publicly thank everyone who responded to my plea for help. With all the offers, I could be up to my eyes in brush springs. However, Doug Peck also responded to my post, although I did not think that he was available. So he is going to send me some springs so that I can have them for the open house. In spite of the at times discordant messages on this list, when someone really needs help, the members always come through. That is why this is a great group. Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving. Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33133	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: for sale or trade

Good Afternoon and wishing all a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving Came across a few items, that I thought I'd see it anyone might be interested in: 1 AF 6-48306 SCL Boxcar new in box $20 1 SHS Pulpwood load only.........$5 1 AF red curved roof truss for train shed ...$7.50 1 AF O gauge stamped truck and coupler frame, no coupler, no wheels and no journal box covers....postage 1 group of 3 AF stamped trucks, two with link couplers, one with KC conversion and an old Stewart soft metal roller bearing side frame on one side only....... $1.50 1 pr of AF diecast trucks with couplers, three axles have metal wheels on one side $2.00 1 AF 632 late version painted gray good lettering, all steps there, no trucks...this is a casting from the later mold where the trucks attach with rivets not screws....too nice to repaint $15 or a hopper shell in trade 3 American Models Reading Blue Coal triple hoppers $100 or trade for three AM CB&Q triple hoppers 1 Lionel AF tractor trailer 6-12810 new in box $12.00 1 Lionel tractor and grain rig 6-12779 new in box $17.50 All items plus postage.... looking for any Lindberg Mini lindy's Chevy vegas, need a GP-7 shell with a good long hood Thanks for looking please contact off list Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33134	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/25/2004
Subject: trade list update

Evening, The 632, the link trucks and the pulp wood load are now gone... Thanks Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33135	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: sale or trade up date

Sorry to take up more space...the roof truss is now off the list Thanks gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 28, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: Re;Sunday chat!

I'd never done this before, but Paul said "it's easy!" And it is! Just follow the link, put in your user name and password, and you're in! It's that simple. You type in a brief message and watch others do the same. After that, it's like talking to a group of friends, except you're typing instead of talking. It takes alittle getting used to, folks type in different colors, smiley faces show up, but I caught on enough to get by last week. If you haven't tried it, do so this Sunday evening. Stumpy Stone...filling my place with Flyer smoke...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33138	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 11/26/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

864 USLX, Evergreen Hatchery Inc. 3 bay covered hopper. 5-73. Set will letter one car http://mopac1.tripod.com/864.gif 865 RRRX, Farmers Coop Co. 3 bay covered hopper. 9-80. Set will letter one car http://mopac1.tripod.com/865.gif 866 GM&O 40' DD boxcar. 1-47. Set will letter 2 cars http://mopac1.tripod.com/866.gif 867 L&N 40' DD boxcar. 1-47. Set will letter 2 cars http://mopac1.tripod.com/867.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.50 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33139	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: S-Mod / Free-Mo - my 2 cents worth

During the past year, before the Western NY S Gaugers had corner modules and wanted to set up at a train meet in the buffalo area, we took our corner modules over to them from Rochester. Because both clubs used S-Mod standards the modules went together with minimum trouble and the combined set ran for a 2 day show. This was the first time our club, the RASG, ever interfaced with another club's modules after about 10 years of setting up for local train shows. This convinced me of the value of using existing S-Mod standards for the interface. A new set of standards only dilutes the number of clubs that can interface. S-Mod is not the panacea, but after looking at the Free-Mod I can't see what it brings to the party. There is nothing in S-Mod that says you can't run point to point or any angle interface between modules. At one train show we lacked manpower to set up the whole layout so we ran point to point and did switching. We usually like to run a continuous loop because it lets 2 or 3 people easily maintain operation for the duration of the show. We have yard modules that attach to out main modules to provide more switching opportunity. They are somewhat outside the standards but connect to modules that are to standards. We run both scale and hirail on code 148 AM track. If we were building new modules now we would probably use code 125. Our biggest problem is maintaining critical mass of manpower to set up and take down the layout for 1 day local train shows. It takes a minimum of 4-5 people. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33140	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Can motor in a Franklin

I am replacing the motor in a Franklin with a can motor. The can motor mounting plate is much thinner than the brush and field assembly that it replaces and this changes the location of the bracket (PA15044) that holds the rear of the chassis to the cab roof so that it can not line up with the screw hole in the roof. Does anyone who has already made this conversion have a suggestion on the best way to replace this bracket ? Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33141	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin

Victor, I have built two custom Franklins with can motors. Look in the files section under the Custom Franklin folder. The first file is a text file that describes how I built it. The last file has a photo of the chassis showing the modified bracket. Also look in my folder on Paul Yorke's site for more photos of my Franklins, here: http://s-scale.org/albums/album46 Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@q...> wrote: > > I am replacing the motor in a Franklin with a can motor. The can motor > mounting plate is much thinner than the brush and field assembly that it > replaces and this changes the location of the bracket (PA15044) that holds > the rear of the chassis to the cab roof so that it can not line up with the > screw hole in the roof. Does anyone who has already made this conversion > have a suggestion on the best way to replace this bracket ? > > Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33142	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin

Victor, I sent this once to the list but don't see it showing up for some reason, I'll try it once more. I have built two custom Franklin with can motors. Look in the files section in my Custom Franklin folder. The first file is a text file with description of how it was done. The last file is photo of the chassis showing the bracket. Also look in my folder on Paul Yorke's website showing my custom locos, here: http://s-scale.org/albums/album46 Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@q...> wrote: > > I am replacing the motor in a Franklin with a can motor. The can motor > mounting plate is much thinner than the brush and field assembly that it > replaces and this changes the location of the bracket (PA15044) that holds > the rear of the chassis to the cab roof so that it can not line up with the > screw hole in the roof. Does anyone who has already made this conversion > have a suggestion on the best way to replace this bracket ? > > Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33143	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/27/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] S-Mod / Free-Mo - my 2 cents worth (corrected)

On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Mod / Free-Mo - my 2 cents worth > > > During the past year, before the Western NY S Gaugers had no corner modules and > wanted to set up at a train meet in the buffalo area, we took our corner > modules over to them from Rochester. Because both clubs used S-Mod > standards the modules went together with minimum trouble and the combined > set ran for a 2 day show. This was the first time our club, the RASG, ever > interfaced with another club's modules after about 10 years of setting up > for local train shows. This convinced me of the value of using existing > S-Mod standards for the interface. > > A new set of standards only dilutes the number of clubs that can interface. > S-Mod is not the panacea, but after looking at the Free-Mod I can't see what > it brings to the party. There is nothing in S-Mod that says you can't run > point to point or any angle interface between modules. At one train show we > lacked manpower to set up the whole layout so we ran point to point and did > switching. We usually like to run a continuous loop because it lets 2 or 3 > people easily maintain operation for the duration of the show. > > We have yard modules that attach to out main modules to provide more > switching opportunity. They are somewhat outside the standards but connect > to modules that are to standards. We run both scale and hirail on code 148 > AM track. If we were building new modules now we would probably use code > 125. Our biggest problem is maintaining critical mass of manpower to set up > and take down the layout for 1 day local train shows. It takes a minimum of > 4-5 people. > > > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33144	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: Can motor in a Franklin

If you are using Timko's flywheel can motor, he has a bracket already made for this conversion... Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33145	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Adventures in Junk collecting

Being new and low budget to Flyer (but a model railroader for fifty years)I have limited my locomotive purchases to under $100. so far. This means trains shows and flea markets. About a month ago I picked up a 302AC Atlantic which had laid in a damp basement for years for $20. Got a used motor and e-unit at the hobby shop and made it live again. Total cost $75. and some learning. Last week at the flea market I found a Hudson in BAD shape. No loco trailing truck, tender trucks, stuck e-unit(had some kind of fuzz growing out of it), smoke unit/choo-choo housing full of cracks, and a custom paint job including "flame" decals...$10.! Got it running, but e-unit stll balky. Tried using Walthers Goo to fill in the cracks in the smoke/choo-choo housing. This one is going to take alot of work to bring back to life. From a friend I got a scruffy 283 Pacific that needed work for $65. and am working on that. Decided to try a DC can motor from Portlines. Works great! No tube sticking up out of smoke unit so I used Goo to put Plastruct tubing down the stack. Evidently I didn't get a good seal to the top of the smoke unit, but stumbled on interesting smoke effect of "steam" coming out of cylinders as well as smoke out the stack! That's all for now....more adventures later. Stumpy Stone in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33146	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2480

Hi Vic, Contact me offline and I will describe the conversion on my Franklin. It has a new bracket assembly also. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33147	From: mopar440satellite	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: New to S-gauge, need some help starting out.

Hello everyone, I'm new to the newsgroup and to S-gauge trains. I'm 30 and havent messed with trains too much since I was young although my Step Father has a large HO layout. I deceided to start putting together an S-Scale layout mainly due to my love of Matchbox/ HotWheels type 1:64 cars so I'm planning a layout with cars and trains being equally important. So I figure I'd start by getting a small set together to run aroung the Christmas tree and expand in next year when I start building a layout. Seing as I'm new to S-gauge I'm gonna need a little help. I just bought an American flyer steamer # 21084 in like new condition which soposidly has the whistle tender. I bought the engine and a couple cars so far but thats it, I still need to get some track and a transformer. So here are my questions to start out with hopefully someone can help. 1: Do I have to get a old used American Flyer transformer or can I use a newer unit, if so whats a good starter transformer, that will work with a smaller layout? Also if it does have a whistle tender how does that get controled? 2: I've seen sites selling new cars and track like American Modelers and S-Helper but for the cars they have a choice of "High Rail" or " Scale", what does this mean and whats the diference? What would my AF 21084 be considered? Just want to make sure everything I get will work together. 3: As far as track is conserned, I see a few diferent choices in new track, are they all useable with my engine? Are any beter that others or is it just a metter of taste? Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me out and get me going, I Will leave off with these for now. I did a search and couldnt answer these, probably because its all common knowledge to everyone on this forum, ohh well you have to start somewere I quess. Thanks. Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33148	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 28, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33149	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: for sale or trade list Number 2

Evening all, List one went so well thought I would try once more with this list.. 3 947 NP reefers, one very good no brake wheel, one very good with brake wheel one truck is repaired, weak factory paint on ends, one no data on one side, part of the roof had been painted boxcar red down on to the side's top edge, and one truck has been repaired on both sideframes. all three $60 7 1/3 PRR gondola shells, several, ok 6 are missing a step or so, one has all the steps and the side is cracked and the 1/3 well it has a broken section out of one side, but the other side is pretty nice, I mean what is there is prett3y nice...one has trucks but no couplers, and one of those trucks has the coupler mount broken or cut off, but the trucks are nice, you know what is there is nice...$15.00 3 American Models hirail Reading Blue coal triple hoppers $100 New in box 1 American Models F40PH shell only Amtrak 398 $45 New will put in box 1 set 4 resin side frames that make the American Models Baldwin look more like a switcher by getting rid of the GE road truck sideframes....they don't change the wheel base but the sideframe was extended to fit the truck. $6 1 Lionel 6-12778 Conrail tractor Trailer from 1990 production new in box $20 1 AF Alco A unit dummy frame and wheels, no side frames, has horn and diesel roar, I think this came out of the UP dummy unit....the wiring is good except the 2 inch piece from the roar unit to the rear truck pin, the insulation is breaking up used very little cause the shell went to another powered unit years ago...$45 Thanks for looking and thanks to all that took part in list #1. Still interested in three Chevy Vegas from Lindberg and still need one more AF GP-7 shell with a good long hood. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33150	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: sale list correction

Sorry about this, The more I think about it I think the UP dummy had a bell in it, so the chassis is not from the UP more likely a blue and yellow Santa Fe , still the useage is the same very little... Gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33151	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: Re: New to S-gauge, need some help starting out.

Hi Butch: Welcome to S-Gauge! You'll find a lot of good information here and elsewhere on the web. Be sure to check out Paul York's website and all the links there as well as the NASG website and all the links there. As to your new trains. My Greenberg's guide to Flyer lists the 21084 as an uncataloged engine. It should have a tender with a "Chicago / Northwestern / Line" herald and the words "American Flyer Lines" as well. The tender should be a black plastic painted unit with the four position reverse unit inside. A lever should protrude from the bottom of the tender. This allows you to lock the reverse unit in one of three positions, forward, neutral, reverse. It could very well have a whistle in the tender, but it doesn't look like it was made that way. Open up the tender a take a look. No speaker, no whistle. On your questions: 1. If the engine is original, it is an open frame universal motor. This means you can see the armature when you turn the engine over and look at the motor. "Can" motors are sealed and are used in most modern train equipment. Universal motors can run on AC or DC current. Any transformer with a maximum voltage in the 15-20 volt range will work with original Flyer stuff. You can buy a new one or hit the shows, e-bay, or other source and get a used one. If you buy used, have it tested or demonstrated to you before you buy. Take a VOM with you to check it out. You don't need more than 70-100 watts to run a small oval of track. It really depends on how many lighted cars and how many accessories you will also be running. 2. Original Flyer is considered "tin plate" or "high rail". The term used varies with whom you are speaking. Either way, one difference between scale and hi-rail is the height of the flanges on the wheels. Scale flanges are smaller. Hi rail equipment will not run on scale track. The flanges will ride on the ties. You can use K-Line, original Flyer, Gargraves, American Models, S-Helper and American S- Gauge track, among others, with Flyer equipment. S-helper and American Models rolling stock and engines both can come equipped with either type of wheels. S-helper usually supplies both sets and American Models usually has you specify which you want. If you are going to run your Flyer, spec Hi-Rail. 3. See item 2 and yes, it's a matter of taste, appearance, durability, range of equipment, and price. It'd be good to go to a hobby or show and look at some track before you buy. Or, by a few pieces of each to check it out before you buy a quantity. What you use is affected in large part by how you intend to use the trains. Nuff for now. Get a copy of Greenberg's "AMerican Flyer S Guage Vol I, Motive Power and Rolling Stock" so you can see what's out there in S and what it originally looked like. Then get a copy of the K- Line produced repair manual. Be sure your stuff is lubed when you run it. Doesn't take much, just don't run 'em dry. Have fun and let us know how you're doing. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33152	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/28/2004
Subject: trade up date

The 947 reefers are gone... gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33153	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: LocoMatic

Anyone have a SHS Locomatic sound controller at a wonderful price? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33154	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Re: trade up date

Diesel chassis is now gone. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] trade up date > > > The 947 reefers are gone... > > gale hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33155	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Polar Express Wallpaper

Sorry if I am a little off topic folks, but this is way too good to not share with train lovers. I am looking at my computer desktop with wonderful wallpaper of a steam engine and a boy in a snowstorm, and it is free. :) Here is the link! http://polarexpressmovie.warnerbros.com/downloads_wallpapers.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33156	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: Re: Polar Express Wallpaper

Hi Chuck, I loaded the screen saver. We will see if it comes on when I am off the computer for 40 minutes. We saw the movie on Saturday. Pretty far fetched with the train running on ice and no tracks or down hills like a roller coaster. Beautiful animation and the engine was a Berkshire, that we don't have in S. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Polar Express Wallpaper > Sorry if I am a little off topic folks, but this is way too good to not > share with train lovers. I am looking at my computer desktop with > wonderful wallpaper of a steam engine and a boy in a snowstorm, and it > is free. :) > > Here is the link! > > http://polarexpressmovie.warnerbros.com/downloads_wallpapers.html > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33157	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/29/2004
Subject: What ever happened to our "Stuff 4 Sale" list Paul ???

We had a list and link where postings of stuff 4 Sale last year..It was used a few times and now we seem to be back to the old ways of listing on this board ...Not that it matters ...but what happened to that list..????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33158	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Amercan Flyer parts

Can anyone help this person from the TCA list, as his email address is below too. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Taylor" <tayco.trains@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: [toytrains] Amercan Flyer parts > > > Hello > I helped a guy I work with get a old > American Flyer S gauge set up and running this weekend > for use around the Xmas tree. > I was wondering is there anybody that sells a > repro roof for the shed thats on the Sam the semaphore man > accessory. > Thanks > Bob Taylor > > > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33159	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: Lionel Gondola

I cut the sides off a Lionel Gondola and used the metal Permabilt ends that I found. It work out well, but it is still not done. I'll look for it and try and take a picture in the coming weeks. Left my camera in Chicago yesterday. I use Permabilt ends to replace broken Lionel o27 double door box cars. It fits right over the holes or damaged ends. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33160	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: More Junk Collecting Adventures

Like Mr. Stumpy, I am also new to Flyer and working on a tight budget. I am also a long term modeler (40+ years). I spent too many years in How Ordinary, Oversized, and Nothing to talk about. I prize the Flyer bargains I am able to find and enjoy working on them to get them running again. About 6 weeks ago I hit the jackpot for a junk collector. I have a friend who collects Lionel and MTH and is building a layout. I traded about 50 sections of used Gargraves Phantom track and four cars for a Flyer collection he had. I got 12 locomotives including a 310, 2 ea 312s, a 282, a 283, and 2 ea 356s; over 40 cars; two transformers (17B and 18B); and over 200 sections of track. Added to the few items I already had plus a few recent purchases on Ebay, I am well on my way to having enough equipment to build an interesting operating layout. This is a joint effort with my wife. (How truly blessed I am.) Her interests are scenery building and operating cars and accessories. She has acquired a sawmill, coal loader, and two operating cars (Lionel to convert to S). I am in the process of cleaning and restoring the locos to operating condition and cleaning the cars. So far I have five of the locomotives running again. It amazes me that these old toys can be brought back to operating condition with so little effort. Mostly all I have had to do is clean and lubricate. I find a wire wheel in a Dremel tool to be indespensible for polishing wheels, cleaning e-unit drums, and cleaning commutators on the motors. Denatured alcohol and pipe cleaners work wonders for removing old grease and for cleaning brush holders. I still have to learn how to replace Pullmore tires and a good way of cleaning the accumulated gunk and dirt from body shells. I spend a lot of time reviewing the posts from this group and have learned much. Thanks to all for sharing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33161	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/30/2004
Subject: NASG Website Award

Hi Folks The votes are coming in for the NASG's Josh Seltzer website award. So please add your vote. Go to your favorite S website of any kind, look for the Josh Seltzer award button and click. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33162	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: for sale

hi, just picked up some extra stuff today and selling off some of it, boxes #700 straight track, needs cleaned $20 boxes #702 curved , needs cleaned, $5 green bumpers $15 90 degree crossing $3 switches $40 manual switches $10 uncouples $1 track locks $2 the track is tarnished, and some have minor surface rust but overall in good shape, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33163	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Replacing PulMore Wheels

<lynnshouse2000 <lynnshouse2000@...> wrote: < <I still have to learn how to replace Pullmore tires... I strongly recommend replacing the rims rather than the tires. Most of the replacement tires are too thick or just do not last. Doug Peck and I both carry repro PulMor rims that fit all of the full-size AF steamers as well as repro PulMor wheels for Alco PAs and GPs. These are: JTR-706 PulMore Rim (for steamer) $7.95 JTR-707 PulMore Wheel (for diesel) $21.95 pair Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33164	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: for sale

hi,also i have rerailers ine the box = $20, loose $15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] for sale > > > hi, just picked up some extra stuff today and selling off some of it, > boxes #700 straight track, needs cleaned $20 > boxes #702 curved , needs cleaned, $5 > green bumpers $15 > 90 degree crossing $3 > switches $40 > manual switches $10 > uncouples $1 > track locks $2 > the track is tarnished, and some have minor surface rust but overall in good shape, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33165	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: UP Items Wanted

Anyone have a Union Pacific 21925 or 21925-1 Alco shell for sale? I'm also looking for UP passenger cars. These items could be VG- to G condition. I don't mind if they may need skirts or corners repaired. Please contact me at mcwb@.... Thanks, Bobby Bryan, Jr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33166	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: UP Items Wanted

I have the four car UP pass. set in the orig. boxes for sale.  Three boxes are 8/9 and the vista dome box is a 10.  Vista dome car is a E+ and the other three cars are mint.  Contact me off group for further info. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33167	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Amercan Flyer parts

Mike, Done, already! He should be doin' fine by now. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33168	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: File - Email rules.txt

In view of our recent issues, I am just repeating the monthly posting from the NASG list. I like these rules. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: 1 Dec 2004 16:43:04 -0000 From: nasgmembers Subject: File - Email rules.txt Guidelines for Courteous & Successful Use of Electronic Mail in this Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Include a Specific & Clear Subject line on your message. Appear literate! Review your message for incorrect spelling & incorrect grammar before sending your message. Always make sure your personal computer has a Virus Protection utility and that it's virus definitions are up to date. (Norton AntiVirus is an excellent choice if you need one!) Do not curse or flame at someone (it will not be tolerated on this group!) Do not send spam or chain letters to the list (it will also not be tolerated on this group!) The discussion on this group is topics related to the NASG. If you want to send messages on another topic, find an appropriate group. Please do not use all capital letters in a message -- in email it indicates you're shouting at someone, which is not polite. Please do not send messages about virus warnings to the list -- most are hoaxes. If you need assistance, please email the list owner directly at: nasgmembers-owner@yahoogroups.com Engage your mind before sending your message. Just because you are writing something in jest, or with a smile on your face, does not mean the receiver may read it that way. Also please remember that cultural and/or language differences may cause a local expression in your environment to not mean the same thing to another reader. If in doubt, save your message as a draft overnight, and then review it again the next morning to see if it is appropriate to send. If you receive messages from this group in digest mode, please edit down the text before sending your reply, to just include the relevant sections. Attachments to messages are not allowed on this group. You can post to the Files or Photos areas if you join the Group with your Yahoo ID. We also recommend that you do not open attachments to messages you receive if you do not know the sender and/or were not expecting the attachment. This will help reduce the spread of viruses in messages. Announcements, For Sale and/or Advertisements in messages are acceptable in this group as long as they are related to the NASG and/or S scale model railroading. Other items are not acceptable without permission of the moderator IN ADVANCE. If in doubt ask first (nasgmembers-owner@yahoogroups.com). One strike and you're out on this one! Frequent abusers of one or more of these rules may be banned from the group. The Moderator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33169	From: esetterman	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: af engine wrapper etc,

ok gang ,maybe some of you have the answers? Quality exact engine wrap replacement wraps ,are not available that i know of.the ones on the market are much much to stiff-does anyone have a source? why is it so hard to find the same exact material?i,m sure gilbert wasnt the only company to use this wrap.some af -471 b units (perhaps some485 ), have a on-off switch--does anyone know the history behind them? were they on early units or latter ones or did gilbert mix then up in both early and late b-units? 312ac engines came with either a die cast trailing truck or one piece trailing truck-was one type earlier than the other or did gilbert mix them up? many af diesels(etc)have decals that are not completely off or only somewhat damaged---at the train shows you can buy replacement decals- -but how do you go about removing the existing decals ?????? you have original gilbert pa's(both 3&5 digit),flyonel 1st generation pa,s ,and the latter can motor units-----which units run the best/hold up the best and why?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33170	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: af engine wrapper etc,

One problem we have is the wrappers have softened with age over the years...... But they were still soft back then.... Another problem I have found is getting the water based paper tape.... to cut in small pieces to fix flaps.... the water based dries and doesn't leave a sticky residue..... Need about 10 feet of about 2".... any ideas... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "esetterman" <esetterman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] af engine wrapper etc, > > > > ok gang ,maybe some of you have the answers? Quality exact engine > wrap replacement wraps ,are not available that i know of.the ones on > the market are much much to stiff-does anyone have a source? why is > it so hard to find the same exact material?i,m sure gilbert wasnt > the only company to use this wrap.some af -471 b units (perhaps > some485 ), have a on-off switch--does anyone know the history > behind them? were they on early units or latter ones or did > gilbert mix then up in both early and late b-units? 312ac engines > came with either a die cast trailing truck or one piece trailing > truck-was one type earlier than the other or did gilbert mix them up? > many af diesels(etc)have decals that are not completely off or only > somewhat damaged---at the train shows you can buy replacement decals- > -but how do you go about removing the existing decals ?????? you > have original gilbert pa's(both 3&5 digit),flyonel 1st generation > pa,s ,and the latter can motor units-----which units run the > best/hold up the best and why? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33171	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Installing DCC Sound in SHS MEC SW-9 Christmas Loco

The SoundTraxx Tsunami decoders won't be available in time for Christmas, so I decided to equip my new S Helper Service MEC SW-9 Christmas Loco with a SoundTraxx DSX/Digitrax DH163 combination. I took some pictures and documented the process, and posted it on the Showcase Line website: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSW9DCC.html Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33172	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: American Flyer or Scale

I wonder how many people on this list are strictly American Flyer and how many are strictly scale or some combination. Sometimes some of the questions that are asked get answers that might not really apply to the person asking it. It's like how many people are modelers as opposed to just operators. For those who just opperate American Flyer and don't do their own repairs or make anything, sometimes the answers could go beyond what they are able to do. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33173	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: laying curves

Michael A Scivoletti wrote: Okay guys & dolls, it seems I have to re-state my problem!!! I want to create a radius WITHOUT using a compass, rope and using a centering point? I just thought that there MIGHT be an easier way to make a curve of ANY radius without a X-length piece of bendable material. The plan was to make a large end in 30 degree sections that would be easy to move and setup and still produce a smooth curve. Michael, there is, though the reply for doing offsets was right on the money. Without going into the math here, I will refer you to NMRA Data Sheet D3b, Properties of Curves. This will show you how to lay out the offsets then you would use the bent stick. A variation, which uses the bent stick method also, is contained in NMRA Data Sheet D3c.1, Spiral Easements and Superelevation- Construction. This will allow you to apply the desired radius into a simple formula to determine the beginning and end of your curve then use the bent stick to draw your curve. While you're at it you might as well get NMRA Data Sheet D3c, Spiral Easements and Superelevation- General. Another fun one is: C=2RxSIN A/2 where C is the chord , R the radius and A is the angle in degrees (does anyone know how to get a degree sign in Outlook?), in you example it would be the SIN of 30. Maybe more to your application is: C=2 times the sq root of 2yR-y squared, where y is the height of your radius at the mid point of the chord. y is really an offset. If anyone knows how to do math formulas in Outlook or Word, please let me know. It would make this a lot easier. Tom Stoltz NASG Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33174	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Live auctions

Has anyone ever participated in the live eBay Auctions run by Ralston? I see there are a few things that might be worth bidding on. Thanks! Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33176	From: Phil K	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Engine wraps and tape

I bought three HUGE rolls of corrugated cardboard (18-inch and 24- inch) and two cases of Kraft brown-colored water-activated paper tape (one with the fiber reinforcing threads, one without) awhile back from an old box company going out of business. (I even bought a tape dispenser, too.) The tape can be used for engine wraps or to restore original Flyer set boxes. The corrugated cardboard is "soft" -- as it came in 250-foot rolls and is the closest thing to the Flyer wraps I have seen. Unfortunately, I could not find any of the gun-metal gray wrap material used in certain Flyer applications. Have more than what I need and am willing to sell whatever quantities you desire. Contact me off-line if interested. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33177	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: Live auctions

Gene.... I have gotten several items from Stout auctions.... kinda slacking off of these now due to the extra 17% they add to the price..... IE... you bid 1000... you pay 1170.00.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Live auctions > > > Has anyone ever participated in the live eBay Auctions run by Ralston? I > see there are a few things that might be worth bidding on. > > Thanks! > > Gene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33178	From: stepdad56	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: Live auctions

I have. You need to pre register ahead of time or you may not get in. You also need to be sitting there waiting for your specific items to come up or they'll be gone before you know it. Lastly, you need to be very fast clicking the mouse. I've lost many an auction because they move way too fast and my bids were accepted and acknowledged by the E-Bay Auction page then the auction ends without my bid being entered. Stouts is bad with this and I've complained to Greg about it, but it didn't change last auction. He ended up losing money for himself and his client. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Knight, Gene" <knight@c...> wrote: > > Has anyone ever participated in the live eBay Auctions run by Ralston? I > see there are a few things that might be worth bidding on. > > Thanks! > > Gene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33179	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re;American Flyer or scale?

I'm neither of the above, more of a Hi-railer. I use AF steam locos and cars, and S-Helper and American Models cars. I've been a model railroader for many years and am able to kit bash and scratchbuild rolling stock and structures if necessary. However, aging eyesight and dwindling patience with stuff derailing and coming uncoupled has led me here. After two heart attacks, a bout of kidney failure, and diabetes, I've decided not to take things too seriously and just have fun with trains. I've been dabling in On30 which is about the same proportions as S and that led me here. So I'm not a collector or a scaler, I just play with trains! Stumpy Stone...54 year old kid in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33180	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale

I think you will find that a lot of us are into more than one gauge and/or scale. I had Flyer,Lionel and Marx as a kid and HO as an older kid [12]. I find that if I liked as a kid I still like it as an old buzzard.I still want the Austin Healey I saw in '59!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33181	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Flyer or scale

Well after being a Gilbert guy for decades I've given up on it, I now only buy SHS,AM, Flyonel, and commemorative cars and engines. Better running, a lot more colorful and a heck of a lot cheaper.Oh I still have a lot of Gilbert that's special for one reason or another but do not buy any at all. Still have lots of Gilbert for sale also. Ed in Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33182	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale

Hi Joe, For 15 years I have been moving away from Gilbert and more toward a protype Hi-Rail layout. I use Gargraves track and Flyer switches. I have been buying more S-Helper and American Models products and displaying the Gilbert products. I enjoy all the questions to this list but this list is not representative of the scale model railroaders. They have their own list and viewpoints. Glenn From: "Joseph Higgins" <joehigg@...> > > I wonder how many people on this list are strictly American Flyer > and how many are strictly scale or some combination. > > Sometimes some of the questions that are asked get answers that > might not really apply to the person asking it. > > It's like how many people are modelers as opposed to just operators. > > For those who just opperate American Flyer and don't do their own > repairs or make anything, sometimes the answers could go beyond what > they are able to do. > > Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/3/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33184	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: SHS 2005 catalog

We shipped our catalog out on Thursday. We are trying a new method of mailing out catalogs and would like to hear from those who have ordered catalogs when the get them. Best regards, Don PS Catalogs can be ordered online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33185	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: American Flyer or Scale

From: "Glenn Ritter" I enjoy all the questions to this list but this list is not representative of the scale model railroaders. They have their own list and viewpoints. I agree with Glenn and I must apologize for the post about laying curves--that was for the scale list. From the responses here, it seems there is a general trend toward Hi-rail while retaining the Flyer. I, too, have been gravitating toward the equipment from AM and SHS. For my Flyer, some I change the trucks to SHS trucks and some to the new metal wheels from SHS, leaving the original ACG truck. Most engines I convert to DC operation and a few to the can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS. If you want a real treat, try one of their can motors--they come AC also. Track, I use code 148 flex from AM and now make my own turnouts and crossings (I also offer them for sale). I just made my first double slip switch, but haven't put it through the test course yet. For couplers, I prefer Flyer link, however on the AM & SHS, I use Kadee #5's--go figure. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33186	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Micro Layouts anyone?

Has anyone looked into building a Micro Layout in S gauge? (In case you don't know what a Micro Layout is, take a look at http://carendt.com/ the Micro Layout site.) I'm told the All Aboard sections were 15" radius. Does anyone know what the actual minimum curve radius is for regular S gauge rolling stock? I know you can go very sharp with a trolley or four wheel loco and scratchbuilt cars, but I'm wondering about the regular stuff from American Flyer, Flyonel, S-Helper, or American Models. The reason I'm asking is that I've built several of these in On30 to take to train shows to show off that scale/gauge and thought the same thing could be useful to promote S gauge. Micro Layouts are quick and cheap to build, transport, and store, need only yourself to have a complete layout, and are real eye catchers at shows. As far as I know, no one has done this in S gauge yet. Stumpy Stone...the modeler the rivet counters warned you about in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33187	From: Bill Cochran	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: LAYOUT SOURCES

I have searched the posts and have not found any sources for layout plans. I want to get back into hi-rail and am looking to build a 4 x 8 layout. I hope the group has some ideas. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33188	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2486

> I wonder how many people on this list are strictly American Flyer > and how many are strictly scale or some combination. > > Sometimes some of the questions that are asked get answers that > might not really apply to the person asking it. > > It's like how many people are modelers as opposed to just operators. > > For those who just operate American Flyer and don't do their own > repairs or make anything, sometimes the answers could go beyond what > they are able to do. > My first train is an 1932 American Flyer, which I run occasionally. I have 4 operating layouts N, Marklin HO, S, and O, + some G arden. I was a LIONEL repair station in the mid 50' #313. Walked all of the abandon narrow gauge around Colorado. Build half of my equipment from scratch. "JUST LOVE TRAINS" big and small. Retired from Coors brewing Co. where I was involved designed many of the rail facilities, Coors has 7 locomotives, several miles of track, a maze of switches and transfer tables that move the rail cars to the building for loading and provides a thru rail to switch loaded cars from the plant. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Micro Layouts anyone?

I think MY layouts are about as "micro" as one can get!!! ;^)> http://s-scale.org/albums/album31 Even my Christmas layout around the tree this year will be condensed to a 46"x 54" board, and not on the floor as in the past. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8

****((((I have searched the posts and have not found any sources for layout plans. I want to get back into hi-rail and am looking to build a 4 x 8 layout. I hope the group has some ideas. Thanks, Bill ))))**** Bill, Here's what I did on a 4x8 board. http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/4x8_layout Pretty simple layout. I could run a train, while one was sitting on the inside loop. Two manual switches were in front of me....I could throw a switch, back a train out, throw some more switches and pull the other train off the outer loop, unto the smaller inside loop. (I ran one train counter-clockwise & the other clockwise) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33191	From: starr007	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive

Greetings, I just purchased a Lionel HO set of 2 a units with Railscope and am thinking about adapting them to a AF PA unit! Does anybody know what all you have to have to make these units work! Thanks in advance, Sincerely, James Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33192	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES

There was a post by Thor a while back about track plans. If you use the search in Yahoo groups you have to keep clicking NEXT to search the next previous 100 messages or so. To go back all the way to the early days takes over 300 clicks. Here is the link to Thor's 4x8 S-Gauge layout web page: http://www.thortrains.net/sgauge/splan48a.html Bill Cochran <wcochran2002@...> wrote: I have searched the posts and have not found any sources for layout plans. I want to get back into hi-rail and am looking to build a 4 x 8 layout. I hope the group has some ideas. Thanks, Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33193	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8

****(((((Two manual switches were in front of me....I could throw a switch, back a train out, throw some more switches and pull the other train off the outer loop, unto the smaller inside loop. (I ran one train counter-clockwise & the other clockwise))))***** I forgot to mention,.....I had to also put the engines into neutral. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33194	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: A&W

I'm building the Port Lines A&W drive-in. I would like to add more detail to it that is included in the kit. Can anybody provide info about the interior of an A&W (or other) drive in? Please reply off-list, thanks. I'll compile answers that I get and post them. -- Ted Larson http://www.frontiernet.net/~mhrreast/car/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33195	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: LAYOUT SOURCES 4x8

Hi Rick Try the following two websites http://www.thortrains.net/flyrlay1.htm http://www.thortrains.net/sgauge/sglaydex.html John At 14:16 12/4/2004, Rick Evans wrote: >****((((I have searched the posts and have not found any sources for layout >plans. I want to get back into hi-rail and am looking to build a 4 x >8 layout. I hope the group has some ideas. Thanks, Bill ))))**** > >Bill, >Here's what I did on a 4x8 board. >http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/4x8_layout >Pretty simple layout. I could run a train, while one was sitting on the >inside loop. >Two manual switches were in front of me....I could throw a switch, back a >train out, >throw some more switches and pull the other train off the outer loop, unto the >smaller inside loop. (I ran one train counter-clockwise & the other clockwise) > >Rick. > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33196	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Layouts

Evening, If at all possible in your layout planning and you can get the extra room, go to a 5x9, it makes a world of difference of what you can do on that surface. Model Railroaders out of the 50's have some excellent plans for the 4x8 and 5x9 layouts... Or take a 4 x 8 and split it to make a 2x16 and do some operating with a GP or a Switcher and a bunch of industrial sidings.. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33197	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive

Take a look at some of the newer TV systems.... I got 1 at York in color for under 100... now I think they are much less.... and they are very small... would fit easily in "S".... N can be done... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "starr007" <starr007@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive > > > Greetings, I just purchased a Lionel HO set of 2 a units with Railscope and am thinking about adapting them to a AF PA unit! Does anybody know what all you have to have to make these units work! Thanks in advance, Sincerely, James Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive

James, You need the receiver board if it did not come with one. Lionel used to have them in a set with the camera board part number 603-3094-000 but no longer lists them. I added Railscope to an AF PA with limited success. They are Black and White and break up quite a bit but at the time it was all there was. The receiver connects to the track and has a RF Ch3 out for a TV. The signal travels down the track and needs .01 bypass caps accross any gaps in the track for power blocks etc. to pass the RF to the receiver. Here is a link to my Loco. http://www.tuveson.com/Camera-in-the-nose.htm I found an X-10 camera does a much better job. http://www.tuveson.com/traincam/train_cam.htm And now there are proabaly even better ones than the X-10. Carl -----Original Message----- From: starr007 [mailto:starr007@...] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:34 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive Greetings, I just purchased a Lionel HO set of 2 a units with Railscope and am thinking about adapting them to a AF PA unit! Does anybody know what all you have to have to make these units work! Thanks in advance, Sincerely, James Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33199	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 12/4/2004
Subject: 4-4-0 Franklin

Hi, I recently picked up a 4-4-0 Frankliln "88" at a swap meet. While it puffs out lots of smoke the "choo-choo" sound can hardly be heard. Any help out there? Thanks in advance. Wayne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33200	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin

***(((I recently picked up a 4-4-0 Frankliln "88" at a swap meet. While it puffs out lots of smoke the "choo-choo" sound can hardly be heard. Any help out there? Thanks in advance. )))**** Wayne, I believe the smoke unit and the piston chugger-thingie, are from Gilbert's HO engines..... I'll be corrected, I'm sure, Ifn' I'm wrong! Sooooo, I've been told the smoke and "chugga-chugga-choo-choo" sound won't be the same as the larger "S" ones. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33201	From: doug	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive

Check out: www.wirelessmicrocolorcam.com Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33202	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin

***((((I recently picked up a 4-4-0 Frankliln "88" at a swap meet. While it puffs out lots of smoke the "choo-choo" sound can hardly be heard. Any help out there? Thanks in advance.)))**** Wayne,... I forgot to mention that the Franklin's seem to be noisy engines,...that also tends to drown out the choo-choo sound. I still wonder why it's called "choo-choo" !! Seems it should be "Chug-chug" ! :^)> Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33203	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Friday Post question. the missing link?

Someone posted the web address http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/results/detail.do?pnum=P04119 It was the NYC number 999 at Chicago RR Fair in 1948. That has to be the prototype to the AF Pikemaster stream engine. At first I thought the Prototype was the Cassy Jones 4-6-2. Since I wanted to see if this engine could be detailed. this might be the way it should look. Maybe the AF engine is more accurate then we give it credit for. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33204	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Wireless Color Mini-Cams

Hi All, I bought a wireless color mini-cam complete with 2 AC adapters on eBay for $20. It has a camera about the size of a quarter that runs on a 9V battery or an AC adapter. For temporary use I mounted the camera on sheet of balsa wood on top of a hopper car and put the battery in the hopper car. It sends a super nice video signal. To check the range of the transmitter I took the RF modulator and hooked it to a TV in a second floor bedroom and ran the train around the layout in the basement. The picture was perfect. I've seen the same type cameras at train shows costing over $80 without the AC adapters that came with my $20 system. A plan to take a Casey Jones steam engine and modify the boiler shell to carry the camera and then mount the 9V battery in the tender. I haven't decided whether to mount the camera dead center in the front of the boiler or to mount it in the cabin for an engineer eye's view. I think the cabin would be the most realistic, but will also be the most difficult. If you are interested in looking at wireless color cameras, go to eBay and enter "wireless nanny cam" or "wireless spy cam" in any search window. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33205	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Layout sources

To: Bill Cochran <wcochran2002@...> Subject: LAYOUT SOURCES I have searched the posts and have not found any sources for layout plans. I want to get back into hi-rail and am looking to build a 4 x 8 layout. I hope the group has some ideas. Thanks, Bill First to mind, the Gilbert American Flyer "Instruction Book" pgs 68 & 69. This site has a number of ideas using different track systems: http://www.thortrains.net/sgauge/sglay5.html This site has several links to different layouts you might emulate. http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Layout-SO.html You might adopt one old tried and true strategy which is to dump all your track, trestle and switches on the board and see what you come up with. Shucks, I've built some fine ones that way!! :-) Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33206	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2487

Message: 8 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:34:26 -0600 From: "starr007" <starr007@...> Subject: Lionel Railscope HO Locomotive Greetings, I just purchased a Lionel HO set of 2 a units with Railscope and am thinking about adapting them to a AF PA unit! Does anybody know what all you have to have to make these units work! Thanks in advance, Sincerely, James Starr Funny, I just looked at the idea. Here's the web site and the guy to ask. http://www.tuveson.com/ Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33207	From: John G	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Accessory Green Paint

I needed to repaint my whistle, so I went to the local ACE hardware store and found a very good paint match. I used Pratt & Lambert paint chip # 1498 (code name "Blarney Flatterie). Cost $12 for a quart of gloss enamel. I thinned it with about 50% paint thinner which made it air brush on very nicely. I primed the whistle prior to air brushing. Since a quart is way more than I will ever use for Flyer touch up, I'm trying to convince my darling wife that we should paint the baseboards accessory green! John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33208	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Amazing Sales Record

As you guys were my first friends and customers in this hobby(the reason I originally sponsored this group[), I just have to tell you guys about the month of November. My sales of primarily vintage American Flyer goodies amounted to $21,489. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was a $5,000 show in Atlanta but the rest came from my little old website http://www.americanflyertrains.com . Who'd a thunk it possible? Not bad for something the hobby shops don''t think there is a market for..............Not bad for website marketing! Anyway, thanks to all and the best of the holiday season. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33209	From: T Larson	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: UPS

If you had UPS service in the era and area that you model, here you can see vehicles that might be appropriate for your layout. http://spiritcatalogue.com/store/category.asp?catID=33&dptID=13 http://www.ups.com/content/corp/about/history/index.html -- Ted Larson http://www.frontiernet.net/~mhrreast/car/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33210	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: MTH for S scale?

I've been working at G&M Train & Hobby in Martins Ferry on Sundays. We carry alot of MTH stuff which is O scale, three rail. I spent a little time checking things out with my S scale ruler: #30-1087 Road Sign Set (2 of each sign) $14.95 Railroad Crossbucks are 2" tall,(in fact ALL the signs are 2" tall, cut them down.) #30-11016 Passenger Figure Set-Passenger #1 (12 figures)$29.95 All 12 figures are S scale size. These are made to put inside the MTH Doodlebug which has very tiny space for passengers. #30-9097 Elevated Gate Tower (lighted) $24.95 This is 5 3/4" tall with no "man door", it's entered from below by ladder. #30-90004 Country Freight Station (lighted)$34.95 This has cargo doors only, one on each side and is 5" tall. #30-90100 Tool Shed (lighted) $29.95 One under scale "man door" one cargo door. There are also three "3 Story Town Houses" and two "3 Story City Buildings" which are a bit small with under scale doors. The "Grainery" and "Feed Store" look usable too. MTH also has a pair of "Generators" which would work as car loads. Stumpy Stone...using the boss's time looking for S scale stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33211	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33212	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin

I have to concur with what Rick said. That little smoke unit doesn't have the sound qualities of the larger unit. The only way to get some real choo choo sound is to install a smoke-in-tender unit. Its a lot of work, but I did it a while back. Check it out here: http://s-scale.org/albums/album65 Steve Blancard Wayne Zebron wrote: >Hi, >I recently picked up a 4-4-0 Frankliln "88" at a swap meet. While it puffs out lots of smoke the "choo-choo" sound can hardly be heard. Any help out there? Thanks in advance. > >Wayne > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33213	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Greensboro, MD show

Just spent the last 2 days with my "S" gauge layout running trains at the Greensboro, MD Library's 5th annual train show. Each Gauge is represented by a layout. This year we had "S", Standard, "HO"(2), "N", "O-27", and "O"(2) layouts. The show draws over 600 people. Lot of kids. The kids like the new stuff and the older parents like the American Flyer steam. I put a some photos up at http://s-scale.org/albums/album04 of my layout. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33214	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: K-Line caboose

picked up a K-Line bay window caboose at the Springfield OH train show today. seems to be a tad big for S.i think it's prototype is B&O.anyone have any thoughts or input on this? i thought about repainting it for NYC as they had b/w cabeese. Jerry P.S. the Franklin I'm running under the Christmas tree sounds like a coffee grinder and smokes like a nickel cigar. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Franklin loco

Jerry wrote: """ the Franklin I'm running under the Christmas tree sounds like a coffee grinder and smokes like a nickel cigar."""" Yep, sounds like mine!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33216	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/5/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line caboose

Jerry wrote: >picked up a K-Line bay window caboose at the Springfield OH train >show today. seems to be a tad big for S. have any thoughts or input >on this? You're right, it is too big for S. K-Line used the old tooling from Marx's "Deluxe" line for their S gauge cars, all of which are too wide. The caboose is one of the widest. I looked them over years ago when when I was converting lots of stuff from O, and decided that the bay window caboose was just to much off scale, even for my non- rivet-counting moods. Ironically, Marx DID make lots of rolling stock in plastic or metal that is the right width for S. Their offset cupola caboose is larger than a Gilbert Reading caboose, but its doors are the same height, just right for your 1/64 crews. Marx's cast-in door boxcars, bathtub gons, and stockcars are great for S. These all come from the "medium class" cars (per Greenberg). Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33217	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin loco

The coffee grinder effect can be significantly reduced by installing a can motor. On the 2 I have done, one is quiet as a mouse and you can actually hear the chuff-chuff of the smoke unit. The second one is a little noisier, I suspect due to more chassis wear. It also has the SIT unit that makes enough noise to mask other sounds. Steve Quoting Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>: > > > Jerry wrote: """ the Franklin I'm running under the Christmas tree > sounds like a coffee grinder and smokes like a nickel cigar."""" > > Yep, sounds like mine!!! > > Rick. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33218	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: K-Line caboose

I have one of the K-Line bay window cabeese and it hits my passenger stations and anything else close to the track. I'll probably try to kitbash it into something that doesn't hit my stations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33219	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: 4-4-0 Franklin

I tried sending this once and it crashed, so trying again. Working headlamps? = Yes Both my custom Franklins have working headlamps. Look closely at the photos in these lnks: http://s-scale.org/albums/album65 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Custom%20Franklin%20Project/ The red Franklin uses a white metal casting with an amber LED inside. The lense is made by pouring clear epoxy over the LED. The blue Franklin uses a headlamp box and fancy mountings scrounged from a pre war AF O gauge junker loco. It uses an incandescent bulb. The red Frnaklin also has a working red lantern on the tender. This was made using an AF handcar lantern drilled out for a mini bulb. Steve Blancard Quoting Katie McWilliam <kmcwilliam@...>: > Not to change the subject, but has anyone installed a light in the Franklin? > Thanks, Chay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-4-0 Franklin > > > > > > > > I have to concur with what Rick said. That little smoke unit doesn't > > have the sound qualities of the larger unit. The only way to get some > > real choo choo sound is to install a smoke-in-tender unit. Its a lot of > > work, but I did it a while back. Check it out here: > > > > http://s-scale.org/albums/album65 http://s-scale.org/albums/album65 > > > > Steve Blancard > > > > Wayne Zebron wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > >I recently picked up a 4-4-0 Frankliln "88" at a swap meet. While it > puffs out lots of smoke the "choo-choo" sound can hardly be heard. Any > help out there? Thanks in advance. > > > > > >Wayne > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33220	From: John Conant	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Wireless Color Mini-Cams

Bull, That sounds great? Do you know what the particular model/manufacturer it is that you bought? Regards, John ======================================================================= John Conant jconant@... Aerodyne Research, Inc. Billerica, MA 01821 When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands with the buttered side facing down. If you strap buttered toast to the back of a cat, the two will hover, spinning inches above the ground. With a giant buttered cat array, a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. ======================================================================= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33221	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Wireless Color Mini-Cams

Take a look at this..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11644&item=5941114382 &rd=1 ob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Conant" <jconant@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wireless Color Mini-Cams > > > Bull, > > That sounds great? Do you know what the particular > model/manufacturer it is that you bought? > > > Regards, > > John > > ======================================================================= > John Conant jconant@... > Aerodyne Research, Inc. Billerica, MA 01821 > > When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast > is dropped, it always lands with the buttered side facing down. If > you strap buttered toast to the back of a cat, the two will hover, > spinning inches above the ground. With a giant buttered cat array, > a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. > ======================================================================= > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33222	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Wireless Mini-cam

This is very similar to the mini-cam I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=43461&item=3858003861&rd=1 Mine was made in China and is in a pretty generic box with no manufacturer name. I might be able to find the name of the eBay seller somewhere in my files. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33223	From: Paul	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Train demo - Indiantown Florida

Anybody interested is welcome to join. (email me if your interested) Saturday Dec 11 3pm-5pm 2 loops of S-helper track, some log loading and similar stuff. I will have half dozen locos and switchers and will swap them out as needed. Would love to have some help if anyone would like to come. Indiantown Public Library Tel. (772) 597-4200 15200 Sw Adams Ave Indiantown, FL 34956-3432 http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=q4cdHep_0Tqhad3cCh6baoWJil3QkOiPDQ.vhfEz&csz=Indiantown%2C+fl&country=us&new=1&name=&qty= Map [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33224	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Amazind Sales Record

Mark, Glad things are going so well. Hope you can continue to get all those AF trains we want. Jim Schiele

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33225	From: Terry	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: Re: Reproduction set boxes...where to find them??

A few years ago I got a reproduction set box off of eBay. Does anyone know where I might find one today? I want to put together some Classic AF sets for my grandkids. BTW I am a new member and a long time AF lover and redcent collector. I will be building a layout this next year...my first in "S" scale. Looking forward to seeing the info the group provides and the help so graciously offered in your forums. Terry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33226	From: eastbroadtop2000	Date: 12/6/2004
Subject: American models hopper forsale

hello have one s-scale 1) american models 2bay ribed side hopper car# PRR 270386 car comes with trucks. car could also be used for on3 or on30 $20 or best offer also have one pair of trucks s scale trucks american models $5 or best offer I can send picture item any questions or interests contact me at LNE660@... All items are sold as is

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33227	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Santa's Deliveries - Mikado?

Is there any news of whether Lionel will be delivering the Mikado sets in time for dealers to get them delivered in time for Christmas? I see they are still scheduled for December while the handcars have been bumped to January. Santa and Mrs. Claus want to know. Alan Udy, RMHRS ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33228	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Da Ja Vous..Cameras...???

How soon we forget ...I have sold these cams for the past couple years ...when they first came out the were 3 xs the price now they are under a hundred ..I sold one to Paul for his Owl cam setup ...But remember they come in diff sizes ..if you want it for train purposes then you want the small sugur cube sized one ...I can provide anyone on this list for the same as advertised prices...Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33229	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Franklin Thread

While we're on the subject, my Franklin sparks like crazy at the joint on the drawbar. Can anyone lay out how and where that drawbar is supposed to be insulated from either the loco or tender side? The layout is beginning to look a lot like Christmas!!! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33230	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: S-Trains:re: Reproduction set boxes...where to find them??

SET-BOX: With "AC GILBERT Co" printing 24" x 11" x 7.25"; Label included. $30.00 ppd Specify "O" or "S" colored label; Shipped flat. SET-BOX: With "AC GILBERT Co" printing 20.5" x 11" x 4.75"; Label included. $30.00 ppd Specify "O" or "S" colored label;Shipped flat. Several years ago, there was a manufacturer of set-boxes that were identical in size and shape to every original set box.....very nicely done.....but those are history. Above are the only two "generic" repro AF set boxes still on the market, as far as I know. We have them both in stock. I too will be interested in knowing if there are additional sources of repro set boxes out there. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33231	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries - Was Mikado? - Now Handcars

This is the first I have heard of the delay in shipping of the handcars. Bad news for me as I ordered three for Christmas presents for 3 different cousins with young children. Guess I will have to find something else to add to the starter sets I previously gave them. Most of us know Lionel has made some big marketing goofs in the past. But failure to deliver products intended for the Christmas market is pretty major. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33232	From: lastman	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin Thread , REPAIR HELP

HI ALL , MAC on your loco you have one or both insulated bushings on the tender trucks bad and need to be replaced ,take off the tender body and ck for wobble ,etc .... you will need ; 1 rivet and 1 shouldered bushing per truck to fix this problem ............ the drawbar is not insulated , both the trucks are insulated also ck for a loose rim on the drive wheels as this can be a short accross the rails , super glue can be used to remount Enjoy The Holidays , Gino ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Franklin Thread > > > While we're on the subject, my Franklin sparks like crazy at the joint on > the drawbar. Can anyone lay out how and where that drawbar is supposed to be > insulated from either the loco or tender side? > > The layout is beginning to look a lot like Christmas!!! > > Mac > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33233	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries - Was Mikado? - Now Handcars

In a message dated 12/7/2004 11:19:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: Most of us know Lionel has made some big marketing goofs in the past. But failure to deliver products intended for the Christmas market is pretty major. Actually, the situation is not entirely in Lionel's hands. They have to deal with the queue in the Chinese factories, as do the other importers (i.e., what we used to call "manufacturers"). It seems that many items in either S or O by the majors are being delayed. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33234	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Franklin Thread

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Franklin Due to the use of the HO smoke unit ( It has only 1 wire as the unit is grounded ) on these engines ,the engine chassis & front tender truck & drawbar are hot electrically & the sparks that you see are from poor contact / normal ware on the drawbar & rivet one way to fix this is to add a ground wire from the front tender truck rivet to the engine chassis . While we're on the subject, my Franklin sparks like crazy at the joint on the drawbar. Can anyone lay out how and where that drawbar is supposed to be insulated from either the loco or tender side?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33235	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: Santa's Deliveries

It was explained to me that it was not Lionel's fault but of the manufacturer that suddenly bailed out on not only them, but other companies as well. That means finding another company along with everyone else....therefore backlogs and delays. I've got a Mikado coming myself and can't wait to get it in my hands. I saw the B&O Passenger set at York and it is awesome. Gene -----Original Message----- From: rbubeck327@... [mailto:rbubeck327@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:07 PM To: Tennsgauge@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Santa's Deliveries - Was Mikado? - Now Handcars In a message dated 12/7/2004 11:19:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: Most of us know Lionel has made some big marketing goofs in the past. But failure to deliver products intended for the Christmas market is pretty major. Actually, the situation is not entirely in Lionel's hands. They have to deal with the queue in the Chinese factories, as do the other importers (i.e., what we used to call "manufacturers"). It seems that many items in either S or O by the majors are being delayed. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33236	From: toymyb	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33237	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

SHS will make their's. toymyb <toymyb@...> wrote: Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? Thanks S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33238	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

In a message dated 12/7/2004 5:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, femiro2002@... writes: SHS will make their's. I am sure that both will be made. Gerry Calabreese on down has said to me that the AF steam engine is coming. The Lionel will be here first, but choose (if you must) on the basis of your needs and desires. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33239	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

In a message dated 12/7/2004 4:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, toymyb@... writes: Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? Thanks Not unless you desire a virtual review. <grin> Neither one is out yet. The SHS is a Consolidation while the Lionel AF is a Mikado, so the engine type may drive your choice because their prices are not too far apart. You may wish to consult the respective catalogs because the two engines do have different features and see how those features will fill your needs. I have held advance samples of both in my hands and I believe that both are going to be really nice. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33240	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

In a message dated 12/07/2004 2:38:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, toymyb@... writes: Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? Thanks One scenario is that if you order a SHS Consolidation you are most likely to actually receive it. It is also a bit more detailed and prototypical looking. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33241	From: roy inman	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

One other consideration also: the Flyonel Mikado is available in only two eastern road names, while the SHS can be bought in several road names, including SF and UP, and undecorated as well. Roy Inman ---------- > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:37:07 -0500 (EST) > To: toymyb@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2004 4:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > toymyb@... writes: > Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and > the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? > Thanks > > > Not unless you desire a virtual review. <grin> Neither one is out yet. The > SHS is a Consolidation while the Lionel AF is a Mikado, so the engine type may > drive your choice because their prices are not too far apart. You may wish to > consult the respective catalogs because the two engines do have different > features and see how those features will fill your needs. I have held advance > samples of both in my hands and I believe that both are going to be really > nice. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33242	From: aglorince	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: end of year magazine clearance

i have back issues of the following magazines available. prices are 25% off cover price. us shipping is paid. 3/16 scale railroading may 1990 through july 1992 ctc board mar 88 through dec 2003 mainline modeler april 1990 through dec 2003 rail model journal dec 1990 through decenber 2003 s gaugianmay 1988 through nov 2003 sn3 modeler 87 win through winter 2003 s/sn3 modeling guide apr 1995 through march 1999 not all issues are available. some issues are limited. for details andy lorince alorince@y...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33243	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

My experience has been that S-Helper will have a quality product with excellent and expert Customer Service back-up if needed. Flyonel will have the American Flyer name on it. Don't count on much else. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33244	From: Robert Boring	Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's

And it will be done right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@...> To: "toymyb" <toymyb@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Steam Engines-Pro's & Con's SHS will make their's. toymyb <toymyb@...> wrote: Can anyone advise me as to the pro's/cons of Shelper's new steam engine and the one that is being introduced by Lionel/Flyer? Thanks S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33245	From: D Stoll	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Hint or hassle?

Just starting a collection in flyer for the grand kids (and myself), I picked up two Gilbert Baldwins. Both had same issue of burned and sticking pick up button springs and they ran erratic with a lot of sparks at pick-up buttons. I replaced the springs with heavier ones and lost traction, and even considered the lionel fix by attaching wires to the ends of the post. The answer to my dilema came from the garage. Anti seize (or never seize) used for auto repair to prevent threads from freezing up works like a dream. Applied with a tooth pick using amount size of a oil drop, I coated the posts inside the springs where it can complete the contact to the housing and lubricate the shaft. Anti-Seize is a paste that is made of copper powder, aluminim powder, zink oxide, and graphite. The buttons work like thy have shock absorbers attached and units run very smoothly without sparks. Use sparingly, and don't wipe it on your clothes. Doug For what it is worth the flyer cnw baldwin was designed after the S-12 version. The only pictures I have been able to find show one large exhaust rather than three but panels and headlight design match. small modification for semi-scale conversion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33246	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Largo Florida TCA meet

Anyone know the date for the TCA meet in Largo, Florida? It is usually around the first week in February. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33247	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....

Guys and Gal..... here is a reply to my inquiry on one of my orders about the B&O Pass set..... Bob They are shipping the 2 pack passenger cars only Everything else is delayed again Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33248	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Franklins

The reason Franklins growl and grind so much is the imprecise machining of the gear train. If the gears could be replaced with ones that fit together better it would be much quieter and the chuff-chuff would be audible. I actually heard it once after loading the gears up with lots of grease! Anybody got any other solutions to eliminate the grinding sound? Other things to do to improve a Franklin are to add a spring to the pilot wheels, add lead or washers under the cowcatcher (to prevent wheelies and derailments,) and to improve the smoke performance by adding a wire from the tender all the way to the smoke unit so that the power for the smoke unit doesn't have to travel through the intermittent mechanical boiler-tender connection. One of these days I'm going to give mine a headlight with an LED, and light up the passenger cars. And I'm still looking for a repro of the large rear dome to fix up a junker Washington engine. Everybody only has the smaller dome. I guess I'll have to make one. Anybody got any thoughts on how to do this? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33249	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....

In a message dated 12/8/2004 9:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: They are shipping the 2 pack passenger cars only I'll take this as good news. The 2 pack is a harbinger of the rest of the set. :) Bo Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33250	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Off topic....... BAD NEWS....

Gene... I too was assured Dec at York....... The reply was from Island Trains.... Large dealer..... they should get stuff before the smaller ones..... That reply came this morning.... I just went thru an almost 3 year wait.... Delivery next month.... on time.... etc......... for the MTH "G" Challenger...... Well the fellow finally made good and mine was in the first group that came in a few months ago....... The engine and tender is as Long as a whole AF train.... over 4 feet.......Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knight, Gene" <Knight@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Off topic....... BAD NEWS.... Hi Bob, I certainly hope that is not the case. I talked to Doug Peck at York and he assured me they were "on the boat" already and waiting to get unloaded in time for Christmas delivery. If what you say is true, I am going to have to think hard about my next Lionel Flyer purchase. I have what...about $800 tied up for a year waiting for this set. I could be buying other Flyer with it..... Gene -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:32 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic....... BAD NEWS.... Guys and Gal..... here is a reply to my inquiry on one of my orders about the B&O Pass set..... Bob They are shipping the 2 pack passenger cars only Everything else is delayed again Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33251	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Coal? Just curious.

Two years ago my mom found a Flyer set while antique shopping and I got it for Christmas forty years after my original set. It came with a bag of coal. She says the dealer was positive it was "original". I recently purchased a 919 hopper and it came with some "original" coal. The two are completely different size. The first is a larger lump or chip type coal and the second is a granular more like sand. Were there two different coal loads or is the granular the original as I suspect? Has anyone tried to use a larger lump or chip type coal with the loaders? I think the granular would work better with the loaders, but the chip type coal is much cleaner and easier to clean up! Thanks, Gary, a.k.a. gumbyboy15

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33252	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Franklins

Good point Scott. I've made all the improvents you mention in my stock and custom Franklins. I think the gear noise is amplified and echoed by the large, hollow plastic boiler also. A can motor conversion is the easiest way to quiet them down and greatly improve performance. As for a new dome. Probably the easiest way is to turn one on a lathe out of brass or aluminum. I made one not too long ago for a little DDT switcher project. You can see the dome before painting in this photo: http://s-scale.org/albums/album65/DDT8 Steve Quoting Scott Holm <imsscott@...>: > > > The reason Franklins growl and grind so much is the imprecise machining of > the gear train. If the gears could be replaced with ones that fit together > better it would be much quieter and the chuff-chuff would be audible. I > actually heard it once after loading the gears up with lots of grease! > Anybody got any other solutions to eliminate the grinding sound? > > Other things to do to improve a Franklin are to add a spring to the pilot > wheels, add lead or washers under the cowcatcher (to prevent wheelies and > derailments,) and to improve the smoke performance by adding a wire from the > tender all the way to the smoke unit so that the power for the smoke unit > doesn't have to travel through the intermittent mechanical boiler-tender > connection. > > One of these days I'm going to give mine a headlight with an LED, and light > up the passenger cars. And I'm still looking for a repro of the large rear > dome to fix up a junker Washington engine. Everybody only has the smaller > dome. I guess I'll have to make one. Anybody got any thoughts on how to do > this? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33253	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: ZW transformer

Anyone using one to run flyer? Whats the output voltage? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33254	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re;Franklins

You might try making a styrofoam slug to fit in the boiler to deaden the sound. It's easy to carve, of course, and you can glue it in with Walthers Goo or rubber cement so you can take it back out if you wish. Strange at it sounds, you can use sheet lead formed to the inside of the shell and "Goooed" in. It dampens plastic shell vibration somewhat. Rubber O rings where the boiler mounts to the chassis will also help isolate chassis noise from resonating through the shell. I did these things to locos in other scales (especially an HO Model Die Casting Shay which was a real coffee grinder)and it helped in most cases. However, I'm not familiar with the Franklin, so no guarantees. It sounds from the various posts that you folks are chasing more than one noise problem. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33255	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

868 UP DD boxcar. 1-47 http://mopac1.tripod.com/868.gif 869 UP DD boxcar. ATS 5-57 http://mopac1.tripod.com/869.gif 870 BNSF 2 bay covered hopper. 11-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/870.gif 871 L&N ACF 3 bay covered hopper. cuft 4650. 4-64 http://mopac1.tripod.com/871.gif 872 L&N ACF 3 bay covered hopper. cuft 4650. 4-64 http://mopac1.tripod.com/872.gif 873 L&N ACF 3 bay covered hopper. cuft 4650. 3-76 http://mopac1.tripod.com/873.gif 874 L&N ACF 3 bay covered hopper. cuft 4650. 11-82 http://mopac1.tripod.com/874.gif 875 L&N ACF 3 bay covered hopper. cuft 4600. 2-78 http://mopac1.tripod.com/875.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33256	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: 2 questions

Greetings! I have two questions about flyer. The first is a track I have that has a hard plastic base with power connectors and two thin metal inner rails that are wired to the connectors. The part number is PA10069. Does anyonw know what this track is used to power? The second question has to do with a 312 locomotive. On the bottom of the drive train chasis are two brass buttons. They do not seem to connect to anything. Anyone know why they are on the 312? Thanks! Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33257	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: trade List #3

Good afternoon To start this list off I have some of those L word parts, and I realize several of you guys have more than just AF, and for those I post this, all other skip to item #2 #1 L parts not S, a pilot truck and crosshead guide assembly for a 2-4-2, couple wood barrels one with two hoops in the middle and a hoop on each end, one with two hoops in the middle and two insets, one on each end, this is a smaller barrel, two dummy trucks, most likely off the Alco FA like 223 or such, one truck has the ladders on the side, the other does not, pretty much if you take both trucks you can make one complete one a couple boxcar floors and a tender floor with one truck mounted, it is of the old electromatic coupler style...has to be opened with the uncoupler. lot $15 or trade for a L caboose shell the standard offset cupola or a much later smaller version of that same caboose, no breaks #2New Haven Delux caboose shell only, no windows, no smoke jack, body no damage, lettering is scratched in the side heralds #21492 $6.50 #3 One Alco B unit chassis only, nuttin else designed for two low yoked trucks and one Alco A unit chassis, nuttin else, no light shelf, made for two tall yoke trucks. $5 for both #4 One pair of link coupler trucks, attached to a 638 caboose with two chipped corners and two missing steps...nice trucks $3 #5 Lionel Conrail tractor trailer 6-12778 new in box 1990 production $15.00 #6 Lionel Chevron tank trailer and tractor new in box 6-12777 1990 production $16.50 Still hunting for a few good Vega's Mini Lindy's and damaged AF GP-7 shells with good long hoods... Thanks for looking gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33258	From: knockbill	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: ZW

I just repaired one for a friend, It is 19.4 volts, & is the 275 watt version...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33259	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2 questions

1. 1946 operating track for hoppers, log, auto and other cars.... 2. 1946 312 with left over operating contacts under the engine.... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <schliess@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2 questions > > > Greetings! > I have two questions about flyer. The first is a track I have that has > a hard plastic base with power connectors and two thin metal inner rails > that are wired to the connectors. The part number is PA10069. Does > anyonw know what this track is used to power? > The second question has to do with a 312 locomotive. On the bottom of > the drive train chasis are two brass buttons. They do not seem to > connect to anything. Anyone know why they are on the 312? > Thanks! > Larry Schliessmann > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33260	From: dvprc	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: (no subject)

addendum to last post. The buttons come from the time when Flyer was three rail. They received power from the middle rail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33261	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re; My Franklin post

It has been called to my attention that the open frame Flyer motor would create too much heat to have styrofoam close to it. Melted styrofoam in an open frame motor would be quite a mess, yuk! Scratch that from my suggestions! (But it worked with can motors in HO.) Stumpy Stone...still new to Flyer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33262	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: 2 questions

I bought two 1946 312's as a teenager and they had the brass buttons. I recall reading that the brass buttons were there to complete a circuit. The 1946 catalog on page 28 shows a 695 track trip that operates by the loco completing a circuit as it passes by. I think it was only offered that year. To see the trip in the catalog go to this link: http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1946Catalog/AF_1946_catalog_page28.htm On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <schliess@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2 questions > > > 1. 1946 operating track for hoppers, log, auto and other cars.... > 2. 1946 312 with left over operating contacts under the engine.... > > Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <schliess@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:34 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 2 questions > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > I have two questions about flyer. The first is a track I have that has > > a hard plastic base with power connectors and two thin metal inner rails > > that are wired to the connectors. The part number is PA10069. Does > > anyonw know what this track is used to power? > > The second question has to do with a 312 locomotive. On the bottom of > > the drive train chasis are two brass buttons. They do not seem to > > connect to anything. Anyone know why they are on the 312? > > Thanks! > > Larry Schliessmann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33263	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Re: Coal? Just curious.

Gary Chidester gchidester@... wrote: >...I recently purchased a 919 hopper and it came with some "original" coal. The two are > completely different size. Both were original. The coal loader won't work with the big coal that a 919 came with. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33264	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: my trade list #3

Evening again All of the #3 list is spoken for, thanks so much for your consideration. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33265	From: Phil K	Date: 12/8/2004
Subject: Wanting to buy

A Flyonel NIB 1998 48335 Christmas gondola w/trees NIB. Please contact me off-line. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS

This is the first I have heard of another delay.....the last thing I was told, about 2-3 weeks ago, was that the steamers, the EP5, and the 2-pack were still scheduled for December delivery (note that I did not say 'before Christmas'), but that the handcar was delayed til January. This was from one of my distributors. However, I do understand that the container ships are badly backlogged on the west coast.....sitting offshore, unable to be unloaded. I'm just speculating, but that may in fact be the problem, and there's nothing the manufacturers can do about that! Meanwhile, I have asked no one to pay for the engine yet....we don't request final payment until delivery is in hand. <<<<I certainly hope that is not the case. I talked to Doug Peck at York and he assured me they were "on the boat" already and waiting to get unloaded in time for Christmas delivery.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33267	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS

I did a little research and found the following. West Coast cargo gridlock is nightmare for holiday sales. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/0/263F3AA2A563F24C 86256F4900205152?OpenDocument&Headline=West+Coast+cargo+gridlock+is+nigh tmare+for+holiday+sales This would shore up Doug's explanation. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains]... BAD NEWS This is the first I have heard of another delay.....the last thing I was told, about 2-3 weeks ago, was that the steamers, the EP5, and the 2-pack were still scheduled for December delivery (note that I did not say 'before Christmas'), but that the handcar was delayed til January. This was from one of my distributors. However, I do understand that the container ships are badly backlogged on the west coast.....sitting offshore, unable to be unloaded. I'm just speculating, but that may in fact be the problem, and there's nothing the manufacturers can do about that! Meanwhile, I have asked no one to pay for the engine yet....we don't request final payment until delivery is in hand. <<<<I certainly hope that is not the case. I talked to Doug Peck at York and he assured me they were "on the boat" already and waiting to get unloaded in time for Christmas delivery.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33268	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: ... BAD NEWS

Doug, I stand corrected! Gene -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains]... BAD NEWS This is the first I have heard of another delay.....the last thing I was told, about 2-3 weeks ago, was that the steamers, the EP5, and the 2-pack were still scheduled for December delivery (note that I did not say 'before Christmas'), but that the handcar was delayed til January. This was from one of my distributors. However, I do understand that the container ships are badly backlogged on the west coast.....sitting offshore, unable to be unloaded. I'm just speculating, but that may in fact be the problem, and there's nothing the manufacturers can do about that! Meanwhile, I have asked no one to pay for the engine yet....we don't request final payment until delivery is in hand. <<<<I certainly hope that is not the case. I talked to Doug Peck at York and he assured me they were "on the boat" already and waiting to get unloaded in time for Christmas delivery.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33269	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: Re; My Franklin post

I think the styrofoam would handle more heat than the plastic boiler or cab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33270	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: updated list

Happy Holidays, S-fans. My updated AF eight page list of trains for sale was emailed on 12/6. If you did not receive a copy but would like one, send me an email. May Santa be good to everyone of you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33271	From: Phil K	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: West Coast jam-up

A story that ran recently on the wires stated that due to an excess of arriving container ships from the Far East and insufficient unloading capacity at major intermodel ports like Long Beach CA, some ships waiting offshore to be unloaded may endure as much as a 2 or 3-week wait to get into port. To boot, one of the major ground shippers delivering the containers, Union Pacific, is still bogged down on the west coast, operating without enough crews, locomotives and track capacity. Although I had my fingers crossed that the Mikes and other products got here before Christmas, I wasn't counting on it. So Doug is right on the screws with his explanation. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33272	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: 2 questions answers

Thanks to everyone who answered my two questions. This is a well informed group of people! Best, and Happy Holidays to all! Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33273	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: trades

Will trade( or buy outright) Gilbert for non-Gilbert. What do you have? What do you need? Ed in florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33274	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Aluminum cars

Hello all, I wrote last month about polishing aluminum cars and received many great responses. I managed to acquire a few cars and I'm ready to go. The cars all have scratches and I was wondering what grit of sand paper would be good to start and finish off with. The scratches are not deep and I assume wet sand paper would be the way to go. I would like to say thank you in advance because I always received timely and informative responses from this group. I'm glad to be a member and Happy Holidays to all. I'll be setting up a small loop around the tree this year and wish my mom and dad where still around to see it. 48 years ago I found my first American Flyer going around a similar loop. It's all about the memories. Take care, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33275	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars

On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 01:38 AM, colleenandrob wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > I wrote last month about polishing aluminum cars and received many > great responses. I managed to acquire a few cars and I'm ready to > go. The cars all have scratches and I was wondering what grit of > sand paper would be good to start and finish off with. The > scratches are not deep and I assume wet sand paper would be the way > to go. I would like to say thank you in advance because I always > received timely and informative responses from this group. I'm glad > to be a member and Happy Holidays to all. I'll be setting up a > small loop around the tree this year and wish my mom and dad where > still around to see it. 48 years ago I found my first American > Flyer going around a similar loop. It's all about the memories. > > Take care, > > Rob Sand paper A BIG NO. Use polishing compound of at least 1500 grit or finer. This stuff is also called lapping compound. Sand paper scratches. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Tomorrow is an other day and we'll probably mess it up also.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33276	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Trade list #3

Morning all, Due to a mix up in item and list numbers, list #3 is back up for sale or trade, item #3 is gone the rest is very much available. Thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33277	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars

Dear Rob, You need touse a Wet/Dry grade paper paper. For really fine scratches I would use no less than a 10000 or 7500 grade paper to start. After disassembling the car, place the body under the faucet and let a small steady stream of water to flow on the car. I've used Dawn dishwashing detergent along with the water to create a slick "slurry" and this prevents the sanding paper from cutting into the aluminum surface and leaving additional scratches. I've purchased super fine Wet/Dry paper at hobby shops. You might call a machinist's supply shop or an industrial supply outfit like W. W. Grainger.As suggested recently by another member of the list, I would use jeweler's rouge as the final step in this process. It will really bring out the shine. Bobby Bryan,Jr. Kingsport, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33278	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: On the boat

Wow! Is on the boat something like the old phrase" The checks in the mail?" Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33279	From: velapoldi	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: visit

Hi All: I will be in Lancaster, CA for about 3 weeks starting next Friday. Are there any layouts/people who would like to have a visitor from the other side of the pond? I know that the holidays are busy times (and we will be also travelling to Hearst "castle", Vegas, and June lake for skiing), but I might be able to get away for a few hours and visit if someone is near there (I think it is clost to Edwards AFB and maybe an hour from LA?). Thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33280	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Ertl building kits

Hi If anyone is interested I have 3 of the 1/64 scale Ertl building sets for sale. they are: #4237 Farm house set. #4233 Vintage farm buildings set. #4443 County fair set with merry-go-round, Ferris wheel, covered grand stand, various booths and other accessories, people and critters. These are all new in the box with parts in sealed plastic bags. If moderator allows this message and anyone interested email me direct. thanks, Frank Duszczak [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33281	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Aluminum cars

Well, I've tried to keep this a secret, so the price of dinged & junky looking cars will stay low, but too many are asking, so here goes: First, strip the car, take the ends off, slide the bottom out, slide the windows out (if they haven't already fallen out), and then the tricky part, using a very small punch, working from the inside, press the nameplate rivits out and set the nameplates aside. On the observation car, do the same thing to the obs end, press out the tailamp lense and the tail sign. If the car is only "dingy" and loss of gloss, skip the next part. (Hmm, Just realized this would make a good "Fixin' Flyer" column). The smooth roofs will show up flaws much more than the ribbed sides, so concentrat on getting them "right." We'll start with what to do for the heaviest damage and work up to the lightest, which is the order in which you will follow to get that mirror finish. If you have a heavy gouge that raises up the metal, take a fine file and smooth out the ridge. Now to sanding; I use wet or dry paper and until I get to the fine grits, I use a rubber sanding block so I don't make dips in the finish. Heavy scratches can be hit with 400 grit, then follow up with 800, then 1500 and finally 2000. The finer grits are available at automotive paint supply stores. You won't need to buy much, as the cars are actually a small project compared to automobile painting! If you've never done this before, you might want to start with the fine paper first, and see it if does the trick If it sitll leaves the scratches, move down a grit, and then when you only get scratches from the paper grit, go up to a finer one. The 2000 should leave a fairly polished surface. Use lots of water, as it flows the metal bits away, so you don't puch them into the surface. For the sides, I use a dermel tool to smooth out gouges, other than making them smaller, you can't do a whole lot to this area with the paper. Now you can polish to get that mirror image. I use a bench top grinder that I have removed one wheel and it's cover and installed a loose sewen cotton buffing wheel (actually two together). You have to have polishing compound on the wheel, and it comes in many grits. I usualy use an 800 tripoli and a seperate set of wheels for a 1500 grit green compound. I get the compounds from an old car parts supplier, and one stick of each will last you years! First you start up the polisher, and rub the end of the stick on the wheel. Now you can begin polishing. When the wheels get loade up with 'gunk' take a junk screwdriver and run it across the wheel to clean off the wheel, and apply more polish. The wheel will grab any edge it finds, so keep all the edges downward. Take it very easy as you learn how the wheel "works." The observation end has lots of corners the wheel will want to grab so it can fling it across the room! The finish the wheel gives varies if you work the piece against the revolution of the wheel or with it (up towards you, or down away from you). For the final finish, you want to use very light pressure, and work the piece away from you. If you've done it right, you can almost see youself in the roof. I don't know if they ever left the factory that shiney, but it sure looks swell! The natural oxidation of aluminum will eventualy dull them down to a "normal" sheen anyway! Now you can re-assemble the car. I use a plastic screwdriver handle to push the rivits back in, I don't want to mar that finish! So the secret is out! So much for those $15 dirty cars. RATS! S' David D. PS My email spell checker won't work, so ignore the mistakes!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33282	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Need Arch bar trucks

Does anyone know of a US source of standard "S" arch bar freight trucks? I need some for a new project. Thanks, Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33283	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33284	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks

Steve, Last I heard, Dale Darney at V&T Shops has three styles of S scale standard gauge trucks. He has been recovering from an illness and may not yet be back into the full swing of things. I believe these are a white-metal truck, and are a little soft, but should hold up OK with careful handling. The only other US options are to take Bachmann or other brands of On30 trucks and re-gauge the trucks with a new bolster and wheelsets. There is also an On30 manufacturer in Australia who makes his trucks from a high quality urethane, and he may be willing to modify a bolster to fit if you are doing more than one. This is Ian Lindsay, and their owner is Ian Storrey. I am planning a future roster of 1885 era equipment and will also be needing a variety of arch-bar trucks, but I haven't yet decided which way to go. I will probably end up using a variety. Darrell Smith --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@1...> wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a US source of standard "S" arch bar freight > trucks? I need some for a new project. > > Thanks, > Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33285	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Franklins

Scott, Well, this is something I have heard, but do not exactly reccommend, but if your engine is already a near basket case it might be worth a try: first clean the oil and grease off the gears. Then load up the gears with toothpaste, and "run in" the engine. The mild abrasiveness of the toothpaste should smooth out the irregularities of the cheap gears. Next, clean ALL the toothpaste off the works, and re-oil. If someone is desperate enough to try this, let me know how it works. If it hasn't ruined your engine, I may give it a try on mine..... Darrell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > The reason Franklins growl and grind so much is the imprecise machining of the gear train. If the gears could be replaced with ones that fit together better it would be much quieter and the chuff-chuff would be audible. I actually heard it once after loading the gears up with lots of grease! Anybody got any other solutions to eliminate the grinding sound? > > Other things to do to improve a Franklin are to add a spring to the pilot wheels, add lead or washers under the cowcatcher (to prevent wheelies and derailments,) and to improve the smoke performance by adding a wire from the tender all the way to the smoke unit so that the power for the smoke unit doesn't have to travel through the intermittent mechanical boiler-tender connection. > > One of these days I'm going to give mine a headlight with an LED, and light up the passenger cars. And I'm still looking for a repro of the large rear dome to fix up a junker Washington engine. Everybody only has the smaller dome. I guess I'll have to make one. Anybody got any thoughts on how to do this? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33286	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Sale items Pictures are in the group photo area

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33287	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Hello all New old stock accessories

SAWMILL AF BY LIONEL 5-digit style 49806 $75.00 NIB GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER AF BY LIONEL 49805 $110.00 NIB SEABOARD COAL LOADER AF BY LIONEL 49807 $125.00 NIB CAOL LOADER MIKES TRAIN HOUSE 5 digit style $130.00 NIB LOG LOADER MIKES TRAIN HOUSE 5 digit style $125.00 NIB AF HO 252 BLOCK (SEMAPHORE) SIGNAL $500.00 E+ OB Inquire about track roadbed and gargraves track Tom 815 588 1018

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33288	From: Bob	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....

Dear Group, I'm going to be running my American Flyer S trains with my son's O-27 Lionel Gauge all on one layout. My question to the group is does anyone know if I can run my Gilbert engines and accessories and American Model engines off of a Lionel ZW or M.t.h. transformer without doing any damage to the engines or accessories ?? Please post any and all questions. By the way , does anyone know where I can get layout plans which would combine both gauges ?? Thanks in advance........Bob a.k.a. Yaz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33289	From: Tom	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN LIST IN GROUP DATABASE SECTION

BUNCH OF FLYER AND SHOWCASE FOR SALE IN THE DATABASE SECTION I HAVE TWO LISTS ONE FOR FLYER AND THE OTHER FOR SHOWCASE TOMMINIL@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33290	From: Phil K	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....

Any original American Flyer made by AC Gilbert should be fine when run off a Lionel ZW or MTH AC transformer. However, some of these transformers at full throttle will output 20 volts or more. American Models locomotives (or SHS or any others) that have sound boards should NOT be run over 17 or 18 volts max -- above that voltage you stand a strong chance of frying the sound board chip (especially if you get a momentary line spike down the service coming into your house). Sound boards are fairly expensive to replace. Personally, I also do not run any Flyonel Rail Sounds units above 17 volts for the same reason, and have a line conditioner (as sold for use with computers) between the wall receptacle and transformers -- which allegedly WILL protect against a momentary line spike -- just as an added safety measure. I believe the internal circuit breakers in most modern transformers so equipped protect against shorts, not voltage spikes. A line conditioner (a.k.a. surge supressor) that has a bank of about 10 outlets costs less than what you'd pay to have a sound board replaced. Also, get a voltmeter and check each transformer's variable output at full throttle just to be safe before using, even with a surge suppressor. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <yazfacts@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > I'm going to be running my American Flyer S trains with my > son's O-27 Lionel Gauge all on one layout. My question to the group > is does anyone know if I can run my Gilbert engines and accessories > and American Model engines off of a Lionel ZW or M.t.h. transformer > without doing any damage to the engines or accessories ?? Please post > any and all questions. By the way , does anyone know where I can get > layout plans which would combine both gauges ?? Thanks in > advance........Bob a.k.a. Yaz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33291	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: The real "Pennsalt"

Someone was asking about what the real thing looked like. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33292	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: The real "Pennsalt"

I had asked.... but after comparing 2 from 2 diff places, and info I received I think they both were ok..... Fuzzy Keystone..... etc. all matched up.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The real "Pennsalt" > > > Someone was asking about what the real thing looked like. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33293	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Mr & Mrs Claus (Adv)

Don't forget the Gilbertsville Train Show tomorrow, Dec 12. Located in Gilbertsville Fire Co bldg, Rt 73 E of Rt 100. I mention this because I will have on hand AND available, the Mr & Mrs Claus (with elves and wreath) from S-Helper Service. Beautiful "S" figures, just in time for Christmas. Lots of other SHS goodies too. Plus H-O and some 3 rail I'll be the guy with the red beard and red suspenders at Table 29, Main Floor. Management (not me) charges admission of course, but certainly reasonable for such a show. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33294	From: Ironhorse	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Coal? Just curious.

I use the black filter coal used in fish tank filters. Roger Hinds Gary Chidester wrote: >Two years ago my mom found a Flyer set while antique shopping and I got it >for Christmas forty years after my original set. It came with a bag of >coal. She says the dealer was positive it was "original". I recently >purchased a 919 hopper and it came with some "original" coal. The two are >completely different size. > >The first is a larger lump or chip type coal and the second is a granular >more like sand. Were there two different coal loads or is the granular the >original as I suspect? Has anyone tried to use a larger lump or chip type >coal with the loaders? I think the granular would work better with the >loaders, but the chip type coal is much cleaner and easier to clean up! > >Thanks, > >Gary, a.k.a. gumbyboy15 > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33295	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: The real "Pennsalt"

In a message dated 12/11/2004 4:27:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: I had asked.... There is a real 24319 pictured on page 75 of the first edition of the TM AF Guide. The photo is particularly useful because the shot was taken at a downward angle. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33296	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks

Arch bar trucks are still made by ACE / Manheim machine Co. in Hi rail & scale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33297	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 project update

I am happy to announce that our engineer Jonathan Chung has sent the new two painted and lettered operating engineering samples of the Erie and NYC 2-8-0. These were received on Friday and yesterday operated on our display layout at the "World Greatest Hobby" show in Edison, NJ. We ran these during the show doubled headed and as single units. One is now on the BTS S scale display layout right next to us. Diane Wade of BTS convinced us to give this show a try. It was not to hard to convince us as the exposition center is about 5 miles from the warehouse. On the other side of our display layout is Richard and Debbie Bendeavor with the "S/Sn3 Modeling Guide". Diane was right as there have been a ton of people coming through. We have made inroads as starter sets have been sold to non-S gaugers. This is a different type of show with more manufacturers and less of a flea market atmosphere. Lots of display layouts, with both the NASG switching layout (manned by John Foley and Larry Morton of Tomalco fame) and the South Jersey S Gaugers module layout (a very pleasant surprise seeing them there, we lent them an ore car train) operating to show the advantages of "S". Back to the 2-8-0, the drives are working just right with no binds and very good slow speeds. The Erie will be going to the Citibank layout in New York City next week and will be tested and on display there. These samples do not have the smoke units, sound or LEDs operating but are waiting for the sample sockets to be produced. The next round of operating samples will have these features. I will request a painted sample of the AT&SF engine to include these features. Best regards, Don PS If anyone is in the area, the show runs from 10 AM to 5 PM.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33298	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....

Dear Phil, We understand the problems that some S mfgs have had with Lionel's ZW and KW transformers as some of them put out as much as 24 volts, Yikes!!!. But our S Helper Service engines with the LocoMatic sound units are designed by Dallee to be used with these transformers. These sound units were originally made for both the S and 0-27 market so protection against the high voltages was built into each one. Our Switchers AC/DC reverse units were also designed this way. During a chance visit to Dallas's booth at the NMRA National Train Show in Madison WI a few years back, I showed the SW-9 reverse unit schematic. He instantly noticed that our mosfet were not protected against these high voltages and corrected this oversight. So, today we have no problems with ZW or KW transformers. Don Phil K wrote: >Any original American Flyer made by AC Gilbert should be fine when >run off a Lionel ZW or MTH AC transformer. However, some of these >transformers at full throttle will output 20 volts or more. American >Models locomotives (or SHS or any others) that have sound boards >should NOT be run over 17 or 18 volts max -- above that voltage you >stand a strong chance of frying the sound board chip (especially if >you get a momentary line spike down the service coming into your >house). > >Sound boards are fairly expensive to replace. Personally, I >also do not run any Flyonel Rail Sounds units above 17 volts for the >same reason, and have a line conditioner (as sold for use with >computers) between the wall receptacle and transformers -- which >allegedly WILL protect against a momentary line spike -- just >as an added safety measure. I believe the internal circuit >breakers in most modern transformers so equipped protect >against shorts, not voltage spikes. A line conditioner (a.k.a. >surge supressor) that has a bank of about 10 outlets costs less >than what you'd pay to have a sound board replaced. > >Also, get a voltmeter and check each transformer's variable output >at full throttle just to be safe before using, even with a surge >suppressor. > >Phil K > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33299	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: A few more Howie Photos

Hi All, I have to go from 0 to full Christmas today. So what am I doing up starting at 5:30 Am on a Sunday? Scanning my negatives of Howie...... They are mostly from about 1990 to 1995 when I was going to college for photography. I had my camera with me constantly, shooting almost a roll a week of T Max 100 B&W film. Here are a few more Howie photos. I would not call them my best work but here goes... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Howie_collage.jpg Upper left Kent Singer, Howie and the gang at a late night discussion at the 1993 Valley Forge NASG convention. Kent was leading the group in a story of how he finally realized that the Mighty Pennsy was completely superior over the New York Central! (:->) I remember Dick Karnes was agreeing as well. Upper Right & Bottom Left - Howie and gang at a friend Harry Owens layout when he was in S & O Scale. He has since returned to HO. I don't talk to him anymore! Bottom right - Howie in the then Conrail GP9 at Strasburg. I rarely wished I had color film in my camera during that period, except for that photo. I realized at that exact 1/60th of a second that I would regret it in the future, much more so today. Bottom center - Howie trackside at the PRR Mainline near the PA Delaware border. We stopped to look at some Amtrak MOW Pullmans which I also took a few photos of. I will look for more when I can. I only have 1 photo of Howie running his own engine, a PRR I1 at the CJSS Get Together. He never brought anything of his own to run. He was always helping out in the kitchen and running the show instead. But finding that photo will mean searching through 300+ packs of unmarked color photos. That will be left for another day. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33300	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ZW or any Lionel Transformer....

In a message dated 12/12/2004 12:12:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S- I've been running a similar set up with my son the last few years, using both the MTH and the ZW, without any problems. Was warned to watch out for higher voltages with certain electronic sound boards, but this has not been a problem. We also use an AF 18B which I like quite a bit. Robert Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:54:50 -0000 From: "Bob" <yazfacts@...> Subject: ZW or any Lionel Transformer.... Dear Group, I'm going to be running my American Flyer S trains with my son's O-27 Lionel Gauge all on one layout. My question to the group is does anyone know if I can run my Gilbert engines and accessories and American Model engines off of a Lionel ZW or M.t.h. transformer without doing any damage to the engines or accessories ?? Please post any and all questions. By the way , does anyone know where I can get layout plans which would combine both gauges ?? Thanks in advance........Bob a.k.a. Yaz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33301	From: doug	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: Need Arch bar trucks

<<<< Arch bar trucks are still made by ACE / Manheim machine Co. in Hi rail & scale>>>> Someone can correct me if you know otherwise, but my understanding is that MMT/Mannheim is officially closed/out of business, and the business is for sale. This word came to me about 2 weeks ago from another retailer who had just spoken with Mannheim directly. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33302	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: ACE/ MANHEIM OUT OF BUSSINESS ?

Arch bar trucks are still made by ACE / Manheim machine Co. in Hi rail & scale MMT/Mannheim is officially closed/out of business, and the business is for sale. ????? This really don't suprize Me at all , It only took them 8 months to fill My last order,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33303	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: S scale ruler at the hobby shop, part two

Once again, it was a slow day after about 1pm, so I started checking things for S scale compatability on the boss's time. As you may recall, last week I checked out MTH O scale stuff. This week Lionel.....The "Main Street Buildings" are very similar to those by MTH with underscale doors. A six footer in S scale will go nicely through the door, but an O scaler would have to duck and turn a bit sideways. The "Suburban Houses" have underscale doors (and garage doors)but a very large footprint, even for O scale. The houses and Main Street buildings are lighted and close to the MTH prices, about $35. The Lionel "People Packs" have a few underscale people in them which come out to six feet in S scale, but sizes vary. I took another look at the "Animated Playground" since someone had asked about it after last week's post on this subject. If you pretend all the people are adults, it'll be okay in S scale. I would have liked to check out the "Gas Station" and "Fire Station" but we don't have them in stock. Finally, an interesting item with S possibilities as a load or whatever is the Walthers HO "EMD Prime Mover" kit with generator at $3.95 each. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33304	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: ACE/ MANHEIM OUT OF BUSSINESS ?

Th e-mail I just sent to Manheim Machine got bounced back. I guess that means the rumor is true :-( Steve Ron Inscho wrote: > > Arch bar trucks are still made by ACE / Manheim machine Co. in Hi rail & >scale > > MMT/Mannheim is officially closed/out of business, and the business is for >sale. ????? This >really don't suprize Me at all , It only took them 8 months to fill My last >order, > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33305	From: Paul	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Library Demo - Photos

Had a nice little show at the local library in Indiantown Florida. Had about 35 kids, and 15 adults over a 2 hour period. I wired the indoor/outdoor carpet in advance, only took about 20 minutes to setup. http://s-scale.org/albums/album15 Most of the kids were gone when my photographer showed up. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33307	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: New to the group

Hi, I'm new to the group. I love American Flyer/S-gauge trains. I also love Plasticville! I collect O/S Plasticville, and HO Plasticville. Right now, I'm looking for ideas for my upcoming S- Gauge/Plasticville layout. Would like to have a multi-tier layout I my garage someday. Looking forward from hearing from you nice folks out there! Rodger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33308	From: Michael	Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Files area is full

In the process of uploading some pictures to our files section, I discovered our alloted file space is used up. If those who have uploaded files would take a minute to houseclean ones that are old or out-dated, we can get some room back. I see that some of the files are three years old. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33309	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Biggest Train Show of the Year for Florida

Great American Train Show this Saturday and Sunday at the Tampa Fairgrounds! Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33310	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.Org Christmas Photos posted!

Hello Everyone, I would like to invite you all to visit http://myflyertrains.org again and enjoy the photos of my Christmas layout, as well as photos I took of a mint Gilbert # 8 1/2 Erector Set. This is the set that built the Ferris Wheel... Enjoy.... Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33311	From: Paul	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: S-Trains File Area

Yes the Yahoo provided S-Trains 'file area' is pretty full. If you have photo album or a website, please relocate your files/photos to that space, so folks that don't have web space can upload to the 'files area'. If your uploaded files can be deleted please do so. If you need album space and you don't already have one, please contact me or Chuck at http://myflyertrains.org/ Paul Yorke PS If you are thinking about buying holiday gifts online, please use the links located above the ( http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail ) albums. I have used Amazon.com and Buy.com and have had great service from them. I am hoping that this may some day help pay part for the cost of the websites. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33312	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby show

Last weekend was the World's Greatest Hobby show in Edison, NJ. Our club (South Jersey S Gaugers) was able to display our layout at the show to represent 'S'. I've posted a few pictures from Saturday - including a couple of shots of the SHS 2-8-0's in operation. Other shots include John Foley from NASG, Bill Wade from BTS, and Don Thompson from SHS. http://s-scale.org/albums/WGH2004

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33313	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: LocoMatic hook up instructions

Could someone e-mail me the hook up instructioins on the SHS LocoMatic. AC in or DC? etc. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33314	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Gilbert Designed Layout Plans

I notice that the 1946 American Flyer catalog has layout plans in it. Besides catalogs, is there another source for Gilbert designed AF plans? Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33315	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Royal Blue or Not??

Hello all, I just got a 350 Royal Blue off eBay - or should I say it looks like a 350 Royal Blue. The engine has smoke and choo-choo. I didn't think Royal Blues had smoke and choo-choo. I had to remove the tender shell to clean and lube the e-unit, then remove the boiler shell to repair a broken wire going to the armature. After repairs it runs and smokes pretty good. After a proper cleaning and lubing it should be an excellent runner. The inside of the engine shell and tender shell look like both are painted with a dull gray color. I don't see any red paint or any chrome anywhere on either piece. Anyone have any ideas what this is or how I can determine what it is?? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33316	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not??

Well Bull,... I'm no expert, but from what I've read, let me ask you this: Is the loco die-cast? It should be....unless I've missed somethin' ! Are the handrails cast or wire? The reverse unit should be in the loco with the lever out the top.(unless I missed somethin' again!!) And yer right, it shouldn't have smoke or choo-choo. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33317	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Designed Layout Plans

Yes. Flyer put out a little soft cover saddle stitched booklet with info. on how to build a layout, how to hook up accessories, etc. It came with a blue and yellow cover. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Designed Layout Plans > > > I notice that the 1946 American Flyer catalog has layout plans in > it. Besides catalogs, is there another source for Gilbert designed AF plans? > > Peter Ervin > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33318	From: keefer1	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: 760 flashers

What is a 23764 flasher? I just got two flashers from an ebay purchase,and they have leads rather than lugs,and no holes for the lugs to ever have been there. I hjave never seen these before.Are they common? Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33319	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: NEW DATES FOR 2005 S SPREE

LIST: The 2005 S Spree dates have been changed to: May 20 and 21 in Dayton, Ohio. Yes, it's the same weekend as the famous HamFest Amateur Radio get-together, so best get your hotel reservations in now! Holiday Inn Dayton Mall, phone 937-434-8030. $85 per night before April 29th and mention S Spree. Referencing the S layout at the Cincinnati Museum: As of now it's not on the agenda. But some suggestions to the Miami Valley Club could get at tour. Spree Chairman, Denny White dwhite@... for more information - Alan Evans Central Ohio S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33320	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

876 PTLX 16 rib covered hopper (4-73 http://mopac1.tripod.com/876.gif 877 RI 40' piggyback trailer (7-74) http://mopac1.tripod.com/877.gif 878 L&N PS2CD covered hopper (3-63) http://mopac1.tripod.com/878.gif 879 GM&O 50' PS SD boxcar (2-69) http://mopac1.tripod.com/879.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33321	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook up instructions

The box on mine is labeled for transformer input and track output. I feed in AC from my flyer transformer to the transformer input terminals. Output goes to the track. Locomatic runs my F3s this way using pushbuttons. I never tried the DC instead of AC input but think it works. Interesting part is that I can run a conventional Flyer on that loop by using the transformer as the only control and the locomatic box is transparent to the operation. For full locomatic control it's important that the SHS diesel's dip switches inside the doors are set correctly. If you need directions let me know. The operating manual with my SHS diesel was pretty complete in describing this. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] LocoMatic hook up instructions > > > > Could someone e-mail me the hook up instructioins on the SHS > LocoMatic. AC in or DC? etc. > Dwight > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33322	From: Phil K	Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Penn Salt tanker redux

I was watching an auction on eBay for a 24319 Penn Salt tank car. It was listed as being original. Mine has black rails both around the top platform and the tank body. The one on eBay had black on top, shiny around the tank. Here are photos on the eBay listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5941002424 Which is correct? Black, shiny or both? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33323	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Sunday chat and brass button engines

In Sunday chat some were interested in an article I found about a AC Gilbert factory tour from 1951. The article was from ELECTRIC TRAINS October 1951. A very beautiful like new, magazine,Matte finish not glossy,. Featured are Flyer Maerklin, Lionel Mini-Craft Ives Colber. Even our Flyer people made by Colber. With The Tinplate Round House column. I would scan it but afraid it would fall apart. The factory Tour is complete with photos of the production lines Ladies assembling and testing trains. Even a shot of the factory test layout "The final answer to a trains performance is always found during rigorous test runs where a lifetime of usage is given in a few days. Night and day these AF Trains run, often with the locomotives pulling loads (15 to 20 cars) they would never have to haul outside. Performance is carefully watched and checked by engineers." Do you think they knew we would be playing with those locos 53 years later? Brass button engines I took some pictures of my track trip for the brass buttons I will try to put it in the photo section if it is not full. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33324	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Brass button engine trip pictures in TOMMINIL photo album

The pictures fit in the album Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33325	From: Tom	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Stuff I forgot I had

In the Photo section is a paper mache tunnel no 23249 and a TRAINORAMA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33326	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bankruptcy

In this morning's Paper is a small article as follows. "Lionel LLC, a maker of model trains since 1900 reached agreements to obtain almost 60 million dollars in loans to allow it to remain in business and pay down debt as it tries to reorganize under bankruptcy protection." Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia. I made a stupid mistake last week. But now that I think of it, did you ever hear of someone making a clever mistake.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33327	From: David Engle	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Aluminum cars

Sounds like you are using such fine grits that maybe certain "whitening" toothpastes could be feasible; another use is gear-lapping, where you deliberately wear the gears of a new loco ever so slightly to get a better mesh. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr. [mailto:mcwb@...] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:17 AM To: colleenandrob@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Aluminum cars Dear Rob, You need to use a Wet/Dry grade paper paper.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33328	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not??

BULL.......... Don't forget all Royal Blues and Circus engines were die cast.... Those made later were plastic and had S & CC.... What is yours? If metal there is a slot in the top.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Royal Blue or Not?? > > > > Hello all, > > I just got a 350 Royal Blue off eBay - or should I say it looks like > a 350 Royal Blue. The engine has smoke and choo-choo. I didn't > think Royal Blues had smoke and choo-choo. > > I had to remove the tender shell to clean and lube the e-unit, then > remove the boiler shell to repair a broken wire going to the > armature. After repairs it runs and smokes pretty good. After a > proper cleaning and lubing it should be an excellent runner. > > The inside of the engine shell and tender shell look like both are > painted with a dull gray color. I don't see any red paint or any > chrome anywhere on either piece. Anyone have any ideas what this is > or how I can determine what it is?? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33329	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Train Bell

Anyone ever build a train bell accessory for their layout? I'd like to build one using the transformer for power. Maybe using a door bell kit to bash? Is their an original Flyer accessory? Any ideas? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33330	From: knockbill	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bell Acc

Hi There is the AF bell danger signal,,, Marx also made a RR crossing sign with a bell, its way to big for s gage, tho... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33331	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Bakers Choc cars

I was looking at my cars the other day when I found the tanker I was going to cut up for a tender.... Yes its a 30 Choc. car..... But now its going to be put back together correctly...... My problem..... I have a 23 car with the Choc. lady in light tannish color which is correct.... I recently got a nicer 30 Choc. car which doesn't have the lady which is correct..... The tender car does not have the lady either..... Now for the problem..... several years ago I found a really nice 30 choc car in a box of Marx stuff.... all steps etc. but someone had taken off the AF trucks and put in wood plugs to screw Marx trucks into...... OK I did change the base back to an AF Pikemaster one from another car...... But this car has a Dark brown Lady on it.... Did any 30 cars come with lady logos..... I don't think this car was messed with..... I don't think its a sticker on each side..... Wondering.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33332	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Penn Salt tanker redux

Phil.... looked at mine..... 1 has a shiny like rail around the tank..... black on top, 1 has a darkish rail around the tank and black on top...... one has the top rails almost level.... one has the railings sloped.... so many varieties..... these were toys..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Penn Salt tanker redux > > > > I was watching an auction on eBay for a 24319 Penn Salt tank car. It > was listed as being original. Mine has black rails both around the > top platform and the tank body. The one on eBay had black on top, > shiny around the tank. Here are photos on the eBay listing: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5941002424 > > Which is correct? Black, shiny or both? > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33333	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Royal Blue & What is a 23764 flasher

If your "royal blue" body is plastic, and the tender trucks are KC, then you have either a rare factory variation, or a repainted Silver Bullet Loco. The smoke unit in it requried the mold be modiifed for the skyline casing to extend into the nose bullet so the smoke stack would come out right for a smoke unt stack. The SB came chrome and silver painted, so a painted one would be easy to refinish as a RB. But maybe ACG was considering makeing a RB later, and the factory did this prototype job?? (yeah, not likely but. . . .) The flasher is the late 5 diget version, no lugs to save costs, not common, but not that uncommon. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33334	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: ebay bidding tips

I have just started to bid on ebay from S gauge equipment and I find that I lose at the last moment. What is the secret to winning, short of bidding very high? I lost 2 bids that were very low by 50 cents each. Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33335	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Train Bell

Try this site: http://www.trainexchange.com/ottother.htm They have the Ott crossing bell described below: "ELECTRONIC CROSSING BELL RINGS WHEN POWER IS APPLIED (6 TO 18 VOLTS AC OR DC). SHARP BELL SOUND AND ADJUSTABLE BELL RATE MAKE THIS UNIT AN EXCEPTIONAL VALUE. CIRCUIT BOARD SIZE 1- 3/4"L 1-3/8"W x 1/2"H WITH 1-7/8" SOUND ELEMENT. ELECTRONIC CROSSING BELL - $20.00, $3.00 SHIPPING" You could use it with a detector like the Detective avail. from this site: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/detective.html On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin Baker" <effdbee@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Bell > > > Anyone ever build a train bell accessory for their layout? I'd like to build one using the transformer for power. Maybe using a door bell kit to bash? Is their an original Flyer accessory? Any ideas? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33336	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips

Peter..... only .50?... Actually the higher bidder could have bid 100.00 more.... It only took .50 to beat you...... I have lost many, many times too.... In some cases I have seen bids jump by hundreds in the last few seconds...... My advice is to put your best bid in.... and try sniping.... but this is risky as you will prob. lose and not get a second chance... I just lost another by 1.00... just checked.... should have bid more......Bidding on a Circus set..... have bid high..... but who knows..... just keep trying...... Good Luck...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ebay bidding tips > > > I have just started to bid on ebay from S gauge equipment and I find that I > lose at the last moment. What is the secret to winning, short of bidding > very high? I lost 2 bids that were very low by 50 cents each. > > Peter Ervin > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33337	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips

i always open two auction windows, on to monitor the time left and current price and the other to place bid (already have password entered). the key is to wait until the last second (or bid high), also, i dont place any bids until the last seconds, because then the other bidders know there is competition, plus you pay less if you dont bid early. I hate it when two people bid back and forth for three days and cause the auction to jump $100! my 2 cents... -Michael Chicago, IL Tomsmic@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33338	From: Greg Klein	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: B & O Museum - BAAFC Operation Weekend

Final reminder -- This weekend, December 18 and 19, the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club along with a few members from the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be operating their modular layout at the B & O Museum in downtown Baltimore. The hours of operation are Saturday, 10:00 am to 5:00 pm and Sunday, Noon to 5:00 pm. For more details visit the B&O Museum website at http://www.borail.org/ Hope to see you all there. Happy Holidays to All and Have a Safe and Wonderful New Year!! Greg Klein Lovettsville, VA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33339	From: Paul	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Train Demo

I added some more pictures, these have people in them. It makes the event look more like a success. http://s-scale.org/albums/album15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33340	From: Phil K	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: ebay bidding tips

Peter -- I am an eBay veteran of over 500 purchases. Don't feel bad because you "just" lost an auction by 50 cents. The way the bidding works, the person who beat you by 50 cents actually may have bid $40 or $50 more than your highest bid. But they were the only bidder above you in an auction where the jump increments were only 50 cents. What the winner pays is not necessarily what they actually bid. I have bid $500 on a "gotta have it" auction where the final-seconds price was $400 and ended up winning with a final winning price [bid] of $420 because no one else jumped in with a higher bid before the auction ended. OTOH, I have also gotten boxed out at the last second by someone else who wanted the item much more. Ya rolls the dice, and ya takes yer chances. And by the way, there is no such thing as "sniping." In the past, I've gotten angry emails accusing me of "stealing" an auction with a winning bid in the last 10 seconds. There is no merit to these accusations, nor is it illegal to wait until the final seconds to place your first bid. That's how auctions work, plain and simple. Last second bids are just as legitimate as those placed during the first hour of an auction. If you really have to have an item, bid high. If you're bargain hunting, you can get some real deals, but you also run the risk of getting beat at the last second. That's just how it works. One other thing: in these days of lightning-quick T-1 lines and cable modems, anyone with a slower dialup modem is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to final-second eBay bidding. Also, check out the feedback rating of the seller. I avoid attractive, high-priced items when the seller has zero or little feedback, as they could be scams. I have also bought multiple items from the same sellers over the years, as I know through my past experience with them that they are fair and honest. We also had posts on this board where someone has spotted a scammer offering high-priced or rare items where the scammer just copied photos from someone else's previous auction and did a listing. As it says in eBay -- caveat emptor [Latin for "Let the Buyer Beware."] My personal policy is to limit my payment methods to PayPal or personal checks. If you ever get scammed, I think it's easier to track down the depositor from the bank account number on the back of a check. It can be fun, but be careful out there. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ervin <pjervin@h...> wrote: > > I have just started to bid on ebay from S gauge equipment and I find that I > lose at the last moment. What is the secret to winning, short of bidding > very high? I lost 2 bids that were very low by 50 cents each. > > Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33341	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Train Demo

***((((I added some more pictures, these have people in them. It makes the event look more like a success. http://s-scale.org/albums/album15)))**** Nice Paul,... I'll bet a good time was had by all!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33342	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: OUTBID

OK GUYS..... How's this for being OUTBID!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob jlh718 ( 0 ) US $300.00 Dec-14-04 13:07:55 PST chief-pile-it ( 1201) US $299.95 Dec-14-04 10:22:55 PST slsnursery ( 118) US $285.00 Dec-14-04 11:57:51 PST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33343	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: OUTBID - (eBay)

Bob, You made the cardinal eBay mistake - never bid a few cents under a dollar, always bid a few cents above a dollar. Especially never bid just under the next major round number!! Never bid $49.95 or $99.97 etc. You'll get sniped almost every time. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: MTH Sawmill

This is going to the TCA list and the S list: This is to Mike Duncan, who responded to my email about my MTH sawmill that I just purchased and some of the problems you had with your sawmill Mike. First of all, Mike, thanks for the response, as my Yahoo email account got turned off this weekend, so I didn't see your email till today! I am sorry that you are having problems with your sawmill, as I wrote, that my sawmill was for the future layout and it was still in the box. You wrote to me, to check it out, as you had some problems with yours. I did that today and thanks for getting to do that, as I had the same problem you had with yours. First when I pulled the unit out of the box, a tiny spring fall out, as I though nothing of it, but kept it, just in case. I set the sawmill up and the log stop working half way down the line, as you wrote the "knot" was in the way! Well, I thought, Oh no! As restringing a sawmill is not too hard. But I fiddle with the undersides for a moment, as I am not sure what I did, tugged on the line, maybe to loosen it up, as maybe it was getting caught somewhere else. I turned it over and it started to work fine, as the log now rolled all the way down and the man on the overhang came down and no lumber came out, like you said on yours. So, I knew this spring was for the lumber load part, as sure enough, the spring was missing. So, this spring, must of fallen out, as it was shipped half way around the world, as probably it was put in right from the beginning, as I am not the type who is good at things like this! Hey, I destroy a smoke unit once, fooling around with a Hudson, just by taking the engine out! LOL But, I got the spring on the unit fine, and now the whole sawmill works wonderful, just as good as my original sawmill, which is in LN condition as I didn't want to use that one on the layout. So, I think you may be missing that spring for the lumber part of the sawmill, Mike. At least I hope that is what it is the problem there. So, MTH should send you a spring. And try pulling on the string to see if that will free it up. Let me know what you find out, as my unit is great now. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33345	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)

Very true, i always bid numbers like 100.09, or 100.10, and whats great about this, if a bidder places a proxy bid of 100 (current bid stays at 80, or whatever) and you bid 100.01, you take the lead. but this only works with proxy bids, as you have to bid at least as much as the increment. -MT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33346	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)

Hey Bull........ I know..... I don't know why I did it..... I always bid odd amounts .13, .55, .72, etc......But how did .05 slip in????? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] OUTBID - (eBay) > > > > Bob, > > You made the cardinal eBay mistake - never bid a few cents under a > dollar, always bid a few cents above a dollar. Especially never bid > just under the next major round number!! Never bid $49.95 or $99.97 > etc. You'll get sniped almost every time. > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33347	From: Steven Halm	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)

--- bull_gator_1@... wrote: > You made the cardinal eBay mistake - never bid a few cents under a > dollar, always bid a few cents above a dollar. Especially never bid > just under the next major round number!! Yes, you should always bid whatever you think the logical bid would be plus the increment at that level. At the level in this auction the increment was 5.00, so if you think someone might bid 300, then the bid should be 305.01. Of course, if I'm in the auction, I'll bid 310.02 ;) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33348	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Lancaster, PA

Heading again, for the annual Christmas trip to Lancaster and Strasburg, PA, where the TCA museum is. Staying at the Best Western in Paradise, as we stay there last year and the hotel is wonderful. Quiet and comfortable for 80 a night, as we have dinner reservation for the Tavern at the hotel and two dinners at the Iron Horse Inn, that is always wonderful, even with the new owners, as they advertise in the TCA quarterly. Hope to see Bob Board again and his S Gauge Layout, 880 square feet. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33349	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Florida Train Show

Anyone know the date for the TCA meet in Largo? It is usually around the first week in February. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33350	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Does anyone know anything about this?

Does anyone know anything about this product or the seller? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5941775345&r d=1 g

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33351	From: Phil K	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Does anyone know anything about this?

Not from this seller, but I bought a similar CD about three years ago, also off eBay. The one I got was nothing more than scanned AF paper and instruction books in PDF format. As it turns out, the K- Line repair book I bought had MORE useful information. The CD didn't give me anything I didn't already have -- or could find on the internet. If you need exploded views to identify parts, Hobby Surplus has them on-line at: http://www.hobbysurplus.com/americanflyerlocodiagrams.asp Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <gchidester@m...> wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about this product or the seller? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5941775345&r > d=1 > > g

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33352	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)

Just before the winning bid was made, your current bid was at $290, $5 more than the earlier bid of $285. A bidder only had to increment $5 over $290. If he had bid 295.00-299.99, his bid would have been topped by your previous maximum. He bid $300 or more, however, and since that topped the current bid by more than $5 it would be valid so the system then looked for proxy bids of 295 or higher and found yours at $299.95, and his at $300 (or higher) and awarded the win to the higher one. Your bid of $299.95 never became the current price, so his bid didn't have to top it by $5. The system went to use both maximums at the same time and chose the higher one. Since a nickel higher is all that's needed to win a new bid comparison, Ebay only reported the winning bid as being a nickel more than yours. Even if his maximum was $600 the winning bid would still have been $300. --- robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > > Hey Bull........ I know..... I don't know why I did it..... I always bid odd > amounts .13, .55, .72, etc......But how did .05 slip in????? Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] OUTBID - (eBay) > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > You made the cardinal eBay mistake - never bid a few cents under a > > dollar, always bid a few cents above a dollar. Especially never bid > > just under the next major round number!! Never bid $49.95 or $99.97 > > etc. You'll get sniped almost every time. > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33353	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: S gauge magazines/clubs?

I have yet to subscribe to any S gauge magazines or join any clubs, but I am considering it. I'm a Hi-railer who runs just about anything S gauge. I'm not a Flyer collector but do use some old Flyer. What do you folks read? What groups do you belong to? Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33354	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: peopes

Hi all got in mail today one of those Scenic "Catalog of Model Scenery & Landscaping Materials". I think I recall other people on our train lists talking about them, but what impressed me with this catalog is the vastly expanded selection of "O" & "S" gauge stuff. Looks like the entire Arttista line with their new "S" line. They also have some big bucks buildings offered. Looks like a bunch of the Bar Mills stuff Saulenas Tavern, Majestic Hardware Wicked Wanda's (and they show figures of people that would fit in a Wicked Wanda's scene) I'm really impressed with the new catalog. Of course everything is at full retail they do not do much discounting on prices, but they have a vast selection of scenic stuff of all gauges and a lot of scenic stuff is usable without consideration to scale. Though could not find any wood coffee sticks. FrankieD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33355	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: question

I have an American Models E8 loco which came without an instruction manual of any kind. AM doesn't answer the phone; I did email them & should hear back, but it occurred to me that some of you might have the answer to my questions. #1 How do I make the horn work? #2 How do I keep it from creeping along the track even before I've engaged the AF transformer? #3 Can I turn off the diesel sound? Any other tips will be greatly appreciated as I am finally getting the bench work done on my layout & hope to be up & running soon. Hank Buehling The Dining Car

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33356	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: question

See answers below: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Buehling" <diningcar@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] question > > I have an American Models E8 loco which came without an instruction manual > of any kind. AM doesn't answer the phone; I did email them & should hear > back, but it occurred to me that some of you might have the answer to my > questions. > > #1 How do I make the horn work? Use a Lionel Railsounds button or get the 2 button controller from AM. I assume it also has a bell but you need 2 railsounds buttons or the 2 button AM controller to opoerate both horn and bell. If you want to make a controller from Radio Shack parts I can send you a diagram. > #2 How do I keep it from creeping along the track even before I've engaged > the AF transformer? Sounds like you have the AF transformer with the dead man control, which I hate. The AM can motor draws such low current to operate that it moves at the 7 Volt minimum output of the AF. The easiest answer is to get a simpler AF transformer with a real off position when turned way off. Loading some cars behind the loco willl help keep it rom lurching forward when turned on at min voltage. Flyer motors generally won't run at 7 volts, hence the accessories that hold a lockout voltage, like a semaphore, are effective. Your AM will not stop at 7 volts.. > Any other tips will be greatly appreciated as I am finally getting the bench > work done on my layout & hope to be up & running soon. I find the AM locos to be of great quality- I have many and like all of them. AM is pretty good at answering email within 3 days and I have had good service from Ron when oredering replacement detail parts like hand rails which are sometimes casualties when running our modular layout with too many engineers. > Hank Buehling > The Dining Car > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33357	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: S gauge magazines/clubs?

Join NASG at http://www.nasg.org/ and get the Dispatch magazine included with your membership. Another good one for hirail is the S Gaugian, at http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/index.htm On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge magazines/clubs? > > > > I have yet to subscribe to any S gauge magazines or join any clubs, > but I am considering it. I'm a Hi-railer who runs just about > anything S gauge. I'm not a Flyer collector but do use some old > Flyer. > What do you folks read? What groups do you belong to? > Stumpy Stone > Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33358	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT

- AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT Maybe We should start taking them a part & selling them this way ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5941946760&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33359	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: EZ-Air

Tom H. made note that we are an EZ-Air dealer, which is true. We added the EZ-Air line due to the difficulty in obtaining Del-Aire products over the past 18-24 months. EZA was begun by a prior DA dealer who was similarly frustrated, and decided to go it alone, so he started his own system of pneumatic controls. Yes, they are more expensive than DA, but I would have to say there is also a quality difference. As an example, the DA manifolds are plastic or vinyl....EZA manifolds are metal. DA motors are scale-specific; EZA motors are universal....the same motor is used for all scales. EZA is a good product, and right now it's the only game in town, if you want to go the pneumatic route. You'll find it on our website. We do still have some DA stock left on hand....but no motors and no toggles. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33360	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Outbid (ebay)

For what it is worth $0.01 is all that is needed to win a bid. A couple of months ago I won a bid on ebay by that amount. I had placed a bid of $30.00 for an item and had another bidder place a bid of $29.99 in the last few seconds of the auction. I won a pair of Gargraves switches for the $0.01 difference.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33361	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla

After 40+ years of O gauge 3 railing it, I have converted to "S" gauge/scale, and would like to know or get acquainted with perhaps other "S" gaugers in the NE Fla/SE Ga area. I have a 10 x 20 layout using S-trax by SHelper.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33362	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla

Tell me more.... I am in Jacksonville.... Bob....... RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtoytrain@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: New and located in NE Fla > > > After 40+ years of O gauge 3 railing it, I have converted to "S" gauge/scale, and would like to > know or get acquainted with perhaps other "S" gaugers in the NE Fla/SE Ga area. I have > a 10 x 20 layout using S-trax by SHelper. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33363	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT

i just picked up a brand new one from some train guy for $10, just to have a spare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT > > > - AMERICAN FLYER S 343 BOILER FRONT > > > Maybe We should start taking them a part & selling them this way ? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5941946760&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33364	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Photo Album

Being new to the group, I was wondering is there a time limit or quantity limit that can be posted to the Photo Album Section? I have posted pix of my layout under Jax-S-Trains, your help and advice is appreciated. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33365	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.Org Christmas Photos posted!

I see that many people are not finding the photo album. I have put more links on the website front page. If you click on the Erector Set photo you will taken right into the Photo Albums, then click on the top thumbnail, and you are right into my Christmas Photos. Thanks for visiting! Chuck Chuck Harrington wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I would like to invite you all to visit http://myflyertrains.org again >and enjoy the photos of my Christmas layout, as well as photos I took of >a mint Gilbert # 8 1/2 Erector Set. This is the set that built the >Ferris Wheel... > >Enjoy.... > >Chuck > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33366	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: New and located in NE Fla

Congratulations on "seeing the light". You will have much fun and some frustrations but "S" is the place to be. Be sure to get your hands on all 7 DVD volumes of "S-Gauge model railroading" put out by S'nS Trains. They have them on tape too. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33367	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Photo Album

Jerry, I know that Paul's photo areas are getting pretty full. I have agreed to host photos at my website, though I am the only person with albums there thus far. I have over 8gb of space empty! You can have a photo album there by just requesting it via email. The interface for the photos is exactly like Paul's, as I use the same photo album software. My only limitation is that the site is for Gilbert / S Train related photos, trains shows / S people, pictures of prototypes, etc. Not interested in getting into the business of hosting photos of your Aunt Minnie's wedding, etc ;) Later....Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org jmatsick wrote: > >Being new to the group, I was wondering is there a time limit or >quantity limit that can be posted to the Photo Album Section? >I have posted pix of my layout under Jax-S-Trains, your help and >advice is appreciated. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33370	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Parts needed.

I recently purchased a 312 and somehow in transit the siderods became disconnected and the screw that holds the linkage on the rear driver was lost. Anyone know the best way to replace such an item? gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33371	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Blatant ad

I'm back selling smoke fluid after a year off, check Paul's web site under parts or go to anormal1@.... You can contact me off list also. Thank you for the many requests, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33372	From: Phil K	Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Parts needed.

Doug Peck at www.Portlines.com carries just about every Gilbert Flyer replacement part available. Some are not available anywhere, but replacement/repro screws are usually easy to find. Phil K ********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <gchidester@m...> wrote: > > I recently purchased a 312 and somehow in transit the siderods became > disconnected and the screw that holds the linkage on the rear driver was > lost. Anyone know the best way to replace such an item? > > gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33373	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Scale riding over AF switches

Will the American Models Pacific run over AF switches without any problem? Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33374	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Route 95 sites

I will be flying from my home in Maryland to Tampa, Florida right after Christmas. I will return by car in late January via Interstate 95. What some interesting train related sites I will come close to on my return trip? I'm also hope to take a ride in a DC 3 airplane but I don't know where to find one Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33375	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches

Mine runs flawlessly running forward. If trackwork is not perfect it's prone to derail the locomotive trailing truck when backing from the point end. I think I made it less critical by making the truck pivot sloppier. If your switches are well leveled it may not derail at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scale riding over AF switches > > > Will the American Models Pacific run over AF switches without any problem? > > Peter Ervin > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33376	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches

I have one that I had to shim under the switch a little to level it and she runs thru fine now. Al P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scale riding over AF switches > > > Will the American Models Pacific run over AF switches without any problem? > > Peter Ervin > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33377	From: dvprc	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: American Models Pacific over Flyer switches

The solution to the problen of derailment of the trailing truck going backwards over Flyer switches is simple. Since I run trains a lot lot lot I needed to find a solution. Take out the trailing truck wheelset and substitute it with a regular Flyer freight car or caboose wheelset. Deeper flange -- problem eliminated. And yes it was a pain in the butt problem.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33378	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Come to Winter Wonderfest in Chicago

For those of you S-gaugers in or near Chicago or those visiting the area during the holidays, let me invite you to view a world-class layout done by Clark Dunham, who does train layouts when he isn't building sets for Broadway shows. Operating for 24 days a year, it is a major part of LaSalle Bank's Winter Wonderfest at Chicago's Navy Pier, which also features a bazillion Christmas lights, Christmas trees, Santa, educational Christmas exhibits, amusement park rides, junk food and other neat-o stuff for kids of all ages to do and enjoy. PLUS: Admission is free. MINUS: It will cost about $10-15 to park at Navy Pier if you opt to drive. Public parking anywhere in downtown Chicago is not cheap -- I pay $19 to park downtown for only 3 hours each Saturday morning when I go down to do my radio show. PLUS: There is plenty of cheap public transportation available that will drop you off at the front door. PLUS: The layout by Dunham Studios is absolutely worth seeing, if for nothing more than getting a gondola full of super ideas for your own layout from a master builder. Especially interesting is the creative use of Dallee electronic relays and the block system that (ostensibly) keep four trains running on the same huge loop without banging into each other without DCC or any other such electronics. All of the trains on the two big loops run off an AC transformer. Winter Wonderfest is running at Navy Pier in downtown Chicago now through January 2. Here is a link to Dunham Studios website, where you can see photos of the Navy Pier layout, built into a structure 40 feet high that resembles an old-time railroad station: http://www.dunhamstudios.com/navy.htm MINUS: The 20-25 trains constantly running are HO and O. PLUS: The Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers are part of a volunteer army of members of many local train clubs operating the layout. Here are the hours of operation, again through January 2: Sunday – Thursday 10 a.m. – 7:30 p.m. Friday and Saturday 10 a.m. – 9:30 p.m December 24 (Christmas Eve) 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. December 31 (New Year's Eve) 10 a.m. – 11:45 p.m. Closed Christmas Day I've already donated some time and plan to do so a few more times before Jan. 2 -- even though there's no S running (yet), it's great to see the looks on the kids' faces. And I've never been around O gauge except for seeing it on peoples' tables at shows, and after getting used to my S stuff, picking up boxcars to put them on the tracks feels like I'm grabbing heavy shoe boxes. LOL Hope to see some of you there, and Merry Christmas! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33380	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: A pat on the back is due...

...because tonight is the 35th Anniversary meeting of the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. A humongous cake will help mark the milestone. New/potential members are invited and welcome to join us. The gabfest/swap-a-rama starts at 7 PM and the meeting at 8PM, and a bunch of us go out afterwards for pizza, liquid refreshments and train talk afterwards. We meet at: St. Paul Lutheran School 1100 West Lake Street, Melrose Park which is about 500 feet north of the busy UP main line out of Chicago -- woo-woo! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33381	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Flyer on other's switches?

I might have sort of the reverse of Pete's problem in the near future. How about running American Flyer locos through S-Helper or American Models switches? My current little layout is Gargraves flex track and American Flyer switches which runs great but looks a bit funky. Layout number two is being planned now. Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33382	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 19, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33383	From: fiantoni	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Help with AF Switches

I built a layout for my son last Christmas with orginal equipment. Since he is a little guy the layout is on the floor on casters and he can crawl around on it and have fun. This has worked great and everything has survived quite well with the exception of the switches. The first problem is that I am not getting good electrical connections across the swtches resulting in a dead section of the layout. The second problem is that one of the switch frogs seems to have come loose and is riding too high creating a bump in the track and subsequent derailments. Are there any posts on switch repair? Going forward we are going to do a real train table next year using Gargraves track. Should I relegate the old switches to infrequently used sidings and buy new Gargraves switches? Should I try to pick up newer AF switches? Any help is appreciated. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33384	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Royal Blue or Not???

Hello All, Thanks to everyone who emailed regarding the "Royal Blue" I purchased recently. As I suspected it appears this was actually a repainted 354 or 356. This engine has a plastic shell, no slot in the center of the engine shell, has a smoke unit and choo choo, reverse in the tender and no grab irons. Can anyone recommend a way to slowly remove the blue paint to discover whether it is red underneath or silver? I assume if it was chrome it must have been stripped because the paint is smooth. The inside of the engine and tender shells have gray overspray, perhaps a primer for the repaint??? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33385	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Flyer on other's switches?

I run AF through AM switches all the time. The AF steam engine tender wheelbase is short enough that the engines stall if you creep through the switches, but at normal speeds they never have a problem and do not trip the reverse units. I rarely run AF diesels except for my Flyonel NP Alcos and they handle the AM switches OK. My original Flyer diesels are all pretty well worn in the wheel bearings and don't run well. They're relegated to display because my AM and SHS diesels run so much better that the expense of rebushing the AFs does not appeal to me. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer on other's switches? > > > > I might have sort of the reverse of Pete's problem in the near > future. How about running American Flyer locos through S-Helper or > American Models switches? > My current little layout is Gargraves flex track and American Flyer > switches which runs great but looks a bit funky. Layout number two > is being planned now. > Stumpy Stone in Ohio > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33386	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Scale riding over AF switches

I agree, Mine runs fine forward, but reverse is always a problem. Using a longer screw on the trailing truck helps, but doesn't totally solve the problem. Robert In a message dated 12/17/2004 7:29:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Re: Scale riding over AF switches [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33387	From: dvprc	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: American Models Steamer over Flyer switches

I should have added to my prior post that you will have to shave down the flyer wheels in the back to make them fit into the slots on the AM trailing truck. Just take a piece of sandpaper and rub the wheel flange side until the little hub disappears. That will be enough for the wheel to fit into the space on the trailing truck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33388	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Flyer on other's switches

"Stumpy Stone" asked, "How about running American Flyer locos through S-Helper or American Models switches?" I've had good experiences running AF through both the old and the new movable point frog SHS turnouts. One of the big advantages is that the frogs are not insulated so the reverse units aren't in much danger of activating. Although the SHS turnouts are the same as AF's, number 3, the movable point frog models can accept either AF or scale flanges because there is no open flangeway and no need for a guard rail. The only problem I've encountered with the SHS turnouts is American Models streamlined passenger cars rubbing the switch stand when going through the curved side of the turnouts. I don't know if AF streamliners rub also, but I doubt it. The SHS trackwork is so far better looking than AF or Gargraves that I think you'll really appreciate running on close-to-scale track. American Models is also close to scale, but the rails are 0.148 instead of 0.125 so it's higher than any prototype rail ever used. But it's so much better than AF or Gargraves that you may not mind. AM also has the advantage of 75° and 30° crossing diamonds for more interesting layouts. Enjoy! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33389	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: MU Cables

Being new to S gauge, I have purchased a number of great condition original Flyer engines along with Flyonel, a number of American Model engines, and S Helper. I love them all, but one is super great and that if the S Helper PRR F7 ABA set. Great running engine, but one problem not a problem but a pain is the MU cables, you dare not lift the ABA units off the track or the MU cables will come out and they are micro mini and hard to handle. How have some of you handled the situation. Don Thompson and Robin have been very kind to explain what needs to be done. Your comments appreciated Jerry M Jax Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33390	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Repair help

Greetings! Need some help from those in the group familar with Lionel. Worked on a 2025 tonight and in the process of disassembly a "U" shaped piece of metal rod came out before I could mark its position. It sets in slots in the chasis and is held in place by the front truck. Couldn't determine a function for this part and there seem to be several ways of installing it. So need some help with correct positioning. Thanks for any help you can provide! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33391	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Re: Repair help

Charlie, The piece connects the side rod to the smoke piston pushing the smoke piston up and down as the wheels turn. As the side rod moves forward it hits the arm of the crank piece raising the smoke piston. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Charlie and Edith [mailto:charlieandedith@...] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:27 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Repair help Greetings! Need some help from those in the group familar with Lionel. Worked on a 2025 tonight and in the process of disassembly a "U" shaped piece of metal rod came out before I could mark its position. It sets in slots in the chasis and is held in place by the front truck. Couldn't determine a function for this part and there seem to be several ways of installing it. So need some help with correct positioning. Thanks for any help you can provide! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33392	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/17/2004
Subject: Thanks to all!!!

A big thank you for all of those that let me know where I could find the missing screw for my 312. A bigger thanks to Keith for donating one to the cause! I could've paid the .50 cents which seems to be the going rate, but Thanks Keith! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33393	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: MU Cables

Dear Jerry, One solution is to get sound units in all units. I know this does drive up the cost, but all the units come with the speaker and sockets for the sound unit factory installed. The real advantage is the ability to run the B or trialing A as consists with other engines. In the 60's I have seen photos of F7 B units operating with Geeps, Alco RS units and even FA's. Don PS The sound is much richer, like stereo if all units have sound jmatsick wrote: > >Being new to S gauge, I have purchased a number of great condition >original Flyer engines along with Flyonel, a number of American Model >engines, and S Helper. I love them all, but one is super great and >that if the S Helper PRR F7 ABA set. Great running engine, but one >problem not a problem but a pain is the MU cables, you dare not lift >the ABA units off the track or the MU cables will come out and they >are micro mini and hard to handle. How have some of you handled >the situation. Don Thompson and Robin have been very kind to explain >what needs to be done. Your comments appreciated > >Jerry M >Jax Fl > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33394	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Royal Blue or Not???

The shell is definitely a Silver Bullet. A Circus would be cast metal like the original Royal Blue. I would leave it Royal Blue and enjoy. I doubt there is any original chrome paint underneath. I had come by a stripped plastic shell and painted it for Circus and use it with Circus cars. My friends enjoy it but it has little value since it is not original. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Royal Blue or Not??? > > > > Hello All, > > Thanks to everyone who emailed regarding the "Royal Blue" I purchased > recently. As I suspected it appears this was actually a repainted > 354 or 356. This engine has a plastic shell, no slot in the center of > the engine shell, has a smoke unit and choo choo, reverse in the > tender and no grab irons. Can anyone recommend a way to slowly > remove the blue paint to discover whether it is red underneath or > silver? I assume if it was chrome it must have been stripped because > the paint is smooth. The inside of the engine and tender shells have > gray overspray, perhaps a primer for the repaint??? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33395	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: S Helper and MU Cables

I asked a general question on how one handles the delicate MU cables provided by S Helper and failed to give my solution, which is I have a designated siding for the F7 ABA units,this eliminates picking up or removing the units from the layout. However i am going to follow Don Thompson of S-Helper's advice after Christmas and have the trailing F7B and trailing F7A units individually powered for operation and for "True Surround Sound" experience from all 3 units. Further I would like to compliment S Helper for producing a fantastic track, prior to converting to S gauge, my O gauge layout was made up of Lionel's Fastrack, however for a realistic looking layout i believe S-Helpers track is tops! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33396	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Lets Ask Questions

Since this is Christmas Week and lots of trains are setup and running now is a great time to ask questions. Don't be shy ask away. Merry Christmas Everyone Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33397	From: jt12313	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Layout building questions

Hello all, After too many decades of say that I'll build a layout I am finally doing so. While it will not be fancy or detailed, it will be more than track on a board. Ok... I intend to use a good amount of S trax and I know/have been told that it is glued down to the board but... How/when do I do that? Do I lay the track out, all assembled and wired up and lay a bead of glue along the edges, do I lift it up and glue it? Do I make brackets out of styrene plastic for bolsters and bolt it down to the board? do I set it on some homasote for extra sound deadening? Speaking of homosote and road beds.... I have a good amount of original flyer track and switches, How do I build a proper roadbed using flyer track? Do you cover the whole layout board with homasote and build up the areas where the track is going? What is the size of a regular s-scale railroad tie (since flyer track is lacking ties) What would you use for ballast. What kind of transformer should I use? I probably will need more that my trusty 60 watt That I got with a pikemaster set I bought over thirty years ago. Well any advice is helpful, I finished building a 12X6 bench in my shop and I will go shopping for some plywood to deck it and build some new kitchen cabinets after the holidays. Thanks Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33398	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions

***(((What kind of transformer should I use? I probably will need more that my trusty 60 watt That I got with a pikemaster set I bought over thirty years ago.)))*** Jeff, Your trusty 60 watter should work fine for a train......adding accessories (that need power) or other trains, you'll need, as Tim from "Tool-Time" would say,..."More Power!!." I can't help ya with your roadbed questions,...I myself just use Flyer track with Flyer rubber roadbed. And of course,...we'll need to see photos of your layout!! ;^)> Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33399	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: York - TCA - Motel/Hotel rooms

This new to S gauge railroading guy, is planning on first trip to TCA York Meet in April. Hoping someone can give insight to motel/ hotel rooms, thankin you in advance. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33400	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: York - TCA - Motel/Hotel rooms

Jerry.... lots will help.... go to the TCA site and look for Clems Primer to York..... The Tca meet is Fri and Sat..... But the Bandit meets start as early as Monday... Most usually get there by Tue AM.... You can Prob find somebody to ride around with while there... If I get a good price I will Fly again.... Delta shows 187.00 jax to Harrisburgh.... about 20 miles away.right now...... beats 1700+ miles of driving round trip.... There are about 6 or 7 indoor and outdoor meets at the bandit meets thru thursday..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmatsick" <jmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York - TCA - Motel/Hotel rooms > > > > This new to S gauge railroading guy, is planning on first trip to > TCA York Meet in April. Hoping someone can give insight to motel/ > hotel rooms, thankin you in advance. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33401	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: 300ac

Hi anyone have a 302 ac cast boiler front, if so please email with cost. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33402	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: S-Helper Switches?

Anyone have trouble with S-helper switches not throwing all the way? I just purchased some #3 turnouts and the first one out of the box is giving me some problems not throwing all the way and causing some derails. It looks to me that the rail is a little loose on the rivet that holds it in place. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33403	From: Terry	Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: AF Seaboard 970 Operating car

Does anyone know what the lever is for at the end of the 970 AF operating car? Thanks.......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33404	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: track

Frank asked: Should I relegate the old switches to infrequently used sidings and buy new Gargraves switches? Frank, My opinion is to stay away from Flyer and Gargraves track, unless you want to build a period layout. That said, you are left with American Models or S Helper trackage. You will hear lots of opinions here on the list and mine is either is fine. There are pros and cons to each, but the newer track systems are so superior to the old stuff that it is well worth the change. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33405	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: more on track

Chris Harding wrote: The SHS trackwork is so far better looking than AF or Gargraves that I think you'll really appreciate running on close-to-scale track. American Models is also close to scale, but the rails are 0.148 instead of 0.125 so it's higher than any prototype rail ever used. But it's so much better than AF or Gargraves that you may not mind. AM also has the advantage of 75° and 30° crossing diamonds for more interesting layouts. I agree, however according to AM's own advertising, their crossings are prone to stalling of ACG engines because of the large plastic frog. Therefore this blatant ad: I produce a crossing that matches the AM # 4 turnouts (about 14°) that features all metal frogs so there is no chance of stalling, no matter how slow you run your engines. While I'm at it, I also make a true #6 turnout with an open (prototypical), all metal frog design. Again, there is no chance of stalling because of the use of metal frogs. There are no hinges on the closure rails, so operation is very smooth. I have started tooling for a "drop in" replacement for the AM #4 turnout, but probably won't get back to it until after the holidays. For what it's worth, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33406	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Paint Remover

Hi Guys and Gals, I have a project going on with an old 651 mail car, can anyone tell me the best way to remove the paint. Thank You, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33407	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: track

I like the 'American S gauge' track. Comes in 5 ft. flex track pieces or sectional. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33408	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings

There are abbreviations on the sides of rolling stock. I do not understand what some of the marking mean. I have a tank car with two markings - CAPY and LT WT. I can figure out that CAPY is an abb. for capacity. However the LT in LT WT has me for a loss. Can someone please tell me what the LT stnds for. On a Southern Hopper the abb. LD LMT showes up. What does that represent ? On a box car the abbs . EXW 10-4 H 13-8 EW 9-4 H 16-5 IL 40-6 IW 9-2 H 10-6 CU FT3893 Built 5-97 X48 Some abb. are easy to read, however some are not. The American Flyer 639 does not have any of these abb. on it. Does anyone know why? If any of the abb. are in need of repair or replacement what is the best way to do it? Thank you for your consideration. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33409	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions

Hi Jeff: You lucky guy. You've got room for an S-Gauge layout! You can glue the S-Trax down with any number of materials or you can nail or screw it down. On our modular layout I believe the track was nailed down after the connections were made. I'd give some thought to adding a layer of homasote or insulation to your benchwork to deaden the sound. The S-Trax roadbed doesn't really do much in this respect. There's a big difference in the "look" of the S-Trax system track and original flyer. Are you sure you want to combine them? The original flyer track, and the K-Line new stuff, just screams "tin plate". The S-Trax gives more of a "scale appearance" to the layout. I would choose one or the other system based upon what you want to do with your scenery, accessories and buildings so the total "look" of your layout hangs together in generally the same "spirit". Either way is good from my point of view. I'd consider using the rubber roadbed if you decide to use original flyer style track. It helps quiet teh noise a little bit and adds the look of additional ties. You can get this roadbed from a number of sources. It's still a good idea to put this system on homasote or insulation as it still transmits quite a bit of noise. You can also get precut/shaped homasote roadbed, just look around a bit in Classic Toy Trains, S-Gaugian or the net. The size of your transformer is determined by the amount of stuff you want to run. The 60 watt unit will run one train adequately and a few accessories or some lights. If you have a full passenger train, six accessories and pairs of turnouts you want to be able to throw at the same time, your 60 watter will have trouble handling the load. I use a 100 watt 15B at shows and it barely runs the inner loop track and my accessories. My 18B does a better job and the club's 300 watt unit doesn't even blink. You can also set up several transformers and have some handle the accessories and some handle the trains. The late Tom Jarco wrote a number of articles about doing this successfully. Your 12 x 6 table top layout will be a stretch to scenic in the middle. Try to keep action accessories and turnouts out of the "no man's land" in the middle 12 inches of your six foot width. Makes it easier to keep things on the rails. If you are over 6'-6" tall you can drop the width to 6-inches. Have fun and let us know how it's going. There's a bunch of folks here that operate home layouts so you shouldn't have any difficulty getting a variety of opinions. Then it's up to you. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jt12313" <jt12313@A...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > After too many decades of say that I'll build a layout I am finally doing so. While it will not be fancy or detailed, it will be more than track on a board. > > Ok... > > I intend to use a good amount of S trax and I know/have been told that it is glued down to the board but... > > How/when do I do that? Do I lay the track out, all assembled and wired up and lay a bead of glue along the edges, do I lift it up and glue it? Do I make brackets out of styrene plastic for bolsters and bolt it down to the board? do I set it on some homasote for extra sound deadening? > > Speaking of homosote and road beds.... I have a good amount of original flyer track and switches, How do I build a proper roadbed using flyer track? Do you cover the whole layout board with homasote and build up the areas where the track is going? What is the size of a regular s-scale railroad tie (since flyer track is lacking ties) What would you use for ballast. > > What kind of transformer should I use? I probably will need more that my trusty 60 watt That I got with a pikemaster set I bought over thirty years ago. > > Well any advice is helpful, I finished building a 12X6 bench in my shop and I will go shopping for some plywood to deck it and build some new kitchen cabinets after the holidays. > > Thanks > > Jeff Tangeman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33410	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings

Only a wild guess........... EXW - overall exterior width above floor H - car height above floor EW - exterior width below floor line H - overall height IL - interior length clear IW - Interior width clear H - Interior height clear CU - cubic footage it holds Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: rolling stock markings > > > > There are abbreviations on the sides of rolling stock. I do not > understand what some of the marking mean. I have a tank car with two markings - CAPY > and LT WT. > I can figure out that CAPY is an abb. for capacity. However the LT in LT > WT has me for a loss. Can someone please tell me what the LT stnds for. > On a Southern Hopper the abb. LD LMT showes up. What does that represent > ? > On a box car the abbs . EXW 10-4 H 13-8 EW 9-4 H 16-5 > IL 40-6 IW 9-2 H 10-6 CU > FT3893 > Built 5-97 > X48 > Some abb. are easy to read, however some are not. > The American Flyer 639 does not have any of these abb. on it. Does > anyone know why? > If any of the abb. are in need of repair or replacement what is the > best way to do it? > Thank you for your consideration. > Bill > Greaves > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33411	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings

LT WT = light weight LD LMT = Load limit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33412	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings

What do the numbers next to capy, lt wt, and ld lmt mean? --- fredstrainparts@... wrote: > > LT WT = light weight > > LD LMT = Load limit __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33413	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: S-Helper Switches?

Dear Gary, We noticed a few weeks ago, that a few of our #3 switches were acting just as you described. Being we are in the process of getting another fun of these, we sent samples back to our engineer in Hong Kong. They reported back that a part that was heat stamped had a bit of excessive flash which prevented one of the internal throw bars from completing it's travel. We were told a jig would be made with a stop on it for the next run so this would not be a problem. Once we discovered these, we had our shipping department check all of the switches that are now shipped. Please return the problem child and we will replace. If you could be so kind as to include either a note of a copy of this e-mail, Robin will know why you have returned your switch. Best regards, Don Gary Chidester wrote: >Anyone have trouble with S-helper switches not throwing all the way? > >I just purchased some #3 turnouts and the first one out of the box is giving >me some problems not throwing all the way and causing some derails... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33414	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Layout building questions

Dear Jeff, We rarely glue down our track (unless the display will be portable and needs to be tilted to fit through doors> Usually the scenery prevents it from moving around. If you are not planning a perfectly flat desert or you are modeling the great plains, the slight changes in contour of the scenery (we use blue board with "Great Stuff" for embankments and rocks), we have not had a problem with the track moving. Even when we go to shows and just put the track on plastic "Lifetime" table, we have not had a problem. Don PS You should consider using Woodland Scenics "elevations" and "risers" to change the height of the right o' way, even if it is 1 percent up and down. www.woodlandscenics.com jt12313 wrote: >...S trax and I know/have been told that it is glued down to the board but... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33415	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: track

I certainly agree with Tom that the new track systems are far superior to the Flyer track and to gargraves. And if you want the flyer or gargraves track, I would still steer clear of Gargraves turnouts. My experience with Gargraves turnouts was so bad that I resent that S magazines will accept advertisements from Gargraves for their turnouts. I think they are that bad! - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33416	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: rolling stock markings

I found the answers along with all kinds of other good info at: http://www.rica.org/ind_info/glossary.html CAPACITY ( CAPY ): The nominal working load of a freight car expressed in pounds, gallons, or cubic feet which the car is designed to carry. This figure is stenciled on the car. LIGHT WEIGHT ( LT WT ): Weight of empty railroad car expressed in pounds. This figure is stenciled on the car. also referred to as Tare Weight. LOAD LIMIT ( LD LMT ): Absolute maximum allowable weight of load, including both net weight and dunnage, that a freight car is authorized to carry. This figure is stenciled on the car. DUNNAGE: Material used to secure load to car or balance load. Dunnage is not part of car and is not part of actual load proper. Also the weight of such material. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33417	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 19, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33418	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: more on track

So tell us more.... prices, etc. BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] more on track Chris Harding wrote: The SHS trackwork is so far better looking than AF or Gargraves that I think you'll really appreciate running on close-to-scale track. American Models is also close to scale, but the rails are 0.148 instead of 0.125 so it's higher than any prototype rail ever used. But it's so much better than AF or Gargraves that you may not mind. AM also has the advantage of 75° and 30° crossing diamonds for more interesting layouts. I agree, however according to AM's own advertising, their crossings are prone to stalling of ACG engines because of the large plastic frog. Therefore this blatant ad: I produce a crossing that matches the AM # 4 turnouts (about 14°) that features all metal frogs so there is no chance of stalling, no matter how slow you run your engines. While I'm at it, I also make a true #6 turnout with an open (prototypical), all metal frog design. Again, there is no chance of stalling because of the use of metal frogs. There are no hinges on the closure rails, so operation is very smooth. I have started tooling for a "drop in" replacement for the AM #4 turnout, but probably won't get back to it until after the holidays. For what it's worth, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33419	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: AF Seaboard 970 Operating car

Terry That is for ajusting the vibrating man platform if he is not moving correctly. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <tlcornelius@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: AF Seaboard 970 Operating car > > > > Does anyone know what the lever is for at the end of the 970 AF operating car? > Thanks....... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33420	From: robohat	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?

Hello; Does anyone know if the 1954 or 1955 American Flyer catalogs are posted anywhere? I would like to recreate the Flyer set of my youth, now long gone. It was a Christmas gift in one of those 2 years, and I thought that the catalog might help me to identify the set or pieces that I need to search for. Thanks...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33421	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: more on track

I don't care what anybody said,I like flyer track and switches because that is the way I remember it when I was a kid.Also I like the sound that the TOY trains make without any road bed.I know I am strange. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] more on track Chris Harding wrote: The SHS trackwork is so far better looking than AF or Gargraves that I think you'll really appreciate running on close-to-scale track. American Models is also close to scale, but the rails are 0.148 instead of 0.125 so it's higher than any prototype rail ever used. But it's so much better than AF or Gargraves that you may not mind. AM also has the advantage of 75° and 30° crossing diamonds for more interesting layouts. I agree, however according to AM's own advertising, their crossings are prone to stalling of ACG engines because of the large plastic frog. Therefore this blatant ad: I produce a crossing that matches the AM # 4 turnouts (about 14°) that features all metal frogs so there is no chance of stalling, no matter how slow you run your engines. While I'm at it, I also make a true #6 turnout with an open (prototypical), all metal frog design. Again, there is no chance of stalling because of the use of metal frogs. There are no hinges on the closure rails, so operation is very smooth. I have started tooling for a "drop in" replacement for the AM #4 turnout, but probably won't get back to it until after the holidays. For what it's worth, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33422	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?

Go into Chucks Page....all cat. shown.... Bob http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album09?page=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robohat" <ROBOHAT@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere? > > > > Hello; Does anyone know if the 1954 or 1955 American Flyer > catalogs are posted anywhere? I would like to recreate the Flyer > set of my youth, now long gone. It was a Christmas gift in one of > those 2 years, and I thought that the catalog might help me to identify > the set or pieces that I need to search for. Thanks... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33423	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Weekend Layout

This past weekend, the newly forming Pequea (PEKWAY) Valley Model Railroaders had a Sub Sale at the local Dutchmans' Farm Market. We took our 4 X 7 layout along. The layout features an S-Helper PRR starter set and Plasticville bldgs with some A/F, K-Line and Lionel accessories. The layout next appears at the TCA Keystone Div Winter Meet, Jan 15th 2005. The S-Helper set ran flawlessly, having at least 60 running hrs on it now. We cannot account for the number of hours it ran in a store window display last Christmas. Almost everyone who saw the layout smiled immediately, some wives were able to "park" their husbands while they shopped, women were more likely to push the operating buttons then men. Children, for the most part, needed little or no encouragement to push the buttons and look around to see what happened when they did. Many Amish folks of all ages checked out the layout also. I did mention to more than one father that the set would run on battery power (most Amish have no electricity) with an inverter. They seemed to know that. The most exasperating occurrence was a mother I've known since she was a toddler watching her prox 10 yr old son try (diligently) to damage the PRR diesel loco and the cars. She never told him to stop, never said no, never moved a muscle to take him away from the layout. She got his attention when she mentioned his "grandpa" would not be happy with his behavior. Hopefully, he didn't get the pleasure of realizing he did break a handrail. Wonder how long before we read his name in the "Police Log". MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL. Jim Lyle (STILL livin' on the KEYSTONE Main) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33424	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

So tell us more.... prices, etc. BOB Bob and all, I finally have posted some of my products at Paul's turnout info site: http://s-scale.org/albums/album33. I hope the comments tell the whole story and will certainly be adding more as the questions come in. The turnouts and crossing are R-T-R except for the wiring of the all metal frogs which will be up to the installer. I am using code 148, non-corrosive brass rail to match the AM trackage system. If demand dictates, I will be offering other rail options in the future. I am offering only items that are not on the S market, which means Hi-rail only. Some S scalers have asked me to make turnouts for them, but they can get trackwork from many different sources. My aim is not to compete, rather to augment what is available in the S gauge Hi-rail market. Prices are $30.00 each for the #6's and $45.00 for the #4 crossing. Thank you for the interest, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33425	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars

Capy. (capacity) is volume in cubic feet.. Lt. Wt. (light weight) is the empty weight of the car. Ld. Lmt. (load limit) is the maximum weight of the car's load in pounds. Dick Karnes ================ Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: RE: rolling stock markings What do the numbers next to capy, lt wt, and ld lmt mean?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33426	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere?

Go to: http://www.myflyertrains.org/ It's one of the best Flyer sites on the net!!! Just click on the "Gilbert Catalogs" link and you'll get all the info you need to help you out!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "robohat" <ROBOHAT@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1954 or 1955 Flyer catalogs posted anywhere? > > > > Hello; Does anyone know if the 1954 or 1955 American Flyer > catalogs are posted anywhere? I would like to recreate the Flyer > set of my youth, now long gone. It was a Christmas gift in one of > those 2 years, and I thought that the catalog might help me to identify > the set or pieces that I need to search for. Thanks... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33427	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/19/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars

On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:41 PM, nasglibrary wrote: > > > Capy. (capacity) is volume in cubic feet.. > Lt. Wt. (light weight) is the empty weight of the car. > Ld. Lmt. (load limit) is the maximum weight of the car's load in > pounds. > Dick Karnes > ================ Capacity is the maximum weight of load weight allowed round off. Has nothing to do with cu ft Volume of car. LD LMT is the maximum weight of car Lt WT plus load. IOW the total weight that the bearings of the car can carry Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Tomorrow is an other day and we'll probably mess it up also.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33428	From: Paul	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Sites Down

S-Scale.org , S-Scale Photo Albums and PaulYorke.com are all down. We have exceeded the bandwidth maximum. In other words they are just too darn popular. This is a good thing. I have contacted the hosting company and requested more bandwidth. I will let you know when the doors have reopened. Thanks, Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33429	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific over Flyer switches

I tried this fix and it worked, though the trailing truck sags in the back because of the smaller wheels if you look closely. I had to remove some of the wheel hub thickness to clear the truck frame. I also tried it with a Flyer trailing truck wheelset and it had a problem- the larger wheels hit the frame on Flyer 20" radius track and took weight off the drivers so the engine slipped. The small wheels are in place now but I may while I search for a better solution. I might try increasing clearance next by dremeling off a bit of the casting where the Flyer wheels hit. Have to think it out thoroughly before I attack the AM frame. Does anyone know of an in between wheel diameter? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dvprc" <DPDB@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Pacific over Flyer switches > > > > The solution to the problen of derailment of the trailing truck > going backwards over Flyer switches is simple. Since I run trains a > lot lot lot I needed to find a solution. Take out the trailing > truck wheelset and substitute it with a regular Flyer freight car or > caboose wheelset. Deeper flange -- problem eliminated. And yes it > was a pain in the butt problem. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33430	From: Paul	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Back OnLine

I am happy to say we are back on line. Sorry for the outage. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33431	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Starter Set are Definite

For those of us who strongly believe that low cost, virtually indestructible starter set (ala what AC Gilbert built) are a neccesity to get young children into S gauge, there is extremely good news. As I reported previously, K-Line will have inexpensive starter sets in time for next Christmas. This was originally told to me by Maury Klein (owner of K-Line) several weeks ago and was confirmed by Nick Ladd, Sales Director for K-Line, yesterday at our Southeastern TCA Christmas Meet in Raleigh. K-Line will be having two catalogs each year in the future, one large catalog and one small catalog. The two sets will be a diesel set headed by the Plymouth switcher and a Steam Loco set, based on the popular K-Line 3000 series loco that is a re-tooling and upgrade of an old Marx loco. This should tremendously assist the growth of S gauge. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33432	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite

I will get 1 for my Granddaughter.... she's 39 months old.... had her all day yesterday to take downtown to see a train layout..... Yuck....Ho..... anyway at my home I turned around and she had a LN 978 (That goes with the 5 didget HW pass cars in her little hands..... Look pa pa too too.... I grabbed fast!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "Doug Peck" <portlines@...>; "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Starter Set are Definite > > > For those of us who strongly believe that low cost, > virtually indestructible starter set (ala what AC > Gilbert built) are a neccesity to get young children > into S gauge, there is extremely good news. As I > reported previously, K-Line will have inexpensive > starter sets in time for next Christmas. This was > originally told to me by Maury Klein (owner of K-Line) > several weeks ago and was confirmed by Nick Ladd, > Sales Director for K-Line, yesterday at our > Southeastern TCA Christmas Meet in Raleigh. > > K-Line will be having two catalogs each year in the > future, one large catalog and one small catalog. The > two sets will be a diesel set headed by the Plymouth > switcher and a Steam Loco set, based on the popular > K-Line 3000 series loco that is a re-tooling and > upgrade of an old Marx loco. > > This should tremendously assist the growth of S gauge. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33433	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite

That's great news, Joe, and hopefully it will lead kids to SHS and AM and Flyonel in later years. Phil K, freezing in Chicago ********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > > For those of us who strongly believe that low cost, > virtually indestructible starter set (ala what AC > Gilbert built) are a neccesity to get young children > into S gauge, there is extremely good news. As I > reported previously, K-Line will have inexpensive > starter sets in time for next Christmas. This was > originally told to me by Maury Klein (owner of K-Line) > several weeks ago and was confirmed by Nick Ladd, > Sales Director for K-Line, yesterday at our > Southeastern TCA Christmas Meet in Raleigh. > > K-Line will be having two catalogs each year in the > future, one large catalog and one small catalog. The > two sets will be a diesel set headed by the Plymouth > switcher and a Steam Loco set, based on the popular > K-Line 3000 series loco that is a re-tooling and > upgrade of an old Marx loco. > > This should tremendously assist the growth of S gauge. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33434	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: My Polar Express sets experience, and a good call...

We saw the Polar Express movie on November 11, the day after it hit theatres here in Chicago. Great movie, highly recommended for kids and adults -- especially if you love steam. That day, I also saw an ad in a local newspaper for the Lionel Polar Express sets, from a hobby shop nearby. A hobby shop that refuses to sell S, by the way. Sensing an opportunity to make a few bucks (to buy more Flyer), I went there and said "I'll take four sets." I intended to sell them on eBay right away. The hobby shop was asking $250 -- but the guy did not have any. "They'll be in within a week," he said triumphantly. "Ten days tops, and you'll have it before Thanksgiving. But I can only sell you one. They're in great demand, and I could sell them on eBay for $500. In fact, I am just about to sell out my entire allotment -- we may have only a handful left from what we're getting." So I left my name and phone number and headed home. My wife went there and also was put on the waiting list. I also began to wonder why he wouldn't sell them on eBay himself if sellers were getting $500 a set -- heck, he's in business to make money, after all. I did see a few Polar Express sets listed on eBay for anywhere from $300 to $500 -- but they weren't selling at that price. So I decided to forget about the whole thing. Until about 20 minutes ago. The hobby shop finally called -- 40 DAYS LATER --and the lady said my set was in, and they might even be able to sell me the four I had requested. Then she suddenly changed her mind, and demanded a credit card number right away to hold one set until I could pick it up later today. And next she said I could have all four sets a couple days after Christmas, too. Hmmmmmm.... A friend of mine who collects Lionel told me the Big L would probably continue making the sets, and while the first sets were selling very quickly before Christmas, they would not be very collectible, and his opinion was they'd be selling for no more than retail after Christmas, anyway. So I told the hobby shop lady to forget it, and told my wife to do likewise when she got the call. Then I looked for the sets on eBay -- listing from $500 to about $240 -- and counted at least 91 that were not selling. I just broke my arm patting myself on the back for making a good call on that one -- and not getting stuck with $1000 worth of Lionel I couldn't sell. Now it'll really be a great Christmas, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33435	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: My 2004 Christmas layout pics

Right here.... http://s-scale.org/albums/albun39 Happy Holidays to all!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33436	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: k-line

Joe wrote" based on the popular K-Line 3000 series loco that is a re-tooling and upgrade of an old Marx loco." If this is the same loc as the Santa fe 4-6-2 I just bought ,this would be great news for S. I bought the loc for around 55 bucks,new, has air whistle (like the old lionel) and decent detailing compared to flyer stuff. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33437	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: My 2004 Christmas layout pics

Looks great, Rick. Thanks for sharing it. Dick Aurora, OH At 03:58 PM 12/20/2004, Rick Evans wrote: >Right here.... http://s-scale.org/albums/albun39 > >Happy Holidays to all!!! > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33438	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: New S Layout

After converting to S gauge after 40 plus years of O gauge 3 railing, I have released photos of my new S Layout on: Myflyertrains.org page two Jerry Matsick Jacksonville --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33439	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: "Classic Toy Trains"

If anyone is interested in a complete set of "Classic Toy Trains" magazines from the very first issue until the beginning of this year and doesn't mind paying the postage from Australia on top of the cost of the magazines I am open to reasonable offers. Please contact me privately. Thanks, John Harvey ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 17/12/04 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33440	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2503

Subject: RE: Paint Remover Hi Guys and Gals, I have a project going on with an old 651 mail car, can anyone tell me the best way to remove the paint. Thank You, Don Rodgers Removing paint from plastic is tricky. If the paint has etched into the plastic there is no way to remove the paint. Soaking the car ( 4 to 5 months ) in a mixture of ammonia, mr.clean, and 50% water will remove most paint. Portline hobbies sells scalecoat # 56 paint remover for plastic this works well, use care and time. DON'T use brake fluid, it works, but has add'l ingredients which is good for brakes only. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33441	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Re: New S Layout

Jerry - That looks great! Do you have a trackplan you can share? Best wishes for a Safe and Happy Holiday Season. Dick Aurora, OH At 05:33 PM 12/20/2004, Jerry Matsick wrote: >After converting to S gauge after 40 plus years of O gauge 3 railing, I >have released photos >of my new S Layout on: Myflyertrains.org page two > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonville > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! ­ What will yours do? > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33442	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Updated Layout Photos

Hi Group, I have finally added some photos of the layout progress. This sure is a great hobby and I am having such fun. http://S-scale.org/albums/albun20/100_464 Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all ... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33443	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2004
Subject: Looking for a late PA Dummy chassis (metal only)

Hi all, I have a friend who needs to find a good condition sheet metal chassis for a PA Dummy unit, but it's the late style, with the piece spot welded on so both dummy trucks are the short ones. The ACG part number is XA13B422-A . I assume it's an XA because a piece of metal was spot weleded to a "regular chassis" to make it (XA denotes an assembly of some kind, unlike PA which indicates a single part). Email me off-list if you have one available! Thanks! S' David Dewey djdewey@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33444	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: classroom layout

A couple of weeks ago I finally made it on chat. I mentioned that I was thinking about having my current 6th grade class build a layout for charity. Someone encouraged me to go for it. This will was my second time doing this with a class. The first one went to a local senior center two years ago. With the help of my sons and wife today, the layout is ready to deliver to a women's and children's rescue mission tomorrow. These are people who have probably never experienced toy trains and may never again. After rebuilding several 21160s, I found that they all ran hot. I was considering using a Pacific or Atlantic but wanted to keep things as simple and low maintenance as possible. Enter the Casey Jones. Easy to run and virtually indestructible. Will send pictures tomorrow, Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33445	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Starter Set are Definite

Thanks Joe: More good news for the coming year. In honor of this occasion, I'll circle us back to a discussion that is held here periodically. What have you done lately to share your hobby with a non-hobbiest or kid? I ask this not to be a pain in the behind, "but", to get us thinking about the coming year and the possibilities that lie ahead. In the last several years we "train guys" have had a lot of help promoting the hobby from those in the entertainment industry. First and foremost there's Sir Thomas and friends. Then the books, and afterwards the movies with "Arry Potter". And now the Polar Express has come along and put a train in the midst of an imaginative tale. Toss in Natty Gann and Back to the Future III while we're at it. All these stories create opportunities for imaginative play and THAT is at the heart of being a kid. Trains captured the imagination of our generation partly becasue they were an escape route to adventure. I suspect a lot of us now do it as a remembrance of things past. Both are good things. Both are healthy outlets for our imaginations, and, we also learn how to master a lot of different skills in the process. Electrical systems, mechanical systems, carpentry, miniturization, urban planning, art and scenic design, architecture and history, plan reading and development and the value of a cooperative effort. Not a bad list of life skills for doing something as fun as "playing with trains". So, now K-Line is going to help put us in the game with the 8 year olds. Can everyone think of a way to "spread the joy?" Can't wait to tell mom's and dad's at out next show, "yeah, you can get an S-Gauge starter set this Christmas for junior. Oh, and by the way mam, Your husband might like to check out those American Models engines over there. MAybe i'll have to try and participate in "take a train to work day" next year or set up a display at work during Christmas. Or be sure and invite a kid and parent i know to come see our layout when it's set up for a weekend. Although ultimately the gauge of the train you run isn't as important as the fact that you take up the hobby. Or even A hobby. Make hay while the sun shines. Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33446	From: beebear	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Earily Christmas presents

My wife and I went to a train show here in Toledo last Sunday and I got to pick out my Christmas presents this year. I ended up getting 3 trailer haulers. I don't know the "Official" train name of them but 2 of them are Conrail and the 3rd on is Southern Pacific. I have the 2 Conrail's displayed with my "critter -yet to be finished" here on my website ... http://members.buckeye-express.com/beebear/pics/aftrains.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33447	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Jerry Matsick Layout & Steamtown Photos

Hello All, Hope you are having the best holiday season ever. Jerry Matsick posted regarding his layout pictures, and thought I would give a little more specific directions for any who might need them... go to http://myflyertrains.org/ Click on Albums, then click on Page 2 Also there, nearly 300 photos I took at Steamtown in October. I stayed up until 1 am last night uploading these... In particular, in the last couple pages of the Album are photos of the Pacific Steam engine being put to bed in the roundhouse. These are great! Later....Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33448	From: D Stoll	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: non-revolving beacon

I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33449	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Paint removal

- GreetingS - Jerry Dobbs kindly responded to a question concerning an old 651 mail car. Thanks for that response, Jerry. Perhaps someone will tell me if this is good advice for the early white plastic that AF used. The 65X heavyweight combine on the layout was painted by a previous owner with thick Pennsy red. It can be left as is. Better that than have some unknown solvent get into the white material. A 360 on the layout suffered this fate. The unknown solvent began to wrinkle and shrink it. I first saw this damage taking place three or four years ago, mostly in the middle of the carbody. I cut the cab and the back end off, hoping to salvage them. They have continued to wrinkle and shrink. Happily I came across a good carbody to put on the chassis. Maybe I have just talked myself into keeping the combine in its present paint. Merry ChristmaS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33450	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2504/ oN TRACK

I'm using AF track for my yard area and SHS-track for the rest of the layout, the AF track on roadbed matches the S-trak height. I even built a reverse loop with a 695 and S Trak switch. The re-engineered switches are much better; more dependable. I build temp layouts on a 12X8 burlap rug backing piece and will one day buy an old church or armory and build a 84X28 dream layout... after my lottery win--Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33451	From: Phil K	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Steamtown Photos

Chuck -- I made it to Steamtown late summer of 2003 and felt like a kid in a candy shop, and took a ton of photos as well. It is now my favorite National Historic Park. With so much steam stuff going on everywhere I looked, it was as if I'd been transported back to the 1940s. Really, really cool -- and for anyone heading there in the future, it is a must to stay at least one night in the Lackawanna Radisson Hotel, which is in the restored Scranton railroad station, a magnificent art deco showpiece in itself and only two blocks from Steamtown. What did bother me is the number of locomotives allowed to sit outdoors, specifically the Big Boy. When I was there, the yard was full of old steamers and diesels showing signs of rust and decay. Soapbox time: Presently, there are too many retired steam locomotives still on display outdoors in parks, etc., all over the United States that are being subjected to the detrimental effects of weather. They'll never manufacture another of these behemoths again, and my personal wish is that enough concerned parties get involved to get them all some protection [under a roof at minimum, but indoors would be great] so that future generations, in 100 and 200 years, will still be able to see and enjoy them as they were. It makes me want to cry when I hear stories of outdoor display steamers that due to a lack of money and/or interest were allowed to rust and deteriorate and sadly, ended up getting scrapped. If towns don't want to maintain them anymore, give them to someone who really appreciates them and will care for their future. Merry Christmas all! Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Hope you are having the best holiday season ever. > > Jerry Matsick posted regarding his layout pictures, and thought I would > give a little more specific directions for any who might need them... > > go to http://myflyertrains.org/ > > Click on Albums, then click on Page 2 > > Also there, nearly 300 photos I took at Steamtown in October. I stayed > up until 1 am last night uploading these... > > In particular, in the last couple pages of the Album are photos of the > Pacific Steam engine being put to bed in the roundhouse. These are great! > > Later....Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33452	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: New email address

Hi Folks Please note my new email address foleys1@... John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS foleys1@... www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33453	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Gilbert Paper Book

Group, The January issue of the TCA Train Collectors Quarterly has a review of a new(?) book entitled "Steve's Guide To Gilbert Paper, 1938 Thru 1966". Does anyone know where this book can be purchased? I checked the internet, but found no listing. Walt Danylak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33454	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon

You will now get the usual 101 ways to assure your beacon works- hotter bulbs, Marx rotating heads and Lord knows what else. These all seem to fail over time - I think because the bulbs lose something as they turn gray inside over time. I should mention I'm using older transformers with 16V output and 18V might work better. However, the only permanent solution I found with experimentation is to use an aquarium pump with tiny silicon tubing carrying air to the underside of the rotating head. It drives the head by hitting the formed vanes. You can get the tubing as clear fuel tube from a model airplane hobby source. Use the smallest you can find and snake it up the tower by the center post. Experiment to find the best place to position the output. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Stoll" <omaha@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] non-revolving beacon > > > > I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at > the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, > new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on > settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? > Doug > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33455	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack

The Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack arrived today. The cars are beautiful. This will be an impressive set when the Mikado and the other cars arrive. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33456	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Gilbert Paper Book

We have it in stock, Walt! << From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@...> Subject: Gilbert Paper Book Group, The January issue of the TCA Train Collectors Quarterly has a review of a new(?) book entitled "Steve's Guide To Gilbert Paper, 1938 Thru 1966". Does anyone know where this book can be purchased? I checked the internet, but found no listing. Walt Danylak >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33457	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Steamtown Photos

Hi Phil, The NASG Convention was in Steamtown in 2001. Yes most large steam locos were outside. The NASG Convention in 2003 was in Wisconsin and on the way I stopped in Michigan at the Ford Museum. An Allegheny is on display inside the museum. They say the museum was built around the locomotive. It would cost a lot of money to put all those locos under roof. Perhaps in 100 years the only steam will be in books or S gauge layouts. I heard recently that the Lackawanna Radisson was sold to a college and may become a college building. Correct me if I am wrong. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Steamtown Photos > > > Chuck -- > > I made it to Steamtown late summer of 2003 and felt like a kid in a > candy shop, and took a ton of photos as well. It is now my favorite > National Historic Park. With so much steam stuff going on everywhere > I looked, it was as if I'd been transported back to the 1940s. > Really, really cool -- and for anyone heading there in the future, > it is a must to stay at least one night in the Lackawanna Radisson > Hotel, which is in the restored Scranton railroad station, a > magnificent art deco showpiece in itself and only two blocks from > Steamtown. > > What did bother me is the number of locomotives allowed to sit > outdoors, specifically the Big Boy. When I was there, the yard was > full of old steamers and diesels showing signs of rust and decay. > > Soapbox time: Presently, there are too many retired steam > locomotives still on display outdoors in parks, etc., all over the > United States that are being subjected to the detrimental effects of > weather. They'll never manufacture another of these behemoths again, > and my personal wish is that enough concerned parties get involved > to get them all some protection [under a roof at minimum, but > indoors would be great] so that future generations, in 100 and 200 > years, will still be able to see and enjoy them as they were. > > It makes me want to cry when I hear stories of outdoor display > steamers that due to a lack of money and/or interest were allowed > to rust and deteriorate and sadly, ended up getting scrapped. > If towns don't want to maintain them anymore, give them to someone > who really appreciates them and will care for their future. > > Merry Christmas all! > > Phil K > > ***************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington > <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > Hope you are having the best holiday season ever. > > > > Jerry Matsick posted regarding his layout pictures, and thought I > would > > give a little more specific directions for any who might need > them... > > > > go to http://myflyertrains.org/ > > > > Click on Albums, then click on Page 2 > > > > Also there, nearly 300 photos I took at Steamtown in October. I > stayed > > up until 1 am last night uploading these... > > > > In particular, in the last couple pages of the Album are photos of > the > > Pacific Steam engine being put to bed in the roundhouse. These are > great! > > > > Later....Chuck > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33458	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon

Well, I guess I can post it again..... There are poor repro beacon tops on the market, and there are even poorer beacon bulbs on the market! (a) Use our repro beacon top ($7.50) and (b) use our beacon bulb ($1.50), and (c) wire your beacon to its own dedicated transformer, even if it's just a cheap 40-watt piece. If it doesn't work, return top and bulb for a full refund! We guarantee our tops with our bulbs ! Usually, you won't even have to do (c), but it's still a good idea to do so. <<< From: "D Stoll" <omaha@...> Subject: non-revolving beacon I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33459	From: roy inman	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Public thank you

I want to say a big public "thank you" to Don Thompson of S-Helper Service for getting my turnouts to me so quickly. Consequently, my two SHS AT&SF SW-9's are happily, and quite smoothly, traversing the oval under the tree, pulling a mixed freight which includes the blinking nose Rudolph box car from Christmas past. Happy holidays to Don, Robin and all the other S-gaugers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33460	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars

ljack70117@... wrote: > Capacity is the maximum weight of load weight allowed round off. Has > nothing to do with cu ft Volume of car. > LD LMT is the maximum weight of car Lt WT plus load. IOW the total > weight that the bearings of the car can carry > Thank you > Larry Jackman Larry is correct, of course... Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33461	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

We at S-'n-S Trains want to thank you all for your support this year. It was the best year so far for us and we were able to attend four train conventions including the Nation Train Show in Seattle, TTOS national in Fresno, Flyer Fest West and S-West, both in central California. Our new track cleaning cars have been well taken so far and we make them in both "S" and "O" gauge. Sam is kept very busy assembling them, and I stay busy installing can motors and sound unit in Flyer Locos. Merry Christmas and any other holiday you celebrate this time of year as well as a joyous New Year to all. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33462	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/21/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal

Greetings, My thanks to the "group" for its help in getting the 2025 operational! It will be a great addition to our friend's Christmas tree and his grandchildren's enjoyment. Now I would like to "tackle" a bell danger signal. The "clang" is not very loud and turns to a "clumk" when the roof is on the shed. Minor adjustments and attempts to insulate the roof did not improve the situation. The bell is not cracked and the clapper is rounded at the top. This has me puzzled so any thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33463	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Hudson tender questions

As some of you may recall, one of my junker projects is a AF Hudson which is in sad shape. Recently I came upon some parts including a complete tender with a cracked and gouged shell, but it has the trucks and handrails missing from my Hudson junker. I'll swap parts to make a decent one of course. Question; Did the Hudson tenders have a weight in them? Neither of mine do. Was the diecast shell considered heavy enough? I'm going to try to "save" the damaged shell with some JB Weld and bondo, and do handrails out of piano wire. It would be passable for another project I have in mind. Stumpy Stone...making them live again...Dr. Crankenstein...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33464	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Non-Rotating Beacon

Reply to: "I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat?" The first thing I would check is - what is the voltage at the lamp socket? Use voltmeter probes and verify the voltage is 16 or more volts. A different transformer may be needed to solve the problem, or a larger gauge wire making the connection to the beacon. A new bulb can possibly solve the problem if caused only by an aged bulb. Merry Christmas Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33465	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Off topic - Retired Steam

Phil K wrote: Soapbox time: Presently, there are too many retired steam locomotives still on display outdoors in parks, etc., all over the United States that are being subjected to the detrimental effects of weather. >>> Phil, I'm so happy to report that "Big Mike," the retired UP Mikado who has been sitting in a Boise, Idaho park for over 40 years, is going to move to a new home in 2007. The City of Boise received a grant to transport him up the hill and display him next to our historic old train depot. While he won't be inside, he'll have a roof over his head and a steam rail interpretive center built around him. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers played a major part in rallying support for the grant from all the other rail interest groups in the valley. It took us two tries, but we finally secured most of the $330,000. Our club is now considering holding some fund-raising shows to help come up with a local matching grant. Big Mike isn't just a shell. I have been informed that he's just about ready to hit the rails again if he ever receives the call. Happy Holidays to all from Idaho. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33466	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Bell Danger Signal

--- Charlie and Edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > Now I would like to "tackle" a bell danger signal. The "clang" is not very loud and turns to a "clumk"... The old bell problem...The problem is fine cracks in the bell that cause it to go clunk instead of ding: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/10658 A couple of posts by David Dewey who fixes the bells by silver soldering them: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19126 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/10659 And another solution using a brass freeze plug: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19286 And a solution using a 3/4" copper plumbing end cap: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19128 Parts dealers also sell replacements. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33467	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Happy Holidays

Hi Folks HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33468	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Mikados

So that all the skeptics can rest easy, we just received word that the Mikados have arrived ! I'm picking up my shipment of them at my wholesaler's on Tuesday..... Didn't make Christmas, but they did come through in December, as stated for the past six months or so. BTW, the Electromagnetic Cranes have also been delivered, along with the B&O 2-pack pass. cars. We're already shipping those out to our customers. Happy Holidays to all of you, and we hope you have a great 2005! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33469	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505

Rhett Wrote: Subject: Paint removal - GreetingS - Jerry Dobbs kindly responded to a question concerning an old 651 mail car. Thanks for that response, Jerry. Perhaps someone will tell me if this is good advice for the early white plastic that AF used. The 65X heavyweight combine on the layout was painted by a previous owner with thick Pennsy red. It can be left as is. Better that than have some unknown solvent get into the white material. A 360 on the layout suffered this fate. The unknown solvent began to wrinkle and shrink it. I first saw this damage taking place three or four years ago, mostly in the middle of the carbody. I cut the cab and the back end off, hoping to salvage them. They have continued to wrinkle and shrink. Happily I came across a good carbody to put on the chassis. Maybe I have just talked myself into keeping the combine in its present paint. Merry ChristmaS, Rhett Rett: The "wrinkle and shrink" found on some #360 S.F. is a result of some chemical mold release left over from Gilbert, smell the unit, an acid or acetone smell. I have a similar 360 gone bad, and I found several at train shows similar, + one at York going bad. Soak the paint off with the mixture. It may take up to a year, but it is usually worth the trouble Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33470	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505

Doug Wrote: I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? Doug Doug: At higher altitudes this accessory won't work. Only at see level will it work with limited success. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33471	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Old Article in Washington Post

Came across this link to a four-year-old article in the Washington Post about American Flyer that some might be interested in: http://tinyurl.com/6kbgc The last time this was posted, the author was bombarded with email, so please, let's not do this again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33472	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: B&O Set

I received my two car add on pack today from Doug. All I can say is awesome! Now I will have to run out and get a TMCC base and remote before the set arrives. Merry Christmas all! Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33473	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon!

Doug, IMHO: Get a Lionel beacon with a "vibro-motor" design. Unfortunately, the Flyer beacon air vent design is pretty lame... never really worked but Lionel held the patent on its electromagnetic rotation based design. If you want, buy a Lionel type beacon and install the beacon top on a flyer type beacon platform. I converted a repro flyer beacon to use the electro-magnetic vobro-motor design and am very happy with it. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: D Stoll [mailto:omaha@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] non-revolving beacon I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? Doug S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33474	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Lionel American Flyer - Steam Engine - Mikado

Is it true, have they arrived? Can't wait? TMCC and Railsounds fantastic - hard to believe - and yet on 2 rail S gauge ! Jerry Matsick Jax Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33475	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Complete a Collection

Help is needed to complete my collection of K-Line S Freight cars, I am lacking just one car of the 43 cars produced: Hoping someone knows or has an extra: K-511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar thanks Jerry Masick Jax, Fl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33476	From: doug	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: TMCC

Gene----We have the TMCC components in stock too! Started stocking those when the Mikado details were announced. <<<I received my two car add on pack today from Doug. All I can say is awesome! Now I will have to run out and get a TMCC base and remote before the set arrives. Merry Christmas all! Gene>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2506 There are 21 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> 2. RE: Gilbert Paper Book From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 3. Re: Re: Steamtown Photos From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> 4. RE: non-revolving beacon From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 5. Public thank you From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> 6. Re: Abbreviations on freight cars From: nasglibrary <nasglibrary@...> 7. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year From: boss31@... 8. Bell Danger Signal From: "Charlie and Edith" <charlieandedith@...> 9. Hudson tender questions From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> 10. Non-Rotating Beacon From: "nsupbnsf@..." <nsupbnsf@...> 11. Off topic - Retired Steam From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> 12. Re: Bell Danger Signal From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> 13. Happy Holidays From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> 14. Mikados From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 15. Re: Digest Number 2505 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 16. Re: Digest Number 2505 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 17. Old Article in Washington Post From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> 18. B&O Set From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> 19. RE: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon! From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> 20. Lionel American Flyer - Steam Engine - Mikado From: "jmatsick" <jmatsick@...> 21. Complete a Collection From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:12:38 -0000 From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> Subject: Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack The Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack arrived today. The cars are beautiful. This will be an impressive set when the Mikado and the other cars arrive. Jim Duncan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:45:10 -0500 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: RE: Gilbert Paper Book We have it in stock, Walt! << From: "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@...> Subject: Gilbert Paper Book Group, The January issue of the TCA Train Collectors Quarterly has a review of a new(?) book entitled "Steve's Guide To Gilbert Paper, 1938 Thru 1966". Does anyone know where this book can be purchased? I checked the internet, but found no listing. Walt Danylak >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:04:31 -0500 From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> Subject: Re: Re: Steamtown Photos Hi Phil, The NASG Convention was in Steamtown in 2001. Yes most large steam locos were outside. The NASG Convention in 2003 was in Wisconsin and on the way I stopped in Michigan at the Ford Museum. An Allegheny is on display inside the museum. They say the museum was built around the locomotive. It would cost a lot of money to put all those locos under roof. Perhaps in 100 years the only steam will be in books or S gauge layouts. I heard recently that the Lackawanna Radisson was sold to a college and may become a college building. Correct me if I am wrong. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Steamtown Photos > > > Chuck -- > > I made it to Steamtown late summer of 2003 and felt like a kid in a > candy shop, and took a ton of photos as well. It is now my favorite > National Historic Park. With so much steam stuff going on everywhere > I looked, it was as if I'd been transported back to the 1940s. > Really, really cool -- and for anyone heading there in the future, > it is a must to stay at least one night in the Lackawanna Radisson > Hotel, which is in the restored Scranton railroad station, a > magnificent art deco showpiece in itself and only two blocks from > Steamtown. > > What did bother me is the number of locomotives allowed to sit > outdoors, specifically the Big Boy. When I was there, the yard was > full of old steamers and diesels showing signs of rust and decay. > > Soapbox time: Presently, there are too many retired steam > locomotives still on display outdoors in parks, etc., all over the > United States that are being subjected to the detrimental effects of > weather. They'll never manufacture another of these behemoths again, > and my personal wish is that enough concerned parties get involved > to get them all some protection [under a roof at minimum, but > indoors would be great] so that future generations, in 100 and 200 > years, will still be able to see and enjoy them as they were. > > It makes me want to cry when I hear stories of outdoor display > steamers that due to a lack of money and/or interest were allowed > to rust and deteriorate and sadly, ended up getting scrapped. > If towns don't want to maintain them anymore, give them to someone > who really appreciates them and will care for their future. > > Merry Christmas all! > > Phil K > > ***************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington > <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > Hope you are having the best holiday season ever. > > > > Jerry Matsick posted regarding his layout pictures, and thought I > would > > give a little more specific directions for any who might need > them... > > > > go to http://myflyertrains.org/ > > > > Click on Albums, then click on Page 2 > > > > Also there, nearly 300 photos I took at Steamtown in October. I > stayed > > up until 1 am last night uploading these... > > > > In particular, in the last couple pages of the Album are photos of > the > > Pacific Steam engine being put to bed in the roundhouse. These are > great! > > > > Later....Chuck > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:50:11 -0500 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: RE: non-revolving beacon Well, I guess I can post it again..... There are poor repro beacon tops on the market, and there are even poorer beacon bulbs on the market! (a) Use our repro beacon top ($7.50) and (b) use our beacon bulb ($1.50), and (c) wire your beacon to its own dedicated transformer, even if it's just a cheap 40-watt piece. If it doesn't work, return top and bulb for a full refund! We guarantee our tops with our bulbs ! Usually, you won't even have to do (c), but it's still a good idea to do so. <<< From: "D Stoll" <omaha@...> Subject: non-revolving beacon I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:12:26 -0600 From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Public thank you I want to say a big public "thank you" to Don Thompson of S-Helper Service for getting my turnouts to me so quickly. Consequently, my two SHS AT&SF SW-9's are happily, and quite smoothly, traversing the oval under the tree, pulling a mixed freight which includes the blinking nose Rudolph box car from Christmas past. Happy holidays to Don, Robin and all the other S-gaugers :) Roy Inman ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:23:57 -0800 From: nasglibrary <nasglibrary@...> Subject: Re: Abbreviations on freight cars ljack70117@... wrote: > Capacity is the maximum weight of load weight allowed round off. Has > nothing to do with cu ft Volume of car. > LD LMT is the maximum weight of car Lt WT plus load. IOW the total > weight that the bearings of the car can carry > Thank you > Larry Jackman Larry is correct, of course... Dick Karnes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:08:33 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year We at S-'n-S Trains want to thank you all for your support this year. It was the best year so far for us and we were able to attend four train conventions including the Nation Train Show in Seattle, TTOS national in Fresno, Flyer Fest West and S-West, both in central California. Our new track cleaning cars have been well taken so far and we make them in both "S" and "O" gauge. Sam is kept very busy assembling them, and I stay busy installing can motors and sound unit in Flyer Locos. Merry Christmas and any other holiday you celebrate this time of year as well as a joyous New Year to all. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:53:14 -0500 From: "Charlie and Edith" <charlieandedith@...> Subject: Bell Danger Signal Greetings, My thanks to the "group" for its help in getting the 2025 operational! It will be a great addition to our friend's Christmas tree and his grandchildren's enjoyment. Now I would like to "tackle" a bell danger signal. The "clang" is not very loud and turns to a "clumk" when the roof is on the shed. Minor adjustments and attempts to insulate the roof did not improve the situation. The bell is not cracked and the clapper is rounded at the top. This has me puzzled so any thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:47:12 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Subject: Hudson tender questions As some of you may recall, one of my junker projects is a AF Hudson which is in sad shape. Recently I came upon some parts including a complete tender with a cracked and gouged shell, but it has the trucks and handrails missing from my Hudson junker. I'll swap parts to make a decent one of course. Question; Did the Hudson tenders have a weight in them? Neither of mine do. Was the diecast shell considered heavy enough? I'm going to try to "save" the damaged shell with some JB Weld and bondo, and do handrails out of piano wire. It would be passable for another project I have in mind. Stumpy Stone...making them live again...Dr. Crankenstein...in Martins Ferry, OH. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:05:57 GMT From: "nsupbnsf@..." <nsupbnsf@...> Subject: Non-Rotating Beacon Reply to: "I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat?" The first thing I would check is - what is the voltage at the lamp socket? Use voltmeter probes and verify the voltage is 16 or more volts. A different transformer may be needed to solve the problem, or a larger gauge wire making the connection to the beacon. A new bulb can possibly solve the problem if caused only by an aged bulb. Merry Christmas Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:08:50 -0700 From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> Subject: Off topic - Retired Steam Phil K wrote: Soapbox time: Presently, there are too many retired steam locomotives still on display outdoors in parks, etc., all over the United States that are being subjected to the detrimental effects of weather. >>> Phil, I'm so happy to report that "Big Mike," the retired UP Mikado who has been sitting in a Boise, Idaho park for over 40 years, is going to move to a new home in 2007. The City of Boise received a grant to transport him up the hill and display him next to our historic old train depot. While he won't be inside, he'll have a roof over his head and a steam rail interpretive center built around him. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers played a major part in rallying support for the grant from all the other rail interest groups in the valley. It took us two tries, but we finally secured most of the $330,000. Our club is now considering holding some fund-raising shows to help come up with a local matching grant. Big Mike isn't just a shell. I have been informed that he's just about ready to hit the rails again if he ever receives the call. Happy Holidays to all from Idaho. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: Bell Danger Signal --- Charlie and Edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > Now I would like to "tackle" a bell danger signal. The "clang" is not very loud and turns to a "clumk"... The old bell problem...The problem is fine cracks in the bell that cause it to go clunk instead of ding: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/10658 A couple of posts by David Dewey who fixes the bells by silver soldering them: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19126 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/10659 And another solution using a brass freeze plug: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19286 And a solution using a 3/4" copper plumbing end cap: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/19128 Parts dealers also sell replacements. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:57:28 -0500 From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> Subject: Happy Holidays Hi Folks HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:48:43 -0500 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: Mikados So that all the skeptics can rest easy, we just received word that the Mikados have arrived ! I'm picking up my shipment of them at my wholesaler's on Tuesday..... Didn't make Christmas, but they did come through in December, as stated for the past six months or so. BTW, the Electromagnetic Cranes have also been delivered, along with the B&O 2-pack pass. cars. We're already shipping those out to our customers. Happy Holidays to all of you, and we hope you have a great 2005! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:51:42 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505 Rhett Wrote: Subject: Paint removal - GreetingS - Jerry Dobbs kindly responded to a question concerning an old 651 mail car. Thanks for that response, Jerry. Perhaps someone will tell me if this is good advice for the early white plastic that AF used. The 65X heavyweight combine on the layout was painted by a previous owner with thick Pennsy red. It can be left as is. Better that than have some unknown solvent get into the white material. A 360 on the layout suffered this fate. The unknown solvent began to wrinkle and shrink it. I first saw this damage taking place three or four years ago, mostly in the middle of the carbody. I cut the cab and the back end off, hoping to salvage them. They have continued to wrinkle and shrink. Happily I came across a good carbody to put on the chassis. Maybe I have just talked myself into keeping the combine in its present paint. Merry ChristmaS, Rhett Rett: The "wrinkle and shrink" found on some #360 S.F. is a result of some chemical mold release left over from Gilbert, smell the unit, an acid or acetone smell. I have a similar 360 gone bad, and I found several at train shows similar, + one at York going bad. Soak the paint off with the mixture. It may take up to a year, but it is usually worth the trouble Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:40:44 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2505 Doug Wrote: I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? Doug Doug: At higher altitudes this accessory won't work. Only at see level will it work with limited success. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Old Article in Washington Post Came across this link to a four-year-old article in the Washington Post about American Flyer that some might be interested in: http://tinyurl.com/6kbgc The last time this was posted, the author was bombarded with email, so please, let's not do this again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:16:47 -0500 From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> Subject: B&O Set I received my two car add on pack today from Doug. All I can say is awesome! Now I will have to run out and get a TMCC base and remote before the set arrives. Merry Christmas all! Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:36:28 -0600 From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> Subject: RE: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon! Doug, IMHO: Get a Lionel beacon with a "vibro-motor" design. Unfortunately, the Flyer beacon air vent design is pretty lame... never really worked but Lionel held the patent on its electromagnetic rotation based design. If you want, buy a Lionel type beacon and install the beacon top on a flyer type beacon platform. I converted a repro flyer beacon to use the electro-magnetic vobro-motor design and am very happy with it. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: D Stoll [mailto:omaha@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] non-revolving beacon I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? Doug S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:11:39 -0000 From: "jmatsick" <jmatsick@...> Subject: Lionel American Flyer - Steam Engine - Mikado Is it true, have they arrived? Can't wait? TMCC and Railsounds fantastic - hard to believe - and yet on 2 rail S gauge ! Jerry Matsick Jax Fl ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> Subject: Complete a Collection Help is needed to complete my collection of K-Line S Freight cars, I am lacking just one car of the 43 cars produced: Hoping someone knows or has an extra: K-511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar thanks Jerry Masick Jax, Fl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33477	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2506

The Gilbert HO revolving beacon and the Colber O / S tower also used this design. The Colber appeared to me to pre-date the Lionel, but if you have the patent information as Lionel, they must have licensed it. FYI The Colber could pass for a Flyer early fifties item, except for the name plate. - Nick >Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:36:28 -0600 > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> >Subject: RE: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon! > > >Doug, > >IMHO: > >Get a Lionel beacon with a "vibro-motor" design. > >Unfortunately, the Flyer beacon air vent design is pretty lame... never >really worked but Lionel held the patent on its electromagnetic rotation >based design. > >If you want, buy a Lionel type beacon and install the beacon top on a >flyer type beacon platform. > >I converted a repro flyer beacon to use the electro-magnetic vobro-motor >design and am very happy with it. > >Scott Dee > >-----Original Message----- >From: D Stoll [mailto:omaha@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:16 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] non-revolving beacon > > > > >I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at >the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, >new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on >settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? >Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33478	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Pricing Help

Hi Guys, I just picked up three LTI AF sets mint in the box. One the UP Pony Express still shrink wrapped. Can anyone give me a ball park of their value or what they sold for? the 6-49600 Has an extra vista dome & a passenger car. This is the UP Pony Express The 6-49601 is a MoPac with 2 extra pass. cars & a "B" unit w/rail sounds The last is a NP 6-49602 with an extra "B" unit w/rail sounds Any ideas or anyone bought one lately Thank You, Mike PS: I will be listing these (on E-BAY)or selling them soon ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33479	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Couplers

Michael Greene and I have been doing some research on installing "scale" Kadee-style couplers on some locomotives and rolling stock. It occurred to us that a page or pages dedicated to the issues involved and with some specifics that we learned on specific installations might be generally useful. So we have documented our experience so far on showcaseline.com. This is meant to be a work in progress with plenty of room for ideas and experiences from other modelers. Check it out and let us know what you think! http://www.showcaseline.com/indexCouplers.html Thanks! Bill and Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33480	From: carltonlowry	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Holiday Greetings

I just want to take a moment and wish everyone on this list a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and prosperous New Year. I would also like to thank everyone involved for their contributions to help young ones and old ones like me that enjoy trains and all the help we can get. Your wealth of information is unsurpassed in its quality and availability. Seasons Greetings from a politically incorrect southern boy. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33481	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: The Mikes are in

Picked up my NYC Mikado today, but will be unable to open it until Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. The delays and postponements are over! It couldn't have arrived at a better time of year. Hope everyone gets theirs in time for the Holidays. Don P.S. My dealer only got in what was spoken for, although he did order extra. He's getting calls for them, but is unable to deliver to those who did not preorder. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33482	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Re: The Mikes are in

I spoke to Jamie at Island trains today about mine..... she said she wasn't sure but they might be getting a couple extra sets.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33483	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/22/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal

Greetings! Thanks for the information!! After checking the posts, some questions remain as I work my way through the suggestions. What is the approximate distance from the clapper to the bell and is the distance significant? Is the rubber stop at the bottom of the clapper replaceable, mine seems to be hard ... would softer be better? Should the clapper top have a point, be rounded or flat? Would a rubber washer between the bell and its suport be helpful? And the question that still puzzles me is why does putting the roof on the dampen the ding? Many thanks for any answers you can provide! Best, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33484	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Complete a Collection

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@y...> wrote: Help is needed to complete my collection of K-Line S Freight cars, I am lacking just one car of the 43 cars produced: Hoping someone knows or has an extra: K-511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar thanks Jerry Masick Jax, Fl --------------------------------------- Charles Ro Train Store has two of them. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33485	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Charles Ro Train Store

I was at Charles Ro Train Store tonight. The store was reorganized, and there was more space for S there. There also was a display case full of S at the entrance, including Lionel, S-Helper, and AM. I bought one item, the second # NYC TOFC by SHS. "Is that everything?" the cashier responded. Little did he know, I have a big collection at home. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33486	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Vibromotor - Rights and invention - Any one know the history?

My favorite was learning that Gilbert owned the patent on the enameling process for magnet wire, without which efficient motors and solenoids could not be made. It seems a little like inventing the light bulb and makes me wonder if the toy business was a hobby. Regarding the Lionel whistle, Gilbert had a whistling baggage car in "0" gauge and was quoted as saying his engineers made the same mistake with the 314AW. The patent infringement may have been a convenient excuse to eliminate the repair problems with the DC relay. I use the differences in the Lionel "pull down" knuckle coupler and the Gilbert "push up" version to explain how a company can accomplish the same result without patent infringement, and, in Gilbert's case, not make their uncoupler obsolete. BTW - I think it was a Cowen associate, or early partner, who was responsible for the flashlight. At 04:54 AM 12/23/2004, you wrote: >The Collerans, > >Interesting point. > >I don't have the actual patent information - My understanding from >experts I have previously spoken with is that vibromotor design could >not be used by AC Gilbert because of some sort of rights Lionel had to >it. I thought Classic Toy Trains magazine had an article a few years >ago on the fellow (Frank Petit) at Lionel who invented it along with a >drawing submitted for patent - I think Joseph Bonamo (sp ?) was the head >engineer at the time. > >I know that Lionel and Gilbert found over rights to an air whistle >design (why Gilbert had to drop it). Gilbert also used pullmor wheel >sets that greatly improved traction and owned the rights to it - so >Lionel went with maga-traction instead of a cheaper rubber coated wheel >rim. Gilbert also upped Lionel in the smoke unit and choo-choo design - >Gilbert engines smoked much better than the Lionel Pill counter parts. > >It's my understanding that Colber made the Gilbert tower accessories >under contract to Gilbert that were branded as Gilbert in the catalogs >and sold as such. > >Maybe some of our fellow list mavens can clarify the situation that >existed with the vibromotor and AC Gilbert. > >As one of my professor would jokingly say "Your seldom wrong, But once >your right!" > >PS: Talking about invention - did you know that Joshua Lionel Cohen was >instrumental in the invention of the flashlight? > >You folks enjoy the Holidays.... > >Scott Dee > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nick and Becky Colleran [mailto:colleran@...] >Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:06 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Cc: Scott Davidson >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2506 > >The Gilbert HO revolving beacon and the Colber O / S >tower also used this design. The Colber appeared to >me to pre-date the Lionel, but if you have the patent >information as Lionel, they must have licensed it. > >FYI The Colber could pass for a Flyer early fifties item, >except for the name plate. - Nick > > > >Message: 19 > > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:36:28 -0600 > > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> > >Subject: RE: non-revolving beacon - that darn beacon! > > > > > >Doug, > > > >IMHO: > > > >Get a Lionel beacon with a "vibro-motor" design. > > > >Unfortunately, the Flyer beacon air vent design is pretty lame... never > >really worked but Lionel held the patent on its electromagnetic >rotation > >based design. > > > >If you want, buy a Lionel type beacon and install the beacon top on a > >flyer type beacon platform. > > > >I converted a repro flyer beacon to use the electro-magnetic >vobro-motor > >design and am very happy with it. > > > >Scott Dee > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: D Stoll [mailto:omaha@...] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:16 PM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [S-Trains] non-revolving beacon > > > > > > > > > >I think I have tried every imaginable configuration of the vents at > >the top and can not get the beacon to revolve on it's own. New bulb, > >new top, and I don't want to give up yet. Any thoughts or links on > >settings before I redesign for halogen for additional heat? > >Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33487	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Baltimore & Ohio Passenger Car 2-Pack

Jim, How do you find the cars in the S scale Lionel/American Flyer B&O Passenger Car 2-Pack compare to the American Models B&O passenger car sets? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33488	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: The "Winner" Toy Train

I have an old switcher loco stamped "The Winner Toy Corp" "New York, USA" from my grandfather I got along with my AF. I understand it was made by Lionel in 1930-32. That's all I could find on the web about these and not much is for sale on Ebay. Can anyone point me to more info on this product so I can decide whether to sell it or try to build a layout for it? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33489	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Yardley's followup article

I should have posted this one too, in which he tells about all the email he got from S-Gaugers telling him that S and American Flyer was alive and well, and disagreeing with him for saying that playing with trains was childish: http://tinyurl.com/4fobb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33490	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: looking for George

Anyone have a way other than E-mail to get ahold of George Bereckis? I need his address to ship his smoke fluid. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33491	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: The B & O's are coming!!!

Just talked to the shop, the add on cars are "in hand" and they are holding my order, as the truck with the sets is due to arrive next week! How long have we been waiting for this, I've forgotten! (I've also spent the money I had saved up for it too, UH OH!). Y'all have a Merry Christmas! S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33492	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/23/2004
Subject: Re: Pricing Help

I was just at a train auction at Ted Maurer's UP sealed set $425.00,MP set sealed $410.00, 2 extra MP cars for set $70.00,NP sealed set $400.00, extra B-unit & car $120.00. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pricing Help > > > Hi Guys, > I just picked up three LTI AF sets mint in the box. One the UP > Pony Express still shrink wrapped. Can anyone give me a ball park of their > value or what they sold for? > the 6-49600 Has an extra vista dome & a passenger car. This is the UP Pony > Express > The 6-49601 is a MoPac with 2 extra pass. cars & a "B" unit w/rail sounds > The last is a NP 6-49602 with an extra "B" unit w/rail sounds > Any ideas or anyone bought one lately > Thank You, Mike > PS: I will be listing these (on E-BAY)or selling them soon > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33493	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Mikados

All, Well, since S folk are excited about the arrival of the new Mike from Lionel and a Mike was mentioned in the steam preservation thread (post from John Eichmann), I thought some might be interested in a major accomplishment along steam preservation lines here in New Orleans. SP Mikado 745 breathed fire and water for the first time in over 50 years this past week. The SP Mike was built in the Algiers Shops in 1921 and saw over 30 years of service until retired in 1955. The engine was then put on display in a local park where she rusted away until removed for a zoo expansion and then went through a series of ownership periods in museum type organizations. But, she still sat and rusted away until 5 or 6 years ago when a group took control that wrote a grant proposal that was funded for full restoration. This took a lot of work by a considerable number of individuals and cost over $1 million to bring back to life. So, this kind of operation is not for the faint-of-heart. The engine is somewhat small for a Mike...reminds me of a Consolidation in overall size and is fitted with a Vanderbilt-type oil tender. 745 is slated to take a state-wide tour next year to promote LA historical education (LA Purchase, etc.). Needless to say, steam fans and railfans, in general, in this area are ecstatic over this restoration project. Now, if I could just get one of these babes in S (back on topic). :-) 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33494	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Holidays

MERRY CHRISTMAS, ALL the best of the SEASON!! Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33495	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: NASG grey and CNR Pullmans -- Expected delivery

All -- A message from AM's Ron Bashista today says the 36" wheelsets are finished and being shipped to AM now. Ron says it'll take about 30 days from now to package everything and get the grey and CNR cars out to NASG for distribution. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33496	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: MTH vrs Lionel

Merry Christmas everyone. This is from today's Baltimore Sun. Dave Getting back on track M.T.H. Electric Trains of Columbia aims to pick up momentum after winning a $41 million judgment against the venerable Lionel company. By William Patalon III Sun Staff Originally published December 24, 2004 For model train fans, Christmas is the time to dust off the layout, gather the family around and permit the odoriferous mix of pine needles, lubricating oil and ozone to summon pleasant memories of childhood. But, for model train maker M.T.H. Electric Trains of Columbia, this season is bittersweet. It won a $41 million judgment this year against the venerable granddaddy of electric trains, Lionel LLC, which it sued for stealing its train designs. But it will likely be years, if ever, before the local firm sees any money. Lionel intends to appeal the verdict and has filed for bankruptcy protection. M.T.H. contends that Lionel continues to benefit from the technical know-how it acquired through the disputed designs. "The bad times are hopefully behind us," said M.T.H. owner Mike Wolf, who started his business in 1980 as Mike's Train House, in the basement of his parents' home. Because Lionel could remain under bankruptcy protection for two to four years, according to its own estimates, Wolf, 44, said he is "going to let the lawyers handle the appeal and focus instead on making really great trains." Lionel officials were not available for comment. However, in a Nov. 18 Internet posting, Chief Executive Officer Gerard Calabrese defended his company and reported sales up about 5 percent this year over last. "This is actually a good year for us," Calabrese said. Legal maneuvers aside, M.T.H., Lionel and a handful of other players will have to work harder to revitalize a segment of the toy industry that in its day was as exciting as the computer-gaming business is today. Wolf remembers, as a young boy, waiting for his father to get home from work to set up their big-scale train layout. Because model train sets were expensive - in the 1950s, a starter set could cost a working man the equivalent of two weeks' pay - operating the trains became a family event, with the children having to wait for dad to get home to supervise. Today, many of the most ardent hobbyists are men in their 40s or 50s who fondly remember those times and want to replicate them for their children. They also tend to have setups of their own and are willing to travel to model train shows or into "cyberspace" to find rare locomotives, or rolling stock. They also have the cash to make it happen. Wolf said that a study of his customer base found that the big spenders lay out an average of $4,200 a year on their avocation. For collectors seeking older trains, perhaps to complete a set passed down from fathers or grandfathers, there's plenty of ground to cover. The industry dates to the early 1900s, when Joshua Lionel Cowen, then in his early 20s, created a battery-powered train locomotive as an advertisement in a store window. Customers wanted the train, not the products in the window, and Lionel Trains was created. Lionel became the world's largest toy manufacturer. Its fortunes peaked in the early 1950s. But the company's slide accelerated in the 1960s as families moved to the suburbs, the fascination with trains waned and the "generation gap" split children and adults. Lionel filed for bankruptcy in 1967 and limped along with a variety of owners. M.T.H.'s Wolf spent several years doing subcontracted design and production work for Lionel before the two firms parted ways. His company had grown to about $60 million in annual revenue, he said, when he found Lionel was selling trains based on designs he claims were stolen from Samhongsa, a South Korean manufacturer that was doing work for M.T.H. He sued in 2000 and this year won a $40.8 million verdict against Lionel and its supplier, Korea Brass Co. Lionel filed for bankruptcy protection in November, a financial reorganization that could take years to resolve. Run off the rails Wolf contended that his company was virtually derailed as a business by Lionel's acts, which cost it market share. He alleges that sales by his privately held firm have plunged to $40 million, forcing it to cut workers - to 57 from 127 at its peak. M.T.H. posted its first-ever loss in 2002, scratched out a profit in 2003 and will lose money again this year, Wolf said. Calabrese, Lionel's CEO, disputed M.T.H.'s claims during last month's Web chat, alleging that M.T.H. just did a better job than Lionel in presenting its case. While repeatedly contending that he didn't wish "to retry the case here or anywhere," Calabrese did what he could to cast doubt on the verdict. "I honestly believe we got a bad deal, partly because of our own uninspired defense," Calabrese said, according to a transcript of the chat posted on Lionel's company Web site. "As a guy who just came to the company and the hobby, I sense a lot of anger and animus on both sides. I personally have none and actually respect Mike [Wolf] as a smart guy who has played his hand beautifully." While the legal case chugs along, Wolf said, he has invested more than $4 million in new digital sound technology for his model trains that relies on chip sets similar to those in higher-quality cellular telephones. The system allows modelers to broadcast more realistic locomotive sounds from the trains, to play Christmas music through them and even to "announce" a train's arrival. He plans to incorporate that same technology in the smaller, and more widely sold, HO scale trains. Aging base Because older men drive so much of the industry's sales, the hobby's base is aging. Attracting the interest of children is key, but that means competing with videos, computer games and other entertainment that has replaced the days of make-believe. That's a tall order, made steeper by the fact that starter train sets range in price from $200 to $400. They're also too bulky to find space in toy venues such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. or Toys "R" Us, Wolf and other experts say. Wolf and Lionel are attempting to use licensing deals - tie-ins with movies such as SpongeBob SquarePants or The Polar Express - to attract younger audiences. Also, Wolf has sponsored huge public Christmas train displays around the country to help boost his fan base, from settings in community firehouses to one at Macy's in New York that roughly 300,000 people might visit throughout the holidays. "This is the point during the year that it's particularly special," Wolf said. "Trains have been a staple of the family Christmas all the way back to the early 1900s."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33497	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas!

I'm off to Grandma's house! Merry Christmas to all, thanks for all the help this past year. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33498	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: fastfood toy trains if interested

Hi I just thought I would pass along (for those who might be interested) that 2 fast food joints are offering toy trains with the kids meals. What-A-Bruger are offering a 4 piece set, a black wind up steam engine, 2 cars and a caboose. You get a small sheet of self adhesive stick on's to decorate them. Sonic is offering a 5 piece modernistic train with containers on the cars that can be taken off and switched around. These trains are about the size of the Lionel set that Wendy's had a while ago. In most cases (depends somewhat on what the franchise owner does) you can buy the toys without getting a kids meal. Usually cost 99cents to $1.29 each. My wife collects fast-food toys and we think she has about 3 dozen different train sets. FrankieD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33499	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 26, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33500	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: FOR SALE

I'm taking some offers on the MoPac set & the Pony Express set & the Northern Pacific set. They are all mint in the box LTI AF. All have extra cars & 2 have the extra "B" units (MoPac & NP) All have 2 extra pass cars except the NP. I'm open to reasonable offers The shipping is $25 with ins. included. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST Thank You Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33501	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Cold Heat Soldering Tool

Y'all....I just got one. Read the instructions and tried it out soldering wires remotoring an Atlantic loco. This thing won't even melt solder, although it does melt the insulation on the wire a bit, so it does get warm. It says this tool is so good it doesn't need flux....they're right, it won't melt solder, why need flux? Got out trusty old 100 watt soldering gun and finished project. Kept the nifty wire stripper tool, Cold Heat thingie goes back Monday. Not impressed. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33502	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Mikados, 12'=1' and S

Well, Jay & all, That group deserves a grand "Thank You" for finally acomplishing a nearly-impossible task. And folks, in many ways that locomotive was in great shape, so real loco restoration is not for the faint of heart, or slim pocketbook. She looks FANTASTIC! So few SP locos running nowadays, good to have one more. YES, an S SP loco with vanderbuilt tender!! YES, give us oil burners!! You folks in the east who are so used to coal don't seem to appreciate the many of us out west who only saw oil burners. Since many oil tenders were just coal tenders, we could live with a "drop on" oil tank top! (hint, hint, hint Big L & Don & Ron!!) Many RRs ran oil, AFSF, SP, UP, WP for a few of the Big Roads. I know that SP 1727 has a vanderbuilt tender behind her that ahs a drop in oil tank in the fuel bunker. Not knowing the history of that tender, I can't tell you where it came from (it's not her original tender,which also was a straight sided oil tender). There's a lovely Mogul that needs to be released from her park prison, and she is in excellent mechanical shape BTW! FREE 1727! Oh, sorry, I get emotional about "my" childhood park engine.Picture at: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/1727b.JPG Wouldn't she make a fine S engine for a short passenger train? Lookit those nice big drivers! Sorry, lost track again! Y'all have a very Merry Christmas. We're off to do our last minute shopping, got a few family members that we need to find something they might like! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33503	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas

Greetings All, It is my pleasure to be a member of this list and I want to wish you all my best during these holidays. Be safe and enjoy your trains. It is when most of use got hooked on these toys and developed our fondest memories. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33504	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS

I want to wish all my net friends..... Paul, Chuck, Toms, Barb, Eds. Bills, Bobs, Ricks, Davids, and just so many it would take a page to fill ..... I have been Blessed with your comments and notes........ BUT I WANT TO WISH YOU ALL A VERY " MERRY CHRISTMAS " and a Happy New Year........... And I hope that train you wanted from santa is under the tree in the morning......... I might run my 1948 Atlantic set tonight that santa brought me in 1948... Bob Conner RCON7 PS Rick and Ed..... I will be away New years eve..... So I might miss the toasting.... but will try to get on from wherever I am....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33505	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2004
Subject: Re: Couplers

Bill & Michael, Very thoughtful and generous. Thank you! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33506	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Season's Greetings

I hope everyone has the merriest of seasons, whatever your reasons! And a very safe, Happy and Prosperous New Year!! Dick Aurora, OH (-5 degrees at 7 am and rising!!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33507	From: knockbill	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas!!

Happy holidays to all...... John & Nancy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33508	From: Hannon	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2507 - Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas everyone! Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33509	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Cold Heat Soldering Tool

Dear Stumpy, What type of solder are you using. You may need 60/40 or better yet eutectic (63/37). If you have too much lead, it will need a hotter solder iron. Don PS Merry Christmas Stumpy Stone wrote: > >Y'all....I just got one. Read the instructions and tried it out >soldering wires remotoring an Atlantic loco. > This thing won't even melt solder, although it does melt the >insulation on the wire a bit, so it does get warm. It says this tool >is so good it doesn't need flux....they're right, it won't melt >solder, why need flux? > Got out trusty old 100 watt soldering gun and finished project. > Kept the nifty wire stripper tool, Cold Heat thingie goes back >Monday. Not impressed. > Stumpy Stone > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33510	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: way off topic

Several months ago someone wanted a copy of the "Spell Checker" that Tom J. had posted...... I sent it in..... Now I have lost it.... anybody still have a copy of it??? Bob rcon7@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Early Christmas morning.....

Here I sit eating milk and cookies...no Santa again this year...may be because I have no chimney for him to come down... Anything flying through this area that looks like a deer will draw gunfire. Anyone sneaking around the area would be arrested for house breaking. If you're wondering around in the dark in -2 degree weather, you're going to get put in the rubber ranch. Fat guys don't do well with alot of exertion...I know 'cause I am one. One of Santa's elves tried to pick my pocket at the mall yesterday. My new Cold Heat Soldering Tool won't work with fat solder on fat wire. Only my checkbook is thin. My aches and pains are acheing and paining, and I'm just entering my Golden Years. Christmas didn't used to be this way....... Merry Christmas, Y'all! Stumpy in Ahia ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33512	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Seasons Greetings

Meryy Christmas and Happy New Year to Everyone! Best Wishes for 2005! John Harvey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 22/12/04

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33513	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas

I want to wish a Merry Christmas and thanks to all my friends in this group. I hope you are all healthy, safe, and with those you love this Christmas day. Darrell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33514	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Don Thmpson Story

Last night, Christmas Eve, I persuaded the tribe to let me open a couple of presents-a couple of SHS hoppers. I'm expanding my S gauge to include SHS this year. Anyway, one of the couplers kept dropping the plunger. Sent an email to SHS. This morning I had a reply from Don asking for my address to send a replacement. Soon SHS will rival Nordstrom and Lexus in 'exceptional service' stories. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33515	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Greetings

A big MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of the group. "S" for the season! Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33516	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story

Actually, the service level at SHS is unsurpassed in any realm. Jim Lyle "STILL livin' on the Keystone Main" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33517	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story

I just want to "Second" what Dwight says about Don Thompson and S-Helper Trains, on two occassions I had question or problems and Don was there stood behind his product and came thru with complete "Super" Satisfaction! This is a company with "Escalade" service! Merry Christmas and a Prosperous (Train)New Year Jerry Matsick Jax, Fla dwightlehnhoff <dlehnhoff@...> wrote: Last night, Christmas Eve, I persuaded the tribe to let me open a couple of presents-a couple of SHS hoppers. I'm expanding my S gauge to include SHS this year. Anyway, one of the couplers kept dropping the plunger. Sent an email to SHS. This morning I had a reply from Don asking for my address to send a replacement. Soon SHS will rival Nordstrom and Lexus in 'exceptional service' stories. Dwight S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33518	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Happy Holidays

I hope that all of you have had as much fun with your trains this season as I have. There has been a constant stream of people in and out of our garage to see them. I hope for all that this coming year will be one of peace for all people. The world needs it! Thanks again to Paul for all he does to make this hobby such an enjoyable one! Mike Vandiver _http://s-scale.org/albums/albun09_ (http://s-scale.org/albums/albun09) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33519	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Holiday Cheer

HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all !!!!!!!! 34 degrees here in California @ 9a.m......a little frost on the lawn still. Gonna be sunny & nice today. Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33520	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story

In a message dated 12/25/2004 9:18:58 AM Central Standard Time, dlehnhoff@... writes: Soon SHS will rival Nordstrom and Lexus in 'exceptional service' stories. Dwight No, SHS has been setting the standard for Nordstrom and Lexus. - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33521	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Christmas greeting

I hope poor old Santa didn't trip over all those trains around/under Christmas trees this year. My two year old granddaughter managed to get her little mitts on one of my SHS SW-9s and oops, there went some hand rails. She also managed to trash the steamer running around under the tree. Only damage was to it's ego. On the other she did really well using the SHS "Locomatic" controller for the three F units running on the layout. The horns are still reverberating off the walls. Trains and kids still have the same charm they always did if you just expose them to it. I sure hope all of your Christmas wishes and wants came true. Happy and prosperous new year to all. Be sure to watch the Liberty Bowl this year. Should be a great game. Steve Blackburn Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33522	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy new Year!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33523	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Under tree damage....

Steve wrote: """ She also managed to trash the steamer running around under the tree.""" One of these days, if I can post some video footage somewhere,.....I can show ya that a Mom/Grandma can also do damage to trains under the tree!! A few years ago, my first train around the tree in years, my Mom managed to step on my passenger train, it uncoupled at the 282 loco (loco had been converted to knuckle)......my Mom's right foot rolled with the passenger cars, and she almost did a header into the fireplace!! And if that wasn't enough, after she hit the floor, her left foot swung around and knocked my 282 loco off the tracks!! My daughter, who was slightly over two years old, jumped up from her little rocker she was sitting in opening a present, when Grandma went sailing, er, um, training...hitting the back of my daughter's rocker!! If Savanah would have been sitting further back in the rocker, we think SHE woulda flipped over with Grandma!! Found the footage yesterday and we all had a good laugh!! Even my Mom!! She also knocked over my Plasticville station I've had since '62...glad she didn't land on it!!!! Nothing broke, just had to slightly tweak one sheet-metal truck!! Mom's response was...."That's why I don't like trains around!!". Just minutes before, I can be heard saying on the video, "Watch your robe and your clumsy feet!!" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33524	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: D1473 catalog

The TM American Flyer price Guide lists for the D1473 catalog a Red version and an Orange version. Does anyone know what identifies it as a red or orange version and what it was? Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to All, Al Paolozzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33525	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: Re: D1473 catalog

No, but if you find one I would love to have scans of it for the website! ;) http://www.myflyertrains.org Merry Christmas All! Chuck Al Paolozzi wrote: >The TM American Flyer price Guide lists for the D1473 catalog a Red version and an Orange version. Does anyone know what identifies it as a red or orange version and what it was? Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to All, Al Paolozzi > >[ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33526	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: MERRY -HO-HO-HO- CHRISTMAS

The BEST of the SEASON to you ALL Wishing you all have a FIRE SAFE Season As for our "Ed & Rick" NEW YEARS GETOGETHER We will be looking for all or any of you who are doing nothing (like Us) ...eh ..Rick ...to join us in the chat room for a FREE FOR ALL..CHAT....NO HOLDS BARRED (Train chat Optional)...CYAAA one week from today....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33527	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/25/2004
Subject: what'd ya' get?

As a kid I always called my friends to see what everyone got for Christmas. I always love to hear about other people's Flyer finds. I ended up with two more $27 Lionel bubbling oil derricks (bringing my total to three). Hope your Christmas was happy! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33528	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas

Hi Everyone, Just wanted to wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas. As many of you know, my Wife Beth and I opened a new store in August for toy trains. We were on our way home from Cincinnati from a family get together and I decided to ride by the store on the way home. It is only 4 streets away from our home so I do this quite often. Much to my surprise was a Police cruiser in front of the store with the maintenance man boarding up our front door. Seems someone wanted something in the video area and didn't find what they were looking for. Of course the alarm went off and the video cameras caught them on tape. We just have to figure out who they are now. So I'm spending the last part of Christmas night sweeping up glass and spending the night at the store. The odd thing is, no trains or money was taken. So I count my blessings again tonight. I have so many to be thankful for. My friends on this list and the men and women protecting and serving in the armed forces. I hope everyone got what they wanted for Christmas, I know I did. I got a new S-Helper Service Christmas engine and caboose. My wife told me she sold it while I was gone one day. Then she turns around and puts it on the layout in the store and surprised me. What a great surprise it was. Well, Time to unroll the sleeping bag and try to get some shut eye. Merry Christmas everyone. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33529	From: esetterman	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: diesel roar help

have a 56-485 sf b unit that when power in applied to the track the roar unit works (sound goes up and down as it should } but the horn portion only works very very very faintly .i have used both the horn button controller and the 710 whisle controller to test it, with the exact same results from both. using this same equipt on a 55-471 sf b unit both roar and horn work correctly. could it be the capacitor that is bad? if so how does on check it out and if bad where can a replacement be gotten? thanks for any advise in advance. ps --according to every wiring diagram i have seen it is wired correctly.?????????? has anyone else, ever had this problem???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33530	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: what I got

Santa was very good to me this year American Flyer wise. I got the New B & O Passenger 2 Pak, cars are beautiful, got the Naughty & Nice Hoppers, The 2004 Christmas Boxcar and the best for last, The Southern Work Train Set. Nice American Flyer Christmas.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33531	From: knockbill	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: chistmas presents

Hi Hope you all got what you wanted.... I got a nice 751 Log Loader, a manoil coupe, & oil truck for the 715's I got a York, and a K-Line service manual Thanks Nancy & Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33532	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Couplers

Bill Wrote: Michael Greene and I have been doing some research on installing "scale" Kadee-style couplers on some locomotives and rolling stock. It occurred to us that a page or pages dedicated to the issues involved and with some specifics that we learned on specific installations might be generally useful. So we have documented our experience so far on showcaseline.com. This is meant to be a work in progress with plenty of room for ideas and experiences from other modelers. Check it out and let us know what you think! http://www.showcaseline.com/indexCouplers.html Thanks! Bill and Michael Bill, the information looks interesting, however I could not disagree more with your statements about the Kadee #5's. I know of more scale people who have dropped the 802 for in favor if the #5 than the other way around. This seems to be a hot button issue for many people, my opinion is driven by price and operation. I am enclosing a copy of a letter I wrote to Rusty Wstermeier, of S Gaugian fame, in Feb of 2002. Rusty, I'm hi-rail, run on AM .148" track and switches, using a variety of equipment from ACG AF, AM & SHS. I am new to the world of Kadee, did a lot of research, read through the archives on the S scale mailing list, wrote letters, talked to Kadee themselves. What I got was as varied as the people I asked. But after doing some experiments, trail by error this is what I got: Scale size: the #5 series is a lot closer to scale then the 802's. #5's are only off in the vertical direction in S scale, 10" instead of 11". What is that? 1/64"!! From two feet away you can't tell the difference. The 802 by contrast is not on in any dimension, is really a 3/4 size coupler for 0n3, not S. Operation: I slap #5's right onto SHS & AM freight cars, no shims, no alterations-- leave the trip wire alone. The mounting hole on SHS cars is in the right place, I just ream it out to take a 2-56 screw which is the center hole of the #5 draft gear box. The #321 between the track uncoupling magnet must be shimmed up .03" to work. However, I have had no luck with the delayed action feature of the #5 with the 321. So, I tried a #308 under the track magnet and it works perfectly. 308's are 3/16" thick which is the same as the cork roadbed I use. I have installed #5's or some other member of their family on AM Budd cars, 85' streamliners, their heavyweights and miscellaneous freight cars, also the AM GG1. I think freight cars is all I've tried from SHS. The most fun I've had is installing Kadees on an AF K5, front and back. I drilled out a repo pilot and used a #49 long shank overset. This engine is really cool. I put them to the "pulling test" by putting #5's on one end each of SHS 40' stockcars coupling them between an AM K4 and 4 Budd cars ( these things weigh over a pound each and have a lot of drag because to their pickup shoes), 5 85' streamliners, 4 AM heavyweights, seems like I had something else in there but I don't remember now. I ran this consist full speed, flipped the DPDT switch (I run DC) to reverse, back and forth many times and could not get the #5's to break or uncouple. The #5's & #40's are metal while the #20's & #30's are plastic. I have yet to break a #5 no matter how abusive I am to them. Close coupling: I checked in Model Railroader and a #5 put right to the hole provided on SHS & AM cars is dead on. #5's are the same spacing as the AM dummy coupler on the streamliners and I used a long shank on the Budd cars, again, the same as the close coupling they came with. #5's are right for the GG1 also. I have seen 802's on the AM streamliners and they coupled so far apart it looked worse then a link to knuckle conversion on an AF passenger cars. Cost: Need I say anything? $5.75 a pack for 802's--2 pair. #5's are $1.70 for the same thing. The #49's & #46's are $2.25 for 2 pair. This is from Trainworld, Jan 15, 2002. I don't know much about the scale world, I don't know much about Kadees. I live out in the woods of Maine, so I don't get to see many people in S, let alone people using Kadees. This has been my experience, I only started Kadees in Jan. Still, at this point, I cannot figure how the 802 myth got started. They are even more complex to put together then the #5 ( I did buy a pack just to see them, I opened the pack looked at the 802's and closed the pack back up, no way ). Now a question for you: Kadee sent me a length of their trip wire so I could try to replace the original with a longer. No problem getting them a part, but the knuckle does not want to grip the replacement wire. I can see that if I had some funny pliers, I could pinch the split ring of the knuckle. But I don't. This was before I discovered the 308 magnet and I was thinking, oh boy this is going to be fun. Anyway, it is not a friction fit, any suggestions? I know I'm in the minority with this #5 thing. I was looking for some cheap, remote operation with the .148 track, If I was using AF or Gragraves I would be using AF uncouplers, but I'm not. Let me know what you think, Tom Stoltz, NASG Since I wrote this letter, SHS has come out with their S scale coupler. I have no experience with them nor have I even seen them, so I am making no statement on the SHS coupler. I could be wrong, but I think if you go to the S-Scale@yahoogroups.com list you will find #5's to be what most S scalers use. I am not scale, I am Hi-rail/Flyer. This is only my 2¢ worth. Flamethrowers, please be gentle. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33533	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Merry christmas

Hope all of you had a good yesterday and your New Year will be just as good.My nephew loved the 4 by 8 layout I built for him for Christmas.I will post pictures when I get the film developed and yes it is one of my old American flyer trains and plasticville. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33534	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story

Just to add kudo's: A simple thing like the 2005 catalog not arriving had Don and Robin's attention. Once they knew we hadn't received it, they immediately sent another one! Subject: Re: Don Thmpson Story I just want to "Second" what Dwight says about Don Thompson and S-Helper Trains, on two occassions I had question or problems and Don was there stood behind his product and came thru with complete "Super" Satisfaction! This is a company with Escalade" service! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33535	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 26, 2004 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33536	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 12/26/2004
Subject: Christmas photos

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. This was our first time with Flyer running under the tree since the early 50's. Had a great time. We also have three 4 by 8's in the basement but under the tree is just different. Hope to see more Christmas pictures posted. Flyerbuddy 21 degrees in southern pa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33537	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Chat 'till you drop!

I guess I was in the Sunday chat session too long. It quit working in the middle of a conversation between ironhorse and I! Well, it WAS almost 1 am EST! Time flies when you're having fun! If you haven't tried it, tune in next Sunday nite! Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33538	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: Christmas photos

They're on another site, but I've been reloading Christmas layout pix there since, uh, early November. Go to: http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php? t=267&page=1&pp=10 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33539	From: Randy Burton	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Merry Christmas

Santa obviously knows what he is doing when it comes to model RR gifts. Between my birthday (Christas Eve), and presents on Christmas day, I added several new items to my S collection. This included a Sante Fe walking breakman car (Flyonel), a Moe & Joe operating lumber car (Flyonel), a baggage smasher (also Flyonel), another infrared control for my layout, an SHS Rudolf Christmas boxcar. I also bought the AF Naughty and Nice hopper set back in November for my layout under the Christmas tree. The Rudolf boxcar has been added to the consist there too. (Seems like Santa and Doug Peck know each other..... thanks Doug!) How about the rest of you? Did Santa bring some S goodies to you too? Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Randy Burton BurtonRA@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33540	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: Flyonel 's new Steam Enginne "mikado"

Two weeks back word came across that "they" the Mikados have arrived, my supplier, indicated today that they have not received or have received any word as to when they will be in. Can anyone update the status of this engine? Jerry Matsick Jax Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33541	From: hspanier2000	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: "e-Train" TCA Online Magazine // Winter Edition

Certainly worth a moment is your taking a look at the TCA's electronic magazine, "e-Train".. It comes out 4 times per year: Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Online for several years "e-Train" has had some very interesting and informative articles. Take a look: "e Train" The Online Magazine of the TCA ( http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/issues/deccover2004.html ) "e-Train" is also looking for your articles for the Spring Issue. You need not be a TCA member to participate in this online magazine. Several ideas: 1) Do you have a year 'round layout? Submit images and an article to Bob Mintz and I will do a feature on you. 2) Member of a Club? Why not publicize it with a photo review and a compilation of your club cars such as what we did this issue. 3) Discovered a piece that is not listed in the Greenberg or McComas guides? Share it with your fellow train collectors. 4) Tell us about your first set that you ever received. 5) Have a collection of somekind, like animated gondolas for instance. Let's do some research together and fill in the missing pieces. 6) Special issue JC Penny or uncataloged. How many have been offered? Address questions or articles to: Bob Mintz Editor-e*Train Email: RIMBOB@... A Happy & Healthy New Year to All! Mike Spanier TCA Internet Committee Member

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33542	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: My cover is blown!

Last night on the S-Trains chat, some folks who are also on the On30 list told everyone about the "other" mrstumpy...The one who's been doing micro layouts, scratchbuilding, and kitbashing. So I've put a few pix in the Photos section in the STUMPY'S STUFF location. There's the latest On30 micro and a Semi Streamlined Pacific made out of Flyer junkers and parts. Enjoy. Stumpy Stone...the modeler the rivet counters warned you about...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33543	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Re: "e-Train" TCA Online Magazine // Winter Edition

In a message dated 12/27/2004 2:03:14 PM Central Standard Time, Flyvw64 writes: Not worth it group. Never anything about S gauge. Dont waste your time. Could be if you would put something together. Don't you think so? Season's Best, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33544	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: Post your S Scale photos

Hi Folks Here is a place to promote S Scale http://www.myrrlayout.com/R/Aspfiles/indexmodelr.asp Post photos of your layout free. Every little bit helps. John Foley NASG PROMOTIONS www.nasg.org NASG, NMRA,TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33545	From: Bradley	Date: 12/27/2004
Subject: All Aboard Christmas Layout

Just posted some pictures of my small All Aboard Christmas layout at www.allaboardsets.com/2004.html Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and got lots of trains!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33546	From: Franklin Baker	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: The "Winner" Trains

I got no responses to this email??? Does this mean no one has heard of these before, extremely rare and worth $$billions or that since it is Lionel and not "S" I am being duly ignored? Happy New Year! Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:00:41 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Baker <effdbee@...> Subject: The "Winner" Toy Train I have an old switcher loco stamped "The Winner Toy Corp" "New York, USA" from my grandfather I got along with my AF. I understand it was made by Lionel in 1930-32. That's all I could find on the web about these and not much is for sale on Ebay. Can anyone point me to more info on this product so I can decide whether to sell it or try to build a layout for it? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Miikados

Well....I can assure you they have arrived. We've got the first batch of ours (about 3/4 of our order....the rest will follow). Two possibilities.... (1) For whatever reason, distributors' shipments are not all arriving at the same time, and therefore their dealers are not getting their shipments all at the same time. (2) Certain dealers and/or distributors shipments are being held back (or worse yet, cancelled) by Lionel due to overdue bills. I know this is a fact, because I have been able to pick up some last-minute additional product that had been pre-ordered by others, but Lionel cancelled their orders and released the product to others. Hopefully, for your sake, #1 is the case and not #2 ! Good luck, and Happy New Year to all...... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33548	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: The "Winner" Trains

Frank, It probably means that almost nobody on the S list knows anything about Lionel O gauge, I know I don't... I would try another mailing list, "toytrains" which is also a Yahoo group and full of Lionel / TCA guys... Good Luck... Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Franklin Baker wrote: >I got no responses to this email??? Does this mean no one has heard of these before, extremely rare and worth $$billions or that since it is Lionel and not "S" I am being duly ignored? > >Happy New Year! > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33549	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2513

Santa came on Christmas eve, left a # 1272 Rock Island Geep, Unfortunately the caboose must have been lost in the shuffle of delivering gifts all thru the night, IF any one receiver a Rock Island caboose from Santa by mistake it is mine. OR if some one has an extra one that they are willing to part with contact me off line with price and details. Thanks Jerry 77-11644 grdobbs@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33550	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Winner Toys

I deleted the message inquiring about the Winner toy trains, but if the person is monitoring, check out about the 5th paragraph at http://greennature.com/auctionaid/archives/121_A_History_of_Lionel_Trains.html Seems Lionel marketed trains under that brand in the early 30s. Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33551	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/28/2004
Subject: Re: Looking for AF item

Help - I am looking for a Sante Fe PA1 - in the freight diesel colors of blue/Yellow? Any help in finding a set greatly appreciated. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33552	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Re: Mikados

I've already had three individuals ask me for my opinion of the new Mikado, so here's my VERY preliminary, cursory thoughts..... First reaction after unpacking one and running it around a loop (SHS track).....runs fine.....tracks well.....looks GREAT......good sound system, although I suspect it is far more impressive when operated with TMCC (which I don't have hooked up at this time). "Cab talk" is certainly a nice new feature for S. Smoke unit can be easily turned on/off (switch behind the boiler front, which is hinged). Power pickup is from the engine itself; tender contains only the sound unit, so no wiring between engine and tender. Well-packaged, but be careful if you remove it and try to put it back in its styrofoam case.....it only fits one way, and if you reverse it, you can easily damage some fragile parts! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33553	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Re: Mikados

Did you acquire one for me yet? Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33554	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Christmas Layout in Store

I had some e-mails asking for some pictures of the store Christmas Layout. This URL should lead you to the photo album. I hope you enjoy them. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33555	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: B&O Capital Dome Logo

I never knew how the B&O Capital Dome logo came about, but I think I finally figure it out this month,, after 49.9 years of life. O:)! Anyone what to take a guess at this? For years, on the Capital Beltway and I-270 (old 70-S!) there were two B&O bridges that had this logo for years till CSX covered them up. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33556	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Christmas Layout in Store

Let me try this again. The URL Is the one here and not the Elizabeth Station Web address. Sorry for not including the correct URL http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?.dir=/Elizabeth+Station+Toy+ Trains&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Christmas Layout in Store

See if THIS one works! Rick. http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/strains/lst?.dir=/Elizabeth+Station+Toy+Trains&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33558	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/29/2004
Subject: NYC Mikado

OK Guys and Gals. Here it is... http://www.tuveson.com/MYC-Mikado/NYC-Mikad01.htm All I can say is it is TOTALLY AWSOME! I will post a review soon. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33559	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Bell Danger Signal

Greetings! Back to work on the BDS, one last question, I hope! The bell now has a pretty good ring ... I can hear it above the choo choo! But, when the house and roof are installed, there is clearence ... with the house tabs setting on the platform I can maintain the ring. Putting the tabs in the slots, I loose the ring. As the platform serves as a ground (?), and the tabs have lost some of their paint and perhaps insulation, does it make sense to try to insulate the tabs in some way? Something I could apply that wound not scrape off when putting the tabs in the platform? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Best wishes! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33560	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado / Southern 4501

I agree it looks awesome. And wow, even, more exciting would be Lionel Southernizing this loco for the 4501 in its excursion paint scheme. That would convert some folks to S gauge for sure. - Earl Henry, Jr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33561	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Winner Brand

Franklin, As has been said, few on this list are up on O prewar stuff. I do, however remember reading about the Winner line, I believe it was a low-cost entry level line that L tried out for a while. The reference books I could look at to figure it out are still in boxes in storage! Sorry 'bout that! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33562	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Starting a layout

Hi Everybody: I hope & wish that everyone had a warm & merry Christmas. Happy New Year! I've built tables as modules and now am preparing to put a base before laying track. Talk on this site includes homosote, wall insulation, plaster on wire, etc: I would appreciate recommendations about what would be best for modules, and as a starting base. Thank you for your consideration. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33563	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Winner Lines

As paraprashed from The American Toy Train by Gerry and Janet Souter: Cowen introduced the Winner Company around 1930. It was based on the low end Ives wind-up sets. The low price set had a stream-lined locomotive, three passenger cars, a circle of O-gauge 3-rail track and a transformer hidden in a lithographed tin train station with a removable roof all for $3.25. The most expensive set included three lithographed freight cars, the locomotive, a caboose and the tin station transformer for $5.50. The Winner Company was scrapped in 1933. A nice photo of the most expensive set is shown on page 68. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33564	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Starting a layout

Hi Bill: All i've built lately, i.e. in the last 40 years, are modules used for our club layout. For what purpose are your modules being used? My modules are transported to GATS and other types of shows and set up for a weekend of train running for the public. This type of module must be rugged and reasonably light. The ends must especially be able to take abuse. Sound deadening for modules used at a show is irrelevant as the show is incredibly noisy all by itself. If your modules are being used at home, then any of the sound deadening materials mentioned will be useful. You will enjoy having a sound deadened layout at home. With out it, about all you'll hear is the reverberation of the train rolling over the rails instead of that wonderful "CHoo-choo". Which type you use is dependent in part on the type of track you are going to use. From what I have read homosote holds "tacks" better than insulation so it sounds like it may be a better choice for hand laid track. Insulation seems to work well for track systems that are glued down to the substrate. I've seen folks use anything from elmers to liquid nails to glue their track and roadbed down. There is a good bit of information on the web about laying track. Don't limit yourself to S-gauge info. In any scale, the problem is basically the same so look around and pick the system that seems to suit your abilities and "look" you are after. Have fun, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33565	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re;Starting a layout

Noise is a factor you'll want to consider. Very hard track bases (like plywood) will tend to resonate the sound of larger and heavier "toy" trains. Many folks see this noise as annoying, but I know of at least one guy in HO scale that cut notches into his rails 30 scale feet apart to get the clickety clack sound. For less noise, I use extruded styrofoam (the building insulation, not "beadboard")as a base. It's easy to work and any extra cut offs can be used in scenery work. Cork roadbed will also help deaden noise and give a shape to ballast under the track. Before cork roadbed we used to cut slices of tile or linoleum to put under the track to deaden sound. Just my 2 cents... Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33566	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: a GREAT night of running trains

Hi All, What could be better then running my ABA set of E7 done up as 5900a, 5900b and 5901a with a long line of head end cars? Having the whole train passed by a M1 with a long string of hoppers filled with real coal! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/E7_running.jpg The background has been changed in Photoshop until real one gets installed. Thank You, Bill Lane Custom Brass Painting http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com Production models of the REA Version have arrived Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33567	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: B&O Flyonel

While picking up my S Gaugian today at our local un-friendly to S train store I noticed she had the new Mikado for sale. She only will carry Flyonel S and when someone is desperate for cash she will buy Gilbert Flyer at .10 cents on the dollar Anyway I noticed there were four streamline passenger cars in the B&O livery on another shelf. These were the set from Lionel and she won't sell them seperate. I didn't realize Lionel was producing a set to go with the Mikado's. There is no cars for the NYC Mikado. The B&O set was priced at $799.99. Is there anyway to purchase just the passenger cars? They would look good behind my B&O A-B-A. Ed in 79 degree Florida PS Contacted Lionel and they won't sell them either. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33568	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: B&O passenger cars

Hope this doesn't repeat itself but my 1st post didn't seem to get to S-trains.Does anyone know or have available the 4 B&O passenger cars Lionel is making with their new B&O Mikado? Local train store won't separate, neither will Lionel. Just want the cars not the engine. Thanks in advance Ed in very warm Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: Re;Starting a layout

As most know, my layout is VERRRRRY small!!! It used to be just Flyer track on plywood......the noise for sure resonated (SP?) through the track and through the board......it was noisey........but I was amazed how quiet it was after I added Flyer rubber roadbed. Rick "It's rainin' cats & dogs here" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33570	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re.Winner brand

I remember something about American Flyer (Chicago) selling"Hummer"trains about the same time as L's Winner line.Hmmm let's see,L owns Flyer name,trademarks etc.maybe they can sue GM over use of Hummer name.Might help pay for the MTH suit. Happy New Year to all Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33571	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/30/2004
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] a GREAT night of running trains

On Thursday, December 30, 2004, at 09:31 PM, John O wrote: > > Great pix, Bill! > > One small point, though. What is shown is a "meet". For one train to > "pass" another; they both need to be traveling the same direction. > > I'd love to see more. > > John O. > Bill Lane <billlane@...> wrote: On the RRs I worked for there was no such thing as a pass. There was a meet when two trains from two directions would meet. One would take a siding and the other one would go by. Then there was the run around. Two trains same direction. The first one would take a siding and the other one would run around him. But in both examples you would use a passing track. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... There are many things to be thankful for but the one that stands out the most is "wrinkles" do not hurt.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33572	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: ONLY A FEW HOURS TO GO....!!!!!!!

SOOOOooo IT MEANS ITS TIME AGAIN FOR THE "RICK AND ED SHOW" SO ..TUNE IN TURN ON TURN OUT ..FOR THE PARTY THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN YOUR VERY OWN CHAT ROOM STARTING AT 7 PM PACIFIC TIME FOR A FREE FOR ALL CHAT FOR ALL YOU THAT HAVE NOTHING SPECIAL PLANNED FOR RINGING IN THE NEW YEAR 2005..BYOB..POUR YOURSELF A TALL GLASS OF YOUR FAVORITE BUBBLY AND SNORT SOME 'SMOKE FLUID...'Eh'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33573	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: B&O Flyonel

Ed, There is a two-car add-on for the B & O set, you may be able to find it, although I understand this set has been sold out for a year! (still waiting for mine!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33574	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: K335

As many of you may remember, I am restoring a K335 engine. Since all the wiring had been removed, a lot of you sent me drawings or pictures of how to wire it back. However, the magnetic assembly had the wiring broken off & in attempt to get the engine running again, I took the assembly off an Atlantic. It now runs, but it does not have the power it should have to run the orginal set of cars it came with from the factory. Although the magnetic assembly fits & does work off the Atlantic, I assume the larger K335 took more wire on the coil? If this is correct, does anyone have a correct assembly they would be willing to sell? You can email me off-line. Have a great New Years! Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33575	From: jmatsick	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado

Just to satisfy my interest, how many out their have theirs or have ordered one these new super engines? I have. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33576	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Happy New Year 2005

Happy New Year 2005 Happy New Year to all you S Gaugers. 2004 was great for S and 2005 looks even BETTER! Stay on Track. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/7d53&.dnm=0525.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=phwzCTCB_.pnZzfW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33577	From: bruce weidner	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado

I ordered a B&O set and the two extra cars from Leventons hobby. I have not heard a thing as to when they will show up. I called once and e-mailed but got no responce. I have ordered from them before and had no problem. Has anyone else ordered from Leventon? I heard about the tmcc on this engine, Ihave seen the videos for both tmcc and MTH's comand control I have not used either one but from the videos I like MTH better it will run tmcc but tmcc will not run an MTH. Now if only we could get MTH to reproduce some S or even to do new products in S that would be great. --- jmatsick <jmatsick@...> wrote: > > > > Just to satisfy my interest, how many out their have > theirs or have > ordered one these new super engines? I have. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33578	From: branforddinerguy	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: track laying help

Greetings and Happy New Year from Branford CT! Ive been eaves dropping on this site (thanks for all the great ideas) for sometime and figured it was time to particpate - albeit asking for help. Am converting a modest hi rail layout from Flyer Switches/Gargraves to American Models track. I really like the track and find everything runs much smoother and reliably. Although Ive been playing with my old flyer stuff for years now, really never put much time into a really well done layout. Benchwork is built - around the room with a 6x14 peninusula in the middle. Used 1/2 ply with 1/2 foam subbase. Using Woodlands Scenic stuff for risers etc. Easier than carpentry for a non carpenter like me! Some novice questions - Best way to keep parallel track nice and straight? Best way to keep curves evenly spaced? When using turnouts as crossover, easiest and simplest way to wire - should I isolate one rail similar to a flyer switch? Any suggested ways to bend to a custom radius? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33579	From: Al Kielek	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado

Hi Jerry! I have one on order thru our local train shop(Trains and Such). I think they order it thru Walthers. Living in Canada, I might have to wait another week. I did see the prototype at York in April....Yes it is a beauty! Happy New Year! S gaugers....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmatsick" <jmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel American Flyer - Mikado > > > > Just to satisfy my interest, how many out their have theirs or have > ordered one these new super engines? I have. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33580	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: K335

Mike, I checked the K-Line reference manual and it shows the part to be #XA12A526. The details of rewinding this magnet assembly (field) are contained in Robert Hannon's book "AC Gilbert's Postwar American Flyer S-Gauge Reference Manual," where it is referred to as "The Super Field." Comparing it to an Atlantic magnet assembly, it actually has fewer turns, (140-150 turns as opposed to 187-206 turns for the XA9547 used on the Atlantic and other steamers. The difference is in the gauge of the wire. (22 for the Super Field and 24 for the regular field) The core is also thicker on the Super Field. I think the manual is still available. Never having attempted rewinding myself, I can't say how difficult this is, but I believe that there are several sources of rewinding services. I think Bob Hannon does it and he gives an email in the book of hannon@.... You might want to contact him. Good Luck on your project. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <ruth.leahy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K335 > > > As many of you may remember, I am restoring a K335 engine. Since all the > wiring had been removed, a lot of you sent me drawings or pictures of how > to > wire it back. However, the magnetic assembly had the wiring broken off & > in > attempt to get the engine running again, I took the assembly off an > Atlantic. > It now runs, but it does not have the power it should have to run the > orginal > set of cars it came with from the factory. Although the magnetic assembly > fits > & does work off the Atlantic, I assume the larger K335 took more wire on > the > coil? If this is correct, does anyone have a correct assembly they would > be > willing to sell? You can email me off-line. > > Have a great New Years! > > Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33581	From: Phil K	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Re: track laying help

Here we go, one guy's opinions: >Best way to keep parallel track nice and straight? I used a line-throwing laser -- bought it at Home Depot for about $29. And to get perfectly straight flex-track, I made a straight 7/8- inch-wide stick 36 inches long (by 3/4-inch thick) with a tapered end to slide between flex-track rails to get perfectly straight rails on long runs. > Best way to keep curves evenly spaced? Make templates of cardboard or wood. I use American Models track and have three mains running alongside each other. AM track is designed to be placed with 3-inch centers, and therefore each rail should be 3 inches from the corresponding rail next to it (outside-to-outside, or inside-to-inside). AM switches are designed to fit this setup perfectly when used for making crossovers. And the three curves (21- inch radius, 24-inch and 27-inch) will automatically be properly spaced if you run the straights on those 3-inch centers and accurately assemble the curves. I have some early in-progress pics of this track laying at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 > When using turnouts as crossover, easiest and simplest way to wire - should I isolate one rail similar to a flyer switch? Yes. AM turnouts are "hot" both ways all the time, so if you want separate mains, you'll have big problems if you don't isolate at crossovers. To cut down on wiring, I use a common "ground" to all mains and phase my transformers -- a trio of 30Bs to run four separate mains. Atlas makes a plastic O-27 insulated track connector that works perfect to connect and insulate AM rails between blocks or to separate mains on crossovers. Just put one between the two turnouts (switches) on each crossover on the "hot" rails (connected to the variable output posts). With a common "ground" to all mains you only need to isolate each individual main from the others at the crossovers. You'll then need only to adjust both transformers to approximately the same variable post output when moving a locomotive through the crossovers. But make sure you properly phase your transformers! > Any suggested ways to bend to a custom radius? Carefully.;-) There are a few tricks to using flex-track, but once you start doing it, they're easy to learn. I also use 1/2-inch rail spikes to hold custom curves in place -- I have a homosote top over plywood and just push them in with a pair of needlenose pliers. You can even spike as you go, bending s-l-o-w-l-y! I'll try to post a few more updated pics in the next couple days. Have fun, Phil K ***************************************************************** -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "branforddinerguy" <branforddinerguy@y...> wrote: > > > Greetings and Happy New Year from Branford CT! > > Ive been eaves dropping on this site (thanks for all the great ideas) > for sometime and figured it was time to particpate - albeit asking > for help. > > Am converting a modest hi rail layout from Flyer Switches/Gargraves > to American Models track. I really like the track and find > everything runs much smoother and reliably. > > Although Ive been playing with my old flyer stuff for years now, > really never put much time into a really > well done layout. Benchwork is built - around the room with a 6x14 > peninusula in the middle. Used 1/2 ply with 1/2 foam subbase. > Using Woodlands Scenic stuff for risers etc. Easier than carpentry > for a non carpenter like me! > > Some novice questions - > > > Best way to keep parallel track nice and straight? > Best way to keep curves evenly spaced? > When using turnouts as crossover, easiest and simplest way to wire - > should I isolate one rail similar to a flyer switch? > Any suggested ways to bend to a custom radius? > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33582	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33583	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/31/2004
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] K335

This went to me directly only, so I forward it on for Mike and the others. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: FEZANDPAZ@... To: dfsmith26@... Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K335 You can re-solder a lead to the broken armature wire, and also splice a piece in. You will have to scrape the varnish off the armature wire to solder it. And then insulate the solder joint when finished[electric tape will work in some cases or a little two part epoxy that can stand a little heat will do].Home Depot has lots of epoxies to select from. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]